June 27, 2024 • 26 mins
Susie Evans is ready to go beyond the mansion and hear the REAL story of “The Bachelor” through the eyes of musical guest Kate Voegele!
Kate tells all about performing on a date during Jason Mesnick’s season, and reveals that Jason sent the girl home on the NEXT episode after her performance!
Susie and Kate bond over the transition from working behind the camera to being on-stage and in the spotlight, and we get a sneak peek at her new music!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is all Most Famous Beyond the Bachelor with Susie Evans.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hi, and welcome back to be on the Bachelor. This
is your host, Susie Evans. Today we are going to
be chatting with Kate Vogel, who performed on Jason Mesnick's
season of The Bachelor back in two thousand and nine.
Her band Your Future Ghost just released a new single,
the Only One in May, so we're going to be
chatting about her time on the show and life and
career since Kate.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome to the show. Thank you for being here. Thank you, Susie,
thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Absolutely Okay, first things first, we'll help right in. What
was it like performing your song? I won't disagree on
Jason's season of The Bachelor.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It was so cool. Honestly, it's so fun to talk
about this because, like you said, it's a throwback. It's
been a minute, but it was incredibly cool. I mean,
every single one of my friends watched the show. I
grew up you know, watching the show. So it was
a really cool opportunity. First of all, just to be
able to play in my music, like uh, just interesting
(01:03):
venue for a show and so different from sort of
the other stuff I was doing on tour. But also
it was just really fun to be a part of
sort of a surprise date night for you know, the
couple and everything. And they were super sweet, Jason and
Natalie was the girl, were incredibly sweet and so it
(01:24):
was really fun. And it was in Vegas too, so
it was like it's always fun to have an excuse
to go do Vegas, you know, like it was great.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Okay, so did you get to meet them after you
performed or did you get to meet them before?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
How did that work? It was after so it was
I think I was like a surprise for uh, Natalie
that Jason had arranged like this, you know, private concert
for her, and you know, the curtains opened and then
me and my band played our song and then I
(01:58):
got to chat with them afterwards. So it was cool.
It was fun to be like a little surprise guest.
That was I don't know if I've ever done, like
been a surprise for anyone before as a musician, So
that's pretty cool. That's really cool. I do love that
about The Bachelor.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
They really go above and beyond to make things dramatic
and super exciting for whoever's on the day, even the lead,
whoever the lead is. It's like, it's not very a
very normal thing to get a private concert at any
point in life.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So it's pretty cool. Yeah, it is. It's really impressive
the stuff that they come up with, you know, it's
it's super super creative, so that it was really fun
to be a part of that. And to be honest,
it was really cool to be on an unscripted set
because at the time I was playing my music and
acting on a scripted show called Wantree Hill on the
(02:47):
CW and I it was like mind blowing to me
that the cameras are rolling but there's no script and
you know, like I remember asking one of the producers
who was helping us out taking us to our green room,
you know, telling us where to go. And my first
question was, like I like came in hot with that
was like, so is any of this real or is
(03:09):
this just like totally fake? Like do these people actually
like each other? And he did not think it was funny,
to be completely honest, Yeah, he was probably just stressed,
you know what I mean. He was just like this
girl like come on, But but yeah, I was just
fascinated by the idea and so obviously you know all
(03:29):
about this, so I really should be asking you, like,
what is I know I have friends who work in
editing and reality TV, which is an art form in
and of itself, But what was that like being in
a situation where it's all fluid and the cameras are
rolling and you never know what's going to happen next.
So that's a great question.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I think it's fun to hear other people that have
come in for a glimpse of n I always like
to ask people similar to what you're saying, like did
you think it was real? Do you think it's real now?
Because that's the number one question people ask me. What
is it scripted? Or do they make you say certain things?
And like, technically no one can make you say anything,
so a lot of it is obviously unstool. All of
(04:10):
it's unscripted, but there's certainly like it's produced, you know,
like the producers, Yeah, like putting you in scenarios and
giving you the opportunity to say something or don't say something.
But at the end of the day, like it's yeah,
free will. But it is, like it's pretty interesting because
I think for someone like me, I would get really
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self conscious of the cameras.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I don't know if you. I mean, you obviously.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Act and perform on stage, and I used to do
performance growing up, but I always had really bad stage right,
and I felt similarly being on the show. I would
be like talking to the guy and all of a
sudden you see like a cameraman coming in closer, and
you're like, this is so weird, Like you just can't
help but get in your head. So it's it was
(04:58):
kind of weird for me. But and it sounds like
you probably have a lot of experience, but unscripted is
a new it's like new territory for almost anybody.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, absolutely, that makes total sense. I feel like it
would be almost more weird when you don't have a
script to stick to, because for me, yeah, that was
something that you have to kind of get over getting
up on stage, being in front of cameras on TV sets.
But it's like these are the lines, and this is
the performance, and your job is to really embody this
(05:31):
character and you know, just try to tell the truth,
try to tell a great story with you know, the
really great script that the writers have given you. But yeah,
that is like all bets are off when you know
it's like you can say anything, and I do, for
the record, believe that most of it is very authentic. Otherwise,
I mean reality TV is like a huge, you know genre,
(05:53):
people love it. I think people can feel when things
are inauthentic, So I don't think it would be anywhere
near as big. You know, it's still what is it like,
season twenty eight or something now eight twenty nine? Unreal? Yeah,
that actually makes me think.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I wonder what they'll do for the thirtieth anniversary because
that's only a years away.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Probably big fun. Your future ghost is ready to be
the surprise guest. Just putting that out there. I love
that in service if anybody wants a new indie band
to be the surprise guest. We're We're, We're, We're there.
