November 10, 2023 • 45 mins
We’ve made it to the Women Tell All for Gerry’s season of The Golden Bachelor!
Ben and Ashley get into a debate about WHY Gerry sent Faith home… was it physical attraction? Or physical location??
Plus, Ben reveals his theory of why it might be YEARS before we see another season of The Golden Bachelor!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hey, guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Today we're breaking down the Golden Bachelor the women Tell
All episode, which who It was a shocking shocking episode
for me, not so much for Ben apparently, but let's
let's let's go through that same It was.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Ben Theresa this entire time, and I.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Was switched last week?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah you did? You did?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I said, Hey, he said stuff to Faith that he
didn't say to Teresa. I don't think I can put
my eggs in Teresa's basket. Now. I am a Faith guy,
I'm a Leslie guy, and we're running with this. However, ultimately,
you know what, Hindsight's twenty twenty guess who's right? I
was right right not last week, guys.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I said it on my Instagram.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I felt like this was a two thousand and aughts
episode of American Idol, like a Chris Daughtry elimination to me, okay,
I was like, oh, taken aback, and you know, well,
I just I want answers from Gary. I didn't get
enough last night. I want to know why he chose
Theresa over Faith who he announced his love for But first,
(01:13):
before we get to that stuff, and we have another
Grandma on this week and we'll talk to her about
the faith elimination, let's talk about just the women not
really telling all because they are all very happy and
love each other and love Gary. Still there's no animosity
amongst any of these ladies, and they still all were like,
Gary would love to be with him.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yeah, have we ever seen in a tell like this? Never?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So it was really sweet.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
It was sweet. Now, a few things that we need
to touch on. One I think is the hot seat
with Joan and Joan it was a lot more emotional
than I expected. That one was probably the biggest surprise
other than face Obviously emotion coming out I didn't necessarily
get surprised by because I expected in a sense. But
Joan to me was sitting there. I mean she said
(02:04):
the words. There were days I drove home and thought
you might be sitting on my doorsteps. No. I think Joan,
if given the more appropriate situation, would have been like Gary,
like I want to make this work with you now,
and I think we can make it work. There has
been a turmoil in her soul. It felt like that
(02:26):
she was trying to express to him on stage.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
She wanted to be respectful at the same time. You
could tell she.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Did a great job at it, but it was deeper
than I expected.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, because didn't she say something like I don't want
to like she wanted to touch him too, just like
Faith did, but like she was like, oh, I think
she in her head was like, oh, you're probably you're
with somebody, so I want to respect her.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, this is really sad.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Her daughter had bad case of Postparwerm depression, so she
had to go home after a one on one with him, and.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Man, it's just the timing.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
And she says when asked by Jesse whether or not
she thinks it could have been her in the end,
and she said yes, but we'll never know unless something happens,
which was Gary, we don't want this to happen, not
rooting for it. But if Gary doesn't end up with
this lady that he ends up with, I could see
(03:20):
him going to one of his past contestants, particularly Joan,
because he didn't get a full run with her.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Sure. Actually, I agree with what you're saying. I understand
what you're saying. I do think that's true. I think
there's only a few that he'd be interested in doing
that with U, and I think Joan is one of those.
I do still think Faith is one of those. I
think his second choice is going to be one of those. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
So those three basically.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah, because it felt like a lot of the Ellen
maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I feel like he wanted it to be with Ellen.
He wanted to feel it with Ellen.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
But he didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
It didn't compare to the other three, So I don't
think he would go to somebody who didn't.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Compare with And here's my also hope and thought actually
is because somebody mentioned it last night, the women now
are gonna start putting their foot forward to start to
date again. And I'm hoping all of them are now
dating with somebody and like finding out what they're into,
just like the show does for all of us. It
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has right every year. It makes you see what you're
into more and less, what you're looking for more or less,
and you're more prepared to get out there and date
again after the show. And so I'm hoping these women
now are like, yeah, Gary, you're great, and I still
think you're awesome, but I am dating somebody new and
I'm excited about that. And so like, yes, we're not
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going to work out. So I think I think I
do see what you're saying. There still is that care.
And I believe Gary when he says he loves these women.
I think he does. He says it to all of them,
I love you. I believe he feels it and means it.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
M h.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Not to switch to switch gears. I got to talk
about the Chris.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Jitter cameo, which was held by a phone by Jesse.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, I still think it's good. I still think it's
still great.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It was still great.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Made everybody really happy, of course Susan, mostly because you know,
Chris gave her a special shout out.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, and it was cool.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It was It was cool because, like you can tell,
she's genuinely been following this season. And you touch on
that in our on our Bachelor in Paradise episode, you
said you knew this was coming.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Who told you that? Well, I watched the episode already
it was coming. But that was my big teasers. Yes,
Chris Jitter does make a cameo. I think it's fantastic.
The you know we're we are going to bring in
Ninas here in just a second to kind of talk
about the emotions of the evening and everything going on
(05:52):
in the Bachelor or everything going on uh from this
tell all uh, but anything else before we bring her
on that you think is we're speaking of. I would
say the bloopers, Oh, okay, are really worth it.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, my sister loved the bloopers.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
She was like, this is the greatest real that they've
had in such a long time. It was the arts
that of course, yeah, so gas focused and then the
guacamole causing gas.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I don't know, it's the gak onions. Maybe they could
have been the onions in the golf. I still think
it's the meat balls. I would just say this and this.
You know, we we over the last few weeks have
been sick of talking about, you know, potty jokes like
it's they're not that funny and they're not that original.
Sam poop the Sam pooping on Paradise, Like we're sick
of it. However, I have to give credit where credit
(06:44):
is due. I've never heard a more confident and loud
and long fart than what we heard from Sondra, Like
I've never in my life, and I've been around a
lot of dudes, and I've been around a lot of
locker rooms. I've never ever, ever I thought it was fake.
I thought they were just like making a sound go
behind the scenes there right until you were saying and
(07:08):
I was like, that is amazing, Like it was the
perfect clip. She was like it was weird. Typically like
gas is not something that like is. It's a pretty
big turn off to me. For her, I was like, damn,
Like that was the most like confident, cool way of
I've ever seen anybody release themselves.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
It's so funny the difference between girls of that age
and girls of our age, Like eventually with your closest friends,
you're like, guys, leave the room. I just farted a
real bad fart, but like to show it off. I
don't know if we'll ever get there that maybe we will.
The other thing we need to talk about is sad,
(07:45):
very sad Ellen. Yeah, and Ellen, the loss of Ellen's
best friend who she signed her up for the show
or like in a you know, a pack they kind
of signed her up for the show, and.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So sad.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Her daughter was there though, and it was a really
beautiful moment where Ellen gets to see her daughter and
her daughter says some of the sweetest and kindest words
to her. Jesse crying, Yeah, Jesse got emotional. It is
very emotional, right, like there is there. It's the part
of this show that could be unique if seasons continue,
(08:24):
would be as you know, we get older, death is
it happens every of us, all of us, Like it's
the one thing all of us have in common, and
it is going to be more prevalent because you know,
life goes on and disease happens, and these you know,
these people are having friendships with people who have been
through a lot of life. But it's not easy and
it's not it's not great. And I just wish her
(08:48):
friend could have seen this season play out like that.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I know that seems like she said, she goes, you
should go now we'll just watch it from different places.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Because they just dreamed about watching it together on the couch.
It was so sad.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
It was sad, and then it was a beautiful moment
with her daughter and her daughter being able to be
there and and speak those words to Ellen and just
you know, be a part of that that show. Last evening,
it was Ashley, you know, as we close up here,
it was the most fun tell all I have watched
in a long time I've said that, probably about this
whole season. Nobody's It's not a secret that I'm a
(09:34):
huge fan of The Golden I think there's so many
cool elements to it, and I think it's been a
really fun watch and a lot to learn as we've
seen how these women navigate with each other and how
supportive they are of each other, how fun they are
with each other, but then also seeing Gary's journey and
how he is so committed to finding love and at
this point he's really expressing love and I don't it's
(09:56):
you know, I hope that works out for him, But
it was the it was the best tell all that
I've seen a long time. I want it to be longer.
I want more episodes. I feel like these hour long
segments are just not enough for my viewing pleasure.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
This felt like enough to me, but every other episode
has definitely not. And before we get our Grandma on,
I just need to say Sandra is seventy five. She
looks twenty years younger.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Oh easily, I mean she easily mind blowing.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
She started the crowd with the calmed each other by
going love it.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Maybe that's the secret to anti aging. Yeah, no, yeah,
maybe it's the secret to anti aging. I don't know,
but she looks amazing. I mean, honestly, all of these
women didn't. I think the other part of this show
that they're gonna have a hard time with and how
is how in the world do they cast from hearing out?
