March 5, 2025 • 27 mins
Our favorite Bachelor Nation reporter Zachary Reality is back with Ben and Ashley to help break down the shocking news of Gabby Windey’s surprise wedding!
Zachary has some inside info on Carolina this season and he’s ready to tell all.
Plus, Zachary shares his expert prediction on how Grant’s season will end up!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's almost famous podcast. We are here today with I
would say at this point our most consistently favorite co host,
Zachary Reality Zachary, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Thank you for having me back.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I'm so excited to be back and excited to get
into it with you guys.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We have so much to get into. Let's start out
with this. We all have a take. I don't want
to say an opinion because that feels weird. A take. Gabby,
Wendy and Robbie got married. I think it was announced yet,
like this morning or yesterday. It was a seven and
ninety nine dollars Las Vegas wedding. The videos are out.
(00:45):
I hadn't even heard rumors that they were going to
get married. I mean we did. I don't think this
is a shock to anybody. They got married. I just
kind of heard rumors that they're even thinking about it.
Maybe I was out of the loop. So I'd love
to hear from you guys what I missed and what
you think of it all.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Well, they weren't engaged or so we didn't know they
were engaged. But yeah, I wonder where did the ceremony
take place. Do you know zach Las Vegas? Oh, I
know it loves Vegas. Was that like at the Little
White Wedding Chapel like so many other celebrities.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It was definitely out of chapel. They've moved.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
They've been together for two years, so I don't think
it's the craziest thing in the world. It's like, I
don't know if fans think it was like after like
three months, but it definitely was a little shocking that
they kept it a secret for two months and then
it conveniently breaks the week of the Traders finale and reunion.
So that is the only opinion or take that I
have on Otherwise, like, good for them, it's how they
wanted to do it and seem fun.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Okay, Now I am so out of the loop, Zachary.
I have not been following anything, and so you're gonna
have to just teach me. And hopefully there's somebody listening
that doesn't know either, and so I'm not wasting their time.
Is Gabby still on Traders at this point?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
She's gonna be in the finale, She's in the top six,
definitely the top five.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Okay, so this is a big week for her. It's
a huge show. Everybody's watching Traders this season. She's in
the top, you know, six or five, she's up there
at the top. She's going to be in the finale show.
And then at the same time she has this announcement
where she got married. I did see that there were
some like traditions to this ceremony that were implemented. They
(02:21):
did do it in Vegas. Do we know anything else
about the wedding.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Yeah, they were married on January eleventh. Oh goodness, Yeah,
that's the date on the caption.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
That's why I'm saying it's just weird, and I don't
you know. At this point, it's like Ashley.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
You do this too.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I mean I think sometimes as a reality start, we
publicize and we could profit off of our personal lives
and you know all all you know, power tour.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
So she definitely dropped these pictures, probably because of the Traders.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Finally, she probably talked about it at the Traders reunion,
which was the last week, and then she wanted to
you know, share it on her own terms before she
got into more depth talking about it on the reunion.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, I do want to talk about social media strategy
here for a second. And I've never been one the
claim that I know what to do and when to
do it. But wouldn't this story you think be best
like saved because she's going to get pressed from being
on the reunion, so her name's going to be out
there in headlines. People are going to be talking about her.
If she waited one more month when this starts to
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die down from Traders and then shared that she got married,
don't you think that would have been more beneficial?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
No?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I think the reunion is the peak. It's going to
be the highest rated show. I always tell people like,
say everything you have to say at a reunion because
that's what everyone's watching. So I think that's why the
timing is the way it is.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Okay, perhaps there was some sort of proposal we're looking at.
