November 16, 2025 • 21 mins
50-year-old Sophie Grégoire is a class act. She was baited on a podcast to explain how she’s remained so “cool” amid the now public romance between her soon-to-be ex-husband, former Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and pop star Katy Perry. Grégoire, who was married to Trudeau for 18 years and with whom she shares three children, gave some of the most thoughtful, empowering answers to how she is navigating the very public situation and there are lessons in her words for each and everyone one of us.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Have you heard, Well, sure you have, because everybody is talking.
Justin Trudeau has a new girlfriend, and everybody seems to
be talking about that. But Justin Trudeau also has a wife.
She's talking too.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
You know what, we like this lady. And with that,
welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We celebrating, right.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
A lot of people are very excited about Justin Trudeau
and Katy Perry dating Canadians. It's fun. It makes sense.
They're available, both recently out of long term relationships. This
seemed to be something people endorsed.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yes, they look great together. I think everyone they look
happy together. And it's been interesting because they are official,
I guess because they made the choice to walk out
of that cabaret show hand in hand. It was her birthday,
so they never actually released a statement or put anything
on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Okay, wait, do they have to, babe?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I don't think so, because when you walk out of
a restaurant on your birthday when you know, speculation because
there were some other photos that were taken earlier, a
month or so prior, and so yes, they made the decision.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
But I guess they're calling this a soft launch of
a relationship.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You don't have to talk about it, but just the
mere act of holding your hand. You know, the paparazzi's
going to be there, you know the cameras are going
to be there.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
And now you're.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Saying, okay, I want to put that to RESK because
they haven't officially done whatever, put out some statement these
two are dating.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yes, okay, we're good, Yes, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I just want to make sure I'm not missing something here,
because there were some people even wanting to be cautious,
if you will, after they walked out holding hands. What
else are we talking about here other than that? Okay,
thank you for tearing.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
All that of one of those What else could it be?
So even by process of elimination, obviously they're dating.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
So through all this and romes, I didn't keep up,
but I didn't realize. It's been two years since the
announcement of Justin Trudeau's separation from his still but a
strange wife at this point.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Right. Yes, her name is Sophie greg Guar. I'm not
really good at French names, but yeah, Sophie greg War.
She's fifty years old. They announced their separation in August
of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
So yes, more than two years ago.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So that was a big deal at the time. He
was still I believe prime minister he was at a
time of that announcement. These two have been together for
a long time. She has been a part of national politics.
People know her. She had her own career in journalism,
she's an advocate. So this was a This was their camelot,
if you will. He comes from a family and it
has a whole background. Everything's great. How old are the.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Kids they are right now, I've got their ages, so
eighteen years of eighteen years of marriage. And yes they
have Xavier who's eighteen, Ella Grace who is sixteen, and
Hadrian who is eleven.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Okay, now they announced their separation and I think folk
we don't follow that closely politics in Canada, but we
know him and when her they were getting separated, and
just kind of oh, it just kind of.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Sucked or this, as you mentioned, like the camelot of Canada.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
They were a beautiful couple.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
She was a former model, TV presenter, so yes, they
were a beautiful couple with a beautiful family.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
And I think especially when you see them.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Leading the nation and showing up as representing your country,
people are rooting for you.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah, you look great, you seem great.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Everyone wants to believe you are great because we all,
like I think, to have couples and families to model
our own after to say, look at them, they've made it,
they figured it out. Look how happy they are. Maybe
I can be happy too. So when, yeah, those relationships
fail somehow, it puts a little chink in our trust
that our relationship is going to be able to succeed
as well.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
You know, That's what it was.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I was very, very hopeful, and so this was like, oh, well,
that one couldn't work. I was hopeful that one could. Okay, fine,
But even when that happened, right robes. Look, we're used
to it here or in the US, of a celebrity breakup,
and there be a lot of tabloid headlines and a
lot of that is to come. I don't remember necessarily.
(04:00):
Please correct me if I'm wrong, But it didn't seem
like there was a lot of mess surrounding their separation.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
No, it didn't seem like that was the case at all.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
And in fact, they both put out statements and they
both seemed to you know, it was one of those
friendly recoparenting please respect our privacy, but you know, our
family is being put first.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA YadA. But yeah, it was just
that there was.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
No scandal, there were no rumors, there was no whispering,
not that I saw or read anywhere.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So here we go fast forward and Robes, I forgot
about it, he of course says, since not been. He's
not the prime minister anymore. He's still active and around.
