April 29, 2024 • 52 mins
Ben and Ashley are hanging out with one of our favorite Bachelorettes, Hannah Brown!
We hear how things are going with her fiancé, and what happened when he told her he knew about her “secret Tik Toks”.
Plus, Hannah opens up about what it was like reuniting with Tyler Cameron on his new show, and we get all the details on Hannah’s new romance novel!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the Almost Famous Podcast. Today,
we have a like we know, we always say this
a lot, but we have a very special guest, like
she's exclusive everybody to get her, okay, and I'm like
a little giddy. I put makeup on for this, Like
everybody knows that. When I put makeup on for an interview,
it's like, okay, this is like a bachelor a lister.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
So so for example, if Ashley and I just do
an interview with each other.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Like like a roll out of bed anyway, but don't
say anything our guest, don't say anything. You're giggling in
the background, which I like that tease. But look what
we have that I cut vegetables on on the regular.
I've in a windmill and guess what we did it
a second time on a freaking cunning board.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Okay, now you can speak, Hi, Hannah, I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I didn't know they made those, but I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I don't know. During your season, somebody sent this to
us and it is my favorite cutting board. And then
Jared and I are always like, like, at what point
do we have to hide this because like Dawson will
be able to read.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Well, it's a quality cutting board.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, Hi, Ana Brown, how you doing?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I'm doing great?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
How are y'all so good?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
We have a lot to talk to you about today.
You are as usual doing Uh. I wouldn't say a
lot because a lot makes it just sound like you're
doing a lot. You're doing a lot of things well
right now and you have been like you don't lose
like ever.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yeah. I really need to hear that now because sometimes
I'm like, what am I doing?
Speaker 6 (01:50):
But yeah, right now I do feel like I'm doing
it a lot.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Well.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I want you to add well though.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Okay, thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
So this is where I want to start the show.
Though we're going to talk about the podcast, We're going
to talk about the book, We're going to talk about
life now, your move and all of that. But I
was driving today and I was like, what is the
thing that I want to know from Hannah? Like, what
is it that I want on because what we've seen
from you is what we've seen from you is you
dominated kind of the media circus that happens after the show,
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and you did it so well and you went on
to compete in a couple other shows and do those
so well, and then something interesting happened this summer is
when you went to Paradise and I felt like everybody
loves you so much and that's great, but they were
like really hyping you up. And what I thought was
that has to be kind of hard for you because
it's like people are holding you to a very high standard.
(02:48):
And granted that's a gift that they know even do that,
but I want to notice start this thing off, Hannah Brown,
can you give us an example, so everybody out here
feels like you're human of a time in the last
two years or recently that you have lost that you
feel like you fell short, that something hasn't worked out
to your plan.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Oh my gosh, it's so interesting, like to hear other
people talk about you in a certain way. It's very
different than the way that I view myself. And I'm
trying to really work on that. Like I guess, I'm
trying to think of like what an instance of it's
a lot of like just self talk that I always
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feel like I'm not doing thing as.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Well, You've failed that nothing.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You have a really hot fiance too, your personal life
is thriving.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
No, oh my gosh, that's so like, Yes, I have
the best fiance, and I'm so thankful for my personal
life being at the place that it is now.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
There's so much behind the.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Scenes and hard work and failures in the process of
a success. I feel like that sometimes just people don't
see you don't assume or you know, I'm in such
a shit show of emotions that I can't.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Present at that time. That's normally what it is.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
If you're not seeing me, it's because I'm unwell the
point of like people will be like, do we need
to like intervene or something going on? Like I've had
those moments all in between, but just continue to like
go through. I mean, one example I can have because
I think it's so funny for me now because I
have had some of these successes very like it's almost
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bizarre to me that people like think of me as
like winning because in my past even before like I
did pageants, I competed in pageants for like years and
years and years and before I won Missaving Us say,
like I didn't even place in the top ten for years,
which like usually people like, you know you play so
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you you know, you're always like creeping up and then
you eventually like do your time and you win the thing.
And so I I remember going to that pageant that
I won and being in the car and be like
why am I doing this to myself again, and my
mom being like, well, like, you.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Know, you're like a first place loser.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
At this point, like I had just gotten so good
at just being able, being like I put myself out
there and I've worked so hard, and then just like
not seeing anything like come from it and then having
to kind of like deal with how that made me
feel about myself. So it's funny because and even when
I got to miss USA, like I didn't place at all,
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like and I was just I was just happy, honestly,
like just happy to be there because before it just
it was almost like just a true dream come true
and kind of giving up at that point, and to
now people being like thinking of me as somebody who
just like wins everything, because I really I didn't I
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showed up. I will say I think I show up,
But I've had a lot of things in my life
and even just like personally like feeling definitely not like
a winner. I've just had some of my like moments
of actually achieving the thing on TV and so that
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get what people, I guess just think of. But that's
just like not the case behind the scenes and like
everyday life things. Everything that I do right now, I'm like,
you know, whether it's the podcast and the book I
can I always think I could be winning more and
in some in some way, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
What is it about TV that makes you win? Like,
is that the pressure is on?
Speaker 7 (06:42):
I think?
Speaker 6 (06:44):
So I think the things that I've done, I go
into okay, actually I know this. Sorry, I like to
start sentence since don't finish them.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I do that too.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
It's really bad.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
And that's one of the reasons I initially related to
I was like, yeah, I love how this girl just
like just just talks with her mind.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
What am I saying? I don't ever know, but I
I feel like real life is really hard for me.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
But when I'm put in like certain like weird situations
where like I'm bubbled and there's only one thing that
I can think of, it's kind of like there's only
one sentence I can I can finish at one time,
versus like all the other thoughts in my head going on.
If that made any sense.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Probably not.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
But I feel like when I'm in like controled space
and there's like one mission, I can really hone in
on that and just be dialed in and nothing else matters,
Like genuinely, nothing else matter matters. And I'm like, I'm
just doing this dance show. I'm just doing this survival
special Force of show. I'm just doing this thing trying
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to find love. Like I just get really focused in.
And that's not real life though, Like There's always going
to be distractions and things that come up in different feelings,
in different situations going on all around you. So in
real life, like I don't I don't always win, But
when I have something that's just like one thing to
focus on, I do well with that.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
What's the thing right now? Like what would you be
focusing in on? I mean, I know the book comes
out May seventh, but you know I've walked through the
releasing of a book process You've obviously have as well.
It's hard to like really figure out, I feel like,
how to like focus in on the releasing of a book.
Like you do the media, you do the prep, you
do the everything you need to do to kind of
make it work. But once it's out there. It's out
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of your control to kind of focus on. It's up
to people to buy or not to buy, to read
or not to read. So maybe that's it. Maybe you're
finding out a way to focus in on this better
than I did, and that's why your books are so successful.
But right now, what is like taking up your main focus?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
The book really is taking up most of my focus
right now. I'll like do anything in every thing to
just have people hear about the book.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
But like you said, it is.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
It's different, and there's like it's nuance, and it's not
just like this is a certain way that you win
or get people to sell the books. Like it's it's
not like people have so many other things that they're competing.
I'm competing yet so many different authors, so many different
ways that people can like use their time.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
So it's not the same type of thing.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
And this has actually been something I really talk a
lot about in therapy because, like I said, real life,
even just like real work life is harder for me
because it's not so like this is the thing that
you do. Everything else stops when you do these shows
like and I do great in that, but that is
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just not real life, and not even real like work
life too, So I don't really.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Have anything else because that's like that other.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Than when I'm doing a TV show that I feel like, man,
I can like I can do this, So.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I guess somebody's gotta find me something else to be on.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Okay, So you had God Bless This Mess, your basically
autobiography come out a couple of years ago, and now
this is a romance fiction novel.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
It's called Mistakes.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
We Never Made. How is it promoting a book that's
all about like your personal story versus one that is
pretty much made up.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
It's such a different experience, for sure. I feel like
the first book was definitely more.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
It was.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
It was harder in different ways too, like more emotionally exhausting.
It was very vulnerable to have to like show up
and be like, this is my story from from an
and from my account of everything that's happened in my
life and then have everybody kind of like judge that
or I think, see you did differently.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
And in some ways it was really great.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
For the most part, I feel like people actually got
to see like me more as a full person. But
that was really vulnerable and hard. Where this project is
really hard is that, yeah, it's creating a whole universe
and having to like really work that creative muscle. And
it took a lot of work, just like trying to
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make plot points and plan everything out and make sure
that this world really felt human and real.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
So very different.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Experiences, but both I think the importance and in both
of these projects is still truth. So obviously that was
my true story, but in this fiction book, this work
of fiction, I think what really makes it resonate with
people is where if it's coming from a place of truth,
and so the thoughts and the feelings and the doubts
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and the way that these characters work come from somewhere
that's really real inside of me. And so that's kind
of where they both intertwine as different pieces of work.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Is it based at all on any of your real
life romances?
