April 9, 2020 • 62 mins
Hannah Ann answers lingering questions about her breakup with Peter. Does she think their engagement ended because of Madi or another girl?? How everything was kept a secret until the very end? When and how she discovered that Madi chose to leave and what she would have done if she knew prior to her proposal.
Plus, her thoughts on Peter's DM's with Kelley Flannagan and Hannah B. in the midst of their relationship. And a giggly response when asked about dating.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in depth. Hey,
everybody listening out there, we are still in self isolation.
So once again we want to give a little disclaimer
that if you hear dogs barking Ashley, or computer typing,
or if you hear any background noise, uh, please forgive us.
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It is the season of life we're living in. But
we don't want this season of life to slow us
down from producing great episodes of the almost famous podcast Ashley,
How you feeling the day? I'm feeling good. We have
a very awesome guest, a big one huge Hannah and
is on the podcast, and from the two minutes that
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we got to briefly talk to her, I was like, oh,
I gotta like this girl. You have great vibe. Fanna
well good, Well, thank you guys for having me. I
was really excited to be here. It's uh, it's it's great, Hannah.
You know we're just talking before you came on about
how well really the podcast world has taken uh over
a lot of media in the last couple of years,
(01:03):
Ashley and I are I don't know how many what
is it going on? Like three and a half years
of doing this thing, we've gotten to talk to a
lot of the fan favorites coming off the show. It's
always fun for us and and that's why these in
depth episodes were started to get to know, uh, the
fan favorites a little bit better, to get to dive
into who you are as a person, and then also, uh,
what the show meant to you holistically and how it
(01:24):
affected you. But a little background here, Uh, Hannah is
from Hannah and is from Knoxville, Tennessee. She was on
Peter Webber's season of The Bachelor. Uh. They were engaged
at the end of the season after Madison walked away
from the competition. It was revealed on the Live After
final after the final Rows show they had ended their engagement. However,
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a little note here is remember that Hannah Ann was
always Peter's mom's favorite. But before all of this craziness started, Uh,
she was a former beauty pageant contestant and finished his
first runner up in the two fifteen Missed Tennessee teen
us A competition and in two thousand eighteen Miss Tennessee
USA competition. Hey, the final thing is, we got to
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have a little shout out here to Chris Lane because
we all know that we have a connection with Chris
Lane somehow, some way, uh, and you're in his I
don't know about you music videos. So, Hannah, and once again,
welcome to the almost Famous in Depth podcast. True. Thank
you so much for having me. That's so funny about
Chris Lane. Now, I'm just making that, Isn't that funny?
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A lot of bachelor connections with Chris? All right, So Hannah,
tell us about just your childhood. How you know, where
were you born? How many siblings do you have? Your
parents still together? Yeah, So I grew up in Knoxville, Tennessee.
I'm the oldest. My dad is a worster. My mom's
a teacher. I have a younger brother, Wade, and a
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younger sister, Hayley. So me and my brother we're only
eighteen months apart. And then my sister, she's about five
years younger than me. So I grew up like in Knoxville,
Like it's definitely more like a smaller town. I grew
up like more conservatively. My parents have been married for
over twenty six years, um and so really, like me,
even doing something like this show was like wild to
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them because in the South, like you get married young
and like it's very um through like the community I
grew up, and it was a very cookie cutter, you know,
like this is kind of what you do, and there's
nothing wrong with that. It's just I've always kind of
been like a wild card in the sense of just
wanting to like always do something different. Um And so
really like growing up, it was just like whenever I
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was able to travel, it was just like to the
beach like once a year. So that's really how I
got into modelings because I wanted to travel and like
see the world and like see like different ways to
live in different views of life and just everything. Uh,
because I kind of grew up like a little bit
in a in a bubble. So that's kind of like
my upbringing of which is completely different than the path
(04:02):
I have chosen. You know, I can relate in a
lot of ways though, And I think that's the one
thing that uh, you know, Hannah and your family stood
out to me and I and I watch uh most
of the episodes every season. It's part of it helps
me with this and then it helps us dissect. But
I sometimes skip around on the first episode actually knows this.
(04:22):
I just don't love the first episode of any season
because I just feel like it's long. But I your
your family stood out to me. One is because it
felt like a family that I, you know, would understand,
a more conservative family. Uh, one that has a really
beautiful life. Uh, you know have have done the right
try to make decisions to stay on a on a
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very clear path. Uh. Coming from Indiana, that is not
something that is not unknown to me. It's it's how
I grew up. But I also know then the effects
of all of a sudden calling or just really not
even your family because they might understand, but going on
a show shaking life up to the degree that you did,
and how to respond to that, um to your not
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only to your family, but your hometown. And I want
to start this podcast with this question because it's one
that I have felt deeply. How was your worldview or
and and to explain that, how how did going onto
the show, how you viewed the world? And then after
doing the show and after moving to l A and
all these things. Uh, how has your view of the
world changed after being in that conservative environment for so long? Yeah,
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it's like growing up in a conservative environment. You know,
I was around a lot of people who viewed and
lived life all the same way, and so I was
able to see peaks of it when I was traveling
with work and I lived in like and I lived
in different places before. But really through the show, it
gave me the opportunity to really understand the importance of
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getting to know someone and not just judging them right
off the bat, because when you get to know someone
in their background, you're able to see this is why
they respond this way. And so I think my appreciation
just for people and just like take even if I'm
not like someone's biggest fan, just appreciating them, like their qualities.
That's like where my view of the world and people
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have changed is just taking the time to get to
know someone because then you'll have a better understanding, especially
their background. When you really get to know someone, um
and like that maybe the trials that they've been through,
you're able to have a better pers on who they
are and ultimately appreciate them more. I mean, and I
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think a lot of your story, uh, Hannah, is one
that we didn't get to see a lot of, Ashley
and I uh just and I don't know if you
listen to the podcast or not, but we were critical
at times of this season because we felt like there
was some some great contestants at the beginning, but very
little character development. We didn't feel like we got to
know you ladies as well as what we have on
previous seasons. One of the things we that became a
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theme later on in UM this season was the topic
of faith. And uh, I believe I remember your family
speaking to that during the very first episode. Is kind
of your your faith and how important it was to you?
Am I wrong? Do it? Is that true? So as you?
And and this isn't really even a question that I
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had even prepped to ask, but it makes me. I'm
intrigued now if you're hearing your upbringing, hearing uh, kind
of how much it shook life a bit, hearing the
lessons you learned as you watch kind of madison story
playing out during the show, and then also after watching
it back. Do you ever wish you would have really
that your story of faith would have been told more? Uh?
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Were you kind of on her team? How did you
analyze that situation? You guys might have different you know,
beliefs when it comes to physical intimacy and those things.
I'm not that's not you know what I'm asking. I'm
saying just when it comes to how outspoken she was
about her faith and how outspoken at the beginning you
were about yours. How what was that environment like when
you're in the show and then watching it back right, Uh,
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I think watching back this know, you only see like
blippets of me. And I think that was probably the
most frustrating part, is that there wasn't a lot of
getting to know me and more of like my character
and my intent of why I was there. And so
I did speak with Peter. I remember in Cleveland. I
you know, it was our conversations. It was like it
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was at the it was right after the football game,
so it was supposed to be like the V I
P Party, and it was like when we were still
getting to know each other and we had a very
serious conversation and like, hey, this is my faith, this
is how I lived my life. Like let's see if
our match up. And I was very upfront with him
about that, and um, we felt like we had that
emotional spiritual connection. We were going to see how that grew.
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So I was, you know, I would have loved for
my faith, which is a huge part of me, to
be shown more on the show. But that was really
how me and Madison, like that was where our friendship was,
you know, founded on just because we both had faith
are we both shared as we we both shared similar
lacks style, you know, we're both Christians. Um, we definitely
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both live our lives a little differently, but that was
where we bonded. And it's so it's kind of untraditional
to be in this scenario on a TV show where
you're dating someone is dating multiple people. UM, And I
definitely struggled with that, but I also knew, you know,
I always kind of went back to what my parents
always taught me, and like love is about acceptance and
forgiveness and being unconditional, and that's kind of always where
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that That's what kept me in it with Peter is
you know what how I we love, which is being unconditional.
Going off of what Ben asked you, I feel like
here in the twelve minutes that we've been recording and
in the final couple episodes we finally got to see you,
We're like, oh, this is Hannah. I like her, but
(09:49):
I haven't got I didn't know her for the past
eleven weeks. This is frustrating. Um, do you think that
possibly your storyline went that way because they wanted us
to feel more of an attachment to Madison and then
be more surprised when Peter ends up proposing to you.
(10:12):
That is a really good theory. Um. I mean, when
I was watching, you know, the first couple episodes, I'm like,
oh my gosh, I'm like, oh, you know, it definitely
was disheartening because I knew every I knew I was gonna,
you know, be given like the wrong impression of me.
But I knew how the season would end, and that
was when I was with Peter, So I knew how
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the season would end. Um. And unfortunately, even how it ended,
you guys weren't able to see a lot of our
very serious conversations me and Peter had, so it kind
of seemed like our proposal came out of the blue,
great like that came out of nowhere. So the first
episode aired, When the first episode aired, and you got
to see what you came across, like then you were
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you were still engaged to Peter. Yes, that was okay.
So about what week into this US watching did you
and Peter have that conversation that we saw aired at
the end. It was um, right after Cleveland, So that
would have been. So that is interesting that almost um
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just qualifies my theory. Well, you know, it's interesting to
Ashley and as I hear from Hanahan here and Hannah,
and please Ashley and I are are fully able to
be criticized and critiqued here, so you can tell us
you guys are off wildly. But one of the things
that one of the biggest injustices I think to Peter,
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which he's dealing with now, and also probably to you,
Hannah Anne, is that when he did propose to you,
it was a shock, at least to me personally. I
can't speak for all the fans, but it was like
whoa that was shocked and it almost felt like, um,
well Madison left. So I'm just gonna pick Hannahan. I mean,
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and and I say that like, I know this is
like I've been on this thing, Like I know that
there's real feelings, real emotions, like I know there's a
depth of this stuff. Like Hanna, I'm not trying to
discredit your relationship with Peter, but I do think it
was it has been an injustice to him and probably
to you because all of us just assumed like, well,
he just did what he had to do, because it
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was the only one left. When you're saying, no, this
like wasn't a shock to you, like you knew you
had something special, Like there was there was a realness
your relationship. Do you just mind leaning into that a
little bit and explaining to the listeners and to Ashley
and I, um, so we maybe get a better perspective
of how real your relationship was with Peter. Oh yeah,
I mean I wouldn't have been there or what I
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wouldn't have shown up if we didn't if it I
didn't see a future with him, I think, you know,
I would have loved too for you know, viewers to
have seen you know, his bond with my family more
and my bond with his family, because obviously, you know
that was very strong because everyone was able to see
you know, barbed support towards me, which also viewers are
probably like, where is that coming from? But we all
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just you know, our families and us two at that
time felt like we were the perfect fit for for
one another. We um really just you know, for us,
we just accepted one another. And you know, kind of
my perspective on the whole Bachelor, you know, being with
him was after this, after the season. After the season ended,
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this is where we truly begin, and whatever happened on
the show is in the past, and really just keeping
the big picture in mind and focusing on our our
goals for one another and our goals as a couple.
I'm really building that. And we had a lot of
those very serious conversations leading up to our engagement. So
obviously watching the season, I'm able to have a clearer
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perspective of why things ended. But also there was a
lot um, you know, of our moments missing that would
have maybe open people's eyes to how strong our connection
was during the show and and even after. Because we
had happy couples as well, So how many happy happy
couple of weekends as you have we have? The show
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made it seem like that was your first no no
about three oh gree yeah, so it was healthy for you?
Like were they good the happy couple? Yeah, every happy
couple was happy until the last one it became unhappy.
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So so what was it that happened before that happy
couple of weekends? Because it was very strange. It was
like all of a sudden, you guys had some conversation,
and that's why I think the audience assumed that was
the first happy couple of weekend you had in the
first time you were seeing Peterson's finding out that Madison
had left this show, but that you knew that Madison
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left right after you got engaged. I found out after
we got engaged. And how did you take that information?