But I didn't think about it again until I see
of course, I guess it was the summer that first
picture of him and Katy Perry having a dinner. Now,
(04:49):
when I first saw that, I pooh pooed Itai was
a big deal.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I mentioned it to you and you were like, please,
they're just they're they're both, you know, in the same
city and they're Canadians, and yeah they yeah, didn't think.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It was a big deal. Didn't think it was a
big deal. I don't remember when it got more serious.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
What was the next thing, because then they found well,
first of all, after that dining together in that Montreal restaurant,
then Justin Trudeau was spotted in the crowd at Perry's
concert there in the city with his teenage daughter so
he had his daughter with him.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
But they were there at her concert.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
And then there were some pictures, some paparazzi pictures of
them on a boat together.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Okay. The daughter thing I could explain away as well. Right,
his daughter wants to go see Katy Perry. Hey, I
got the hook up. It's your hero dad to take
your daughter something like that. Okay. The yacht thing, I
don't remember that. The boat pictures, I didn't see those.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
It was Katy Perry's yacht.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Okay, but it was obvious that it was.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yes, they they seemed like they were more than friends.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
They looked friendly. Were there other people? Was he one
of several on this boat?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Or I can try to pull out the picture enough
to be able to kind of answer, but it would
see as though they were captured enjoying their butting romance.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Okay, so now if we don't have to debate about
the next one.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
They were what was it last month?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yes, Paris her birthday, Paris the Crazy Horse, Perry's birthday,
exiting when they knew the cameras were there, hand in hand.
She had a beautiful red dress on, so she was
dressed to impress. He had a dark suit on. They
looked great together walking out. They knew what they were doing.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
They were ready. This was their announcement without having to
put any words to it.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Okay, And that's fine. And to your point, that picture
was perfect. Those were two people who knew we were
about to go viral.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yes, we were about to make it official without having
to utter a word.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
So as we have been watching I guess robes that
first dinner date and then him showing up at the
concert and there he is on the boat and here
they are holding hands. As we were watching it, there
was somebody else watching all this apparently as well.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yes, his a stranged wife.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Estranged sounds so awful, I know it has. It just
sounds like it has a negative connotation. But what we're
talking about they've been separated, yes right.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yes, soon to be x A strange look divorce. I
don't know how it works in Canada, but oftentimes, as
anyone who has been through it knows, sometimes they're not
as quick as you'd like them to be. So there's
it doesn't even have to mean they're contentious. It just
sometimes takes.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
A long time.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And so yeah, these two had been married for eighteen
years and we had not heard yet from Sophie publicly
since these pictures, since it first started as rumors, then photos,
and then of course the soft launch of their relationship,
we have not heard her reaction. And so, yeah, she
is still technically his wife, but obviously they have been
(07:48):
a part living separate lives for more than two years
at this point. And so she actually went on a
podcast this week, and the host is always funny to
watch how people try to slide it and the question
that they actually really want to ask the entire time.
So as she's being interviewed about a myriad of different topics,
the host basically addressed Justin Trudeau's relationship with Katy Perry, saying,
(08:13):
I don't know how you stay cool, and I really
admire it because I would probably not be that. I'm
not sure if the implication is it somehow, because your
soon to be ex husband has moved on with a
public figure, you're supposed to be wrecked or horrified or
not cool with that. But she was clearly baiting her
in that question.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
What was the last part of that?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
She said, I don't know how you stay cool, and
I really admire it because I would probably not be that.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't know what that means. You tell me, as
a woman, what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
She's trying to get her to say that I'm upset, okay,
that Justin is dating Katy Perry. I'm upset that he's
out in the public eye in front of cameras with
another woman.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I took it as she was saying something sincerely about
where she might have been the situation, versus her just
trying to get an answer out of a response time.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
It could be a little truth to both, but I
sincerely believe she was trying to kind of say, yeah, girl,
I get you. I understand that must be tough, because man,
I don't know if I could stay cool if I
saw my ex husband dating Katie Perry. So it was
kind of like trying to commiserate but also trying to
get her to jump on that shit.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Should I stop there about that point? I don't know
if to wait for the end, because that's an important point.