Because this was a great cast, It was a great
(11:03):
Golden I.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Actually have a lot of faith in them being able
to cast amazing women going forward.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
They just had to get it started and showed that, hey,
this could be a really good thing.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yes, they're could be so many applicants.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Because of so many applicants, that's true. Okay, hey, let's
bring in Inez. Let's talk about the rest of the
tell all. I know she has some strong thoughts. She
is a big fan of the Bachelor franchise, watches The
Bachelor Bachelor at Paradise Everything obviously the Golden because that's
why she's here. Let's bring her out. As every week
(11:43):
we get the pleasure, the privilege, the honor of having
some incredible people join us to break down the Golden Bachelor.
This week we have Inez, who we know through one
of the producers at iHeart thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So last night was just a shocking episode.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
We've already recapped it, but we want to know all
your initial takeaways.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Okay, So I basically feel that this group of women
is just amazing. I think they're so the camaradity that
I see here, and they all stick together and they
all support each other. That is so unusual for me
because obviously I watch. The reason I'm even here is
(12:28):
because my kids know I'm like love The Bachelor, and
I watch all of the episodes, like way before this
even started, and I've never seen that in a group
of women before. Usually they're fighting each other, there are
all kinds of schemes. I mean, it's so this is
refreshing to see. So that's what I love about it.
(12:52):
The parts that really I did not like is how
he's telling these the women that he was serious with,
that he was really in love with them. And when
you do that to an older woman. I know, the
other guys did that in the twenties and they're in
their thirties, you know, it's different when you do this
(13:15):
to people that are like sixty five and older, it's
really intense. I mean, they take it very serious to
the point of devastation. I mean some of these think
about this. Some of these women don't even want to date.
They gave up on dating. Here they are on this show,
(13:36):
and they are, you know, taking this guy for what
he says, even though in the back of them note
they're like, oh yeah, you know, maybe you know I'm
not the one. I know, there's other people there, there's
two others left or whatever. They are still taking it
very serious. You could see that last night.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Can you share what your relationship status is?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Well, now I'm married, but I was single for all
of my forties. I'm a mom. I have four kids
and I raised them while I was dating, and I was.
It was to the point where I was like a
serial dater. So I've gone through People used to joke,
(14:17):
oh my god, that's her. That's like her business. You know,
she works, but that's her business too, she dates. Like all,
I was like dating three people at the same time,
all through my voice. Well that's why I was work.
But it was fun. I enjoyed it. But I can
feel what these women are going through because of it,
(14:40):
and you can't. I just feel, you know, I know
Gary is new at this, but yeah, you can't say
that to a woman. That's it's really, you know, I
love you? Like those words are intense, and they just
from the reaction. I was watching last night when the
women tell all, did you see how I think it
(15:02):
was Ellen? No, No, it was Faith? Which one? Yeah,
Faith is the one he he let go? Oh my god.
She would not let him go. She was like, did
you see how she was crying? That's what my point is.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, I found it interesting because amongst our age group,
when they get dumped, they get a little bit more
like I don't even want to touch you, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
And she still agree of touching him.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Oh yeah, And that's my point. It just that was
a bad part of the show, you know, and I
think he's learned from that. I'm hoping at this point
doesn't matter. But yeah, you're just not a good thing
to say that, and of course they set it back
because they really meant it.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
So three things I want to touch on with you
and knows that you just mentioned three separate topics because
I think all of them are important. We didn't talk
about him really during our breakdown. The first one is
you started out saying, hey, these women are very supportive
of each other. It's refreshing. I enjoy it, that's your opinion.
Do you also feel like this is what the fan
(16:13):
base for The Bachelor has been craving, is to go
back away from drama and more into this just human
stories connecting with each other, trying to figure it out.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
I don't you know. That's a really good question. I
think it is refreshing. Yeah, for a certain age group. Okay,
only for a certain age group, and that's obviously the
older age group. But I personally, and I'm in that
age group, and I have to tell you, I personally
(16:44):
enjoy watching The Bachelor when they're twenties, twenties and thirties.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
For me, is it more comedic, like does it make
you laugh and kind of be like, oh, you'll learn
one day? Or is it Are you as gripped and
as emotional watching that as you are with the Golden Bachelor?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (17:00):
I'm not as emotional. It depends on the person. Like
I was emotional for some of the girls when they
were in their twenties and stuff because I couldn't believe
they were doing what they were doing. And I'm like, no,
don't do this, you know, stuff like that. But yeah,
I mean, it's just more entertaining I for the older,
(17:20):
you know people, it's more it's more realistic in a way,
but it's more corny, I guess that's the best way
to put it. Sort of weird in corny, like almost
like I feel like I'm watching my parents make out
and I'm like, oh, no, you don't want to go there, no, no, no, no,
(17:43):
So it's more I'm like, yeah, it's just weird.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I got that during the bloopers. Especially the bloopers really
highlighted just how real and authentic and how kind of
untamed all of them are, Like they just don't care
as much. So yeah, they're like letting out gas on camera,
which is something that like you know, isn't probably very
familiar to those that are on The Bachelor and Bachelorette.
(18:10):
And then you know they're flashing each other and like
they know there's cameras all around, and you know, they
don't care as much like they do have that. Okay,
the second thing I want to talk to you about was
you mentioned the villains kind of how the supportive of
each other. You know, we don't really have a villain
from this season, and I think that was a unique
thing about the tell all is we saw how all
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of them now are approaching each other after the show
and supporting each other and laughing at each other. And
so we don't have that villain coming off this season.
In fact, we have some characters that may be disrupted,
Kathy being one of those. However, there isn't a villain
that everybody's attacking. And I enjoyed that about to tell all,
(18:55):
I'm sick of Tellaw's that personally where it's just yelling
and screaming and fighting and nothing really gets accomplished. This
felt different.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Well, yeah, it's more warm and cozy, and like I
said before, they really are supportive of each other and
it's wonderful to see that. But it depends who you are.
I mean, sometimes you love that drama and you can't wait.
I mean, I think that's why ABC wants to have
someone that stirs the pot, because it makes it the
(19:27):
show more exciting.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Does it also makes me feel sick you're watching it though.
It makes me feel because we come on the show,
we come on the podcast Almost Famous podcast and we
have you know, we break down the episodes and it
feels weird to be so critical of somebody. It's not
something that you know, we enjoy doing It does at
times bring some excitement. Yes, it brings a topic that's
(19:50):
talk about. It brings confusion and like you know, keeps
it stays in your mind until the next week. But
it's not a part of humanity diet I enjoy. I
don't think I know Ashley does enjoy it, Like we
don't enjoy sitting here being like that person is psycho
like they are making the weirdest decisions.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Well, yeah, you don't want to be attacked. Nobody likes
to be attacked in front of all these people, of course,
but you know they're coming on the show. They know
that's what's going to happen is when they go to
a Tello.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah, let's just talk about like the shocking moment at
the end of the episode find out that Faith has
gotten out. Bet and I have already given our initial dots,
but like, were you just like gasping because I I
was just kind of like this episode was just running
along and I'm like, h on my phone because you know,
it's a great it's a recab and I was like
(20:45):
this Rose ceremony, I know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Like this is the most obvious Rose ceremony of all time.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
And then I'm just like and then he goes Teresa,
and I go, I was like, you mean Teresa, you're pulling?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Are you pulling Teresa to say goodbye to her privately?
Speaker 5 (21:02):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
The roads is going to Teresa.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
That's exactly That's exactly how I felt. What Wait a minute,
are you sure you said that? Are you sure you
said that name? Wait a minute, did you make a mistake?
Because that's I think it was a shock for everybody.
It was so weird. So now I'm thinking, I don't know.
(21:27):
I feel like I already know who's going to pick.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
But then again, the spoilers or because he told us
by picking, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
My kids look at the spoilers. I never do because
I just want to know at the end.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
But yeah, now it's really obvious who he's picking, Yes, Leslie.
Well yeah, but then again, I said with certainty last
week it was Faith, So who the hell knows?
Speaker 5 (21:55):
No, I really that's what I think. I think it's
going to be Leslie.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
For the Fantasy Suites really mixed things up, which obviously
are a big training point.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Ben, I can't believe, like I can't.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I feel like you looked at spoilers, thinking that Theresa
was going further than I never.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Look at spoilers, Ashley. I barely have enough time to
watch an episode. I do not dig deep into what's
happening in the forecast for the season.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, okay, I thought that, like maybe Garyett told you
or something.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
No, I don't think they would allow that. But I
have felt like it's Teresa for a long time and
I've stuck to that, and Ashley knows that. And then
last week I started to question myself, and this week
I'm right back on the Teresa train. I'm like this kid.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
He didn't say I love you back to Teresa, but
did say it to Faith, actually initiated it to Faith.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
That was mind blowing.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Okay, so that brings me my third point that I
wanted to talk to you about.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
But he also said it to Leslie.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, I know, but but like he didn't say to Teresa.