Did you feel at all like you could have been
second place in that situation? I knew, deep down, I
knew I was in some trouble because it was going
to be difficult, um to overcome that. You know, as
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you know, we're kind of starting off. You know, we
had the pressure of all the viewers judging us as
a couple and then this situation, but we were committed
to working it through, and um, you know, I had
said yes and made that commitment and we were you know,
I was excited and hopeful and in love. And you know,
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I'm not a dummy, you know, if I'm not going
to be with someone who doesn't want to be with me.
So he was giving me the words of affirmation that
I needed to make me feel um chosen and first,
and that we were going to make this work. Plus
we have both of our family's support as well, so
I'm like, okay, you know, I'm not I'm not just
gonna say yes and then say peace out. You know,
I just found out about Madison leaving. Um, that's what
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that was. That that wasn't what I was going to do,
you know, So that what was that fight about going
into that happy couple of weekend? So what had happened
between like, you know, our engagement, our last happy couple.
We had not seen each other for a month, and
in the between that month, the season started, and so
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that was where being started to surface. And honestly, um,
you know, Peter's not a mean person. I think he
was honestly just trying to It was new to him,
and he was trying to figure out exactly what was
going on and within within his own self and had
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trouble communicating with that. He had trouble communicating with that
with me, And UM, I think that's what kind of
um as. I think that's what kind of made the
situation worse. UM is that had trouble you know, completely
being truthful, But I think it went back to he
wasn't quite sure what was going on within his own
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zell M. That's an interesting thing to sit on though
for a second. I mean it we've actually not explained.
It often is this world gets like a it's a whirlwind.
Oftentimes it feels like you're turning in circles trying to
figure out what's happening. While at the same time you
believe or you think you have these certain um emotions
and love for another human, which you probably and usually do.
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But it's hard to navigate in the midst of the
chaos that is just a whole new world. As you said,
I mean, at the very beginning we open this up,
you said, Hey, I came from like a conservative town
where people get married early on in life, and like
it's a pretty clear and approach, and people move forward
in the only way they know how, which is typically
how their parents have done it. Uh. And again I
(17:44):
say that with this like with the ability to relate,
like I understand what you're saying there. So you then say,
for example, like a you or a Peter or Madison
Um or whoever else does in the show gets thrown
onto this show and it's a new environment for everybody,
especially those of us who have very rarely had our
worlds like shaken and rocked. Um, and it's hard to navigate,
(18:06):
Like it's chaos and it feels like chaos. One of
the things I just want to get clarity here is
um one of the topics that was written into us,
wanting to get a little more information on or how
you felt about it and uh and if you don't,
if at any point here you're like, hey, I just
this hurts too much. I don't want to talk about it.
That's fine, just say it um. But during the proposal,
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Peter brought up Madison's name during it and had kind
of like hinted at, hey, she's gone. Did you know then?
Was it just like you were confused knowing like what
he was now watching back, knowing what he was trying
to say and communicate to you. Does that feel weird?
Like it was super critical or criticized. I want to
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hear from you on like on what you think. Yeah,
in them in that moment, that wasn't very clear to me,
you know, like it so leading up to that day,
you know, I did not know she had left. Um.
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You know, we had our like last chance state where
we were able to sit down and like talk, and
you know the only thing I heard was, um, my
heart's being torn in two different directions. I didn't know
that meant, my other half of my heart's in Auburn, Alabama,
And I've watched The Bachelor before, Like that's very you know, Um,
that's a common thing to say, is my heart has
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been torn in two different directions. And um, so leading
up to the proposal day, Um, you know you're in
the moment and you know, I'm you know, I'm shaking.
I just got done with my proposal speech, and that
wasn't that was very much putting me on the spot
to where we weren't able to like sit down and
have a conversation like this, hey, kind of like how
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is your we really going? Like what have you really
gone through? Like let's have this conversation. And um, it's
like what I told him at after Donald Rose, my
instincts would have picked up on that you weren't ready,
you know. And so for me, I think that one
of the most painful parts was seeing you know that
last episode and seeing how torn and upset he was
when I'm walking and then and then it flips to
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me walking down to you know, getting engaged, and I'm
like so naive and thinking, not even understanding what all
had happened. And I think that's the most hurtful part
is that he wasn't you know, didn't have like enough
like respect for me to sit me down and just
to really like lay it all out there and just
just work through it, you know. Um. But you know,
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he got lost in the moment and with his emotions.
If he had pulled you aside then and said, hey, Hannah,
and I just think I should tell you this before
we get engaged Madison left, would that have changed anything? Yeah,
it would have changed a lot because it wouldn't have
just been an answer yes or no. It would have
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been like, let's sit down, like let's recap like how
you felt leading up to her leaving, how you know
how you feel now? And he, you know, I think
d down. He knows that there would have been some
difficult you know, questions, and um, you know, for for
whatever reason, he just wasn't ready to let me go.
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The crazy thing is he knew that there were going
to be difficult questions before proposed, Like if you were
to tell you that beforehand, it would have been difficult
and you would have like pressured him into talking about
a lot, right. But the weird thing is Peter wasn't
thinking like, oh, if I say this information for later.
It's the question is going to be even more difficult,
and it's gonna be even harder to prove yes exactly,
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It's gonna even be harder and stickier. And it's one thing,
I mean, it was always watered down. It was always
like he speaks and half truths, or with us he
spoken half truths, and it was always like the water down,
sugarcoated version that he wanted me to hear because he
knew that I was with him at this point, you know, um.
And so it was really painful having to like watch
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it all and like see it for what it actually
was and not from what he was telling me. It's
one of Peter Hannan, just from like my perspective. It's
been years since I've done this, so I mean, I
could be at a day. I don't know how you
guys do it these days, but it is like I
know Peter. We're gonna speak with Peter um about his
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experience as well, but it is one of the things
that I will tell him is not like I know him.
He is not a bad man like he is. He
has he's not ill, he has no ill intentions. I
think his biggest mistake is he was trying to protect himself,
his family, that you and the girls, and he was speaking,
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like you said, not lies but half truth. He was
leaving a lot out there, uh unknown. You just can't
do that when your life is also being videotaped, like
you can't when everybody else is going to watch it
back and the full truth is going to be brought
It makes you look like you're trying to lie even
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though you're not. And that I think was one of
the things that got him and has gotten him in
the most trouble. It's like, hey, if you just start
telling the truth, people will listen because you're you're not
a bad person, you just are not explaining the full story.
Like bad communication. Yes, yes, And I think maybe that's
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equality he has. But in this situation of being the Bachelor,
it just it brought it out even more and it
brought it to the surface. And um, you know, I
when we were together, I always tried to, even throughout
the show and afterwards, I always tried to put myself
in his shoes and you know, place him first in
that sense, um, And I think that's what kept us
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going as a couple longer than what we should have
is because I always tried to like show you know
that compassion of you know, your situation was so difficult.
You're coming off the show, you're still working through your emotions,
and I think he was doing that as well. You know,
he could have quite put a finger on, um, why
exactly he was feeling or why his feelings in his
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own words were like out of control, because you know,
just pointing the fingers towards different things, um. And I
never really truly got like that like answer. I had
to like find out watching the show after the final
rose when I found out and massive we're back together,
and I'm like, oh, okay, well we'll we'll go back
to that. But I do want to let you know
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that I think the level of compassion you had for
him was very evident during your breakup scene. He was
like why his tears. Of course that wasn't shown, but
I was like, why tears? It was so sad you guys.
It was so evident how much you were fighting for
that relationship and how you were just like forgiving and
forgiving him. I want to ask you one more question
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about your proposal. You did seem a little bit shocked
that it was you like, I don't know, I don't
remember the last time that I saw somebody in the
Bachelor be like it's me, you're picking me? So you
did you think he was going to break medicine? Honestly, like, okay,
I promise you. It's sweet and cute and sort of
(25:09):
like relatable, and it makes me feel like you're very
um you're just like not full of yourself. You're like, oh,
like I really didn't. I don't know, like okay, well,
you know, like seeing people getting like engaged on the
Bachelor of the past, I told myself, I was like,
I'm if I get engaged, I'm not going to laugh
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because when he just seems like you're making a joke
out of it. And so in the moment, I was
so nervous. I was just like, my gosh, it's me.
It's me. I was just like I was so silly,
you know, Like my sister watched that. My sister was like,
what the heck? Like that was the weirdest reaction ever.
And I'm like, honestly, when you have all these cameras
(25:51):
around you and your stress and you're just like you're
finally finished with like the season and you finally hear
from the person you're completely in love with they love you,
like that's something to like be jumping up and down
for so excited. I guess I was surprised, but after
I was with his family, I felt so strongly it
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was going to be us. It's ah, it is true.
Actually you say that. I remember going back and and
watching that all of us kind of going like, especially
how the proposal was set up. We're like, this is shocking,
and it felt I think our last episode that we
like talked about, We're like, that felt almost like oddly
(26:32):
not like a proposal, and we know it was Hannah,
And we're gonna hear why that was such a real proposal. Uh.
We want to hear from you on in your eyes,
in your opinion, what went wrong? Uh? And then also
how are you recovering today here in a little bit.
But before we do, uh, let's take a break. Uh
and we'll come back with Hannah ann uh and on
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the almost Famous In Depth podcast. We're back with Hannah
and Hannah and I want to pause halfway through this
podcast because there's just something that hit me And I
don't know if it's the right question right now or not. UM,
(27:14):
but we sit here and we're talking. We talk, we talk.
We're talking to you and we're hearing your upbringing, we're
hearing about your family, and we're hearing about your emotions,
and we're hearing how much sympathy and empathy you have
for Peter Um Ashley and I sit there as the host.
Now we've been removed from the show for a while,
but we don't forget how it feels. And I just
like it just hit me as I was listening to
(27:35):
you and being like, Hannah, and this is your life,
Like what you're speaking to us about right now is
not just a show, not just a show you participated in,
not just an experience that we can share and talk
about with our kids. And forty years like you were engaged,
you were heartbroken, like you went through the ups and
(27:57):
downs of this whole experience. We're not that far removed
from it, Like as you just sit to us, not
and like answering questions about the show. We'll get back
to that in a second, but just like in general
that this is now your life and this is like
how interesting we are and just hearing your story, how
does that feel? Like how are you processing that right now? Yeah?
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You know, I've worked through a lot of like different emotions.
I think now I'm kind of like feeling a little
bit more back on my feet, and I you know,
it's like the other day, I was walking with my friends,
and I was on a walk and I just felt
so much happiness, and I was looking at my friends
and like, you know, we have fresh air. I'm with,
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I'm with you know, my friends, and and I thought, wow,
I haven't cried and weeks, Like that was just strange
to me, Like I had not cried in weeks, and
and it made me sad, not over Peter, but it
you know, I started crying in that moment because I
was thinking about how oken I was and how terrible
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of a position I felt I was in, you know,
being with Peter and just leading up to the breakup.
I mean I would cry for like hours, Like one
time I cried for six hours straight just because of
just the anticipation of crying about what's happened, and crying
about like this is a part of my story, like
this is a part of my life. And just knowing
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that that would always like be a part of me,
like really broke me. And knowing that there would be
like the whole world having to know about it and
have their opinion on it and feel like that they
know that the situation, and then you have the season
going on and you're you're seeing just bits and pieces
of it and you're just like, oh my gosh, like
everyone just you know, we'll kind of feel like they're
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a part of it when they really truly aren't, you know,
only me and Peter truly. Um, And I think it
was also really hard. I didn't realize the impact of
it would have on my family because, um, it made
a should impact, Like my family, my personal life has
been part has been with my family. Now you know
they're able to see it. You know, Peter brought you know,
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my dad into it, asking you know, for my hand
in marriage and it you know, my family was heartbroken
as well, like this is real life and a lot
of people got entertainment out of it, and you know,
I guess, you know, obviously that's what I signed up for,
but it's my heart and my life and what I'm
carrying forward. When you're when Peter, when your dad told
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Peter not to say I love you unless he really
really meant it, And the way that your dad said,
it made me feel like, don't say it unless, like
you know it's her, like you're going to pick her.
And at that moment, Jared was like he better beat her,
like I'm rooting for hand and all the way now
because like this man better keep his word to this father.