Why or what point can anyone stop being upset at
the person they were with has moved on after two years? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I mean I think that out of respect for the
person who you spent eighteen years with, who you raised children,
with who you made a mutual decision with. It seems
as though that was the case in this one, particularly
you actually you can maybe personally.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Of course, there might be.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Some sadness or it might be hard to look at
or hard to watch.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
But that's to be expected.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
But it's also no one's done anything wrong here, So
I actually I hate the idea of pot stirring, like
trying to get a woman to say something bad about
another woman or some sort of you know, negative comment
about their ex husband's new romance because it's in the
public eye, maybe because Katy Perry is a decade or
so younger than her, you know, who knows what, But
(10:27):
I do I hate the idea of trying to bait
someone into saying something controversial about something that no one
has done anything wrong, Like there is no Katie and
Orlando were never even married. Actually Orlando Bloom they split
after nine years together, so they were never even married.
They share a daughter together, but they seem to have
an amicable split as well, so no one has done
(10:50):
anything wrong. It appears in any of these But.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
If everybody's being honest, no matter what public eye, are not,
and nobody wants somebody you or in a relation of
caring and loving a successful one for a long time,
to see that person then happy with somebody else. Now,
that's just a lot of people can stomach. I'm not
saying everybody's We've seen great stories of people and couples,
(11:14):
And think about our guy. I think he talks about
it guardier, right, he talks about having this blended family
where exes are all involved. More power to you, But
I just that's not the norm.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Well, look, yes, you're right, that is not the norm.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
But I would say if there really was love there,
if there really was respect there, then you would want
that person to be happy, truly, especially if they're the
father of your children. I know that's idealistic and not
probably that practical, but I do. I want to believe
that it can happen, and I'm hopeful, like this is
maybe what we're looking at, that you can be that
you could have loved somebody and respect them enough as
at least having been someone you loved and having been
(11:49):
the father and having are the father of your children
that you would want the best for them. You would
want a happy father for your children.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, it's just hard to see that not that person,
not just be in another relationship, but being celebrated, almost
being uplifted, being spotlighted constantly in such a way. And
that person is high profile, she is successful, she's an
international star.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
It's just there's a lot there, and we all do
it as human nature. We size each other up.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And your daughter probably looks up to her because we
just mentioned Justin took his daughter that would be Sophie's
daughter as well to go see Katie in concerts.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
So that has to be a little difficult to process.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Okay, so I didn't plan on stuff, but it was
right there on top of mine after you said it,
so I wanted to pause, but yes, get into what
she did actually say, and I roamed this was this
is impressive stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I was very impressed with what she said.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
So after she was prompted by the podcasting host to
kind of say something perhaps even negative or I can't
believe you can keep your cool. I wouldn't be able
to do it. This is what Sophie said. She said,
we're human beings and stuff affects us normal. How do
you rea to stuff is your decision. So I choose
to try to listen to the music instead of the noise.
(13:06):
I am very aware that a lot of public stuff
out there can be triggers. What I do with it
is my decision. The woman I want to become through
this is my decision. Does that mean I don't have
emotions that I don't cry, scream, laugh, No, especially that
I'm a super tender heart, right, But it's my decision
(13:28):
after that, between the emotion and the reaction.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
I loved how she put that.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Oh yeah, this lady's been through some stuff. Does this
lady you, I would dare say, it's hard to find
somebody who can give that answer that's younger than fifty.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
It's hard to add act.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I'm serious that that woman has been through some stuff.
She has studied, she has read it. It is familiar,
and I love it. It does not matter what is
out there in the world, it's what's in you, and
that's going to cause your reaction. Oh my goodness, this
lady is giving a master class.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
She went on to say a few more things. Yeah,
I was. I was so impressed.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I'm so impressed because this isn't like a prepared statement,
and I'm sure she knew that the podcasting host was
going to obviously try to get her to say something,
but this really felt heartfelt, and I loved how she
put it. So she went on to say, I'll let
myself be disappointed by someone. I'll let myself be angry,
be sad, And I know for a fact how important
it is as a mental health advocate to feel those emotions.
(14:29):
I'm also learning at fifty that people will meet life
as where they are inside of them. It's your choice
to see that and be like, how am I going
to let that affect my happiness?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Oh? I didn't even know that was the quote.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Well what's that thing again about what's inside of them?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (14:46):
She said, they will meet life with what's inside of them.
