March 26, 2025 • 46 mins
Ben and Ashley assembled an expert panel from Bachelor Nation to discuss the aftermath of the finale for Grant Ellis’ season!
We hear from former Bachelorette Rachel Recchia about Grant’s true feelings on Litia. Trista & Bob weigh in on the Golden’s arrival in Paradise. And Susie wants justice for Juliana!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast Finale Edition
Part two. Ben is at a conference right now, so
I'm going to meet with a panel of our Bachelor
faves and we're going to just get their opinion on
the finale. His his, uh, what would you call it? Rachel?
It's a Rachel rakia with us right now. Grants, it's
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not a bad decision to pick somebody that you think
you're properly fit with. What's the bad decision here is
that you told the other girl it was her the
whole time.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Crazy crazy and going off that I don't even feel
like we were shown as like much as he did
say that, Like, I feel like I didn't realize so
she was sitting down on the couch. How much of
a switch up I guess this was. I don't know
the whole time I thought she was running away with it.
But as viewers like, we know, sometimes it's not how
(01:05):
you think it it. So I'm curious to hear your opinion.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well, I gave my opinion for our audience to know
in the episode with Ben. Mine is just so I'll
just briefly summarize it here. I just I think that
he wanted somebody to date and not somebody to necessarily marry,
because he knew that Letia was like, we're on the
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marriage path, We're on the kid's path within two years,
this is our timeline. I think he just knew that
with Juliana he could have more fun, he could kind
of play by year.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I also feel like there was I'm actually kind of
shocked they with this like confusion storyline because watching this
last episode, I feel like he could not be more
obvious it wasn't Letia.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Actually, yeah, I didn't mention that. Yes, I didn't mentioned
that with Ben. I think that he was like really
happy to see that, like the Juliana's connection was catching
up with Latia because I think he started to feel
the Litia relationship was too heavy.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And the second he sat down with his dad, which
by the way, his conversation with his dad was probably
my favorite part of the episode, but not.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
For me, not the not the final conversation with the dad,
but the conversation that he had during one of the
girl meet and greets where the dad started crying about
how he was going to be involved with his life going.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I know, and like, even after everything that he opened
up about on Gen season, like seeing this kind of
all come to a close for him, it was very nice.
But the second he started mentioning, he started like throwing
in seeds of doubt about Latia and about the king.
And I'm just so confused because Grant is thirty one,
and did he not say he wants kids? Like when
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do you want those kids? It just felt like he
was looking for an excuse to pick Juliana. I don't
even know if it was that. It just felt like
he was looking for something.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I'm so glad you brought this up because this is
stuff that I didn't talk about with Ben. Yeah. I
think that he made that comment to his dad saying
like I played basketball my whole twenties, And it sounded
as if he wanted to say but couldn't say because
he's a bachelor. But it sounded like he wanted to
be like, and now I just want to have fun,
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I want.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
To travel, I want to like, you know, you're picking
your two decisions. Here are someone who is a little
bit older and who's ready for the family and ready
for every single thing that you said you wanted. First episode,
you stood there and you said, this is what I want.
But now you have this option. Okay, Juliana, she's a
little just a tiny bit younger, and it doesn't feel
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like to him maybe as much pressure. And now that
this is really coming into the engagement, which all these
men too, I think don't realize they're actually getting engaged,
I know, like across the board. And I think now
he's like, oh shit, I'm getting engaged and now I
have to have a baby, Like he's just I don't know,
because I do think he has a great connection with Juliana.
(04:13):
But as a viewer, this definitely was a crazy switch
up at the end, but not at the very last minute.
I don't think he was conflicted at last minute.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I think that that was kind of built up too.
I think what he was conflicted about was that he
had said so many things Latia that he was like,
how do I get off the hook here? Uh huh,
I've just buried myself in lies, like this is what
I'm I'm scared about, not necessarily who I'm gonna who
I'm drawn to picking.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
No, absolutely, and I'm I actually am shocked too that
they It feels like they protected him a lot with
this ending.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
We think that they took a lot out of that,
like deciding term oil moment, because like he just they
teased it all season long, like he's gonna have He's
gonna go in thirty minutes beforehead not knowing. But we
didn't really see any of that emotional debate in his I.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Didn't see any debate. I saw him sit down with
Litia and basically try to get her to like have
doubt and he starts bringing up this kid's thing again
and she's like, no, it's fine, it's totally fine. We
could discuss how you feel in those three years, Like
she was literally saying, like anything you want, here's the plattern.
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It just felt like he was trying to get hurt
a doubt because he was doubting. But then she said
that he was saying, I can't wait to get engaged tomorrow.
Why didn't they air that, like genuinely, where's the footage
of that? Because I believe her. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Oh, I believe her too, and I'm dying to know
what was said in the finale. Yeah, I mean the
Fantasy sweep, the Fantasy sweep. And I also would love.
I mean, they would never do this to a lead,
though maybe there was like one lead, you know, maybe
like one.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I thought they were like protecting him, like especially having
the panel of leads come up and to distuss that
was crazy and I feel like it was overlooked how
crazy that was.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You're right, that was a defensive mode.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
That was them being like you love you love Charity,
you love Gary. Look they did it too, you hate Clayton.
It felt like that's exactly what they were doing.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I love getting your take on that. That is so
so true. See overlooked in a dirty way, like you
know how like they they totally produced Jen's finale in
a dirty way where it was like, how could you
do this to her? So it's almost like they did
the opposite here where they were like too kind to him. Yes,
because if we wanted to do him dirty, then we
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would roll the footage which they have of him on
FaceTime with Lttia's mom being like, wrap up this sh
now it's her.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And him being like she said on their last chance date,
he said, I can't wait to get engaged tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Yeah, now aired.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
If that actually aired and the FaceTime aired, the world
would be destroying him where now, I feel like I've
seen a lot of people like hating on Latia. Really, yes,
have you not seen people are like the switch up
of the Tia was crazy. I'm like, he's lucky she
didn't freak out on him. She thought it was her.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
She used her brain and not a lots as much
sas as she could have. She did use SaaS but
it was well articulated.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
She is so much class. I would have been first
of all, me and you would have just been crying,
like emotional message. She was in shock, and I thought
handled herself great.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
She did, She really did, which is crazy. I love
I love your take care. So seeing Clayton up there,
having you been one of the ones that he said
basically I love you too? Did he say I love
you to you?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And she told me I'm the first one he said
it to an eight years So of course I also
thought it was just I'm like, oh, it's just me,
like you always.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
It's just you. Yeah. So how do you feel in
Latilla's shoes having been in such similar shoes, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I think for me, no matter what he said to me,
I always knew there was a chance, like.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It wasn't me because he said things like I love you,
but he didn't say you're the one stop the show.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
No, she never said that.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I just think I was so aware of like the environment,
and I knew it could switch up. I didn't think
it would like I really thought I was running away
with it. But I can't imagine how she felt being
told I love you, it's you. Yeah, like that's end game.
Cut the tapes, he said. I think he did say
something along the lines of that in his Fantasy Sweet interview,
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but I have no idea how she held it together.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So well, Well, I would still love to see you
in Bachelor and Paradise, which I know that you probably wouldn't.
You're not gonna do That's okay, I respect it. You
know that would have been your fourth show and you
were a lead, so you don't want to do Bachelor
of Paradise twice. But listen, what do you think about
the whole adding the goldens in?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I was going to ask you that, No.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
No, no, no, nobody cares about my opinion. I already
gave it your turn. I hate it, okay, Ah, that's
the general consensus. It seems like people really did want
the Goldens to have their own mingle show, but they
didn't want it to be mixed.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I think there is just a special thing about Golden
and what makes it different is that it is wholesome
and it truly is about like finding love, and it's
such a deeper message. And I think Paradise just is messy.
It's produced to be messy. That's why people like it,
and I don't think watching them be messy is going
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to give me entertainment. So feel like we have to
realize that everyone on that beach is an adult. And
I feel like producers are looking at it like, oh, clearly,
you know the Goldens are just gonna be interested in
the Goldens and they're gonna do But it's like they're
all adults, Like who knows, Like what is going to happen? Like,
I don't know. It just feels like a mess waiting
(10:18):
to happen unless they are separate. I don't know. Not
that's something bad would happen, but it just feels like
unnecessary mess that I'm not gonna want to watch.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I think to them, it sounds like a show that's
enticing for people to watch who've never watched before, you're
gonna be like, wait, there's old, older people dating on
a beach, and it's like it's like Love Island with
young people like, I mean, with older people like I
gotta check this one out. So that's I think it's
for getting new viewers in. I mean, this sounds awful.
(10:51):
Maybe this sounds awful, maybe, but I don't want them
to like I'm tired of them stealing the younger people's
thunder there are it. I feel like I feel like
they're kind of just taking up space for there to
be more bachelor young couples that, like, I don't know,
maybe I'm obviously saying this from somebody who met my
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husband on the show.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, no, I agree. And I also I was talking
to someone about this last night, and I mean, if
you look even back at me, Gabby, season, having so
many storylines makes it not fun to watch because there's
so many things happening. There's so many characters you can't
keep up. It feels like there's going to be so
much that's buried when we're going over like love story,
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love story, and then you have all these golden love stories,
which they're going to take so much time on as well,
like we're not gonna see anything.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
That's what Ben and I were saying, where like we
already feel like we're having storyline problems, we're not sewing
things up properly. That like this is just going to
add in more like how many people are going to
be there? Are you taking away people from the younger Beach?
