October 20, 2024 • 14 mins
Guest host Connie Willis and researcher Paul Sinclair discuss canine cryptids.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
So you were mentioning Paul that, Yeah, it's like, well
the silver bullet, all that kind of thing. People think werewolf,
so they don't, they don't associate that with the dog man.
But we're you and I are talking about the look
of it. Dog man and werewolf, same kind of look.
And now when Hollywood gets involved or any type of
film kind of thing, and you look back in the back,
(00:26):
the werewolf was the man who made a change, and
you could kill him with the silver bullet, right, And
you know, they add different things. Hollywood and television and
film are always known for adding something embellishing things. You
and I are about not embellishing, but getting to the
straight truth. So you got to cut out those little things. However,
one of the really cool things one of my Blue
(00:48):
Rockers and my members of my shows and a big
Coast insider as well, Cryptid five five nine. He is
somebody that in California had seen a dog man up
close and personal, and believe it or not, the it
had shorts on it. It had it had shorts on
(01:09):
and the shorts were ripped up in a way that
it looked like the old movies of the were wolves
when the were wolves would be a man, right, and
then it would turn into the were wolf and it
would it would, you know, expand and rip up the
clothes that was on it. And he had described that
(01:30):
it had shorts on that were ripped up.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Is that interesting? Have you ever heard anything like that before?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I heard one, Connie, where there was a report of
somebody giving us a description of what they would describe
as were wolf dog man, and then when it turned
they saw a glint and they thought it had an
earring on. Oh you know, which is crazy?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Was it in the right ear the left ear? Which
ear was it?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
I don't know? Wouldn't you know? There's so many attributes, Tonny,
that take these creatures away from a flesh and blood
such a flesh, bone and blood creature. I believe there are, anyway,
you know, because we talked about the in many instances,
not just with the dog man, were wolf, the Bigfoot,
the self illuminating eyes and you know we're talking about
(02:21):
eyes that aren't illuminating when a light goes on them self,
illuminating the way that these things move and are supposed
to be able to not supposed to be able to.
Other descriptions are that this thing went behind a tree
and it never just it never came out the other
side a tree. It just disappeared, you know. The movers though,
they'd go on kind of an escalator. Lots and lots
(02:44):
of stories that take it away from a normal flesh
and blood creature. And there's got to be some kind
of substance to these things, I suppose to Ron Moorehead
I'm sure you'll be familiar with, Yeah, And we had
him on our live stream, the Truth Proof live stream,
and to Ron and you were talking about the sounds
that these things were making on everybody knows he's famous
(03:07):
for the Sierra sounds. But I said something to him
that I don't think it's it's thought about. I could
be wrong, but what if what if a lot of
these sounds, the branches breaking, and the sounds what people
report of like a car door or a boot shutting
hard in the forest. What if a lot of these
(03:27):
sounds are just voice projection, And you know, and people
talk about hearing these things close to their home and
hearing clicks and strange noises, and what if they can
use just like a whale. What if they could use
echo location. I know we've jumped away slightly from the
werewolf here and which I'm sort of moving into Bigfoot
(03:50):
stroke Sabba territory. But there's many attributes to these things.
You know, there was an encounter, and we'll jump to
the one I was speaking about earlier. But there's an
encounter in a place called Warncliff Woods in Sheffield where
the witnesses report almost an all night siege while they
were wild camping, being terrified by these things, branches breaking,
(04:12):
the sounds of trees splitting, all sorts of things. But
when they left the forest in the morning or woodland
should we say it was Warmcliff Woods, they found no
evidence of devastation. So you think to yourself, are we
looking at something with the ability to mimic as in
the voice? You know? So I think there's a possibility
(04:33):
that that could be happening in some instances.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Yeah, when you you know what I want to I
don't want to let you forget telling that story you
were starting, So let's go ahead and go to the
story you were telling.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Okay, right, So we're looking at Tuesday, the eighth of
August twenty twenty three, and this lady's traveling on a train.
She said, it was a perfectly normal morning. She got
on the train. Jane sat on the left hand side
of the carriage, facing the same direction as what the
train was traveling, the first train out of Hull that morning,
and there was only one other person on the carriage,
(05:12):
so presumably presumably it was a man going to work,
because she said it was a male, and obviously the
only other person on the train then is the driver.
She was just gazing out of the window with nothing
on her mind. The crops in the fields were all
ready to harvest. Everything was normal, she said. Then in
the distance, a deer suddenly sprang up in the corn
(05:33):
and began running, and it was running almost parallel to
the train. This took Wendy by surprise, and she now
thinks it must have been flushed out of the nearby
strip of woodland at the far end of the field.
