March 25, 2025 • 31 mins
We’ve made it to the finale for Grant Ellis’ season of The Bachelor! Ben and Ashley break down the dramatic (and lengthy) conclusion to Grant’s season, including every tear that wasn’t shed!
There’s no Bachelorette this year, but Ben and Ashley believe the perfect lead was hiding in plain sight in Grant’s cast all along! Should Litia go to Paradise??
Plus, Ben reveals why he was almost involved in the finale for one of his most controversial moments!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with on our radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hello, Ben, Welcome to our recap episode of Grand Season.
I'm kind of happy it's over. I felt nothing then.
I've never felt so little during a season, during a finale,
during a proposal. I want all your thoughts about it.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Okay, I don't disagree with you completely on the season itself.
I don't want to completely poop poo the season. However,
it's hard not to. There's a few things that maybe
we'll talk about as we recap the finale that stood
out to us this season, just some moments. I think
you're in the majority. A lot of people on social
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media are talking about kind of how this season felt
like it fell short at every angle except for the finale.
It gave us a little entertainment. There were some highlight
standout moments that, yes, maybe weren't the love story that
we all celebrated him. We're celebrating the love story, But
the moments that stand out from the finale are more
of the confrontations.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, maybe I felt something I felt proud of.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, fair enough. We'll talk about the finale here. It
did feel like from our listeners and also from social
media that people did enjoy the finale. If anything, they
were glad they watched it. However, the consensus is, let's
not do these what was this? Four hours long? Three
(01:35):
hours long?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Three hours long? We're so over the three hour long finale,
especially when it's actually not as dramatic as they tease.
A lot of the times it lives up to the
te's this season, I don't think that like the whole
what's he gonna do in the last thirty minutes before
having to head to the car.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
He's gonna break up with somebody? Guess all that, guys.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
He didn't even show that much turmoil. He didn't even cry.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I think, Ashley, we've talked about it before. It is
one of one of our critiques that's been consistent for
the last few seasons. They've got to be very careful
teasing things and saying things to the audience, especially when
it comes from the host that end up not being
true because they lose the viewers trust. This is not
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a historic ending. This was nothing. If you break it
down past all the stuff, it wasn't that different than
any other season we've had when it comes to how
a season ends. I think they have to be very
careful when Jesse says this is the most historic ending
or this is a historic moment in the franchise for
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it not being now, we just go, well, what was it?
What happened?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, what happened is he made a decision and he
said thanks to Letia that did not allow with the
decision that he made. That is something we'll get into
a second. But I do want to talk about how
they invited you to be part of this live three
hour Finally. You were supposed to be on the panel.
You were supposed to be in the place of either
Gary Charity or Clayton because all of them basically said
(03:16):
I love you to multiple people. You were apparently the
og of this, that's what they wanted to do on
the panel. You decided not to go.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah, it's not they asked, And I'm always thankful when
the show asks for us to return. It's fun for
us to return a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Oh yeah, yeah. I don't know if I'll ever return again,
though it makes me feel sad. I can't figure out
a place where I would fit return. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, I'm kind of in the same spot. It's fun
to return. It's fun to see familiar faces. Is it's
exciting to be in that environment. It'd been great to
meet Grant in person, and you know, hopefully his choice
that we'll get to in just a bit. But talking
about saying I love you to two people, it just
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doesn't feel like it's a part of my life anymore.
And it's also a moment that I feel like, why
am I going to talk about it if the show's
never owned up to that it happens all the time,
and they just showed it for my season and made
it a big deal, and it was. It was a
huge deal. It was accurate to my story. I'm not
mad about the editing part of it, but the way
(04:23):
the show just kind of threw me out there and said, Okay,
now go deal with this. This is so weird and
unexpected and they've never really like talked about it and
since then when it happens every season now. But I'm
not going to go on a panel and talk about
how I fell in love with two people because I
am married with a child. I am so happy with that.
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Lauren is married with a child, Jojo is married and thriving.
Like nobody wants to see me revisit this moment and
to see a clip played and to have me have
to explain it. I don't even remember really why I
said what I said.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Mm hmm, totally. Now do you believe I don't even
believe that possibly Grant was in love with two people
because the way that he hurt Letia. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
That's long. I mean, that's a big question. Actually are
you asking me to answer that? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I don't know, because okay, this is a difference. Sorry
to bring you into this, but.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
You can bring No. Here's the deal. You can bring
me into it. You and I talk every week about
the show and our experiences. You can bring me into it.
I am not going to get a phone call for
the first time in like years, and the phone call
is like, hey, instead of like bringing you back to
talk about, you know, your time on the show and
what maybe you meant to the show and all the
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you know stuff that happens with the show, We're going
to bring you back to talk about the one moment
that was the most controversial for your season, and then
just like send you away. It's gonna be a great
five minute panel. You're gonna get out there. Everybody's going
to be sick of seeing you again, and then you're
gonna leave, and that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
People aren't sick of seeing you, Ben, they don't see
you enough. They are sick of seeing Gary. There, I
said it, that's fair. They're they're honestly probably sick of
seeing Susan two. And Susan's gonna be on the new
Hulu show and then Susan's probably also gonna be on
a Bachelor in Paradise. Will around that in a second.
Maybe people just love seeing them though maybe I'm wrong. Okay,
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So the difference between you and Grant is that, like
you seemed like, oh shit, oh you have in love
with two people? Oh god, what am I gonna do?
How am I gonna navigate this to you? How Like
you were in a panic and you felt guilt and
you felt so much heaviness, and he was kind of like,
I love you, I love you. Oh okay, this.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I pick you. I pick you.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
You know, it wasn't what I thought I was gonna
do all season long, but I pick you, like it
was weird. And then like you know, he went into
a robot take mode when he dumbs Letia. He was
in like, Okay, well I lied to her a lot,
and now I'm going to press this button. I'm going
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to get through this breakup and then I'm going to
continue with life.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Is there a question there for me?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I guess the question was like, don't you feel the difference?