I'm gonna say it's the younger beach, And we also
don't know whether they'll be on the same beach.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
But even then, what are we going to go back
and forth? Like just storylines Like, Okay, now we're at
the old beach, now're at the young beach. We're gonna
miss so much from what I want to watch, which
is the young Beach. I want to watch the mess
and screaming and the running up and down, Like we're
gonna miss so much if we're going back and forth.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
We just didn't need extra in Paradise because Paradise already
has so much extra, so many storylines that you don't
even see because there are so many people there. I
really like, I would have been so down for them
to do a Golden Paradise esque thing where it's like
Golden and Paradise and they like go to Aspen or something,
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and like they all like live in a cabin.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I don't even know if I would have watched that
because it's just not wholesome.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I feel it's like you feel like that's not wholesome.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Do you think it's gonna be wholesome?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, I think it could be. I think a lot
of these people, well, like a lot of you're being
very generous. I think they are wholesome too. But I
also think that like they're gonna they're gonna eat up
the drama.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Like I know, but do people want to watch old
people drama?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I think that maybe they do. You don't think people. Okay,
I'm gonna have to get Bob and because Bob and
Tester are coming up next, and you know they're they're
not Golden's yet, but they're closer to them than they
are too.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
No, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
No in there, I'm talking about their actual physical age. Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I'm just I am so so so happy that I
went last year.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
That's all I'll say. Because if I was.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
About to go when I heard this news, I'd be
I'd be so mad. And I wonder if it is
gonna affect decisions of some people.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Are they gonna be at the same Rose ceremonies? Like
that would be weird, now, that would be crossing a line. No, No, it's.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Just and it's also like these like I don't know,
it just feels like unnecessary, like everyone there as an adult,
like who knows what lines are going to be? Like
I don't know, Yeah, it just are uncomfortable. I would
be you're comfortable.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, all right, Rachel, thanks for giving me your take,
and I love that it was different than what HA
been and I had already discussed. All Right, So we'll
see you next thing. You the greatest, all right, We'll
see you next time. There will always be so many
next times with Rachel. All Right, see you, Rachel. Trista
(14:33):
Sutter's here, guys. I need to pick up where I
just left off with Rachel. Racky with you right now.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
We were talking about the Golden Golden's in Paradise and
I said, you were like somewhere in between what in
the age groups? What is your take on this? Like
I need to know, like do you think she thought
it wasn't wholesome enough for the Goldens? And I'm like
I don't know. I think the Goldens like their drama.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I do too.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
And actually the fact that Leslie's going to be on there,
like she is super excited about doing it, and I
feel like so part of me kind of agrees with Rachel.
And maybe the reason one of the reasons that I
loved Golden was because it was so wholesome.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
But I also.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
Feel that, like I'm starting to feel kind of what
Joan expressed on Golden Bachelor, and that was they feel invisible.
I feel that sometimes at my age, and I feel
like as you get older, you just start to feel invisible.
And they deserve love, you know, they deserve to find
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it again. And if this is a way that they
can do it while they're having so much fun, because
Gary and Leslie like social, They're super social.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
They are great.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
Television, and I think, why not, like let them not
feel invisible and and and give us a great summer,
you know, of entertainment.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Oh my gosh, you're saying the exact opposite of what
I just said. I go, I feel like they're they're
they're they're they're stealing the younger people's thunder, Like they're
not going to even like do why is everything Golden
infiltrated Now.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
I think it is because it was such a success.
You know, that's I would I would think. But you
know what, we'll we'll have to see because.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
It's never been done before.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
We'll have to see if people like it, if they
actually like it, Like they might get there and be like,
what the hell am I doing here? Like I should
not be here. Who knows, Like, who knows what's going
to happen. It will all depend on the cast. And
it's really funny because we Bob and I just had
Jonathan Rohne on the podcast and I specifically asked him,
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would you do Golden Bachelor in Paradise if it was
a show not knowing that this was coming, like that
this was an announcement.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And he had just broken up with his girlfriend.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Yes, basically I think that he was like, I don't know,
you know, maybe Golden.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
Bachelor, like if I was asked to be the Bachelor.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
But yeah, I think I think it'll be really interesting.
I love the cast members that they've had. The only
thing that I feel is maybe a stretch is the
fact that they don't have a lot of cast to
draw from. You know, if there's only been two seasons,
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so they don't have a lot of cast to draw from,
and maybe that's why they're combining it, you know.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
And I wonder also how that's gonna work, Like.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Are they all going to be in the same you know,
like resort or whatever you guys called it, or are
they going to separate them and have them join together
like just hanging out during the day. Like I'm really
curious to find out what the format's going to be,
you know, how they're gonna do dates, if it's going
to be like just golden dates and then and then
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like Zoe was up there and I'm thinking, gosh, you know,
there are relationships where there's a huge age gap, Like
maybe there's going to be a golden like non golden.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Do you think that's their hope?
Speaker 6 (18:23):
I mean maybe for the producers because it would get
people talking. I don't see it happening, but I'm just really,
really really curious to see a format and who's going
to show up and what's going to happen this summer.
It's actually kind of exciting and it's getting us all talking.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
So I think that's smart.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Who has not been announced that you would most certainly
like expect to see there.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Oh, I don't even know who's been announced.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I would expect to see Nancy there. Well, I mean
I guess I always see is Leslie and Gary. Yep,
beat a big Gary, not no bachelor Gary. And I'm
just like assuming that, Oh my god, how I'm forgetting
her name? Who's the third woman?
Speaker 7 (19:10):
Susan?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Not Susan and Cathy.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Susan and Kathy obviously are going to be there, obviously.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Yeah, they'll be there for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
And then and then who was it April? Why don't
want to April? April?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, yeah, April.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
I wonder if they'll bring her back because there was
kind of some drama it seemed like between her and
the other girls.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, that would be good. And then Nancy, of course,
I think all the men want to see Nancy. And
then what about Faith Faith?
Speaker 7 (19:37):
I love Faith. I wonder if she would do it.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
But you know, I feel like, if they don't have
anything going on, it is exciting to just go hang
out at the beach. Hopefully it's going to be at
the beach this summer, and and see if there's a
love connection to be had. I don't know, I I
also think Jonathan would be great. I don't know if
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he knew about Bachelor in Paradise when we talked to him.
I would love to see him on there. Oh and
Jonathan from Gentran season, I don't know if he's been announced.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
It's definitely been there. He's great.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
Okay, Okay, what about like.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
Not old school, but older school people like Mike Johnson
and right, like, yeah, I would love to see him definitely.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Anyone who's single who was a bigger name back in
the twenty tens.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
Yeah, right, yeah, right, no.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
I And I'm you know, I think it'll all work
out as it should. But this season, I wonder about
Letia because there's not going to be a bachelorette.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Well that's what I was telling Ben. I was like,
Latia has to be in Paradise, and he was like.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
No, he doesn't think she'll do it.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I think that Ben has like thing about Paradise. He
was never there, so I think that there's like almost
sort of a stigma. Event I might be wrong. He
should be here to answer for himself, but he says
he doesn't see her doing that. And I'm like, if
there's no Bachelor Wrette, you gotta do.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
It right, and it's another chance to meet somebody, especially
if you were pretty serious.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
And it seemed like she was pretty serious.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
I mean, she might still be heartbroken even though she
seemed very solid and.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
No, she's done, she's done. That was the kind of
breakup where she like doesn't even have to mourn it
because he was, as she said, such a different person
than she thought he was. That like, she's like, oh, whoops,
I was in love with somebody who was like kind
of a figment of my imagination.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Yeah, it was heartbreaking to me, but I was like,
you go, like, just speak your truth. I loved. One
of my friends texted me and she's like, oh, oh
my gosh.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
She is such a rock star.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
And her clarity, like she really was just so clear
in her thought process and like her like the way
that she's arrested.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yes, I'm like why, I'm like, it's like the hand
of Brown moment, you know, Yeah, why can't I be
like that when I'm upset, Just be like boom boom boom,
they're my points. You can't retaliate.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
No.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
She was so clear and very articulate and so mature,
and she had all the receipts, you know, like she
was like, you said this, you said this, you said
it then then, and you said it the day before.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Like I don't know, I don't know. Grant and.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Juliana seem really happy, and I'm happy for them, and
I hope that it works because that's just who I am. Like,
I want all the couples to work out. But I
feel like unless Julianna doesn't watch the show, which could
possibly be the case because a lot of them don't
watch the show, I think she might have a hard
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time with what happened between Grant and Matia.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I was very interested. I was very interested by the
fact that they seemed so happy dory hunky dory when
they met at the end on the couch, because I
was assuming that they would be like, oh, we've gone
through it.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Right, you're so right.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
I was expecting that too, and they seem really happy.
