November 4, 2024 • 37 mins
First was The Golden Wedding… then came The Golden Divorce, but Theresa Nist is ready to share everything that happened.
Theresa is here with Ben and Ashley to take us through her split with Gerry Turner, what their relationship was like after the Golden Wedding, and what REALLY went down after she was confronted by Kathy Swarts.
Plus, we find out who Theresa would date from Joan’s cast on The Golden Bachelorette!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we
have somebody who've never had here before, which is wild,
but we were so grateful to have her. It is
Teresa Nice.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hello Teresa, Hello Ashlam so happy to be here.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Hello Teresa, Well, then, so happy to be here, Theresa.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I got to start out by saying that, like, I
feel guilty, guilty for being at your wedding is because like,
how did it feel to have so many people there,
the vast majority of people there that you had never
met before.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah, I know that was strange.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
You know, I was expecting it, but I had no
idea who was going to be there. It made it
more exciting because I knew you from watching The Bachelor,
and so I was awestruck that so many wonderful people
were there, and people that I had, like I actually
had watched The Bachelor with my husband who passed away,
and so it was exciting.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
But you know, you're right, so very different.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
But Nice, I didn't even get to meet you that
day because I said high and we met Gary and
then I was like, this man doesn't even want why
does he want why would you want to waste his
time with people that he's never met before meeting them
on their wedding day. So I saw you covered with people. Oh,
you know, like, no, we get a chance. We'll get
a chance. I don't want to like, yeah, he'sel my
way and take time away from people. She actually knows.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I watched it back and I saw you and it
was so much fun to watch it back because it
was a really, really good party. It was so nice,
So thank you for being there.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
I would actually say it was probably within Bachelor Nation,
the biggest event since I would actually I mean Jadan
Tanner's wedding. Yeah, it would be since Jadent Tanner's wedding.
I mean, yeah, it's been many years since we did
something like that, that they agreed to do something like that.
That's where I want to start this conversation.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Sure that sounds good.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
We're going to dive into all the details and all
the ups and downs and all the good and the
badge of this experience. But in general, if you could
give us kind of a summary of your experience on
The Golden Bachelor, should you look back on it now?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Okay? Sure, So you know, in the beginning it's just
a fluke.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
You fill out an application, you don't think anything's ever
going to come of it, and when you get that
first call, you don't even believe it, and you know
that it's a very long process.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
So when I first found out.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That it was Gary, my first reaction, and my daughter
was there, I said, oh, I don't know if I
could move. I don't know that I could do that,
and she said, give it a chance. She said, just
try go. It was an open mind, and I said, yeah,
I do have an open mind. So I went there,
and I'll tell you that when I was introdu when
I was interviewing with the producers, they said that it
(02:50):
was going to start on August third, and I said, oh,
my birthday's August fourth, and they said, and so he
said you could come in with a birthday cake, and
in my head I said, or I could come.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
In in my birthday, which was just a joke. And I said,
dare I say that out loud?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And I said it out loud and he goes, you're hired,
which wasn't true at the time, and then they loved
that idea so much.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I couldn't get out of it. And I said, I
couldn't get out of it. They don't know you're sticking
with it.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
And when I saw Gary, I thought, oh my god,
he has the same story as me. He was married
to his childhood sweetheart. She passed away unexpectedly. They were
married about the same number of years. I said, I
don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to
do it.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I want to just.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Talk to him heart to heart and show him who
I am. And they said no, and I said okay,
and we did it. And I was so nervous, I mean,
coming out of the limo, so excited to meet these
other women, couldn't wait to meet the women. And when
I walked out and I went next to Gary, I
was immediately attracted. And I was in my head saying,
(03:53):
oh my god, I'm really attracted to him.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
How is this, you know?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And I just looked at him and I spontaneously kissed him,
like is so to say, oh, welcome home, darling. At
the end of the day, it was it just I
felt very comfortable with him immediately. And so that night
I would say that the two times that I was
really myself because after a certain incident, I wasn't able
(04:17):
to be myself was that night when I sat on
the bench and she said, if I eat this.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Cupcake, will you lick the icing off my lips? And
I said, yeah, do it, do it? And that was me,
like that was real.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I was really I went into this really trying to
be myself. And my daughter had written me this beautiful
letter and it makes me cry every time I read it,
and I tried to read it to him, but it
was like four o'clock in the morning, my contact lenses
were glued to my eyes and I could only see
like a part of it. So I kind of made
up the rest. But one thing that she said was
just think the whole world was going to get to
(04:51):
know you, and I just, you know, gonna cry. And
so I wanted that to be my experience. And then
and then I get the first date, and I honestly
didn't want the first date. I just felt like there
were all eyes on me then and maybe a target
on my back, and I'm going, there's sixteen women here,
like how many dates are there? Because the filming was
(05:13):
only in four weeks, I think there might have been
nine episodes, but it was only four weeks, so it
was accelerated because they didn't know if this was going
to be good or not, if it was going to
be popular. So the next morning, and this is on
the show. So it's nothing I'm telling you that I
haven't said, but you may have missed it because I
(05:33):
said it really quickly.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Kathy came up to me and.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Said, you're the one's It's not me, it's you. And
I said, why are you saying that, Kathy? You know
there's sixteen women here. It could be anyone. I never
thought I was the one. And she said, you're his type.
I'm not his type. And then she became pretty much
my best friend. And so when you're in an environment
(05:56):
like that and you're used to having so many women
in your life to talk to. I have my daughter,
I've got two sisters, I have a daughter in law.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I've got so many friends. And the next morning I
come back from the date.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Gary had said on the date, I'm sick of the lake.
I'm sick of getting that boat in and out of
the water. I want to move to Charleston, North Carolina.
I said, no, Charleston's in South Carolina, And in my head,
I'm going, oh, my God, like, what are the chances
my son lives in South Carolina? You really, I'm going, okay, now,
(06:28):
I'm really open to the possibility.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Let me pause you there, though, real quick, did he
know your son lived there?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
No, you have no idea he didn't know.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And so I, you know, I'm excited the next morning,
and so I think I can confide in Kathy. And
that was naive and my party shouldn't have done it.
And I'm excited. I'm want to tell someone. And I
just said the date was really great, and I forget
exactly what I said, but he said even moved, do
you want to move to South Carolina? And I guess
it was misinterpreted as Teresa things she's got this, And
(06:59):
I never though I had it. I never thought that.
I just thought, Okay, now I can really think about
maybe this could work.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So this is the incident that you're saying, that was
the fact you weren't able to ever feel yourself myself.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
I just couldn't.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I was mortified, Like I was telling me producers, I
want to talk to Kathy. She's my good friend and
God bless her. I love Kathy. You know this was
just the mechanics of the show. I forgot I was
in a competitive environment, and so I said I was
forcing it, saying I want to talk to Kathy.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
I really want to talk to Kathy.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
And then when I sat on those steps and she
accused me of being dismissive, I was absolutely mortified.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I wanted to melt into the floor. I wanted to
just leave right then. And I said, oh my.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
God, it's too late, this is filmed. People are going
to see this. My face turns completely red. This is
complete anguish I was going through. And I ran up
to the bedroom and Faith comforted me, and my intention
was to leave.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
I really, I just really couldn't.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I didn't think I wanted to stay there, and they
convinced me to stay. But from that point on, I
censored everything I said. I just you know, I couldn't
really be myself.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
So you'll see me.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I was really genuinely happy for everybody who got a
chance to be with Gary.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I mean, Leslie and I were just such great friends.
