November 17, 2025 • 16 mins
Guest Host Richard Syrett and Author Graham Philips discuss the original zodiac signs based on clay tablets found at Göbekli Tepe, located in Upper Mesopotamia, in modern southeastern Turkey. Graham used A.I. to analyze information of celebrities and matched them to the zodiac signs.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We're back with Graham Phillips. The new book is The
Original Zodiac What Ancient Astrology reveals about you. And we're
talking about a zodiac that goes back to Mesopotamia, ancient
Mesopotamia with eighteen signs, not twelve eighteen. And Graham, we
(00:25):
were talking before the break. You utilized AI to conduct
a comprehensive personality survey. You chose celebrities because obviously they
have an online profile, and you were trying to determine
what traits might be shared by those born in each
sign of the original zodiac. You know, their likes, their dislikes,
(00:50):
their habits, their employment, health information, any pertinent aspects of
their lives and identities. What did you find? So, for example,
let's start with the zodiac sign the spike, and you
mentioned a great actor, Gary Aldham. All of them it
was born under the sign of a spider. Tell me
more about that.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, the thing about the spider is you can see
which What I found was fascinating is I gradually did
this was how many attributes of the people who were
born at that time seem to tie up with a spider,
or at least why you would see why the ancients
might decide to use a spider as the symbol for
(01:30):
people who actually were born at that time and they
had spiderlight characteristics as they saw them. For example, the
spider is a solitary creature, unlike say, insects like bees
and termites and wasps, they don't live in big communities.
They use did a solitary creature. So I found that
(01:53):
people who were born in that particular sign, and incidentally,
it goes from March twenty first April ninth, they tended
to be. It wasn't that they were solitary, and they were.
Some of them in some cases might prefer to spend
more time alone, but a lot of them worked better alone.
(02:14):
They could perform or work with others, but they did
their best work and planning when alone undisturbed a lot
of them. Incidentally, I found, and when I was checking
people who are famous, that that the actual online the
AI survey came up with. I then checked it against
and started doing some surveys of people I knew and
(02:35):
met people who weren't famous, and found that some of
these characteristics tied with them too, and this sort of
a lot of them said, no, when I work best,
I don't have music on, I don't talk to other people.
I need to do it alone, and far more so
than other signs I found. So there's one aspect. Another
(02:56):
thing about the spider is that it's a a a
current strange creature, and it seems to be or at
least would have done to the people of the past,
as creative. It makes webs, and there's so many different
types of webs that spiders, different types of spiders make.
They're crafty, they're clever, they're cunning and creative. So I
(03:17):
found that it was strange how many creative people, particularly
quite you know, exceptionally creative people, were born in the
sign of the spider. So that's how that one went.
I mean here, just I mean, we've got we've got
Russell Crowe, Eddie Murphy, Lady Gaga, Diana. They all seem
(03:38):
to be performers of different types, and of course you
mentioned Gary Oldman, and they are people who bear quite
a lot of aspects in common with a spider in
as much as a symbolic form.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Give us another ancient astrological sign. In some of its
characteristics and then who and who was born under that sign.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Okay, here we go, let's go for the swan. That's
when we don't get in the modern zodiac. Now, the swan.
I've chosen that one because that's when I'm born in
thirty first of August, which is my birthdaid up to
the twentieth of September. Now that is kind of Virgo
e librari sort of era in the period in a
(04:21):
zodiac today. The ancient Mesopotamians considered swans to be the
spirit of water more than any other waterfowl, and they
were the guardians of springs, wells, waterfalls. And it's this
guardian aspect that they probably used as one of the
(04:42):
things to choose. Why swans would represent people born at
that time, because people born at that time are quite protective.
They're more protective of other people than say, other signs.
I mean, okay, everyone's protective of their family and close friends,
but they tend to have a protective instinct towards other
people that they meet. One the interesting thing about the
(05:06):
swan is that it is an animal that is graceful
in the water and in flight, but it waddles around
on the land. It is not a land animal at all.