I'm looking at the carousel photos right now on Instagram
and one of them says, will you marry me Gabby
on a crossword puzzle, a digital crossword puzzle. So maybe
we'll get the proposal story during the duraking etch a
sketch almost it kind of me back, So.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Let's say something I think during the reunion. It's it's
so interesting because Gabby was just so different on the
Bachelor and on Dancing with the Stars. So it's just
like this new version of her, this new era, Like
I truly feel like she's piqued and she's become her
most authentic self, and I think that's what's really resonating
with everyone all over the world.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Yeah, Okay, Zach, I might be asking a politically incorrect
question here, but I'm going to ask you. I know
you're part of the lgbtq Q community, so just ask him. So, okay,
she says husband and wife.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Is this that's a good question.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
I'm just gonna like, let you take that over from here.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
For sure. I don't think it matters.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I think sometimes I just say things without meaning, Like
I can call myself a she, but I'm not. I'm
still a boy. Like I'm not a she, but I
don't think we take labels that seriously. So I really
think it's probably all that.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Was he transitioned, right, I.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Don't think so, I don't know. I honestly don't know.
So I don't know why his pronouns. But I just
don't think the husband and wife was that deep. I
think it was just like a joking fun caption.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Okay, because she calls you know, because Gabby calls herself
a lesbian on.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah the show? Right, yeah, so she's a lesbian. So
she says that I don't know what Robbie's pronouns are,
so right.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
These are these are this is I think, Zachary, thanks
for answering these questions or walking through them with us
to kind of close this thought up. Was this the
first time? Because it made a lot of headlines? Was
this the first time Gabby had came out publicly and
said that she was a lesbian on Traders? Because it
felt like a bigger story than what I thought it
would be, because I thought we all knew this for years,
(05:34):
or at least.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
The first episode someone asked her about The Bachelor and
she was like, oh, I'm a lesbian now. So she
said that on episode one, and she originally came out
as a lesbian on the View I think about two
years ago. Okay, Oh, and she got into a relationship
pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, all right, that makes more sense. I was like,
why is this a story? I don't get it. I
thought this was just the thing that had been you know,
I thought this was already a story, or she'd already
came out publicly. Well, with all this being said, congratulations
to Gabby because here's what I do know. Talk to
her close friends. I won't say name, some close friends
of hers within the Bachelor Nation world. When Gabby and
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Robbie first started dating, and they told me that I'll
never forget it because I said, what is going on
with Gabby? In all honesty, I was confused, thrown off, like,
what is happening right now? Helped me make sense of
what Gabby is walking into. And they said, Gabby is
so happy, They're so in love. They're gonna get married.
And I said, wow, Okay, that now clears up everything
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that I've been confused by. And obviously now they are married,
So congratulations to the two of them on making it official.
It's a big deal. I'm also, though, quite honestly, from
what I know about Robbie, shocked that they got married.
I never thought this would happen. I never saw Robbi
saying we're going to actually like put a title or
make it like this covenant together in marriage. I thought
(06:57):
this was just gonna be a thing they did forever.
But hey, they obviously love each other, they're obviously wanting
to make this something more serious.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I mean she scored.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I mean Gabby Wendy is like hot as hot af
I mean like you gotta wipe that up while you can.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, well that happened Las Vegas. Yeah, it is absolutely fantastic.
That was the first big story. Then we're gonna walk
into all these other stories that are happening in Bachelor Nation.
The reason that Zachary is here today we do a
Headlines episode every week breaking down these headlines that happen
in Bachelor Nation, and they're some big, some small. Most
of the time they're kind of passover headlines. We have
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some headlines right now, including Gabby, that are ones that
we need to discuss with an expert, and that's why
Zachary is here. Ashley, last night, I'm getting text I
just had a newborn. You guys got to stop texting
me at eleven o'clock at night.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
That's absolutely as Hey, it's not me, it's our producers.