Didn't you feel the difference? Like? I really feel like
he was just he did he was so detached.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Okay, I can only yeah, I don't know Grant. I mean,
we watched Grant's moment. Does it feel more detached? Yes,
it does. It feels more detached than all these other
panelists who you know, fell in love with Muscile. People
are said they did, and I think two and I
want to give credit to Lauren and Jojo here. I'm
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going to try with what I'm saying. I don't know
if it's gonna make sense. I think Grant's final two
is great too. Well, don't know them that well because
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
This seems like I know Latia pretty darn well, Letia,
you do.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I do think that's fair. I will say this. I
think most people watching the season of show that I
was on as the lead, even if they didn't want
to believe it, it made sense to them on how
I got there. I think the season itself showed how
we got to that moment where all of a sudden,
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I was going, I don't know what to do, Like
this is the weirdest thing I've ever experienced. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
I think people thought it was outrageous that I said
that to two people. I get that. I understand that.
I'm not mad at people for feeling that way, but
I think deep down, when they thought about it, they're like,
it makes sense because then Jojo became so celebrated as
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the Bachelor and people fell in love with her. People
loved Lauren coming off the show, Like people were like,
I get why these two people have this big of
an impact and you have this kind of feelings for
them in your life. I don't think we had that
kind of journey with Grant to this point where we're like,
I get how he got here, Like, yeah, these two
women he definitely has a connection with. I think really
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we thought he has a connection with one of them
and that was the one he didn't choose, and now
we're surprised. So is it different?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I would say yes, I think he had a connection
with Juliana for sure. I know he had a connection
with Juliana, but like, I think Latia was always shown
as being his front runner, And that's.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
What I'm saying. But yeah, let me be clear. My
point was not that he doesn't have a connection with
the woman that he's now engaged to. We're happy for them, like,
we don't want to take that moment away from them.
I'm just saying the show, the story of the show
didn't show that connection like they showed Latia's, and so
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as a result, the viewers feel like we're playing catch
up at the very end instead of almost seeing this
story play out like like this season I was on
where they're like, I don't know what he's gonna do
because he's into both these people.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, it was almost as if they created the storyline
for TV so that there would be a twist at
the end.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yes, that's the That's a good better way to say
it than me. It's like they almost created this twist
so that we were surprised by who he chose and
we're like, wait, that now doesn't make any sense right totally.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
But I will say that the way Letia handled herself
with some like fun but yet some fun sass but
also lots of intelligence at the end between the you know,
the Ulter moment and then also when she confronts him
on the couch, like she was the bachelorette that I
feel like they've been searching for.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, and this is the season that they're not going
to have one, But it makes no sense to me
because she is the bachelorette they've been wanting for for
so long. This was her bachelorette moment, even though she knew,
especially during the live show, that there is no bachelor happening.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And here's an interesting thing. The viewer response typically when
somebody confronts another person on this show, or they get
angry or they get sassy, the viewer response is usually
mixed like oh, I'm so proud of them, or that
was unnecessary. Everybody was on her team here, Like everybody
was like, that was perfect, you did great. Let's go girl.
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Like also, her accent came out, which was amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, we heard a voice that we had never heard
of before, and I was here for it. You know
how we've been complaining for a couple of seasons that
we like felt like we didn't know the lead going
into their season. Well, we know her and I feel
attached to her.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I want to see her win. And you know what's great,
Ashley h I just I wish you were having a
Bachelor at season so bad because I think it would
bring a whole new life to the franchise. And it
feels like such an easy win for the show just
to be like, Okay, it's your story, now, let's go.
Let's like start next week and let's start filming like
they usually do the because what we know about her
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right now is she is passionate, she smart, was ready,
she knows what she wants, and she wants a family.
Like one of the biggest conversations this episode was about
how she's ready for kids. How cool is it for
you know, two parents here to be watching a full
season being like she's gonna get her love story, like
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she's gonna get her family. We're cheering for her to
find that person that fills that role in her life
and so that she can start this thing that she
dreams of, as she said from her heart, she's desiring kids.
I would be so all in on this. I would
be her biggest fan. I am her biggest fan. It
I don't want to take away and we're gonna get
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to you know, Grant Juliana here and what we hope
for them, what we feel for them. But let's be honest.
Latia is the star of this episode of the show,
of this season. Yeah, and I am upset, and I
hope this makes a headline. I am upset that she
is not our bachelorette.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Now, how much do we pay her to go to Paradise?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
None?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Wait, what do you mean you don't want her in Paradise.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I don't want to in Paradise.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think she's got to go to Paradise because we
want to see that right and we find it in
Paradise in front of our eyes. We want to see
it one way or the other. I think she I
think they're gonna I think they're gonna get her there.
I think she's going to She needs we need a
couple of stars there, so you'll be a big star there.
There's you know, there's what's his name, Jonathan from gen
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Zeason will be another star there. We have to just
pile Paradise. We have to pile up Paradise.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
That's my thought.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
But then we also have the Goldens and Paradise, which
is another thing. We'll talk about in a little bit,
but I do want to talk about the families for
a second. Just the family meet and greets really quick.
Grandsister said that she liked Latia since day one, and
you could tell that the mom preferred Latia over Juliana,
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which to me was a sign. It was like, oh,
this is what Ben always says. They always show the
parents preferring one over the other there, and it's usually
the one that doesn't win.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, from my personal experience,
I don't know how much i'd read into that, because
there's questions that they can set up to make it
seem that way. There's suns they can get out typically parents,
and it feels like what his you know, mom would do.
They pretty much they try their best to walk a
(14:53):
very middle line here because they know that the show
is going to try to push them in one direction
or the other. And they're like, I'm not giving you
that the show can get anything out of anything they
want it. It is weird. I mean, I think we
have to look at the storytelling piece here. It did
feel like they really pushed Latia on us this episode,
and it's weird to me that they did that. Without
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a Bachelorette season coming, because what is the benefit of
the show to not just make this a beautiful love
story between Juliana and Grant.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Good good point, because my biggest takeaway from this episode
was like, maybe we should do the finale in two parts.