And where are you guys located? I'm in La. My
bandmate is in Austin, so we've made this upcoming album
(06:31):
in kind of both cities. But yeah, so it's kind
of fun to have, you know, those two different places
as inspiration. But yeah, for me, it's it's mostly La.
That's so cool. Did you have any when you were
on the show.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Did it inspire anything in your music or your your songwriting?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
On the TV show on The Bachelor, on One Tree Hill,
all the about.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
All the above, I was thinking The Bachelor, but honestly,
I feel like One Tree Hill's so iconic that I'm like,
there has to be some kind of ins But from
that as well, well.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Oh definitely, yeah. I mean being on The Bachelor was
inspiring because I think that it was as a songwriter,
it was really cool to just witness the behind the
scenes of that type of show where there's this date,
you don't know what's going to happen, but there are
these cameras, but these are, at the end of the day,
(07:21):
just two people who are trying to see if they
vibe yeah, And I think there was something kind of
really charming about that and just being like, at the
end of the day, that's really what's going on. And
that's why I think people love the show so much
and all the spinoffs, because it is, at the end
(07:41):
of the day, just people trying to Everybody can relate
to that being on a first day, third date and
trying to navigate the awkwardness. And so as a songwriter,
it was definitely inspiring, you know, because I think that
when you write songs, you're sort of just trying to
convey the experience of being a human and how weird
it is, you know, So that was super inspiring and
(08:02):
say with onetreal inspiration for years, you know, I mean
tea for years. So definitely. I think when you when
you're a creative, you look for inspiration in whatever situation
you're in, which is what I know I was trying
to do that.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, speaking of you know, tea and behind the scenes,
is there anything from being on The Bachelor that shocked
you that was like a behind the scenes experience or
kind of like tea that you could spill where you're like, oh, like,
I don't think the every everyday viewer would see this
or know this about filming.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, I'm not sure about like anything that happened while
I was on set. But immediately following that episode, sadly,
Jason dumped the girl who he surprised with my concert,
and so there was this part to me that felt
slightly responsible. I was like, shoot, should I have played
a different song, something more romantic? Like obviously I'm joking,
(09:07):
but that was kind of funny in you know the
sense that my band and I loved to joke, like, man, dude,
maybe we should have, like, you know, covered a Marvin
Gaye song and I like something a little bit more.
And then hilariously enough, I posted about this like I
posted a throwback like several years later on Instagram, like
throwback to when I was on the Bachelor. Too bad.
(09:30):
The guy actually dumped the girl he surprised with my
performance after this, and she responded, she like, I didn't
tag her if they didn't know even you know, what
her social media was or whatever. Yeah, no, that was
around when when this came out. It was like, you know,
such an old school thing, but it was really cute,
she responded, and she was like, yeah, that was a
(09:51):
bizarre time, but I loved having a private show for me,
so it was really sweet. And then I later found
out she won a season of I think it was
Bachelor Pad. Oh my gosh, so like redemption for Natalie. Yeah,
we love to see totally. Yeah, so uh, not necessarily tea,
but just kind of a funny, you know, a funny
(10:11):
thing that it is. It's ruthless man like you just
don't I thought, Oh man, he surprised her with this concert.
He must really like her, and he was like, sorry,
not feeling it, not getting Rose.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, oh that's crazy, But I like that's a good
behind the scenes mom.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I think that's pretty cute. Yeah, it was cute.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
How did performing on The Bachelor compared to your time
on One Tree Hill? Obviously cameras and obviously it's unscripted,
but did you feel like you were completely prepared going
into it? She's like, oh, I've been on set a
thousand times or was it just completely different?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
It was really different in one very major way. That
was really cool. So on One Tree Hill, just by definition,
because of the way the sound works and the way
the mixing works, you don't perform most of the music
live on the show. So I performed I think eleven
of my songs over four seasons of being on One
(11:06):
Tree Hill, so tons of different scenes where I'm on
stage with the band, and most of them, unless it
was just me alone at a piano or me alone
with a guitar, almost all of them, you are performing
that song the same way you would if you were
filming a music video. So the track is playing, you know,
in the background, and you are singing along to it,
(11:28):
but essentially the audio from your voice is not what's
going to be in the final mix. Of the show, right,
So it has something to do with just the way
that they're editing it. This sound. It would be an
absolute nightmare to try to recreate a full band sound
on a TV set because it's just not you know,
creative for that. However, with The Bachelor, this was a
(11:50):
real stage with a real back line sound system and
we were playing live like you would on the Tonight
Show or the Today Show or whatever. And that was
really cool, also kind of terrifying, because that's you know,
it's the real thing, and I kind of loved that.
It was sort of a cool poetic moment to be like, yeah,
(12:11):
this is reality TV, so we should be playing this
for real. It should be you know, a one take
and that's all that's the only chance you get. And
I love that. I mean, I think both things. It
makes total sense why for most scripted TV you can't
necessarily perform a full band song live every time. But
it's really fun to do that because I do think
(12:33):
that as a live music lover and fan myself, you know,
as a musician, it's really fun to get a chance
to sort of give a raw, one time performance, you know,
especially for something like that. That's so cool.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I'm really curious when you auditioned for One Tree Hill.