But the point is, Zachary, you are kind of the
headline this week. Exciting Carol, who is one of the
more attention grabbing the contestants from this season of the Bachelor,
tell us about the drama that's going down between you two.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
It's so crazy because she finally texted me back right
before we hopped on, like literally, gosh.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Perfect, good, good good. Maybe she knew, she had a
spidey sense that you were going to talk about it
again right.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
So thank god because now I know how she feels,
because originally she didn't talk to me for two days
after she got upset so quickly, and I tried to
resolve things offline, but then it became impossible because of
what she was posting. So I feel like, what went
down is the question, like from the beginning, I don't
know if you guys saw it that I put it
out on TikTok the full.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Story, So let's part one here. She went to Women
Till All this week, and she was quite public in
speaking about how she has gotten more screen time by
a lot than any other contestant on GRAMD season, which
is however, we have the data, the Bachelor data has
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gotten out there and shown just how much screen time
she's gotten over anyone else. But she was kind of
ticked off that they didn't allow her to talk to
the press because at Women Tell All, usually the girls
that get the most screen time the fan favorites or
the villains or whatnot usually go to the press room
afterward and talk to Access and E and you know,
(09:28):
all the other major outlets that are there. They did
not want her there, and this did not make her
happy because I think she wanted to explain herself, and
she's alluding on her Instagram story that they didn't want
her to explain herself.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I mean, from what I'm hearing, it sounds like the
women to all went in circles for her. It sounds
like there wasn't resolution. A lot of the girls were
trying to make up with her and they weren't able to.
So I think that there might have just been so
much talking in circles that it just felt like she
was so emotional and maybe it was best that she
didn't do press so that she can kind of calm
down and collect her thoughts and do a podcast after
she has more time to process things when she's just
(10:08):
in a more clear headspace to be more articulate.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Okay, Well, this sounds to me as if that possibly
the Bachelor wants her to go on. Joe and Serena's
podcast was just the official Bachelor podcast where they go
for more long form explanations.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Well, this is the official Bachelor podcast.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
To me, well, thank you. We like to think of
ourselves the same as we are along with Caitlin Bristow
the first podcast.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Right, but she does interviews with a lot of people
like you guys are all Bachelor Nation like mostly to
their core. And I told Ashley this, like, I binge
your episodes during my road trip and I love it.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Thank you so much. So, but do you do you
speculate the same?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
No, I think I just I don't think it's about
the podcast, sure, but I think it's just what I said.
I think she just really was too emotional and that's
probably why they didn't have her due press That's just
my opinion.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
My opinion is that they want her to go on
the other podcast.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Well that's that two things can be true.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Okay, this is true.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
In my experience on the show, I do think there
would be a fear of somebody overly emotional going on
to a press room. I think there's too much that
could be said in the midst of anger, in the
midst of sadness about the show. Not that there's these
(11:32):
crazy things that the show is trying to hide. There
really isn't She could say a lot of things that
contestants for years have said about editing and camera time
and all these things that it's like, that's kind of true,
but if you're really ever on a shoot, it's not
really the full story. So there's a ton of things
that she could say. But I'm guessing there's something about
what like the path she was going now where the
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show said this would be bad if it gets out
in an interview, like this could be the could go wrong,
Which brings me to my question that we started this
thing with that I'm unfamiliar with, Zachary, how did you
get involved in this?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
So long story short, We me and Carolina worked together
about two and a half years ago a shoot. She
works at a do you say where? Yeah, she works
at like a she used to I don't know if
she does. She works at like a company called flight House.
So it was just like a campaign. They hire influencers
to come in for the day. It was like a
KFC ad, like a little dating show, and Chris Olsen
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was actually the bachelor and I was one of the
three contestants. She was the producer for the day, so
I was with her the whole day, which is strange
for me because I usually don't leave the house during
the day. So we got close and we vibed. But
I haven't seen her or talked to her in two
and a half years. So then once I found out
that she was going on the show, when they announced
the cast, I reached out to her and was like, hey,
oh my gosh, so excited, and then she reached out
(12:50):
back and we restarted, you know, some type of friendship then.
So we've been talking all season, and you know, I
she did reach out to me last week about something
and I gave her some good advice for The Women
Tell All and just really encouraged her to speak her mind.
And then a few days later I decided to text
her on Monday and I said, how is The Women
Tell All? And then she proceeded to tell me how
(13:12):
it was, and unfortunately, it did not go well for her,
and she.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Walked off stage.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
And she told me that she walked off stage during
some type of break where the girls were touching up
their makeup and they weren't supposed to leave their seats.