So I wonder if she hasn't watched the show and
she's just trying to stay away from the gossip and
people talking about it, who knows. I feel like that's
kind of the only way you can be successful.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Is if you just kind of it.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
Yeah, I mean, look at like Dez and Chris.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
You know, I feel like her.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I don't think she said it was isn't exactly the same,
but I feel like her, and I think it was Brooks.
You know there was something between them and I Chris
didn't watch the show and.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Look at them.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
They've got three kids now, you know, very happy.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Good good point. This almost is the most similar. That's
the most similar scenario that I can think to this
because they were just the entire time it was Brooks,
give me Brooks, gave me Brooks, and then it was like, no,
it's Chris. And I was like, oh, was that your
default exactly? But we now know that we know that
Juliana was not his default girl. No, he definitely picked her.
(24:33):
But I do think that he picked her because he
wanted to date someone, because they said he said, I'm
looking to have fun now after playing basketball for like
my twenties, and it's like, wait a second, this is
what Rachel just brought up. Didn't you start this season
being like I am ready to be serious right now?
Speaker 6 (24:52):
One hundred. He definitely said that, and I think that's
too bad. You know that he got to the end
and he was like, oh, well, this whole timeline like
like Lytia was saying, like, I told you about my
timeline the second week, why are you bringing it up
the day before?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It was his way of getting out of it.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
Yeah, yeah, I bet.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
And I wonder if like the compatibility between them in
you know, more intimate moments was.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Made him happier with Juliana.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Who knows.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Okay, maybe there was more physical compatibility between them, and
he realized that later on. I don't know, but if
I was Letia, I would be pissed too, because he
definitely if he said all of those things, and I
one hundred percent believe that he said those things to her,
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that that is one hundred percent leading her on, like
and he was like, what do you think that I was?
Speaker 7 (25:56):
Did he say leading you on or misleading? Do you
think that I was leading? And She's like, yes, you.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Said let's get engaged tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I know, and actually I So it's funny because Ryan
ended up watching the last half of the show with me,
or the last little part, like maybe fifteen minutes, and
I was like, that is why you don't tell people,
at least multiple people that you love them, Like you
don't say all of these things you have to be
thoughtful about what you're saying. And with Ryan and I
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it was similar in the well the opposite. So I
didn't say I love you to anybody, and I waited
to even tell him even though I was in love
with him until we were standing face to face and
getting engaged because Alex Michelle told me two days before
the final Rose ceremony that he was going to pick me,
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and so I totally went into it thinking, like Letia,
like I'm getting engaged today and it just breaks your heart,
Like as didn't tell me all of the rest of.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Those things that Grant told Lytia. So I don't, and
I don't.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
I don't claim to know what she's going through in
terms of that, but I do know that it is
heartbreaking when you are thinking one thing that your life
is about to change in the best way then the
way that you hoped for when you started the show,
and then all of a sudden you're like.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Whoa, whoa, whoa is this reality? Like what is happening?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Well, he just took it a step further because now
on the show you're like, oh, if you say I
love you doesn't mean it's necessarily me because we've seen
it before where it's not actually that person and if
you are a scholar of Bachelor history and you're on
the show, you could know that. Yeah, and the but
Grant really took it a step further by saying like
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you're the one stop the show blah blah blah, and
I'm like, totally they they protected him.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
They did not show any of that to us, just
until the very end. So I mean, Letia will land
on her feet. She is I feel like the whole package.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
Oh yeah, my gosh. I just I love her. If
they were having Bachelorette she would be but never chee win.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I felt more connected to her than I felt connected
to a Bachelor contestant in a while.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
Yeah, I loved her.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Maybe I guess Joey. I guess we all like Joey. Actually,
I liked Joey on Charity season was great, Yeah, but
I didn't like wasn't like obsessed with it, Like, of
course not suss with Joey, but like I didn't think.
I didn't think like, wow, this is a great Bachelor
character until he was like announced as the lead. Then
he like had that haircut and like kind of a
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glow up and he was, and everybody was making like
the tiktoks about it, and I was like, Oh, I
love what he's doing for the franchise, and I feel
like I love what Latilla has done for me. Is
a your as well. Finally somebody who I'm like, no, girl,
you rock. You find someone really really deserving of you.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Yes, she deserves it. And I really really really hope
that she opens up her heart again because when she
said that, I've never said I love you to anybody
I've ever been in a relationship with, because I feel
like it opens the doors to me being hurt or
it's more likely that I'm going to be hurt or
that's going to be taken away from me. Oh. It
broke my heart because I was like, she just opened
(29:30):
up and did this, and then she got her heart broken.
So I really really hope that that doesn't dissuade her
from opening her heart again.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah. All right, Well we have Bob coming on next.
Is there anything that you think that Bob would be
especially wonderful at talking about recording this episode.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
I think the Golden stuff for sure, because he's met
a lot of those people you know with you or
you know, I don't. I don't know that you were there,
but I feel like he's met a bunch of the
Golden people, so I think he'll have a good insight
into how that's going to go down. And I think
he'll he'll speak his mind when it comes to how
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he feels about Golden Bachelor in Paradise just in general,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, alrighty, thanks Trista. We're going to get him on now,
talk about I know he'll be so good. Oh yeah, Trista,
thank you so much for all of your thoughts.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
Of course, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Bob.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Hello there, Well, hi, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 5 (30:33):
I am great? How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I'm doing fine. I wanted to ask you because Trista
told me that you would have some interesting insight into
this announcement that Paradise is going golden.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
So yes, I'm actually very excited about this, and I think,
you know, I've had some conversations with people where they
think it could be a little gross.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
I think it could be a little awesome, you know.
I mean, I love the building cast.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
I spent a lot of time with them, and I
feel like there's a couple of people there in particular
who will be really fun and make it very memorable.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
So you know, I don't know. I mean, what are
your thoughts on it?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Well, my thoughts are probably unpopular. I just like, I
don't want more, I don't want time taking away from
the Traditional Paradise. I would have liked a totally separate
Golden Golden in Paradise. Yeah, or at least like a
separate show. So we have two hours of Traditional Paradise
and then like an hour of Golden Paradise. That'd be
fun on a different day. Usually it's like Monday and Tuesday.
(31:37):
So I'm down for that. Do you see there being
a possible problem with like there being a crossover couple?
Speaker 8 (31:47):
Wait a minute, are you telling me that they're going
to have Goldens on the same season with the traditional.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Oh, I thought it was going to be all Goldens.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Oh boy, Young Young and there's a crossover couple.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
What in the world.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah, Okay, now I'm bothered.
Speaker 8 (32:11):
No, I wouldn't say that I'm bothered, but now I'm like,
I'm a little taken aback.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Okay, I'm a little little taken aback. That's interesting, that's interesting.
Speaker 8 (32:21):
Okay, now I see why why there's uh, I see
why there's.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
The apprehension now, all right, So.
Speaker 8 (32:28):
Yes, I can see the apprehension. I don't foresee a
crossover couple. I foresee everybody staying in their lane.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
It could be across flirting.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Yeah, yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 8 (32:40):
A couple of the a couple of the you know,
the golden guys will probably flirt with everybody, right, especially
if they cast a few people on there.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I could see that double standard. It'll be sort of
sweet to see if the younger guys are flirting with
the older ladies, but it would be so creepy to
see the older guy looking at the younger women.
Speaker 8 (33:02):
Yeah, there's gonna need to be some camp counseling prior
to arriving to that island, and it's gonna have to
be like, okay, guys, look, stay in your lane, don't
be that creepy grandpa. And then you know, all right,
young young dudes, you can be flirty and fun, but
don't go you know, don't.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Yeah, be ridiculous. I don't know. It's gonna be interesting.
It's definitely gonna be interesting. Now that. Wow, I totally
misunderstood what was happening here.
Speaker 8 (33:31):
Oh my God, Okay, I got a whole new reboot
on my thought process, I was thinking full golden Paradise,
and I thought that'd be awesome. And then but I
also thought, like you were saying, like a conventional paradise
or dare we say, a younger paradise as well. And
so that's kind of what I was thinking, was two
separate shows running at the same time. I didn't realize
that they'd be running at the same place at the
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same time that that could be interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
It's it's unclear how they will handle where, who's day where,
and it'll be at a new resort. So what's your
general takeaway.
Speaker 8 (34:05):
You know, I mean, okay, I feel I watched I
watched an episode that you invented recently about your thoughts
on I'm not really feeling like you've gotten to know
this bachelor. And I feel the same way like I
feel like i'm sort of I feel like I like them,
I like what I know, but I don't feel like
I'm not to that next level where I feel like
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I know this dude, super nice guy yep. And so
I'm hopeful, you know, I'm hopeful about this one that
it all works out and and you know, I mean
I was. I was hoping for that union. I was
hoping for the two of them to end up together.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
You were hoping for Juliana.
Speaker 8 (34:42):
I actually was, yeah, And I know I think I was.
I was a rarity there as well, right, because everyone's
sort of but see, here's my here's my thought process.