My thought is that perhaps we saw it in order. No, no, no, yeah,
So Teresa's hometown probably did really go first, and he
wasn't sure he was going to say I love you,
you know what I mean. And then once he was
with the other two ladies, who was like, ah, let's
(23:13):
say I love you.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Yeah, but I think he really meant you know, he's
not just saying it, and the way he actually really
means it.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Oh yeah, I know, I think that I meant like
verbalizing it. He's like, okay, like I'll vitilize it now.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Okay. So here's my third point that I wanted to
talk to about. And I think that's a great spot
for us to sit until we have to say goodbye
to you. Is the love use I love yous. That's
a big deal to you, obviously, and as like it's
a big deal to us, it's a big deal to Gary,
and it's a big deal to these women. And so
it's a very interesting thing to speak about now because
he did verbalize these I do think he meant that.
(23:49):
I do think he meant them when he said it.
Uh So we have a we have a weird situation
going on right. Gary hasn't dated in a long time,
his heart has not been opened up to anybody else
in a long time, and so now he's feeling these feels.
Maybe it's love, Maybe he's just very much liking somebody
(24:10):
more than he has in a while. But he says
it and you have already said you had a problem
with this, that you don't think it's fair that he's
saying it again, maybe to them, like reverbalizing this. I'm wondering,
because you know, I've been in a similar situation. If
(24:30):
we're giving Gary a little bit of the benefit of
the doubt here, I'm wondering if he's reinforcing this into
in faith, especially because he wants her to know that
she is lovable and that he did get there with her,
and that he still cares so much for her, and
he's so appreciative for her, and he personally in his
mind right now, is thinking the best way to do
this is to make sure she knows that I wasn't lying,
(24:52):
that I wasn't confused, that I was torn apart and
I had to send her home because I had two
other women there that I think I'm in love with more.
And he thought this was actually the kind way to
do it.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Wait, how is a kind.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Because he's he's giving he's giving her that boost of
confidence he thinks his mind closure to say, hey, this
wasn't fake, like this was not a waste of your time.
You are you are able to be loved. I loved you.
I still love you, I still care about you. You're
just not the person I'm going to be with in
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the end, in any other life, any other situation. Faith,
maybe he's saying you and I we could have made
this thing work, but not here.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Well, what's really weird is that, like he didn't give.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Any closure to me as a viewer as to why
he dumped her when she sat next to him on
the tell All, we didn't get any reasoning. I was
getting so many dms saying that he that he must
have just kept thinking, like, she doesn't want to move
to Indiana, she doesn't want to live with that like house.
She wants to be with her family, and maybe that
(26:00):
was the number one reason. But at least can I
hear that?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Can she hear that?
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Well? Who knows how she's feeling after this. I mean,
at least he was there and reiterated, you know, just
like what you said before, it's not your we're just
not the right fit. But I do love you as
a person. Sure, so I don't know. Hopefully, you know,
obviously she has to go on. She's she's going to
(26:26):
go on, and she knows that there's always going to
be this love between them like a you know, good friend.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I mean, he definitely, and I think it's a part
of the Golden Bachelor. It's going to be very interesting
if they do another season, which I sure hope they do.
You know, even with Don, Like we see Don sitting there,
and I feel like Don's feelings were very similar to face, like, hey,
I left you, and I'm really sad, and I think
this could have been something special. Now right, let me
play out a scenario here, And I have no clue
(26:53):
if it's true. I have no clue if this is
a part of it. But what if what if Gary
can't give faith the closure because he's physically more attracted
to or the physical chemistry is better with Leslie and
Teresa and saying that on stage and saying that to
her is very harmful and very hurtful and not something
you want to say, even though he thinks she's beautiful,
(27:15):
even though he's like, you are gorgeous. Again, in any
other life, we could have made sense. But I have
two women here that my physical chemistry is better with,
and I also care about them a lot, and so
I had to come down to that, Like that was
my final decision maker. Like he can't say that.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
All right, you're not gonna of course not so you're right,
that could be the reason, but we don't know. But yeah,
that might be the reason. I make that is a
very good point. You're not gonna, you know, hurt somebody
by saying that, But yeah, that's a good point. I
like that.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Would that have helped Ashley? Like, you're you're quiet here,
and I'm assuming you're still upset that you don't know
why Faith went home.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I don't I don't I don't believe that to be
the truth either, because I just think that he was
very attracted to her. Sure, I honestly, if I had
heard like it was where I lived, I'd be like,
I can live with that.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Yeah, but what if that's not true. What I'm saying
is she could have said, Gary, we never really discussed it,
and I would have been willing to give up everything
for you, like she could have responded like down the couch,
and then he sitting here going, uh, yeah, you're right,
I don't really have I don't know, I know, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I feel like you can always say the truth, but
in a kind way, well, yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
No, you can't say it's a physical thing. You cannot.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I don't think that's what it is, though I'm so
convinced that that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Only thing I can think of it is, it's the
only thing I can think of.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
But like, I'm sorry because like, as like I know
that I'm not Gary, but like I found her to
be the most attractive of all three left, so I
can't imagine thought otherwise.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
My beauty isn't the eye of the older I know.
I mean, you're not the guy and a guy A
lot of them, honestly, and that a lot of guys
will never tell you that that was the reason we
just didn't have a good physical connection. But really that
is the reason they're never gonna you'll never know.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
I mean, he's had she got the first impression Rose.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
He was obviously very attracted to her.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Sure, but he's had more intimate moments with the other two.
I mean, we've seen kind of the making out, as
we've said, and we've seen that. Like, but you know,
I'm with you. You can make the argument backwards where
you're like, hey, yeah, but when he kissed her in
front of the whole family, which is a which was
probably what I would say would be Gary's biggest mistake
of the season, Like that is something that even me,
(29:42):
in all of my complexities and issues, would have never done.
Like that was a big deal.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Well, he apologized, He apologized.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
For that, Yeah he did. He said that's what he
felt most guilty about.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Yeah he should, because I think that's a big deal
and it gave a lot of hope in to the family,
and the family thought they were witnessing a moment very
special and intimate and one that they're gonna be able
to celebrate. I do think that was That was the
moment where I turned away from Teresa and said, no,
faith is like faith is here, Leslie's already gone the rose.
I'm over it all right. As we close up here
(30:27):
and as thoughts on the rest of the season, obviously
you still think Leslie is going to be picked? Yeah
do you? I guess kind of? You know you're married,
but you have dated in the past. With with this
intimacy coming up and the fantasy suites, is that going
to be a kind of an awkward time for them?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
You know?
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Again, I think we just need to say it, because
it's true. Gary hasn't dated in a long time, right,
A lot of these women haven't dated in a long time.
Being alone with somebody in a room with the connotation
that you're going to get physically intimate. Whatever that means
to you and whatever boundaries you set for that is
going to be something unique and different to each person.
Now from your perspective, with your friendships and your personal life,
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how do you think that will play out? You know,
behind closed doors.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
I think they're just gonna it all depends on the
again what you said before, the chemistry. I mean, if
he has a lot of chemistry with Leslie, which I
think he does, I mean, who knows, it could get
very intimate or it depends on both of them what
(31:37):
they want. I mean a lot of people think about, well,
you know, I don't know, there's still another woman left.
I'm not going to go there. Let's just have you know,
cuddle or whatever and we'll have great discussions all night
or whatever they want to do. But they're just not
going to go there to that place of being totally
(31:59):
you know, intimate. But it depends on both of them
and what there is.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
I'm going to come out and say it, okay, he well,
Leslie asked when the last time he had sexes, So like,
maybe he'll be honest, maybe he'll say it, Maybe.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
He'll say, like we could talk about that behind closed
doors whatever. But let's just pretend it's his wife and.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
That means that he's Well, they met in high school too.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
What if it was like the only woman he's ever
slept with, And it's like, could you imagine going in
and doing that with somebody else at that age?
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I don't know. I can't.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I can't imagine, Like I don't, I don't like I
this would be a big roadblock for me, to be honest.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
First of all, I think Leslie is the one that
would initiate it all. Oh, he's totally physical and yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
She's got a lot of sexuality.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Yeah, and not only that, that's what she does for
a living. Isn't she a exercise.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
She's a yoga and short. Yeah, so she's like her
whole it's her body. She's very in tune with her body.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
So she's the one. I don't think that would be
an issue for her because of.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Not her, I'm talking about Gary.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I'm saying if the woman is, it's not an issue
for the woman. She would like coach him along. I'm
not kidding, she would be.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
The I mean emotional, I mean emotional and physically.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
I mean, here's the thing. We're talking about people who
have been in relationship and they know. Now you know,
it's different actually than sex on The Bachelor and Bachelorette
because sometimes there you're so horned up over after three months.
You guys are just wanting to get released and like
it's a it's like a it's like a college hookup.
It's like a, Hey, let's just you know, you're beautiful,
(33:44):
I'm you know, ready, let's just go after it. But here,
I do think it will be different because once you
experience sex within a relationship, there is that intimacy, There
is the ability to coach, to verbalize, to talk about, Hey,
this is what I like, this is what I want,
this is what I need. And yes, it's gonna get
awkward at times because you guys are trying new things,
(34:07):
You're experiencing new you know, new environments with new people.