On the show.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Gook dinner for her, She taught me dances. I was
great friends with Faith and with Ellen and Edith and everyone,
and except that the people that were in Kathy's room,
I felt a coldness. So I felt I was being
judged and that's just me, so you know, I take
that as my responsibility. But Trista had come on the
show and someone had asked her, were you okay with
(08:41):
Ryan going out with other women? And she said, oh no,
I wanted to see him be with other women. And
I said to her, oh my god, justin that's exactly
how I feel. I wanted Gary to explore it with
every single person, so he was sure he was with
the right person. And then when we had the second
confrontation on the tennis court and Kathy said, what you said,
(09:02):
I said, that's fine, Like, if you were meant to
be with him, just you should be with him. So
I never ever thought that I was the one that
wasn't the case.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
There's a few things there that stand out to me.
One is, I think you pointed to it at the beginning,
was you had the first date, so there's a target
on your back, and so this was you were kind
of the one that the eyes were going to be
glued to, going what is her next move? That makes sense.
It happens all the time. You knew it was going
to happen. We knew it was going to happen. I
want to talk a little bit about what you're when
(09:32):
you said you censored yourself, because it obviously worked like
your censorship led you to end up with Gary, So
you kind of holding back of who you were. Oh,
and so I want to get clarity on how you
like how you censored it with Gary or if you
still felt like you didn't have to with him. But
only when you existed in the mansion.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah, that's a really good question. It was only when
I existed in the mansion. And how I censored myself
was I'm usually talkative and outgoing and and joyful, and
I would have said so much more, but I just
I held back. I didn't say anything. I just kind
of like, if you look through the whole season, I'm
probably just nodding and.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Smiling and I'm not saying much.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I was just so terrified that I was going to
say the wrong thing again and do the wrong thing.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
And so, yeah, it changed my entire experience.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
But Okay, I could have just said to myself, Okay,
it doesn't matter, and I thought I could do that,
but I couldn't, which, you know, it's on me.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
It's totally on me that that happened.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Are you sensitive about this because of the way that
perhaps people just saw your character throughout the show, or
your friendships with the ladies because you won, Like normally
we would be concentrating on that, and yeah, you had
with Gary, but for you, this seems to be the
(10:53):
thing that stands out the most.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Yeah, no, I'm it did.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I was able to be myself when I was with Gary,
you know, but during that time I was on one
one on one date and then two group dates, so
not that much time with him.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
And I'm going to tell you my grandson said it best.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I was in my room with my daughter and my grandson, Henry,
and we were waiting for me to go out to
get married.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
And Henry Pipes. Do you know Henry.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I don't know if you've seen him, but he speaks
his mind. He's the one on the show that said,
I know you could be the new pop up.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And he said, yeah, he goes just st of this.
You had one date and you're getting married.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Oh my god, I said, imagine if they like they
let put that on a big screen.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I'm waiting to go out there and get married.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
So yeah, so I would say that people wouldn't have
known that I censored myself. But when I was on
the tennis court with I don't know if you remember
that scene with Kathy and she said, oh, guess what
like last night I was with Gary and you're out,
no man, And I truly felt like, okay, if that's
the truth thing, yes, he should be with you. And
(12:04):
I don't think that that got across that. I'm an
extremely open minded person. I would never want to force
anybody to be with me. I wouldn't want that. And
when we were together, yeah, we had conversations. You know,
you've been on the show that didn't you didn't see.
We had some conversations you didn't see. So yes, I
(12:24):
felt that. I thought before I went on the show
that I could just truly be myself and I was
going to pretend the cameras weren't there, and then I
became very self conscious.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Those relationships obviously were around a lot of the golden
you know, contestants. Those relationships have been healed. I think
there is a clarity and understanding now and that all
kind of yes comes through, and a lot of them
came to your wedding. This leads up to a question.
I think a lot of fans are one. Obviously, you know,
your experience on the show had its ups and downs.
(13:06):
You know, you did have the runs in with Kathy
and you did have, you know, these these high and
low moments, and then you end up with Gary at
the end, and you had been on one date with him,
and you had kind of been opened to the idea
of him dating other people, and if he chose you, awesome,
and you guys could celebrate that. But then you decide
to say yes to this wedding that was, as we
(13:28):
said at the beginning, one of the biggest things to
happen in Bachelor Nations since you know, Jaden Tanner's wedding.
But you said yes to it with confidence. I'm assuming yeah,
or maybe not. But what made you at that point
feel like, yes, this is something I want to do
now like this, I am so good moving forward in
this relationship to the point of marriage after you know,
(13:53):
even your grandson said, you've only been on one date.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah, So you know, so I went into the really
looking to fall in love and I did. And we said, Okay,
they're offering this to us now. They weren't offering it later,
it was now, and we said, if we really are
going to get married. We should do it because we're
(14:17):
going to get the wedding of our dreams and we
are older, and why waste any time do it now.
So if there was a time constraint on the offer,
it wasn't like, Okay, you could do it this month,
or you could do it next year, or you could
do it in six months. That wasn't the offer. And
so we did it because with the faith and hope
(14:38):
that we were eventually really going to get married, and
so let's do it now they're offering this to us.
We'll have our friends and family there, it will be
whatever you.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Know, and we did.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I'll tell you, Mindy Weiss did a spectacular job, like
the flowers of the dance floor, the band, everything was
just absolutely gorgeous.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
The interesting part for the viewers and you, in all clarity,
you got upset with me because on a podcast I
had said, I don't know if you ever listened to
the whole episode, because we've always been very supportive. Yes,
So that was my comment to you is you have
to listen to the whole thing because we've always been
very supportive of you. Here. We're big fans of you.
We thought you and Gary match very well together. But
(15:21):
on the podcast, we had heard or I had heard,
I guess I should, you know, take the blame here
that one of the big factors to your to the
two of you then deciding to get a divorce was
a couple things. And I think if we spoke about
it outside of the Bachelor world, we would say that
the two of you didn't see eye to eye on
geographic location. The two of you didn't see eye to
(15:41):
eye on the two spots that you two were living.
The rumors were that there was a big argument about Indiana,
the place that I'm from, that there's a lot of
farmland in Indiana, there is a lot of places of
open space in India. There ain't a lot going on in Indiana.
I and we all know that you've been there. I'm
sure you've visited for you know, the lake a few times.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And I'm a Jersey girl, and I understand that Jersey's
got everything right around the corner.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
I'm going to tell you exactly what happened.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
So I wanted to be clear and say that you
got upset with me, and that the intention was to
never try to throw you under the bus. The intention
was never to do that, because that's not what we
would want to do to you here. However, the idea
was that both I guess at the time when we
talked about this on the show, was I have I
see it from one lens where I'm like, I grew
up there. I get it. There's a lot of open space.
(16:33):
Ashley sees it from another lens, which would be, how
in the world do you exist in a place that
has so much open space. There's two types of people
in the world. Both exist, both are you know, there's
no right or wrong necessarily. So that's what we said,
and I want to get clarity from you now on
what exactly happened. Okay, good to lead to this moment
where you said, we can't do this any longer.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Okay, So I'm going to clarify that moment when I
tell you exactly what I said. So we're driving from
the airport and it was like three hours and we're
getting closer to Gary's house.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
She's not wrong, by the way, it is, I know
where he lived. It's three hours close to any airport.
It sucks. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
So I see this open land. I don't see crops.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I just think it's flat land and I go, oh, wow,
you could build town homes there, That's all I said.
And Gary said, oh, so you want to take the
farmer's land away from him. I go, note to sell,
don't say that again. I said, oh no, I didn't
know that was farmland. He said, there's a thing in
the Midwest. I'd rather give you one acre of my
I'd rather give you one of my daughters and give
(17:38):
you one of my acre of land.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
And I said, don't ever say it again. But the
quote was, Oh, look at this land. You can build.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
You can build villages and streams and resorts and shopping centers.