From what I'm hearing from someone else, but that's the
time that they were had a second of downtime so
she was able to.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
So then she walked off stage and.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Was crying and was just really emotional about how all
the girls were, you know, ganging up on her, and
the cameras followed her backstage, which I think she really
felt was an invasion of her privacy. And sure, you know,
I agree with that. I mean, obviously it's up for debate.
It's a TV show. Maybe you guys can weigh in,
but I completely understand that it was a really traumatizing
experience for her. And I've been, you know, just trying
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to support her all season and also living for the
tea that she spills because hello, like I love the Bachelor,
So everything's always been in confidence when we've talked. But
after she told me that she walked off stage, I
decided to tweet I heard that someone walked off stage
and that you can't guess who. So that really triggered
her because even though I didn't say any names or
(14:17):
reveal where my source came from, she felt like I
kind of misled the situation. And I do feel that
I kind of did a little bit as well, but
I also apologized immediately, and you know, I would have
deleted it she just reacted so quickly, so then she
posted our text online and things started to transpire from there.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Okay, so here's my take. I think that, yes, why
are you saying guess who? It does allude to her
as she's been the kind of drama queen this season.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Sure, but also up for debate because there was another
tweet about Dina could have been anyone totally.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
I think that she's also being a little dramatic by
saying by being so upset by it and by posting
your text messages.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yeah, absolutely, and I feel like that too. So that's
why I just wish that she could have texted me
immediately and said, hey, like that was a rude text.
I mean, that was a rude tweet, like can you
delete it or something?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
But within ten seconds, she was already calling me dirty,
saying that I'm as evil as the producers and posting
our text online, making it seem like to everyone who
doesn't have the full context, that I am dirty and
then I am evil in producers, evil as producers, when
in reality, it was just one misstep of a tweet
that I apologized for immediately gave her a heads up
that I was going to say something. It's not like
it was blindsided, and like, I, what the hell? Like
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we've been talking for over a month, Like there's been
so many things she's told me that I've never ever
and still would never like expose. So I just felt
like I was trying to do my job and tease
to my followers that there was going to be some
big explosive moment at the Women Tell All, and I probably,
like you know, made it a little bit more dramatic,
and that's what ticked her off.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
And then she went even more dramatic.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
And now I feel like it's okay.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Yeah, okay, Well you teased to us that you talked
to her right before getting on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, what did she say?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
So I haven't heard from her in a couple of days.
So everything I felt about it I said on my
TikTok And I also did Courtney Robertson's podcast yesterday, so
feel free to listen if you guys care. But she
basically just texted me twenty minutes ago saying that she
did not want a beef with anyone and that she
just felt disappointed that I reached out to her as
a friend and that I kind of made things worse
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for her by posting it on TikTok, and that you know,
she just wanted some more empathy and that you know,
didn't want me to add fuel to the fire. So
that's basically what she just said. And my response is, like,
I wasn't trying to add fuel to the fire. She
was posting a bunch of stories about the women Tell All.
Therefore I have to report on the stories also trying
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to like tease it from my followers, you know, like
there's there's so many blurred lines here that like I
just never had ill intentions, and her and her friends
accused me of having ill intentions multiple times, and we're
really trying to fight with me in comment sections, and
it was just so frustrating to have my character be
so questioned, and you know, you know what I mean,
It's like so ridiculous because it's just like, come on,
Like I always gave her the benefit of the doubt
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as I watched the show, Like clearly she's made a
lot of mistakes on the show, and I felt like
I was defending her all season long. So the one
time that I make the slightest mistake in a tweet
she runs to that and then kind of sends her
friends to attack me.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Is just uncalled for.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Some contexts here. So from the outside looking in, if
we're sitting down having during talking through this, what you know,
signing up for Rally television opened you up to these
type of scenarios. And it's not that people are out
to get you. However, I see where Carelyne is coming
from and the fact that she probably feels like everybody's
out to get her, because all season it seemed like
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everybody was out to get her. So this whole show
except exactly so I'm gonna get to you. But on this,
on the filming of the show, I've always been more
supportive of her than probably the television screen portrays, because
it's like you are sitting in an impossible scenario. Nothing
you could say goat went over well, and nothing you
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didn't do went over well. So you were stuck, Carolyn,
Like this sucks. You got in that vacuum, in that
cycle that the Bachelor sometimes throws people into, and you
can't get out of it, and it's best just to
go home because you're not gonna win here. However, You're
gonna be fine and if she listens to this, I
want her to know that she's gonna be fine, not
in the way of like, hey, you're gonna like one
day be okay. It's like this is actually gonna be
(18:40):
a really good thing for you. Like give it a
week here and don't overreact, and everybody's gonna be talking
about you. Everybody's gonna be reaching out to you. You're
gonna be one of maybe two or three girls this
season that's remembered in two more years. Everybody else is
gonna go on with their lives. You actually have a
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chance to go on some of these other shows, or
to do some press interviews or whatever you want to do.