I think on this show, out of any show we've
seen up to this point in the twenty plus seasons,
there is a level of intimacy and vulnerability and connection
that will exist within these relationships. That we've never seen
before because it's not new to them. Like sex no
(34:27):
longer means a hookup and a release necessarily. Maybe it
does at times, you know, marriage still has that. But
also they're like, I know what it feels like to
be in a loving, committed sexual relationship, and I think
that's what they're bringing to the table. So I don't
know if they're gonna do it or not, but I
do believe Gary and these women are prepared to say, yeah,
(34:47):
I'm not comfortable doing that in the fantasy suites, or
I am comfortable doing that, and then once they are,
they can say, and this is what it's you know,
what can it look like with you?
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I mean that like I would feel like a traitor
to my late's wife.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Definitely.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
This would be the moment where I'd be like, I'm
moving on officially.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
That is that weird that that.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Would might not be the right word I would use,
because I think I get what you're saying. There's a
there's like a guilt, maybe the guilt thank you.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, I was gonna say guilt. I wasn't sure what
the right word was, but I would feel guilty in the.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Moment, sure, But you got to get over it, Like, yeah, okay,
what do you think.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
I mean now at this point, I think the guilt
would be gone. I mean, look, he's gone through all
of this dating process already. They've been you know, she
has passed away for so many years already, and he's yeah,
I maybe a tiny bit he might be thinking about it,
but no, when you have who's so into you, like
(35:49):
Leslie is so into him, I think the rest would
be very comfortable for him. They decided to do.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
That, okay.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
And the point that we talked about two weeks ago,
Ashley and I think we saw it and it might
be an underspoken point that the show I believe maybe
missed communicating because they tried to bring out emotion at
times some comedy at times also communicate the relationships. Gary's
journey through this has been really spectacular because week one
(36:21):
through two he couldn't bring up his late wife without crying,
He could not emotionally speak about her without getting teary
eyed and without like breaking down. Now, after a few
weeks and after kind of getting his foot back in
the water and saying, hey, I'm gonna start dating again,
I'm gonna start exploring this he is a lot more
confident speaking about his late wife. He speaks about her
(36:42):
with love and admiration, but isn't as emotional because I
think in Gary's journey, he at some point during this season,
and I bet if you asked him personally, there was
a point where he said, wait, I've moved on, Like
I'm I still care and I still love and I
still remember, but my heart is ready for something new.
(37:04):
So I don't know if, like Gary, if that's really
even on his mind at this point. I think he's
so focused on maybe I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Yeah, I remember him saying something like that, Oh well
he did.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
He does. He's pretty honest about.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Being his feelings. He's down.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Oh I was gonna say, like he almost seems like
he's ready to get sexy.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I think he said something along those lines where he
was like, it's gonna get it might get hot, and
like right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I mean, I don't know if I want to think
about that, but I'm not ready. I'm not ready for
like the intimacy details here, Like I've had a hard
enough time watching him make out. I'm not ready for
I'm not ready for the hot and steamy.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I think both, but like to put it out there,
I do think both ladies are going to be into
using the fantasy suite in the way that the Fantasy
Suite is just.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Sure, sure well, and as it sure has been awesome
having you. You've been absolutely incredible to have here. I
really appreciate you coming on and just talking through this
with us. Obviously, we were excited, as you know co hosts,
to get to this point in the season because we
knew it would get there the conversations would get more serious,
(38:23):
like we would go away from like who's he gonna
pick and who's he dating? And what do you think
to hey, how does this play out in a fantasy suite?
How does this play out emotional? Emotionally? As Faith now
tries to move on from this incredible love and incredible
person that she had in her life, and it is
it does make our conversations more interesting. And you stepped
up today and walk through it with us, so so
(38:44):
thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
I have a question, though, do you think they are
gonna pick bachelorette?
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Now?
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Aren't they the Golden Bachelorette?
Speaker 4 (38:51):
I have a feeling they're not.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Wait, okay, you would think so, but they will not
be announcing it. No way, there's no way that nothing's
been green Land or anything like that. But they certainly
get gave faith the Bachelorette.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Edit. For me, I think everybody got the Bachelorette it.
I could see every single woman that came into this
house being the next Bachelorette on this show and it
being great. Here's my concern. I have this theory. I've
never said it publicly, but I have a theory that
there will never be another Golden Show.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
He sort of, he was. He told us about this
a little bit last week.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
He said that they haven't they've decided, they still haven't
made a decision about it. And Ben now is elaborating
on that theory and saying that there's not ever going
to be one.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
And why is that?
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Ben?
Speaker 4 (39:36):
I believe, in my heart of hearts that there's not
going to be another Golden Show for a long time.
And here's why I think it's going to play out.
This show is way too big of a success and
it will it is eating It's going to eat up
the Bachelor and Bachelorette, just like it's kind of eating
up Paradise. Now, let me finish let me let me finish.
(39:57):
It's eating up Paradise. The ratings are down for Paradise.
I believe The Bachelor is going to have a hard
time living up to what the Golden Bachelor was and
people are going to get sick of that and want
the Golden Bachelor again. And the show isn't ready to
put all their eggs in the Golden basket yet because
it's not what their franchise is built on. And so
what I think is going to happen is they're going
(40:19):
to pause the Golden Show now, let the Bachelorette and
Bachelor play out like it is for the next few years,
in a sense, die off, and then they'll bring back
the Golden to try to get another five to seven
year stint out of it, and then that makes the
show a thirty year show instead of you know, all
of this trying to be done at once. That's my theory.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Interesting.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
I mean, how how here's my question to lead the
audience with, and you I nez with, how in the
world does Joey's I mean, Joey's probably going to be great.
How in the world does he follow up Gary? He
can't like he just it is an impossible situation for me.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
Well, no, but it's such a different demographic. It's such
a different scene. It's so different. You're talking about twenty
year old thirty year olds versus you know, sixty and
seventy year old, So there's such a different audience.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
I think it's the same viewing audience.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
It is the same. I think it's the same viewing
audience too. I bet you they got up. They got
some more older viewers, But for the most part, I
do think that the age range is the same. I
see what Ben is talking about. Yeah, it's not like
the Golden Bachelor has abandoned its young audience, do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Like they like, any twenty.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Five to forty five year old who watches The Bachelor
is also watching the Golden Bachelor, So not they're keeping
their core audience and maybe gaining some older But in
the numbers numbers game, you want to be able to
you want to have that like twenty five to fifty
ish range because that's like where the money grab is.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Right.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
I would say this though, and I mean, I think
here's the business model for this, right. If Paradise's ratings
were showing to be very good, and high. I think
then all of this plays together well and they say, Okay,
the Golden Bachelor can lead in the Paradise, can lead
into the Bachelor, can lead in the Bachelor app and
this all works. I think the Bachelor ratings this year,
(42:13):
and I know we talk about ratings and people hate
it at times, but I do believe the Bachelor ratings
this year are going to play a big role. And
if they do the Golden Show or not, if the
Bachelor ratings are down at all, they say, no, we can't,
it's going to eat it up. If it's up, they're saying, yes,
this is great.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
And I think it's because we know, after like almost
a decade and all this, like we get them, we
get the creators of the show. But what doesn't make
sense is that there's so many other dating shows these days,
way more and on a whole bunch of different platforms
than at the beginning of all this, when Bachelor ruled.
And now Bachelor doesn't like necessarily rule because there's Love
(42:53):
is Blind and there's Love Island and stuff, but they
and they just tapped into a whole new breed of show.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
So shouldn't they just run with that.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Now they're going to risk other people getting that idea
and not being one of the originals and having somebody
else steal the idea.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
And it's just like, well, you know, sometimes things.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Need to evolve, and I don't want to see the
Bachelor Bachelor and Paradise go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
You know, That's what a heart and sole thing for me.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
But like, if we have to evolve, then like as
mine as we'll be the leaders in it.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
I would agree with you. I don't know if that's
the way ABC necessarily or Warner thinks about this. I
could be completely wrong. I could be I'm not saying
this is my theory and it's my concern because I've
loved watching The Golden Show. It's brought me back to
having a lot of fun watching the show and learning
from these contestants and following their stories and wanting to
(43:49):
be involved in their love stories and see them find success.
It's done everything for me that the show did for me,
you know, ten years ago. But this is my theory.
I could be so wrong on it.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
I just think that actually what you're saying thought about,
but it sort of makes sense.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah, I mean how does joe I mean, I think
the big question comes down to how in the world
does Joey live up to being Gary? And because it is,
you can't but it happens every season. We've seen it, right,
How does how does Colton live up to Nick File?
How does Matt James live up to you know, Colton
or whoever was before him? You know, how do I
(44:27):
live up to Chris? Souls like it is a comparison
where they always are comparing you, like, oh I missed
last season. You know, the fans say that, and oh
I'm tuning out because this person isn't as interesting. It
happens every year. So all right, well we got to
let you go, and as thanks for coming on again.
We really appreciate you. And well, hey, let's see if
(44:47):
it's Leslie or Trees' towards the end.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
Thank you, bye, thank you bye.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
This has been another almost famous podcast. Again. We're gonna
ben back next week breaking down more episodes because we
have a couple of weeks left. We have three weeks
left to the Golden Bachelor, we have some Paradise left,
we have some interviews on Slate. The headlines will never stop.