And so I found that people who were born in
that sign tended to be the sort of people that
until they got until they got airbornes, until they got
(05:28):
out on the water, until they got going with a project,
they'd be rather cumbersome at first and tended to need
a lot of help. That's me, you know, that's absolutely
what I'm like. But once I've got going on something,
I mean, I can go into periods of what I
don't want to do? How would that work? Not because
I don't I can't actually get myself to start working
(05:50):
on it. It's just that the ideas don't come. But
if somebody else helps me out start something, or I
suddenly see something in the news and that gives me
an idea time airborne as it were, you know, I'm fine,
I'm great at it. And I mean some famous people
born under the Swan sign, Okay, Marco Polo, a great explorer.
(06:12):
It actually took him five years to actually leave his
house before he started that trip all the way from
Europe and being refers to European for sort of like
millennia to reach China. You've got Agatha Christie, you know,
a really great crime writer, mystery writer. She used to
(06:33):
every time she got a new book going, she almost
before she got it going, and she finished one of
her books, she said, I'm giving up. I can't come
up with any ideas. And it usually took somebody, a
friend or a member of the family to suggest something
or just say something in conversation that gave her the idea,
and once that happened, it flowed. So that's the Swan
(06:53):
for you.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Ah, all right, now, if you'll permit me to be
a little self indulgent, what about I was born January twelve?
What sign is that? According to the You.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Weary twelve you are a a fish. It's sort of
in the right rough area of sort of where Pieces was,
and you can see why perhaps later on if prices
in that area. I don't know, Actually, I'm just I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Not sure I would be a Capricorn. I'm a capricorn
according to the old.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Okay, right, but this is a single fish, not like
two fish like pieces, And no that I think that's
somewhere else in the calendar. Anyway, I've spent so much
time investigating the eighteen design that I've almost forgotten what
the original twelve which the Greek twelve ones were. But anyway,
what basically one of the most defining traits of the
(07:53):
fish is an empathy. Now we'd say, well, why would
have a fish be associated with empathy? That in other words,
I'm not just talking about somebody being necessarily share feelings
with other but empathic in the way that they may
be almost sometimes people would say they're telepathic. They're very
(08:13):
good at reading situations. Now quite why, you know, they
go into a room, if they meet somebody they feel
there's something wrong with them. They're invariably right that, yet
that would that person may not be best for them.
They're very they're empathic. And you'd say, well, why why
would be a why a fish would be chosen? Because
(08:34):
we know from Babylonian records that the fish was considered
to be a sign of mystical power, as a sign
of telepathy, or they didn't call it that. And I
don't know if you remember, I mean, you're probably not
old enough, but we used to have fish that you
put on the hand on the like a little paper fish.
(08:55):
You put it on the partment with your hand and
it curled up. Now it's like I think, so yeah, yeah,
and depending on which way it curled off. It's obviously
your heat from your hand doing it with this kind
of paper stuff. If it curled up one way sign,
it meant one way. Where that goes back to ancient Babylon.
They were making these things out of leaves because the
(09:18):
fish was considered to be something that told fortunes. So
basically you're talking about empathic people, people who could even
be considered psychic. Here's some famous people people. There's also
another thing about them when they actually get when they
do something, they do it in a way which is
(09:39):
very different to others, and they tend to find that
people around them will say, nah, that's that's never going
to work, but they go on and it works. Stanley,
there's somebody who's born under the fish sign. He came
up and created the Marvel comics. When he started doing this,
they are said, now you've got no chance. D C
(10:01):
Comics have got it tied down, so forget it and
go home. But became even bigger.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Interesting and.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Stephen Hawking and Elvis Presley, I'm humble truck driver.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
The empathy, I don't know. I mean, I feel a
great deal of empathy. It's sometimes to the point where
I almost feel responsible for other people's feelings, which is
not a good thing necessarily. But I don't know about
being telepathic or psychic. But the other the other aspect
of that certainly is me. People will say, why are
you doing it that way? That's not going to work well.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
When I say telepathy, I mean they considered it telepathy
in the past, perhaps, but I mean it's more. People
are able to pick up visual cues off people psychologically.
