April 29, 2024 • 17 mins
Guest Host George Knapp and Col. John Alexander discuss UFO disclosure, exorcisms and take calls from listeners.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The reason I got to meet John Alexander is because
of UFOs. He was working with Robert Bigelow here in
the nineties and in NIDS and we got to know
each other. We've had some UFO adventures over the years,
and trips and controversies. The topic itself has had peaks
and valleys, as you know, a lot of interest since
(00:25):
twenty seventeen, the New York Times story, the media, Congress,
academics looking at it. But I think pushback was inevitable.
This Arrow report that came out a couple of weeks ago.
It sort of treated the subject like a magic wand
explaining why all previous UFO cases and investigations from earlier
government programs and whoosh, nothing to it. I don't imagine
(00:48):
you were surprised by that. I mean, the UFO public
is demanding transparency, We want disclosure. It's right around the corner.
I'm not optimistic, are you.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Not?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Muflitas, particularly right now the day to day stuff that's
just eating everything up. And from a political perspective, this
is an easy trade. I might mention, you know, I
friends with Chris Bledsoe and talk to him what's out yesterday?
(01:20):
And you know that's the one that keeps going. I
think the issue that I mentioned forward to his book
UFO God is it appears like we're talking about communication,
and I don't think that's the train Errow is on
a straight there. It seems to be, you know, very
(01:42):
straight materialistic view, and as we've discussed, I just think
that it's far more complex than that.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I should mention to our listeners. Your most recent book,
UFOs Myths, Conspiracies and Realities is a terrific look at
the big picture on this mystery. You know, the last
time I was at your house, it was with an
abduction research group and doctor Rudy Shield was there, Ray Hernandez,
and they were there to sort of share with us
(02:14):
their view that these abduction experiences are overwhelmingly positive, that
people who are scared have a reason to be scared,
but in the long run, it's a good thing. We
don't hear much about abductions anymore. Do you think they're
still happening? If so, why don't we hear about it?
And do you agree with this take that they're probably
for our own good.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Well as you know, Ray had done a huge study
literally thousands of people report. Again, now many of them
who said it was a positive experience did not say
that as their initial response, but that over time they
had sort of integrated the experiences and has seen it
(02:57):
in a broader context. Now he also included in that
looking at a variety of experiences from their death experiences
and other sorts of interactions along with abductions, and saw that,
you know, again the common factors in there. And the
(03:21):
question is, of course, you know, with anybody ever taken.
I think that again my views that these interactions do occur.
I am not convinced, on the other hand, that this
is et e little great guys from Zata reticularize up
and down to snatch people up. But again, we've had
(03:44):
reports of interactions between humans and sentient non humans and
including abduction kinds of things. For these interactions, but in
all cultures and for millennia, so it's not new.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Is it for their good or our good or both
or neither.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Oh, that's a very interesting question, and that the assumption
is it for good? You know, other mean to it?
Think I think we're going to get close to the answer.
And this goes back to some of leaving this customer
first hour, but looking at communication with you know, non
(04:27):
human entities. That that's why I come down against the
et hypothesis, but that these these kinds of interactions could
be you know, happening, and why they happen. I think
it's beyond our understanding at this point.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Right, let's take some calls. Joe in Modterey on the
Wildcard Line. Hi, Joe, welcome back to Coast to Coast.
What's on your mind?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
George. I've been.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Studying the paranormal actually have been practicing all different things
since for fifty five years after I got out of
the Navy, and as soon as you open that door,
one thing after another. But you have to develop yourself
spiritually about channeling. If a person doesn't develop themselves by channeling,
they don't get very intuitive, they don't have they don't
(05:22):
develop themselves spiritually, so it's difficult for them to discern
whether it's negative or positive. And after many years of channeling,
a person can understand something negative or positive, especially when
you get into these higher realms and channeling these other beings.
(05:43):
I do exorcisms and I got used to dealing with
the other said quite often, and I do channel my
higher self. I don't channel other beings unless I'm doing
healing work certain beings that I will work and they
will come in and help do the healing work. How
do you feel and have you noticed the difference between
(06:08):
a spiritual channel and a person who's specifically psychic. Not
that the psychic being psychic isn't spiritual. What I'm saying
is that they have developed a discernment. What do you
feel about that?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Well, I think you kind of nailed the topic. And
this is a big discussion within the particularly mediums, that
some of them they are just accessing information and bring
it out as opposed to directly as a channeler, you're
making some sort of connection with that entity or source,
(06:48):
and it's of sensibly them that's probably providing it directly,
as opposed to the quote psychic approach, where you know
the individeo's getting the information and then repeating it literally
acting as a medium. But where this is on the
(07:11):
spiritual spectrum, I think that's probably highly individualized and I
have to address each one one of the times make
that determination.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Thanks Joe, that was interesting. I appreciate the call. We're
going to UFO Jim in Kenyon Country, California. Hi Jim,
what's on your mind?