And it went on and on, and not one word
in that whole paragraph of like ten sentences came out
of my mouth. All I said was, oh, look at
this you could build townhomes. And then I shut up immediately.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
That was it.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And then what happened was the plan was to move
to the area of Charleston, South Carolina, and we were
looking at homes like virtually we're looking at home.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
So I wasn't ready to you know, I'm still working.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Full time, I have a home. I wasn't ready to
sell my home until we found a home. And we
never got to the point where we found a home.
And by the time we didn't find a home, Gary
came up with the idea of doing six weeks there
and six weeks here. And I truly wanted to have
our home together. I was willing to move. I wanted
(18:39):
to have our big home where our family could come
visit us.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
You know, I didn't want to go back and forth
to our homes.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I wanted to have an established base with a beautiful
home together with Gary and then go visit our children,
and go visit his children, go visit my children, invite
them there. And that was my idea because that's what
we agreed upon. And then I guess he you know,
he loves his house, and I don't blame him. He
loves where he lives, and he and if that's what
(19:08):
he decided to do, then then do it.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
And I want you to.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I want to be happy. So it did change, and
it wasn't what we had discussed. We had never discussed
six weeks here, six weeks there.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
We've talked to so many Bachelor Nation couples who have
broken up, a lot of them because of distance, most
notably like Joe and Kendall. You know, it was all that.
That was the big blame on the breakup was distance
because he wanted to live in Chicago, and ironically he's
now married and he lives in New York. And then
she wanted to stay in California, but now she's married
(19:44):
and she lived in Germany and now she's moving back
to California.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
You know. Wow.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So I we've always been like, is that really the
crux of a breakup?
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Or is there more?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
And that's like a good not alibi, but just like
the public reason for why did it end up?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Both First, I want to say kudos to Joan for
addressing that issue immediately, and she said she wasn't going
to move. But you can't get you really can't know
somebody in four weeks. I'll just say that. That's all
I can say. I'm not I don't want to say
any more than that four.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
TV weeks or four weeks because you guys literally were
like only a couple in the month of December, oh,
you know, like an outward couple.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
True. True. So what I'm saying is the right. You're
absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
You know thing, you get to know each other better,
and it's not something I want.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
To discuss at this night.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
But yeah, yeah, so it's not just the location thing.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Okay, that's awesome.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
That's all we I think. I think that's very fair
of you to say, you know, I've been through something
not you know, different, but similar in some ways publicly,
and you know, if the public was needing every single
thing that happened to lead up to this final decision,
(21:08):
it would make both parties probably look or feel be
up right. You've both had failures within this relationship to
lead up to this moment. You're like, you're not the
right person. Location is a very easy issue. But I
think what happened and I'm curious, So what happened when
you and Gary came out and said location is one
(21:30):
of the big issues or the biggest issue to why
we broke up. People went, that makes sense. A lot
of people said that makes sense. Now, for the right person,
they would have been willing to move. So we let's
assume that they weren't right for each other. Also location
was an issue. They're done. So now we see Jones
season happening, and I think the fans, with the knowledge
of what they are gaining from the relationship you had
(21:53):
on this show and the marriage that you had on
this show. Are now saying, here's an idea. How about
they start casting the Golden Show regionally. How about they
start doing the casting so that if you live in
New Jersey, the men that you will be dating at
least live within a driving distance of New Jersey. Is
this an idea that you would back and say, that's
(22:15):
a good idea. And do you think if that was
the case, if you did live a little closer, that
your relationship with Geary could have worked.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I think that that's an outstanding idea. I think that's
what they should do. I mean, it's for all ages,
but especially for people who are older, who have grandchildren
and are established in their communities and their homes. It's
really a very difficult to ask. And yeah, they probably
would have been a better chance. And that's why I
(22:46):
say I really applaud Joan for addressing that issue immediately.
I wasn't the Golden Bachelorette. I didn't really have the
right to say anything like that. And you just think
the world wants a loves to and they want you
to move, and it's you know, you don't know how
you're going to feel until you were really faced.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
With that decision.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
It's very difficult, and you know, it's you do. I
do want to be in love. I do want to
be with someone. I think that that's I think love
is for me the most important thing, and it's love
of family, and it's you know, to have a partner
in life.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Is that I want?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So I wanted that so badly. It's not something I
gave up very easily.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I hate to keep bringing up, you know, yeah, the split.
But I think lots of people are curious about the
fact that you did had to. I won't say had that.
You did it on Good Morning America. You announced it
on Good Morning America. And it was so soon after
the wedding, about three months. So why why announce it
(24:02):
that soon after? Why didn't you just like milk it
for a little while.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I know, why didn't we do that? Oh you could
ask Gary, why.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Did I want to I don't know, to milk it
a little while. I know I got out of this
so quickly, I I, you know, to be in that
world and then all of a sudden, you just drop
everything because we were offered things that we couldn't then
pursue some really great things, really big things. But I
think I think that's I don't know. I do know
(24:38):
the answer to it, I don't know. Yeah, I can
dedulte it.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
It's more I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I would have never milt something that wasn't honest. I
would not have done that, but I probably would have
waited longer because of the Golden Bachelorette. I was willing
to wait longer to and because I didn't want to
put a damper on her season. I wanted her. I
wanted to wait until kind of that was.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Over, because like the audience kind of has this perception
now like could this work?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yeah, I didn't want to disappoint people.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I felt so badly about people who were so disappointed
because I was disappointed, and I, you know, I didn't
want to hurt people because it was it was such,
you know, a fairy tale. It was beautiful and it
really was real and we really believed it. And I
also feel bad, like I really want him to be
with his person. I want him to be with the
person he should be with, and you know that wasn't me,
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And if there was someone else on the show that
he really wanted to be with, I wish, you know
that that could happen. If there was any possibility that
that could happen, because I want him to be happy.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Theresa, I also like want to get cocktails with you
and like fill your guts to me and.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Give me really drunk.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Yeah, I think what we're hearing is a lot of
the real reason. I think what we're actually hearing is
a lot of the real reason. With you being respectful
to Gary into the environment that existed, a few rapid
fire questions here kind of to get maybe some clarity
without divulging too much to make it an issue. How
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much of that period of life with kind of going
on Good Morning America and maybe even the wedding that
you look back now and it could be it could
be blamed on the excitement of the time, the celebrity,
the euphoria. I feel it. I've been there, I get
(26:40):
it and I feel it. Yeah, we both have been there.
To where we go. This is exciting. I'm doing more
new things than I've ever done before. I have opportunities
that never existed before. How much of that time could
be blamed on just the new and the excitement?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Well, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Well, first of all, starts in the mansion, where you
present with someone in their best possible life, and then
afterwards you're always in an exciting situation, so you're both
at your best. You're both excited by the experience that
you're in, so that's exciting, and you're not in your regular,
(27:17):
mundane life. So yes, that not too prolong that that
wasn't the reason, But say, being in Times Square, Yeah,
and the excitement. I've never done that before and that
was absolutely wonderful. And then yeah, to be on the
Kelly and Mark Show and all of that.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yes, we were enjoying that ride.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Together and very happy then and very excited about it.
So if you look back on it, yes, part of
the excitement and the happiness probably had to do with
those external factors that you're in this whirlwind.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I think the question that so many fans though, also
want to know from your perspective now, because the Golden
Show did a lot for a lot of people. You're
right when you said people were cheering for the two
of you. We're living vicariously through the two of you.