You know, they look, people give things away, like the
tell that people are playing poker. You know, they have
to sort of you know, you twitch your eye when
you're lying or something. They're very good at picking that
(11:00):
sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Up, right, right. So with the ancient Greeks, and there
are there astrological signs, I mean they talked about that,
you know, a lot of their mathematicians were astrologers, and
they talked about the the the what do they call it,
the radiation of the spheres or the radionics of the spheres.
They believed, I guess the kind of like cosmic radiation
(11:21):
was influencing people. What is the what do you think
is the biological mechanism behind this original zodiac? Why does it,
why does it seem to work?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Well, this is the interesting thing. I mean, astrologers for
down the ages have said, you know, we know, I mean,
there's obviously different types of strategy that this is called
native astrology. Basically when you're born and what stars areware
and you know, influences your personality and characteristics. Now, this
particular one, because we only know so little about it
(11:53):
at the moment, we can only talk about sun signs.
But to astrologers, where the moon happens to fall when
you're born, and where the planets are they're all so significant.
But we don't know how these ancients work that one out.
But the sun sign, obviously, for astrologers from the Greek times,
it was considered a major important thing for how to
(12:15):
signs that you can see about what people were like
rather than what was going to happen to them and
if they were going to be lucky on that day.
And that's the kind of astrology that predicts what's going
to happen next. Again, that's something we're not yet able
to work out from the discovery so far at go
Begleispi or more recent texts from Babylon and so forth.
(12:38):
But they could be found. So we're just going to
talking not about whether the you know, where the planets
are going to influence future events, just about the sun,
where it happens to be in the zodiac when you're born,
and if it can affect your personality. Now, on that point,
skeptic scientists have Lung said, I can't work These stars
(13:00):
are so far away, you know, light years ago, they
can't be affect It's not going to matter where they
happened to be when you were born. But they're looking
at it the wrong way. As I'd mentioned before, the
ancients when they worked out what star signs were, they
named that particular area of sky where the sun was
at that time of the year after the characteristics that
(13:23):
people had, not the other way around. Now, if you
look at it that way, there has been scientific research
done for other reasons not looking into astrology, but that
comes out with information that says, wow, that means that
some kind of native astrology when you're born could really
affect you. Now, back in twenty twenty one in Israel,
(13:47):
there was a there was a lot of research done
by scientists to try and find out what different hormones
the body secrety what different changes physiological changes happened to
humans throughout the year. Now we know that all animals
are affected by the seasons. They have to hibernate at
certain times, they have to reproduce at certain times to
(14:11):
be more effective. They and then stay with plants and
anything trees shed their leaves. Now, it's this research showed
so many different hormonal changes in humans that basically seemed
to go way back to when we were literally living
in the wild and we had to survive with nature.
(14:33):
We had to be prepared for different seasons and different
types of fruits on the trees and when there wasn't
fruit and so on, and that meant there was these
hormonal changes. And now this research suggested that pregnant women
during periods of time. Somebody who's pregnant for nine months
they starting at Christmas Day, are going to have different
(14:56):
hormone changes during that time to somebody who say, is
pregnant from Midsummer's Day for nine months.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
In other words, the time of year affects the chemistry,
which affects fetal development.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
That's it. So there is possible evidence that it works.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
But again it's what's happening environmentally here on Earth during
the seasons, which is reflected by the procession of the
of the different constellations.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
It just so happens to coincide precisely. But the thing
about what I've done now, which is different. I'm not
gonna have a go at anybody else's zodix, you know,
or whether they still work or not. The Greek zodiac
isn't perhaps old enough to be that badly affected, but
a twelve thousand year olds odi act like this would be.
(15:45):
But remember I've done these signs interpret them now. I mean,
the signs were still in the same place. What I've
done is that somebody who's today born between March twenty
first and April ninth, they've got these characteristics. That's what
the research has been looking at people alive today, and
(16:06):
so that's why it might be perhaps more accurate.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Interesting. So personality shaped by genetics, an environment or timing
in the womb, which is again in line with the
various seasons again and then reflected in the heavens. Absolutely fascinating.