Oh wow, So it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
And this is when you get to a certain part
of your life, you're going to have experienced some sort
of heartbreak, some sort of disappointment, and some sort of
and some of it will be perhaps not as public
and painful in that regard. But these are all lessons
each and every one of us can use.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
And learn in our own lives.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
With whatever didn't go the way we wanted it to,
if we felt shame or humiliation of bet our ego
got bruised, this woman nailed it and how she responded.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
You know, every relationship a good, bad, beginning, middle in whatever, show, serious, silly, whatever,
anything happen to do for relationships dating, there are lessons
right there in front of us every single time. I love, love,
love this, but still robes in the midst of all this.
(15:38):
We can go back and forth all day, but people
still end up with this question, when is it actually
okay to move on? We'll answer that after the breaks.
They hear, all right, folks, welcome back. I mean, you
(15:59):
teach you. I probably didn't set that up the right way.
I said, we're going to answer this question when we
come back, when is it okay to move on? And
I don't know if there is a right answer to
that question because of so many things role but what
we're talking about here, I mean, Justin Trudeau has been
separated from his wife for two full years. He ends
(16:21):
up dating someone he didn't initially flaunted. They weren't out there,
they were trying to have dinner somewhere. Okay, fine, you
can make the argument they should have been more discreet.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
After two years, I honestly don't know. But what is
or when is it okay, And where do you factor
in the fact that the divorce isn't official and the
fact that they are public figures.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Now here's what I actually have a very strong feeling
about this, having had marriages and relationships begin and end
in the public eye, so to speak, and ways, And
here's what I would tell every person. And you know
this is the truth from your own personal experiences. You
cannot Yes, you can give a date of separation. You
(17:10):
can give a date of divorce. You can give a
date where one spouse or one person in the relationship
moved out. Fine, but can you put a date on
when your marriage actually ended? And I think it's always
always months and sometimes years before you actually acknowledge it
and admit it. So I always want to give people
(17:31):
some grace because by the time you get to a
point where you have now made the move out or
signed the papers or filed the papers, or has had
the conversation that you don't want to be with that person,
it's been inside of you for a long time.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Most likely, these things don't happen overnight.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
So by the time you then move out and you're
kind of a lot of folks might already be lonely, numb,
ready for some thing else, or ready for love again
because they haven't had love for months or years. Perhaps,
So I just think for every relationship it's different. But
there are so many things that happened behind the scenes
(18:11):
and perhaps even in ways that weren't overtly discussed or acknowledged,
but were still a part of your life. So you
might have been like actually kind of dead inside for
a long time, you might be really ready.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
For a new relationship.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
So I don't think you can say what the proper
amount of time is because it's so different for each person.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
That is a very good point. That is as laid
out and well put as I could ever do.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
So, but that's true. There are people.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Who who move out on a Tuesday and they are
primed for dating on Wednesday, correct, because they put that
relationship to bed a long time ago, long time ago.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So I know people do.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Look, we've had tons of relationship experience, like you said,
and then out of the public eye. But when you
that is, I think that's one place where personally or
privately folks can understand it, but publicly you immediately get judged.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
For WHOA, that's too fast.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
People at that time.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
So yeah, they want that to explain to them.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yeah, they want to.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Say, you should do this, then you should wait this
amount of time, and then you should do that. But
it's so easy to say when you actually don't know
all the details, and no one can possibly know. Every
relationship is so unique and so different, and people are
in much different phases of that relationship than they've acknowledged publicly,
and a lot of and a lot of these relationships.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Look they Katie and Justin, this is where life is
and where life is taking them, and they all I
see is pictures they look happy and look knock yourselves out.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I just I.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I am rooting for anybody who is who is happy,
who's not hurting somebody else, not hurting yourself, like yourself out.
And I didn't know much about his wife, but she
is by the way she handled herself and by what
she said. I am a fan and I don't know
anything about her other than this.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
This podcast is yes, And I just thought it was
so cool because what Sophie said, she said it better
than I could have ever actually articulated it, because it
just resonated with me. I think anyone who's been through
anything difficult to be able to actually reclaim power. I
think so often the default, I will say for women
(20:41):
is to be the victim and to blame. Look what
happened to me, Look what he did to me, Look
what that other person did to me. I love that
she is owning it and saying what I do with
what happened is my decision and the woman that I
want to become through this is my decision. How empowering,
how cool? And I love that she's owning it. This
(21:03):
is not what we typically see and hear, and I
love that this was her response. I want to read
and reread her comments because this is how we take
back our It's funny we all want to in our ego,
want to blame someone else so we can defend and deflect.