Like I feel like, you know, what's old is new again, right,
And what The Bachelor did on this particular season was,
I think was what they used to do back in
the early seasons, where they always make you think the
runner up is going to be your you know, the
(35:05):
final Rose recipient, and so you buy it's by everything
that you're watching on the show. You're like, oh, it's
obviously going to be Letia, Whereas I, on the other hand,
was like, I feel like this is an old school
bait and switch move they're doing to me. I think
Juliana is the one that he's vibing with, and they're
trying to make me think it's the other one l
And so I was sort of like banking on Juliana,
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and I do think they have like, you know, here's
what's going to be tough, right, is that every season
and we know of one in particular very well. That
ends with the guy saying he loves both women.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
He's already done his rant about it today.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
Yes, yes, yes, but I understand it, like I really
do understand it, and I don't think people who don't
go through a show like this could possibly understand it
that how is it at the end of the season,
I end up saying I love you to two different people.
I will say on my season, I definitely had very
strong feelings for both of my final too, and so
I almost did the opposite, Whereas you know, because of
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my fear of emotional commitment at that time, I like
put the brakes on completely and didn't propose to anybody.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Right was that the right answer? I don't know.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
But you see these people that go through this experience,
and at the end of it, they're like sitting there,
really torn between two people, and it doesn't seem like
that should be the case that anyone would have that
kind of feeling. But when they do, you know, and
then they make their decision, I feel like maybe that
gives them a better chance of you know, they they've
been through a little bit of trial and tribulation. They
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had to make a decision that wasn't obvious. And you know,
I mean I always think about for me, you know,
I mean I was unlucky in love until my wife now.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
And you know, I when we first were.
Speaker 8 (36:45):
Together, I remember thinking, well, this is just gonna be
casual because I don't I don't want this, you know,
to I don't want to be in a serious relationship.
And you know, the whole time, like jokingly, twelve years
later with two children, and she's always like, yeah, we
got two casual kids. We spent twelve casual years. You know,
she mess with me. But you know, sometimes I feel
like maybe people go through that challenge early and then
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they end up on the other side of it and
they're so thankful they went through it, you know. And
I mean, I don't know, I think that there's something
to it. I don't know, if you're outside of the
circumstance of the Bachelor, Aura, does that argument stand. No,
it doesn't, but you know, in these circumstances, maybe it does. Bob.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I appreciate that perspective because it is different than what
us ladies have been talking about earlier in the episode.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
So thank you for that, and I get it.
Speaker 8 (37:30):
I think I think if I'm a lady and this
dude is told and I have to watch this finale
where I know I'm going to be the one with
the ring at the end of this thing. And I
see him telling another girl the same thing he told me,
I would lose my mind.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, Bob, thanks for joining us. We're gonna get Susie
on here next and awesome. See we'll see her take
on all of this.
Speaker 8 (37:51):
I'm excited to hear it. Thank you for having me, Ashley,
always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Joy Mexico. Bye, Nah, Susie Evans is joining us. Now, Susie,
you were the winner of a season in which the
lead said I love you to multiple people, led on
(38:17):
multiple people. You might want to say, how does it
feel being in Juliana's shoes?
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Now?
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I had so much empathy for her last night and
compassion for both of them because it was just it
was so sad to watch here because you're like watching
Letia go through this and you're like rooting for her
and you're like, grand so worse, Oh my god, how
did he do this? And then you see that he
also like has this strong relationship with Juliana and he
(38:46):
loves her too, and that she's this beautiful, kind person
and like she just yeah, it's so it's so complicated.
It feels like it feels like shit. If I'm being honest,
like I remember that feeling, and it's like, Okay, nobody
wants to celebrate us. Nobody wants to, you know, embrace us,
like we came off and we felt Me and Clayton
felt like the rejects of like Bachelor Nation for a
(39:08):
long time, to be honest, and it's like it's a
really hard position to be in, but it's tough. I'm like,
I just sent to your message before getting on here,
like you did amazing and you know I'm here for you.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Oh that's sweet, because yeah, that's my issue. It's like
I'm sorry, Julianna, have absolutely nothing against you. I'm just
not thinking about you today. I'm just thinking about let
yeah I know.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
That was like the press little press thing we did
after our season. Every it's like we joined. It's like, okay,
we're the happy couple and it's like so Gabby and
Rachel and I was like, oh no, we're not going
to talk about Clayton. I okay, cool, coo cool, Like
it's it really is like you know, that's just how
it goes for in these scenarios. Specifically, I think.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Mm hmm, you saw Clayton last night. You were in
the audience.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah, yeah, we sat like kitty corner to each other's
right behind me.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
How U how long has it been since you guys
saw each other?
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I think I saw him last summer.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Okay, So it's not like super awkward if you guys
get put together in a moment like that.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
We talked so much shit. Literally, the producers were like, hey, like,
is Clayton's going to be there? I don't know, And
they texted him and I was like, oh my god,
no worries. And he wrote back, was like she's the worst.
Don't sit here by me. And they're like, oh god,
what's gonna happen. He's like, you guys, I'm kidding. We're fine.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
That's hilarious. Yeah. So what do you think about the
fact that they seemingly I want to say that they
kind of they protected they protected Grant by like having
a panel with Clayton on there, just just to kind
of show like, hey, guys, this happens. Sometimes people are
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really confused at the end and they say, I love
you to two people. And then they also didn't show
us a lot of the times that Grant had said
really affirming things to Latia.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
I know, well that's the hard part because as as
much as I do want to celebrate Grant and Juliana,
I also am like realistically it felt messed up like
watching it and it's just really complicated. But I do
have a lot of compassion because I know, like first hand,
(41:25):
I read Clayton's journal. He literally sat down and he
like like showed me the pages of his journal where
he like genuinely thought he was in love with three
people and was so confused. And so I obviously don't
know the position Grant was, and it seemed like he
was like Julia or you know, all in on Latia,
and then it seemed like there was a switch up.
(41:46):
I don't know, but I think the show, I mean
to an extent, I feel like people didn't embrace this
season entirely, which I feel like Clayton went through that
same thing, where like from the get go, like people
weren't really like into it, and you have to have
something to root for, and we don't have a Bachelorette season,
(42:07):
so we don't so Latia is just going out into
the world right now, so it's like you got to
root for somebody, so they're really like they have to
do something. And I think Grant is a good person.
He I do just think he was confused. So I think, yeah,
I think the panel was a good idea because it
is true even like Charity, who I think is like
so respected and so like she's, you know, just this
(42:29):
great person in bacheloration that people like look to and
are like, oh, she's like her relationship is working. She's
a good human. But she told to people that she
loved them too, and she's like it is very confusing
when you get to the end.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
I know, I know, I just feel like it was
I know that I feel like a broken record. We've
been recapping this episode for like two hours now, and
I just keep coming back to the fact that like Clayton,
even he was a very flawed bachelor, but he seemed
to be like racked over his decision making, and like,
(43:03):
you know, we had like these huge emotional moments from him. Yeah,
and with Grant, it was just kind of like, Okay,
here's my decision. It was hard. Yeah, we didn't we
didn't get a lot of emotion from Grant.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
I yeah, you know what. I thought that too. I
felt like there wasn't a jump the fence. He wasn't
saying I'm so broken we didn't get sat But I
will say, and this is just me looking at the
at his face. He looked sick to his stomach the
last like two episodes, I know, and like every time
(43:38):
I would see him, I was just like, he either
has a stomach bug or like he has major anxieties.
I was like, I've been there and I know that feeling,
because his face just looked like he just looked unwell.
Even when he was like talking to both the girls,
I was like, he doesn't look good. But I don't
know if that's because he was like so stressed about it.
(43:59):
But yeah, we never saw this emotional breakdown. But then
I'm also like, some people aren't like that.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
It's probably what it was. He probably very vocal about
his anxieties.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
That's true, but I know, I mean, you're a crier.
I'm a crier. I'm a baby, so it's like I
can't relate. I'm like I would literally be in shambles.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Maybe that's why I'm so weirded out. By it. Yeah,
it keeps it all in. I can't really Susie any
final thoughts about this season.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Oh man, I guess just like my thoughts are like
to everybody, I'm like, be kind. It's like, it is
so hard to be in that position. It really is
so hard to be on such a public platform and
not feel like people want to celebrate you or your love.
And like, yeah, you know, I hope that it's the
right they're the right match, you never know, but if
nothing else, I hope that they're both okay and that
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people are nice to them online for the most part.
You know, you can give Grant a little bit of
a hard time, but like, but don't give Juliana anything.
She's she's apposed.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yes, Juliana is one percent out of this equation. It's
glad that they're moving to Boston to be close to
her family because I just think that was a non negotiable.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, and I would love a follow up with her
dad to see like what he really thinks after watching this.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Yeah, it's painful, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, all righty Well, thank you Susie, and thank you
to everybody on this panel, and thank you all out
there for listening to us recap Grant season, and up
next we have Actulor in Paradise, which, Susie, are you
going to be there with Justin?
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Oh gosh, we'll throw Clayton in too, why not, let's all.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Both of them. I know that you and Clayton won't. Ever,
that's not a reconcilable path. I don't think that I
with Justin. I think that would be some big emotions there.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
I'd be sick to my stomach. Yeah, I got I
think everyone has big decisions to make.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
I'm sure, and I think I'll see you all there.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
You think so?