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
We're back with Graham Phillips. The new book is The
Original Zodiac What Ancient Astrology reveals about you. And we're
talking about a zodiac that goes back to Mesopotamia, ancient
Mesopotamia with eighteen signs, not twelve eighteen. And Graham, we
(00:25):
were talking before the break. You utilized AI to conduct
a comprehensive personality survey. You chose celebrities because obviously they
have an online profile, and you were trying to determine
what traits might be shared by those born in each
sign of the original zodiac. You know, their likes, their dislikes,
(00:50):
their habits, their employment, health information, any pertinent aspects of
their lives and identities. What did you find? So, for example,
let's start with the zodiac sign the spike, and you
mentioned a great actor, Gary Aldham. All of them it
was born under the sign of a spider. Tell me
more about that.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, the thing about the spider is you can see
which What I found was fascinating is I gradually did
this was how many attributes of the people who were
born at that time seem to tie up with a spider,
or at least why you would see why the ancients
might decide to use a spider as the symbol for
(01:30):
people who actually were born at that time and they
had spiderlight characteristics as they saw them. For example, the
spider is a solitary creature, unlike say, insects like bees
and termites and wasps, they don't live in big communities.
They use did a solitary creature. So I found that
(01:53):
people who were born in that particular sign, and incidentally,
it goes from March twenty first April ninth, they tended
to be. It wasn't that they were solitary, and they were.
Some of them in some cases might prefer to spend
more time alone, but a lot of them worked better alone.
(02:14):
They could perform or work with others, but they did
their best work and planning when alone undisturbed a lot
of them. Incidentally, I found, and when I was checking
people who are famous, that that the actual online the
AI survey came up with. I then checked it against
and started doing some surveys of people I knew and
(02:35):
met people who weren't famous, and found that some of
these characteristics tied with them too, and this sort of
a lot of them said, no, when I work best,
I don't have music on, I don't talk to other people.
I need to do it alone, and far more so
than other signs I found. So there's one aspect. Another
(02:56):
thing about the spider is that it's a a a
current strange creature, and it seems to be or at
least would have done to the people of the past,
as creative. It makes webs, and there's so many different
types of webs that spiders, different types of spiders make.
They're crafty, they're clever, they're cunning and creative. So I
(03:17):
found that it was strange how many creative people, particularly
quite you know, exceptionally creative people, were born in the
sign of the spider. So that's how that one went.
I mean here, just I mean, we've got we've got
Russell Crowe, Eddie Murphy, Lady Gaga, Diana. They all seem
(03:38):
to be performers of different types, and of course you
mentioned Gary Oldman, and they are people who bear quite
a lot of aspects in common with a spider in
as much as a symbolic form.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Give us another ancient astrological sign. In some of its
characteristics and then who and who was born under that sign.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Okay, here we go, let's go for the swan. That's
when we don't get in the modern zodiac. Now, the swan.
I've chosen that one because that's when I'm born in
thirty first of August, which is my birthdaid up to
the twentieth of September. Now that is kind of Virgo
e librari sort of era in the period in a
(04:21):
zodiac today. The ancient Mesopotamians considered swans to be the
spirit of water more than any other waterfowl, and they
were the guardians of springs, wells, waterfalls. And it's this
guardian aspect that they probably used as one of the
(04:42):
things to choose. Why swans would represent people born at
that time, because people born at that time are quite protective.
They're more protective of other people than say, other signs.
I mean, okay, everyone's protective of their family and close friends,
but they tend to have a protective instinct towards other
people that they meet. One the interesting thing about the
(05:06):
swan is that it is an animal that is graceful
in the water and in flight, but it waddles around
on the land. It is not a land animal at all.