I mean, I can see this location.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
It's not that far.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
From where I live. And then, even more surprising, the
strangest animal suddenly appeared, and she said suddenly, because she
didn't see it come from anywhere. All of this happened
in seconds. It was hard to process. But what caught
Wendy's attention were its eyes. They were glowing amber, and
(06:10):
she remembers that there was a light. It was early morning,
and there was a light illuminating almost from the eyes,
which we've just touched on it. It shouldn't be happening.
She could clearly see that the eyes were large and
round and they were amber in color. So from seeing
this animal, this creature appear in the standing position, it
(06:35):
began to move forward at incredible speed towards the deer.
She could see they had long human shaped legs, That's
what she said, So we're not looking at hawks, you know,
as in the dog type leg covered in gray, wiry,
almost brittle looking fur. From the standing position, she says,
the creature, whatever it was, dropped into a lower stand
(06:58):
and then began to move at great speed through the
crop towards the deer. At this point, this lady wend
is in shock, and she kind of spoke out loud,
what is that? She stood up in the carriage, pressed
her face against the glass, trying to make sense of
what she's seeing. Said it was the strangest animal she'd
ever seen in her life. The other passenger was also
(07:21):
aware of it, and now she regrets not talking to
him afterwards. But the truth is, she said she was
just shocked and frightened in the short time that she
saw it. She managed to see enough, though, to give me,
as important Claire, a good description. She described it as
having forward pointing ears, a long, almost elongated muzzle. Her
(07:44):
words were that it was as long as a crocodile snout.
I mean that sounds crave abnormally long s andso noted
that its limbs were shorter, or its front limbs were
shorter than his back legs. Asked if it had Ann's
or pause, had it ill that? She said she didn't notice,
so she couldn't tell me. She did, though, note that
(08:06):
the back legs were powerful, adding that when it got
closer to the train, she could see the muscles in
its thighs and gloops. She can only assume at that point,
during all of this that the train driver must have
seen it also, and all of this, Connie, it must
have just happened in seconds, because obviously this train's traveling.
(08:26):
But remember she's also said that the deer's running along
the side of the train, and they're pretty fast, so
you know, I don't know how long it lasted, she
may have said, I can't remember, she said. Suddenly, the
train driver sounded his horn five or six times. She
thinks he was trying to distract the creature from chasing
the deer, although she doesn't know. And I've reached out
(08:49):
to some train drivers or two that I know, seeing
if we could find out a little bit of information,
But so far I've drawn a blank. Because it's the
strangest thing that you're asking about, really, isn't it. No,
I have no way of verifying any of this at
the moment, apart from the lady's word on this story
over the situation suddenly changed when the train's on sounded
(09:11):
had said all that in when his own words, it
seemed to become focused. That the creature seemed to become
focused on her, and for a few seconds, she said,
it turned and its eyes felt like they were fixed
on her. So the most chilling part of the all encounter,
because those eyes were glowing amber, she said, will aunt
her forever. She also thinks that the train speeders up
(09:33):
speeded up as the unknown animal approached the train. That
was when she began to speak out loud in fear.
She says she was terrified as it tipped forwards at
about forty five degrees and charged through the crop. She
thinks he got within about thirty to forty feet of
the train carriage and suddenly stopped in its tracks. She
(09:55):
strained watching it through the window as it sort of
faded into the distance. And that's her story. So I
don't know, quite a strange one.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I think, yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Absolutely anymore. Obviously, you know, we can take this wherever
you want. I've got one from close to area filing Dales,
which is the early warning base on the North Yorkshire Moors,
which is not strictly were wolf related, but very strange
because when we made our documentary wolf Lands, there's a
(10:32):
lot of people who watched the film we'll know there's
a lot of forests around the North Yorkshire Moors. You've
got five hundred and I think it's about five hundred
and twenty five miles of moorland forest and woodland, and
a lot of such a legends and folklore relating to
the were wolf, the wolf man. The word dog man
weren't used, but it's all there. But I've got a
(10:55):
story from this year from April this year. That might
be interesting for your listeners if you want me to
relay that one.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Connie, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Before you do that, that particular area that you're talking about,
describe the terrain, because I've never been in that area.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I don't know. Is it easy forest to walk through
or not?
Speaker 4 (11:20):
It would be very difficult. You've got, essentially, you've got
different forests, different lots of forests and woodlands that are
all separated by names. So you've got brox To Forest,
howard Dale, Cropton Forest and they're all linked. There's minor
roads running through them and villages in between. But if
(11:41):
you step off the logging roads in many of these locations,
you're in the middle of quite desolate places that have
not had any football for many, many years, you know.