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Yeah? I think so, all of you, all three of us,
all three of you.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
It's X on the Beach.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
I like that already. Yeah, let's call it Bachelor of
Paradise meets X on the Beach. See you guys, bye.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast Finale Edition
Part two. Ben is at a conference right now, so
I'm going to meet with a panel of our Bachelor
faves and we're going to just get their opinion on
the finale. His his, uh, what would you call it? Rachel?
It's a Rachel rakia with us right now. Grants, it's
(00:32):
not a bad decision to pick somebody that you think
you're properly fit with. What's the bad decision here is
that you told the other girl it was her the
whole time.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Crazy crazy and going off that I don't even feel
like we were shown as like much as he did
say that, Like, I feel like I didn't realize so
she was sitting down on the couch. How much of
a switch up I guess this was. I don't know
the whole time I thought she was running away with it.
But as viewers like, we know, sometimes it's not how
(01:05):
you think it it. So I'm curious to hear your opinion.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well, I gave my opinion for our audience to know
in the episode with Ben. Mine is just so I'll
just briefly summarize it here. I just I think that
he wanted somebody to date and not somebody to necessarily marry,
because he knew that Letia was like, we're on the
(01:29):
marriage path, We're on the kid's path within two years,
this is our timeline. I think he just knew that
with Juliana he could have more fun, he could kind
of play by year.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I also feel like there was I'm actually kind of
shocked they with this like confusion storyline because watching this
last episode, I feel like he could not be more
obvious it wasn't Letia.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Actually, yeah, I didn't mention that. Yes, I didn't mentioned
that with Ben. I think that he was like really
happy to see that, like the Juliana's connection was catching
up with Latia because I think he started to feel
the Litia relationship was too heavy.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And the second he sat down with his dad, which
by the way, his conversation with his dad was probably
my favorite part of the episode, but not.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
For me, not the not the final conversation with the dad,
but the conversation that he had during one of the
girl meet and greets where the dad started crying about
how he was going to be involved with his life going.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I know, and like, even after everything that he opened
up about on Gen season, like seeing this kind of
all come to a close for him, it was very nice.
But the second he started mentioning, he started like throwing
in seeds of doubt about Latia and about the king.
And I'm just so confused because Grant is thirty one,
and did he not say he wants kids? Like when
(02:59):
do you want those kids? It just felt like he
was looking for an excuse to pick Juliana. I don't
even know if it was that. It just felt like
he was looking for something.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I'm so glad you brought this up because this is
stuff that I didn't talk about with Ben. Yeah. I
think that he made that comment to his dad saying
like I played basketball my whole twenties, And it sounded
as if he wanted to say but couldn't say because
he's a bachelor. But it sounded like he wanted to
be like, and now I just want to have fun,
(03:31):
I want.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
To travel, I want to like, you know, you're picking
your two decisions. Here are someone who is a little
bit older and who's ready for the family and ready
for every single thing that you said you wanted. First episode,
you stood there and you said, this is what I want.
But now you have this option. Okay, Juliana, she's a
little just a tiny bit younger, and it doesn't feel
(03:53):
like to him maybe as much pressure. And now that
this is really coming into the engagement, which all these
men too, I think don't realize they're actually getting engaged,
I know, like across the board. And I think now
he's like, oh shit, I'm getting engaged and now I
have to have a baby, Like he's just I don't know,
because I do think he has a great connection with Juliana.
(04:13):
But as a viewer, this definitely was a crazy switch
up at the end, but not at the very last minute.
I don't think he was conflicted at last minute.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I think that that was kind of built up too.
I think what he was conflicted about was that he
had said so many things Latia that he was like,
how do I get off the hook here? Uh huh,
I've just buried myself in lies, like this is what
I'm I'm scared about, not necessarily who I'm gonna who
I'm drawn to picking.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
No, absolutely, and I'm I actually am shocked too that
they It feels like they protected him a lot with
this ending.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
We think that they took a lot out of that,
like deciding term oil moment, because like he just they
teased it all season long, like he's gonna have He's
gonna go in thirty minutes beforehead not knowing. But we
didn't really see any of that emotional debate in his I.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Didn't see any debate. I saw him sit down with
Litia and basically try to get her to like have
doubt and he starts bringing up this kid's thing again
and she's like, no, it's fine, it's totally fine. We
could discuss how you feel in those three years, Like
she was literally saying, like anything you want, here's the plattern.
(05:30):
It just felt like he was trying to get hurt
a doubt because he was doubting. But then she said
that he was saying, I can't wait to get engaged tomorrow.
Why didn't they air that, like genuinely, where's the footage
of that? Because I believe her. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Oh, I believe her too, and I'm dying to know
what was said in the finale. Yeah, I mean the
Fantasy sweep, the Fantasy sweep. And I also would love.
I mean, they would never do this to a lead,
though maybe there was like one lead, you know, maybe
like one.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I thought they were like protecting him, like especially having
the panel of leads come up and to distuss that
was crazy and I feel like it was overlooked how
crazy that was.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You're right, that was a defensive mode.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
That was them being like you love you love Charity,
you love Gary. Look they did it too, you hate Clayton.
It felt like that's exactly what they were doing.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I love getting your take on that. That is so
so true. See overlooked in a dirty way, like you
know how like they they totally produced Jen's finale in
a dirty way where it was like, how could you
do this to her? So it's almost like they did
the opposite here where they were like too kind to him. Yes,
because if we wanted to do him dirty, then we
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would roll the footage which they have of him on
FaceTime with Lttia's mom being like, wrap up this sh
now it's her.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And him being like she said on their last chance date,
he said, I can't wait to get engaged tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Yeah, now aired.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
If that actually aired and the FaceTime aired, the world
would be destroying him where now, I feel like I've
seen a lot of people like hating on Latia. Really, yes,
have you not seen people are like the switch up
of the Tia was crazy. I'm like, he's lucky she
didn't freak out on him. She thought it was her.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
She used her brain and not a lots as much
sas as she could have. She did use SaaS but
it was well articulated.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
She is so much class. I would have been first
of all, me and you would have just been crying,
like emotional message. She was in shock, and I thought
handled herself great.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
She did, She really did, which is crazy. I love
I love your take care. So seeing Clayton up there,
having you been one of the ones that he said
basically I love you too? Did he say I love
you to you?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And she told me I'm the first one he said
it to an eight years So of course I also
thought it was just I'm like, oh, it's just me,
like you always.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
It's just you. Yeah. So how do you feel in
Latilla's shoes having been in such similar shoes, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I think for me, no matter what he said to me,
I always knew there was a chance, like.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It wasn't me because he said things like I love you,
but he didn't say you're the one stop the show.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
No, she never said that.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I just think I was so aware of like the environment,
and I knew it could switch up. I didn't think
it would like I really thought I was running away
with it. But I can't imagine how she felt being
told I love you, it's you. Yeah, like that's end game.
Cut the tapes, he said. I think he did say
something along the lines of that in his Fantasy Sweet interview,
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but I have no idea how she held it together.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So well, Well, I would still love to see you
in Bachelor and Paradise, which I know that you probably wouldn't.
You're not gonna do That's okay, I respect it. You
know that would have been your fourth show and you
were a lead, so you don't want to do Bachelor
of Paradise twice. But listen, what do you think about
the whole adding the goldens in?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I was going to ask you that, No.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
No, no, no, nobody cares about my opinion. I already
gave it your turn. I hate it, okay, Ah, that's
the general consensus. It seems like people really did want
the Goldens to have their own mingle show, but they
didn't want it to be mixed.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I think there is just a special thing about Golden
and what makes it different is that it is wholesome
and it truly is about like finding love, and it's
such a deeper message. And I think Paradise just is messy.
It's produced to be messy. That's why people like it,
and I don't think watching them be messy is going
(09:58):
to give me entertainment. So feel like we have to
realize that everyone on that beach is an adult. And
I feel like producers are looking at it like, oh, clearly,
you know the Goldens are just gonna be interested in
the Goldens and they're gonna do But it's like they're
all adults, Like who knows, Like what is going to happen? Like,
I don't know. It just feels like a mess waiting
(10:18):
to happen unless they are separate. I don't know. Not
that's something bad would happen, but it just feels like
unnecessary mess that I'm not gonna want to watch.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I think to them, it sounds like a show that's
enticing for people to watch who've never watched before, you're
gonna be like, wait, there's old, older people dating on
a beach, and it's like it's like Love Island with
young people like, I mean, with older people like I
gotta check this one out. So that's I think it's
for getting new viewers in. I mean, this sounds awful.
(10:51):
Maybe this sounds awful, maybe, but I don't want them
to like I'm tired of them stealing the younger people's
thunder there are it. I feel like I feel like
they're kind of just taking up space for there to
be more bachelor young couples that, like, I don't know,
maybe I'm obviously saying this from somebody who met my
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husband on the show.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, no, I agree. And I also I was talking
to someone about this last night, and I mean, if
you look even back at me, Gabby, season, having so
many storylines makes it not fun to watch because there's
so many things happening. There's so many characters you can't
keep up. It feels like there's going to be so
much that's buried when we're going over like love story,
(11:38):
love story, and then you have all these golden love stories,
which they're going to take so much time on as well,
like we're not gonna see anything.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
That's what Ben and I were saying, where like we
already feel like we're having storyline problems, we're not sewing
things up properly. That like this is just going to
add in more like how many people are going to
be there? Are you taking away people from the younger Beach?