And so I found that people who were born in
that sign tended to be the sort of people that
until they got until they got airbornes, until they got
(05:28):
out on the water, until they got going with a project,
they'd be rather cumbersome at first and tended to need
a lot of help. That's me, you know, that's absolutely
what I'm like. But once I've got going on something,
I mean, I can go into periods of what I
don't want to do? How would that work? Not because
I don't I can't actually get myself to start working
(05:50):
on it. It's just that the ideas don't come. But
if somebody else helps me out start something, or I
suddenly see something in the news and that gives me
an idea time airborne as it were, you know, I'm fine,
I'm great at it. And I mean some famous people
born under the Swan sign, Okay, Marco Polo, a great explorer.
(06:12):
It actually took him five years to actually leave his
house before he started that trip all the way from
Europe and being refers to European for sort of like
millennia to reach China. You've got Agatha Christie, you know,
a really great crime writer, mystery writer. She used to
(06:33):
every time she got a new book going, she almost
before she got it going, and she finished one of
her books, she said, I'm giving up. I can't come
up with any ideas. And it usually took somebody, a
friend or a member of the family to suggest something
or just say something in conversation that gave her the idea,
and once that happened, it flowed. So that's the Swan
(06:53):
for you.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Ah, all right, now, if you'll permit me to be
a little self indulgent, what about I was born January twelve?
What sign is that? According to the You.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Weary twelve you are a a fish. It's sort of
in the right rough area of sort of where Pieces was,
and you can see why perhaps later on if prices
in that area. I don't know, Actually, I'm just I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Not sure I would be a Capricorn. I'm a capricorn
according to the old.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Okay, right, but this is a single fish, not like
two fish like pieces, And no that I think that's
somewhere else in the calendar. Anyway, I've spent so much
time investigating the eighteen design that I've almost forgotten what
the original twelve which the Greek twelve ones were. But anyway,
what basically one of the most defining traits of the
(07:53):
fish is an empathy. Now we'd say, well, why would
have a fish be associated with empathy? That in other words,
I'm not just talking about somebody being necessarily share feelings
with other but empathic in the way that they may
be almost sometimes people would say they're telepathic. They're very
(08:13):
good at reading situations. Now quite why, you know, they
go into a room, if they meet somebody they feel
there's something wrong with them. They're invariably right that, yet
that would that person may not be best for them.
They're very they're empathic. And you'd say, well, why why
would be a why a fish would be chosen? Because
(08:34):
we know from Babylonian records that the fish was considered
to be a sign of mystical power, as a sign
of telepathy, or they didn't call it that. And I
don't know if you remember, I mean, you're probably not
old enough, but we used to have fish that you
put on the hand on the like a little paper fish.
(08:55):
You put it on the partment with your hand and
it curled up. Now it's like I think, so yeah, yeah,
and depending on which way it curled off. It's obviously
your heat from your hand doing it with this kind
of paper stuff. If it curled up one way sign,
it meant one way. Where that goes back to ancient Babylon.
They were making these things out of leaves because the
(09:18):
fish was considered to be something that told fortunes. So
basically you're talking about empathic people, people who could even
be considered psychic. Here's some famous people people. There's also
another thing about them when they actually get when they
do something, they do it in a way which is
(09:39):
very different to others, and they tend to find that
people around them will say, nah, that's that's never going
to work, but they go on and it works. Stanley,
there's somebody who's born under the fish sign. He came
up and created the Marvel comics. When he started doing this,
they are said, now you've got no chance. D C
(10:01):
Comics have got it tied down, so forget it and
go home. But became even bigger.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Interesting and.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Stephen Hawking and Elvis Presley, I'm humble truck driver.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
The empathy, I don't know. I mean, I feel a
great deal of empathy. It's sometimes to the point where
I almost feel responsible for other people's feelings, which is
not a good thing necessarily. But I don't know about
being telepathic or psychic. But the other the other aspect
of that certainly is me. People will say, why are
you doing it that way? That's not going to work well.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
When I say telepathy, I mean they considered it telepathy
in the past, perhaps, but I mean it's more. People
are able to pick up visual cues off people psychologically.