But when you actually own your role in everything and
(21:24):
own the power you actually have and don't put it
on someone else for how you feel, that is the
way forward.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
So bravo Sophie, Greg Buire.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
We are very appreciative of your words, and thank you
everyone for listening to us.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I maybe Robock alongside TJ. Holmes, we will talk to
uls
Have you heard, Well, sure you have, because everybody is talking.
Justin Trudeau has a new girlfriend, and everybody seems to
be talking about that. But Justin Trudeau also has a wife.
She's talking too.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
You know what, we like this lady. And with that,
welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We celebrating, right.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
A lot of people are very excited about Justin Trudeau
and Katy Perry dating Canadians. It's fun. It makes sense.
They're available, both recently out of long term relationships. This
seemed to be something people endorsed.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yes, they look great together. I think everyone they look
happy together. And it's been interesting because they are official,
I guess because they made the choice to walk out
of that cabaret show hand in hand. It was her birthday,
so they never actually released a statement or put anything
on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Okay, wait, do they have to, babe?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I don't think so, because when you walk out of
a restaurant on your birthday when you know, speculation because
there were some other photos that were taken earlier, a
month or so prior, and so yes, they made the decision.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
But I guess they're calling this a soft launch of
a relationship.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You don't have to talk about it, but just the
mere act of holding your hand. You know, the paparazzi's
going to be there, you know the cameras are going
to be there.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
And now you're.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Saying, okay, I want to put that to RESK because
they haven't officially done whatever, put out some statement these
two are dating.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yes, okay, we're good, Yes, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I just want to make sure I'm not missing something here,
because there were some people even wanting to be cautious,
if you will, after they walked out holding hands. What
else are we talking about here other than that? Okay,
thank you for tearing.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
All that of one of those What else could it be?
So even by process of elimination, obviously they're dating.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
So through all this and romes, I didn't keep up,
but I didn't realize. It's been two years since the
announcement of Justin Trudeau's separation from his still but a
strange wife at this point.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Right. Yes, her name is Sophie greg Guar. I'm not
really good at French names, but yeah, Sophie greg War.
She's fifty years old. They announced their separation in August
of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
So yes, more than two years ago.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So that was a big deal at the time. He
was still I believe prime minister he was at a
time of that announcement. These two have been together for
a long time. She has been a part of national politics.
People know her. She had her own career in journalism,
she's an advocate. So this was a This was their camelot,
if you will. He comes from a family and it
has a whole background. Everything's great. How old are the.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Kids they are right now, I've got their ages, so
eighteen years of eighteen years of marriage. And yes they
have Xavier who's eighteen, Ella Grace who is sixteen, and
Hadrian who is eleven.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Okay, now they announced their separation and I think folk
we don't follow that closely politics in Canada, but we
know him and when her they were getting separated, and
just kind of oh, it just kind of.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Sucked or this, as you mentioned, like the camelot of Canada.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
They were a beautiful couple.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
She was a former model, TV presenter, so yes, they
were a beautiful couple with a beautiful family.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
And I think especially when you see them.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Leading the nation and showing up as representing your country,
people are rooting for you.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah, you look great, you seem great.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Everyone wants to believe you are great because we all,
like I think, to have couples and families to model
our own after to say, look at them, they've made it,
they figured it out. Look how happy they are. Maybe
I can be happy too. So when, yeah, those relationships
fail somehow, it puts a little chink in our trust
that our relationship is going to be able to succeed
as well.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
You know, That's what it was.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I was very, very hopeful, and so this was like, oh, well,
that one couldn't work. I was hopeful that one could. Okay, fine,
But even when that happened, right robes. Look, we're used
to it here or in the US, of a celebrity breakup,
and there be a lot of tabloid headlines and a
lot of that is to come. I don't remember necessarily.
(04:00):
Please correct me if I'm wrong, But it didn't seem
like there was a lot of mess surrounding their separation.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
No, it didn't seem like that was the case at all.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
And in fact, they both put out statements and they
both seemed to you know, it was one of those
friendly recoparenting please respect our privacy, but you know, our
family is being put first.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA YadA. But yeah, it was just
that there was.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
No scandal, there were no rumors, there was no whispering,
not that I saw or read anywhere.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So here we go fast forward and Robes, I forgot
about it, he of course says, since not been. He's
not the prime minister anymore. He's still active and around.