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And well he did, he proposed to you, um, but
then he went and kind of wasted that for this
engagement moment, which was something that like a lot I
think the females and the audience were just like I
took that away from her like the first and what
somebody hopes is your only proposal. How does your your
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dad feel about him now? And and how how are
you you feeling better these days about all that? Or yeah,
you know when my dad was talking with Peter like
don't waste a word. Um. You know, the backstory behind
that is my dad was telling Peter about kind of
my upbringing and like you know, the family I was
raised in and how marriage and engagement and words are
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just really are so important and so don't never you know.
And that's kind of where it came in with Fantasy
sweet week, Like I've always had this, you know, this
side of not pressuring anyone to do or say anything. Um,
And that's kind of where my dad was, like, you know,
don't say anything because you're feeling pressured because of the
show or because you're in the moment. If you're going
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to say something, mean it and follow through with it.
And um, you know Peter saying I love you, Peter,
you know, getting engaged to me. Even afterwards, you know,
he had conversations with my parents about you know, making
sure to make me feel loved and chosen in first
place every single day and you know, he gave me
those words of affirmation that kept me hopeful and kept
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me with him. And so it was a huge disappointment
for my parents. I mean they were heartbroken as well.
I think the main thing my dad says is he
was like I tried to protect you. Like I tried,
you know, I did everything that I could. But also,
you know, I put my trust in Peter, who I
really didn't know quite well, but I put my trust
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in him, and you know, this has happened. And I
think my dad was, you know, so heartbroken because he
felt like he didn't maybe necessarily do his part um
and like protecting me. I the one thing I can
really hear on is that season of in between. Um,
you know you and I share some similar stories in
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a way, right, there is there wasn't another person in
my story, but there was a broken engagement, there was
a broken relationship that was publicly displayed. There was family
pain involved. I have now been able to heal. Right.
I want to promise you that if any pains and
brokenness inside of you right now, like it's gonna heal,
You're gonna be very happy one day. Um, you know
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I'm now engaged and uh and just thriving, I guess.
But in the in the heat of it and in
the heart of that season, it's hard, it's confusing. Um,
it's it's heavy, and so there's a lot there to unpack, hannahan,
because there's in my eyes, in my not like just
(33:47):
thinking back, there's three elements. One is knowing that it's
about to end, like getting the sense that something is
desperately wrong. I remember that. Two is the ending, like
the band they'd been ripped off, knowing that it's over.
And three, at least in this show and this experience,
is the public getting brought into this broke and this
(34:09):
breakup and their opinions there dislike towards maybe Peter, their
criticism of possibly you, their criticism of Peter's family, uh of,
then the celebration of you, the celebration of Peter, the
celebration of um Peter saying, like, all those elements are
tied up into this and it makes it extremely hard
and difficult and heavy for a season. So if we
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could start at point number one, when did you start
to know that things were falling apart? Falling apart? It
was about two weeks before we broke up. I just
had a sense um that it was just going to
be extremely difficult to work through this, and he was
(34:52):
giving me. You know, the thing is is the most
important thing I learned is that like when I'm with someone,
I need to allow the them to show me who
they are, not tell me, because you know, with me
mine and Peter's timeline, he was just able to tell
me who he is and not show me because we
didn't have that much time. And then when we were separated,
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you know, he was living in California, I was still
in Tynasee, so he wasn't able to like truly show
me that only through his words, and he's very good
with his words, and my and I love like I'm
a words of affirmation kind of a person, so he
was just able to send me his words to keep
me in this And I think that's probably what like
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did us the most damaged, because I feel like if
we were living close or were able to see each
other more, maybe I would have or we both would
have been able to pick up on two. I think
we both would have been able to pick up on
that we weren't good for one another. But he just,
you know, continue giving me words of affirmation like he
said he would. I did the same. And so when
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we were able to like truly have these serious conversations
about season, it was just so like all over the
place and so confusing, and like he kept giving me
the words of affirmation to keep me there. But at
the same time, I'm like, who do I go to,
Like I need advice, Like I need to talk to
someone who's been in this situation, and I couldn't, Like
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I was on my own. Um, I didn't tell anyone
because I didn't want to bring anyone into this mess
and then also have the contract of ABC, I can't
open up to anyone. I was just like inside just
like begging just for someone that I can go to
and just be like what do I do? And I
(36:36):
am I do you know? And I always kind of
put it back on me, like am I not being
supportive enough? Am I not being understand um? And it
was just a mess for both of us because he
had some people to reach out to, but he was
lost still. It's it's interesting you're like isolated before isolation
was something we all have to do, Like you were
(36:58):
completely isolated, yeah, from I couldn't share my emotions I
felt like with anyone because and that's why the season
went unspoiled for the longest time, is because most of
the time it gets like, you know, broke, it gets
broken out through like whoever you know ends up with
the bachelor bachelorette. But I, like, I made that commitment
(37:20):
not to say anything, so that's pretty cool. Well, I
didn't want everyone to be like, well, you ruined the
season because you you told your friend and your friend
you know, had a fun night at a bar and
told someone like I never wanted that on me, Like
I never wanted more criticism. You know. It's cool and
hard though I was gonna say that that's like the
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weirdest word that came to my head it was cool
for us to watch an unspoiled season, and it was
cool for us. It's for you to you to abide
by your contracts so well. But also but also like
it's it's I feel so sad for you having to
keep that in Um. Were you releast sharing it with
(38:03):
your family? No? No, because I you know, when I
called them after me and Peter broke up, they were
like what, like they could send something was off about me,
but they were very taken back. When Peter's parents were
taken back, Um, Peter opened up to his parents about
(38:23):
his emotions. I didn't because I knew my parents would
advise me to just just walk away from it completely. Um.
And also I think it was like a lot of pride,
and you know, I made this commitment to him, and
you know, I was excited. I told my grandparents and
told my parents, and I didn't want like in my
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mind it was always going to be like a one
and done, Like I had that concrete in my mind,
like nothing was ever going to change that. You know,
I said, yes, and we are together and we're gonna
make it work. Um. And I took like a lot
of like I was proud of us, and I was
proud of you know, us as a couple, and I
couldn't I wasn't ever gonna let any challenge or bump
(39:09):
in the road take away from that. I thought we
were supposed to be partners and you know, challenge one
another and take on Lap's greatest, you know, our biggest trials. Um.
So I was just kind of seeing this as a
bump in the road, but really, in reality, we just
were not compatible. Your vulnerability, They're like, I appreciate it
because I get it, and I think take away the
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show from this, like a lot of people who feel
that way when it comes to breakups is like they
have pride, They've told their friends, they've told their family,
they are excited, they know it's not for the best. Um.
You know, you add in the public element to this,
and I can relate with you is the embarrassment and
the the fear in the sense that you feel when
you know it's ending. Of Uh, what, like, how am
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I supposed to explain this? Like how especially coming from
you know, I am a believer in Jesus. That's people
at to the podcast do not That's not a surprise
to him. Um. And it's not even that that adds
a burden to it. It's the public perception of the
conservative church, like the one that like, breaking up an
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engagement is such a huge deal, and you and I
both have felt that, and I'm and I'm sorry that
you've had to feel that, because that's it's hard and
it's heavy. It's worked out for the best for me.
I believe it will do the same for you. I
just want to say thank you for sharing that because
I remember that time and it was I mean, Ashley
and I started the podcast like the week afterwards, and
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I know Ashley could remember how heavy that felt on
me during that time. So Ashley, go ahead. Sorry, do
you guys think that you broke up because you were incompatible?
You keep saying you're you're incompatible. How do you think
you're incompatible? And you think it was more that than
it was his mind on someone else. I think we're
(40:54):
incompatible because we don't see love the same way. We
didn't see any engagement the same way. That's where I
think we're incompatible. Also because I'm not I don't speak
and have truths. He was speaking and have troops and
never truly told me you know, it's like Jason and
are like when they ended, you know, with the person
(41:15):
that they've chosen. You know, they both were like, I'm
going back to this person. They like they gave them
that respect to tell them to their face. I was
never given that. Um, that's why I think we're not
compatible because we just we we communicate our emotions differently. Now,
So watching that back and you comparing it to Ari
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and Jason, I'm thinking he didn't say I'm going to
go after this person, because I don't even think he
was sure if he was going to go back after Maddie.
And now that we see all the Kelly stuff coming out,
was he was he not trying to go after Mattie
and thinking about somebody else thinking about Kelly? Yeah? Yeah,
(41:58):
you are absolutely right. It's a different in situation and
because it keeps getting up messier. But I kind of
go back to my part with him is done, and um,
whatever he does moving forward is his own business. I'm
sure we'll continue to see headlines made about him. Did
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he ever? Did he ever get? Is that hard? No?
It's not. And I'm being completely honest because I've been
through harder and it's kind of what Ben was saying,
the fear of us ending our engagement was the hardest part.
You know, I've gone through like the terrible like where
you just feel like you've hit rock bottom. Um. And
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so whatever he does now, it doesn't doesn't hurt because
I'm just so thankful I'm not living that with him,
living that confusion all over the place. Don't really know
kind of where your head and heart's at. Like, I'm
just so thankful that my part of it is done. Um,
you know, I'm creating a happy, stable life for myself now.
(43:04):
You know. Do you think did he ever say Madison's
name and your breakup or the week's leading up to
your breakup? Yes? Yeah, And it seemed as if his
intention was to get back with her ala Ari and
Jason not exactly, not exactly. Didn't seem like that. Um.
(43:26):
I know, you know him and Kelly had messaged each
other back and forth, um on Instagram and stuff. I
just always taking I don't know, I don't think he
had like ill intent. Um. I think he was just
very very confused with his emotions, whether that was with
Kelly or Madison, um, wherever that was. I don't think
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he truly even knew where his heart was at. Do
you think that watching the show back made him think
about Kelly again, because truly, at the end of their
relationship on the show, it seemed like they were completely
incompatible and that was not somebody who I thought he'd revisit. Yeah,
(44:12):
ah walking, I mean watching back the season, probably he
was reliving feelings for you know, Kelly and Madison and
who and and and whoever else. His point of view was,
it's always hard to see an X on TV. It's
just it's uncomfortable in the hard So I would try
to be like, Okay, we're in a very different circumstance. Um,
(44:35):
I guess I'll be understanding of that. But also, um,
I kind of had to accept that, like I deserve
to be with someone who is unwavering on how they
feel towards me, or like they know exactly what they want,
they know exactly where their hearts at and nothing's going
to change that. So you say that he was messaging Kelly,
(44:58):
and then you also made this you dropped a bomb
on us when you said that he also had gone
to Hannah By for some sort of closure. How did
he go about that? If you're willing to tell us, Oh, yeah,
with him and Kelly, I think they were. I know
that he told me that they had communicated through Instagram.
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I don't know where that exactly began. I was just
kind of like, Okay, you know, when I'm with someone,
I trust them, and he's a you know, a good guy.
I don't think I don't know when like more of
their communication started. It probably started after, you know, after
he was single again or once he was single again. Um.
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And then with Hannah Brown, he came to me saying
that he needed closure with her, and I was just like,
oh crap, Like, how am I supposed to feel about this? Um?
You know, I thought, you know, when you're with someone,
any anything that's gone on in the past, has like
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like you had closure. And all I've ever wanted is
to be with someone and they're so happy to be
with me. It makes sense why it never worked out
with anyone else. That's beautiful. I mean, that's what we
all hope, right, And I remember it's why you know,
we didn't watch back my season during that time because
it was gonna be too hard. It was too weird.
(46:24):
I mean, it's just weird, Like you don't that's not natural.
At any level. There's nothing about that that's healthy. Um
to do, Hannah and Uh, I have we have to
get to parts two and three and then we have
to talk about barb um. But before we do, let's
take one break. We have Hannah and on the almost
famous in Debth podcast. We're gonna take a break and
come back to speak more about her story and where
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she's at today. Hannah and I told you before the
break that there is three ways that I view this
knowing or we've been and one of them is leading
up to the breakup. Two is the breakup, which we've
talked about uh quite off quite a bit on this
(47:07):
podcast so far. I do want to add one point, um,
just maybe one commentary is that, Yeah, as actually mentioned earlier,
the sympathy and empathy that you felt for Peter as
that breakup was happening was beyond I mean, it's it's
unlike anything uh the world really ever feels and sees like.