Speaker 6 (07:33):
My George.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
It's a pleasure to hear both you and the Colonel talkings.
As a quick note, I love your choice and songs.
Have you ever heard Wrecking Balld by Neil Young and
Emily Claris? Of course, okay, my favorite song. I was
wondering if the Colonel had ever come in contact with
tall white aliens and Indian springs or Nellis Field where
(07:55):
my father was a Lieutenant colonel in World War Two
as a pilot. And also has he ever heard of
Matthew Manning in England?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Have we heard of Matthew Manning England psychic? You know
that name? John Uk?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yes, I do, have I heard of it? Yes, this
is actually quite dated. Most people today would probably not
name was very popular route thirty years ago or so,
maybe more. But as far as Paul White, you'll have
to work me as pretty skeptical there, and I think
(08:39):
I know most of the folklore around it.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Paul Heller know about the tall planes.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Again, Hey, I'm familiar with the stories. You'd have to
mark me as skeptical.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, I don't know, Paul Hell, your wally was a
defense minister at I don't think he dealt with UFOs
while he was still in that job. He learned a
lot about the topic after he left the government service.
But thanks for the call, Jim, appreciate it. We're going
to John and Wisconsin. Good morning, John, George.
Speaker 7 (09:15):
Hello George, Hello John, George per usual, great guest, great information.
I wish I could join you and George Nori at
your upcoming event. I know it's going to be spectacular.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
John.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
I want to prepase my comments by saying I'm a
novice when it comes to UFO information and everything you
and Georgia have been talking about. So my comments are
not based on wisdom, They're based on curiosity. But I
believe that UFO's extrastial aliens have been part of our
earthly world forever and will continue to be. I also
believe that these forces want us to be educated and
(09:47):
respected and learned from them. And I think what you
do and George Knapp does, and George Nori does wonderful
things for people. I want to thank you for that.
My question is, though, do you think that once the
humans insert themselves or try to insert themselves in these
forces or try to re engineer, re engineer these forces
that negative things can happen. And that was my question
(10:10):
that John and George thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm not sure where to go with that would basically
have to agree with the generic comments that they're out there. Uh,
or logic says if there are positive sort of things
as probably negative. Somebody before mentioned, uh, the dumb exorcisms. Uh,
(10:41):
something I haven't admitted to, but actually did some minor
stuff and making the bad things go away on a
number of occasions.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Wait a second, minor exorcisms. That seems like a major
thing to me.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Like I said, I I haven't gone off into that
public before, but now I know, actually I'm funny in
reality denied that the chapter in there called Traveling Poldergeist,
in which I then married Diana and she had children,
(11:21):
and there seemed to be things that followed us from
Hawaii to California and on to Atlanta, and some of
them were pretty menacing. I mean, we had some things
literally fly around, and I did, and I had done
(11:42):
that before, but dealing with as if exercise had not
gone up against any of the big boys, and I
could not recommend that. In fact, that I said, I
had met a father, John mccola, who was the exercer
on The Exorcist, and one of the things they said
(12:04):
that you have to be prepared that the exorcist themselves
may not become possessed, and so you need a backup
team ready to exercise the exorcist. The Catholic approach on that. Yeah.
(12:28):
The other part that you know, when there are some
out there that has had a lot more experience with it,
But can it happen? I am convinced the answer is yes.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
You know, the part of John's question was about whether
these entities UFO, E T, whatever want us to be educated.
I wonder if you could elaborate on did they care
about us, or care about the planet, or both or neither.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Well, it's again, you're basically in your you know, what's
your police system. But most of the information that comes through,
both generically and specifically, would indicate that there are some
forces that are attempting to elevate humanity. I'm convinced we're
doing a very good job. Well, what Suzanne calls we're
(13:23):
in have come out of the dark ages and sort
of in the gray ages, but have not advanced nearly
as much as we could. But most of the information
that comes back that says, yes, there are forces that
are trying to elevate humanity and the souls as they
(13:44):
continue that is an eternal process.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Could be that, you know, these various mysteries might have
a common connection and there's more than one answer. There's
more than one intelligence, more than one agenda, and trying
to figure it out is pretty tough to Thanks for
that call. Trying to get one more in. Let's go
to Greg and MAUI. Hey, Greg, how you doing?