Speaker 6 (12:19):
So I like to say that it's not just one person,
but there's little sprinkles in of like some greatest hits
in my life.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Cute. Yeah, yeah, I mean one of the interesting things
here about writing fiction is this is coming from your
imagination or your fantasy or your your life experience kind
of leading up into one how like, how long did
this story do you believe, not in its entirety, but
kind of maybe in its moments, live inside of you
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until now it's coming out in this full form.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Gosh, I would say when it's been years, because I
always wanted to get into writing in some way of
like the big dream that I had thought of some
of the things that I've been able to do in
the past few years where things I couldn't have ever
dreamt up, like could have never imagined that I've had
the opportunity to do. But I always had a big
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dream of writing some type of novel, and this project
kind of came to me. And because when I had
my first meeting with an agent, like right after the
Bachelorette and they're like, what do you want to do?
Of course this was like, oh my god, I don't
know what I want to do, but here's like this
big dream I have. So it's been a long time process.
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Started on a similar idea that ended up not working out,
and then came back to this about I don't even.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Know time at this point. I feel like it's been.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Probably around two years, but hearts of this book and
idea have been like in my brain for you know,
since probably like college at some point. But I also
had and always want to credit the help that I had.
I had a co author, Emily Larrabee, that really helped
be able to take all these seeds of ideas and
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thoughts and the type of characters that I wanted to
create to really make a well thaw out organized story
because as you can tell, I can barely talk.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
This is what she says.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
But I think that you're very articulate. I think you
express yourself amazingly.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
But it was really great to be able to work
with somebody who you know, as a professional at this
and then this for years and years and her help
challenge me and help poke calls and things and be
able to really like make something whole and beautiful. And
I'm really really proud of this book and what we've created.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
If you were to summarize or to sell it to
the listeners and you know a short period of time here,
what can like, why would they want to pick this
book up outside of it being from you and then
loving you? What about this book do you think they're
going to engage with?
Speaker 6 (15:18):
I want people to really get to kind of go
on this journey with the main character Emma, who really
struggles with which I think a lot of a struggle
with like knowing like where it's our place, why we
kind of respond and react the way that we do
towards things, especially big things like love and.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Really get that.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
I think one of the scariest things that we can
do and one of the things that can lead we
can think can lead to the most mistakes in life
is taking that risk for love and that it's never
wrong to make them, make them mistake along the way
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to finding real love and peace and happiness. And that
kind of goes to what I was saying we were
talking about earlier about like all the things that I've
done in our life and like winning, losing all the things.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I think it's just showing.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Up and doing it scared and believing that the other
side of it you're either going to learn You're going
to learn from it or grow for amo same way,
and or you could just like really find like the
love of your life.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
So take the risk and make the mistakes.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, how did you meet you the love of your life?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
How did you do not to meet on a dating app?
Speaker 7 (16:41):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Really? Which one?
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Yeah? Hinge?
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
You too, both on Hinge Like now jackpot, So what
was how did the first date come about? Was he
like one of those guys that prolongs the messaging?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Oh no, it was like the second message.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
So I got tired of stuff I was doing, like
one of my friends, like, we're done with all this,
and she took me a trip to Cago and she
was like, we're getting me back out there. We're doing
the thing, and she made me the stating profile. One night,
like over a glass of wine, we did the whole
thing and go to Cago.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
We put out the profile, and I got really lucky,
Like I ben thought, Okay, I'm just gonna like make
content about this and this will be great.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
People like I'll just go on these dates and talk
about it. And I started doing that and they were
doing really great and it was really fun. And then
I popped up on like the profile and I actually
liked his photo first, and I liked the one photo
because but on each of our profile we had a
picture on this same street that ended up being the
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street that I was living on at the time, So
I liked that photo. And then he saw my profile
and saw that I had on the same street and
he was like, oh, you're You're on my street and
I was like, wait, you're on mine, like I live here.
So we ended up living three houses.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Down from each other.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Whoa And it was so cute and I had just
moved but when I started the profile, I was there
and so anyway, but it was still like down the
street and yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
He like that was our little conversation and he was like, hey,
I'd love to get.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
To know you better, like do you want to go
get a drink this Thursday?
Speaker 4 (18:31):
And I was like perfect. So yeah, he was very.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
Direct and I love that. I would be like any
advice I have for anybody on the apps, like that
is so important, Like we don't have time to just
go back and forth on this app. We need to
like see each other or at least get a voice
memo or something going because.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
He can't do that.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So when did he bring up or did you bring up? Like, okay,
elephant in the room, you know I was the bachelorette
because you're not like really like one of those battes
that you can just you couldn't hide that you were
the bachelor, like like the country knew Hannah Brown was.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
The bachelorette yeah, So he did not know who I
was at first, Like when he saw my profile, he
was just like, oh, like.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
I had a really good profile. We'll see it was good.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
It had all the different hands you needed in there
and like it was it was top notch.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
But he was like, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
There was just something in me that was like I'm
gonna just try to like type in like the stuff
that I know about you from your profile, and of
course he sees who I am, like it's like a
few minutes before he goes into the date. And with
seeing that I was making these videos of going on
these dates, about these guys that would go to the
boundary during the date and know what was going on,
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and he was like okay, like he knew what was happening.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
It was so funny.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Didn't say anything until I go to the bathroom and
he goes, are you gonna leave.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Your phone there? Are you taking the phone with you?
Speaker 5 (20:03):
And it was very obvious he had like seen he
was like, oh my goes like I hadn't videoed anything
with this, and I hadn't because I saw him, I
was like, oh, like I immediately like was like.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I just want to like see this one through.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
So then of course we talked about it, but I
still don't think he really under understood Bachelor Nation or
the show that much.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I mean, of course he had heard.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
About it, but didn't know like how that would be
a part of our lives and our journey until we
really got into it, because I kind of kept our
relationship to ourself to myself for a while and then
he really got got.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Thrown into it.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
There's there's a lot here that I First off, you know,
I'm sure there's so many saddened that that profile couldn't
have lived a little bit longer and had a little
more life span, especially since it was so good. Kind
of sounds like it came in away. Second, I've never
met ad him. I'm assuming he's a very good man
if he literally held on to this secret of you
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filming these dates until the perfect moment. I love that move.
What a great move by him, What an incredible just like, yeah,
you don't you don't scare me, hand a Brown, Yes,
when did you know he was the one? Like I
wanted to hear you that this was not only something
you want to pursue, but something now that you wanted
to commit to.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Gosh, I don't think it was really a moment.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
For me. I have always I think from the show,
I'm so thankful for it totally.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
But there was a lot that that hurt me. In between.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
There were stories that I was starting to tell tell
myself about love who I am.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Oh, yeah it was, it was.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
It was hard, and even when I met Adam, I
wasn't I was trying to like move on, but wasn't
really looking for a long term thing at the point,
Like I just I thought there was something like broken
about me, and.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
And I was. I had a lot that I was
dealing with.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
And one of my main stories that I tell myself
is I'm a burden and so that's why I really
like can close up and is slate and I only want.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
People to see me when I'm good, And I knew.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
I was like, I'm like I'm not good, Like I
can I can like show up for a date, but
like if somebody really is coming into my world right now,
like it's it's not.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Awesome.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
And I only I thought that the only way somebody
can love me is if I can show up those ways, and.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
He really showed me through.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Our first was her first like until like this past year,
like first three two and a half years of relationship
was really hard, and he showed me that I was
lovable in any way that I showed up and when
I was at my absolute.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Worst, like he loved me and showed up for me
and was there for me. So it really was like.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Not a moment, but just the consistency of him showing
me that I was lovable and worthy and even at
my absolute lowest of low and that just made me
realize like, oh, this is somebody that I want to
do life with and have like really great times with
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and be able and know that we can get through
really hard times too.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
My final relationship question here, how is that experience from him?
And this can happen vice versa. I'm sure if he
was sitting here too, he would say that you've done
the same for him in so many different ways. But
we're talking to you now, so we're going to focus
on you. How has his consistency in allowing you to
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show up in whatever space you're in, proving to you
that you are lovable? How has that changed you or
not changed you?
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Now?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Like as you sit here today as a person.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Oh, it's changed me so much like really knowing that.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Really, I mean, it was the first time that I
really knew and believed that I didn't have to perform
for love has been just like such a huge experience
or even like in love in any way love and
relationships of course romantically, but also in the relationships with
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friends with family, Like the love that I deserve is
to be able to show up as I am and
be vulnerable in that way, and that there are people
that will.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Love me.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
For who I am and as I am in that
time and will ride the ways with me and but
also challenge me.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I think that's all. It's not that like Adam is
somebody that just allows me to be.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
In a you know, in in all the that he
allows me to be in the emotions, but he does
speak truth and light into into who I really am.
Even when I don't feel or believe those good things
about me. He always like tries to lift me up.