Typically breakups are are just super ugly because both sides
(47:28):
get defensive and contentious, and you didn't. Um, I just
wanna before I get then the point three is I
just want to know is from my side, and again
this is me giving you commentary on your relationship, which
is just so weird, so wrong. But is any of
that because you know, this was after the show had
started airing. You knew how much criticism Peter was already getting.
(47:51):
You already knew how like chaotic his mind was and
how confused he was, and you were just like thinking, hey,
I love you still, I want it's best for you,
but I know you just gotta go figure some stuff out.
Or what was you Why were you so caring to
him in that moment? I was so I mean, oh, well,
thank you m because I loved him. You know, I
(48:14):
was in love with him, and all I ever asked
in return was the truth, And um, I went. Wasn't
a sense relieved because you know, we were together, we
were engaged for two months and it was just the
last month was just hell. I mean, it was just
trying to figure out you know, like when you're with
someone you know something's up, something, but you can't quite
(48:36):
put a finger on it. And we're still getting to
know each other because we just got off the show.
We're living apart. Um, his words aren't necessarily aligning up
with the vibe I'm getting, And so when he finally
told me, you know, the truth, that he can't give
me his full heart. I was just had a sense
of relief and just knew in my heart that he
(48:59):
didn't me in it in an unkind way. Um, he
was just very lost and confused. And I felt relieved
in a sense that I can just kind of just
pick up all the broken pieces and you know, slowly
move on. Were you expecting production at that scene? I
(49:19):
looked like, crap, Oh I didn't. You're beautiful always No, Okay, okay.
If you guys ever watched a bag, you'll see that
I had a pop blood vessels because I had a
pop blove ve'ssel in my eye because I was crying
so much leading up to that. My hair was all greasy,
I had bags underneath my eyes. I looked like I
had the breakup look going on. Um. We knew, um
(49:41):
that they were going to be filming. Um. But before
we got there, you know, we had a phone call
that I think, like his last text me even was
like that that we got this, that this is gonna
be a difficult conversation, but we got this that were
we were committed to each other. And I don't even
think walk into you know, the house that day. Peter
(50:03):
maybe even knew we were going to break up. I
think it just kind of surfaced naturally. And when you're
kind of pressured into having a conversation and um, you know,
when he said he couldn't give me his full heart,
that's when it's just like, you know, there's no turning back.
You know, there's you. You don't repair that, especially once
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you're engaged. Like that's a pretty heavy comment to make.
Like I think about my life with Jessica now, and
if I looked at her and said I'm not gonna
be able to give you my full heart like that
would be really confusing for our relationship and in every
way like that would discount what we were committing to
and planning on, which is a life together. So I
can imagine that was heavy and it makes sense that
(50:46):
things ended during that time, But they did. I mean,
that's the note we take from this is they ended. Uh.
And before I leave it to Ashley to kind of
talk about life now with you, I want to just
get a note on this is the third piece of
what I said was life afterwards that I remember going
around and telling my friends. The hardest part about a
breakup publicly is that everybody picks a team there, their team, you,
(51:09):
their team the other person, or they're just uh, not
supportive at all. And so you hear people back they
think people think it feels good to bad mouth the
person that hurt you, um and this when it doesn't.
You don't want that, and I know you don't want that.
For Peter, how has life been, uh since the breakup
(51:29):
with the rumors that have been swirling? Uh? And then Ashley,
I'll let you, uh to speak about kind of what
how the impact of Peter's family has been on your
life because I know they were close with you. It's
been like so amazing all of the support I've been given,
just you know, the encouragement. It all kind of came
out once because you know, at first I was holding
(51:49):
in like a very exciting secret that I was engaged,
couldn't even tell my best friend. And then I was
afterwards we broke up, and I was holding in this
horrible secret you know, that I've been engaged and I've
been betrayed. And I had felt like I had the
support of my family and you know, close friends that
knew I was going through difficult time. But I at
(52:13):
the same time felt very isolated. So then overnight it
turned into I had, you know, dozens and thousands of
people that are on my side, that are cheering me on,
and it was the most incredible feeling. It literally happened overnight.
So it was just I went from feeling isolated and
not being able to tell anyone about what I was
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going through to like everyone knowing and getting so much
support and it like truly and it meant so much
more because I didn't have that before, you know, and
so like every compliment or every encouraging word, like it
means so much more to me. We um, you know,
after after this conversation today, it's very apparent why Barb
would love you so much, and after and after after
(52:57):
seeing the way that you disrespect it loved her son
even through that breakup scene. We get it, like we
get why Barba looves you now, but we also want
to know more about like your lunch date you know
with her, like when they had the families and you
met the family for the first time, like she you
left her on cloud nine. Tell us more about what
(53:21):
we didn't see there. Yeah, so meeting Peter's family like
that was and still is like one of the best
days I think I've ever had, just because I loved
his family so much. I just felt like an instant bond.
So when I walk in, I start okay. When me
and Barba eyes on each other for the first time,
(53:42):
we both started crying. We started crying, and we just
instantly connected. Like we sit down on the couch and
like we have like short like a little like like
a little conversation. And then his parents were like, oh
my gosh, you you guys are just like us, like
and then we do it cheers of her saying like
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I hope like you are a part of our family,
something along those lines. And Barbe told me she loved
me before Peter did. That is fantastic. She was like,
I just want to take you home with me to
l a like please come back, please, I just want
to take you home, Come on, Peter. And so but
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Barbe still gave, you know, she still you know, gave
me some tough love and you know, asked me some
difficult questions about, you know, my faith and my lifestyle
and how we would fit together and if I love
Peter or not. So we definitely had you know, those
difficult conversations. But you know, I was just myself and
I think our common ground or our common ground was
(54:47):
is that she loves Peter and I loved him, and
we were always going to look out for him. And
I don't know, I think she just really appreciated appreciated
that I just like accepted accepted him for who he
is and was in Um, it was always just going
to try to be like the best partner that I
could be for him. How did you feel about Barbara
(55:07):
after seeing the way she treated Maddie on the Live show? Yeah,
something must have happened, you know. I feel like we're
missing a huge part of that story. Yeah. Yeah, thankfully
I'm not a part of that story, but I know
her well enough to know, you know, she's been nothing
but kind to me. Um, she you know, I said
(55:29):
multiple times I considered her a second mom. But something
must have happened there, and UM, I'm glad I'm out
of it. One of the things we always like to do,
Hannah and UH is kind of in these in depth
episodes with giving you this the time to speak to
anybody out there listening. Um, because I know there's stuff
(55:49):
that you felt. There's anxieties you felt, there's joys that
you felt, there's things you want to celebrate with people,
and there's things that have that you've had a push
and meat the surface. Uh, We're just gonna give you
this time. I don't know, take his long as you
want to. Anybody out there listening going, hey, honey, and
this has been awesome. I feel like I'm finally getting
to know you, or maybe I've always loved you and
this just solidifies that love. Or maybe somebody out there
(56:09):
is going hannay and I don't understand you and I
need to know more. Uh. What would you say to
anybody out there listening who has followed your journey for
the last year, um, and and who just wants to
hear from you. I think you know, in the beginning
of the season, a lot of people got like, you know,
the wrong impression of me. But I'm really grateful for
(56:31):
each person that has been able to like stay open
minded about me and still been you know, and been
able to like see my journey and UM, just take
me for who I am. I mean, this journey or
this experience I don't like to say journey, but this
experience season, Uh, this season of life has just been.
(56:52):
You know, I've experienced like the highs. You know I've
I've enjoyed the highs. But I also know, you know,
I can survive like the lowest points that I feel
like life can get. There's been times where like I
just don't even feel getting up out of bed because
I was just so hurt and broken and scared for
all this to come out. So really, like my word
(57:13):
for anyone is we can all be bonded by one thing,
and that is we all hurt. We all are going
to suffer at some point in our lives, whether it's
through a heartbreak or hardship. But just know that, you know,
if you are never truly alone. Even in my situation,
and I couldn't open up to very many people about it,
but for me, like my foundation was my faith and
(57:35):
what truly brought me through it, and like how I
like how I felt like my heart was so damaged
and just twisted and broken, like I just ultimately just
just gave it to God because I knew that he
was in control and that he would never allow this
to happen if he didn't have like a greater plan,
And that brought like a lot of peace and every day.
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I had to choose peace. I had to choose joy.
I had to choose letting it all go, you know,
because I had had anchor, I had sadness. I you know,
I had so many emotions and I just had to
choose every single day not to allow that to get
the best of me and to make me a better person. Well,
Hannah and Uh, I appreciate you should being here today.
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It's been awesome talking to you. It's been great to
finally get to know you. You You are really just terrific
interview and not like, hey, you're the terrific interview because
you put on a show. It's just a good interview.
It's fun to talk to you. Um. You remind me
a lot of our interview with Hannah g that we did. Um,
I don't know how long ago, very similar, Ashley. Uh,
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it's now your time to do one of your favorite
things on any in depth episode, UM take over. Okay,
are you ready for a little rapid fire? We like
to finish it out fun and it's gonna be a
Bachelor edition of rapid Fire. Okay ready, so you can
just use like two or three words. Have you been
(59:01):
on a date since breaking up with Peter. Yes. Have
you been on multiple dates with the same person since
breaking up with Peter? Yes? Was this person a bachelor person? No? Okay? Um,
is there somebody in Bachelor Nation that you think is
cute and you'll be open to dating? Um? Not right now.
(59:28):
I think everyone's great, but I would have to get
to know them first before society and you have to
stop dating whoever it is that you've been dating before
you could or I'm not dating, I'm not exclusive, I'm
not gonna be exclusive for a long Do you have
to answer that truthfully? Of going off of that, would
you be open to Bachelor in Paradise? Yes, I'd be open.
(59:50):
And who is the bachelor ALAM who has reached out
and been the most supportive bachelor ALAM? Other than Hannah? Okay?
And of Hannah gee oh man, there's there's been a few.
Raven has been really great and Cassie. I've spoken with
Cassie quite a bit. Um. Yeah, they're both two really
(01:00:13):
good ones. I really like both of them. And Hannah
you wait? First off? Great question? Uh? Have you always
been Hannah? And or is it because last season had
so many Hannahs that you became Hannah? And Yeah? Well, uh,
I wanted so, like growing up like in the South,
there's obviously a lot of hannah's um and plussing this out.
(01:00:34):
This like typical for like it to be a double name.
So his name after both my grandmother's. I had Grandma
Hannah and then Grandma Carol Anne, and so I was
the firstborn grandchild and my grandmother's refuting over who was
gonna be named after. So when I was younger, I
was always called Hannah ann Um And then going on
to the show just with Hannah Brown and Hannah Gee,
(01:00:55):
I was like, oh, well let's push it back to Hannah. Yeah, ok,
eprict Well it was a good decision, a really good decision.
Thank you so much for being here today. I just
love getting to know you, and it just reaffirms for
me that like, we can't pretend like we know these
people on TV when we're watching because there's so much
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that we don't get to see in your storyline, and uh,
it's it was. It's too bad we didn't get to
know you on TV as well as we've gotten to
know today. Thank you guys for me the opportunity to
share more of myself and you know, to listen to
you guys. You guys have been awesome. It's been like
very therapeutic. This is a good therapy for me. I agree. Well,
(01:01:38):
that's what these in the Depth episodes are about. Hey,
if if we don't get to know you well enough
through this show, then you're gonna come on here. Uh,
and Nash and I just want to sit down and
get to know you better. Handing and thanks again, Handy.
I need you to participate in one last thing. Okay. Um,
we end every episode of the Almost Famous Podcast in
the same way, so follow our lead. Okay, you're gonna
be doing the same thing as us. Hey, listeners out there, Uh,
(01:02:02):
you've been great. Uh, we appreciate you. I hope, we
hope you've enjoyed listening to Hannah and on the in
Depth podcast. Once again, to reiterate what Ashley said, Hannah
and was amazing with that, I've been been, I've been Ashley,
I've been hand Later, guys, follow the Benn and Ashley
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This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in depth. Hey,
everybody listening out there, we are still in self isolation.
So once again we want to give a little disclaimer
that if you hear dogs barking Ashley, or computer typing,
or if you hear any background noise, uh, please forgive us.