And it runs a lot of it parallels the eastern
North Yorkshire coast. I live on the East Yorkshire coast
here in Bridlington. I'm probably five hundred yards from the sea,
and then you can just continue up the coast and
(12:04):
when you get towards Scarborough and Whitby along the coast,
if you went inland, you'd come to those forests and
there's all sorts of stories and sightings along these coast
roads as well. I mean I got some some sketches
of some huge prints that were sent to me from
a place called Port Maulgrave earlier this year, where this
(12:26):
was a couple gone in a campervan to do or
just camp overnight and then they got up to do
an early morning walk and on the coastal path they
found huge barefoot footprints. In mind, these people weren't interested
whatsoever in the cryptid phenomena the unexplained. They just realized
that they were looking at something highly unusual along those paths.
(12:49):
And it's a lot of the times, Tonnie, it's the
same locations that are that are throwing out or concentrated
areas within the area of strangeness. There's a place called
stand Then where fishermen go to fish off the rocks
up at Sam's End pussy fish cord and baths, and
they've reported seeing something bipedal walking towards them as they're
(13:14):
shining their lights in the night as the fishing these
cliff tops, to the point where when they put the
light on, its dipping its head and then when they
put the light back on it, remove the light, put
it back. This thing whatever it is, which for all
intents and purposes, they said, you'd think it was a
horse walking towards them, but its eyes are forward facing,
(13:37):
and they're cutting their lines and running, just absolutely running
in fear. And those reports are coming from SAMs End.
We've got reports of what I call the lower silence,
where everything just descends into this strange, disjointed reality. And
that Conny runs runs with all aspects of the paranormal,
(13:58):
from ghost hunting to where we'll stroke dog Man to UFOs.
I think whatever we're dealing with is using is the
same thing, and please bear with me on that first
of all, people, as in, are we looking at one
intelligence or one group of similar intelligencers that are putting
(14:19):
different masks on and showing and I don't mean mask
literally people, but just showing us what we want to see,
as in UFO researchers see UFOs and ghost hunters see ghosts.
But are we looking at the same thing, because there's
so many similarities, there's so many threads of the same
that run through all of this.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
oneam Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot com.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
For more,
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
So you were mentioning Paul that, Yeah, it's like, well
the silver bullet, all that kind of thing. People think werewolf,
so they don't, they don't associate that with the dog man.
But we're you and I are talking about the look
of it. Dog man and werewolf, same kind of look.
And now when Hollywood gets involved or any type of
film kind of thing, and you look back in the back,
(00:26):
the werewolf was the man who made a change, and
you could kill him with the silver bullet, right, And
you know, they add different things. Hollywood and television and
film are always known for adding something embellishing things. You
and I are about not embellishing, but getting to the
straight truth. So you got to cut out those little things. However,
one of the really cool things one of my Blue
(00:48):
Rockers and my members of my shows and a big
Coast insider as well, Cryptid five five nine. He is
somebody that in California had seen a dog man up
close and personal, and believe it or not, the it
had shorts on it. It had it had shorts on
(01:09):
and the shorts were ripped up in a way that
it looked like the old movies of the were wolves
when the were wolves would be a man, right, and
then it would turn into the were wolf and it
would it would, you know, expand and rip up the
clothes that was on it. And he had described that
(01:30):
it had shorts on that were ripped up.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Is that interesting? Have you ever heard anything like that before?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I heard one, Connie, where there was a report of
somebody giving us a description of what they would describe
as were wolf dog man, and then when it turned
they saw a glint and they thought it had an
earring on. Oh you know, which is crazy?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Was it in the right ear the left ear? Which
ear was it?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
I don't know? Wouldn't you know? There's so many attributes, Tonny,
that take these creatures away from a flesh and blood
such a flesh, bone and blood creature. I believe there are, anyway,
you know, because we talked about the in many instances,
not just with the dog man, were wolf, the Bigfoot,
the self illuminating eyes and you know we're talking about
(02:21):
eyes that aren't illuminating when a light goes on them self,
illuminating the way that these things move and are supposed
to be able to not supposed to be able to.