And so it's really changed the way that I view
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what like love is just in general, like my definition
of love has changed so much.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
What I believed it was to.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Fall in love with someone or be in love with
someone is like a totally different experience I've had to
really relearn, and it takes a lot of work, and
especially if you have like a tough background when it
comes to like love, like what love was like.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
In your.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
In your household, in your like previous relationships, there's a
lot of unlearning that has to be done and it
can be really really painful and hard to like gosh,
realize like what you think about yourself or how you've
continued these patterns. And but man, I've just had like
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a rock with me the whole time. And he's also
like like you you said, Ben, like he has its
own stuff. He is he is great and awesome, but
he is not He is not perfect. And it's been
really cool to also go on this journey with him
to be able to call out the the things in
his life that he's believed about himself, whether that's being
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broken or burden or whatever, and really.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Be able to lift each other up together. It's been
really cool and I'm so thankful.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Really, this is so special. I'm so glad that you've
gone through this and that you have each other. Why
did you mc guys decide to make the move to
Nashville versus La?
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Yeah, so we met in La. But Adam had lived
here for seven years before he lived in LA for.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
A bit, and I always thought I would end up
in Nashville because I'm from Alabama.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
My hometown's like three and a half hours away and
always easy.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
That's nice.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Yeah, it's great because it's still it's like booming, but
there's a lot to do. But I also can be
close to my family. And it was so weird. We
we had an amazing place in Santa Monica.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I know, I remember seeing it on Instagram all the time.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It was beautiful, it.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Was so beautiful.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
The rent was absolutely insane, to be honest, like it was.
It was crazy, and but I was like, this is
where I want to live, but we need more space.
And it would go went from our crazy rent to like,
you know, a lot of million dollar house the eight
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million dollar houses. I'm like, I'm not there, spoiler, I'm
not there yet. And I was like, what are we
gonna do? Are we going to keep just like spending
this much on rent? Like but then I don't want
to leave this tamp this this place. But I always
had like Nashville in the back of my mind, and
we're like okay, We're like, look, we can always come
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back here. We were thinking about our our at least
was coming up doing something else, and Nashville came up
in the conversation and then we were like we're to
sleep on.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
And then the next day Adam gets a.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
Call from an old employer in Nashville ask him if
he wanted to get back into his old job, and
that like just seeing if he would, if he'd be
interested in like what our plans were.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
So it was so weird. Literally the next day that's.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
About and then yeah, we ended up being like, well
this is a sign and he's not even still with
that job, but that's what brought us.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Out here, And yeah, I really love it. I had
a hard time this summer, I mean this winter.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Because it was dark and you were seeing all your
friends in La and it's so nice.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I know, I guess that was really hard, but like
now you know, i'll have one good month.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
You'll have way more than one. Well, he does get
super hot and he went there, but still it's better
that then.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Wild they complain about any weather. I had four foot
of snow.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
I mean, you like it, I genuinely could. I I'm
here again. I can never see snow again and be happy.
I hate the cold.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I don't agree.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Yeah, I want to be warm.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
I actually I just want to be like in a
nice sixty five with a light breeze at all times,
which is LA.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
So I'm like that I missed that a lot. But
the community here's really great.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
National is a great place. You're gonna love it, I
think fits you.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, it seems like you're like Nashville Barbie.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
All right, I'll take that.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
I'm still like trying to like get I mean, we've
made some so many great great friends here, but still
trying to like get involved in the community and stuff.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
But yeah, it makes sense, It totally makes sense.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
I'm still like super Southern to the core, but I
want I love being in a place that has like
a lot to do and offers a lot as far
as just like.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
For our future. And I'm happy.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
But I'm going to LA next week to like get
my little fix and then I'll come home.
Speaker 8 (30:59):
I do that too.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
You'll learn to love it more when you can only
be out there for a week, trust me.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
All right.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I have two questions kind of back to back, but
it starts with one and it's going to end on
the other. I'm hearing your story now since we've talked
about your book, and this main character Emma in your
book is Emma you like, it sounds like a lot
of what you're talking about when it comes to your
insecurities and your relationship with Adam and then kind of
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your move and your thought process on life. It sounds
a lot like what you're teasing for the book.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Yeah, she's a part of me.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
So the way this book kind of all came about
was actually through the female friendship in the book. I
really I think one of the greatest loves of your
life can be with your friends. And so it started
with the idea of this were for this group of
girls in the book being different parts of who I am.
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I mean, there's there's an obvious character like Nikki, who
was one of the girls in the front in the
girl group, like she was the the lead on a
show called Love By where it was a dating show.
There's there's Sybil, who's kind of the one that just
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floats around and can't really commit to things and can
be just interesting, kind of complicated, but like lovable. And
then there's Emma, who's definitely the part of me that
kind of feels like I have to have things figured out,
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that sometimes has the need to control, has a lot
of like stuff in their pass that she needs to
tackle head on because it's really showing up, and how
she's like not able to fully give into a relationship.
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So yeah, it's she is a part of me, but
not not me at all at the same at the
same time, like this is totally a work of fiction.
But like I said, the thing that connects this book
so even like my last book is there you have
to write her o a place of truth. I can't
just like make up anything, Like how are people really
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going to connect that if I can't connect to it?
So the feelings and the thoughts that Emma have are
definitely thoughts and feelings that I.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Have or have had in my past.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
So you talk about this book then, and you entering
into it, you have a very successful podcast, You've just
made this big move even life, you are the winner
of so many things, especially on national television. It really
feels like your sweet spot, And how do you go
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about making the decision to enter into stuff or not? Then?
Because even with this book, it sounds like it's vulnerable,
like you're going to release a lot of your inner thoughts,
your inner feelings, and if all these characters are a
piece of you in some way, people are going to
get a more, you know, an even larger perspective on
you as a person. So when you have all these
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opportunities kind of laying in front of you, or are
these decisions, how are you going about making the decision
to say yes or no to them?
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Yeah, I've had to get a little bit more clear
on that as I'm trying to just figure out, like
who the heck am I not who people like have
labeled me to be or thought of me to be.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I think I got a little.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Internally, at least a little loss in that how what
people liked about me versus who I actually was. And
I'm just trying to make sure that everything is in
alignment to who like I really am and.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
If it doesn't feel.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
Right or aligned with like my core values or what
I want to be able to put out in the
world or challenge myself in some way to see myself
in a different light.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
But like.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
That is kind of how I base everything. Like when
I did like Special Forces, for example, like that was
really just too I was in such a place like
I kind of alluded to earlier, like not the best place,
especially like belief in myself of what I was capable of.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I was going through some health stuff too, so it
really it pushed me.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
To know that I was like much more capable than
I to do things and I believed in myself to be.
So if it it comes from something like that, I
really just like challenging myself to push myself more. Like
I'm totally down for that, but it just has to
be in alignment to who I actually am. And if
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it's not, then I don't want to be a part
of that because honestly, like.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
I don't know how to fake it. Uh, it doesn't
work out for me.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
That's why I either am going to show up and
it's going to be like really messy or I just
like don't show up at all. And maybe sometimes I
just really nail it on the first go, but that
is far between.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
But to ask me.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
To be something that I'm just not like, I I
can't do it because it'll be really really bad.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
That's why everybody loves you though, That's why you were
one of the greatest bachelorettes because you cannot fake it.
There is not like an ounce of being able to act.
And that's why I wanted you to be the Bachelorette
so bad because watching you in Colton season, I was like,
this girl is so me like, and that's what so
many girls out there, I thought, because like there's very
few times, well it just seems like so many girls
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on the show are so poised and they're just so
comfortable around the guy.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
And I'm like, what, no, yeah, not me. But then
it's weird because then you get in these experiences and
then you feel.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
Like like I've always struggled this when I was and
pat is like I would miss out being but being myself.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
I became the Bachelotte by being myself.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
But then there's like this thing like this, like these
little whispers inside of me that are like want me
to try to change or I feel like it was
a fluke, or they don't know what they really don't
They actually really don't want to be with me. People
are disappointed, and that's when I that is when that
friction comes.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
That's when I really struggle.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
When time and time again, the times that I've really
been successful was when I I haven't let those whispers
and thoughts get in my head, and I've truly been.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Able to just be like this is me, and if
you don't.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
Like that or doesn't resonate with you, that's okay, like
somebody else with will.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
But it's been definitely sorry, I keep moving. So it's
definitely been a cycle. Well it's because of my freaking toes.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
But then also this, I've talked about this way too much.
You're pressed, but I had any room removal surgery and
my toes hurt.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
But I'm trying to like sit, There's just a lot
going on.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
So I can't sit with just my legs straight, with
my feet on the floor. I hate that. It's the worst.
Same so when I have a podcast, I like sit
on my legs they're crossed. I'm like up high, I'm
down low. I cannot just sit like you would on
a plane, which I think.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Is okay, say a lot. I don't even see the
plane like that, and it's but.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
I I'm sitting in a place that's usually comfortable for me.
But then I have the ingram tonels. I think I'm like,
this is I shouldn't be sitting like this.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Okay, this is a great transition to some fun yet
very very juicy questions that I have lined up for you. Okay, perfect, Okay,
We'll start with like the least juicy. When you found
out that Nick and Tyler are both doing Special Forces,
were you like these mother efforts, like they cannot they
can't well, they can't win.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
I was.