If you guys are really into the whole three hour thing,
then maybe we do two hours on a Monday, and
then we do one hour on a Tuesday, and then
the two hour is you know, the finishing up of
the season and the dumping. Because when we got to
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the proposal, I was checked out. I didn't care. I
just cared about Letia and I was so angry for
her that I couldn't switch over to happiness for the
two of them that quickly. So I say, separate them
if you're gonna create stories like you just did.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
We talked about this with Andy and Charlene. Feel like,
to me, the story path was missing here. It didn't
give Grant and I want to be like as clear
as I possibly can be on this show because we're
wrapping up this season and we probably won't talk about
it too much again. We'll hopefully talk to Latia, maybe
Juliana and Grant, but it felt like they did Grant
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and Juliana a disservice this episode by focusing so much
on Latia and not allowing us the space to celebrate
this new relationship, because what we were doing as viewers
were like, I'm on Latia's team here, like I'm mad
at Grant right now, something obviously happened that changed his mind.
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Latia's telling us that he said all these things to
her to give her a clear like confidence that she
was going to be the one chosen at the end,
his mind switched. We don't know why, where, how, what happened?
We're lost here and now we're just meant to celebrate
this new relationship when we're still mad at Grant, And
it felt like they they gave him a disservice by
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not allowing the space or the clarity for how they like,
how we got to where we got to, Uh, even
if it was messy, even if it was ugly, even
if he made mistakes, even if Ashley he did the
coin flip.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
That wasn't shown, I would have felt more if we
had a coin flip. I feel like I needed the
coin flip.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
At least we know how he got to this decision.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I believe the coin flip happened, even more so now
because you always said it. They wouldn't show it. But
there felt like there was a big chunk of his
decision making process that was missing because he was like, oh,
I don't know what to do. My dad came in.
He told me to follow my heart, as if it's
like the most groundbreaking advice ever. Sorry, his dad is
so sweet. I love the moments with his dad.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah, but that's like revolutionary advice. His dad was probably like,
I don't know to do. Man, Like I don't go
follow your heart? Like this is weird, I know.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And then all of a sudden he saw the light.
I'm like, uh, I think you've recued. But we should
mention that the whole having a family thing seemed to
throw him off a lot more in this episode than
it ever had, and Latilla brought that up. She was like,
wait a second, now, this is something we talked about
this weeks ago and that didn't seem to be a thing.
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But he really seems to want a couple years of
chill before kids.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Okay, so here to clear all this up, a few
things that happened this episode. Here's the bat that happened
this episode. It was confusing. Yet again, I don't feel
like we got even a half of the real story
that occurred throughout this season. And it did feel like Grant,
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as we talked about last week, had things brought up
to him this season that were big deals and he
either chose not to listen to them. Hey Grant, I
want a family, Hey Grant, I want kids soon, and
he said that sounds awesome, like so good, let's do it,
like so happy with it. He either wasn't listening, or
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he wasn't realizing the seriousness of these desires being communicated,
or he did have a revolutionary moment at some point
to go, I actually don't want that right now. And
there's one person here that hasn't asked that of me,
and so that's where I'm leaning. Because the other person
seems really confident in what they want for the future
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and really passionate about what they want for the future.
But we don't get any of that as viewers. We
see none of it. And all I want, Ashley for
any season of The Bachelor is clarity, because I want
to sit with Grant if he made some mistakes along
the way, because we all get it. I also want
to celebrate Grant's great decisions like choosing somebody he loves
at the end, and they seem happy and ready to
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make this thing work. But instead I just felt like
a viewer who has watched all season and then watched
three hours of an episode and still felt confused and upset.
And I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
All Right, there's something we really have to dive into,
and this is Letia's points at the end of the show.
The fact that the night before he said I love you,
I love you, I love you. You can't wait to
get engaged tomorrow. That's lot. And then the FaceTime with
her mom earlier in the season where he goes, I
want to stop that. Of course they didn't air this,
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but this was a moment that didn't make air. Says
we can stop the show right now. I'm so certain
that Latia is going to be the one in the end.
Then there was things that she was respectful enough to
not bring up that were said in the fantasy suite,
which I am assuming was like you've been it, you
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are it, ala Ala, And that's why she says at
the end, when did it switch within the past twelve hours,
Like how did this happen? And then he was like,
what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Switch? Like I think he thought he was going to
get away with it, and he was like, crap, this
girl is coming after, Like she's calling me out and
I didn't realize she I didn't think she would.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Well, dude, what, Yeah, I don't know you or you
are different than I thought you were. As she said,
what do you think of this behavior?
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I mean, I don't want to crush any lead girl
or guy on this show that is conflicted. I get it.
It's hard. There's a lot to process emotions and feelings
do change on a dime because you're allowing them to
You're staying open to the very end until the moment
that you say, I know what I want to do.
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The interesting part about this season is it felt like
Grant was so conflicted that he really didn't know what
he wanted to do, But yet he was telling Letia
these He was giving her the reassurances and promises as
she mentioned, which makes me think that, you know what,
maybe the better path here Grant was to be honest
with these women and tell them I actually am like
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having a really hard time. You don't have to go
into details like, I'm having a real hard time because
I like you the same, It's just I'm having a
really hard time, Like this is this is messy, this
is confusing to me. But it felt like he was
kind of giving the sales pitch to the Latia during
Fantasy Sweet Week, during the facetimes and saying like, no,
it's you, you have nothing to worry about, and then
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blindsiding her at the end. And I don't know how
he goes from being so confident. That's what I mean.