You know, they look, people give things away, like the
tell that people are playing poker. You know, they have
to sort of you know, you twitch your eye when
you're lying or something. They're very good at picking that
(11:00):
sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Up, right, right. So with the ancient Greeks, and there
are there astrological signs, I mean they talked about that,
you know, a lot of their mathematicians were astrologers, and
they talked about the the the what do they call it,
the radiation of the spheres or the radionics of the spheres.
They believed, I guess the kind of like cosmic radiation
(11:21):
was influencing people. What is the what do you think
is the biological mechanism behind this original zodiac? Why does it,
why does it seem to work?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Well, this is the interesting thing. I mean, astrologers for
down the ages have said, you know, we know, I mean,
there's obviously different types of strategy that this is called
native astrology. Basically when you're born and what stars areware
and you know, influences your personality and characteristics. Now, this
particular one, because we only know so little about it
(11:53):
at the moment, we can only talk about sun signs.
But to astrologers, where the moon happens to fall when
you're born, and where the planets are they're all so significant.
But we don't know how these ancients work that one out.
But the sun sign, obviously, for astrologers from the Greek times,
it was considered a major important thing for how to
(12:15):
signs that you can see about what people were like
rather than what was going to happen to them and
if they were going to be lucky on that day.
And that's the kind of astrology that predicts what's going
to happen next. Again, that's something we're not yet able
to work out from the discovery so far at go
Begleispi or more recent texts from Babylon and so forth.
(12:38):
But they could be found. So we're just going to
talking not about whether the you know, where the planets
are going to influence future events, just about the sun,
where it happens to be in the zodiac when you're born,
and if it can affect your personality. Now, on that point,
skeptic scientists have Lung said, I can't work These stars
(13:00):
are so far away, you know, light years ago, they
can't be affect It's not going to matter where they
happened to be when you were born. But they're looking
at it the wrong way. As I'd mentioned before, the
ancients when they worked out what star signs were, they
named that particular area of sky where the sun was
at that time of the year after the characteristics that
(13:23):
people had, not the other way around. Now, if you
look at it that way, there has been scientific research
done for other reasons not looking into astrology, but that
comes out with information that says, wow, that means that
some kind of native astrology when you're born could really
affect you. Now, back in twenty twenty one in Israel,
(13:47):
there was a there was a lot of research done
by scientists to try and find out what different hormones
the body secrety what different changes physiological changes happened to
humans throughout the year. Now we know that all animals
are affected by the seasons. They have to hibernate at
certain times, they have to reproduce at certain times to
(14:11):
be more effective. They and then stay with plants and
anything trees shed their leaves. Now, it's this research showed
so many different hormonal changes in humans that basically seemed
to go way back to when we were literally living
in the wild and we had to survive with nature.
(14:33):
We had to be prepared for different seasons and different
types of fruits on the trees and when there wasn't
fruit and so on, and that meant there was these
hormonal changes. And now this research suggested that pregnant women
during periods of time. Somebody who's pregnant for nine months
they starting at Christmas Day, are going to have different
(14:56):
hormone changes during that time to somebody who say, is
pregnant from Midsummer's Day for nine months.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
In other words, the time of year affects the chemistry,
which affects fetal development.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
That's it. So there is possible evidence that it works.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
But again it's what's happening environmentally here on Earth during
the seasons, which is reflected by the procession of the
of the different constellations.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
It just so happens to coincide precisely. But the thing
about what I've done now, which is different. I'm not
gonna have a go at anybody else's zodix, you know,
or whether they still work or not. The Greek zodiac
isn't perhaps old enough to be that badly affected, but
a twelve thousand year olds odi act like this would be.
(15:45):
But remember I've done these signs interpret them now. I mean,
the signs were still in the same place. What I've
done is that somebody who's today born between March twenty
first and April ninth, they've got these characteristics. That's what
the research has been looking at people alive today, and
(16:06):
so that's why it might be perhaps more accurate.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Interesting. So personality shaped by genetics, an environment or timing
in the womb, which is again in line with the
various seasons again and then reflected in the heavens. Absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
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