Speaker 6 (39:19):
I was interested to see how they did, for sure,
because it's such a like mental thing and.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
I don't know. I don't know Nick that well at all.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
But with Tyler, I figured physically he would be able
to do this stuff. But I was really interested, like
mentally but was I was completely shocked and I found
out they both went too.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
I was like, you gotta be like this is this
is wild. But I just had to run myself. I
did first, I know.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
And how funny were those jokes where they like line
all three of your you know, your pictures together and
it would be like what do they go through on
the Bachelor that makes them so good at this?
Speaker 7 (39:58):
I'm telling you though, it is it really did, Like
I noticed that so much on the show, Like because
we're in like such a bubble, I don't think I
will really realize like what it's like.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
To be on the Bachelor bachelortt like you have no
control over anything, like you don't have a phone, Like
people were really having a hard time like not having
access to their phone and being able to reach out
to people, or.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
It's a social The Bachelor Rachelotte is like a social
experiment in a lot of ways, and so was the show.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
So I think it really prepped me for that, like
I said, just being like totally focused on one thing,
whether that's our relationship or just surviving a desert. I
do think that it prepared prepares us all pretty well.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Obviously it has, especially without like vulnerability emotional aspect that
they put you through.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
Yeah, but it's you know, like with the shows that
we've all been on, the producers are like super involved
in it.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
We're like, yeah, there is not any producers.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
Like I truly survived of being like okay, you are
still on a TV show, even though it doesn't feel
like it, Like it feels like I'm just left with
these really big scars, not going to die. You are
not going to die. There are cameras at least I
see cameras. They're not going to let me die. Where
the producer interaction is like so huge on of course,
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like any Bachelor show, so like that was a big difference,
but as far as like psychological warfare, different.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
But the same.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Okay, So I was listening to you on this She's
All Batch podcast and they asked you what would have
happened if Adam was on your season and you had
It was a great explanation, but like, you know, go
go ahead and listen to that if you want, but
I want to ask you what would have happened? Where
would your life would have been now if you picked
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Tyler over Jed.
Speaker 6 (42:05):
I don't know, I genuinely I don't know. I think
it would be a miracle we were still together.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
I think there.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
That's just I give props to people like you actually
that have been able to, like I think it's a
really hard way to start a relationship and you have
to like really love and like be.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
Support each other in that.
Speaker 6 (42:34):
It's just been my own experience that I like, really
admire people who have and truly believe that those are
people that were supposed to meet each other and that's
what the show is for people like you, guys, But
for a lot of us, it's it's it's a tough
way to start a relationship. So you know, I really
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I don't know how to answer that. I think what
I've talked about, she's all just like what I mentioned,
like the thoughts in the way that I viewed myself
as a lead. I definitely obviously had moments of like
strength and like coming to know who I am, which
really started on The Bachelor as they had like baby
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deer feet.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
I was just like being like, oh, well, I actually
can do.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
This, but then was like tore completely down and really
started thinking of myself in ways that weren't really helpful for.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Being able to really know the.
Speaker 6 (43:31):
People that were genuinely there for me or not, and
even believing that there were people that were actually there
for me. It's a really interesting thing to like when
you break it down that the person that I ended
up choosing with someone who was honest with me about
his intentions not being there, but that resonated with me
because that's what I believed.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
I believe that nobody.
Speaker 6 (43:53):
Was there for me, so I was like, oh, at
least somebody's being honest, so I'm gonna pick that guy.
And not to say like me and Jed we we
had like chemistry set, but like he that was where
my mind was, so like who knows who I would
have been with or what would have happened with anyone
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on that show.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
But yeah, I guess we got to throw Peter in
there too, because you also had like the lingering feelings
of Peter, and we saw like you were on his
season for a second. But also in the way that
things happen with Tyler, I actually feel like you did
in a way get to sort of pick him or
experiment what life would have been like with him through
the COVID House and then through just what happened on
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after the Final Rows and all that. Like you you
kind of got to vibe that, and you probably would
not have been right.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 6 (44:46):
I also I have, like great, I just have compassion
with that time of my life, for myself, for him,
for everyone involved, and you know, he obviously was going
through so much much too, and probably weren't the best
versions of ourself during that time.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
But that just it.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
Didn't didn't work out, And I'm like, you know, I
grew so much from that I learned. I think it
honestly like all that propelled my my healing journey to
be able to really.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Find find the love that I have now. So yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
My last question is, like, this is how it turned
out for you. This is the weirdest thing that your
sister in law is now the person that was dating,
Like it's is it's still really weird. They've been married
for a little bit now you your brother and her,
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and it's just like is that something of the past now,
Like how did we get along?
Speaker 3 (45:54):
I don't even know how you remember this stuff? Actually,
I like you're saying this, I'm like, what's she go?
Oh yeah, I forgot that that was even a thing.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
But like also maybe it was all meant to be
because your brother should.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
Love I mean that is how I have to have
to view it at this point.
Speaker 6 (46:08):
But like also I think we all know and I
can say this, like we're in a much better situation now,
but like it was messed up, like it was. I
had a really hard time with it. Of like, for sure,
it was weird, but like they are married now and
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she is a part of my family and honestly, like
they really are. They have a really great relationship and
she loves him very much, and I know.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
My brother really loves her.
Speaker 6 (46:39):
And my brother has been through so much and it's
been in a lot of different seasons of life that
were not that were really hard to watch and and
not be able to like see him living his best life.
And now she's in his life, and I feel like
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it's really cool to see where he is, so like
for that, even though it was really really hard and
there was there was time there that was really tough. Like,
I'm very happy for them, and yeah it's been it's
but it was a wild like plot twist that at
least it's just interesting for sure.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Too bad you didn't well maybe you did have it
in time for your book, that'd be a wild twist
in the book feels it feels like a very I
was in it.
Speaker 6 (47:30):
I was in it in the book, but it was
not to the time. It wasn't the best like of
times to be. I was still very much processing it all.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah, okay, good, Well, nobody that can live in your household.
It doesn't need to be out there for the world
to read, you know, company, But like.
Speaker 6 (47:50):
It's cool, Like I'm you know, it happened a while,
you know, it's they've been married for a while now.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
But I really am.
Speaker 6 (48:00):
Yeah, I really do admire all the work they've done
in their relationship and how they show up for each other.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
It's really cool.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
My final question for you before we send you off
back into the world to do all the great things
that you were doing is we've seen a teaser of
you on Tyler's new show. I'm curious how that even happened. Uh,
And then going back to the question of how you
process here yeses and knows how you said yes to
it and and give us a little teaser from your perspective.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (48:32):
So, wow, there's a there's a there's a lot. There
was a lot kind of going on at that time
that I was really and I still do. I love
interior design. Actually before I was on The Bachelor and
when I was in college, I was I kind of
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decided I wanted to get into interior decorating design, but
I was about done with college, so I just graduated
and just started like apprenticing.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
So that's what I was.
Speaker 6 (49:05):
Doing for life change fully, and so it's always been
a passion of mine and I still don't like own
a house yet.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
So I have really been able to like show all
the stuff that I can do.
Speaker 6 (49:22):
And anyway have a lot of ideas for being able
to get back into that world and some capacity, but
he reached out to me about the show.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
And was wondering if I would want.
Speaker 6 (49:34):
To be a part of it, and it was great
to be able to. First of all, I think that
was a way that we were able to like really
just move on support each other in our own ventures,
but also be able to like showcase something that I'm
really passionate about, and he gave me the opportunity to
(49:55):
do that, so I was like, this will be fun.
It was great to be in Florida for a few
days and be able to work with the clients.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
They were awesome and it was actually a really great
time I had.
Speaker 6 (50:08):
I had a lot of fun, and it got me
excited to be able to continue, hopefully in.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
The future, being able to.
Speaker 6 (50:18):
Really get back into that passion of creating beautiful spaces
for people and for myself.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
How did Adam feel about you being so close to him?
Speaker 4 (50:33):
He we know where we're at in our relationship and
like I that season of life, like I feel.
Speaker 6 (50:44):
Really like it's over, and obviously, like I don't, we weren't.
We weren't engaged yet, but like I knew obviously like
we and decided like we were gonna We're in it together,
this is this is my life partner, and so he
trust me, was excited for me to be able to
have this opportunity to kind of do a path a
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passion of mine.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
And yeah, so he's cool, he's supportive of me. But yeah,
I mean I think I answered that.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Well, this was we could talk to you, honestly for
at least another hour about everything going on in your life,
and like, you're just such an interesting and self aware person,
so it's always fun to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
Hannah Brown's book Mistakes We Never Made coming out May seventh.
Make sure you go check it out. It's gonna be
an incredible picture of who Hannah is creativity wise, and
also it sounds like we're gonna get a better perspective
of who Hannah is a person in all of her
(51:52):
many facets. Hannah, thanks for join us, Thanks for coming
on this famous podcast. Keep up the great work, keep
showing up. We enjoy Thank you.