That was my point earlier. What happened and why aren't
we seeing it? What happened Grant, that you were so
confident all season for weeks now and then all of
a sudden you switch on us, like we have no clue.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It could have been the greatest content ever to see
him like really having meltdowns over this, because the normal
person would have meltdowns over this, being like, oh my god,
I told her this. I can't believe I told her
mom that she was going to be the one that
we could stop the show. I can't believe I told
her these things. They've finished, and now I have to
tell her it's not her. He didn't even back back
off that last night by saying like, okay, that was
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his opening window to show some doubt, even though he
probably had just felt like he was so far in
that he couldn't back out then, but that had set
him up for even more of a of course, backlash
from her at the altar.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Okay, let's switch gears complete left turn here, because I
think the consensus from you and I here is this
season else not to hate on Grant, but this season
felt like we were playing catch up and reading through
the lines most of the time. There was the storytelling
piece of this felt like there were things missing, and
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we feel that even more now than ever when it
comes to the breakup at the very end and we're
sitting here going what just happened? Yet, there is a
new couple coming out of Bachelor Nation. It is Juliana
and Grant, and they do seem really happy together. Grant
is moving to Boston to be with her. We want
them to work, like, let's make that clear. The problem is,
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unlike a lot of seasons, we it does feel hard
to like celebrate it because I in my mind, I'm
still like he hasn't really chosen like I haven't. It
was hard for me to make sense of what was
happening during this episode and then get it summarized, yeah
with this like you know proposal at the end.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah. I was shocked to see them so happy on
the couch. I thought that this was bound to be
one of those couples that you were going to be like, Yeah,
we've had a hard time since the show wrapped. We did,
you know, we We've had conversations and happy a couple
of weekends that you know, had some tension, but we're
really trying to work through it. They seem all the
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way happy. So maybe she's just a very understanding woman,
or as they would like to say, well well woman, yes,
how many times do we use the damn word woman?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Last night? Holy mother of God, it must have been
a thing. The Uh, we're so happy for them, Like
I want to see them, I don't. I'm not putting
this on Grant and I'm definitely not putting this on Juliana.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
It felt like it wasn't their fault, that the messiness
or the confliction or the back and forth wasn't clearly shown.
It's not their fault at all. It didn't feel like
they get a fair shot. But now that they're together,
as we do with any couple, especially while other than
like Jen and Devin were like, gen, run as fast
(25:56):
as you possibly can, kid, we really want to see
them work. It's an amazing thing when this show works.
Love happens from the show it has worked before. And
so to Juliana and Grant, congratulations you did it. And Juliana,
you are going to have to be understanding in this moment.
It doesn't mean that it's gonna be forever. It doesn't
mean that this season of you getting compared to or
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getting talked about in the same breath as Latia is
gonna happen forever. You guys are gonna have the opportunity
to just like have a healthy, happy relationship, especially if
the two of you communicate with each other about what
happened at the end. And I'm sure you have. But
let's celebrate the two of them now, if anything, on
this podcast, because it didn't feel like we got the
chance to in a proper way last night.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Also, Letillo was like, girl, run, I know she did
say that, and I understand, like Juliana must have some
worries watching this back about his honesty or the fact
that she might be blindsided one day. I think there's
one thing to point out out more is towards the end,
he said, there's one relationship that's very serious, and then
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there's one relationship that's very fun. And I think that
what Grant was thinking of at the end was who
can I now date, not who can I marry?
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Well, they did talk about they're going to take things slow,
they're really happy. Let's let's hope that they work. Really
the star of last night, Letia said all the things
that everybody loved, they would love to see as the bachelor.
Att's it's unfortunate that she she's not going to get
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that opportunity. Juliana and Grant, we hope you guys move
on in engagement bliss and you date really well.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
We're sorry if we sound off. We're not hostile to
do your relationship goodness. No, we're a little weary of
Grant's decision making, but.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Ultimately we want to see them succeed. I mean, I
think I think what we're saying is I know what
we're saying is it didn't feel like they got a
fair shot, and it doesn't feel like this season at
times got a fair shot, and it didn't feel like
we got the full story and I don't know why.
I don't know what they were protecting us from. And
it could have been that Grant did to do a
coin flip at the end, and they're like, hey, we
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can't show that because that just doesn't look good. And
so none of this is going to make sense because
we really don't know, Like, we can't show how he
actually decided who he was going to propose to at
the end. That could be two and that's probably going
to be my theory until we talked him about it.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
My bad, though, I didn't mean decision making as far
as picking Juliana, Like I think that he actually did
make the best decision for himself picking Juliana. I just mean,
like his decision making and telling this litia and such
things along the way. Okay, now let's move on to
the big announcement that there will be the Golden Bachelor's
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in Bachelor and Paradise. Ben, what do you think? And
Jared was hot about it? He didn't I'm not like
this idea when it was announced.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's gonna get messy. I
hope this show doesn't try to cultivate relationships between the two,
Like I just if one happens, I guess like cool,
But like I hope this show doesn't produce their way
into a relationship here. I don't think that's gonna be
good for the viewership. I don't think it's what the
viewership is asking for. I don't think they've ever asked
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for this kind of for Susan to date, Jonathan, I
don't think that's been a thing that anybody's ever desired.
We'll see. I can see where it'll be entertaining, and
I can see where it could work with the wisdom
being shared and the advice and kind of having that
like wise counsel and a place to like, you know, obviously,
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like Susan has always been to when we go on
these trips. She's just a fun person to be around,
and she's always very like loving and caring and towards me.
So I could see where I'd be on the beach,
I'd be like, season, can we just like chill and talk,
or like, can you just help me figure this out?
I just hope there's not like relationships being formed or
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forced between the two groups.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Do you see it being separate like them? I hear
there's some rumors out there that they'll be happening at
different parts of a resort, or two different resorts, so
that it's more of like a flash to the young
kids flash to the older people. I think I'm more
down for that. I do worry that we'll again be
missing a lot of storyline from both camps if that's
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how they do it, unless they do, like you know what,
I be down for them doing two hours a week
of the younger people and then an hour a week
with the goldens, Like let's separate it like that.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
That'd be fun.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
And then like there could be some joint dates, not
like mixing of the ages, but like you know, the prom,
like they all show up to the prom together.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah. I think there's a lot of ideas. We don't
know a lot, but we do know they're going to
be there. It's official together on the beach. We'll be
excited for it. We'll be watching, We'll be breaking it
down here at the Almost Famous podcast as we always do.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yes, we will be all right. Well, guys, Ben has
got to go, but I will be doing e further
breakdown of this finale with a panel of some of
your favorites, So stay tuned for that, but until that time,
I've been Ashley.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
And I've been Ben. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hello, Ben, Welcome to our recap episode of Grand Season.