We would love to have you on the Almost Famous podcast.
We'd love to talk to you. We don't want to
talk to everybody from the season, but we definitely want
to talk to you Carolina. And then the next is
I think when it comes to you, she probably in
that moment, I'm assuming, felt like you're one more persons
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that is coming after her. And the truth is, if
you look at it from the outside, it's like I
read that tweet, I saw I follow you on X,
I saw what you tweeted. I never once thought you
were going after somebody. I think all it was doing
was highlighting a situation that happened on the show that
people are going to now want to pay more attention to.
And I actually think you did a favor by doing that.
And I hope she sees that because you're not out
(19:43):
to get her. I mean, I guess you should answer
that question, Zach, are you act to get her?
Speaker 5 (19:48):
No?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Okay, that was just the hardest part for me, Like,
I just don't like people questioning my intentions like that,
Like especially Avia's just that was what really bothered me.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
She's she's sensitive. I get why. I get why she's
on edge right now. The show sucked for her. It
hasn't gone well. It's been a brutal experience since the beginning.
Airing it back was a brutal experience. She got the
most television time and most of it was just people
ripping on her. I get why she's on edge, But
at that in three months, she's gonna like all this
is gonna calm down. She's going to look back in
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this scenario with you and go I was so on
edge that I overreacted to something that was actually not
intentionally out to hurt me, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Absolutely. I hope that she realizes that. I'm sure she does.
And that's and I've noticed that she's gotten so much,
you know, backlash this season. So I was just really
disappointed that, you know, allegedly she spondered the opportunity at
the women tell all, because I really, like I was
saying earlier about reunions, that is your chance to say
it all. And that's why I gave her such good advice.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Before the tell all.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I sent her a long paragraph giving her advice, and
you know, it's unfortunate that she didn't take it.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
And her complained. My take on her complaining about the
cameras following her than making a scene out of her
going backstage, It's like, yeah, well, you can't really complain
about your lack of privacy because you did sign up
for a reality show.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
And yes, the cameras are going to follow you if
you're crying.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, crying. Crying is a matriate for cameras. Yeah, you
start crying, cameras are everywhere. I do want to ask you, guys,
you both are very familiar with the show. Would this
be the first time ever that somebody's walked off stage
at a reunion, like actually walked off stage.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
And it sounds like she wasn't in the hot stage
and walked off stage, so I would say that it's
not that dramatic.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I mean, we I love a walk off stage moment.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Like Also, like I was, I was trying to rally
for her, like get people excited, like this tell all
is going to be lit, like she's gonna walk off stage,
like let's go. Like I was never trying to, like,
you know, make her uncomfortable because like, well, when we
see the show, then we can all be like, whoa,
what happened?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Right?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
So I will always give her the benefit of the doubt.
So I'm excited to see the tell all and see
how it plays out on TV. And obviously, you know
it gets cut down, so unfortunately things will be cut
and could be misconstrued. But I do hope that it
is portrayed as accurately as possible because I'm excited to
see what went down.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I'll be watching it now. I mean I was gonna
have to watch it before because we have to talk
about it, but I'll be really excited to watch this now,
knowing that at some point she gives the peace sign.