Speaker 4 (52:03):
I really appreciate it. You all are so fun to
talk to.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the Almost Famous Podcast. Today,
we have a like we know, we always say this
a lot, but we have a very special guest, like
she's exclusive everybody to get her, okay, and I'm like
a little giddy. I put makeup on for this, Like
everybody knows that. When I put makeup on for an interview,
it's like, okay, this is like a bachelor a lister.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
So so for example, if Ashley and I just do
an interview with each other.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Like like a roll out of bed anyway, but don't
say anything our guest, don't say anything. You're giggling in
the background, which I like that tease. But look what
we have that I cut vegetables on on the regular.
I've in a windmill and guess what we did it
a second time on a freaking cunning board.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Okay, now you can speak, Hi, Hannah, I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I didn't know they made those, but I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I don't know. During your season, somebody sent this to
us and it is my favorite cutting board. And then
Jared and I are always like, like, at what point
do we have to hide this because like Dawson will
be able to read.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Well, it's a quality cutting board.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, Hi, Ana Brown, how you doing?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I'm doing great?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
How are y'all so good?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
We have a lot to talk to you about today.
You are as usual doing Uh. I wouldn't say a
lot because a lot makes it just sound like you're
doing a lot. You're doing a lot of things well
right now and you have been like you don't lose
like ever.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yeah. I really need to hear that now because sometimes
I'm like, what am I doing?
Speaker 6 (01:50):
But yeah, right now I do feel like I'm doing
it a lot.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Well.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I want you to add well though.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Okay, thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
So this is where I want to start the show.
Though we're going to talk about the podcast, We're going
to talk about the book, We're going to talk about
life now, your move and all of that. But I
was driving today and I was like, what is the
thing that I want to know from Hannah? Like, what
is it that I want on because what we've seen
from you is what we've seen from you is you
dominated kind of the media circus that happens after the show,
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and you did it so well and you went on
to compete in a couple other shows and do those
so well, and then something interesting happened this summer is
when you went to Paradise and I felt like everybody
loves you so much and that's great, but they were
like really hyping you up. And what I thought was
that has to be kind of hard for you because
it's like people are holding you to a very high standard.
(02:48):
And granted that's a gift that they know even do that,
but I want to notice start this thing off, Hannah Brown,
can you give us an example, so everybody out here
feels like you're human of a time in the last
two years or recently that you have lost that you
feel like you fell short, that something hasn't worked out
to your plan.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Oh my gosh, it's so interesting, like to hear other
people talk about you in a certain way. It's very
different than the way that I view myself. And I'm
trying to really work on that. Like I guess, I'm
trying to think of like what an instance of it's
a lot of like just self talk that I always
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feel like I'm not doing thing as.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Well, You've failed that nothing.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You have a really hot fiance too, your personal life
is thriving.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
No, oh my gosh, that's so like, Yes, I have
the best fiance, and I'm so thankful for my personal
life being at the place that it is now.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
There's so much behind the.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Scenes and hard work and failures in the process of
a success. I feel like that sometimes just people don't
see you don't assume or you know, I'm in such
a shit show of emotions that I can't.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Present at that time. That's normally what it is.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
If you're not seeing me, it's because I'm unwell the
point of like people will be like, do we need
to like intervene or something going on? Like I've had
those moments all in between, but just continue to like
go through. I mean, one example I can have because
I think it's so funny for me now because I
have had some of these successes very like it's almost
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bizarre to me that people like think of me as
like winning because in my past even before like I
did pageants, I competed in pageants for like years and
years and years and before I won Missaving Us say,
like I didn't even place in the top ten for years,
which like usually people like, you know you play so
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you you know, you're always like creeping up and then
you eventually like do your time and you win the thing.
And so I I remember going to that pageant that
I won and being in the car and be like
why am I doing this to myself again, and my
mom being like, well, like, you.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Know, you're like a first place loser.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
At this point, like I had just gotten so good
at just being able, being like I put myself out
there and I've worked so hard, and then just like
not seeing anything like come from it and then having
to kind of like deal with how that made me
feel about myself. So it's funny because and even when
I got to miss USA, like I didn't place at all,
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like and I was just I was just happy, honestly,
like just happy to be there because before it just
it was almost like just a true dream come true
and kind of giving up at that point, and to
now people being like thinking of me as somebody who
just like wins everything, because I really I didn't I
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showed up. I will say I think I show up,
But I've had a lot of things in my life
and even just like personally like feeling definitely not like
a winner. I've just had some of my like moments
of actually achieving the thing on TV and so that
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get what people, I guess just think of. But that's
just like not the case behind the scenes and like
everyday life things. Everything that I do right now, I'm like,
you know, whether it's the podcast and the book I
can I always think I could be winning more and
in some in some way, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
What is it about TV that makes you win? Like,
is that the pressure is on?
Speaker 7 (06:42):
I think?
Speaker 6 (06:44):
So I think the things that I've done, I go
into okay, actually I know this. Sorry, I like to
start sentence since don't finish them.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I do that too.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
It's really bad.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
And that's one of the reasons I initially related to
I was like, yeah, I love how this girl just
like just just talks with her mind.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
What am I saying? I don't ever know, but I
I feel like real life is really hard for me.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
But when I'm put in like certain like weird situations
where like I'm bubbled and there's only one thing that
I can think of, it's kind of like there's only
one sentence I can I can finish at one time,
versus like all the other thoughts in my head going on.
If that made any sense.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Probably not.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
But I feel like when I'm in like controled space
and there's like one mission, I can really hone in
on that and just be dialed in and nothing else matters,
Like genuinely, nothing else matter matters. And I'm like, I'm
just doing this dance show. I'm just doing this survival
special Force of show. I'm just doing this thing trying
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to find love. Like I just get really focused in.
And that's not real life though, Like There's always going
to be distractions and things that come up in different feelings,
in different situations going on all around you. So in
real life, like I don't I don't always win, But
when I have something that's just like one thing to
focus on, I do well with that.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
What's the thing right now? Like what would you be
focusing in on? I mean, I know the book comes
out May seventh, but you know I've walked through the
releasing of a book process You've obviously have as well.
It's hard to like really figure out, I feel like,
how to like focus in on the releasing of a book.
Like you do the media, you do the prep, you
do the everything you need to do to kind of
make it work. But once it's out there. It's out
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of your control to kind of focus on. It's up
to people to buy or not to buy, to read
or not to read. So maybe that's it. Maybe you're
finding out a way to focus in on this better
than I did, and that's why your books are so successful.
But right now, what is like taking up your main focus?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
The book really is taking up most of my focus
right now. I'll like do anything in every thing to
just have people hear about the book.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
But like you said, it is.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
It's different, and there's like it's nuance, and it's not
just like this is a certain way that you win
or get people to sell the books. Like it's it's
not like people have so many other things that they're competing.
I'm competing yet so many different authors, so many different
ways that people can like use their time.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
So it's not the same type of thing.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
And this has actually been something I really talk a
lot about in therapy because, like I said, real life,
even just like real work life is harder for me
because it's not so like this is the thing that
you do. Everything else stops when you do these shows
like and I do great in that, but that is
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just not real life, and not even real like work
life too, So I don't really.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Have anything else because that's like that other.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Than when I'm doing a TV show that I feel like, man,
I can like I can do this, So.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I guess somebody's gotta find me something else to be on.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Okay, So you had God Bless This Mess, your basically
autobiography come out a couple of years ago, and now
this is a romance fiction novel.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
It's called Mistakes.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
We Never Made. How is it promoting a book that's
all about like your personal story versus one that is
pretty much made up.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
It's such a different experience, for sure. I feel like
the first book was definitely more.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
It was.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
It was harder in different ways too, like more emotionally exhausting.
It was very vulnerable to have to like show up
and be like, this is my story from from an
and from my account of everything that's happened in my
life and then have everybody kind of like judge that
or I think, see you did differently.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
And in some ways it was really great.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
For the most part, I feel like people actually got
to see like me more as a full person. But
that was really vulnerable and hard. Where this project is
really hard is that, yeah, it's creating a whole universe
and having to like really work that creative muscle. And
it took a lot of work, just like trying to
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make plot points and plan everything out and make sure
that this world really felt human and real.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
So very different.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Experiences, but both I think the importance and in both
of these projects is still truth. So obviously that was
my true story, but in this fiction book, this work
of fiction, I think what really makes it resonate with
people is where if it's coming from a place of truth,
and so the thoughts and the feelings and the doubts
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and the way that these characters work come from somewhere
that's really real inside of me. And so that's kind
of where they both intertwine as different pieces of work.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Is it based at all on any of your real
life romances?
Speaker 6 (12:19):
So I like to say that it's not just one person,
but there's little sprinkles in of like some greatest hits
in my life.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Cute. Yeah, yeah, I mean one of the interesting things
here about writing fiction is this is coming from your
imagination or your fantasy or your your life experience kind
of leading up into one how like, how long did
this story do you believe, not in its entirety, but
kind of maybe in its moments, live inside of you
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until now it's coming out in this full form.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Gosh, I would say when it's been years, because I
always wanted to get into writing in some way of
like the big dream that I had thought of some
of the things that I've been able to do in
the past few years where things I couldn't have ever
dreamt up, like could have never imagined that I've had
the opportunity to do. But I always had a big
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dream of writing some type of novel, and this project
kind of came to me. And because when I had
my first meeting with an agent, like right after the
Bachelorette and they're like, what do you want to do?