We are just keeping going, and we're keeping going because
it's an exciting time in Bachelor Nation and we should
all be excited about it. But until next week, I've
(45:15):
been Been, I've been Ashley.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hey, guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Today we're breaking down the Golden Bachelor the women Tell
All episode, which who It was a shocking shocking episode
for me, not so much for Ben apparently, but let's
let's let's go through that same It was.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Ben Theresa this entire time, and I.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Was switched last week?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah you did? You did?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I said, Hey, he said stuff to Faith that he
didn't say to Teresa. I don't think I can put
my eggs in Teresa's basket. Now. I am a Faith guy,
I'm a Leslie guy, and we're running with this. However, ultimately,
you know what, Hindsight's twenty twenty guess who's right? I
was right right not last week, guys.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I said it on my Instagram.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I felt like this was a two thousand and aughts
episode of American Idol, like a Chris Daughtry elimination to me, okay,
I was like, oh, taken aback, and you know, well,
I just I want answers from Gary. I didn't get
enough last night. I want to know why he chose
Theresa over Faith who he announced his love for But first,
(01:13):
before we get to that stuff, and we have another
Grandma on this week and we'll talk to her about
the faith elimination, let's talk about just the women not
really telling all because they are all very happy and
love each other and love Gary. Still there's no animosity
amongst any of these ladies, and they still all were like,
Gary would love to be with him.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yeah, have we ever seen in a tell like this? Never?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So it was really sweet.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
It was sweet. Now, a few things that we need
to touch on. One I think is the hot seat
with Joan and Joan it was a lot more emotional
than I expected. That one was probably the biggest surprise
other than face Obviously emotion coming out I didn't necessarily
get surprised by because I expected in a sense. But
Joan to me was sitting there. I mean she said
(02:04):
the words. There were days I drove home and thought
you might be sitting on my doorsteps. No. I think Joan,
if given the more appropriate situation, would have been like Gary,
like I want to make this work with you now,
and I think we can make it work. There has
been a turmoil in her soul. It felt like that
(02:26):
she was trying to express to him on stage.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
She wanted to be respectful at the same time. You
could tell she.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Did a great job at it, but it was deeper
than I expected.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, because didn't she say something like I don't want
to like she wanted to touch him too, just like
Faith did, but like she was like, oh, I think
she in her head was like, oh, you're probably you're
with somebody, so I want to respect her.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, this is really sad.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Her daughter had bad case of Postparwerm depression, so she
had to go home after a one on one with him, and.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Man, it's just the timing.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
And she says when asked by Jesse whether or not
she thinks it could have been her in the end,
and she said yes, but we'll never know unless something happens,
which was Gary, we don't want this to happen, not
rooting for it. But if Gary doesn't end up with
this lady that he ends up with, I could see
(03:20):
him going to one of his past contestants, particularly Joan,
because he didn't get a full run with her.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Sure. Actually, I agree with what you're saying. I understand
what you're saying. I do think that's true. I think
there's only a few that he'd be interested in doing
that with U, and I think Joan is one of those.
I do still think Faith is one of those. I
think his second choice is going to be one of those. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
So those three basically.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah, because it felt like a lot of the Ellen
maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I feel like he wanted it to be with Ellen.
He wanted to feel it with Ellen.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
But he didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
It didn't compare to the other three, So I don't
think he would go to somebody who didn't.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Compare with And here's my also hope and thought actually
is because somebody mentioned it last night, the women now
are gonna start putting their foot forward to start to
date again. And I'm hoping all of them are now
dating with somebody and like finding out what they're into,
just like the show does for all of us. It
(04:21):
has right every year. It makes you see what you're
into more and less, what you're looking for more or less,
and you're more prepared to get out there and date
again after the show. And so I'm hoping these women
now are like, yeah, Gary, you're great, and I still
think you're awesome, but I am dating somebody new and
I'm excited about that. And so like, yes, we're not
(04:43):
going to work out. So I think I think I
do see what you're saying. There still is that care.
And I believe Gary when he says he loves these women.
I think he does. He says it to all of them,
I love you. I believe he feels it and means it.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
M h.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Not to switch to switch gears. I got to talk
about the Chris.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Jitter cameo, which was held by a phone by Jesse.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, I still think it's good. I still think it's
still great.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It was still great.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Made everybody really happy, of course Susan, mostly because you know,
Chris gave her a special shout out.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, and it was cool.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It was It was cool because, like you can tell,
she's genuinely been following this season. And you touch on
that in our on our Bachelor in Paradise episode, you
said you knew this was coming.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Who told you that? Well, I watched the episode already
it was coming. But that was my big teasers. Yes,
Chris Jitter does make a cameo. I think it's fantastic.
The you know we're we are going to bring in
Ninas here in just a second to kind of talk
about the emotions of the evening and everything going on
(05:52):
in the Bachelor or everything going on uh from this
tell all uh, but anything else before we bring her
on that you think is we're speaking of. I would
say the bloopers, Oh, okay, are really worth it.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, my sister loved the bloopers.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
She was like, this is the greatest real that they've
had in such a long time. It was the arts
that of course, yeah, so gas focused and then the
guacamole causing gas.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I don't know, it's the gak onions. Maybe they could
have been the onions in the golf. I still think
it's the meat balls. I would just say this and this.
You know, we we over the last few weeks have
been sick of talking about, you know, potty jokes like
it's they're not that funny and they're not that original.
Sam poop the Sam pooping on Paradise, Like we're sick
of it. However, I have to give credit where credit
(06:44):
is due. I've never heard a more confident and loud
and long fart than what we heard from Sondra, Like
I've never in my life, and I've been around a
lot of dudes, and I've been around a lot of
locker rooms. I've never ever, ever I thought it was fake.
I thought they were just like making a sound go
behind the scenes there right until you were saying and
(07:08):
I was like, that is amazing, Like it was the
perfect clip. She was like it was weird. Typically like
gas is not something that like is. It's a pretty
big turn off to me. For her, I was like, damn,
Like that was the most like confident, cool way of
I've ever seen anybody release themselves.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
It's so funny the difference between girls of that age
and girls of our age, Like eventually with your closest friends,
you're like, guys, leave the room. I just farted a
real bad fart, but like to show it off. I
don't know if we'll ever get there that maybe we will.
The other thing we need to talk about is sad,
(07:45):
very sad Ellen. Yeah, and Ellen, the loss of Ellen's
best friend who she signed her up for the show
or like in a you know, a pack they kind
of signed her up for the show, and.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So sad.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Her daughter was there though, and it was a really
beautiful moment where Ellen gets to see her daughter and
her daughter says some of the sweetest and kindest words
to her. Jesse crying, Yeah, Jesse got emotional. It is
very emotional, right, like there is there. It's the part
of this show that could be unique if seasons continue,
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would be as you know, we get older, death is
it happens every of us, all of us, Like it's
the one thing all of us have in common, and
it is going to be more prevalent because you know,
life goes on and disease happens, and these you know,
these people are having friendships with people who have been
through a lot of life. But it's not easy and
it's not it's not great. And I just wish her
(08:48):
friend could have seen this season play out like that.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I know that seems like she said, she goes, you
should go now we'll just watch it from different places.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Because they just dreamed about watching it together on the couch.
It was so sad.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
It was sad, and then it was a beautiful moment
with her daughter and her daughter being able to be
there and and speak those words to Ellen and just
you know, be a part of that that show. Last evening,
it was Ashley, you know, as we close up here,
it was the most fun tell all I have watched
in a long time I've said that, probably about this
whole season. Nobody's It's not a secret that I'm a
(09:34):
huge fan of The Golden I think there's so many
cool elements to it, and I think it's been a
really fun watch and a lot to learn as we've
seen how these women navigate with each other and how
supportive they are of each other, how fun they are
with each other, but then also seeing Gary's journey and
how he is so committed to finding love and at
this point he's really expressing love and I don't it's
(09:56):
you know, I hope that works out for him, But
it was the it was the best tell all that
I've seen a long time. I want it to be longer.
I want more episodes. I feel like these hour long
segments are just not enough for my viewing pleasure.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
This felt like enough to me, but every other episode
has definitely not. And before we get our Grandma on,
I just need to say Sandra is seventy five. She
looks twenty years younger.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Oh easily, I mean she easily mind blowing.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
She started the crowd with the calmed each other by
going love it.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Maybe that's the secret to anti aging. Yeah, no, yeah,
maybe it's the secret to anti aging. I don't know,
but she looks amazing. I mean, honestly, all of these
women didn't. I think the other part of this show
that they're gonna have a hard time with and how
is how in the world do they cast from hearing out?
Because this was a great cast, It was a great
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Golden I.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Actually have a lot of faith in them being able
to cast amazing women going forward.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
They just had to get it started and showed that, hey,
this could be a really good thing.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yes, they're could be so many applicants.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Because of so many applicants, that's true. Okay, hey, let's
bring in Inez. Let's talk about the rest of the
tell all. I know she has some strong thoughts. She
is a big fan of the Bachelor franchise, watches The
Bachelor Bachelor at Paradise Everything obviously the Golden because that's
why she's here. Let's bring her out. As every week
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we get the pleasure, the privilege, the honor of having
some incredible people join us to break down the Golden Bachelor.