We're finding hope in the two of you. Could this
show work now that you've been through it and that, Yes,
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your experience is kind of one that people look back
on be like, gosh, dang, it didn't do what I
thought it was going to do. It ended poorly, and
it ended in a way that now makes me question,
is this Golden Show can end up just like the
other Bachelor shows where you know five percent of the
people end up getting together. Teresa? Do you think this
Golden Show has legs where it will help people like
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you find love?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Yes? Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I think that everyone with every season, they're going to
learn different things. Just like Joan did to say, stipulate
right up front. I'm not moving, So they'll learn and
it will morph into something that really really works. And
you know, if you've first of all, if you had
two people who were older and didn't have grandchildren, that's
(29:04):
one factor where you really feel like you could leave.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
But just imagine yourselves. You've got your families, your family,
You've got your.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Children, You're going to have your children, your child Ben,
and then you have grandchildren, and you're so ingrained in
your life. It gets the more the years pass, the
further ingrained you get into that life. So I think
that it's the family that stops you, that prevents you
from fully embracing it. I don't know, I was just
(29:37):
so happy to be a mom, to be a young mom.
I'm all about that. I'm all about family. So it's
very hard for me to think about moving away unless
it was to move to South Carolina and be near
my son.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
So that's it. Like that would have worked for me.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
And like a light bulb went off and I said, oh, okay,
but he really wants to do this, this is great.
And I didn't and I did say we were in
the car stopped and we weren't being filmed.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
I don't, Yeah, we weren't.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
That was on was not on camera, and I said, oh,
my son lives there, and I don't think I don't
know if he heard it, but maybe he heard it,
but it's that was a huge factor. So I think
the show absolutely could work. I look forward to many,
many iterations of this show. I'm glued, absolutely glued to
Joe's season. I'm so I'm going to be so upset
(30:24):
when it's over. I'm just sit there with my popcorn
and you know, you moved to the set.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah, I love it. I love it so much.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
She's doing such a great job and I love and
just to digress a little, I love what all the
women have been doing and that they've the opportunities that
they've embraced.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
And I honestly have not accepted anything.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I haven't done any sponsorship yet because it's I didn't
know this about myself, but I I feel I can't
do it unless it's something that I either use or
I truly believe in.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
So just sell your soul and it happens.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
I know people are just saying, that's crazy. What are
you doing? Why did you turn that down?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
What?
Speaker 5 (31:03):
I'm not good at it. I'm not good at either.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
You gotta find products that you love to do it regularly.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
We'll have to figure that out for you.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
But yeah, before you leave, we do want to ask,
like what are you doing, Like what what's your current
day to day look like?
Speaker 5 (31:19):
And like yeah, and what excites you, like what's pumping
you up for the future here?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
No, so my day to day is I oh, I
used to day trade stocks. I want me day to
day as being with my family. My daughter just had
a baby August Edward gradually, thank.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
You very much, seventh grandchild.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Right, yeah, it's very good. I couldn't. I can't believe that.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I mean, that's if you had told me, you know,
I was eighteen years old, was going to have seven grandsons.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It's crazy seven grandsons. You don't have one granddaughter, no.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Long and there's no home now, there's no hope, no daughter.
I have two children and they produce seven children.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So that gets me going. And I still do work.
But it's in the back of my mind to do
something different. I really, I really, I'm so curious about people,
and maybe I'd like to interview people.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
I am sort of like a writer.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I am. I've been into health and longevity my entire life.
I've been into eating well, the Mediterranean diet, and maybe
I know books don't really pay much, but maybe I'll
do something like that. I mean, people do ask me,
and I haven't had surgery yet, but I do do
things like facial massage, a microcurrent, and I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
If I should get a facelot. I don't know if
I should do it.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
There's not much to live there. Yeah, well some of
your friends are doing it.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Oh yeah, I know, I know, and kudos to them.
That's awesome. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe one day.
I'm not doing it yet, but so there's there's so much.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Maybe I'm just going to key in on all the
things that I'm interested in, Like, I have so many interests,
gardening and the stock market. And I went from being
a day trader to being a Bussian trader. So the
stock market really gets me excited. I mean, the stock
market to me is like this giant puzzle that you
have to figure out. There's so many different bits of
information you need to put together to make a decision,
(33:12):
and you have to it's almost I'm also like a
game of chess where you have to be like ten
steps ahead of your opponent.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
So that gets me going. And I don't trade during
the day.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Because I have a job, but i'll you know, put
in limit buys and limit cells and you know, and
go And I'm a techno fundamentalist.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
That's what I do.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
So I can't believe that I got interested in that's
so late in life. My husband was a market maker,
but we never talked about it.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
You should write a book called like the Golden Girls
Guide to the stock Market.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Ooh right, that make people as Let's give you a
little encouragement here. I mean, we're, yes, obviously younger, but
we've been a part of this franchise for a while.
There is a season and a time, and I'm not
saying you're in it. You're You're still you know, you
had a different journey than most. You ended up with
the the Bachelor, which isolates you kind of on you know,
(34:03):
from hanging out with all the friends all the time,
and you're kind of focused on that, and then you
guys break up, and then you're kind of sitting there going,
you know, what have I missed? You haven't missed anything.
You're in a great season of life. You're a grandmother
to seven grandchildren, you have, you're still actively working, You're
still thinking about health and beauty and longevity and dating
(34:25):
and love. This all. If you were like a friend
of mine laying all this out on the table in
front of me, I'd be like, you got a really
good thing going. And yes, it seems like everybody else
is doing so much more, and it seems like everybody
else is doing so many cooler things. It ain't true.
What you got here is what everybody else wants. They
just don't know how to get it yet. So I
(34:46):
hope for you love comes, because that's obviously a wish
that does not exist yet, a romantic love in your life,
but also have a lot of fun in this season.
Be where your feet are, be present because this is
a really fun time for you.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
So getting thank you so much and that's beautiful. That
was so nice.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Well, I mean it's true.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
The only thing is the only men that want like
a seventy one year old or ninety.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Year olds, So.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Well, younger women, Let's let's let that be a personal
choice that you can make at some point in your
life if that's something that interests you.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
No, I like to end on a fun question. If
you're watching Jones season with Popcorn, you're so into it,
we have to know which guy are you looking at?
Thinking can say no to a date with him?
Speaker 5 (35:33):
That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I thought about this. I'm going to be evasive.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
No, you have to answer you can.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
We've let you a.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Lot Like if I was single and interested, I would
be like, you know what, Pablo would have been my guy?
Or Pascal, sorry, Pascal would have been my guy?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Yeah, okay, so here's here's my first part of the answer.
I really have to get to know them more. I'd
really love to meet them all that.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I mean, having been through this experience, I don't know
that I could take it a face value.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
But physically is there's your time.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Oh, physically the kids.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Physically, I'm just going to generally tell you that it's
someone taller and someone tall and you know, Gary's actually
my type.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
So that's the physical tide.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Like somebody like a chalk. He seems pretty tall. We
just don't know where he ends up in this whole thing.
He's still in there.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Then Mark, Jonathan and Mark.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Okay, all right, yeah neither Yeah, they all seem great, but.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
She's just smitten. She's like, I like them all, Like,
don't make me choose.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Yeah, that's right, I like them all. I'm enjoying every
one of them. I think they're great. I don't know
if I'll ever meet any of them, but you never know.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
We're still pushing for twenty twenty five Golden Paradise where
everybody shows up, he meets each other. Teresa. We hope
that's in your future. We'd love to see you again.
We love to watch you try to find love again.
Thank you for coming on the show. Don't be a stranger.