Of course this was like, oh my god, I don't
know what I want to do, but here's like this
big dream I have. So it's been a long time process.
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Started on a similar idea that ended up not working out,
and then came back to this about I don't even.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Know time at this point. I feel like it's been.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Probably around two years, but hearts of this book and
idea have been like in my brain for you know,
since probably like college at some point. But I also
had and always want to credit the help that I had.
I had a co author, Emily Larrabee, that really helped
be able to take all these seeds of ideas and
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thoughts and the type of characters that I wanted to
create to really make a well thaw out organized story
because as you can tell, I can barely talk.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
This is what she says.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
But I think that you're very articulate. I think you
express yourself amazingly.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
But it was really great to be able to work
with somebody who you know, as a professional at this
and then this for years and years and her help
challenge me and help poke calls and things and be
able to really like make something whole and beautiful. And
I'm really really proud of this book and what we've created.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
If you were to summarize or to sell it to
the listeners and you know a short period of time here,
what can like, why would they want to pick this
book up outside of it being from you and then
loving you? What about this book do you think they're
going to engage with?
Speaker 6 (15:18):
I want people to really get to kind of go
on this journey with the main character Emma, who really
struggles with which I think a lot of a struggle
with like knowing like where it's our place, why we
kind of respond and react the way that we do
towards things, especially big things like love and.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Really get that.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
I think one of the scariest things that we can
do and one of the things that can lead we
can think can lead to the most mistakes in life
is taking that risk for love and that it's never
wrong to make them, make them mistake along the way
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to finding real love and peace and happiness. And that
kind of goes to what I was saying we were
talking about earlier about like all the things that I've
done in our life and like winning, losing all the things.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I think it's just showing.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Up and doing it scared and believing that the other
side of it you're either going to learn You're going
to learn from it or grow for amo same way,
and or you could just like really find like the
love of your life.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
So take the risk and make the mistakes.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, how did you meet you the love of your life?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
How did you do not to meet on a dating app?
Speaker 7 (16:41):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Really? Which one?
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Yeah? Hinge?
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
You too, both on Hinge Like now jackpot, So what
was how did the first date come about? Was he
like one of those guys that prolongs the messaging?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Oh no, it was like the second message.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
So I got tired of stuff I was doing, like
one of my friends, like, we're done with all this,
and she took me a trip to Cago and she
was like, we're getting me back out there. We're doing
the thing, and she made me the stating profile. One night,
like over a glass of wine, we did the whole
thing and go to Cago.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
We put out the profile, and I got really lucky,
Like I ben thought, Okay, I'm just gonna like make
content about this and this will be great.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
People like I'll just go on these dates and talk
about it. And I started doing that and they were
doing really great and it was really fun. And then
I popped up on like the profile and I actually
liked his photo first, and I liked the one photo
because but on each of our profile we had a
picture on this same street that ended up being the
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street that I was living on at the time, So
I liked that photo. And then he saw my profile
and saw that I had on the same street and
he was like, oh, you're You're on my street and
I was like, wait, you're on mine, like I live here.
So we ended up living three houses.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Down from each other.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Whoa And it was so cute and I had just
moved but when I started the profile, I was there
and so anyway, but it was still like down the
street and yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
He like that was our little conversation and he was like, hey,
I'd love to get.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
To know you better, like do you want to go
get a drink this Thursday?
Speaker 4 (18:31):
And I was like perfect. So yeah, he was very.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
Direct and I love that. I would be like any
advice I have for anybody on the apps, like that
is so important, Like we don't have time to just
go back and forth on this app. We need to
like see each other or at least get a voice
memo or something going because.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
He can't do that.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So when did he bring up or did you bring up? Like, okay,
elephant in the room, you know I was the bachelorette
because you're not like really like one of those battes
that you can just you couldn't hide that you were
the bachelor, like like the country knew Hannah Brown was.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
The bachelorette yeah, So he did not know who I
was at first, Like when he saw my profile, he
was just like, oh, like.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
I had a really good profile. We'll see it was good.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
It had all the different hands you needed in there
and like it was it was top notch.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
But he was like, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
There was just something in me that was like I'm
gonna just try to like type in like the stuff
that I know about you from your profile, and of
course he sees who I am, like it's like a
few minutes before he goes into the date. And with
seeing that I was making these videos of going on
these dates, about these guys that would go to the
boundary during the date and know what was going on,
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and he was like okay, like he knew what was happening.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
It was so funny.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Didn't say anything until I go to the bathroom and
he goes, are you gonna leave.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Your phone there? Are you taking the phone with you?
Speaker 5 (20:03):
And it was very obvious he had like seen he
was like, oh my goes like I hadn't videoed anything
with this, and I hadn't because I saw him, I
was like, oh, like I immediately like was like.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I just want to like see this one through.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
So then of course we talked about it, but I
still don't think he really under understood Bachelor Nation or
the show that much.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I mean, of course he had heard.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
About it, but didn't know like how that would be
a part of our lives and our journey until we
really got into it, because I kind of kept our
relationship to ourself to myself for a while and then
he really got got.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Thrown into it.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
There's there's a lot here that I First off, you know,
I'm sure there's so many saddened that that profile couldn't
have lived a little bit longer and had a little
more life span, especially since it was so good. Kind
of sounds like it came in away. Second, I've never
met ad him. I'm assuming he's a very good man
if he literally held on to this secret of you
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filming these dates until the perfect moment. I love that move.
What a great move by him, What an incredible just like, yeah,
you don't you don't scare me, hand a Brown, Yes,
when did you know he was the one? Like I
wanted to hear you that this was not only something
you want to pursue, but something now that you wanted
to commit to.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Gosh, I don't think it was really a moment.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
For me. I have always I think from the show,
I'm so thankful for it totally.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
But there was a lot that that hurt me. In between.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
There were stories that I was starting to tell tell
myself about love who I am.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Oh, yeah it was, it was.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
It was hard, and even when I met Adam, I
wasn't I was trying to like move on, but wasn't
really looking for a long term thing at the point,
Like I just I thought there was something like broken
about me, and.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
And I was. I had a lot that I was
dealing with.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
And one of my main stories that I tell myself
is I'm a burden and so that's why I really
like can close up and is slate and I only want.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
People to see me when I'm good, And I knew.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
I was like, I'm like I'm not good, Like I
can I can like show up for a date, but
like if somebody really is coming into my world right now,
like it's it's not.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Awesome.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
And I only I thought that the only way somebody
can love me is if I can show up those ways, and.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
He really showed me through.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Our first was her first like until like this past year,
like first three two and a half years of relationship
was really hard, and he showed me that I was
lovable in any way that I showed up and when
I was at my absolute.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Worst, like he loved me and showed up for me
and was there for me. So it really was like.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Not a moment, but just the consistency of him showing
me that I was lovable and worthy and even at
my absolute lowest of low and that just made me
realize like, oh, this is somebody that I want to
do life with and have like really great times with
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and be able and know that we can get through
really hard times too.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
My final relationship question here, how is that experience from him?
And this can happen vice versa. I'm sure if he
was sitting here too, he would say that you've done
the same for him in so many different ways. But
we're talking to you now, so we're going to focus
on you. How has his consistency in allowing you to
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show up in whatever space you're in, proving to you
that you are lovable? How has that changed you or
not changed you?
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Now?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Like as you sit here today as a person.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Oh, it's changed me so much like really knowing that.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Really, I mean, it was the first time that I
really knew and believed that I didn't have to perform
for love has been just like such a huge experience
or even like in love in any way love and
relationships of course romantically, but also in the relationships with
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friends with family, Like the love that I deserve is
to be able to show up as I am and
be vulnerable in that way, and that there are people
that will.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Love me.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
For who I am and as I am in that
time and will ride the ways with me and but
also challenge me.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I think that's all. It's not that like Adam is
somebody that just allows me to be.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
In a you know, in in all the that he
allows me to be in the emotions, but he does
speak truth and light into into who I really am.
Even when I don't feel or believe those good things
about me. He always like tries to lift me up.
And so it's really changed the way that I view
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what like love is just in general, like my definition
of love has changed so much.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
What I believed it was to.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Fall in love with someone or be in love with
someone is like a totally different experience I've had to
really relearn, and it takes a lot of work, and
especially if you have like a tough background when it
comes to like love, like what love was like.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
In your.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
In your household, in your like previous relationships, there's a
lot of unlearning that has to be done and it
can be really really painful and hard to like gosh,
realize like what you think about yourself or how you've
continued these patterns. And but man, I've just had like
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a rock with me the whole time. And he's also
like like you you said, Ben, like he has its
own stuff. He is he is great and awesome, but
he is not He is not perfect. And it's been
really cool to also go on this journey with him
to be able to call out the the things in
his life that he's believed about himself, whether that's being
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broken or burden or whatever, and really.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Be able to lift each other up together. It's been
really cool and I'm so thankful.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Really, this is so special. I'm so glad that you've
gone through this and that you have each other. Why
did you mc guys decide to make the move to
Nashville versus La?