But I didn't think about it again until I see
of course, I guess it was the summer that first
picture of him and Katy Perry having a dinner. Now,
(04:49):
when I first saw that, I pooh pooed Itai was
a big deal.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I mentioned it to you and you were like, please,
they're just they're they're both, you know, in the same
city and they're Canadians, and yeah they yeah, didn't think.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It was a big deal. Didn't think it was a
big deal. I don't remember when it got more serious.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
What was the next thing, because then they found well,
first of all, after that dining together in that Montreal restaurant,
then Justin Trudeau was spotted in the crowd at Perry's
concert there in the city with his teenage daughter so
he had his daughter with him.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
But they were there at her concert.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
And then there were some pictures, some paparazzi pictures of
them on a boat together.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Okay. The daughter thing I could explain away as well. Right,
his daughter wants to go see Katy Perry. Hey, I
got the hook up. It's your hero dad to take
your daughter something like that. Okay. The yacht thing, I
don't remember that. The boat pictures, I didn't see those.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
It was Katy Perry's yacht.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Okay, but it was obvious that it was.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yes, they they seemed like they were more than friends.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
They looked friendly. Were there other people? Was he one
of several on this boat?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Or I can try to pull out the picture enough
to be able to kind of answer, but it would
see as though they were captured enjoying their butting romance.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Okay, so now if we don't have to debate about
the next one.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
They were what was it last month?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yes, Paris her birthday, Paris the Crazy Horse, Perry's birthday,
exiting when they knew the cameras were there, hand in hand.
She had a beautiful red dress on, so she was
dressed to impress. He had a dark suit on. They
looked great together walking out. They knew what they were doing.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
They were ready. This was their announcement without having to
put any words to it.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Okay, And that's fine. And to your point, that picture
was perfect. Those were two people who knew we were
about to go viral.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yes, we were about to make it official without having
to utter a word.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
So as we have been watching I guess robes that
first dinner date and then him showing up at the
concert and there he is on the boat and here
they are holding hands. As we were watching it, there
was somebody else watching all this apparently as well.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yes, his a stranged wife.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Estranged sounds so awful, I know it has. It just
sounds like it has a negative connotation. But what we're
talking about they've been separated, yes right.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yes, soon to be x A strange look divorce. I
don't know how it works in Canada, but oftentimes, as
anyone who has been through it knows, sometimes they're not
as quick as you'd like them to be. So there's
it doesn't even have to mean they're contentious. It just
sometimes takes.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
A long time.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And so yeah, these two had been married for eighteen
years and we had not heard yet from Sophie publicly
since these pictures, since it first started as rumors, then photos,
and then of course the soft launch of their relationship,
we have not heard her reaction. And so, yeah, she
is still technically his wife, but obviously they have been
(07:48):
a part living separate lives for more than two years
at this point. And so she actually went on a
podcast this week, and the host is always funny to
watch how people try to slide it and the question
that they actually really want to ask the entire time.
So as she's being interviewed about a myriad of different topics,
the host basically addressed Justin Trudeau's relationship with Katy Perry, saying,
(08:13):
I don't know how you stay cool, and I really
admire it because I would probably not be that. I'm
not sure if the implication is it somehow, because your
soon to be ex husband has moved on with a
public figure, you're supposed to be wrecked or horrified or
not cool with that. But she was clearly baiting her
in that question.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
What was the last part of that?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
She said, I don't know how you stay cool, and
I really admire it because I would probably not be that.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't know what that means. You tell me, as
a woman, what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
She's trying to get her to say that I'm upset, okay,
that Justin is dating Katy Perry. I'm upset that he's
out in the public eye in front of cameras with
another woman.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I took it as she was saying something sincerely about
where she might have been the situation, versus her just
trying to get an answer out of a response time.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
It could be a little truth to both, but I
sincerely believe she was trying to kind of say, yeah, girl,
I get you. I understand that must be tough, because man,
I don't know if I could stay cool if I
saw my ex husband dating Katie Perry. So it was
kind of like trying to commiserate but also trying to
get her to jump on that shit.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Should I stop there about that point? I don't know
if to wait for the end, because that's an important point.
Why or what point can anyone stop being upset at
the person they were with has moved on after two years? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I mean I think that out of respect for the
person who you spent eighteen years with, who you raised children,
with who you made a mutual decision with. It seems
as though that was the case in this one, particularly
you actually you can maybe personally.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Of course, there might be.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Some sadness or it might be hard to look at
or hard to watch.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
But that's to be expected.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
But it's also no one's done anything wrong here, So
I actually I hate the idea of pot stirring, like
trying to get a woman to say something bad about
another woman or some sort of you know, negative comment
about their ex husband's new romance because it's in the
public eye, maybe because Katy Perry is a decade or
so younger than her, you know, who knows what, But
(10:27):
I do I hate the idea of trying to bait
someone into saying something controversial about something that no one
has done anything wrong, Like there is no Katie and
Orlando were never even married. Actually Orlando Bloom they split
after nine years together, so they were never even married.