Did you go into it knowing it was a musical role.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Did you have.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
To perform acting in singing to get that role on
One Tree Hill.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
It's a great question. Yes, it was supposed to be
for one episode. So I had already signed a record deal.
I was out on the road in my parents' band
that they graciously lent to me to Hoe play all
my first shows with my band, and so I was
doing the like grassroots indie musician thing and I was
coming through LA and my manager at the time was like,
(13:22):
there's this show, One Tree Hill. They feature a lot
of music, and there's this just this one episode thing
for this character. But if you get it, you would
be playing your song, you know. And I was like, cool,
Like let's go. So I going to get this, Yeah,
I was like, I'm you know, but so I just
went to the audition and wasn't, you know, expecting to
(13:42):
even get a callback. And then I got the part,
and yeah, and at the audition, I had to sing
a song and then I had to do a scene.
And you know, I had done like a couple of
theater things in high school for fun, but I never
moved to La Anticipated. Oh I'm going to be an actress,
you know, I wanted to sign a record deal. That
(14:03):
was my dream. So yeah, so I get the part
and then I end up being on the show for
four seasons and playing eleven of my original songs. My
character had a different name, her name was Mia, but
all the songs were Kate Vogel songs. So it was
this really incredible, unexpected opportunity that you know, really challenged
(14:24):
me a lot creatively because I had to learn the
you know, the technical aspects of the craft of acting.
But it was really fun because it's ultimately, you know,
like I mentioned before, it's storytelling and that's what songwriting is.
That's what getting up on stages and so it was,
uh and that's where I met my bandmate for Your
Future Ghost. So my my bandmate, Mike Grubbs, came into
(14:48):
the show in season seven and we became fast friends
and then years later ended up deciding to collaborate and
write music together. So it was a really unique, like
very cool opportunity that I Yeah, it's it's it's crazy
looking back, how you know, how it all came together.
That's really cool.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Do you believe in the.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Phrase like fake it till you make it?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Do you feel like that's what you had to do
with the acting portion of being on one Tree Hill
and you just had to go in and be like,
this is such a huge opportunity.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I'm not gonna let anybody know.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
That I actually don't have like trained acting skills.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Did you just fake it till you make it?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Or were you really proactive about the acting side of things,
like were you getting lessons?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
How did that work? That's a great question. I think
in general, yes, I think that you have to act
as if in certain situations and you have to pull
from just this idea that you ultimately wouldn't have gotten
this job or this part or whatever it is if
you didn't have the capability to do it. I think
(15:54):
that that's an important part of learning how to do something,
is believing that you can do it in the first place.
But I'm also I'm from Ohio. Originally I'm very like
self deprecating, and so I was not shy about saying, hey, guys,
this is new for me. If I get in your light,
(16:15):
you know, in a scene, please tell me. And I
was really lucky to have co stars who were extremely
supportive and helpful, so, you know, everything from Hillary Burton
helping me, you know, when maybe something in a scene
when I wasn't sure how to you know, kind of
choreograph walking to this side of the set to the
(16:38):
next to Sophia Bush, you know, stopping a fan from
stealing my purse when we were all out, you know.
And it was a very welcoming experience with the women
from the show, which was something that I feel like
looking back, I mean, I'm so grateful for it. But
it was also a time in you know, the media
(16:59):
and pop call sure when I feel like women were
being pitted against each other a lot. You know. It
was like my first episode on One Tree Hill was
with Kevin Fetterline. He was like playing the lead singer
in MIA's band. And this was right when like the
media was being horrible to Brittany and everybody was you know,
up in arms about that. So it was really a
(17:21):
special thing to have that camaraderie and to have that support.
So I was proactive about saying, this is a job,
this is a craft. I need to you know, really
like I need to know what I'm doing. I need
to be a pro I need to show up and
know my lines and understand how this works. But also
I had a lot of support and I am very
(17:43):
grateful for that. That's so cool.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
And I do think looking back at that time frame
and when that show was like just poppin', it's like
it really was a time in the media where women
were pitted against each other. So that's actually really cool
that you felt that kind of like sisterhood or friendship
with those women. Yeah, and I think people respect humility,
(18:10):
you know. I feel like the fact that you were
coming in there and being like, Okay, I have to
pretend like I know everything and that I'm totally comfortable
with this, because I think people sometimes feel that way
and it's maybe it's too much pressure on yourself or
it can make you seem like you're not open to
direction and stuff like that. So you probably approached it
with the perfect the perfect way where you're like, hey,
(18:31):
I'm doing my best, putting my best foot forward, but
open to communication and just.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Like being a better cast mate. So that's pretty cool. Yeah,
that I totally agree. I think it's important to be
honest about where you're at creatively because everybody's been there,
right everybody had their first job, everybody had their first
show where they were terrified up there. You know, most
people I think who perform or do anything in front
(18:58):
of the camera for a living have some degree of
stage right. So it's you know, like a lot of
us are like weird introverted artists. Like getting up in
front of people and entertaining everyone is not like I
never set out to be the center of attention, but
that ends up being, you know, part of the job.