Other descriptions are that this thing went behind a tree
and it never just it never came out the other
side a tree. It just disappeared, you know. The movers though,
they'd go on kind of an escalator. Lots and lots
(02:44):
of stories that take it away from a normal flesh
and blood creature. And there's got to be some kind
of substance to these things, I suppose to Ron Moorehead
I'm sure you'll be familiar with, Yeah, And we had
him on our live stream, the Truth Proof live stream,
and to Ron and you were talking about the sounds
that these things were making on everybody knows he's famous
(03:07):
for the Sierra sounds. But I said something to him
that I don't think it's it's thought about. I could
be wrong, but what if what if a lot of
these sounds, the branches breaking, and the sounds what people
report of like a car door or a boot shutting
hard in the forest. What if a lot of these
(03:27):
sounds are just voice projection, And you know, and people
talk about hearing these things close to their home and
hearing clicks and strange noises, and what if they can
use just like a whale. What if they could use
echo location. I know we've jumped away slightly from the
werewolf here and which I'm sort of moving into Bigfoot
(03:50):
stroke Sabba territory. But there's many attributes to these things.
You know, there was an encounter, and we'll jump to
the one I was speaking about earlier. But there's an
encounter in a place called Warncliff Woods in Sheffield where
the witnesses report almost an all night siege while they
were wild camping, being terrified by these things, branches breaking,
(04:12):
the sounds of trees splitting, all sorts of things. But
when they left the forest in the morning or woodland
should we say it was Warmcliff Woods, they found no
evidence of devastation. So you think to yourself, are we
looking at something with the ability to mimic as in
the voice? You know? So I think there's a possibility
(04:33):
that that could be happening in some instances.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Yeah, when you you know what I want to I
don't want to let you forget telling that story you
were starting, So let's go ahead and go to the
story you were telling.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Okay, right, So we're looking at Tuesday, the eighth of
August twenty twenty three, and this lady's traveling on a train.
She said, it was a perfectly normal morning. She got
on the train. Jane sat on the left hand side
of the carriage, facing the same direction as what the
train was traveling, the first train out of Hull that morning,
and there was only one other person on the carriage,
(05:12):
so presumably presumably it was a man going to work,
because she said it was a male, and obviously the
only other person on the train then is the driver.
She was just gazing out of the window with nothing
on her mind. The crops in the fields were all
ready to harvest. Everything was normal, she said. Then in
the distance, a deer suddenly sprang up in the corn
(05:33):
and began running, and it was running almost parallel to
the train. This took Wendy by surprise, and she now
thinks it must have been flushed out of the nearby
strip of woodland at the far end of the field.
I mean, I can see this location.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
It's not that far.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
From where I live. And then, even more surprising, the
strangest animal suddenly appeared, and she said suddenly, because she
didn't see it come from anywhere. All of this happened
in seconds. It was hard to process. But what caught
Wendy's attention were its eyes. They were glowing amber, and
(06:10):
she remembers that there was a light. It was early morning,
and there was a light illuminating almost from the eyes,
which we've just touched on it. It shouldn't be happening.
She could clearly see that the eyes were large and
round and they were amber in color. So from seeing
this animal, this creature appear in the standing position, it
(06:35):
began to move forward at incredible speed towards the deer.
She could see they had long human shaped legs, That's
what she said, So we're not looking at hawks, you know,
as in the dog type leg covered in gray, wiry,
almost brittle looking fur. From the standing position, she says,
the creature, whatever it was, dropped into a lower stand
(06:58):
and then began to move at great speed through the
crop towards the deer. At this point, this lady wend
is in shock, and she kind of spoke out loud,
what is that? She stood up in the carriage, pressed
her face against the glass, trying to make sense of
what she's seeing. Said it was the strangest animal she'd
ever seen in her life. The other passenger was also
(07:21):
aware of it, and now she regrets not talking to
him afterwards. But the truth is, she said she was
just shocked and frightened in the short time that she
saw it. She managed to see enough, though, to give me,
as important Claire, a good description. She described it as
having forward pointing ears, a long, almost elongated muzzle. Her
(07:44):
words were that it was as long as a crocodile snout.
I mean that sounds crave abnormally long s andso noted
that its limbs were shorter, or its front limbs were
shorter than his back legs. Asked if it had Ann's
or pause, had it ill that? She said she didn't notice,
so she couldn't tell me. She did, though, note that
(08:06):
the back legs were powerful, adding that when it got
closer to the train, she could see the muscles in
its thighs and gloops. She can only assume at that point,
during all of this that the train driver must have
seen it also, and all of this, Connie, it must
have just happened in seconds, because obviously this train's traveling.