I'm kind of happy it's over. I felt nothing then.
I've never felt so little during a season, during a finale,
during a proposal. I want all your thoughts about it.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Okay, I don't disagree with you completely on the season itself.
I don't want to completely poop poo the season. However,
it's hard not to. There's a few things that maybe
we'll talk about as we recap the finale that stood
out to us this season, just some moments. I think
you're in the majority. A lot of people on social
(00:49):
media are talking about kind of how this season felt
like it fell short at every angle except for the finale.
It gave us a little entertainment. There were some highlight
standout moments that, yes, maybe weren't the love story that
we all celebrated him. We're celebrating the love story, But
the moments that stand out from the finale are more
of the confrontations.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, maybe I felt something I felt proud of.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, fair enough. We'll talk about the finale here. It
did feel like from our listeners and also from social
media that people did enjoy the finale. If anything, they
were glad they watched it. However, the consensus is, let's
not do these what was this? Four hours long? Three
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hours long?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Three hours long? We're so over the three hour long finale,
especially when it's actually not as dramatic as they tease.
A lot of the times it lives up to the
te's this season, I don't think that like the whole
what's he gonna do in the last thirty minutes before
having to head to the car.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
He's gonna break up with somebody? Guess all that, guys.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
He didn't even show that much turmoil. He didn't even cry.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I think, Ashley, we've talked about it before. It is
one of one of our critiques that's been consistent for
the last few seasons. They've got to be very careful
teasing things and saying things to the audience, especially when
it comes from the host that end up not being
true because they lose the viewers trust. This is not
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a historic ending. This was nothing. If you break it
down past all the stuff, it wasn't that different than
any other season we've had when it comes to how
a season ends. I think they have to be very
careful when Jesse says this is the most historic ending
or this is a historic moment in the franchise for
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it not being now, we just go, well, what was it?
What happened?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, what happened is he made a decision and he
said thanks to Letia that did not allow with the
decision that he made. That is something we'll get into
a second. But I do want to talk about how
they invited you to be part of this live three
hour Finally. You were supposed to be on the panel.
You were supposed to be in the place of either
Gary Charity or Clayton because all of them basically said
(03:16):
I love you to multiple people. You were apparently the
og of this, that's what they wanted to do on
the panel. You decided not to go.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah, it's not they asked, And I'm always thankful when
the show asks for us to return. It's fun for
us to return a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Oh yeah, yeah. I don't know if I'll ever return again,
though it makes me feel sad. I can't figure out
a place where I would fit return. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, I'm kind of in the same spot. It's fun
to return. It's fun to see familiar faces. Is it's
exciting to be in that environment. It'd been great to
meet Grant in person, and you know, hopefully his choice
that we'll get to in just a bit. But talking
about saying I love you to two people, it just
(04:01):
doesn't feel like it's a part of my life anymore.
And it's also a moment that I feel like, why
am I going to talk about it if the show's
never owned up to that it happens all the time,
and they just showed it for my season and made
it a big deal, and it was. It was a
huge deal. It was accurate to my story. I'm not
mad about the editing part of it, but the way
(04:23):
the show just kind of threw me out there and said, Okay,
now go deal with this. This is so weird and
unexpected and they've never really like talked about it and
since then when it happens every season now. But I'm
not going to go on a panel and talk about
how I fell in love with two people because I
am married with a child. I am so happy with that.
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Lauren is married with a child, Jojo is married and thriving.
Like nobody wants to see me revisit this moment and
to see a clip played and to have me have
to explain it. I don't even remember really why I
said what I said.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Mm hmm, totally. Now do you believe I don't even
believe that possibly Grant was in love with two people
because the way that he hurt Letia. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
That's long. I mean, that's a big question. Actually are
you asking me to answer that? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I don't know, because okay, this is a difference. Sorry
to bring you into this, but.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
You can bring No. Here's the deal. You can bring
me into it. You and I talk every week about
the show and our experiences. You can bring me into it.
I am not going to get a phone call for
the first time in like years, and the phone call
is like, hey, instead of like bringing you back to
talk about, you know, your time on the show and
what maybe you meant to the show and all the
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you know stuff that happens with the show, We're going
to bring you back to talk about the one moment
that was the most controversial for your season, and then
just like send you away. It's gonna be a great
five minute panel. You're gonna get out there. Everybody's going
to be sick of seeing you again, and then you're
gonna leave, and that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
People aren't sick of seeing you, Ben, they don't see
you enough. They are sick of seeing Gary. There, I
said it, that's fair. They're they're honestly probably sick of
seeing Susan two. And Susan's gonna be on the new
Hulu show and then Susan's probably also gonna be on
a Bachelor in Paradise. Will around that in a second.
Maybe people just love seeing them though maybe I'm wrong. Okay,
(06:25):
So the difference between you and Grant is that, like
you seemed like, oh shit, oh you have in love
with two people? Oh god, what am I gonna do?
How am I gonna navigate this to you? How Like
you were in a panic and you felt guilt and
you felt so much heaviness, and he was kind of like,
I love you, I love you. Oh okay, this.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I pick you. I pick you.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
You know, it wasn't what I thought I was gonna
do all season long, but I pick you, like it
was weird. And then like you know, he went into
a robot take mode when he dumbs Letia. He was
in like, Okay, well I lied to her a lot,
and now I'm going to press this button. I'm going
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to get through this breakup and then I'm going to
continue with life.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Is there a question there for me?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I guess the question was like, don't you feel the difference?
Didn't you feel the difference? Like? I really feel like
he was just he did he was so detached.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Okay, I can only yeah, I don't know Grant. I mean,
we watched Grant's moment. Does it feel more detached? Yes,
it does. It feels more detached than all these other
panelists who you know, fell in love with Muscile. People
are said they did, and I think two and I
want to give credit to Lauren and Jojo here. I'm
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going to try with what I'm saying. I don't know
if it's gonna make sense. I think Grant's final two
is great too. Well, don't know them that well because
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
This seems like I know Latia pretty darn well, Letia,
you do.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I do think that's fair. I will say this. I
think most people watching the season of show that I
was on as the lead, even if they didn't want
to believe it, it made sense to them on how
I got there. I think the season itself showed how
we got to that moment where all of a sudden,
(08:28):
I was going, I don't know what to do, Like
this is the weirdest thing I've ever experienced. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
I think people thought it was outrageous that I said
that to two people. I get that. I understand that.