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Both of you? Thank you for the show tonight. You know,
I am in both interspace and outer space. I'm advantaced
degrees in psychology, political economic history, and I know the
interspace and psychic reeting and and all this stuff. And
but I've also had experiences in outer space. And since
(14:29):
we were talking on the UFO stuff on Mali especially,
I have met three main characters. The pilot who flew
the Roswell, crist Remains from New Mexico back to Wright Patterson. Also,
you know the man named William Cooper who wrote the book.
He was a Navy officer on a nuclear submarine who
(14:52):
witnessed UFOs coming out of the water in the air
and then back to they were just showing off, you know.
And the and Colonel Corso, who wrote the book the
day after Roswell, all of these were vallet connections in
person validated what they were. The books I read later
about them, and Colonel Corso specifically talked about the UFO
(15:17):
experience as your earlier guests talked about. Were these things
an actual crash or an accident or were they dropped
in on purpose?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Okay, let's Greg. We're going to run out of time here.
I'm going to let John answer that. John, You and
I've had a little bit of experience with Colonel Corso, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I guess he's not aware of when I actually you
knew of him before, long before the book came out,
and you and I and Hell went out and visited
with him. And well, actually, if you go to there
after Roswell, I have written him a letter following that.
(16:02):
It's actually an appendix of the UFO book, and it
was seven pages long. If you had how many things
this is wrong, that's wrong? And those little things from
it's a Delphi Adelphier Merlin to know the cold war
wasn't the cover for fighting et.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
It's a mixed bag, right, I mean, we're about out
of time, John, but you'd have to say about Colonel Corso,
it's a mixed bag. You really did work at the
places where he said, Yes, some of the claims he
made are really tough to prove. That's where you were
left with it.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yep, there's no doubt about that. And I was with him,
like I say, a week before he died, between his
heart attacks and what he had told me and showed me.
He was writing on a sequel to quote correct the
mistakes that were in the day after Ruswell, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
You and I have some photos with him, including the
last time I saw him, which was you know, the
year of the book came out. John Alexander. Always great
to talk to you. People will check out your books.
We have some links on the Coast to Coast site.
Reality Died is a heck of a book. Also, the
UFO Myths Book is if you're interested in that subject.
It's very comprehensive and people should should take a look
at it. John, Say hi to Victorian, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam
dot com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The reason I got to meet John Alexander is because
of UFOs. He was working with Robert Bigelow here in
the nineties and in NIDS and we got to know
each other. We've had some UFO adventures over the years,
and trips and controversies. The topic itself has had peaks
and valleys, as you know, a lot of interest since
(00:25):
twenty seventeen, the New York Times story, the media, Congress,
academics looking at it. But I think pushback was inevitable.
This Arrow report that came out a couple of weeks ago.
It sort of treated the subject like a magic wand
explaining why all previous UFO cases and investigations from earlier
government programs and whoosh, nothing to it. I don't imagine
(00:48):
you were surprised by that. I mean, the UFO public
is demanding transparency, We want disclosure. It's right around the corner.
I'm not optimistic, are you.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Not?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Muflitas, particularly right now the day to day stuff that's
just eating everything up. And from a political perspective, this
is an easy trade. I might mention, you know, I
friends with Chris Bledsoe and talk to him what's out yesterday?
(01:20):
And you know that's the one that keeps going. I
think the issue that I mentioned forward to his book
UFO God is it appears like we're talking about communication,
and I don't think that's the train Errow is on
a straight there. It seems to be, you know, very
(01:42):
straight materialistic view, and as we've discussed, I just think
that it's far more complex than that.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I should mention to our listeners. Your most recent book,
UFOs Myths, Conspiracies and Realities is a terrific look at
the big picture on this mystery. You know, the last
time I was at your house, it was with an
abduction research group and doctor Rudy Shield was there, Ray Hernandez,
and they were there to sort of share with us
(02:14):
their view that these abduction experiences are overwhelmingly positive, that
people who are scared have a reason to be scared,
but in the long run, it's a good thing. We
don't hear much about abductions anymore. Do you think they're
still happening? If so, why don't we hear about it?
And do you agree with this take that they're probably
for our own good.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Well as you know, Ray had done a huge study
literally thousands of people report. Again, now many of them
who said it was a positive experience did not say
that as their initial response, but that over time they
had sort of integrated the experiences and has seen it
(02:57):
in a broader context. Now he also included in that
looking at a variety of experiences from their death experiences
and other sorts of interactions along with abductions, and saw that,
you know, again the common factors in there. And the
(03:21):
question is, of course, you know, with anybody ever taken.