(08:26):
But remember she's also said that the deer's running along
the side of the train, and they're pretty fast, so
you know, I don't know how long it lasted, she
may have said, I can't remember, she said. Suddenly, the
train driver sounded his horn five or six times. She
thinks he was trying to distract the creature from chasing
the deer, although she doesn't know. And I've reached out
(08:49):
to some train drivers or two that I know, seeing
if we could find out a little bit of information,
But so far I've drawn a blank. Because it's the
strangest thing that you're asking about, really, isn't it. No,
I have no way of verifying any of this at
the moment, apart from the lady's word on this story
over the situation suddenly changed when the train's on sounded
(09:11):
had said all that in when his own words, it
seemed to become focused. That the creature seemed to become
focused on her, and for a few seconds, she said,
it turned and its eyes felt like they were fixed
on her. So the most chilling part of the all encounter,
because those eyes were glowing amber, she said, will aunt
her forever. She also thinks that the train speeders up
(09:33):
speeded up as the unknown animal approached the train. That
was when she began to speak out loud in fear.
She says she was terrified as it tipped forwards at
about forty five degrees and charged through the crop. She
thinks he got within about thirty to forty feet of
the train carriage and suddenly stopped in its tracks. She
(09:55):
strained watching it through the window as it sort of
faded into the distance. And that's her story. So I
don't know, quite a strange one.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I think, yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Absolutely anymore. Obviously, you know, we can take this wherever
you want. I've got one from close to area filing Dales,
which is the early warning base on the North Yorkshire Moors,
which is not strictly were wolf related, but very strange
because when we made our documentary wolf Lands, there's a
(10:32):
lot of people who watched the film we'll know there's
a lot of forests around the North Yorkshire Moors. You've
got five hundred and I think it's about five hundred
and twenty five miles of moorland forest and woodland, and
a lot of such a legends and folklore relating to
the were wolf, the wolf man. The word dog man
weren't used, but it's all there. But I've got a
(10:55):
story from this year from April this year. That might
be interesting for your listeners if you want me to
relay that one.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Connie, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Before you do that, that particular area that you're talking about,
describe the terrain, because I've never been in that area.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I don't know. Is it easy forest to walk through
or not?
Speaker 4 (11:20):
It would be very difficult. You've got, essentially, you've got
different forests, different lots of forests and woodlands that are
all separated by names. So you've got brox To Forest,
howard Dale, Cropton Forest and they're all linked. There's minor
roads running through them and villages in between. But if
(11:41):
you step off the logging roads in many of these locations,
you're in the middle of quite desolate places that have
not had any football for many, many years, you know.
And it runs a lot of it parallels the eastern
North Yorkshire coast. I live on the East Yorkshire coast
here in Bridlington. I'm probably five hundred yards from the sea,
and then you can just continue up the coast and
(12:04):
when you get towards Scarborough and Whitby along the coast,
if you went inland, you'd come to those forests and
there's all sorts of stories and sightings along these coast
roads as well. I mean I got some some sketches
of some huge prints that were sent to me from
a place called Port Maulgrave earlier this year, where this
(12:26):
was a couple gone in a campervan to do or
just camp overnight and then they got up to do
an early morning walk and on the coastal path they
found huge barefoot footprints. In mind, these people weren't interested
whatsoever in the cryptid phenomena the unexplained. They just realized
that they were looking at something highly unusual along those paths.
(12:49):
And it's a lot of the times, Tonnie, it's the
same locations that are that are throwing out or concentrated
areas within the area of strangeness. There's a place called
stand Then where fishermen go to fish off the rocks
up at Sam's End pussy fish cord and baths, and
they've reported seeing something bipedal walking towards them as they're
(13:14):
shining their lights in the night as the fishing these
cliff tops, to the point where when they put the
light on, its dipping its head and then when they
put the light back on it, remove the light, put
it back. This thing whatever it is, which for all
intents and purposes, they said, you'd think it was a
horse walking towards them, but its eyes are forward facing,
(13:37):
and they're cutting their lines and running, just absolutely running
in fear. And those reports are coming from SAMs End.
We've got reports of what I call the lower silence,
where everything just descends into this strange, disjointed reality. And
that Conny runs runs with all aspects of the paranormal,
(13:58):
from ghost hunting to where we'll stroke dog Man to UFOs.
I think whatever we're dealing with is using is the
same thing, and please bear with me on that first
of all, people, as in, are we looking at one
intelligence or one group of similar intelligencers that are putting
(14:19):
different masks on and showing and I don't mean mask
literally people, but just showing us what we want to see,
as in UFO researchers see UFOs and ghost hunters see ghosts.
But are we looking at the same thing, because there's
so many similarities, there's so many threads of the same
that run through all of this.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
oneam Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot com.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
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