And I think, yeah, I think that a mixture of
sort of saying, hey, I'm taking this seriously and I'm
(19:20):
working really hard and I so appreciate your help, but
also I might need help and I'm not you know,
one hundred percent. I don't know one hundred percent what
I'm doing yet. Is that goes a long way, I think.
I mean, I do you feel like there was any
degree of that on The Bachelor? I mean it's a
different type of performance, but it's a type of that's
a skill to be able to entertain an audience and
(19:43):
be yourself in front of a camera on an unscripted show. Like,
did that take some getting used to it?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I had a really hard time, Uh, I struggled with it.
I was very uncomfortable, just like I wasn't. I'm not
uncomfortable to let my guard down around people or in dating.
Like I think I'm such an open book online. I'm
just totally comfortable people ask me questions about my personal life.
For the most part, I'm pretty comfortable to share my
feelings or thoughts like perspective. But something about having to
(20:15):
like act natural with cameras on me, it just never
felt natural. I don't think I ever got used to it.
The only time I think maybe I did get used
to it was after I was completely off the season
and I was with the guy from the show, and
we came back for like a segment on a future
show that actually never even aired, and it was the
(20:36):
only time that I truly forgot that the cameras were there.
And I don't know if it's because it was no
longer about me, Like we were there to talk to,
you know, other people that are being featured on the show,
so we were kind of just like secondary characters, I
guess you would say. And that was the only time
I actually felt comfortable. And maybe it's because there wasn't
(20:57):
pressure or like pressure to to feel anything or to
say the right thing, like you were just I was
just there, And maybe that's maybe that's a good indicator
of how it felt being on the show, because I
think there is a pressure to like you, you want
to fall in love and you want this to work
it out, and even though any one's specifically pressuring you,
you kind of feel pressure yourself. So I don't think
(21:18):
I really got used to it when I was a
contestant on the show. It just always felt a little
bit unnatural to me.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
But that's charming to hear though, like as a you
know what I mean, Like, I think that that probably
is something that vulnerability is something that an audience can
relate to. So even though for you it's like you
wish it was a little bit more comfortable, to me,
I'm like, that's so charming because I think everybody, yeah,
and I think everybody feels that way because it's it's
awkward enough trying to find love without cameras in your face.
(21:46):
So I think that's part of it's weird. That's kind
of part of the appeal, is that you know, people
are just they're just being themselves and they're trying to
not think about the camera right. It's an interesting like
dichotomy there. It is so cool. It is interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Okay, before I let you go, I wanted to ask
you about your new single. It's called The Only One,
Is that right? And it just came out in May.
Can you tell us about the songwriting process and what
you're excited for people to hear when they listen to it.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah. Absolutely, I'm so excited about this song. So this
is one of our like this is the love song,
so it's kind of perfect for this conversation about the
bachelor and finding love. Like the Only One is really
about just that feeling when you find somebody and you
just get this magical sort of spark and you know,
(22:50):
the chorus lines are I want to sleep in your
T shirt, I want to sing through your speakers, And
it's like just that sweet feeling of like finding somebody
who just like opens up these different sort of galaxies
for you. And it was really fun to write because
you know, we have a lot of music that's just
(23:12):
really fun, Like our record is this these big guitars,
this indie synth pop. It's kind of like a lot
of the theme is sort of about like finding the
fun and the party and like a refuge in the
chaos of like a world that feels very post apocalyptics sometimes,
and we really wanted to just make an album that
you could like jump up and down on your bed
(23:34):
and sing with your friends, you know, And this song
it's still that, but it's like this is the really
kind of you know, bringing a little bit of our
emo pasted into it. This like, you know, emotional love
song just about the magic of finding that person who
you know, whether it's a first date and you're just
like majorly crushing on this person, or whether it's you know,
(23:57):
someone you've been with. I've been married to my husband
for almost twelve years, you know, and so it's like
that feeling kind of is something everybody can relate to,
whether it's all across the board. So it's one of
my favorite songs. It's very like galactic, like the sounds
and stuff are really sort of floaty, and it's very
(24:20):
singable and fun. So I'm really excited for people to
hear it. It's been really cool to hear their sponts
so far. That's so cool.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I love the way you described even the sounds in it.
I'm really I'm really happy for you guys, it sounds awesome.
Where can everyone find you and where can they listen
to your music?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah? Absolutely, so they can find me on any social
media platform. I'm at Kate Vogel and your Future Ghost
is on every platform as well. We're on Spotify, We're
on Apple Music, We're on anywhere you can think of.
And I would love to hear people's feedback on the
songs and would love to just see everybody at the
(24:59):
shows when we start touring. We're we're hoping to sort
of get all of that stuff worked out soon, but
we're dropping our debut album this summer, so I have
a lot we have a lot of new music coming
soon that I cannot wait for everybody to hear. So
definitely hop over and say hi on Instagram, TikTok, anywhere.
I would love to. I love I love hearing like
(25:19):
sharing our music with new fans and stuff too. So
it's if you saw me on The Bachelor way back
in two thousand and nine, hopefully you'll be excited about
this this new stuff. It's it's I'm really proud of it,
like just beyond excited about it. It's so cool.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I'm gonna have to come watch when you guys go
on tour. I'm in La too, but you guys have
a show there or somewhere close by.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
So yeah, definitely, when we have a show in La,
I'll yeah, I'll absolutely be sure to let you know
when we're coming through. It's going to be a lot
of fun. I love that.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Well, thank you so much for joining us on Beyond
the Bachelor, and thank you guys for listening.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
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This is all Most Famous Beyond the Bachelor with Susie Evans.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hi, and welcome back to be on the Bachelor. This
is your host, Susie Evans. Today we are going to
be chatting with Kate Vogel, who performed on Jason Mesnick's
season of The Bachelor back in two thousand and nine.