I'm not mad at people for feeling that way, but
I think deep down, when they thought about it, they're like,
it makes sense because then Jojo became so celebrated as
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the Bachelor and people fell in love with her. People
loved Lauren coming off the show, Like people were like,
I get why these two people have this big of
an impact and you have this kind of feelings for
them in your life. I don't think we had that
kind of journey with Grant to this point where we're like,
I get how he got here, Like, yeah, these two
women he definitely has a connection with. I think really
(09:11):
we thought he has a connection with one of them
and that was the one he didn't choose, and now
we're surprised. So is it different?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I would say yes, I think he had a connection
with Juliana for sure. I know he had a connection
with Juliana, but like, I think Latia was always shown
as being his front runner, And that's.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
What I'm saying. But yeah, let me be clear. My
point was not that he doesn't have a connection with
the woman that he's now engaged to. We're happy for them, like,
we don't want to take that moment away from them.
I'm just saying the show, the story of the show
didn't show that connection like they showed Latia's, and so
(09:52):
as a result, the viewers feel like we're playing catch
up at the very end instead of almost seeing this
story play out like like this season I was on
where they're like, I don't know what he's gonna do
because he's into both these people.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, it was almost as if they created the storyline
for TV so that there would be a twist at
the end.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yes, that's the That's a good better way to say
it than me. It's like they almost created this twist
so that we were surprised by who he chose and
we're like, wait, that now doesn't make any sense right totally.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
But I will say that the way Letia handled herself
with some like fun but yet some fun sass but
also lots of intelligence at the end between the you know,
the Ulter moment and then also when she confronts him
on the couch, like she was the bachelorette that I
feel like they've been searching for.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, and this is the season that they're not going
to have one, But it makes no sense to me
because she is the bachelorette they've been wanting for for
so long. This was her bachelorette moment, even though she knew,
especially during the live show, that there is no bachelor happening.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And here's an interesting thing. The viewer response typically when
somebody confronts another person on this show, or they get
angry or they get sassy, the viewer response is usually
mixed like oh, I'm so proud of them, or that
was unnecessary. Everybody was on her team here, Like everybody
was like, that was perfect, you did great. Let's go girl.
(11:29):
Like also, her accent came out, which was amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, we heard a voice that we had never heard
of before, and I was here for it. You know
how we've been complaining for a couple of seasons that
we like felt like we didn't know the lead going
into their season. Well, we know her and I feel
attached to her.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I want to see her win. And you know what's great,
Ashley h I just I wish you were having a
Bachelor at season so bad because I think it would
bring a whole new life to the franchise. And it
feels like such an easy win for the show just
to be like, Okay, it's your story, now, let's go.
Let's like start next week and let's start filming like
they usually do the because what we know about her
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right now is she is passionate, she smart, was ready,
she knows what she wants, and she wants a family.
Like one of the biggest conversations this episode was about
how she's ready for kids. How cool is it for
you know, two parents here to be watching a full
season being like she's gonna get her love story, like
(12:33):
she's gonna get her family. We're cheering for her to
find that person that fills that role in her life
and so that she can start this thing that she
dreams of, as she said from her heart, she's desiring kids.
I would be so all in on this. I would
be her biggest fan. I am her biggest fan. It
I don't want to take away and we're gonna get
(12:54):
to you know, Grant Juliana here and what we hope
for them, what we feel for them. But let's be honest.
Latia is the star of this episode of the show,
of this season. Yeah, and I am upset, and I
hope this makes a headline. I am upset that she
is not our bachelorette.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Now, how much do we pay her to go to Paradise?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
None?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Wait, what do you mean you don't want her in Paradise.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I don't want to in Paradise.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think she's got to go to Paradise because we
want to see that right and we find it in
Paradise in front of our eyes. We want to see
it one way or the other. I think she I
think they're gonna I think they're gonna get her there.
I think she's going to She needs we need a
couple of stars there, so you'll be a big star there.
There's you know, there's what's his name, Jonathan from gen
(13:53):
Zeason will be another star there. We have to just
pile Paradise. We have to pile up Paradise.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
That's my thought.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
But then we also have the Goldens and Paradise, which
is another thing. We'll talk about in a little bit,
but I do want to talk about the families for
a second. Just the family meet and greets really quick.
Grandsister said that she liked Latia since day one, and
you could tell that the mom preferred Latia over Juliana,
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which to me was a sign. It was like, oh,
this is what Ben always says. They always show the
parents preferring one over the other there, and it's usually
the one that doesn't win.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, from my personal experience,
I don't know how much i'd read into that, because
there's questions that they can set up to make it
seem that way. There's suns they can get out typically parents,
and it feels like what his you know, mom would do.
They pretty much they try their best to walk a
(14:53):
very middle line here because they know that the show
is going to try to push them in one direction
or the other. And they're like, I'm not giving you
that the show can get anything out of anything they
want it. It is weird. I mean, I think we
have to look at the storytelling piece here. It did
feel like they really pushed Latia on us this episode,
and it's weird to me that they did that. Without
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a Bachelorette season coming, because what is the benefit of
the show to not just make this a beautiful love
story between Juliana and Grant.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Good good point, because my biggest takeaway from this episode
was like, maybe we should do the finale in two parts.