Thanks for walking through a conversation that I know just
probably sucks to walk through a thousand times, but you're
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doing it, and you're doing it well and come back
sometime to break down maybe future seasons of the Golden Show.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Thank you so much. You guys are wonderful. I loved
every moment of this.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Oh thank you.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
I'm i gotta regret what I said.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
No, you're not gonna regret anything. But if anybody's listening,
message Teresa for any products that you think she'll appreciate,
use and enjoy. She would love to share about them
on all her social media platforms. It brings her so
much joy and so much fun fun. Teresa will talk
to you soon. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Thank you guy.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we
have somebody who've never had here before, which is wild,
but we were so grateful to have her. It is
Teresa Nice.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hello Teresa, Hello Ashlam so happy to be here.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Hello Teresa, Well, then, so happy to be here, Theresa.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I got to start out by saying that, like, I
feel guilty, guilty for being at your wedding is because like,
how did it feel to have so many people there,
the vast majority of people there that you had never
met before.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah, I know that was strange.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
You know, I was expecting it, but I had no
idea who was going to be there. It made it
more exciting because I knew you from watching The Bachelor,
and so I was awestruck that so many wonderful people
were there, and people that I had, like I actually
had watched The Bachelor with my husband who passed away,
and so it was exciting.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
But you know, you're right, so very different.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
But Nice, I didn't even get to meet you that
day because I said high and we met Gary and
then I was like, this man doesn't even want why
does he want why would you want to waste his
time with people that he's never met before meeting them
on their wedding day. So I saw you covered with people. Oh,
you know, like, no, we get a chance. We'll get
a chance. I don't want to like, yeah, he'sel my
way and take time away from people. She actually knows.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I watched it back and I saw you and it
was so much fun to watch it back because it
was a really, really good party. It was so nice,
So thank you for being there.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
I would actually say it was probably within Bachelor Nation,
the biggest event since I would actually I mean Jadan
Tanner's wedding. Yeah, it would be since Jadent Tanner's wedding.
I mean, yeah, it's been many years since we did
something like that, that they agreed to do something like that.
That's where I want to start this conversation.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Sure that sounds good.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
We're going to dive into all the details and all
the ups and downs and all the good and the
badge of this experience. But in general, if you could
give us kind of a summary of your experience on
The Golden Bachelor, should you look back on it now?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Okay? Sure, So you know, in the beginning it's just
a fluke.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
You fill out an application, you don't think anything's ever
going to come of it, and when you get that
first call, you don't even believe it, and you know
that it's a very long process.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
So when I first found out.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That it was Gary, my first reaction, and my daughter
was there, I said, oh, I don't know if I
could move. I don't know that I could do that,
and she said, give it a chance. She said, just
try go. It was an open mind, and I said, yeah,
I do have an open mind. So I went there,
and I'll tell you that when I was introdu when
I was interviewing with the producers, they said that it
(02:50):
was going to start on August third, and I said, oh,
my birthday's August fourth, and they said, and so he
said you could come in with a birthday cake, and
in my head I said, or I could come.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
In in my birthday, which was just a joke. And I said,
dare I say that out loud?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And I said it out loud and he goes, you're hired,
which wasn't true at the time, and then they loved
that idea so much.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I couldn't get out of it. And I said, I
couldn't get out of it. They don't know you're sticking
with it.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
And when I saw Gary, I thought, oh my god,
he has the same story as me. He was married
to his childhood sweetheart. She passed away unexpectedly. They were
married about the same number of years. I said, I
don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to
do it.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I want to just.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Talk to him heart to heart and show him who
I am. And they said no, and I said okay,
and we did it. And I was so nervous, I mean,
coming out of the limo, so excited to meet these
other women, couldn't wait to meet the women. And when
I walked out and I went next to Gary, I
was immediately attracted. And I was in my head saying,
(03:53):
oh my god, I'm really attracted to him.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
How is this, you know?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And I just looked at him and I spontaneously kissed him,
like is so to say, oh, welcome home, darling. At
the end of the day, it was it just I
felt very comfortable with him immediately. And so that night
I would say that the two times that I was
really myself because after a certain incident, I wasn't able
(04:17):
to be myself was that night when I sat on
the bench and she said, if I eat this.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Cupcake, will you lick the icing off my lips? And
I said, yeah, do it, do it? And that was me,
like that was real.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I was really I went into this really trying to
be myself. And my daughter had written me this beautiful
letter and it makes me cry every time I read it,
and I tried to read it to him, but it
was like four o'clock in the morning, my contact lenses
were glued to my eyes and I could only see
like a part of it. So I kind of made
up the rest. But one thing that she said was
just think the whole world was going to get to
(04:51):
know you, and I just, you know, gonna cry. And
so I wanted that to be my experience. And then
and then I get the first date, and I honestly
didn't want the first date. I just felt like there
were all eyes on me then and maybe a target
on my back, and I'm going, there's sixteen women here,
like how many dates are there? Because the filming was
(05:13):
only in four weeks, I think there might have been
nine episodes, but it was only four weeks, so it
was accelerated because they didn't know if this was going
to be good or not, if it was going to
be popular. So the next morning, and this is on
the show. So it's nothing I'm telling you that I
haven't said, but you may have missed it because I
(05:33):
said it really quickly.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Kathy came up to me and.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Said, you're the one's It's not me, it's you. And
I said, why are you saying that, Kathy? You know
there's sixteen women here. It could be anyone. I never
thought I was the one. And she said, you're his type.
I'm not his type. And then she became pretty much
my best friend. And so when you're in an environment
(05:56):
like that and you're used to having so many women
in your life to talk to. I have my daughter,
I've got two sisters, I have a daughter in law.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I've got so many friends. And the next morning I
come back from the date.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Gary had said on the date, I'm sick of the lake.
I'm sick of getting that boat in and out of
the water. I want to move to Charleston, North Carolina.
I said, no, Charleston's in South Carolina, And in my head,
I'm going, oh, my God, like, what are the chances
my son lives in South Carolina? You really, I'm going, okay, now,
(06:28):
I'm really open to the possibility.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Let me pause you there, though, real quick, did he
know your son lived there?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
No, you have no idea he didn't know.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And so I, you know, I'm excited the next morning,
and so I think I can confide in Kathy. And
that was naive and my party shouldn't have done it.
And I'm excited. I'm want to tell someone. And I
just said the date was really great, and I forget
exactly what I said, but he said even moved, do
you want to move to South Carolina? And I guess
it was misinterpreted as Teresa things she's got this, And
(06:59):
I never though I had it. I never thought that.
I just thought, Okay, now I can really think about
maybe this could work.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So this is the incident that you're saying, that was
the fact you weren't able to ever feel yourself myself.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
I just couldn't.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I was mortified, Like I was telling me producers, I
want to talk to Kathy. She's my good friend and
God bless her. I love Kathy. You know this was
just the mechanics of the show. I forgot I was
in a competitive environment, and so I said I was
forcing it, saying I want to talk to Kathy.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
I really want to talk to Kathy.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
And then when I sat on those steps and she
accused me of being dismissive, I was absolutely mortified.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I wanted to melt into the floor. I wanted to
just leave right then. And I said, oh my.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
God, it's too late, this is filmed. People are going
to see this. My face turns completely red. This is
complete anguish I was going through. And I ran up
to the bedroom and Faith comforted me, and my intention
was to leave.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
I really, I just really couldn't.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I didn't think I wanted to stay there, and they
convinced me to stay. But from that point on, I
censored everything I said. I just you know, I couldn't
really be myself.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
So you'll see me.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I was really genuinely happy for everybody who got a
chance to be with Gary.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I mean, Leslie and I were just such great friends.
On the show.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Gook dinner for her, She taught me dances. I was
great friends with Faith and with Ellen and Edith and everyone,
and except that the people that were in Kathy's room,
I felt a coldness. So I felt I was being
judged and that's just me, so you know, I take
that as my responsibility. But Trista had come on the
show and someone had asked her, were you okay with
(08:41):
Ryan going out with other women? And she said, oh no,
I wanted to see him be with other women. And
I said to her, oh my god, justin that's exactly
how I feel. I wanted Gary to explore it with
every single person, so he was sure he was with
the right person. And then when we had the second
confrontation on the tennis court and Kathy said, what you said,
(09:02):
I said, that's fine, Like, if you were meant to
be with him, just you should be with him. So
I never ever thought that I was the one that
wasn't the case.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
There's a few things there that stand out to me.