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Yeah, so we met in La. But Adam had lived
here for seven years before he lived in LA for.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
A bit, and I always thought I would end up
in Nashville because I'm from Alabama.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
My hometown's like three and a half hours away and
always easy.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
That's nice.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Yeah, it's great because it's still it's like booming, but
there's a lot to do. But I also can be
close to my family. And it was so weird. We
we had an amazing place in Santa Monica.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I know, I remember seeing it on Instagram all the time.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It was beautiful, it.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Was so beautiful.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
The rent was absolutely insane, to be honest, like it was.
It was crazy, and but I was like, this is
where I want to live, but we need more space.
And it would go went from our crazy rent to like,
you know, a lot of million dollar house the eight
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million dollar houses. I'm like, I'm not there, spoiler, I'm
not there yet. And I was like, what are we
gonna do? Are we going to keep just like spending
this much on rent? Like but then I don't want
to leave this tamp this this place. But I always
had like Nashville in the back of my mind, and
we're like okay, We're like, look, we can always come
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back here. We were thinking about our our at least
was coming up doing something else, and Nashville came up
in the conversation and then we were like we're to
sleep on.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
And then the next day Adam gets a.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
Call from an old employer in Nashville ask him if
he wanted to get back into his old job, and
that like just seeing if he would, if he'd be
interested in like what our plans were.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
So it was so weird. Literally the next day that's.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
About and then yeah, we ended up being like, well
this is a sign and he's not even still with
that job, but that's what brought us.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Out here, And yeah, I really love it. I had
a hard time this summer, I mean this winter.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Because it was dark and you were seeing all your
friends in La and it's so nice.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I know, I guess that was really hard, but like
now you know, i'll have one good month.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
You'll have way more than one. Well, he does get
super hot and he went there, but still it's better
that then.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Wild they complain about any weather. I had four foot
of snow.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
I mean, you like it, I genuinely could. I I'm
here again. I can never see snow again and be happy.
I hate the cold.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I don't agree.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Yeah, I want to be warm.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
I actually I just want to be like in a
nice sixty five with a light breeze at all times,
which is LA.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
So I'm like that I missed that a lot. But
the community here's really great.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
National is a great place. You're gonna love it, I
think fits you.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, it seems like you're like Nashville Barbie.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
All right, I'll take that.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
I'm still like trying to like get I mean, we've
made some so many great great friends here, but still
trying to like get involved in the community and stuff.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
But yeah, it makes sense, It totally makes sense.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
I'm still like super Southern to the core, but I
want I love being in a place that has like
a lot to do and offers a lot as far
as just like.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
For our future. And I'm happy.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
But I'm going to LA next week to like get
my little fix and then I'll come home.
Speaker 8 (30:59):
I do that too.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
You'll learn to love it more when you can only
be out there for a week, trust me.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
All right.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I have two questions kind of back to back, but
it starts with one and it's going to end on
the other. I'm hearing your story now since we've talked
about your book, and this main character Emma in your
book is Emma you like, it sounds like a lot
of what you're talking about when it comes to your
insecurities and your relationship with Adam and then kind of
(31:37):
your move and your thought process on life. It sounds
a lot like what you're teasing for the book.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Yeah, she's a part of me.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
So the way this book kind of all came about
was actually through the female friendship in the book. I
really I think one of the greatest loves of your
life can be with your friends. And so it started
with the idea of this were for this group of
girls in the book being different parts of who I am.
(32:07):
I mean, there's there's an obvious character like Nikki, who
was one of the girls in the front in the
girl group, like she was the the lead on a
show called Love By where it was a dating show.
There's there's Sybil, who's kind of the one that just
(32:28):
floats around and can't really commit to things and can
be just interesting, kind of complicated, but like lovable. And
then there's Emma, who's definitely the part of me that
kind of feels like I have to have things figured out,
(32:51):
that sometimes has the need to control, has a lot
of like stuff in their pass that she needs to
tackle head on because it's really showing up, and how
she's like not able to fully give into a relationship.
(33:17):
So yeah, it's she is a part of me, but
not not me at all at the same at the
same time, like this is totally a work of fiction.
But like I said, the thing that connects this book
so even like my last book is there you have
to write her o a place of truth. I can't
just like make up anything, Like how are people really
(33:37):
going to connect that if I can't connect to it?
So the feelings and the thoughts that Emma have are
definitely thoughts and feelings that I.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Have or have had in my past.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
So you talk about this book then, and you entering
into it, you have a very successful podcast, You've just
made this big move even life, you are the winner
of so many things, especially on national television. It really
feels like your sweet spot, And how do you go
(34:10):
about making the decision to enter into stuff or not? Then?
Because even with this book, it sounds like it's vulnerable,
like you're going to release a lot of your inner thoughts,
your inner feelings, and if all these characters are a
piece of you in some way, people are going to
get a more, you know, an even larger perspective on
you as a person. So when you have all these
(34:32):
opportunities kind of laying in front of you, or are
these decisions, how are you going about making the decision
to say yes or no to them?
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Yeah, I've had to get a little bit more clear
on that as I'm trying to just figure out, like
who the heck am I not who people like have
labeled me to be or thought of me to be.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I think I got a little.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Internally, at least a little loss in that how what
people liked about me versus who I actually was. And
I'm just trying to make sure that everything is in
alignment to who like I really am and.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
If it doesn't feel.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
Right or aligned with like my core values or what
I want to be able to put out in the
world or challenge myself in some way to see myself
in a different light.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
But like.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
That is kind of how I base everything. Like when
I did like Special Forces, for example, like that was
really just too I was in such a place like
I kind of alluded to earlier, like not the best place,
especially like belief in myself of what I was capable of.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I was going through some health stuff too, so it
really it pushed me.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
To know that I was like much more capable than
I to do things and I believed in myself to be.
So if it it comes from something like that, I
really just like challenging myself to push myself more. Like
I'm totally down for that, but it just has to
be in alignment to who I actually am. And if
(36:12):
it's not, then I don't want to be a part
of that because honestly, like.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
I don't know how to fake it. Uh, it doesn't
work out for me.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
That's why I either am going to show up and
it's going to be like really messy or I just
like don't show up at all. And maybe sometimes I
just really nail it on the first go, but that
is far between.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
But to ask me.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
To be something that I'm just not like, I I
can't do it because it'll be really really bad.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
That's why everybody loves you though, That's why you were
one of the greatest bachelorettes because you cannot fake it.
There is not like an ounce of being able to act.
And that's why I wanted you to be the Bachelorette
so bad because watching you in Colton season, I was like,
this girl is so me like, and that's what so
many girls out there, I thought, because like there's very
few times, well it just seems like so many girls
(37:03):
on the show are so poised and they're just so
comfortable around the guy.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
And I'm like, what, no, yeah, not me. But then
it's weird because then you get in these experiences and
then you feel.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
Like like I've always struggled this when I was and
pat is like I would miss out being but being myself.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
I became the Bachelotte by being myself.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
But then there's like this thing like this, like these
little whispers inside of me that are like want me
to try to change or I feel like it was
a fluke, or they don't know what they really don't
They actually really don't want to be with me. People
are disappointed, and that's when I that is when that
friction comes.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
That's when I really struggle.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
When time and time again, the times that I've really
been successful was when I I haven't let those whispers
and thoughts get in my head, and I've truly been.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Able to just be like this is me, and if
you don't.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
Like that or doesn't resonate with you, that's okay, like
somebody else with will.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
But it's been definitely sorry, I keep moving. So it's
definitely been a cycle. Well it's because of my freaking toes.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
But then also this, I've talked about this way too much.
You're pressed, but I had any room removal surgery and
my toes hurt.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
But I'm trying to like sit, There's just a lot
going on.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
So I can't sit with just my legs straight, with
my feet on the floor. I hate that. It's the worst.
Same so when I have a podcast, I like sit
on my legs they're crossed. I'm like up high, I'm
down low. I cannot just sit like you would on
a plane, which I think.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Is okay, say a lot. I don't even see the
plane like that, and it's but.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
I I'm sitting in a place that's usually comfortable for me.
But then I have the ingram tonels. I think I'm like,
this is I shouldn't be sitting like this.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Okay, this is a great transition to some fun yet
very very juicy questions that I have lined up for you. Okay, perfect, Okay,
We'll start with like the least juicy. When you found
out that Nick and Tyler are both doing Special Forces,
were you like these mother efforts, like they cannot they
can't well, they can't win.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
I was.