Her band Your Future Ghost just released a new single,
the Only One in May, so we're going to be
chatting about her time on the show and life and
career since Kate.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome to the show. Thank you for being here. Thank you, Susie,
thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Absolutely Okay, first things first, we'll help right in. What
was it like performing your song? I won't disagree on
Jason's season of The Bachelor.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It was so cool. Honestly, it's so fun to talk
about this because, like you said, it's a throwback. It's
been a minute, but it was incredibly cool. I mean,
every single one of my friends watched the show. I
grew up you know, watching the show. So it was
a really cool opportunity. First of all, just to be
able to play in my music, like uh, just interesting
(01:03):
venue for a show and so different from sort of
the other stuff I was doing on tour. But also
it was just really fun to be a part of
sort of a surprise date night for you know, the
couple and everything. And they were super sweet, Jason and
Natalie was the girl, were incredibly sweet and so it
(01:24):
was really fun. And it was in Vegas too, so
it was like it's always fun to have an excuse
to go do Vegas, you know, like it was great.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Okay, so did you get to meet them after you
performed or did you get to meet them before?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
How did that work? It was after so it was
I think I was like a surprise for uh, Natalie
that Jason had arranged like this, you know, private concert
for her, and you know, the curtains opened and then
me and my band played our song and then I
(01:58):
got to chat with them afterwards. So it was cool.
It was fun to be like a little surprise guest.
That was I don't know if I've ever done, like
been a surprise for anyone before as a musician, So
that's pretty cool. That's really cool. I do love that
about The Bachelor.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
They really go above and beyond to make things dramatic
and super exciting for whoever's on the day, even the lead,
whoever the lead is. It's like, it's not very a
very normal thing to get a private concert at any
point in life.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So it's pretty cool. Yeah, it is. It's really impressive
the stuff that they come up with, you know, it's
it's super super creative, so that it was really fun
to be a part of that. And to be honest,
it was really cool to be on an unscripted set
because at the time I was playing my music and
acting on a scripted show called Wantree Hill on the
(02:47):
CW and I it was like mind blowing to me
that the cameras are rolling but there's no script and
you know, like I remember asking one of the producers
who was helping us out taking us to our green room,
you know, telling us where to go. And my first
question was, like I like came in hot with that
was like, so is any of this real or is
(03:09):
this just like totally fake? Like do these people actually
like each other? And he did not think it was funny,
to be completely honest, Yeah, he was probably just stressed,
you know what I mean. He was just like this
girl like come on, But but yeah, I was just
fascinated by the idea and so obviously you know all
(03:29):
about this, so I really should be asking you, like,
what is I know I have friends who work in
editing and reality TV, which is an art form in
and of itself, But what was that like being in
a situation where it's all fluid and the cameras are
rolling and you never know what's going to happen next.
So that's a great question.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I think it's fun to hear other people that have
come in for a glimpse of n I always like
to ask people similar to what you're saying, like did
you think it was real? Do you think it's real now?
Because that's the number one question people ask me. What
is it scripted? Or do they make you say certain things?
And like, technically no one can make you say anything,
so a lot of it is obviously unstool. All of
(04:10):
it's unscripted, but there's certainly like it's produced, you know,
like the producers, Yeah, like putting you in scenarios and
giving you the opportunity to say something or don't say something.
But at the end of the day, like it's yeah,
free will. But it is, like it's pretty interesting because
I think for someone like me, I would get really
(04:33):
self conscious of the cameras.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I don't know if you. I mean, you obviously.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Act and perform on stage, and I used to do
performance growing up, but I always had really bad stage right,
and I felt similarly being on the show. I would
be like talking to the guy and all of a
sudden you see like a cameraman coming in closer, and
you're like, this is so weird, Like you just can't
help but get in your head. So it's it was
(04:58):
kind of weird for me. But and it sounds like
you probably have a lot of experience, but unscripted is
a new it's like new territory for almost anybody.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, absolutely, that makes total sense. I feel like it
would be almost more weird when you don't have a
script to stick to, because for me, yeah, that was
something that you have to kind of get over getting
up on stage, being in front of cameras on TV sets.
But it's like these are the lines, and this is
the performance, and your job is to really embody this
(05:31):
character and you know, just try to tell the truth,
try to tell a great story with you know, the
really great script that the writers have given you. But yeah,
that is like all bets are off when you know
it's like you can say anything, and I do, for
the record, believe that most of it is very authentic. Otherwise,
I mean reality TV is like a huge, you know genre,
(05:53):
people love it. I think people can feel when things
are inauthentic, So I don't think it would be anywhere
near as big. You know, it's still what is it like,
season twenty eight or something now eight twenty nine? Unreal? Yeah,
that actually makes me think.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I wonder what they'll do for the thirtieth anniversary because
that's only a years away.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Probably big fun. Your future ghost is ready to be
the surprise guest. Just putting that out there. I love
that in service if anybody wants a new indie band
to be the surprise guest. We're We're, We're, We're there.