One is, I think you pointed to it at the beginning,
was you had the first date, so there's a target
on your back, and so this was you were kind
of the one that the eyes were going to be
glued to, going what is her next move? That makes sense.
It happens all the time. You knew it was going
to happen. We knew it was going to happen. I
want to talk a little bit about what you're when
(09:32):
you said you censored yourself, because it obviously worked like
your censorship led you to end up with Gary, So
you kind of holding back of who you were. Oh,
and so I want to get clarity on how you
like how you censored it with Gary or if you
still felt like you didn't have to with him. But
only when you existed in the mansion.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah, that's a really good question. It was only when
I existed in the mansion. And how I censored myself
was I'm usually talkative and outgoing and and joyful, and
I would have said so much more, but I just
I held back. I didn't say anything. I just kind
of like, if you look through the whole season, I'm
probably just nodding and.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Smiling and I'm not saying much.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I was just so terrified that I was going to
say the wrong thing again and do the wrong thing.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
And so, yeah, it changed my entire experience.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
But Okay, I could have just said to myself, Okay,
it doesn't matter, and I thought I could do that,
but I couldn't, which, you know, it's on me.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
It's totally on me that that happened.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Are you sensitive about this because of the way that
perhaps people just saw your character throughout the show, or
your friendships with the ladies because you won, Like normally
we would be concentrating on that, and yeah, you had
with Gary, but for you, this seems to be the
(10:53):
thing that stands out the most.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Yeah, no, I'm it did.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I was able to be myself when I was with Gary,
you know, but during that time I was on one
one on one date and then two group dates, so
not that much time with him.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
And I'm going to tell you my grandson said it best.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I was in my room with my daughter and my grandson, Henry,
and we were waiting for me to go out to
get married.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
And Henry Pipes. Do you know Henry.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I don't know if you've seen him, but he speaks
his mind. He's the one on the show that said,
I know you could be the new pop up.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And he said, yeah, he goes just st of this.
You had one date and you're getting married.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Oh my god, I said, imagine if they like they
let put that on a big screen.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I'm waiting to go out there and get married.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
So yeah, so I would say that people wouldn't have
known that I censored myself. But when I was on
the tennis court with I don't know if you remember
that scene with Kathy and she said, oh, guess what
like last night I was with Gary and you're out,
no man, And I truly felt like, okay, if that's
the truth thing, yes, he should be with you. And
(12:04):
I don't think that that got across that. I'm an
extremely open minded person. I would never want to force
anybody to be with me. I wouldn't want that. And
when we were together, yeah, we had conversations. You know,
you've been on the show that didn't you didn't see.
We had some conversations you didn't see. So yes, I
(12:24):
felt that. I thought before I went on the show
that I could just truly be myself and I was
going to pretend the cameras weren't there, and then I
became very self conscious.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Those relationships obviously were around a lot of the golden
you know, contestants. Those relationships have been healed. I think
there is a clarity and understanding now and that all
kind of yes comes through, and a lot of them
came to your wedding. This leads up to a question.
I think a lot of fans are one. Obviously, you know,
your experience on the show had its ups and downs.
(13:06):
You know, you did have the runs in with Kathy
and you did have, you know, these these high and
low moments, and then you end up with Gary at
the end, and you had been on one date with him,
and you had kind of been opened to the idea
of him dating other people, and if he chose you, awesome,
and you guys could celebrate that. But then you decide
to say yes to this wedding that was, as we
(13:28):
said at the beginning, one of the biggest things to
happen in Bachelor Nations since you know, Jaden Tanner's wedding.
But you said yes to it with confidence. I'm assuming yeah,
or maybe not. But what made you at that point
feel like, yes, this is something I want to do
now like this, I am so good moving forward in
this relationship to the point of marriage after you know,
(13:53):
even your grandson said, you've only been on one date.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah, So you know, so I went into the really
looking to fall in love and I did. And we said, Okay,
they're offering this to us now. They weren't offering it later,
it was now, and we said, if we really are
going to get married. We should do it because we're
(14:17):
going to get the wedding of our dreams and we
are older, and why waste any time do it now.
So if there was a time constraint on the offer,
it wasn't like, Okay, you could do it this month,
or you could do it next year, or you could
do it in six months. That wasn't the offer. And
so we did it because with the faith and hope
(14:38):
that we were eventually really going to get married, and
so let's do it now they're offering this to us.
We'll have our friends and family there, it will be
whatever you.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Know, and we did.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I'll tell you, Mindy Weiss did a spectacular job, like
the flowers of the dance floor, the band, everything was
just absolutely gorgeous.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
The interesting part for the viewers and you, in all clarity,
you got upset with me because on a podcast I
had said, I don't know if you ever listened to
the whole episode, because we've always been very supportive. Yes,
So that was my comment to you is you have
to listen to the whole thing because we've always been
very supportive of you. Here. We're big fans of you.
We thought you and Gary match very well together. But
(15:21):
on the podcast, we had heard or I had heard,
I guess I should, you know, take the blame here
that one of the big factors to your to the
two of you then deciding to get a divorce was
a couple things. And I think if we spoke about
it outside of the Bachelor world, we would say that
the two of you didn't see eye to eye on
geographic location. The two of you didn't see eye to
(15:41):
eye on the two spots that you two were living.
The rumors were that there was a big argument about Indiana,
the place that I'm from, that there's a lot of
farmland in Indiana, there is a lot of places of
open space in India. There ain't a lot going on in Indiana.
I and we all know that you've been there. I'm
sure you've visited for you know, the lake a few times.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And I'm a Jersey girl, and I understand that Jersey's
got everything right around the corner.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
I'm going to tell you exactly what happened.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
So I wanted to be clear and say that you
got upset with me, and that the intention was to
never try to throw you under the bus. The intention
was never to do that, because that's not what we
would want to do to you here. However, the idea
was that both I guess at the time when we
talked about this on the show, was I have I
see it from one lens where I'm like, I grew
up there. I get it. There's a lot of open space.
(16:33):
Ashley sees it from another lens, which would be, how
in the world do you exist in a place that
has so much open space. There's two types of people
in the world. Both exist, both are you know, there's
no right or wrong necessarily. So that's what we said,
and I want to get clarity from you now on
what exactly happened. Okay, good to lead to this moment
where you said, we can't do this any longer.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Okay, So I'm going to clarify that moment when I
tell you exactly what I said. So we're driving from
the airport and it was like three hours and we're
getting closer to Gary's house.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
She's not wrong, by the way, it is, I know
where he lived. It's three hours close to any airport.
It sucks. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
So I see this open land. I don't see crops.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I just think it's flat land and I go, oh, wow,
you could build town homes there, That's all I said.
And Gary said, oh, so you want to take the
farmer's land away from him. I go, note to sell,
don't say that again. I said, oh no, I didn't
know that was farmland. He said, there's a thing in
the Midwest. I'd rather give you one acre of my
I'd rather give you one of my daughters and give
(17:38):
you one of my acre of land.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
And I said, don't ever say it again. But the
quote was, Oh, look at this land. You can build.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
You can build villages and streams and resorts and shopping centers.
And it went on and on, and not one word
in that whole paragraph of like ten sentences came out
of my mouth. All I said was, oh, look at
this you could build townhomes. And then I shut up immediately.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
That was it.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And then what happened was the plan was to move
to the area of Charleston, South Carolina, and we were
looking at homes like virtually we're looking at home.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
So I wasn't ready to you know, I'm still working.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Full time, I have a home. I wasn't ready to
sell my home until we found a home. And we
never got to the point where we found a home.