Speaker 6 (39:19):
I was interested to see how they did, for sure,
because it's such a like mental thing and.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
I don't know. I don't know Nick that well at all.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
But with Tyler, I figured physically he would be able
to do this stuff. But I was really interested, like
mentally but was I was completely shocked and I found
out they both went too.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
I was like, you gotta be like this is this
is wild. But I just had to run myself. I
did first, I know.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
And how funny were those jokes where they like line
all three of your you know, your pictures together and
it would be like what do they go through on
the Bachelor that makes them so good at this?
Speaker 7 (39:58):
I'm telling you though, it is it really did, Like
I noticed that so much on the show, Like because
we're in like such a bubble, I don't think I
will really realize like what it's like.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
To be on the Bachelor bachelortt like you have no
control over anything, like you don't have a phone, Like
people were really having a hard time like not having
access to their phone and being able to reach out
to people, or.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
It's a social The Bachelor Rachelotte is like a social
experiment in a lot of ways, and so was the show.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
So I think it really prepped me for that, like
I said, just being like totally focused on one thing,
whether that's our relationship or just surviving a desert. I
do think that it prepared prepares us all pretty well.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Obviously it has, especially without like vulnerability emotional aspect that
they put you through.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
Yeah, but it's you know, like with the shows that
we've all been on, the producers are like super involved
in it.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
We're like, yeah, there is not any producers.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
Like I truly survived of being like okay, you are
still on a TV show, even though it doesn't feel
like it, Like it feels like I'm just left with
these really big scars, not going to die. You are
not going to die. There are cameras at least I
see cameras. They're not going to let me die. Where
the producer interaction is like so huge on of course,
(41:30):
like any Bachelor show, so like that was a big difference,
but as far as like psychological warfare, different.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
But the same.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Okay, So I was listening to you on this She's
All Batch podcast and they asked you what would have
happened if Adam was on your season and you had
It was a great explanation, but like, you know, go
go ahead and listen to that if you want, but
I want to ask you what would have happened? Where
would your life would have been now if you picked
(42:02):
Tyler over Jed.
Speaker 6 (42:05):
I don't know, I genuinely I don't know. I think
it would be a miracle we were still together.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
I think there.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
That's just I give props to people like you actually
that have been able to, like I think it's a
really hard way to start a relationship and you have
to like really love and like be.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
Support each other in that.
Speaker 6 (42:34):
It's just been my own experience that I like, really
admire people who have and truly believe that those are
people that were supposed to meet each other and that's
what the show is for people like you, guys, But
for a lot of us, it's it's it's a tough
way to start a relationship. So you know, I really
(42:55):
I don't know how to answer that. I think what
I've talked about, she's all just like what I mentioned,
like the thoughts in the way that I viewed myself
as a lead. I definitely obviously had moments of like
strength and like coming to know who I am, which
really started on The Bachelor as they had like baby
(43:16):
deer feet.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
I was just like being like, oh, well, I actually
can do.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
This, but then was like tore completely down and really
started thinking of myself in ways that weren't really helpful for.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Being able to really know the.
Speaker 6 (43:31):
People that were genuinely there for me or not, and
even believing that there were people that were actually there
for me. It's a really interesting thing to like when
you break it down that the person that I ended
up choosing with someone who was honest with me about
his intentions not being there, but that resonated with me
because that's what I believed.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
I believe that nobody.
Speaker 6 (43:53):
Was there for me, so I was like, oh, at
least somebody's being honest, so I'm gonna pick that guy.
And not to say like me and Jed we we
had like chemistry set, but like he that was where
my mind was, so like who knows who I would
have been with or what would have happened with anyone
(44:14):
on that show.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
But yeah, I guess we got to throw Peter in
there too, because you also had like the lingering feelings
of Peter, and we saw like you were on his
season for a second. But also in the way that
things happen with Tyler, I actually feel like you did
in a way get to sort of pick him or
experiment what life would have been like with him through
the COVID House and then through just what happened on
(44:37):
after the Final Rows and all that. Like you you
kind of got to vibe that, and you probably would
not have been right.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 6 (44:46):
I also I have, like great, I just have compassion
with that time of my life, for myself, for him,
for everyone involved, and you know, he obviously was going
through so much much too, and probably weren't the best
versions of ourself during that time.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
But that just it.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
Didn't didn't work out, And I'm like, you know, I
grew so much from that I learned. I think it
honestly like all that propelled my my healing journey to
be able to really.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Find find the love that I have now. So yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
My last question is, like, this is how it turned
out for you. This is the weirdest thing that your
sister in law is now the person that was dating,
Like it's is it's still really weird. They've been married
for a little bit now you your brother and her,
(45:48):
and it's just like is that something of the past now,
Like how did we get along?
Speaker 3 (45:54):
I don't even know how you remember this stuff? Actually,
I like you're saying this, I'm like, what's she go?
Oh yeah, I forgot that that was even a thing.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
But like also maybe it was all meant to be
because your brother should.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
Love I mean that is how I have to have
to view it at this point.
Speaker 6 (46:08):
But like also I think we all know and I
can say this, like we're in a much better situation now,
but like it was messed up, like it was. I
had a really hard time with it. Of like, for sure,
it was weird, but like they are married now and
(46:28):
she is a part of my family and honestly, like
they really are. They have a really great relationship and
she loves him very much, and I know.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
My brother really loves her.
Speaker 6 (46:39):
And my brother has been through so much and it's
been in a lot of different seasons of life that
were not that were really hard to watch and and
not be able to like see him living his best life.
And now she's in his life, and I feel like
(46:59):
it's really cool to see where he is, so like
for that, even though it was really really hard and
there was there was time there that was really tough. Like,
I'm very happy for them, and yeah it's been it's
but it was a wild like plot twist that at
least it's just interesting for sure.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Too bad you didn't well maybe you did have it
in time for your book, that'd be a wild twist
in the book feels it feels like a very I
was in it.
Speaker 6 (47:30):
I was in it in the book, but it was
not to the time. It wasn't the best like of
times to be. I was still very much processing it all.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah, okay, good, Well, nobody that can live in your household.
It doesn't need to be out there for the world
to read, you know, company, But like.
Speaker 6 (47:50):
It's cool, Like I'm you know, it happened a while,
you know, it's they've been married for a while now.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
But I really am.
Speaker 6 (48:00):
Yeah, I really do admire all the work they've done
in their relationship and how they show up for each other.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
It's really cool.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
My final question for you before we send you off
back into the world to do all the great things
that you were doing is we've seen a teaser of
you on Tyler's new show. I'm curious how that even happened. Uh,
And then going back to the question of how you
process here yeses and knows how you said yes to
it and and give us a little teaser from your perspective.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (48:32):
So, wow, there's a there's a there's a lot. There
was a lot kind of going on at that time
that I was really and I still do. I love
interior design. Actually before I was on The Bachelor and
when I was in college, I was I kind of
(48:55):
decided I wanted to get into interior decorating design, but
I was about done with college, so I just graduated
and just started like apprenticing.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
So that's what I was.
Speaker 6 (49:05):
Doing for life change fully, and so it's always been
a passion of mine and I still don't like own
a house yet.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
So I have really been able to like show all
the stuff that I can do.
Speaker 6 (49:22):
And anyway have a lot of ideas for being able
to get back into that world and some capacity, but
he reached out to me about the show.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
And was wondering if I would want.
Speaker 6 (49:34):
To be a part of it, and it was great
to be able to. First of all, I think that
was a way that we were able to like really
just move on support each other in our own ventures,
but also be able to like showcase something that I'm
really passionate about, and he gave me the opportunity to
(49:55):
do that, so I was like, this will be fun.
It was great to be in Florida for a few
days and be able to work with the clients.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
They were awesome and it was actually a really great
time I had.
Speaker 6 (50:08):
I had a lot of fun, and it got me
excited to be able to continue, hopefully in.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
The future, being able to.
Speaker 6 (50:18):
Really get back into that passion of creating beautiful spaces
for people and for myself.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
How did Adam feel about you being so close to him?
Speaker 4 (50:33):
He we know where we're at in our relationship and
like I that season of life, like I feel.
Speaker 6 (50:44):
Really like it's over, and obviously, like I don't, we weren't.
We weren't engaged yet, but like I knew obviously like
we and decided like we were gonna We're in it together,
this is this is my life partner, and so he
trust me, was excited for me to be able to
have this opportunity to kind of do a path a
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passion of mine.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
And yeah, so he's cool, he's supportive of me. But yeah,
I mean I think I answered that.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Well, this was we could talk to you, honestly for
at least another hour about everything going on in your life,
and like, you're just such an interesting and self aware person,
so it's always fun to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
Hannah Brown's book Mistakes We Never Made coming out May seventh.
Make sure you go check it out. It's gonna be
an incredible picture of who Hannah is creativity wise, and
also it sounds like we're gonna get a better perspective
of who Hannah is a person in all of her
(51:52):
many facets. Hannah, thanks for join us, Thanks for coming
on this famous podcast. Keep up the great work, keep
showing up. We enjoy Thank you.
Speaker 4 (52:03):
I really appreciate it. You all are so fun to
talk to.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
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