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It is the season of life we're living in. But
we don't want this season of life to slow us
down from producing great episodes of the almost famous podcast Ashley,
How you feeling the day? I'm feeling good. We have
a very awesome guest, a big one huge Hannah and
is on the podcast, and from the two minutes that
(00:43):
we got to briefly talk to her, I was like, oh,
I gotta like this girl. You have great vibe. Fanna
well good, Well, thank you guys for having me. I
was really excited to be here. It's uh, it's it's great, Hannah.
You know we're just talking before you came on about
how well really the podcast world has taken uh over
a lot of media in the last couple of years,
(01:03):
Ashley and I are I don't know how many what
is it going on? Like three and a half years
of doing this thing, we've gotten to talk to a
lot of the fan favorites coming off the show. It's
always fun for us and and that's why these in
depth episodes were started to get to know, uh, the
fan favorites a little bit better, to get to dive
into who you are as a person, and then also, uh,
what the show meant to you holistically and how it
(01:24):
affected you. But a little background here, Uh, Hannah is
from Hannah and is from Knoxville, Tennessee. She was on
Peter Webber's season of The Bachelor. Uh. They were engaged
at the end of the season after Madison walked away
from the competition. It was revealed on the Live After
final after the final Rows show they had ended their engagement. However,
(01:47):
a little note here is remember that Hannah Ann was
always Peter's mom's favorite. But before all of this craziness started, Uh,
she was a former beauty pageant contestant and finished his
first runner up in the two fifteen Missed Tennessee teen
us A competition and in two thousand eighteen Miss Tennessee
USA competition. Hey, the final thing is, we got to
(02:08):
have a little shout out here to Chris Lane because
we all know that we have a connection with Chris
Lane somehow, some way, uh, and you're in his I
don't know about you music videos. So, Hannah, and once again,
welcome to the almost Famous in Depth podcast. True. Thank
you so much for having me. That's so funny about
Chris Lane. Now, I'm just making that, Isn't that funny?
(02:31):
A lot of bachelor connections with Chris? All right, So Hannah,
tell us about just your childhood. How you know, where
were you born? How many siblings do you have? Your
parents still together? Yeah, So I grew up in Knoxville, Tennessee.
I'm the oldest. My dad is a worster. My mom's
a teacher. I have a younger brother, Wade, and a
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younger sister, Hayley. So me and my brother we're only
eighteen months apart. And then my sister, she's about five
years younger than me. So I grew up like in Knoxville,
Like it's definitely more like a smaller town. I grew
up like more conservatively. My parents have been married for
over twenty six years, um and so really, like me,
even doing something like this show was like wild to
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them because in the South, like you get married young
and like it's very um through like the community I
grew up, and it was a very cookie cutter, you know,
like this is kind of what you do, and there's
nothing wrong with that. It's just I've always kind of
been like a wild card in the sense of just
wanting to like always do something different. Um And so
really like growing up, it was just like whenever I
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was able to travel, it was just like to the
beach like once a year. So that's really how I
got into modelings because I wanted to travel and like
see the world and like see like different ways to
live in different views of life and just everything. Uh,
because I kind of grew up like a little bit
in a in a bubble. So that's kind of like
my upbringing of which is completely different than the path
(04:02):
I have chosen. You know, I can relate in a
lot of ways though, And I think that's the one
thing that uh, you know, Hannah and your family stood
out to me and I and I watch uh most
of the episodes every season. It's part of it helps
me with this and then it helps us dissect. But
I sometimes skip around on the first episode actually knows this.
(04:22):
I just don't love the first episode of any season
because I just feel like it's long. But I your
your family stood out to me. One is because it
felt like a family that I, you know, would understand,
a more conservative family. Uh, one that has a really
beautiful life. Uh, you know have have done the right
try to make decisions to stay on a on a
(04:42):
very clear path. Uh. Coming from Indiana, that is not
something that is not unknown to me. It's it's how
I grew up. But I also know then the effects
of all of a sudden calling or just really not
even your family because they might understand, but going on
a show shaking life up to the degree that you did,
and how to respond to that, um to your not
(05:03):
only to your family, but your hometown. And I want
to start this podcast with this question because it's one
that I have felt deeply. How was your worldview or
and and to explain that, how how did going onto
the show, how you viewed the world? And then after
doing the show and after moving to l A and
all these things. Uh, how has your view of the
world changed after being in that conservative environment for so long? Yeah,
(05:28):
it's like growing up in a conservative environment. You know,
I was around a lot of people who viewed and
lived life all the same way, and so I was
able to see peaks of it when I was traveling
with work and I lived in like and I lived
in different places before. But really through the show, it
gave me the opportunity to really understand the importance of
(05:50):
getting to know someone and not just judging them right
off the bat, because when you get to know someone
in their background, you're able to see this is why
they respond this way. And so I think my appreciation
just for people and just like take even if I'm
not like someone's biggest fan, just appreciating them, like their qualities.
That's like where my view of the world and people
(06:10):
have changed is just taking the time to get to
know someone because then you'll have a better understanding, especially
their background. When you really get to know someone, um
and like that maybe the trials that they've been through,
you're able to have a better pers on who they
are and ultimately appreciate them more. I mean, and I
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think a lot of your story, uh, Hannah, is one
that we didn't get to see a lot of, Ashley
and I uh just and I don't know if you
listen to the podcast or not, but we were critical
at times of this season because we felt like there
was some some great contestants at the beginning, but very
little character development. We didn't feel like we got to
know you ladies as well as what we have on
previous seasons. One of the things we that became a
(06:54):
theme later on in UM this season was the topic
of faith. And uh, I believe I remember your family
speaking to that during the very first episode. Is kind
of your your faith and how important it was to you?
Am I wrong? Do it? Is that true? So as you?
And and this isn't really even a question that I
(07:16):
had even prepped to ask, but it makes me. I'm
intrigued now if you're hearing your upbringing, hearing uh, kind
of how much it shook life a bit, hearing the
lessons you learned as you watch kind of madison story
playing out during the show, and then also after watching
it back. Do you ever wish you would have really
that your story of faith would have been told more? Uh?
(07:37):
Were you kind of on her team? How did you
analyze that situation? You guys might have different you know,
beliefs when it comes to physical intimacy and those things.
I'm not that's not you know what I'm asking. I'm
saying just when it comes to how outspoken she was
about her faith and how outspoken at the beginning you
were about yours. How what was that environment like when
you're in the show and then watching it back right, Uh,
(07:58):
I think watching back this know, you only see like
blippets of me. And I think that was probably the
most frustrating part, is that there wasn't a lot of
getting to know me and more of like my character
and my intent of why I was there. And so
I did speak with Peter. I remember in Cleveland. I
you know, it was our conversations. It was like it
(08:19):
was at the it was right after the football game,
so it was supposed to be like the V I
P Party, and it was like when we were still
getting to know each other and we had a very
serious conversation and like, hey, this is my faith, this
is how I lived my life. Like let's see if
our match up. And I was very upfront with him
about that, and um, we felt like we had that
emotional spiritual connection. We were going to see how that grew.
(08:42):
So I was, you know, I would have loved for
my faith, which is a huge part of me, to
be shown more on the show. But that was really
how me and Madison, like that was where our friendship was,
you know, founded on just because we both had faith
are we both shared as we we both shared similar
lacks style, you know, we're both Christians. Um, we definitely
(09:04):
both live our lives a little differently, but that was
where we bonded. And it's so it's kind of untraditional
to be in this scenario on a TV show where
you're dating someone is dating multiple people. UM, And I
definitely struggled with that, but I also knew, you know,
I always kind of went back to what my parents
always taught me, and like love is about acceptance and
forgiveness and being unconditional, and that's kind of always where
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that That's what kept me in it with Peter is
you know what how I we love, which is being unconditional.
Going off of what Ben asked you, I feel like
here in the twelve minutes that we've been recording and
in the final couple episodes we finally got to see you,
We're like, oh, this is Hannah. I like her, but
(09:49):
I haven't got I didn't know her for the past
eleven weeks. This is frustrating. Um, do you think that
possibly your storyline went that way because they wanted us
to feel more of an attachment to Madison and then
be more surprised when Peter ends up proposing to you.
(10:12):
That is a really good theory. Um. I mean, when
I was watching, you know, the first couple episodes, I'm like,
oh my gosh, I'm like, oh, you know, it definitely
was disheartening because I knew every I knew I was gonna,
you know, be given like the wrong impression of me.
But I knew how the season would end, and that
was when I was with Peter, So I knew how
(10:33):
the season would end. Um. And unfortunately, even how it ended,
you guys weren't able to see a lot of our
very serious conversations me and Peter had, so it kind
of seemed like our proposal came out of the blue,
great like that came out of nowhere. So the first
episode aired, When the first episode aired, and you got
to see what you came across, like then you were
(10:53):
you were still engaged to Peter. Yes, that was okay.
So about what week into this US watching did you
and Peter have that conversation that we saw aired at
the end. It was um, right after Cleveland, So that
would have been. So that is interesting that almost um
(11:16):
just qualifies my theory. Well, you know, it's interesting to
Ashley and as I hear from Hanahan here and Hannah,
and please Ashley and I are are fully able to
be criticized and critiqued here, so you can tell us
you guys are off wildly. But one of the things
that one of the biggest injustices I think to Peter,
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which he's dealing with now, and also probably to you,
Hannah Anne, is that when he did propose to you,
it was a shock, at least to me personally. I
can't speak for all the fans, but it was like
whoa that was shocked and it almost felt like, um,
well Madison left. So I'm just gonna pick Hannahan. I mean,
(11:57):
and and I say that like, I know this is
like I've been on this thing, Like I know that
there's real feelings, real emotions, like I know there's a
depth of this stuff. Like Hanna, I'm not trying to
discredit your relationship with Peter, but I do think it
was it has been an injustice to him and probably
to you because all of us just assumed like, well,
he just did what he had to do, because it
(12:18):
was the only one left. When you're saying, no, this
like wasn't a shock to you, like you knew you
had something special, Like there was there was a realness
your relationship. Do you just mind leaning into that a
little bit and explaining to the listeners and to Ashley
and I, um, so we maybe get a better perspective
of how real your relationship was with Peter. Oh yeah,
I mean I wouldn't have been there or what I
(12:40):
wouldn't have shown up if we didn't if it I
didn't see a future with him, I think, you know,
I would have loved too for you know, viewers to
have seen you know, his bond with my family more
and my bond with his family, because obviously, you know
that was very strong because everyone was able to see
you know, barbed support towards me, which also viewers are
probably like, where is that coming from? But we all
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just you know, our families and us two at that
time felt like we were the perfect fit for for
one another. We um really just you know, for us,
we just accepted one another. And you know, kind of
my perspective on the whole Bachelor, you know, being with
him was after this, after the season. After the season ended,
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this is where we truly begin, and whatever happened on
the show is in the past, and really just keeping
the big picture in mind and focusing on our our
goals for one another and our goals as a couple.
I'm really building that. And we had a lot of
those very serious conversations leading up to our engagement. So
obviously watching the season, I'm able to have a clearer
(13:49):
perspective of why things ended. But also there was a
lot um, you know, of our moments missing that would
have maybe open people's eyes to how strong our connection
was during the show and and even after. Because we
had happy couples as well, So how many happy happy
couple of weekends as you have we have? The show
(14:10):
made it seem like that was your first no no
about three oh gree yeah, so it was healthy for you?
Like were they good the happy couple? Yeah, every happy
couple was happy until the last one it became unhappy.
(14:32):
So so what was it that happened before that happy
couple of weekends? Because it was very strange. It was
like all of a sudden, you guys had some conversation,
and that's why I think the audience assumed that was
the first happy couple of weekend you had in the
first time you were seeing Peterson's finding out that Madison
had left this show, but that you knew that Madison
(14:54):
left right after you got engaged. I found out after
we got engaged. And how did you take that information?
Did you feel at all like you could have been
second place in that situation? I knew, deep down, I
knew I was in some trouble because it was going
to be difficult, um to overcome that. You know, as
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you know, we're kind of starting off. You know, we
had the pressure of all the viewers judging us as
a couple and then this situation, but we were committed
to working it through, and um, you know, I had
said yes and made that commitment and we were you know,
I was excited and hopeful and in love. And you know,
(15:37):
I'm not a dummy, you know, if I'm not going
to be with someone who doesn't want to be with me.