I'm gonna say it's the younger beach, And we also
don't know whether they'll be on the same beach.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
But even then, what are we going to go back
and forth? Like just storylines Like, Okay, now we're at
the old beach, now're at the young beach. We're gonna
miss so much from what I want to watch, which
is the young Beach. I want to watch the mess
and screaming and the running up and down, Like we're
gonna miss so much if we're going back and forth.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
We just didn't need extra in Paradise because Paradise already
has so much extra, so many storylines that you don't
even see because there are so many people there. I
really like, I would have been so down for them
to do a Golden Paradise esque thing where it's like
Golden and Paradise and they like go to Aspen or something,
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and like they all like live in a cabin.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I don't even know if I would have watched that
because it's just not wholesome.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I feel it's like you feel like that's not wholesome.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Do you think it's gonna be wholesome?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, I think it could be. I think a lot
of these people, well, like a lot of you're being
very generous. I think they are wholesome too. But I
also think that like they're gonna they're gonna eat up
the drama.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Like I know, but do people want to watch old
people drama?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I think that maybe they do. You don't think people. Okay,
I'm gonna have to get Bob and because Bob and
Tester are coming up next, and you know they're they're
not Golden's yet, but they're closer to them than they
are too.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
No, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
No in there, I'm talking about their actual physical age. Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I'm just I am so so so happy that I
went last year.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
That's all I'll say. Because if I was.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
About to go when I heard this news, I'd be
I'd be so mad. And I wonder if it is
gonna affect decisions of some people.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Are they gonna be at the same Rose ceremonies? Like
that would be weird, now, that would be crossing a line. No, No, it's.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Just and it's also like these like I don't know,
it just feels like unnecessary, like everyone there as an adult,
like who knows what lines are going to be? Like
I don't know, Yeah, it just are uncomfortable. I would
be you're comfortable.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, all right, Rachel, thanks for giving me your take,
and I love that it was different than what HA
been and I had already discussed. All Right, So we'll
see you next thing. You the greatest, all right, We'll
see you next time. There will always be so many
next times with Rachel. All Right, see you, Rachel. Trista
(14:33):
Sutter's here, guys. I need to pick up where I
just left off with Rachel. Racky with you right now.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
We were talking about the Golden Golden's in Paradise and
I said, you were like somewhere in between what in
the age groups? What is your take on this? Like
I need to know, like do you think she thought
it wasn't wholesome enough for the Goldens? And I'm like
I don't know. I think the Goldens like their drama.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I do too.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
And actually the fact that Leslie's going to be on there,
like she is super excited about doing it, and I
feel like so part of me kind of agrees with Rachel.
And maybe the reason one of the reasons that I
loved Golden was because it was so wholesome.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
But I also.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
Feel that, like I'm starting to feel kind of what
Joan expressed on Golden Bachelor, and that was they feel invisible.
I feel that sometimes at my age, and I feel
like as you get older, you just start to feel invisible.
And they deserve love, you know, they deserve to find
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it again. And if this is a way that they
can do it while they're having so much fun, because
Gary and Leslie like social, They're super social.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
They are great.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
Television, and I think, why not, like let them not
feel invisible and and and give us a great summer,
you know, of entertainment.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Oh my gosh, you're saying the exact opposite of what
I just said. I go, I feel like they're they're
they're they're they're stealing the younger people's thunder, Like they're
not going to even like do why is everything Golden
infiltrated Now.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
I think it is because it was such a success.
You know, that's I would I would think. But you
know what, we'll we'll have to see because.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
It's never been done before.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
We'll have to see if people like it, if they
actually like it, Like they might get there and be like,
what the hell am I doing here? Like I should
not be here. Who knows, Like, who knows what's going
to happen. It will all depend on the cast. And
it's really funny because we Bob and I just had
Jonathan Rohne on the podcast and I specifically asked him,
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would you do Golden Bachelor in Paradise if it was
a show not knowing that this was coming, like that
this was an announcement.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And he had just broken up with his girlfriend.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Yes, basically I think that he was like, I don't know,
you know, maybe Golden.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
Bachelor, like if I was asked to be the Bachelor.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
But yeah, I think I think it'll be really interesting.
I love the cast members that they've had. The only
thing that I feel is maybe a stretch is the
fact that they don't have a lot of cast to
draw from. You know, if there's only been two seasons,
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so they don't have a lot of cast to draw from,
and maybe that's why they're combining it, you know.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
And I wonder also how that's gonna work, Like.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Are they all going to be in the same you know,
like resort or whatever you guys called it, or are
they going to separate them and have them join together
like just hanging out during the day. Like I'm really
curious to find out what the format's going to be,
you know, how they're gonna do dates, if it's going
to be like just golden dates and then and then
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like Zoe was up there and I'm thinking, gosh, you know,
there are relationships where there's a huge age gap, Like
maybe there's going to be a golden like non golden.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Do you think that's their hope?
Speaker 6 (18:23):
I mean maybe for the producers because it would get
people talking. I don't see it happening, but I'm just really,
really really curious to see a format and who's going
to show up and what's going to happen this summer.
It's actually kind of exciting and it's getting us all talking.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
So I think that's smart.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Who has not been announced that you would most certainly
like expect to see there.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Oh, I don't even know who's been announced.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I would expect to see Nancy there. Well, I mean
I guess I always see is Leslie and Gary. Yep,
beat a big Gary, not no bachelor Gary. And I'm
just like assuming that, Oh my god, how I'm forgetting
her name? Who's the third woman?
Speaker 7 (19:10):
Susan?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Not Susan and Cathy.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Susan and Kathy obviously are going to be there, obviously.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Yeah, they'll be there for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
And then and then who was it April? Why don't
want to April? April?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, yeah, April.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
I wonder if they'll bring her back because there was
kind of some drama it seemed like between her and
the other girls.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, that would be good. And then Nancy, of course,
I think all the men want to see Nancy. And
then what about Faith Faith?
Speaker 7 (19:37):
I love Faith. I wonder if she would do it.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
But you know, I feel like, if they don't have
anything going on, it is exciting to just go hang
out at the beach. Hopefully it's going to be at
the beach this summer, and and see if there's a
love connection to be had. I don't know, I I
also think Jonathan would be great. I don't know if
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he knew about Bachelor in Paradise when we talked to him.
I would love to see him on there. Oh and
Jonathan from Gentran season, I don't know if he's been announced.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
It's definitely been there. He's great.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
Okay, Okay, what about like.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
Not old school, but older school people like Mike Johnson
and right, like, yeah, I would love to see him definitely.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Anyone who's single who was a bigger name back in
the twenty tens.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
Yeah, right, yeah, right, no.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
I And I'm you know, I think it'll all work
out as it should. But this season, I wonder about
Letia because there's not going to be a bachelorette.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Well that's what I was telling Ben. I was like,
Latia has to be in Paradise, and he was like.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
No, he doesn't think she'll do it.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I think that Ben has like thing about Paradise. He
was never there, so I think that there's like almost
sort of a stigma. Event I might be wrong. He
should be here to answer for himself, but he says
he doesn't see her doing that. And I'm like, if
there's no Bachelor Wrette, you gotta do.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
It right, and it's another chance to meet somebody, especially
if you were pretty serious.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
And it seemed like she was pretty serious.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
I mean, she might still be heartbroken even though she
seemed very solid and.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
No, she's done, she's done. That was the kind of
breakup where she like doesn't even have to mourn it
because he was, as she said, such a different person
than she thought he was. That like, she's like, oh, whoops,
I was in love with somebody who was like kind
of a figment of my imagination.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Yeah, it was heartbreaking to me, but I was like,
you go, like, just speak your truth. I loved. One
of my friends texted me and she's like, oh, oh
my gosh.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
She is such a rock star.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
And her clarity, like she really was just so clear
in her thought process and like her like the way
that she's arrested.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yes, I'm like why, I'm like, it's like the hand
of Brown moment, you know, Yeah, why can't I be
like that when I'm upset, Just be like boom boom boom,
they're my points. You can't retaliate.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
No.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
She was so clear and very articulate and so mature,
and she had all the receipts, you know, like she
was like, you said this, you said this, you said
it then then, and you said it the day before.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Like I don't know, I don't know. Grant and.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Juliana seem really happy, and I'm happy for them, and
I hope that it works because that's just who I am. Like,
I want all the couples to work out. But I
feel like unless Julianna doesn't watch the show, which could
possibly be the case because a lot of them don't
watch the show, I think she might have a hard
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time with what happened between Grant and Matia.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I was very interested. I was very interested by the
fact that they seemed so happy dory hunky dory when
they met at the end on the couch, because I
was assuming that they would be like, oh, we've gone
through it.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Right, you're so right.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
I was expecting that too, and they seem really happy.
So I wonder if she hasn't watched the show and
she's just trying to stay away from the gossip and
people talking about it, who knows. I feel like that's
kind of the only way you can be successful.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Is if you just kind of it.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
Yeah, I mean, look at like Dez and Chris.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
You know, I feel like her.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I don't think she said it was isn't exactly the same,
but I feel like her, and I think it was Brooks.