They share a daughter together, but they seem to have
an amicable split as well, so no one has done
(10:50):
anything wrong. It appears in any of these But.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
If everybody's being honest, no matter what public eye, are not,
and nobody wants somebody you or in a relation of
caring and loving a successful one for a long time,
to see that person then happy with somebody else. Now,
that's just a lot of people can stomach. I'm not
saying everybody's We've seen great stories of people and couples,
(11:14):
And think about our guy. I think he talks about
it guardier, right, he talks about having this blended family
where exes are all involved. More power to you, But
I just that's not the norm.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Well, look, yes, you're right, that is not the norm.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
But I would say if there really was love there,
if there really was respect there, then you would want
that person to be happy, truly, especially if they're the
father of your children. I know that's idealistic and not
probably that practical, but I do. I want to believe
that it can happen, and I'm hopeful, like this is
maybe what we're looking at, that you can be that
you could have loved somebody and respect them enough as
at least having been someone you loved and having been
(11:49):
the father and having are the father of your children
that you would want the best for them. You would
want a happy father for your children.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, it's just hard to see that not that person,
not just be in another relationship, but being celebrated, almost
being uplifted, being spotlighted constantly in such a way. And
that person is high profile, she is successful, she's an
international star.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
It's just there's a lot there, and we all do
it as human nature. We size each other up.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And your daughter probably looks up to her because we
just mentioned Justin took his daughter that would be Sophie's
daughter as well to go see Katie in concerts.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
So that has to be a little difficult to process.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Okay, so I didn't plan on stuff, but it was
right there on top of mine after you said it,
so I wanted to pause, but yes, get into what
she did actually say, and I roamed this was this
is impressive stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I was very impressed with what she said.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
So after she was prompted by the podcasting host to
kind of say something perhaps even negative or I can't
believe you can keep your cool. I wouldn't be able
to do it. This is what Sophie said. She said,
we're human beings and stuff affects us normal. How do
you rea to stuff is your decision. So I choose
to try to listen to the music instead of the noise.
(13:06):
I am very aware that a lot of public stuff
out there can be triggers. What I do with it
is my decision. The woman I want to become through
this is my decision. Does that mean I don't have
emotions that I don't cry, scream, laugh, No, especially that
I'm a super tender heart, right, But it's my decision
(13:28):
after that, between the emotion and the reaction.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
I loved how she put that.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Oh yeah, this lady's been through some stuff. Does this
lady you, I would dare say, it's hard to find
somebody who can give that answer that's younger than fifty.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
It's hard to add act.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I'm serious that that woman has been through some stuff.
She has studied, she has read it. It is familiar,
and I love it. It does not matter what is
out there in the world, it's what's in you, and
that's going to cause your reaction. Oh my goodness, this
lady is giving a master class.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
She went on to say a few more things. Yeah,
I was. I was so impressed.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I'm so impressed because this isn't like a prepared statement,
and I'm sure she knew that the podcasting host was
going to obviously try to get her to say something,
but this really felt heartfelt, and I loved how she
put it. So she went on to say, I'll let
myself be disappointed by someone. I'll let myself be angry,
be sad, And I know for a fact how important
it is as a mental health advocate to feel those emotions.
(14:29):
I'm also learning at fifty that people will meet life
as where they are inside of them. It's your choice
to see that and be like, how am I going
to let that affect my happiness?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Oh? I didn't even know that was the quote.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Well what's that thing again about what's inside of them?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (14:46):
She said, they will meet life with what's inside of them.
Oh wow, So it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
And this is when you get to a certain part
of your life, you're going to have experienced some sort
of heartbreak, some sort of disappointment, and some sort of
and some of it will be perhaps not as public
and painful in that regard. But these are all lessons
each and every one of us can use.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
And learn in our own lives.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
With whatever didn't go the way we wanted it to,
if we felt shame or humiliation of bet our ego
got bruised, this woman nailed it and how she responded.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
You know, every relationship a good, bad, beginning, middle in whatever, show, serious, silly, whatever,
anything happen to do for relationships dating, there are lessons
right there in front of us every single time. I love, love,
love this, but still robes in the midst of all this.