And by the time we didn't find a home, Gary
came up with the idea of doing six weeks there
and six weeks here. And I truly wanted to have
our home together. I was willing to move. I wanted
(18:39):
to have our big home where our family could come
visit us.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
You know, I didn't want to go back and forth
to our homes.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I wanted to have an established base with a beautiful
home together with Gary and then go visit our children,
and go visit his children, go visit my children, invite
them there. And that was my idea because that's what
we agreed upon. And then I guess he you know,
he loves his house, and I don't blame him. He
loves where he lives, and he and if that's what
(19:08):
he decided to do, then then do it.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
And I want you to.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I want to be happy. So it did change, and
it wasn't what we had discussed. We had never discussed
six weeks here, six weeks there.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
We've talked to so many Bachelor Nation couples who have
broken up, a lot of them because of distance, most
notably like Joe and Kendall. You know, it was all that.
That was the big blame on the breakup was distance
because he wanted to live in Chicago, and ironically he's
now married and he lives in New York. And then
she wanted to stay in California, but now she's married
(19:44):
and she lived in Germany and now she's moving back
to California.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
You know. Wow.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So I we've always been like, is that really the
crux of a breakup?
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Or is there more?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
And that's like a good not alibi, but just like
the public reason for why did it end up?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Both First, I want to say kudos to Joan for
addressing that issue immediately, and she said she wasn't going
to move. But you can't get you really can't know
somebody in four weeks. I'll just say that. That's all
I can say. I'm not I don't want to say
any more than that four.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
TV weeks or four weeks because you guys literally were
like only a couple in the month of December, oh,
you know, like an outward couple.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
True. True. So what I'm saying is the right. You're
absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
You know thing, you get to know each other better,
and it's not something I want.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
To discuss at this night.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
But yeah, yeah, so it's not just the location thing.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Okay, that's awesome.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
That's all we I think. I think that's very fair
of you to say, you know, I've been through something
not you know, different, but similar in some ways publicly,
and you know, if the public was needing every single
thing that happened to lead up to this final decision,
(21:08):
it would make both parties probably look or feel be
up right. You've both had failures within this relationship to
lead up to this moment. You're like, you're not the
right person. Location is a very easy issue. But I
think what happened and I'm curious, So what happened when
you and Gary came out and said location is one
(21:30):
of the big issues or the biggest issue to why
we broke up. People went, that makes sense. A lot
of people said that makes sense. Now, for the right person,
they would have been willing to move. So we let's
assume that they weren't right for each other. Also location
was an issue. They're done. So now we see Jones
season happening, and I think the fans, with the knowledge
of what they are gaining from the relationship you had
(21:53):
on this show and the marriage that you had on
this show. Are now saying, here's an idea. How about
they start casting the Golden Show regionally. How about they
start doing the casting so that if you live in
New Jersey, the men that you will be dating at
least live within a driving distance of New Jersey. Is
this an idea that you would back and say, that's
(22:15):
a good idea. And do you think if that was
the case, if you did live a little closer, that
your relationship with Geary could have worked.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I think that that's an outstanding idea. I think that's
what they should do. I mean, it's for all ages,
but especially for people who are older, who have grandchildren
and are established in their communities and their homes. It's
really a very difficult to ask. And yeah, they probably
would have been a better chance. And that's why I
(22:46):
say I really applaud Joan for addressing that issue immediately.
I wasn't the Golden Bachelorette. I didn't really have the
right to say anything like that. And you just think
the world wants a loves to and they want you
to move, and it's you know, you don't know how
you're going to feel until you were really faced.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
With that decision.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
It's very difficult, and you know, it's you do. I
do want to be in love. I do want to
be with someone. I think that that's I think love
is for me the most important thing, and it's love
of family, and it's you know, to have a partner
in life.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Is that I want?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So I wanted that so badly. It's not something I
gave up very easily.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I hate to keep bringing up, you know, yeah, the split.
But I think lots of people are curious about the
fact that you did had to. I won't say had that.
You did it on Good Morning America. You announced it
on Good Morning America. And it was so soon after
the wedding, about three months. So why why announce it
(24:02):
that soon after? Why didn't you just like milk it
for a little while.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I know, why didn't we do that? Oh you could
ask Gary, why.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Did I want to I don't know, to milk it
a little while. I know I got out of this
so quickly, I I, you know, to be in that
world and then all of a sudden, you just drop
everything because we were offered things that we couldn't then
pursue some really great things, really big things. But I
think I think that's I don't know. I do know
(24:38):
the answer to it, I don't know. Yeah, I can
dedulte it.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
It's more I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I would have never milt something that wasn't honest. I
would not have done that, but I probably would have
waited longer because of the Golden Bachelorette. I was willing
to wait longer to and because I didn't want to
put a damper on her season. I wanted her. I
wanted to wait until kind of that was.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Over, because like the audience kind of has this perception
now like could this work?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yeah, I didn't want to disappoint people.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I felt so badly about people who were so disappointed
because I was disappointed, and I, you know, I didn't
want to hurt people because it was it was such,
you know, a fairy tale. It was beautiful and it
really was real and we really believed it. And I
also feel bad, like I really want him to be
with his person. I want him to be with the
person he should be with, and you know that wasn't me,
(25:38):
And if there was someone else on the show that
he really wanted to be with, I wish, you know
that that could happen. If there was any possibility that
that could happen, because I want him to be happy.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Theresa, I also like want to get cocktails with you
and like fill your guts to me and.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Give me really drunk.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Yeah, I think what we're hearing is a lot of
the real reason. I think what we're actually hearing is
a lot of the real reason. With you being respectful
to Gary into the environment that existed, a few rapid
fire questions here kind of to get maybe some clarity
without divulging too much to make it an issue. How
(26:19):
much of that period of life with kind of going
on Good Morning America and maybe even the wedding that
you look back now and it could be it could
be blamed on the excitement of the time, the celebrity,
the euphoria. I feel it. I've been there, I get
(26:40):
it and I feel it. Yeah, we both have been there.
To where we go. This is exciting. I'm doing more
new things than I've ever done before. I have opportunities
that never existed before. How much of that time could
be blamed on just the new and the excitement?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Well, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Well, first of all, starts in the mansion, where you
present with someone in their best possible life, and then
afterwards you're always in an exciting situation, so you're both
at your best. You're both excited by the experience that
you're in, so that's exciting, and you're not in your regular,
(27:17):
mundane life. So yes, that not too prolong that that
wasn't the reason, But say, being in Times Square, Yeah,
and the excitement. I've never done that before and that
was absolutely wonderful. And then yeah, to be on the
Kelly and Mark Show and all of that.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yes, we were enjoying that ride.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Together and very happy then and very excited about it.
So if you look back on it, yes, part of
the excitement and the happiness probably had to do with
those external factors that you're in this whirlwind.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I think the question that so many fans though, also
want to know from your perspective now, because the Golden
Show did a lot for a lot of people. You're
right when you said people were cheering for the two
of you. We're living vicariously through the two of you.