So he was giving me the words of affirmation that
I needed to make me feel um chosen and first,
and that we were going to make this work. Plus
we have both of our family's support as well, so
I'm like, okay, you know, I'm not I'm not just
gonna say yes and then say peace out. You know,
I just found out about Madison leaving. Um, that's what
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that was. That that wasn't what I was going to do,
you know, So that what was that fight about going
into that happy couple of weekend? So what had happened
between like, you know, our engagement, our last happy couple.
We had not seen each other for a month, and
in the between that month, the season started, and so
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that was where being started to surface. And honestly, um,
you know, Peter's not a mean person. I think he
was honestly just trying to It was new to him,
and he was trying to figure out exactly what was
going on and within within his own self and had
(16:41):
trouble communicating with that. He had trouble communicating with that
with me, And UM, I think that's what kind of
um as. I think that's what kind of made the
situation worse. UM is that had trouble you know, completely
being truthful, But I think it went back to he
wasn't quite sure what was going on within his own
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zell M. That's an interesting thing to sit on though
for a second. I mean it we've actually not explained.
It often is this world gets like a it's a whirlwind.
Oftentimes it feels like you're turning in circles trying to
figure out what's happening. While at the same time you
believe or you think you have these certain um emotions
and love for another human, which you probably and usually do.
(17:23):
But it's hard to navigate in the midst of the
chaos that is just a whole new world. As you said,
I mean, at the very beginning we open this up,
you said, Hey, I came from like a conservative town
where people get married early on in life, and like
it's a pretty clear and approach, and people move forward
in the only way they know how, which is typically
how their parents have done it. Uh. And again I
(17:44):
say that with this like with the ability to relate,
like I understand what you're saying there. So you then say,
for example, like a you or a Peter or Madison
Um or whoever else does in the show gets thrown
onto this show and it's a new environment for everybody,
especially those of us who have very rarely had our
worlds like shaken and rocked. Um, and it's hard to navigate,
(18:06):
Like it's chaos and it feels like chaos. One of
the things I just want to get clarity here is
um one of the topics that was written into us,
wanting to get a little more information on or how
you felt about it and uh and if you don't,
if at any point here you're like, hey, I just
this hurts too much. I don't want to talk about it.
That's fine, just say it um. But during the proposal,
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Peter brought up Madison's name during it and had kind
of like hinted at, hey, she's gone. Did you know then?
Was it just like you were confused knowing like what
he was now watching back, knowing what he was trying
to say and communicate to you. Does that feel weird?
Like it was super critical or criticized. I want to
(18:47):
hear from you on like on what you think. Yeah,
in them in that moment, that wasn't very clear to me,
you know, like it so leading up to that day,
you know, I did not know she had left. Um.
(19:08):
You know, we had our like last chance state where
we were able to sit down and like talk, and
you know the only thing I heard was, um, my
heart's being torn in two different directions. I didn't know
that meant, my other half of my heart's in Auburn, Alabama,
And I've watched The Bachelor before, Like that's very you know, Um,
that's a common thing to say, is my heart has
(19:29):
been torn in two different directions. And um, so leading
up to the proposal day, Um, you know you're in
the moment and you know, I'm you know, I'm shaking.
I just got done with my proposal speech, and that
wasn't that was very much putting me on the spot
to where we weren't able to like sit down and
have a conversation like this, hey, kind of like how
(19:51):
is your we really going? Like what have you really
gone through? Like let's have this conversation. And um, it's
like what I told him at after Donald Rose, my
instincts would have picked up on that you weren't ready,
you know. And so for me, I think that one
of the most painful parts was seeing you know that
last episode and seeing how torn and upset he was
when I'm walking and then and then it flips to
(20:13):
me walking down to you know, getting engaged, and I'm
like so naive and thinking, not even understanding what all
had happened. And I think that's the most hurtful part
is that he wasn't you know, didn't have like enough
like respect for me to sit me down and just
to really like lay it all out there and just
just work through it, you know. Um. But you know,
(20:35):
he got lost in the moment and with his emotions.
If he had pulled you aside then and said, hey, Hannah,
and I just think I should tell you this before
we get engaged Madison left, would that have changed anything? Yeah,
it would have changed a lot because it wouldn't have
just been an answer yes or no. It would have
(20:56):
been like, let's sit down, like let's recap like how
you felt leading up to her leaving, how you know
how you feel now? And he, you know, I think
d down. He knows that there would have been some
difficult you know, questions, and um, you know, for for
whatever reason, he just wasn't ready to let me go.
(21:16):
The crazy thing is he knew that there were going
to be difficult questions before proposed, Like if you were
to tell you that beforehand, it would have been difficult
and you would have like pressured him into talking about
a lot, right. But the weird thing is Peter wasn't
thinking like, oh, if I say this information for later.
It's the question is going to be even more difficult,
and it's gonna be even harder to prove yes exactly,
(21:40):
It's gonna even be harder and stickier. And it's one thing,
I mean, it was always watered down. It was always
like he speaks and half truths, or with us he
spoken half truths, and it was always like the water down,
sugarcoated version that he wanted me to hear because he
knew that I was with him at this point, you know, um.
And so it was really painful having to like watch
(22:02):
it all and like see it for what it actually
was and not from what he was telling me. It's
one of Peter Hannan, just from like my perspective. It's
been years since I've done this, so I mean, I
could be at a day. I don't know how you
guys do it these days, but it is like I
know Peter. We're gonna speak with Peter um about his
(22:23):
experience as well, but it is one of the things
that I will tell him is not like I know him.
He is not a bad man like he is. He
has he's not ill, he has no ill intentions. I
think his biggest mistake is he was trying to protect himself,
his family, that you and the girls, and he was speaking,
(22:43):
like you said, not lies but half truth. He was
leaving a lot out there, uh unknown. You just can't
do that when your life is also being videotaped, like
you can't when everybody else is going to watch it
back and the full truth is going to be brought
It makes you look like you're trying to lie even
(23:04):
though you're not. And that I think was one of
the things that got him and has gotten him in
the most trouble. It's like, hey, if you just start
telling the truth, people will listen because you're you're not
a bad person, you just are not explaining the full story.
Like bad communication. Yes, yes, And I think maybe that's
(23:24):
equality he has. But in this situation of being the Bachelor,
it just it brought it out even more and it
brought it to the surface. And um, you know, I
when we were together, I always tried to, even throughout
the show and afterwards, I always tried to put myself
in his shoes and you know, place him first in
that sense, um, And I think that's what kept us
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going as a couple longer than what we should have
is because I always tried to like show you know
that compassion of you know, your situation was so difficult.
You're coming off the show, you're still working through your emotions,
and I think he was doing that as well. You know,
he could have quite put a finger on, um, why
exactly he was feeling or why his feelings in his
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own words were like out of control, because you know,
just pointing the fingers towards different things, um. And I
never really truly got like that like answer. I had
to like find out watching the show after the final
rose when I found out and massive we're back together,
and I'm like, oh, okay, well we'll we'll go back
to that. But I do want to let you know
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that I think the level of compassion you had for
him was very evident during your breakup scene. He was
like why his tears. Of course that wasn't shown, but
I was like, why tears? It was so sad you guys.
It was so evident how much you were fighting for
that relationship and how you were just like forgiving and
forgiving him. I want to ask you one more question
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about your proposal. You did seem a little bit shocked
that it was you like, I don't know, I don't
remember the last time that I saw somebody in the
Bachelor be like it's me, you're picking me? So you
did you think he was going to break medicine? Honestly, like, okay,
I promise you. It's sweet and cute and sort of
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like relatable, and it makes me feel like you're very
um you're just like not full of yourself. You're like, oh,
like I really didn't. I don't know, like okay, well,
you know, like seeing people getting like engaged on the
Bachelor of the past, I told myself, I was like,
I'm if I get engaged, I'm not going to laugh
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because when he just seems like you're making a joke
out of it. And so in the moment, I was
so nervous. I was just like, my gosh, it's me.
It's me. I was just like I was so silly,
you know, Like my sister watched that. My sister was like,
what the heck? Like that was the weirdest reaction ever.
And I'm like, honestly, when you have all these cameras
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around you and your stress and you're just like you're
finally finished with like the season and you finally hear
from the person you're completely in love with they love you,
like that's something to like be jumping up and down
for so excited. I guess I was surprised, but after
I was with his family, I felt so strongly it
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was going to be us. It's ah, it is true.
Actually you say that. I remember going back and and
watching that all of us kind of going like, especially
how the proposal was set up. We're like, this is shocking,
and it felt I think our last episode that we
like talked about, We're like, that felt almost like oddly
(26:32):
not like a proposal, and we know it was Hannah,
And we're gonna hear why that was such a real proposal. Uh.
We want to hear from you on in your eyes,
in your opinion, what went wrong? Uh? And then also
how are you recovering today here in a little bit.
But before we do, uh, let's take a break. Uh
and we'll come back with Hannah ann uh and on
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the almost Famous In Depth podcast. We're back with Hannah
and Hannah and I want to pause halfway through this
podcast because there's just something that hit me And I
don't know if it's the right question right now or not. UM,
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but we sit here and we're talking. We talk, we talk.
We're talking to you and we're hearing your upbringing, we're
hearing about your family, and we're hearing about your emotions,
and we're hearing how much sympathy and empathy you have
for Peter Um Ashley and I sit there as the host.
Now we've been removed from the show for a while,
but we don't forget how it feels. And I just
like it just hit me as I was listening to
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you and being like, Hannah, and this is your life,
Like what you're speaking to us about right now is
not just a show, not just a show you participated in,
not just an experience that we can share and talk
about with our kids. And forty years like you were engaged,
you were heartbroken, like you went through the ups and
(27:57):
downs of this whole experience. We're not that far removed
from it, Like as you just sit to us, not
and like answering questions about the show. We'll get back
to that in a second, but just like in general
that this is now your life and this is like
how interesting we are and just hearing your story, how
does that feel? Like how are you processing that right now? Yeah?
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You know, I've worked through a lot of like different emotions.
I think now I'm kind of like feeling a little
bit more back on my feet, and I you know,
it's like the other day, I was walking with my friends,
and I was on a walk and I just felt
so much happiness, and I was looking at my friends
and like, you know, we have fresh air. I'm with,
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I'm with you know, my friends, and and I thought, wow,
I haven't cried and weeks, Like that was just strange
to me, Like I had not cried in weeks, and
and it made me sad, not over Peter, but it
you know, I started crying in that moment because I
was thinking about how oken I was and how terrible
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of a position I felt I was in, you know,
being with Peter and just leading up to the breakup.
I mean I would cry for like hours, Like one
time I cried for six hours straight just because of
just the anticipation of crying about what's happened, and crying
about like this is a part of my story, like
this is a part of my life. And just knowing
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that that would always like be a part of me,
like really broke me. And knowing that there would be
like the whole world having to know about it and
have their opinion on it and feel like that they
know that the situation, and then you have the season
going on and you're you're seeing just bits and pieces
of it and you're just like, oh my gosh, like
everyone just you know, we'll kind of feel like they're
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a part of it when they really truly aren't, you know,
only me and Peter truly. Um, And I think it
was also really hard. I didn't realize the impact of
it would have on my family because, um, it made
a should impact, Like my family, my personal life has
been part has been with my family. Now you know
they're able to see it. You know, Peter brought you know,
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my dad into it, asking you know, for my hand
in marriage and it you know, my family was heartbroken
as well, like this is real life and a lot
of people got entertainment out of it, and you know,
I guess, you know, obviously that's what I signed up for,
but it's my heart and my life and what I'm
carrying forward. When you're when Peter, when your dad told
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Peter not to say I love you unless he really
really meant it, And the way that your dad said,
it made me feel like, don't say it unless, like
you know it's her, like you're going to pick her.
And at that moment, Jared was like he better beat her,
like I'm rooting for hand and all the way now
because like this man better keep his word to this father.