If you guys are really into the whole three hour thing,
then maybe we do two hours on a Monday, and
then we do one hour on a Tuesday, and then
the two hour is you know, the finishing up of
the season and the dumping. Because when we got to
(15:45):
the proposal, I was checked out. I didn't care. I
just cared about Letia and I was so angry for
her that I couldn't switch over to happiness for the
two of them that quickly. So I say, separate them
if you're gonna create stories like you just did.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
We talked about this with Andy and Charlene. Feel like,
to me, the story path was missing here. It didn't
give Grant and I want to be like as clear
as I possibly can be on this show because we're
wrapping up this season and we probably won't talk about
it too much again. We'll hopefully talk to Latia, maybe
Juliana and Grant, but it felt like they did Grant
(16:27):
and Juliana a disservice this episode by focusing so much
on Latia and not allowing us the space to celebrate
this new relationship, because what we were doing as viewers
were like, I'm on Latia's team here, like I'm mad
at Grant right now, something obviously happened that changed his mind.
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Latia's telling us that he said all these things to
her to give her a clear like confidence that she
was going to be the one chosen at the end,
his mind switched. We don't know why, where, how, what happened?
We're lost here and now we're just meant to celebrate
this new relationship when we're still mad at Grant, And
it felt like they they gave him a disservice by
(17:13):
not allowing the space or the clarity for how they like,
how we got to where we got to, Uh, even
if it was messy, even if it was ugly, even
if he made mistakes, even if Ashley he did the
coin flip.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
That wasn't shown, I would have felt more if we
had a coin flip. I feel like I needed the
coin flip.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
At least we know how he got to this decision.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I believe the coin flip happened, even more so now
because you always said it. They wouldn't show it. But
there felt like there was a big chunk of his
decision making process that was missing because he was like, oh,
I don't know what to do. My dad came in.
He told me to follow my heart, as if it's
like the most groundbreaking advice ever. Sorry, his dad is
so sweet. I love the moments with his dad.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah, but that's like revolutionary advice. His dad was probably like,
I don't know to do. Man, Like I don't go
follow your heart? Like this is weird, I know.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And then all of a sudden he saw the light.
I'm like, uh, I think you've recued. But we should
mention that the whole having a family thing seemed to
throw him off a lot more in this episode than
it ever had, and Latilla brought that up. She was like,
wait a second, now, this is something we talked about
this weeks ago and that didn't seem to be a thing.
(18:24):
But he really seems to want a couple years of
chill before kids.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Okay, so here to clear all this up, a few
things that happened this episode. Here's the bat that happened
this episode. It was confusing. Yet again, I don't feel
like we got even a half of the real story
that occurred throughout this season. And it did feel like Grant,
(18:51):
as we talked about last week, had things brought up
to him this season that were big deals and he
either chose not to listen to them. Hey Grant, I
want a family, Hey Grant, I want kids soon, and
he said that sounds awesome, like so good, let's do it,
like so happy with it. He either wasn't listening, or
(19:12):
he wasn't realizing the seriousness of these desires being communicated,
or he did have a revolutionary moment at some point
to go, I actually don't want that right now. And
there's one person here that hasn't asked that of me,
and so that's where I'm leaning. Because the other person
seems really confident in what they want for the future
(19:34):
and really passionate about what they want for the future.
But we don't get any of that as viewers. We
see none of it. And all I want, Ashley for
any season of The Bachelor is clarity, because I want
to sit with Grant if he made some mistakes along
the way, because we all get it. I also want
to celebrate Grant's great decisions like choosing somebody he loves
at the end, and they seem happy and ready to
(19:55):
make this thing work. But instead I just felt like
a viewer who has watched all season and then watched
three hours of an episode and still felt confused and upset.
And I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
All Right, there's something we really have to dive into,
and this is Letia's points at the end of the show.
The fact that the night before he said I love you,
I love you, I love you. You can't wait to
get engaged tomorrow. That's lot. And then the FaceTime with
her mom earlier in the season where he goes, I
want to stop that. Of course they didn't air this,
(20:29):
but this was a moment that didn't make air. Says
we can stop the show right now. I'm so certain
that Latia is going to be the one in the end.
Then there was things that she was respectful enough to
not bring up that were said in the fantasy suite,
which I am assuming was like you've been it, you
(20:49):
are it, ala Ala, And that's why she says at
the end, when did it switch within the past twelve hours,
Like how did this happen? And then he was like,
what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Switch? Like I think he thought he was going to
get away with it, and he was like, crap, this
girl is coming after, Like she's calling me out and
I didn't realize she I didn't think she would.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Well, dude, what, Yeah, I don't know you or you
are different than I thought you were. As she said,
what do you think of this behavior?
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I mean, I don't want to crush any lead girl
or guy on this show that is conflicted. I get it.
It's hard. There's a lot to process emotions and feelings
do change on a dime because you're allowing them to
You're staying open to the very end until the moment
that you say, I know what I want to do.
(21:49):
The interesting part about this season is it felt like
Grant was so conflicted that he really didn't know what
he wanted to do, But yet he was telling Letia
these He was giving her the reassurances and promises as
she mentioned, which makes me think that, you know what,
maybe the better path here Grant was to be honest
with these women and tell them I actually am like
(22:10):
having a really hard time. You don't have to go
into details like, I'm having a real hard time because
I like you the same, It's just I'm having a
really hard time, Like this is this is messy, this
is confusing to me. But it felt like he was
kind of giving the sales pitch to the Latia during
Fantasy Sweet Week, during the facetimes and saying like, no,
it's you, you have nothing to worry about, and then
(22:31):
blindsiding her at the end. And I don't know how
he goes from being so confident. That's what I mean.