I think that again my views that these interactions do occur.
I am not convinced, on the other hand, that this
is et e little great guys from Zata reticularize up
and down to snatch people up. But again, we've had
(03:44):
reports of interactions between humans and sentient non humans and
including abduction kinds of things. For these interactions, but in
all cultures and for millennia, so it's not new.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Is it for their good or our good or both
or neither.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Oh, that's a very interesting question, and that the assumption
is it for good? You know, other mean to it?
Think I think we're going to get close to the answer.
And this goes back to some of leaving this customer
first hour, but looking at communication with you know, non
(04:27):
human entities. That that's why I come down against the
et hypothesis, but that these these kinds of interactions could
be you know, happening, and why they happen. I think
it's beyond our understanding at this point.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Right, let's take some calls. Joe in Modterey on the
Wildcard Line. Hi, Joe, welcome back to Coast to Coast.
What's on your mind?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
George. I've been.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Studying the paranormal actually have been practicing all different things
since for fifty five years after I got out of
the Navy, and as soon as you open that door,
one thing after another. But you have to develop yourself
spiritually about channeling. If a person doesn't develop themselves by channeling,
they don't get very intuitive, they don't have they don't
(05:22):
develop themselves spiritually, so it's difficult for them to discern
whether it's negative or positive. And after many years of channeling,
a person can understand something negative or positive, especially when
you get into these higher realms and channeling these other beings.
(05:43):
I do exorcisms and I got used to dealing with
the other said quite often, and I do channel my
higher self. I don't channel other beings unless I'm doing
healing work certain beings that I will work and they
will come in and help do the healing work. How
do you feel and have you noticed the difference between
(06:08):
a spiritual channel and a person who's specifically psychic. Not
that the psychic being psychic isn't spiritual. What I'm saying
is that they have developed a discernment. What do you
feel about that?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Well, I think you kind of nailed the topic. And
this is a big discussion within the particularly mediums, that
some of them they are just accessing information and bring
it out as opposed to directly as a channeler, you're
making some sort of connection with that entity or source,
(06:48):
and it's of sensibly them that's probably providing it directly,
as opposed to the quote psychic approach, where you know
the individeo's getting the information and then repeating it literally
acting as a medium. But where this is on the
(07:11):
spiritual spectrum, I think that's probably highly individualized and I
have to address each one one of the times make
that determination.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Thanks Joe, that was interesting. I appreciate the call. We're
going to UFO Jim in Kenyon Country, California. Hi Jim,
what's on your mind?
Speaker 6 (07:33):
My George.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
It's a pleasure to hear both you and the Colonel talkings.
As a quick note, I love your choice and songs.
Have you ever heard Wrecking Balld by Neil Young and
Emily Claris? Of course, okay, my favorite song. I was
wondering if the Colonel had ever come in contact with
tall white aliens and Indian springs or Nellis Field where
(07:55):
my father was a Lieutenant colonel in World War Two
as a pilot. And also has he ever heard of
Matthew Manning in England?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Have we heard of Matthew Manning England psychic? You know
that name? John Uk?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yes, I do, have I heard of it? Yes, this
is actually quite dated. Most people today would probably not
name was very popular route thirty years ago or so,
maybe more. But as far as Paul White, you'll have
to work me as pretty skeptical there, and I think
(08:39):
I know most of the folklore around it.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Paul Heller know about the tall planes.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Again, Hey, I'm familiar with the stories. You'd have to
mark me as skeptical.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, I don't know, Paul Hell, your wally was a
defense minister at I don't think he dealt with UFOs
while he was still in that job. He learned a
lot about the topic after he left the government service.
But thanks for the call, Jim, appreciate it. We're going
to John and Wisconsin. Good morning, John, George.
Speaker 7 (09:15):
Hello George, Hello John, George per usual, great guest, great information.
I wish I could join you and George Nori at
your upcoming event. I know it's going to be spectacular.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
John.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
I want to prepase my comments by saying I'm a
novice when it comes to UFO information and everything you
and Georgia have been talking about. So my comments are
not based on wisdom, They're based on curiosity. But I
believe that UFO's extrastial aliens have been part of our
earthly world forever and will continue to be. I also
believe that these forces want us to be educated and
(09:47):
respected and learned from them. And I think what you
do and George Knapp does, and George Nori does wonderful
things for people. I want to thank you for that.