You know there was something between them and I Chris
didn't watch the show and.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Look at them.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
They've got three kids now, you know, very happy.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Good good point. This almost is the most similar. That's
the most similar scenario that I can think to this
because they were just the entire time it was Brooks,
give me Brooks, gave me Brooks, and then it was like, no,
it's Chris. And I was like, oh, was that your
default exactly? But we now know that we know that
Juliana was not his default girl. No, he definitely picked her.
(24:33):
But I do think that he picked her because he
wanted to date someone, because they said he said, I'm
looking to have fun now after playing basketball for like
my twenties, and it's like, wait a second, this is
what Rachel just brought up. Didn't you start this season
being like I am ready to be serious right now?
Speaker 6 (24:52):
One hundred. He definitely said that, and I think that's
too bad. You know that he got to the end
and he was like, oh, well, this whole timeline like
like Lytia was saying, like, I told you about my
timeline the second week, why are you bringing it up
the day before?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It was his way of getting out of it.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
Yeah, yeah, I bet.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
And I wonder if like the compatibility between them in
you know, more intimate moments was.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Made him happier with Juliana.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Who knows.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Okay, maybe there was more physical compatibility between them, and
he realized that later on. I don't know, but if
I was Letia, I would be pissed too, because he
definitely if he said all of those things, and I
one hundred percent believe that he said those things to her,
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that that is one hundred percent leading her on, like
and he was like, what do you think that I was?
Speaker 7 (25:56):
Did he say leading you on or misleading? Do you
think that I was leading? And She's like, yes, you.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Said let's get engaged tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I know, and actually I So it's funny because Ryan
ended up watching the last half of the show with me,
or the last little part, like maybe fifteen minutes, and
I was like, that is why you don't tell people,
at least multiple people that you love them, Like you
don't say all of these things you have to be
thoughtful about what you're saying. And with Ryan and I
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it was similar in the well the opposite. So I
didn't say I love you to anybody, and I waited
to even tell him even though I was in love
with him until we were standing face to face and
getting engaged because Alex Michelle told me two days before
the final Rose ceremony that he was going to pick me,
(26:52):
and so I totally went into it thinking, like Letia,
like I'm getting engaged today and it just breaks your heart,
Like as didn't tell me all of the rest of.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Those things that Grant told Lytia. So I don't, and
I don't.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
I don't claim to know what she's going through in
terms of that, but I do know that it is
heartbreaking when you are thinking one thing that your life
is about to change in the best way then the
way that you hoped for when you started the show,
and then all of a sudden you're like.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Whoa, whoa, whoa is this reality? Like what is happening?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Well, he just took it a step further because now
on the show you're like, oh, if you say I
love you doesn't mean it's necessarily me because we've seen
it before where it's not actually that person and if
you are a scholar of Bachelor history and you're on
the show, you could know that. Yeah, and the but
Grant really took it a step further by saying like
(27:50):
you're the one stop the show blah blah blah, and
I'm like, totally they they protected him.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
They did not show any of that to us, just
until the very end. So I mean, Letia will land
on her feet. She is I feel like the whole package.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
Oh yeah, my gosh. I just I love her. If
they were having Bachelorette she would be but never chee win.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I felt more connected to her than I felt connected
to a Bachelor contestant in a while.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
Yeah, I loved her.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Maybe I guess Joey. I guess we all like Joey. Actually,
I liked Joey on Charity season was great, Yeah, but
I didn't like wasn't like obsessed with it, Like, of
course not suss with Joey, but like I didn't think.
I didn't think like, wow, this is a great Bachelor
character until he was like announced as the lead. Then
he like had that haircut and like kind of a
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glow up and he was, and everybody was making like
the tiktoks about it, and I was like, Oh, I
love what he's doing for the franchise, and I feel
like I love what Latilla has done for me. Is
a your as well. Finally somebody who I'm like, no, girl,
you rock. You find someone really really deserving of you.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Yes, she deserves it. And I really really really hope
that she opens up her heart again because when she
said that, I've never said I love you to anybody
I've ever been in a relationship with, because I feel
like it opens the doors to me being hurt or
it's more likely that I'm going to be hurt or
that's going to be taken away from me. Oh. It
broke my heart because I was like, she just opened
(29:30):
up and did this, and then she got her heart broken.
So I really really hope that that doesn't dissuade her
from opening her heart again.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah. All right, Well we have Bob coming on next.
Is there anything that you think that Bob would be
especially wonderful at talking about recording this episode.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
I think the Golden stuff for sure, because he's met
a lot of those people you know with you or
you know, I don't. I don't know that you were there,
but I feel like he's met a bunch of the
Golden people, so I think he'll have a good insight
into how that's going to go down. And I think
he'll he'll speak his mind when it comes to how
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he feels about Golden Bachelor in Paradise just in general,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, alrighty, thanks Trista. We're going to get him on now,
talk about I know he'll be so good. Oh yeah, Trista,
thank you so much for all of your thoughts.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
Of course, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Bob.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Hello there, Well, hi, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 5 (30:33):
I am great? How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I'm doing fine. I wanted to ask you because Trista
told me that you would have some interesting insight into
this announcement that Paradise is going golden.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
So yes, I'm actually very excited about this, and I think,
you know, I've had some conversations with people where they
think it could be a little gross.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
I think it could be a little awesome, you know.
I mean, I love the building cast.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
I spent a lot of time with them, and I
feel like there's a couple of people there in particular
who will be really fun and make it very memorable.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
So you know, I don't know. I mean, what are
your thoughts on it?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Well, my thoughts are probably unpopular. I just like, I
don't want more, I don't want time taking away from
the Traditional Paradise. I would have liked a totally separate
Golden Golden in Paradise. Yeah, or at least like a
separate show. So we have two hours of Traditional Paradise
and then like an hour of Golden Paradise. That'd be
fun on a different day. Usually it's like Monday and Tuesday.
(31:37):
So I'm down for that. Do you see there being
a possible problem with like there being a crossover couple?
Speaker 8 (31:47):
Wait a minute, are you telling me that they're going
to have Goldens on the same season with the traditional.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Oh, I thought it was going to be all Goldens.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Oh boy, Young Young and there's a crossover couple.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
What in the world.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah, Okay, now I'm bothered.
Speaker 8 (32:11):
No, I wouldn't say that I'm bothered, but now I'm like,
I'm a little taken aback.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Okay, I'm a little little taken aback. That's interesting, that's interesting.
Speaker 8 (32:21):
Okay, now I see why why there's uh, I see
why there's.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
The apprehension now, all right, So.
Speaker 8 (32:28):
Yes, I can see the apprehension. I don't foresee a
crossover couple. I foresee everybody staying in their lane.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
It could be across flirting.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Yeah, yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 8 (32:40):
A couple of the a couple of the you know,
the golden guys will probably flirt with everybody, right, especially
if they cast a few people on there.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I could see that double standard. It'll be sort of
sweet to see if the younger guys are flirting with
the older ladies, but it would be so creepy to
see the older guy looking at the younger women.
Speaker 8 (33:02):
Yeah, there's gonna need to be some camp counseling prior
to arriving to that island, and it's gonna have to
be like, okay, guys, look, stay in your lane, don't
be that creepy grandpa. And then you know, all right,
young young dudes, you can be flirty and fun, but
don't go you know, don't.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Yeah, be ridiculous. I don't know. It's gonna be interesting.
It's definitely gonna be interesting. Now that. Wow, I totally
misunderstood what was happening here.
Speaker 8 (33:31):
Oh my God, Okay, I got a whole new reboot
on my thought process, I was thinking full golden Paradise,
and I thought that'd be awesome. And then but I
also thought, like you were saying, like a conventional paradise
or dare we say, a younger paradise as well. And
so that's kind of what I was thinking, was two
separate shows running at the same time. I didn't realize
that they'd be running at the same place at the
(33:52):
same time that that could be interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
It's it's unclear how they will handle where, who's day where,
and it'll be at a new resort. So what's your
general takeaway.
Speaker 8 (34:05):
You know, I mean, okay, I feel I watched I
watched an episode that you invented recently about your thoughts
on I'm not really feeling like you've gotten to know
this bachelor. And I feel the same way like I
feel like i'm sort of I feel like I like them,
I like what I know, but I don't feel like
I'm not to that next level where I feel like
(34:26):
I know this dude, super nice guy yep. And so
I'm hopeful, you know, I'm hopeful about this one that
it all works out and and you know, I mean
I was. I was hoping for that union. I was
hoping for the two of them to end up together.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
You were hoping for Juliana.
Speaker 8 (34:42):
I actually was, yeah, And I know I think I was.
I was a rarity there as well, right, because everyone's
sort of but see, here's my here's my thought process.