That was my point earlier. What happened and why aren't
we seeing it? What happened Grant, that you were so
confident all season for weeks now and then all of
a sudden you switch on us, like we have no clue.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It could have been the greatest content ever to see
him like really having meltdowns over this, because the normal
person would have meltdowns over this, being like, oh my god,
I told her this. I can't believe I told her
mom that she was going to be the one that
we could stop the show. I can't believe I told
her these things. They've finished, and now I have to
tell her it's not her. He didn't even back back
off that last night by saying like, okay, that was
(23:16):
his opening window to show some doubt, even though he
probably had just felt like he was so far in
that he couldn't back out then, but that had set
him up for even more of a of course, backlash
from her at the altar.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Okay, let's switch gears complete left turn here, because I
think the consensus from you and I here is this
season else not to hate on Grant, but this season
felt like we were playing catch up and reading through
the lines most of the time. There was the storytelling
piece of this felt like there were things missing, and
(24:01):
we feel that even more now than ever when it
comes to the breakup at the very end and we're
sitting here going what just happened? Yet, there is a
new couple coming out of Bachelor Nation. It is Juliana
and Grant, and they do seem really happy together. Grant
is moving to Boston to be with her. We want
them to work, like, let's make that clear. The problem is,
(24:24):
unlike a lot of seasons, we it does feel hard
to like celebrate it because I in my mind, I'm
still like he hasn't really chosen like I haven't. It
was hard for me to make sense of what was
happening during this episode and then get it summarized, yeah
with this like you know proposal at the end.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah. I was shocked to see them so happy on
the couch. I thought that this was bound to be
one of those couples that you were going to be like, Yeah,
we've had a hard time since the show wrapped. We did,
you know, we We've had conversations and happy a couple
of weekends that you know, had some tension, but we're
really trying to work through it. They seem all the
(25:07):
way happy. So maybe she's just a very understanding woman,
or as they would like to say, well well woman, yes,
how many times do we use the damn word woman?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Last night? Holy mother of God, it must have been
a thing. The Uh, we're so happy for them, Like
I want to see them, I don't. I'm not putting
this on Grant and I'm definitely not putting this on Juliana.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
It felt like it wasn't their fault, that the messiness
or the confliction or the back and forth wasn't clearly shown.
It's not their fault at all. It didn't feel like
they get a fair shot. But now that they're together,
as we do with any couple, especially while other than
like Jen and Devin were like, gen, run as fast
(25:56):
as you possibly can, kid, we really want to see
them work. It's an amazing thing when this show works.
Love happens from the show it has worked before. And
so to Juliana and Grant, congratulations you did it. And Juliana,
you are going to have to be understanding in this moment.
It doesn't mean that it's gonna be forever. It doesn't
mean that this season of you getting compared to or
(26:18):
getting talked about in the same breath as Latia is
gonna happen forever. You guys are gonna have the opportunity
to just like have a healthy, happy relationship, especially if
the two of you communicate with each other about what
happened at the end. And I'm sure you have. But
let's celebrate the two of them now, if anything, on
this podcast, because it didn't feel like we got the
chance to in a proper way last night.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Also, Letillo was like, girl, run, I know she did
say that, and I understand, like Juliana must have some
worries watching this back about his honesty or the fact
that she might be blindsided one day. I think there's
one thing to point out out more is towards the end,
he said, there's one relationship that's very serious, and then
(27:05):
there's one relationship that's very fun. And I think that
what Grant was thinking of at the end was who
can I now date, not who can I marry?
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Well, they did talk about they're going to take things slow,
they're really happy. Let's let's hope that they work. Really
the star of last night, Letia said all the things
that everybody loved, they would love to see as the bachelor.
Att's it's unfortunate that she she's not going to get
(27:38):
that opportunity. Juliana and Grant, we hope you guys move
on in engagement bliss and you date really well.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
We're sorry if we sound off. We're not hostile to
do your relationship goodness. No, we're a little weary of
Grant's decision making, but.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Ultimately we want to see them succeed. I mean, I
think I think what we're saying is I know what
we're saying is it didn't feel like they got a
fair shot, and it doesn't feel like this season at
times got a fair shot, and it didn't feel like
we got the full story and I don't know why.
I don't know what they were protecting us from. And
it could have been that Grant did to do a
coin flip at the end, and they're like, hey, we
(28:16):
can't show that because that just doesn't look good. And
so none of this is going to make sense because
we really don't know, Like, we can't show how he
actually decided who he was going to propose to at
the end. That could be two and that's probably going
to be my theory until we talked him about it.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
My bad, though, I didn't mean decision making as far
as picking Juliana, Like I think that he actually did
make the best decision for himself picking Juliana. I just mean,
like his decision making and telling this litia and such
things along the way. Okay, now let's move on to
the big announcement that there will be the Golden Bachelor's
(28:53):
in Bachelor and Paradise. Ben, what do you think? And
Jared was hot about it? He didn't I'm not like
this idea when it was announced.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's gonna get messy. I
hope this show doesn't try to cultivate relationships between the two,
Like I just if one happens, I guess like cool,
But like I hope this show doesn't produce their way
into a relationship here. I don't think that's gonna be
good for the viewership. I don't think it's what the
viewership is asking for. I don't think they've ever asked
(29:25):
for this kind of for Susan to date, Jonathan, I
don't think that's been a thing that anybody's ever desired.
We'll see. I can see where it'll be entertaining, and
I can see where it could work with the wisdom
being shared and the advice and kind of having that
like wise counsel and a place to like, you know, obviously,
(29:46):
like Susan has always been to when we go on
these trips. She's just a fun person to be around,
and she's always very like loving and caring and towards me.
So I could see where I'd be on the beach,
I'd be like, season, can we just like chill and talk,
or like, can you just help me figure this out?
I just hope there's not like relationships being formed or
(30:09):
forced between the two groups.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Do you see it being separate like them? I hear
there's some rumors out there that they'll be happening at
different parts of a resort, or two different resorts, so
that it's more of like a flash to the young
kids flash to the older people. I think I'm more
down for that. I do worry that we'll again be
missing a lot of storyline from both camps if that's
(30:34):
how they do it, unless they do, like you know what,
I be down for them doing two hours a week
of the younger people and then an hour a week
with the goldens, Like let's separate it like that.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
That'd be fun.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
And then like there could be some joint dates, not
like mixing of the ages, but like you know, the prom,
like they all show up to the prom together.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah. I think there's a lot of ideas. We don't
know a lot, but we do know they're going to
be there. It's official together on the beach. We'll be
excited for it. We'll be watching, We'll be breaking it
down here at the Almost Famous podcast as we always do.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yes, we will be all right. Well, guys, Ben has
got to go, but I will be doing e further
breakdown of this finale with a panel of some of
your favorites, So stay tuned for that, but until that time,
I've been Ashley.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
And I've been Ben. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
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