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And well he did, he proposed to you, um, but
then he went and kind of wasted that for this
engagement moment, which was something that like a lot I
think the females and the audience were just like I
took that away from her like the first and what
somebody hopes is your only proposal. How does your your
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dad feel about him now? And and how how are
you you feeling better these days about all that? Or yeah,
you know when my dad was talking with Peter like
don't waste a word. Um. You know, the backstory behind
that is my dad was telling Peter about kind of
my upbringing and like you know, the family I was
raised in and how marriage and engagement and words are
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just really are so important and so don't never you know.
And that's kind of where it came in with Fantasy
sweet week, Like I've always had this, you know, this
side of not pressuring anyone to do or say anything. Um,
And that's kind of where my dad was, like, you know,
don't say anything because you're feeling pressured because of the
show or because you're in the moment. If you're going
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to say something, mean it and follow through with it.
And um, you know Peter saying I love you, Peter,
you know, getting engaged to me. Even afterwards, you know,
he had conversations with my parents about you know, making
sure to make me feel loved and chosen in first
place every single day and you know, he gave me
those words of affirmation that kept me hopeful and kept
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me with him. And so it was a huge disappointment
for my parents. I mean they were heartbroken as well.
I think the main thing my dad says is he
was like I tried to protect you. Like I tried,
you know, I did everything that I could. But also,
you know, I put my trust in Peter, who I
really didn't know quite well, but I put my trust
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in him, and you know, this has happened. And I
think my dad was, you know, so heartbroken because he
felt like he didn't maybe necessarily do his part um
and like protecting me. I the one thing I can
really hear on is that season of in between. Um,
you know you and I share some similar stories in
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a way, right, there is there wasn't another person in
my story, but there was a broken engagement, there was
a broken relationship that was publicly displayed. There was family
pain involved. I have now been able to heal. Right.
I want to promise you that if any pains and
brokenness inside of you right now, like it's gonna heal,
You're gonna be very happy one day. Um, you know
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I'm now engaged and uh and just thriving, I guess.
But in the in the heat of it and in
the heart of that season, it's hard, it's confusing. Um,
it's it's heavy, and so there's a lot there to unpack, hannahan,
because there's in my eyes, in my not like just
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thinking back, there's three elements. One is knowing that it's
about to end, like getting the sense that something is
desperately wrong. I remember that. Two is the ending, like
the band they'd been ripped off, knowing that it's over.
And three, at least in this show and this experience,
is the public getting brought into this broke and this
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breakup and their opinions there dislike towards maybe Peter, their
criticism of possibly you, their criticism of Peter's family, uh of,
then the celebration of you, the celebration of Peter, the
celebration of um Peter saying, like, all those elements are
tied up into this and it makes it extremely hard
and difficult and heavy for a season. So if we
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could start at point number one, when did you start
to know that things were falling apart? Falling apart? It
was about two weeks before we broke up. I just
had a sense um that it was just going to
be extremely difficult to work through this, and he was
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giving me. You know, the thing is is the most
important thing I learned is that like when I'm with someone,
I need to allow the them to show me who
they are, not tell me, because you know, with me
mine and Peter's timeline, he was just able to tell
me who he is and not show me because we
didn't have that much time. And then when we were separated,
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you know, he was living in California, I was still
in Tynasee, so he wasn't able to like truly show
me that only through his words, and he's very good
with his words, and my and I love like I'm
a words of affirmation kind of a person, so he
was just able to send me his words to keep
me in this And I think that's probably what like
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did us the most damaged, because I feel like if
we were living close or were able to see each
other more, maybe I would have or we both would
have been able to pick up on two. I think
we both would have been able to pick up on
that we weren't good for one another. But he just,
you know, continue giving me words of affirmation like he
said he would. I did the same. And so when
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we were able to like truly have these serious conversations
about season, it was just so like all over the
place and so confusing, and like he kept giving me
the words of affirmation to keep me there. But at
the same time, I'm like, who do I go to,
Like I need advice, Like I need to talk to
someone who's been in this situation, and I couldn't, Like
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I was on my own. Um, I didn't tell anyone
because I didn't want to bring anyone into this mess
and then also have the contract of ABC, I can't
open up to anyone. I was just like inside just
like begging just for someone that I can go to
and just be like what do I do? And I
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am I do you know? And I always kind of
put it back on me, like am I not being
supportive enough? Am I not being understand um? And it
was just a mess for both of us because he
had some people to reach out to, but he was
lost still. It's it's interesting you're like isolated before isolation
was something we all have to do, Like you were
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completely isolated, yeah, from I couldn't share my emotions I
felt like with anyone because and that's why the season
went unspoiled for the longest time, is because most of
the time it gets like, you know, broke, it gets
broken out through like whoever you know ends up with
the bachelor bachelorette. But I, like, I made that commitment
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not to say anything, so that's pretty cool. Well, I
didn't want everyone to be like, well, you ruined the
season because you you told your friend and your friend
you know, had a fun night at a bar and
told someone like I never wanted that on me, Like
I never wanted more criticism. You know. It's cool and
hard though I was gonna say that that's like the
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weirdest word that came to my head it was cool
for us to watch an unspoiled season, and it was
cool for us. It's for you to you to abide
by your contracts so well. But also but also like
it's it's I feel so sad for you having to
keep that in Um. Were you releast sharing it with
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your family? No? No, because I you know, when I
called them after me and Peter broke up, they were
like what, like they could send something was off about me,
but they were very taken back. When Peter's parents were
taken back, Um, Peter opened up to his parents about
(38:23):
his emotions. I didn't because I knew my parents would
advise me to just just walk away from it completely. Um.
And also I think it was like a lot of pride,
and you know, I made this commitment to him, and
you know, I was excited. I told my grandparents and
told my parents, and I didn't want like in my
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mind it was always going to be like a one
and done, Like I had that concrete in my mind,
like nothing was ever going to change that. You know,
I said, yes, and we are together and we're gonna
make it work. Um. And I took like a lot
of like I was proud of us, and I was
proud of you know, us as a couple, and I
couldn't I wasn't ever gonna let any challenge or bump
(39:09):
in the road take away from that. I thought we
were supposed to be partners and you know, challenge one
another and take on Lap's greatest, you know, our biggest trials. Um.
So I was just kind of seeing this as a
bump in the road, but really, in reality, we just
were not compatible. Your vulnerability, They're like, I appreciate it
because I get it, and I think take away the
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show from this, like a lot of people who feel
that way when it comes to breakups is like they
have pride, They've told their friends, they've told their family,
they are excited, they know it's not for the best. Um.
You know, you add in the public element to this,
and I can relate with you is the embarrassment and
the the fear in the sense that you feel when
you know it's ending. Of Uh, what, like, how am
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I supposed to explain this? Like how especially coming from
you know, I am a believer in Jesus. That's people
at to the podcast do not That's not a surprise
to him. Um. And it's not even that that adds
a burden to it. It's the public perception of the
conservative church, like the one that like, breaking up an
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engagement is such a huge deal, and you and I
both have felt that, and I'm and I'm sorry that
you've had to feel that, because that's it's hard and
it's heavy. It's worked out for the best for me.
I believe it will do the same for you. I
just want to say thank you for sharing that because
I remember that time and it was I mean, Ashley
and I started the podcast like the week afterwards, and
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I know Ashley could remember how heavy that felt on
me during that time. So Ashley, go ahead. Sorry, do
you guys think that you broke up because you were incompatible?
You keep saying you're you're incompatible. How do you think
you're incompatible? And you think it was more that than
it was his mind on someone else. I think we're
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incompatible because we don't see love the same way. We
didn't see any engagement the same way. That's where I
think we're incompatible. Also because I'm not I don't speak
and have truths. He was speaking and have troops and
never truly told me you know, it's like Jason and
are like when they ended, you know, with the person
(41:15):
that they've chosen. You know, they both were like, I'm
going back to this person. They like they gave them
that respect to tell them to their face. I was
never given that. Um, that's why I think we're not
compatible because we just we we communicate our emotions differently. Now,
So watching that back and you comparing it to Ari
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and Jason, I'm thinking he didn't say I'm going to
go after this person, because I don't even think he
was sure if he was going to go back after Maddie.
And now that we see all the Kelly stuff coming out,
was he was he not trying to go after Mattie
and thinking about somebody else thinking about Kelly? Yeah? Yeah,
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you are absolutely right. It's a different in situation and
because it keeps getting up messier. But I kind of
go back to my part with him is done, and um,
whatever he does moving forward is his own business. I'm
sure we'll continue to see headlines made about him. Did
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he ever? Did he ever get? Is that hard? No?
It's not. And I'm being completely honest because I've been
through harder and it's kind of what Ben was saying,
the fear of us ending our engagement was the hardest part.
You know, I've gone through like the terrible like where
you just feel like you've hit rock bottom. Um. And
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so whatever he does now, it doesn't doesn't hurt because
I'm just so thankful I'm not living that with him,
living that confusion all over the place. Don't really know
kind of where your head and heart's at. Like, I'm
just so thankful that my part of it is done. Um,
you know, I'm creating a happy, stable life for myself now.
(43:04):
You know. Do you think did he ever say Madison's
name and your breakup or the week's leading up to
your breakup? Yes? Yeah, And it seemed as if his
intention was to get back with her ala Ari and
Jason not exactly, not exactly. Didn't seem like that. Um.
(43:26):
I know, you know him and Kelly had messaged each
other back and forth, um on Instagram and stuff. I
just always taking I don't know, I don't think he
had like ill intent. Um. I think he was just
very very confused with his emotions, whether that was with
Kelly or Madison, um, wherever that was. I don't think
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he truly even knew where his heart was at. Do
you think that watching the show back made him think
about Kelly again, because truly, at the end of their
relationship on the show, it seemed like they were completely
incompatible and that was not somebody who I thought he'd revisit. Yeah,
(44:12):
ah walking, I mean watching back the season, probably he
was reliving feelings for you know, Kelly and Madison and
who and and and whoever else. His point of view was,
it's always hard to see an X on TV. It's
just it's uncomfortable in the hard So I would try
to be like, Okay, we're in a very different circumstance. Um,
(44:35):
I guess I'll be understanding of that. But also, um,
I kind of had to accept that, like I deserve
to be with someone who is unwavering on how they
feel towards me, or like they know exactly what they want,
they know exactly where their hearts at and nothing's going
to change that. So you say that he was messaging Kelly,
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and then you also made this you dropped a bomb
on us when you said that he also had gone
to Hannah By for some sort of closure. How did
he go about that? If you're willing to tell us, Oh, yeah,
with him and Kelly, I think they were. I know
that he told me that they had communicated through Instagram.
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I don't know where that exactly began. I was just
kind of like, Okay, you know, when I'm with someone,
I trust them, and he's a you know, a good guy.
I don't think I don't know when like more of
their communication started. It probably started after, you know, after
he was single again or once he was single again. Um.
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And then with Hannah Brown, he came to me saying
that he needed closure with her, and I was just like,
oh crap, Like, how am I supposed to feel about this? Um?
You know, I thought, you know, when you're with someone,
any anything that's gone on in the past, has like
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like you had closure. And all I've ever wanted is
to be with someone and they're so happy to be
with me. It makes sense why it never worked out
with anyone else. That's beautiful. I mean, that's what we
all hope, right, And I remember it's why you know,
we didn't watch back my season during that time because
it was gonna be too hard. It was too weird.
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I mean, it's just weird, Like you don't that's not natural.
At any level. There's nothing about that that's healthy. Um
to do, Hannah and Uh, I have we have to
get to parts two and three and then we have
to talk about barb um. But before we do, let's
take one break. We have Hannah and on the almost
famous in Debth podcast. We're gonna take a break and
come back to speak more about her story and where
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she's at today. Hannah and I told you before the
break that there is three ways that I view this
knowing or we've been and one of them is leading
up to the breakup. Two is the breakup, which we've
talked about uh quite off quite a bit on this
(47:07):
podcast so far. I do want to add one point, um,
just maybe one commentary is that, Yeah, as actually mentioned earlier,
the sympathy and empathy that you felt for Peter as
that breakup was happening was beyond I mean, it's it's
unlike anything uh the world really ever feels and sees like.
Typically breakups are are just super ugly because both sides
(47:28):
get defensive and contentious, and you didn't. Um, I just
wanna before I get then the point three is I
just want to know is from my side, and again
this is me giving you commentary on your relationship, which
is just so weird, so wrong. But is any of
that because you know, this was after the show had
started airing. You knew how much criticism Peter was already getting.