Like I feel like, you know, what's old is new again, right,
And what The Bachelor did on this particular season was,
I think was what they used to do back in
the early seasons, where they always make you think the
runner up is going to be your you know, the
(35:05):
final Rose recipient, and so you buy it's by everything
that you're watching on the show. You're like, oh, it's
obviously going to be Letia, Whereas I, on the other hand,
was like, I feel like this is an old school
bait and switch move they're doing to me. I think
Juliana is the one that he's vibing with, and they're
trying to make me think it's the other one l
And so I was sort of like banking on Juliana,
(35:27):
and I do think they have like, you know, here's
what's going to be tough, right, is that every season
and we know of one in particular very well. That
ends with the guy saying he loves both women.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
He's already done his rant about it today.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
Yes, yes, yes, but I understand it, like I really
do understand it, and I don't think people who don't
go through a show like this could possibly understand it
that how is it at the end of the season,
I end up saying I love you to two different people.
I will say on my season, I definitely had very
strong feelings for both of my final too, and so
I almost did the opposite, Whereas you know, because of
(36:04):
my fear of emotional commitment at that time, I like
put the brakes on completely and didn't propose to anybody.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Right was that the right answer? I don't know.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
But you see these people that go through this experience,
and at the end of it, they're like sitting there,
really torn between two people, and it doesn't seem like
that should be the case that anyone would have that
kind of feeling. But when they do, you know, and
then they make their decision, I feel like maybe that
gives them a better chance of you know, they they've
been through a little bit of trial and tribulation. They
(36:34):
had to make a decision that wasn't obvious. And you know,
I mean I always think about for me, you know,
I mean I was unlucky in love until my wife now.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
And you know, I when we first were.
Speaker 8 (36:45):
Together, I remember thinking, well, this is just gonna be
casual because I don't I don't want this, you know,
to I don't want to be in a serious relationship.
And you know, the whole time, like jokingly, twelve years
later with two children, and she's always like, yeah, we
got two casual kids. We spent twelve casual years. You know,
she mess with me. But you know, sometimes I feel
like maybe people go through that challenge early and then
(37:06):
they end up on the other side of it and
they're so thankful they went through it, you know. And
I mean, I don't know, I think that there's something
to it. I don't know, if you're outside of the
circumstance of the Bachelor, Aura, does that argument stand. No,
it doesn't, but you know, in these circumstances, maybe it does. Bob.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I appreciate that perspective because it is different than what
us ladies have been talking about earlier in the episode.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
So thank you for that, and I get it.
Speaker 8 (37:30):
I think I think if I'm a lady and this
dude is told and I have to watch this finale
where I know I'm going to be the one with
the ring at the end of this thing. And I
see him telling another girl the same thing he told me,
I would lose my mind.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, Bob, thanks for joining us. We're gonna get Susie
on here next and awesome. See we'll see her take
on all of this.
Speaker 8 (37:51):
I'm excited to hear it. Thank you for having me, Ashley,
always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Joy Mexico. Bye, Nah, Susie Evans is joining us. Now, Susie,
you were the winner of a season in which the
lead said I love you to multiple people, led on
(38:17):
multiple people. You might want to say, how does it
feel being in Juliana's shoes?
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Now?
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I had so much empathy for her last night and
compassion for both of them because it was just it
was so sad to watch here because you're like watching
Letia go through this and you're like rooting for her
and you're like, grand so worse, Oh my god, how
did he do this? And then you see that he
also like has this strong relationship with Juliana and he
(38:46):
loves her too, and that she's this beautiful, kind person
and like she just yeah, it's so it's so complicated.
It feels like it feels like shit. If I'm being honest,
like I remember that feeling, and it's like, Okay, nobody
wants to celebrate us. Nobody wants to, you know, embrace us,
like we came off and we felt Me and Clayton
felt like the rejects of like Bachelor Nation for a
(39:08):
long time, to be honest, and it's like it's a
really hard position to be in, but it's tough. I'm like,
I just sent to your message before getting on here,
like you did amazing and you know I'm here for you.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Oh that's sweet, because yeah, that's my issue. It's like
I'm sorry, Julianna, have absolutely nothing against you. I'm just
not thinking about you today. I'm just thinking about let
yeah I know.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
That was like the press little press thing we did
after our season. Every it's like we joined. It's like, okay,
we're the happy couple and it's like so Gabby and
Rachel and I was like, oh no, we're not going
to talk about Clayton. I okay, cool, coo cool, Like
it's it really is like you know, that's just how
it goes for in these scenarios. Specifically, I think.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Mm hmm, you saw Clayton last night. You were in
the audience.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah, yeah, we sat like kitty corner to each other's
right behind me.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
How U how long has it been since you guys
saw each other?
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I think I saw him last summer.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Okay, So it's not like super awkward if you guys
get put together in a moment like that.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
We talked so much shit. Literally, the producers were like, hey, like,
is Clayton's going to be there? I don't know, And
they texted him and I was like, oh my god,
no worries. And he wrote back, was like she's the worst.
Don't sit here by me. And they're like, oh god,
what's gonna happen. He's like, you guys, I'm kidding. We're fine.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
That's hilarious. Yeah. So what do you think about the
fact that they seemingly I want to say that they
kind of they protected they protected Grant by like having
a panel with Clayton on there, just just to kind
of show like, hey, guys, this happens. Sometimes people are
(40:50):
really confused at the end and they say, I love
you to two people. And then they also didn't show
us a lot of the times that Grant had said
really affirming things to Latia.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
I know, well that's the hard part because as as
much as I do want to celebrate Grant and Juliana,
I also am like realistically it felt messed up like
watching it and it's just really complicated. But I do
have a lot of compassion because I know, like first hand,
(41:25):
I read Clayton's journal. He literally sat down and he
like like showed me the pages of his journal where
he like genuinely thought he was in love with three
people and was so confused. And so I obviously don't
know the position Grant was, and it seemed like he
was like Julia or you know, all in on Latia,
and then it seemed like there was a switch up.
(41:46):
I don't know, but I think the show, I mean
to an extent, I feel like people didn't embrace this
season entirely, which I feel like Clayton went through that
same thing, where like from the get go, like people
weren't really like into it, and you have to have
something to root for, and we don't have a Bachelorette season,
(42:07):
so we don't so Latia is just going out into
the world right now, so it's like you got to
root for somebody, so they're really like they have to
do something. And I think Grant is a good person.
He I do just think he was confused. So I think, yeah,
I think the panel was a good idea because it
is true even like Charity, who I think is like
so respected and so like she's, you know, just this
(42:29):
great person in bacheloration that people like look to and
are like, oh, she's like her relationship is working. She's
a good human. But she told to people that she
loved them too, and she's like it is very confusing
when you get to the end.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
I know, I know, I just feel like it was
I know that I feel like a broken record. We've
been recapping this episode for like two hours now, and
I just keep coming back to the fact that like Clayton,
even he was a very flawed bachelor, but he seemed
to be like racked over his decision making, and like,
(43:03):
you know, we had like these huge emotional moments from him. Yeah,
and with Grant, it was just kind of like, Okay,
here's my decision. It was hard. Yeah, we didn't we
didn't get a lot of emotion from Grant.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
I yeah, you know what. I thought that too. I
felt like there wasn't a jump the fence. He wasn't
saying I'm so broken we didn't get sat But I
will say, and this is just me looking at the
at his face. He looked sick to his stomach the
last like two episodes, I know, and like every time
(43:38):
I would see him, I was just like, he either
has a stomach bug or like he has major anxieties.
I was like, I've been there and I know that feeling,
because his face just looked like he just looked unwell.
Even when he was like talking to both the girls,
I was like, he doesn't look good. But I don't
know if that's because he was like so stressed about it.
(43:59):
But yeah, we never saw this emotional breakdown. But then
I'm also like, some people aren't like that.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
It's probably what it was. He probably very vocal about
his anxieties.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
That's true, but I know, I mean, you're a crier.
I'm a crier. I'm a baby, so it's like I
can't relate. I'm like I would literally be in shambles.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Maybe that's why I'm so weirded out. By it. Yeah,
it keeps it all in. I can't really Susie any
final thoughts about this season.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Oh man, I guess just like my thoughts are like
to everybody, I'm like, be kind. It's like, it is
so hard to be in that position. It really is
so hard to be on such a public platform and
not feel like people want to celebrate you or your love.
And like, yeah, you know, I hope that it's the
right they're the right match, you never know, but if
nothing else, I hope that they're both okay and that
(44:50):
people are nice to them online for the most part.
You know, you can give Grant a little bit of
a hard time, but like, but don't give Juliana anything.
She's she's apposed.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yes, Juliana is one percent out of this equation. It's
glad that they're moving to Boston to be close to
her family because I just think that was a non negotiable.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, and I would love a follow up with her
dad to see like what he really thinks after watching this.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Yeah, it's painful, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, all righty Well, thank you Susie, and thank you
to everybody on this panel, and thank you all out
there for listening to us recap Grant season, and up
next we have Actulor in Paradise, which, Susie, are you
going to be there with Justin?
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Oh gosh, we'll throw Clayton in too, why not, let's all.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Both of them. I know that you and Clayton won't. Ever,
that's not a reconcilable path. I don't think that I
with Justin. I think that would be some big emotions there.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
I'd be sick to my stomach. Yeah, I got I
think everyone has big decisions to make.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
I'm sure, and I think I'll see you all there.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
You think so?
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Yeah? I think so, all of you, all three of us,
all three of you.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
It's X on the Beach.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
I like that already. Yeah, let's call it Bachelor of
Paradise meets X on the Beach. See you guys, bye.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
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