This week we have Inez, who we know through one
of the producers at iHeart thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So last night was just a shocking episode.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
We've already recapped it, but we want to know all
your initial takeaways.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Okay, So I basically feel that this group of women
is just amazing. I think they're so the camaradity that
I see here, and they all stick together and they
all support each other. That is so unusual for me
because obviously I watch. The reason I'm even here is
(12:28):
because my kids know I'm like love The Bachelor, and
I watch all of the episodes, like way before this
even started, and I've never seen that in a group
of women before. Usually they're fighting each other, there are
all kinds of schemes. I mean, it's so this is
refreshing to see. So that's what I love about it.
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The parts that really I did not like is how
he's telling these the women that he was serious with,
that he was really in love with them. And when
you do that to an older woman. I know, the
other guys did that in the twenties and they're in
their thirties, you know, it's different when you do this
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to people that are like sixty five and older, it's
really intense. I mean, they take it very serious to
the point of devastation. I mean some of these think
about this. Some of these women don't even want to date.
They gave up on dating. Here they are on this show,
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and they are, you know, taking this guy for what
he says, even though in the back of them note
they're like, oh yeah, you know, maybe you know I'm
not the one. I know, there's other people there, there's
two others left or whatever. They are still taking it
very serious. You could see that last night.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Can you share what your relationship status is?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Well, now I'm married, but I was single for all
of my forties. I'm a mom. I have four kids
and I raised them while I was dating, and I was.
It was to the point where I was like a
serial dater. So I've gone through People used to joke,
(14:17):
oh my god, that's her. That's like her business. You know,
she works, but that's her business too, she dates. Like all,
I was like dating three people at the same time,
all through my voice. Well that's why I was work.
But it was fun. I enjoyed it. But I can
feel what these women are going through because of it,
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and you can't. I just feel, you know, I know
Gary is new at this, but yeah, you can't say
that to a woman. That's it's really, you know, I
love you? Like those words are intense, and they just
from the reaction. I was watching last night when the
women tell all, did you see how I think it
(15:02):
was Ellen? No, No, it was Faith? Which one? Yeah,
Faith is the one he he let go? Oh my god.
She would not let him go. She was like, did
you see how she was crying? That's what my point is.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, I found it interesting because amongst our age group,
when they get dumped, they get a little bit more
like I don't even want to touch you, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
And she still agree of touching him.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Oh yeah, And that's my point. It just that was
a bad part of the show, you know, and I
think he's learned from that. I'm hoping at this point
doesn't matter. But yeah, you're just not a good thing
to say that, and of course they set it back
because they really meant it.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
So three things I want to touch on with you
and knows that you just mentioned three separate topics because
I think all of them are important. We didn't talk
about him really during our breakdown. The first one is
you started out saying, hey, these women are very supportive
of each other. It's refreshing. I enjoy it, that's your opinion.
Do you also feel like this is what the fan
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base for The Bachelor has been craving, is to go
back away from drama and more into this just human
stories connecting with each other, trying to figure it out.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
I don't you know. That's a really good question. I
think it is refreshing. Yeah, for a certain age group. Okay,
only for a certain age group, and that's obviously the
older age group. But I personally, and I'm in that
age group, and I have to tell you, I personally
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enjoy watching The Bachelor when they're twenties, twenties and thirties.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
For me, is it more comedic, like does it make
you laugh and kind of be like, oh, you'll learn
one day? Or is it Are you as gripped and
as emotional watching that as you are with the Golden Bachelor?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (17:00):
I'm not as emotional. It depends on the person. Like
I was emotional for some of the girls when they
were in their twenties and stuff because I couldn't believe
they were doing what they were doing. And I'm like, no,
don't do this, you know, stuff like that. But yeah,
I mean, it's just more entertaining I for the older,
(17:20):
you know people, it's more it's more realistic in a way,
but it's more corny, I guess that's the best way
to put it. Sort of weird in corny, like almost
like I feel like I'm watching my parents make out
and I'm like, oh, no, you don't want to go there, no, no, no, no,
(17:43):
So it's more I'm like, yeah, it's just weird.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I got that during the bloopers. Especially the bloopers really
highlighted just how real and authentic and how kind of
untamed all of them are, Like they just don't care
as much. So yeah, they're like letting out gas on camera,
which is something that like you know, isn't probably very
familiar to those that are on The Bachelor and Bachelorette.
(18:10):
And then you know they're flashing each other and like
they know there's cameras all around, and you know, they
don't care as much like they do have that. Okay,
the second thing I want to talk to you about was
you mentioned the villains kind of how the supportive of
each other. You know, we don't really have a villain
from this season, and I think that was a unique
thing about the tell all is we saw how all
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of them now are approaching each other after the show
and supporting each other and laughing at each other. And
so we don't have that villain coming off this season.
In fact, we have some characters that may be disrupted,
Kathy being one of those. However, there isn't a villain
that everybody's attacking. And I enjoyed that about to tell all,
(18:55):
I'm sick of Tellaw's that personally where it's just yelling
and screaming and fighting and nothing really gets accomplished. This
felt different.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Well, yeah, it's more warm and cozy, and like I
said before, they really are supportive of each other and
it's wonderful to see that. But it depends who you are.
I mean, sometimes you love that drama and you can't wait.
I mean, I think that's why ABC wants to have
someone that stirs the pot, because it makes it the
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show more exciting.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Does it also makes me feel sick you're watching it though.
It makes me feel because we come on the show,
we come on the podcast Almost Famous podcast and we
have you know, we break down the episodes and it
feels weird to be so critical of somebody. It's not
something that you know, we enjoy doing It does at
times bring some excitement. Yes, it brings a topic that's
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talk about. It brings confusion and like you know, keeps
it stays in your mind until the next week. But
it's not a part of humanity diet I enjoy. I
don't think I know Ashley does enjoy it, Like we
don't enjoy sitting here being like that person is psycho
like they are making the weirdest decisions.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Well, yeah, you don't want to be attacked. Nobody likes
to be attacked in front of all these people, of course,
but you know they're coming on the show. They know
that's what's going to happen is when they go to
a Tello.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah, let's just talk about like the shocking moment at
the end of the episode find out that Faith has
gotten out. Bet and I have already given our initial dots,
but like, were you just like gasping because I I
was just kind of like this episode was just running
along and I'm like, h on my phone because you know,
it's a great it's a recab and I was like
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this Rose ceremony, I know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Like this is the most obvious Rose ceremony of all time.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
And then I'm just like and then he goes Teresa,
and I go, I was like, you mean Teresa, you're pulling?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Are you pulling Teresa to say goodbye to her privately?
Speaker 5 (21:02):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
The roads is going to Teresa.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
That's exactly That's exactly how I felt. What Wait a minute,
are you sure you said that? Are you sure you
said that name? Wait a minute, did you make a mistake?
Because that's I think it was a shock for everybody.
It was so weird. So now I'm thinking, I don't know.
(21:27):
I feel like I already know who's going to pick.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
But then again, the spoilers or because he told us
by picking, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
My kids look at the spoilers. I never do because
I just want to know at the end.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
But yeah, now it's really obvious who he's picking, Yes, Leslie.
Well yeah, but then again, I said with certainty last
week it was Faith, So who the hell knows?
Speaker 5 (21:55):
No, I really that's what I think. I think it's
going to be Leslie.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
For the Fantasy Suites really mixed things up, which obviously
are a big training point.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Ben, I can't believe, like I can't.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I feel like you looked at spoilers, thinking that Theresa
was going further than I never.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Look at spoilers, Ashley. I barely have enough time to
watch an episode. I do not dig deep into what's
happening in the forecast for the season.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, okay, I thought that, like maybe Garyett told you
or something.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
No, I don't think they would allow that. But I
have felt like it's Teresa for a long time and
I've stuck to that, and Ashley knows that. And then
last week I started to question myself, and this week
I'm right back on the Teresa train. I'm like this kid.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
He didn't say I love you back to Teresa, but
did say it to Faith, actually initiated it to Faith.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
That was mind blowing.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Okay, so that brings me my third point that I
wanted to talk to you about.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
But he also said it to Leslie.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, I know, but but like he didn't say to Teresa.
My thought is that perhaps we saw it in order. No, no, no, yeah,
So Teresa's hometown probably did really go first, and he
wasn't sure he was going to say I love you,
you know what I mean. And then once he was
with the other two ladies, who was like, ah, let's
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say I love you.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Yeah, but I think he really meant you know, he's
not just saying it, and the way he actually really
means it.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Oh yeah, I know, I think that I meant like
verbalizing it. He's like, okay, like I'll vitilize it now.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Okay. So here's my third point that I wanted to
talk to about. And I think that's a great spot
for us to sit until we have to say goodbye
to you. Is the love use I love yous. That's
a big deal to you, obviously, and as like it's
a big deal to us, it's a big deal to Gary,
and it's a big deal to these women. And so
it's a very interesting thing to speak about now because
he did verbalize these I do think he meant that.