And where are you guys located? I'm in La. My
bandmate is in Austin, so we've made this upcoming album
(06:31):
in kind of both cities. But yeah, so it's kind
of fun to have, you know, those two different places
as inspiration. But yeah, for me, it's it's mostly La.
That's so cool. Did you have any when you were
on the show.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Did it inspire anything in your music or your your songwriting?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
On the TV show on The Bachelor, on One Tree Hill,
all the about.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
All the above, I was thinking The Bachelor, but honestly,
I feel like One Tree Hill's so iconic that I'm like,
there has to be some kind of ins But from
that as well, well.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Oh definitely, yeah. I mean being on The Bachelor was
inspiring because I think that it was as a songwriter,
it was really cool to just witness the behind the
scenes of that type of show where there's this date,
you don't know what's going to happen, but there are
these cameras, but these are, at the end of the day,
(07:21):
just two people who are trying to see if they
vibe yeah, And I think there was something kind of
really charming about that and just being like, at the
end of the day, that's really what's going on. And
that's why I think people love the show so much
and all the spinoffs, because it is, at the end
(07:41):
of the day, just people trying to Everybody can relate
to that being on a first day, third date and
trying to navigate the awkwardness. And so as a songwriter,
it was definitely inspiring, you know, because I think that
when you write songs, you're sort of just trying to
convey the experience of being a human and how weird
it is, you know, So that was super inspiring and
(08:02):
say with onetreal inspiration for years, you know, I mean
tea for years. So definitely. I think when you when
you're a creative, you look for inspiration in whatever situation
you're in, which is what I know I was trying
to do that.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, speaking of you know, tea and behind the scenes,
is there anything from being on The Bachelor that shocked
you that was like a behind the scenes experience or
kind of like tea that you could spill where you're like, oh, like,
I don't think the every everyday viewer would see this
or know this about filming.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, I'm not sure about like anything that happened while
I was on set. But immediately following that episode, sadly,
Jason dumped the girl who he surprised with my concert,
and so there was this part to me that felt
slightly responsible. I was like, shoot, should I have played
a different song, something more romantic? Like obviously I'm joking,
(09:07):
but that was kind of funny in you know the
sense that my band and I loved to joke, like, man, dude,
maybe we should have, like, you know, covered a Marvin
Gaye song and I like something a little bit more.
And then hilariously enough, I posted about this like I
posted a throwback like several years later on Instagram, like
throwback to when I was on the Bachelor. Too bad.
(09:30):
The guy actually dumped the girl he surprised with my
performance after this, and she responded, she like, I didn't
tag her if they didn't know even you know, what
her social media was or whatever. Yeah, no, that was
around when when this came out. It was like, you know,
such an old school thing, but it was really cute,
she responded, and she was like, yeah, that was a
(09:51):
bizarre time, but I loved having a private show for me,
so it was really sweet. And then I later found
out she won a season of I think it was
Bachelor Pad. Oh my gosh, so like redemption for Natalie. Yeah,
we love to see totally. Yeah, so uh, not necessarily tea,
but just kind of a funny, you know, a funny
(10:11):
thing that it is. It's ruthless man like you just
don't I thought, Oh man, he surprised her with this concert.
He must really like her, and he was like, sorry,
not feeling it, not getting Rose.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, oh that's crazy, But I like that's a good
behind the scenes mom.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I think that's pretty cute. Yeah, it was cute.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
How did performing on The Bachelor compared to your time
on One Tree Hill? Obviously cameras and obviously it's unscripted,
but did you feel like you were completely prepared going
into it? She's like, oh, I've been on set a
thousand times or was it just completely different?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
It was really different in one very major way. That
was really cool. So on One Tree Hill, just by definition,
because of the way the sound works and the way
the mixing works, you don't perform most of the music
live on the show. So I performed I think eleven
of my songs over four seasons of being on One
(11:06):
Tree Hill, so tons of different scenes where I'm on
stage with the band, and most of them, unless it
was just me alone at a piano or me alone
with a guitar, almost all of them, you are performing
that song the same way you would if you were
filming a music video. So the track is playing, you know,
in the background, and you are singing along to it,
(11:28):
but essentially the audio from your voice is not what's
going to be in the final mix. Of the show, right,
So it has something to do with just the way
that they're editing it. This sound. It would be an
absolute nightmare to try to recreate a full band sound
on a TV set because it's just not you know,
creative for that. However, with The Bachelor, this was a
(11:50):
real stage with a real back line sound system and
we were playing live like you would on the Tonight
Show or the Today Show or whatever. And that was
really cool, also kind of terrifying, because that's you know,
it's the real thing, and I kind of loved that.
It was sort of a cool poetic moment to be like, yeah,
(12:11):
this is reality TV, so we should be playing this
for real. It should be you know, a one take
and that's all that's the only chance you get. And
I love that. I mean, I think both things. It
makes total sense why for most scripted TV you can't
necessarily perform a full band song live every time. But
it's really fun to do that because I do think
(12:33):
that as a live music lover and fan myself, you know,
as a musician, it's really fun to get a chance
to sort of give a raw, one time performance, you know,
especially for something like that. That's so cool.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I'm really curious when you auditioned for One Tree Hill.