(15:38):
We can go back and forth all day, but people
still end up with this question, when is it actually
okay to move on? We'll answer that after the breaks.
They hear, all right, folks, welcome back. I mean, you
(15:59):
teach you. I probably didn't set that up the right way.
I said, we're going to answer this question when we
come back, when is it okay to move on? And
I don't know if there is a right answer to
that question because of so many things role but what
we're talking about here, I mean, Justin Trudeau has been
separated from his wife for two full years. He ends
(16:21):
up dating someone he didn't initially flaunted. They weren't out there,
they were trying to have dinner somewhere. Okay, fine, you
can make the argument they should have been more discreet.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
After two years, I honestly don't know. But what is
or when is it okay, And where do you factor
in the fact that the divorce isn't official and the
fact that they are public figures.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Now here's what I actually have a very strong feeling
about this, having had marriages and relationships begin and end
in the public eye, so to speak, and ways, And
here's what I would tell every person. And you know
this is the truth from your own personal experiences. You
cannot Yes, you can give a date of separation. You
(17:10):
can give a date of divorce. You can give a
date where one spouse or one person in the relationship
moved out. Fine, but can you put a date on
when your marriage actually ended? And I think it's always
always months and sometimes years before you actually acknowledge it
and admit it. So I always want to give people
(17:31):
some grace because by the time you get to a
point where you have now made the move out or
signed the papers or filed the papers, or has had
the conversation that you don't want to be with that person,
it's been inside of you for a long time.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Most likely, these things don't happen overnight.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
So by the time you then move out and you're
kind of a lot of folks might already be lonely, numb,
ready for some thing else, or ready for love again
because they haven't had love for months or years. Perhaps,
So I just think for every relationship it's different. But
there are so many things that happened behind the scenes
(18:11):
and perhaps even in ways that weren't overtly discussed or acknowledged,
but were still a part of your life. So you
might have been like actually kind of dead inside for
a long time, you might be really ready.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
For a new relationship.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
So I don't think you can say what the proper
amount of time is because it's so different for each person.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
That is a very good point. That is as laid
out and well put as I could ever do.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
So, but that's true. There are people.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Who who move out on a Tuesday and they are
primed for dating on Wednesday, correct, because they put that
relationship to bed a long time ago, long time ago.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So I know people do.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Look, we've had tons of relationship experience, like you said,
and then out of the public eye. But when you
that is, I think that's one place where personally or
privately folks can understand it, but publicly you immediately get judged.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
For WHOA, that's too fast.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
People at that time.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
So yeah, they want that to explain to them.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yeah, they want to.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Say, you should do this, then you should wait this
amount of time, and then you should do that. But
it's so easy to say when you actually don't know
all the details, and no one can possibly know. Every
relationship is so unique and so different, and people are
in much different phases of that relationship than they've acknowledged publicly,
and a lot of and a lot of these relationships.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Look they Katie and Justin, this is where life is
and where life is taking them, and they all I
see is pictures they look happy and look knock yourselves out.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I just I.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I am rooting for anybody who is who is happy,
who's not hurting somebody else, not hurting yourself, like yourself out.
And I didn't know much about his wife, but she
is by the way she handled herself and by what
she said. I am a fan and I don't know
anything about her other than this.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
This podcast is yes, And I just thought it was
so cool because what Sophie said, she said it better
than I could have ever actually articulated it, because it
just resonated with me. I think anyone who's been through
anything difficult to be able to actually reclaim power. I
think so often the default, I will say for women
(20:41):
is to be the victim and to blame. Look what
happened to me, Look what he did to me, Look
what that other person did to me. I love that
she is owning it and saying what I do with
what happened is my decision and the woman that I
want to become through this is my decision. How empowering,
how cool? And I love that she's owning it. This
(21:03):
is not what we typically see and hear, and I
love that this was her response. I want to read
and reread her comments because this is how we take
back our It's funny we all want to in our ego,
want to blame someone else so we can defend and deflect.
But when you actually own your role in everything and
(21:24):
own the power you actually have and don't put it
on someone else for how you feel, that is the
way forward.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
So bravo Sophie, Greg Buire.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
We are very appreciative of your words, and thank you
everyone for listening to us.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I maybe Robock alongside TJ. Holmes, we will talk to
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