(23:49):
I do think he meant them when he said it.
Uh So we have a we have a weird situation
going on right. Gary hasn't dated in a long time,
his heart has not been opened up to anybody else
in a long time, and so now he's feeling these feels.
Maybe it's love, Maybe he's just very much liking somebody
(24:10):
more than he has in a while. But he says
it and you have already said you had a problem
with this, that you don't think it's fair that he's
saying it again, maybe to them, like reverbalizing this. I'm wondering,
because you know, I've been in a similar situation. If
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we're giving Gary a little bit of the benefit of
the doubt here, I'm wondering if he's reinforcing this into
in faith, especially because he wants her to know that
she is lovable and that he did get there with her,
and that he still cares so much for her, and
he's so appreciative for her, and he personally in his
mind right now, is thinking the best way to do
this is to make sure she knows that I wasn't lying,
(24:52):
that I wasn't confused, that I was torn apart and
I had to send her home because I had two
other women there that I think I'm in love with more.
And he thought this was actually the kind way to
do it.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Wait, how is a kind.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Because he's he's giving he's giving her that boost of
confidence he thinks his mind closure to say, hey, this
wasn't fake, like this was not a waste of your time.
You are you are able to be loved. I loved you.
I still love you, I still care about you. You're
just not the person I'm going to be with in
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the end, in any other life, any other situation. Faith,
maybe he's saying you and I we could have made
this thing work, but not here.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Well, what's really weird is that, like he didn't give.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Any closure to me as a viewer as to why
he dumped her when she sat next to him on
the tell All, we didn't get any reasoning. I was
getting so many dms saying that he that he must
have just kept thinking, like, she doesn't want to move
to Indiana, she doesn't want to live with that like house.
She wants to be with her family, and maybe that
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was the number one reason. But at least can I
hear that?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Can she hear that?
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Well? Who knows how she's feeling after this. I mean,
at least he was there and reiterated, you know, just
like what you said before, it's not your we're just
not the right fit. But I do love you as
a person. Sure, so I don't know. Hopefully, you know,
obviously she has to go on. She's she's going to
(26:26):
go on, and she knows that there's always going to
be this love between them like a you know, good friend.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I mean, he definitely, and I think it's a part
of the Golden Bachelor. It's going to be very interesting
if they do another season, which I sure hope they do.
You know, even with Don, Like we see Don sitting there,
and I feel like Don's feelings were very similar to face, like, hey,
I left you, and I'm really sad, and I think
this could have been something special. Now right, let me
play out a scenario here, And I have no clue
(26:53):
if it's true. I have no clue if this is
a part of it. But what if what if Gary
can't give faith the closure because he's physically more attracted
to or the physical chemistry is better with Leslie and
Teresa and saying that on stage and saying that to
her is very harmful and very hurtful and not something
you want to say, even though he thinks she's beautiful,
(27:15):
even though he's like, you are gorgeous. Again, in any
other life, we could have made sense. But I have
two women here that my physical chemistry is better with,
and I also care about them a lot, and so
I had to come down to that, Like that was
my final decision maker. Like he can't say that.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
All right, you're not gonna of course not so you're right,
that could be the reason, but we don't know. But yeah,
that might be the reason. I make that is a
very good point. You're not gonna, you know, hurt somebody
by saying that, But yeah, that's a good point. I
like that.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Would that have helped Ashley? Like, you're you're quiet here,
and I'm assuming you're still upset that you don't know
why Faith went home.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I don't I don't I don't believe that to be
the truth either, because I just think that he was
very attracted to her. Sure, I honestly, if I had
heard like it was where I lived, I'd be like,
I can live with that.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Yeah, but what if that's not true. What I'm saying
is she could have said, Gary, we never really discussed it,
and I would have been willing to give up everything
for you, like she could have responded like down the couch,
and then he sitting here going, uh, yeah, you're right,
I don't really have I don't know, I know, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I feel like you can always say the truth, but
in a kind way, well, yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
No, you can't say it's a physical thing. You cannot.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I don't think that's what it is, though I'm so
convinced that that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Only thing I can think of it is, it's the
only thing I can think of.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
But like, I'm sorry because like, as like I know
that I'm not Gary, but like I found her to
be the most attractive of all three left, so I
can't imagine thought otherwise.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
My beauty isn't the eye of the older I know.
I mean, you're not the guy and a guy A
lot of them, honestly, and that a lot of guys
will never tell you that that was the reason we
just didn't have a good physical connection. But really that
is the reason they're never gonna you'll never know.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
I mean, he's had she got the first impression Rose.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
He was obviously very attracted to her.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Sure, but he's had more intimate moments with the other two.
I mean, we've seen kind of the making out, as
we've said, and we've seen that. Like, but you know,
I'm with you. You can make the argument backwards where
you're like, hey, yeah, but when he kissed her in
front of the whole family, which is a which was
probably what I would say would be Gary's biggest mistake
of the season, Like that is something that even me,
(29:42):
in all of my complexities and issues, would have never done.
Like that was a big deal.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Well, he apologized, He apologized.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
For that, Yeah he did. He said that's what he
felt most guilty about.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Yeah he should, because I think that's a big deal
and it gave a lot of hope in to the family,
and the family thought they were witnessing a moment very
special and intimate and one that they're gonna be able
to celebrate. I do think that was That was the
moment where I turned away from Teresa and said, no,
faith is like faith is here, Leslie's already gone the rose.
I'm over it all right. As we close up here
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and as thoughts on the rest of the season, obviously
you still think Leslie is going to be picked? Yeah
do you? I guess kind of? You know you're married,
but you have dated in the past. With with this
intimacy coming up and the fantasy suites, is that going
to be a kind of an awkward time for them?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
You know?
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Again, I think we just need to say it, because
it's true. Gary hasn't dated in a long time, right,
A lot of these women haven't dated in a long time.
Being alone with somebody in a room with the connotation
that you're going to get physically intimate. Whatever that means
to you and whatever boundaries you set for that is
going to be something unique and different to each person.
Now from your perspective, with your friendships and your personal life,
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how do you think that will play out? You know,
behind closed doors.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
I think they're just gonna it all depends on the
again what you said before, the chemistry. I mean, if
he has a lot of chemistry with Leslie, which I
think he does, I mean, who knows, it could get
very intimate or it depends on both of them what
(31:37):
they want. I mean a lot of people think about, well,
you know, I don't know, there's still another woman left.
I'm not going to go there. Let's just have you know,
cuddle or whatever and we'll have great discussions all night
or whatever they want to do. But they're just not
going to go there to that place of being totally
(31:59):
you know, intimate. But it depends on both of them
and what there is.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
I'm going to come out and say it, okay, he well,
Leslie asked when the last time he had sexes, So like,
maybe he'll be honest, maybe he'll say it, Maybe.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
He'll say, like we could talk about that behind closed
doors whatever. But let's just pretend it's his wife and.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
That means that he's Well, they met in high school too.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
What if it was like the only woman he's ever
slept with, And it's like, could you imagine going in
and doing that with somebody else at that age?
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I don't know. I can't.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I can't imagine, Like I don't, I don't like I
this would be a big roadblock for me, to be honest.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
First of all, I think Leslie is the one that
would initiate it all. Oh, he's totally physical and yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
She's got a lot of sexuality.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Yeah, and not only that, that's what she does for
a living. Isn't she a exercise.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
She's a yoga and short. Yeah, so she's like her
whole it's her body. She's very in tune with her body.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
So she's the one. I don't think that would be
an issue for her because of.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Not her, I'm talking about Gary.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I'm saying if the woman is, it's not an issue
for the woman. She would like coach him along. I'm
not kidding, she would be.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
The I mean emotional, I mean emotional and physically.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
I mean, here's the thing. We're talking about people who
have been in relationship and they know. Now you know,
it's different actually than sex on The Bachelor and Bachelorette
because sometimes there you're so horned up over after three months.
You guys are just wanting to get released and like
it's a it's like a it's like a college hookup.
It's like a, Hey, let's just you know, you're beautiful,
(33:44):
I'm you know, ready, let's just go after it. But here,
I do think it will be different because once you
experience sex within a relationship, there is that intimacy, There
is the ability to coach, to verbalize, to talk about, Hey,
this is what I like, this is what I want,
this is what I need. And yes, it's gonna get
awkward at times because you guys are trying new things,
(34:07):
You're experiencing new you know, new environments with new people.
I think on this show, out of any show we've
seen up to this point in the twenty plus seasons,
there is a level of intimacy and vulnerability and connection
that will exist within these relationships. That we've never seen
before because it's not new to them. Like sex no
(34:27):
longer means a hookup and a release necessarily. Maybe it
does at times, you know, marriage still has that. But
also they're like, I know what it feels like to
be in a loving, committed sexual relationship, and I think
that's what they're bringing to the table. So I don't
know if they're gonna do it or not, but I
do believe Gary and these women are prepared to say, yeah,
(34:47):
I'm not comfortable doing that in the fantasy suites, or
I am comfortable doing that, and then once they are,
they can say, and this is what it's you know,
what can it look like with you?