Did you go into it knowing it was a musical role.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Did you have.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
To perform acting in singing to get that role on
One Tree Hill.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
It's a great question. Yes, it was supposed to be
for one episode. So I had already signed a record deal.
I was out on the road in my parents' band
that they graciously lent to me to Hoe play all
my first shows with my band, and so I was
doing the like grassroots indie musician thing and I was
coming through LA and my manager at the time was like,
(13:22):
there's this show, One Tree Hill. They feature a lot
of music, and there's this just this one episode thing
for this character. But if you get it, you would
be playing your song, you know. And I was like, cool,
Like let's go. So I going to get this, Yeah,
I was like, I'm you know, but so I just
went to the audition and wasn't, you know, expecting to
(13:42):
even get a callback. And then I got the part,
and yeah, and at the audition, I had to sing
a song and then I had to do a scene.
And you know, I had done like a couple of
theater things in high school for fun, but I never
moved to La Anticipated. Oh I'm going to be an actress,
you know, I wanted to sign a record deal. That
(14:03):
was my dream. So yeah, so I get the part
and then I end up being on the show for
four seasons and playing eleven of my original songs. My
character had a different name, her name was Mia, but
all the songs were Kate Vogel songs. So it was
this really incredible, unexpected opportunity that you know, really challenged
(14:24):
me a lot creatively because I had to learn the
you know, the technical aspects of the craft of acting.
But it was really fun because it's ultimately, you know,
like I mentioned before, it's storytelling and that's what songwriting is.
That's what getting up on stages and so it was,
uh and that's where I met my bandmate for Your
Future Ghost. So my my bandmate, Mike Grubbs, came into
(14:48):
the show in season seven and we became fast friends
and then years later ended up deciding to collaborate and
write music together. So it was a really unique, like
very cool opportunity that I Yeah, it's it's it's crazy
looking back, how you know, how it all came together.
That's really cool.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Do you believe in the.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Phrase like fake it till you make it?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Do you feel like that's what you had to do
with the acting portion of being on one Tree Hill
and you just had to go in and be like,
this is such a huge opportunity.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I'm not gonna let anybody know.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
That I actually don't have like trained acting skills.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Did you just fake it till you make it?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Or were you really proactive about the acting side of things,
like were you getting lessons?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
How did that work? That's a great question. I think
in general, yes, I think that you have to act
as if in certain situations and you have to pull
from just this idea that you ultimately wouldn't have gotten
this job or this part or whatever it is if
you didn't have the capability to do it. I think
(15:54):
that that's an important part of learning how to do something,
is believing that you can do it in the first place.
But I'm also I'm from Ohio. Originally I'm very like
self deprecating, and so I was not shy about saying, hey, guys,
this is new for me. If I get in your light,
(16:15):
you know, in a scene, please tell me. And I
was really lucky to have co stars who were extremely
supportive and helpful, so, you know, everything from Hillary Burton
helping me, you know, when maybe something in a scene
when I wasn't sure how to you know, kind of
choreograph walking to this side of the set to the
(16:38):
next to Sophia Bush, you know, stopping a fan from
stealing my purse when we were all out, you know.
And it was a very welcoming experience with the women
from the show, which was something that I feel like
looking back, I mean, I'm so grateful for it. But
it was also a time in you know, the media
(16:59):
and pop call sure when I feel like women were
being pitted against each other a lot. You know. It
was like my first episode on One Tree Hill was
with Kevin Fetterline. He was like playing the lead singer
in MIA's band. And this was right when like the
media was being horrible to Brittany and everybody was you know,
up in arms about that. So it was really a
(17:21):
special thing to have that camaraderie and to have that support.
So I was proactive about saying, this is a job,
this is a craft. I need to you know, really
like I need to know what I'm doing. I need
to be a pro I need to show up and
know my lines and understand how this works. But also
I had a lot of support and I am very
(17:43):
grateful for that. That's so cool.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
And I do think looking back at that time frame
and when that show was like just poppin', it's like
it really was a time in the media where women
were pitted against each other. So that's actually really cool
that you felt that kind of like sisterhood or friendship
with those women. Yeah, and I think people respect humility,
(18:10):
you know. I feel like the fact that you were
coming in there and being like, Okay, I have to
pretend like I know everything and that I'm totally comfortable
with this, because I think people sometimes feel that way
and it's maybe it's too much pressure on yourself or
it can make you seem like you're not open to
direction and stuff like that. So you probably approached it
with the perfect the perfect way where you're like, hey,
(18:31):
I'm doing my best, putting my best foot forward, but
open to communication and just.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Like being a better cast mate. So that's pretty cool. Yeah,
that I totally agree. I think it's important to be
honest about where you're at creatively because everybody's been there,
right everybody had their first job, everybody had their first
show where they were terrified up there. You know, most
people I think who perform or do anything in front
(18:58):
of the camera for a living have some degree of
stage right. So it's you know, like a lot of
us are like weird introverted artists. Like getting up in
front of people and entertaining everyone is not like I
never set out to be the center of attention, but
that ends up being, you know, part of the job.
And I think, yeah, I think that a mixture of
sort of saying, hey, I'm taking this seriously and I'm
(19:20):
working really hard and I so appreciate your help, but
also I might need help and I'm not you know,
one hundred percent. I don't know one hundred percent what
I'm doing yet. Is that goes a long way, I think.