My question is, though, do you think that once the
humans insert themselves or try to insert themselves in these
forces or try to re engineer, re engineer these forces
that negative things can happen. And that was my question
(10:10):
that John and George thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm not sure where to go with that would basically
have to agree with the generic comments that they're out there. Uh,
or logic says if there are positive sort of things
as probably negative. Somebody before mentioned, uh, the dumb exorcisms. Uh,
(10:41):
something I haven't admitted to, but actually did some minor
stuff and making the bad things go away on a
number of occasions.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Wait a second, minor exorcisms. That seems like a major
thing to me.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Like I said, I I haven't gone off into that
public before, but now I know, actually I'm funny in
reality denied that the chapter in there called Traveling Poldergeist,
in which I then married Diana and she had children,
(11:21):
and there seemed to be things that followed us from
Hawaii to California and on to Atlanta, and some of
them were pretty menacing. I mean, we had some things
literally fly around, and I did, and I had done
(11:42):
that before, but dealing with as if exercise had not
gone up against any of the big boys, and I
could not recommend that. In fact, that I said, I
had met a father, John mccola, who was the exercer
on The Exorcist, and one of the things they said
(12:04):
that you have to be prepared that the exorcist themselves
may not become possessed, and so you need a backup
team ready to exercise the exorcist. The Catholic approach on that. Yeah.
(12:28):
The other part that you know, when there are some
out there that has had a lot more experience with it,
But can it happen? I am convinced the answer is yes.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
You know, the part of John's question was about whether
these entities UFO, E T, whatever want us to be educated.
I wonder if you could elaborate on did they care
about us, or care about the planet, or both or neither.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Well, it's again, you're basically in your you know, what's
your police system. But most of the information that comes through,
both generically and specifically, would indicate that there are some
forces that are attempting to elevate humanity. I'm convinced we're
doing a very good job. Well, what Suzanne calls we're
(13:23):
in have come out of the dark ages and sort
of in the gray ages, but have not advanced nearly
as much as we could. But most of the information
that comes back that says, yes, there are forces that
are trying to elevate humanity and the souls as they
(13:44):
continue that is an eternal process.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Could be that, you know, these various mysteries might have
a common connection and there's more than one answer. There's
more than one intelligence, more than one agenda, and trying
to figure it out is pretty tough to Thanks for
that call. Trying to get one more in. Let's go
to Greg and MAUI. Hey, Greg, how you doing?
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Both of you? Thank you for the show tonight. You know,
I am in both interspace and outer space. I'm advantaced
degrees in psychology, political economic history, and I know the
interspace and psychic reeting and and all this stuff. And
but I've also had experiences in outer space. And since
(14:29):
we were talking on the UFO stuff on Mali especially,
I have met three main characters. The pilot who flew
the Roswell, crist Remains from New Mexico back to Wright Patterson. Also,
you know the man named William Cooper who wrote the book.
He was a Navy officer on a nuclear submarine who
(14:52):
witnessed UFOs coming out of the water in the air
and then back to they were just showing off, you know.
And the and Colonel Corso, who wrote the book the
day after Roswell, all of these were vallet connections in
person validated what they were. The books I read later
about them, and Colonel Corso specifically talked about the UFO
(15:17):
experience as your earlier guests talked about. Were these things
an actual crash or an accident or were they dropped
in on purpose?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Okay, let's Greg. We're going to run out of time here.
I'm going to let John answer that. John, You and
I've had a little bit of experience with Colonel Corso, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I guess he's not aware of when I actually you
knew of him before, long before the book came out,
and you and I and Hell went out and visited
with him. And well, actually, if you go to there
after Roswell, I have written him a letter following that.
(16:02):
It's actually an appendix of the UFO book, and it
was seven pages long. If you had how many things
this is wrong, that's wrong? And those little things from
it's a Delphi Adelphier Merlin to know the cold war
wasn't the cover for fighting et.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
It's a mixed bag, right, I mean, we're about out
of time, John, but you'd have to say about Colonel Corso,
it's a mixed bag. You really did work at the
places where he said, Yes, some of the claims he
made are really tough to prove. That's where you were
left with it.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yep, there's no doubt about that. And I was with him,
like I say, a week before he died, between his
heart attacks and what he had told me and showed me.
He was writing on a sequel to quote correct the
mistakes that were in the day after Ruswell, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
You and I have some photos with him, including the
last time I saw him, which was you know, the
year of the book came out. John Alexander. Always great
to talk to you. People will check out your books.
We have some links on the Coast to Coast site.
Reality Died is a heck of a book. Also, the
UFO Myths Book is if you're interested in that subject.
It's very comprehensive and people should should take a look
at it. John, Say hi to Victorian, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
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