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I mean that like I would feel like a traitor
to my late's wife.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Definitely.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
This would be the moment where I'd be like, I'm
moving on officially.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
That is that weird that that.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Would might not be the right word I would use,
because I think I get what you're saying. There's a
there's like a guilt, maybe the guilt thank you.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, I was gonna say guilt. I wasn't sure what
the right word was, but I would feel guilty in the.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Moment, sure, But you got to get over it, Like, yeah, okay,
what do you think.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
I mean now at this point, I think the guilt
would be gone. I mean, look, he's gone through all
of this dating process already. They've been you know, she
has passed away for so many years already, and he's yeah,
I maybe a tiny bit he might be thinking about it,
but no, when you have who's so into you, like
(35:49):
Leslie is so into him, I think the rest would
be very comfortable for him. They decided to do.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
That, okay.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
And the point that we talked about two weeks ago,
Ashley and I think we saw it and it might
be an underspoken point that the show I believe maybe
missed communicating because they tried to bring out emotion at
times some comedy at times also communicate the relationships. Gary's
journey through this has been really spectacular because week one
(36:21):
through two he couldn't bring up his late wife without crying,
He could not emotionally speak about her without getting teary
eyed and without like breaking down. Now, after a few
weeks and after kind of getting his foot back in
the water and saying, hey, I'm gonna start dating again,
I'm gonna start exploring this he is a lot more
confident speaking about his late wife. He speaks about her
(36:42):
with love and admiration, but isn't as emotional because I
think in Gary's journey, he at some point during this season,
and I bet if you asked him personally, there was
a point where he said, wait, I've moved on, Like
I'm I still care and I still love and I
still remember, but my heart is ready for something new.
(37:04):
So I don't know if, like Gary, if that's really
even on his mind at this point. I think he's
so focused on maybe I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Yeah, I remember him saying something like that, Oh well
he did.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
He does. He's pretty honest about.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Being his feelings. He's down.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Oh I was gonna say, like he almost seems like
he's ready to get sexy.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I think he said something along those lines where he
was like, it's gonna get it might get hot, and
like right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I mean, I don't know if I want to think
about that, but I'm not ready. I'm not ready for
like the intimacy details here, Like I've had a hard
enough time watching him make out. I'm not ready for
I'm not ready for the hot and steamy.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I think both, but like to put it out there,
I do think both ladies are going to be into
using the fantasy suite in the way that the Fantasy
Suite is just.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Sure, sure well, and as it sure has been awesome
having you. You've been absolutely incredible to have here. I
really appreciate you coming on and just talking through this
with us. Obviously, we were excited, as you know co hosts,
to get to this point in the season because we
knew it would get there the conversations would get more serious,
(38:23):
like we would go away from like who's he gonna
pick and who's he dating? And what do you think
to hey, how does this play out in a fantasy suite?
How does this play out emotional? Emotionally? As Faith now
tries to move on from this incredible love and incredible
person that she had in her life, and it is
it does make our conversations more interesting. And you stepped
up today and walk through it with us, so so
(38:44):
thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
I have a question, though, do you think they are
gonna pick bachelorette?
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Now?
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Aren't they the Golden Bachelorette?
Speaker 4 (38:51):
I have a feeling they're not.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Wait, okay, you would think so, but they will not
be announcing it. No way, there's no way that nothing's
been green Land or anything like that. But they certainly
get gave faith the Bachelorette.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Edit. For me, I think everybody got the Bachelorette it.
I could see every single woman that came into this
house being the next Bachelorette on this show and it
being great. Here's my concern. I have this theory. I've
never said it publicly, but I have a theory that
there will never be another Golden Show.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
He sort of, he was. He told us about this
a little bit last week.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
He said that they haven't they've decided, they still haven't
made a decision about it. And Ben now is elaborating
on that theory and saying that there's not ever going
to be one.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
And why is that?
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Ben?
Speaker 4 (39:36):
I believe, in my heart of hearts that there's not
going to be another Golden Show for a long time.
And here's why I think it's going to play out.
This show is way too big of a success and
it will it is eating It's going to eat up
the Bachelor and Bachelorette, just like it's kind of eating
up Paradise. Now, let me finish let me let me finish.
(39:57):
It's eating up Paradise. The ratings are down for Paradise.
I believe The Bachelor is going to have a hard
time living up to what the Golden Bachelor was and
people are going to get sick of that and want
the Golden Bachelor again. And the show isn't ready to
put all their eggs in the Golden basket yet because
it's not what their franchise is built on. And so
what I think is going to happen is they're going
(40:19):
to pause the Golden Show now, let the Bachelorette and
Bachelor play out like it is for the next few years,
in a sense, die off, and then they'll bring back
the Golden to try to get another five to seven
year stint out of it, and then that makes the
show a thirty year show instead of you know, all
of this trying to be done at once. That's my theory.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Interesting.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
I mean, how how here's my question to lead the
audience with, and you I nez with, how in the
world does Joey's I mean, Joey's probably going to be great.
How in the world does he follow up Gary? He
can't like he just it is an impossible situation for me.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
Well, no, but it's such a different demographic. It's such
a different scene. It's so different. You're talking about twenty
year old thirty year olds versus you know, sixty and
seventy year old, So there's such a different audience.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
I think it's the same viewing audience.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
It is the same. I think it's the same viewing
audience too. I bet you they got up. They got
some more older viewers, But for the most part, I
do think that the age range is the same. I
see what Ben is talking about. Yeah, it's not like
the Golden Bachelor has abandoned its young audience, do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Like they like, any twenty.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Five to forty five year old who watches The Bachelor
is also watching the Golden Bachelor, So not they're keeping
their core audience and maybe gaining some older But in
the numbers numbers game, you want to be able to
you want to have that like twenty five to fifty
ish range because that's like where the money grab is.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Right.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
I would say this though, and I mean, I think
here's the business model for this, right. If Paradise's ratings
were showing to be very good, and high. I think
then all of this plays together well and they say, Okay,
the Golden Bachelor can lead in the Paradise, can lead
into the Bachelor, can lead in the Bachelor app and
this all works. I think the Bachelor ratings this year,
(42:13):
and I know we talk about ratings and people hate
it at times, but I do believe the Bachelor ratings
this year are going to play a big role. And
if they do the Golden Show or not, if the
Bachelor ratings are down at all, they say, no, we can't,
it's going to eat it up. If it's up, they're saying, yes,
this is great.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
And I think it's because we know, after like almost
a decade and all this, like we get them, we
get the creators of the show. But what doesn't make
sense is that there's so many other dating shows these days,
way more and on a whole bunch of different platforms
than at the beginning of all this, when Bachelor ruled.
And now Bachelor doesn't like necessarily rule because there's Love
(42:53):
is Blind and there's Love Island and stuff, but they
and they just tapped into a whole new breed of show.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
So shouldn't they just run with that.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Now they're going to risk other people getting that idea
and not being one of the originals and having somebody
else steal the idea.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
And it's just like, well, you know, sometimes things.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Need to evolve, and I don't want to see the
Bachelor Bachelor and Paradise go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
You know, That's what a heart and sole thing for me.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
But like, if we have to evolve, then like as
mine as we'll be the leaders in it.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
I would agree with you. I don't know if that's
the way ABC necessarily or Warner thinks about this. I
could be completely wrong. I could be I'm not saying
this is my theory and it's my concern because I've
loved watching The Golden Show. It's brought me back to
having a lot of fun watching the show and learning
from these contestants and following their stories and wanting to
(43:49):
be involved in their love stories and see them find success.
It's done everything for me that the show did for me,
you know, ten years ago. But this is my theory.
I could be so wrong on it.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
I just think that actually what you're saying thought about,
but it sort of makes sense.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah, I mean how does joe I mean, I think
the big question comes down to how in the world
does Joey live up to being Gary? And because it is,
you can't but it happens every season. We've seen it, right,
How does how does Colton live up to Nick File?
How does Matt James live up to you know, Colton
or whoever was before him? You know, how do I
(44:27):
live up to Chris? Souls like it is a comparison
where they always are comparing you, like, oh I missed
last season. You know, the fans say that, and oh
I'm tuning out because this person isn't as interesting. It
happens every year. So all right, well we got to
let you go, and as thanks for coming on again.
We really appreciate you. And well, hey, let's see if
(44:47):
it's Leslie or Trees' towards the end.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
Thank you, bye, thank you bye.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
This has been another almost famous podcast. Again. We're gonna
ben back next week breaking down more episodes because we
have a couple of weeks left. We have three weeks
left to the Golden Bachelor, we have some Paradise left,
we have some interviews on Slate. The headlines will never stop.
We are just keeping going, and we're keeping going because
it's an exciting time in Bachelor Nation and we should
all be excited about it. But until next week, I've
(45:15):
been Been, I've been Ashley.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
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