We're finding hope in the two of you. Could this
show work now that you've been through it and that, Yes,
(28:16):
your experience is kind of one that people look back
on be like, gosh, dang, it didn't do what I
thought it was going to do. It ended poorly, and
it ended in a way that now makes me question,
is this Golden Show can end up just like the
other Bachelor shows where you know five percent of the
people end up getting together. Teresa? Do you think this
Golden Show has legs where it will help people like
(28:39):
you find love?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Yes? Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I think that everyone with every season, they're going to
learn different things. Just like Joan did to say, stipulate
right up front. I'm not moving, So they'll learn and
it will morph into something that really really works. And
you know, if you've first of all, if you had
two people who were older and didn't have grandchildren, that's
(29:04):
one factor where you really feel like you could leave.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
But just imagine yourselves. You've got your families, your family,
You've got your.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Children, You're going to have your children, your child Ben,
and then you have grandchildren, and you're so ingrained in
your life. It gets the more the years pass, the
further ingrained you get into that life. So I think
that it's the family that stops you, that prevents you
from fully embracing it. I don't know, I was just
(29:37):
so happy to be a mom, to be a young mom.
I'm all about that. I'm all about family. So it's
very hard for me to think about moving away unless
it was to move to South Carolina and be near
my son.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
So that's it. Like that would have worked for me.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
And like a light bulb went off and I said, oh, okay,
but he really wants to do this, this is great.
And I didn't and I did say we were in
the car stopped and we weren't being filmed.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
I don't, Yeah, we weren't.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
That was on was not on camera, and I said, oh,
my son lives there, and I don't think I don't
know if he heard it, but maybe he heard it,
but it's that was a huge factor. So I think
the show absolutely could work. I look forward to many,
many iterations of this show. I'm glued, absolutely glued to
Joe's season. I'm so I'm going to be so upset
(30:24):
when it's over. I'm just sit there with my popcorn
and you know, you moved to the set.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah, I love it. I love it so much.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
She's doing such a great job and I love and
just to digress a little, I love what all the
women have been doing and that they've the opportunities that
they've embraced.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
And I honestly have not accepted anything.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I haven't done any sponsorship yet because it's I didn't
know this about myself, but I I feel I can't
do it unless it's something that I either use or
I truly believe in.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
So just sell your soul and it happens.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
I know people are just saying, that's crazy. What are
you doing? Why did you turn that down?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
What?
Speaker 5 (31:03):
I'm not good at it. I'm not good at either.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
You gotta find products that you love to do it regularly.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
We'll have to figure that out for you.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
But yeah, before you leave, we do want to ask,
like what are you doing, Like what what's your current
day to day look like?
Speaker 5 (31:19):
And like yeah, and what excites you, like what's pumping
you up for the future here?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
No, so my day to day is I oh, I
used to day trade stocks. I want me day to
day as being with my family. My daughter just had
a baby August Edward gradually, thank.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
You very much, seventh grandchild.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Right, yeah, it's very good. I couldn't. I can't believe that.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I mean, that's if you had told me, you know,
I was eighteen years old, was going to have seven grandsons.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It's crazy seven grandsons. You don't have one granddaughter, no.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Long and there's no home now, there's no hope, no daughter.
I have two children and they produce seven children.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So that gets me going. And I still do work.
But it's in the back of my mind to do
something different. I really, I really, I'm so curious about people,
and maybe I'd like to interview people.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
I am sort of like a writer.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I am. I've been into health and longevity my entire life.
I've been into eating well, the Mediterranean diet, and maybe
I know books don't really pay much, but maybe I'll
do something like that. I mean, people do ask me,
and I haven't had surgery yet, but I do do
things like facial massage, a microcurrent, and I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
If I should get a facelot. I don't know if
I should do it.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
There's not much to live there. Yeah, well some of
your friends are doing it.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Oh yeah, I know, I know, and kudos to them.
That's awesome. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe one day.
I'm not doing it yet, but so there's there's so much.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Maybe I'm just going to key in on all the
things that I'm interested in, Like, I have so many interests,
gardening and the stock market. And I went from being
a day trader to being a Bussian trader. So the
stock market really gets me excited. I mean, the stock
market to me is like this giant puzzle that you
have to figure out. There's so many different bits of
information you need to put together to make a decision,
(33:12):
and you have to it's almost I'm also like a
game of chess where you have to be like ten
steps ahead of your opponent.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
So that gets me going. And I don't trade during
the day.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Because I have a job, but i'll you know, put
in limit buys and limit cells and you know, and
go And I'm a techno fundamentalist.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
That's what I do.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
So I can't believe that I got interested in that's
so late in life. My husband was a market maker,
but we never talked about it.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
You should write a book called like the Golden Girls
Guide to the stock Market.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Ooh right, that make people as Let's give you a
little encouragement here. I mean, we're, yes, obviously younger, but
we've been a part of this franchise for a while.
There is a season and a time, and I'm not
saying you're in it. You're You're still you know, you
had a different journey than most. You ended up with
the the Bachelor, which isolates you kind of on you know,
(34:03):
from hanging out with all the friends all the time,
and you're kind of focused on that, and then you
guys break up, and then you're kind of sitting there going,
you know, what have I missed? You haven't missed anything.
You're in a great season of life. You're a grandmother
to seven grandchildren, you have, you're still actively working, You're
still thinking about health and beauty and longevity and dating
(34:25):
and love. This all. If you were like a friend
of mine laying all this out on the table in
front of me, I'd be like, you got a really
good thing going. And yes, it seems like everybody else
is doing so much more, and it seems like everybody
else is doing so many cooler things. It ain't true.
What you got here is what everybody else wants. They
just don't know how to get it yet. So I
(34:46):
hope for you love comes, because that's obviously a wish
that does not exist yet, a romantic love in your life,
but also have a lot of fun in this season.
Be where your feet are, be present because this is
a really fun time for you.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
So getting thank you so much and that's beautiful. That
was so nice.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Well, I mean it's true.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
The only thing is the only men that want like
a seventy one year old or ninety.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Year olds, So.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Well, younger women, Let's let's let that be a personal
choice that you can make at some point in your
life if that's something that interests you.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
No, I like to end on a fun question. If
you're watching Jones season with Popcorn, you're so into it,
we have to know which guy are you looking at?
Thinking can say no to a date with him?
Speaker 5 (35:33):
That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I thought about this. I'm going to be evasive.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
No, you have to answer you can.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
We've let you a.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Lot Like if I was single and interested, I would
be like, you know what, Pablo would have been my guy?
Or Pascal, sorry, Pascal would have been my guy?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Yeah, okay, so here's here's my first part of the answer.
I really have to get to know them more. I'd
really love to meet them all that.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I mean, having been through this experience, I don't know
that I could take it a face value.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
But physically is there's your time.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Oh, physically the kids.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Physically, I'm just going to generally tell you that it's
someone taller and someone tall and you know, Gary's actually
my type.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
So that's the physical tide.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Like somebody like a chalk. He seems pretty tall. We
just don't know where he ends up in this whole thing.
He's still in there.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Then Mark, Jonathan and Mark.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Okay, all right, yeah neither Yeah, they all seem great, but.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
She's just smitten. She's like, I like them all, Like,
don't make me choose.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Yeah, that's right, I like them all. I'm enjoying every
one of them. I think they're great. I don't know
if I'll ever meet any of them, but you never know.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
We're still pushing for twenty twenty five Golden Paradise where
everybody shows up, he meets each other. Teresa. We hope
that's in your future. We'd love to see you again.
We love to watch you try to find love again.
Thank you for coming on the show. Don't be a stranger.
Thanks for walking through a conversation that I know just
probably sucks to walk through a thousand times, but you're
(37:05):
doing it, and you're doing it well and come back
sometime to break down maybe future seasons of the Golden Show.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Thank you so much. You guys are wonderful. I loved
every moment of this.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Oh thank you.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
I'm i gotta regret what I said.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
No, you're not gonna regret anything. But if anybody's listening,
message Teresa for any products that you think she'll appreciate,
use and enjoy. She would love to share about them
on all her social media platforms. It brings her so
much joy and so much fun fun. Teresa will talk
to you soon. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Thank you guy.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
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