(47:51):
You already knew how like chaotic his mind was and
how confused he was, and you were just like thinking, hey,
I love you still, I want it's best for you,
but I know you just gotta go figure some stuff out.
Or what was you Why were you so caring to
him in that moment? I was so I mean, oh, well,
thank you m because I loved him. You know, I
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was in love with him, and all I ever asked
in return was the truth, And um, I went. Wasn't
a sense relieved because you know, we were together, we
were engaged for two months and it was just the
last month was just hell. I mean, it was just
trying to figure out you know, like when you're with
someone you know something's up, something, but you can't quite
(48:36):
put a finger on it. And we're still getting to
know each other because we just got off the show.
We're living apart. Um, his words aren't necessarily aligning up
with the vibe I'm getting, And so when he finally
told me, you know, the truth, that he can't give
me his full heart. I was just had a sense
of relief and just knew in my heart that he
(48:59):
didn't me in it in an unkind way. Um, he
was just very lost and confused. And I felt relieved
in a sense that I can just kind of just
pick up all the broken pieces and you know, slowly
move on. Were you expecting production at that scene? I
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looked like, crap, Oh I didn't. You're beautiful always No, Okay, okay.
If you guys ever watched a bag, you'll see that
I had a pop blood vessels because I had a
pop blove ve'ssel in my eye because I was crying
so much leading up to that. My hair was all greasy,
I had bags underneath my eyes. I looked like I
had the breakup look going on. Um. We knew, um
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that they were going to be filming. Um. But before
we got there, you know, we had a phone call
that I think, like his last text me even was
like that that we got this, that this is gonna
be a difficult conversation, but we got this that were
we were committed to each other. And I don't even
think walk into you know, the house that day. Peter
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maybe even knew we were going to break up. I
think it just kind of surfaced naturally. And when you're
kind of pressured into having a conversation and um, you know,
when he said he couldn't give me his full heart,
that's when it's just like, you know, there's no turning back.
You know, there's you. You don't repair that, especially once
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you're engaged. Like that's a pretty heavy comment to make.
Like I think about my life with Jessica now, and
if I looked at her and said I'm not gonna
be able to give you my full heart like that
would be really confusing for our relationship and in every
way like that would discount what we were committing to
and planning on, which is a life together. So I
can imagine that was heavy and it makes sense that
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things ended during that time, But they did. I mean,
that's the note we take from this is they ended. Uh.
And before I leave it to Ashley to kind of
talk about life now with you, I want to just
get a note on this is the third piece of
what I said was life afterwards that I remember going
around and telling my friends. The hardest part about a
breakup publicly is that everybody picks a team there, their team, you,
(51:09):
their team the other person, or they're just uh, not
supportive at all. And so you hear people back they
think people think it feels good to bad mouth the
person that hurt you, um and this when it doesn't.
You don't want that, and I know you don't want that.
For Peter, how has life been, uh since the breakup
(51:29):
with the rumors that have been swirling? Uh? And then Ashley,
I'll let you, uh to speak about kind of what
how the impact of Peter's family has been on your
life because I know they were close with you. It's
been like so amazing all of the support I've been given,
just you know, the encouragement. It all kind of came
out once because you know, at first I was holding
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in like a very exciting secret that I was engaged,
couldn't even tell my best friend. And then I was
afterwards we broke up, and I was holding in this
horrible secret you know, that I've been engaged and I've
been betrayed. And I had felt like I had the
support of my family and you know, close friends that
knew I was going through difficult time. But I at
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the same time felt very isolated. So then overnight it
turned into I had, you know, dozens and thousands of
people that are on my side, that are cheering me on,
and it was the most incredible feeling. It literally happened overnight.
So it was just I went from feeling isolated and
not being able to tell anyone about what I was
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going through to like everyone knowing and getting so much
support and it like truly and it meant so much
more because I didn't have that before, you know, and
so like every compliment or every encouraging word, like it
means so much more to me. We um, you know,
after after this conversation today, it's very apparent why Barb
would love you so much, and after and after after
(52:57):
seeing the way that you disrespect it loved her son
even through that breakup scene. We get it, like we
get why Barba looves you now, but we also want
to know more about like your lunch date you know
with her, like when they had the families and you
met the family for the first time, like she you
left her on cloud nine. Tell us more about what
(53:21):
we didn't see there. Yeah, so meeting Peter's family like
that was and still is like one of the best
days I think I've ever had, just because I loved
his family so much. I just felt like an instant bond.
So when I walk in, I start okay. When me
and Barba eyes on each other for the first time,
(53:42):
we both started crying. We started crying, and we just
instantly connected. Like we sit down on the couch and
like we have like short like a little like like
a little conversation. And then his parents were like, oh
my gosh, you you guys are just like us, like
and then we do it cheers of her saying like
(54:04):
I hope like you are a part of our family,
something along those lines. And Barbe told me she loved
me before Peter did. That is fantastic. She was like,
I just want to take you home with me to
l a like please come back, please, I just want
to take you home, Come on, Peter. And so but
(54:26):
Barbe still gave, you know, she still you know, gave
me some tough love and you know, asked me some
difficult questions about, you know, my faith and my lifestyle
and how we would fit together and if I love
Peter or not. So we definitely had you know, those
difficult conversations. But you know, I was just myself and
I think our common ground or our common ground was
(54:47):
is that she loves Peter and I loved him, and
we were always going to look out for him. And
I don't know, I think she just really appreciated appreciated
that I just like accepted accepted him for who he
is and was in Um, it was always just going
to try to be like the best partner that I
could be for him. How did you feel about Barbara
(55:07):
after seeing the way she treated Maddie on the Live show? Yeah,
something must have happened, you know. I feel like we're
missing a huge part of that story. Yeah. Yeah, thankfully
I'm not a part of that story, but I know
her well enough to know, you know, she's been nothing
but kind to me. Um, she you know, I said
(55:29):
multiple times I considered her a second mom. But something
must have happened there, and UM, I'm glad I'm out
of it. One of the things we always like to do,
Hannah and UH is kind of in these in depth
episodes with giving you this the time to speak to
anybody out there listening. Um, because I know there's stuff
(55:49):
that you felt. There's anxieties you felt, there's joys that
you felt, there's things you want to celebrate with people,
and there's things that have that you've had a push
and meat the surface. Uh, We're just gonna give you
this time. I don't know, take his long as you
want to. Anybody out there listening going, hey, honey, and
this has been awesome. I feel like I'm finally getting
to know you, or maybe I've always loved you and
this just solidifies that love. Or maybe somebody out there
(56:09):
is going hannay and I don't understand you and I
need to know more. Uh. What would you say to
anybody out there listening who has followed your journey for
the last year, um, and and who just wants to
hear from you. I think you know, in the beginning
of the season, a lot of people got like, you know,
the wrong impression of me. But I'm really grateful for
(56:31):
each person that has been able to like stay open
minded about me and still been you know, and been
able to like see my journey and UM, just take
me for who I am. I mean, this journey or
this experience I don't like to say journey, but this
experience season, Uh, this season of life has just been.
(56:52):
You know, I've experienced like the highs. You know I've
I've enjoyed the highs. But I also know, you know,
I can survive like the lowest points that I feel
like life can get. There's been times where like I
just don't even feel getting up out of bed because
I was just so hurt and broken and scared for
all this to come out. So really, like my word
(57:13):
for anyone is we can all be bonded by one thing,
and that is we all hurt. We all are going
to suffer at some point in our lives, whether it's
through a heartbreak or hardship. But just know that, you know,
if you are never truly alone. Even in my situation,
and I couldn't open up to very many people about it,
but for me, like my foundation was my faith and
(57:35):
what truly brought me through it, and like how I
like how I felt like my heart was so damaged
and just twisted and broken, like I just ultimately just
just gave it to God because I knew that he
was in control and that he would never allow this
to happen if he didn't have like a greater plan,
And that brought like a lot of peace and every day.
(57:55):
I had to choose peace. I had to choose joy.
I had to choose letting it all go, you know,
because I had had anchor, I had sadness. I you know,
I had so many emotions and I just had to
choose every single day not to allow that to get
the best of me and to make me a better person. Well,
Hannah and Uh, I appreciate you should being here today.
(58:18):
It's been awesome talking to you. It's been great to
finally get to know you. You You are really just terrific
interview and not like, hey, you're the terrific interview because
you put on a show. It's just a good interview.
It's fun to talk to you. Um. You remind me
a lot of our interview with Hannah g that we did. Um,
I don't know how long ago, very similar, Ashley. Uh,
(58:39):
it's now your time to do one of your favorite
things on any in depth episode, UM take over. Okay,
are you ready for a little rapid fire? We like
to finish it out fun and it's gonna be a
Bachelor edition of rapid Fire. Okay ready, so you can
just use like two or three words. Have you been
(59:01):
on a date since breaking up with Peter. Yes. Have
you been on multiple dates with the same person since
breaking up with Peter? Yes? Was this person a bachelor person? No? Okay? Um,
is there somebody in Bachelor Nation that you think is
cute and you'll be open to dating? Um? Not right now.
(59:28):
I think everyone's great, but I would have to get
to know them first before society and you have to
stop dating whoever it is that you've been dating before
you could or I'm not dating, I'm not exclusive, I'm
not gonna be exclusive for a long Do you have
to answer that truthfully? Of going off of that, would
you be open to Bachelor in Paradise? Yes, I'd be open.
(59:50):
And who is the bachelor ALAM who has reached out
and been the most supportive bachelor ALAM? Other than Hannah? Okay?
And of Hannah gee oh man, there's there's been a few.
Raven has been really great and Cassie. I've spoken with
Cassie quite a bit. Um. Yeah, they're both two really
(01:00:13):
good ones. I really like both of them. And Hannah
you wait? First off? Great question? Uh? Have you always
been Hannah? And or is it because last season had
so many Hannahs that you became Hannah? And Yeah? Well, uh,
I wanted so, like growing up like in the South,
there's obviously a lot of hannah's um and plussing this out.
(01:00:34):
This like typical for like it to be a double name.
So his name after both my grandmother's. I had Grandma
Hannah and then Grandma Carol Anne, and so I was
the firstborn grandchild and my grandmother's refuting over who was
gonna be named after. So when I was younger, I
was always called Hannah ann Um And then going on
to the show just with Hannah Brown and Hannah Gee,
(01:00:55):
I was like, oh, well let's push it back to Hannah. Yeah, ok,
eprict Well it was a good decision, a really good decision.
Thank you so much for being here today. I just
love getting to know you, and it just reaffirms for
me that like, we can't pretend like we know these
people on TV when we're watching because there's so much
(01:01:16):
that we don't get to see in your storyline, and uh,
it's it was. It's too bad we didn't get to
know you on TV as well as we've gotten to
know today. Thank you guys for me the opportunity to
share more of myself and you know, to listen to
you guys. You guys have been awesome. It's been like
very therapeutic. This is a good therapy for me. I agree. Well,
(01:01:38):
that's what these in the Depth episodes are about. Hey,
if if we don't get to know you well enough
through this show, then you're gonna come on here. Uh,
and Nash and I just want to sit down and
get to know you better. Handing and thanks again, Handy.
I need you to participate in one last thing. Okay. Um,
we end every episode of the Almost Famous Podcast in
the same way, so follow our lead. Okay, you're gonna
be doing the same thing as us. Hey, listeners out there, Uh,
(01:02:02):
you've been great. Uh, we appreciate you. I hope, we
hope you've enjoyed listening to Hannah and on the in
Depth podcast. Once again, to reiterate what Ashley said, Hannah
and was amazing with that, I've been been, I've been Ashley,
I've been hand Later, guys, follow the Benn and Ashley
I Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio or subscribe wherever
(01:02:23):
you listen to podcasts, and make sure you watch the
upcoming show. Listen to your Heart, which airs Monday, a
a b C. At eight seventh Central Ashley, Will you
be watching. We'll be watching, and you guys don't want
fomo because we'll be watching. We'll be getting really invested
in these couples and their performances. And if you're not watching,
(01:02:43):
then you're not going to know what we're talking about
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