I mean, I do you feel like there was any
degree of that on The Bachelor? I mean it's a
different type of performance, but it's a type of that's
a skill to be able to entertain an audience and
(19:43):
be yourself in front of a camera on an unscripted show. Like,
did that take some getting used to it?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I had a really hard time, Uh, I struggled with it.
I was very uncomfortable, just like I wasn't. I'm not
uncomfortable to let my guard down around people or in dating.
Like I think I'm such an open book online. I'm
just totally comfortable people ask me questions about my personal life.
For the most part, I'm pretty comfortable to share my
feelings or thoughts like perspective. But something about having to
(20:15):
like act natural with cameras on me, it just never
felt natural. I don't think I ever got used to it.
The only time I think maybe I did get used
to it was after I was completely off the season
and I was with the guy from the show, and
we came back for like a segment on a future
show that actually never even aired, and it was the
(20:36):
only time that I truly forgot that the cameras were there.
And I don't know if it's because it was no
longer about me, Like we were there to talk to,
you know, other people that are being featured on the show,
so we were kind of just like secondary characters, I
guess you would say. And that was the only time
I actually felt comfortable. And maybe it's because there wasn't
(20:57):
pressure or like pressure to to feel anything or to
say the right thing, like you were just I was
just there, And maybe that's maybe that's a good indicator
of how it felt being on the show, because I
think there is a pressure to like you, you want
to fall in love and you want this to work
it out, and even though any one's specifically pressuring you,
you kind of feel pressure yourself. So I don't think
(21:18):
I really got used to it when I was a
contestant on the show. It just always felt a little
bit unnatural to me.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
But that's charming to hear though, like as a you
know what I mean, Like, I think that that probably
is something that vulnerability is something that an audience can
relate to. So even though for you it's like you
wish it was a little bit more comfortable, to me,
I'm like, that's so charming because I think everybody, yeah,
and I think everybody feels that way because it's it's
awkward enough trying to find love without cameras in your face.
(21:46):
So I think that's part of it's weird. That's kind
of part of the appeal, is that you know, people
are just they're just being themselves and they're trying to
not think about the camera right. It's an interesting like
dichotomy there. It is so cool. It is interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Okay, before I let you go, I wanted to ask
you about your new single. It's called The Only One,
Is that right? And it just came out in May.
Can you tell us about the songwriting process and what
you're excited for people to hear when they listen to it.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah. Absolutely, I'm so excited about this song. So this
is one of our like this is the love song,
so it's kind of perfect for this conversation about the
bachelor and finding love. Like the Only One is really
about just that feeling when you find somebody and you
just get this magical sort of spark and you know,
(22:50):
the chorus lines are I want to sleep in your
T shirt, I want to sing through your speakers, And
it's like just that sweet feeling of like finding somebody
who just like opens up these different sort of galaxies
for you. And it was really fun to write because
you know, we have a lot of music that's just
(23:12):
really fun, Like our record is this these big guitars,
this indie synth pop. It's kind of like a lot
of the theme is sort of about like finding the
fun and the party and like a refuge in the
chaos of like a world that feels very post apocalyptics sometimes,
and we really wanted to just make an album that
you could like jump up and down on your bed
(23:34):
and sing with your friends, you know, And this song
it's still that, but it's like this is the really
kind of you know, bringing a little bit of our
emo pasted into it. This like, you know, emotional love
song just about the magic of finding that person who
you know, whether it's a first date and you're just
like majorly crushing on this person, or whether it's you know,
(23:57):
someone you've been with. I've been married to my husband
for almost twelve years, you know, and so it's like
that feeling kind of is something everybody can relate to,
whether it's all across the board. So it's one of
my favorite songs. It's very like galactic, like the sounds
and stuff are really sort of floaty, and it's very
(24:20):
singable and fun. So I'm really excited for people to
hear it. It's been really cool to hear their sponts
so far. That's so cool.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I love the way you described even the sounds in it.
I'm really I'm really happy for you guys, it sounds awesome.
Where can everyone find you and where can they listen
to your music?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah? Absolutely, so they can find me on any social
media platform. I'm at Kate Vogel and your Future Ghost
is on every platform as well. We're on Spotify, We're
on Apple Music, We're on anywhere you can think of.
And I would love to hear people's feedback on the
songs and would love to just see everybody at the
(24:59):
shows when we start touring. We're we're hoping to sort
of get all of that stuff worked out soon, but
we're dropping our debut album this summer, so I have
a lot we have a lot of new music coming
soon that I cannot wait for everybody to hear. So
definitely hop over and say hi on Instagram, TikTok, anywhere.
I would love to. I love I love hearing like
(25:19):
sharing our music with new fans and stuff too. So
it's if you saw me on The Bachelor way back
in two thousand and nine, hopefully you'll be excited about
this this new stuff. It's it's I'm really proud of it,
like just beyond excited about it. It's so cool.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I'm gonna have to come watch when you guys go
on tour. I'm in La too, but you guys have
a show there or somewhere close by.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
So yeah, definitely, when we have a show in La,
I'll yeah, I'll absolutely be sure to let you know
when we're coming through. It's going to be a lot
of fun. I love that.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Well, thank you so much for joining us on Beyond
the Bachelor, and thank you guys for listening.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
We'll see you next time. Follow the Ben and Ashley
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