I mean that takes some courage, right, Ashley, You've been
on that stage before. To get up and walk out
takes a lot of like you either really mad or
you're very very strong. I would have never, in my
(22:30):
wildest dreams got off and walked off that stage. I
was so scared of the producers that I would have
that scene for as long as I need it.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
That is so true. Yeah, if you don't want attention
stared your seat, I mean, I.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Get it, though, Like she probably was breaking, Like I'm
sure it's so brutal having ten to twelve girls to
come down your throat and you know, not being able
to articulate your feelings because you're so emotional. So like
she was probably waiting for that one moment that she
could just walk off stage and have a second to
herself and just break down. Like I'm sure that was
such a hard day for her. So I do want
to just apologize if I added anything to that to her.
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I really just didn't ever wanted to do that. I
just felt like this was a situation that like everyone
had to be held accountable, and I helped myself accountable
as well.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
And I also just want to mention that you and
I did defend Carolina a lot during this season. It
wasn't until the last episode that she was on that
I was like, Okay, maybe not the best move, but
there were a lot of reasons for her to be
upset throughout the season that I think I think she
got a bad rap for. And now, thanks Zach, you
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have made us look forward to women tell All that
we don't really Yeah, thanks for being an advocate for
the show.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
All a reunion a finale, Sign me up, I'm all
about it that That is just like my ideal night
any time of the week is a reunion.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I love it each Have you ever been to a
Tell All Live?
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Well, I just went to Jones Golden Bachelorette for the
first time ever. I was wanting to go for years,
so it was so exciting.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
You got to get yourself a regular ticket to those things.
They're wild. When you're there in person, You're like, is
this really happening? Am I going to get to watch
this on television? Hey? Final thoughts? I know you and
Ashley talked about this. It's been what two weeks a
week and a half since you've been on the show.
Kind of your summary thoughts as Grant season comes to
an end. We just got through Hometowns, We're walking into
(24:30):
the week of Fantasy Suites. Are you still enjoying this
season as much as you did, you know two episodes ago.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I always enjoy it more towards the end, and that's
what I always tell everybody, like it always gets better
those last few episodes.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
So let's go.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
I'm so excited to see what's going to happen. I
am very confident on who he picks, but I am
not one hundred percent confident they are still together and
that things are hunky dory. So I am more excited
to see where this couple is at at after the
final rows, if they're actually going to make it work.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Are they putting on a show? Are they happy?
Speaker 4 (25:01):
And that is what is getting me tuning in and
what is making me excited about the end of the season.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Zach, that's a whole other conversation.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
We will have to leave it there for now, but
I will come back next week.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
Why are you not so sure about the happy ending?
It would it have to do with what goes down
at the finale or something that has gone down since
they've gotten engaged.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Particularly I said, I'm not one hundred percent sure, but
I did hear that there could be some issues, some.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Issues, but it might not.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
You know, I'm keeping it so vague, which sucks, right
because I don't want it because it's all right, But
there just could be, you know, there's something to look
forward to. I think there is going to be some
revelations and some drama, and I think fans are going
to be really excited to see what actually happens.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
But the final two, how will Grant be remembered?
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Then?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
In your opinion, Zachary, at the end of all this,
making the assumptions you're making, knowing what you know and
what you've seen so far, how like, who would you
compare Grant to in terms of how people think of
him as the Bachelor?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
I like the who I would say they'll maybe make it,
maybe compare him to Zach Shallcross.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I love Zach so much. We just don't think about
a season very and.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
I am totally reserving all judgment for Grant so far.
I think he's done a great job as a bachelor.
He's been kind, respectful and mature, and I am you know,
will give my opinions when I see the episodes.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Can I say one thing before we wrap with you.
Ben has heard that he may pick a winner in
an unconventional way.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Do you hear the same the most unconventional way, like
a way that will make no fans happy?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I haven't heard anything like that.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Oh, okay, we'll wait and see.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
I thought that was perhaps why there has been drama
with papers.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
We will chats. We will chat so soon, I promise.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Okay, okay, let's do it. We'll have you back on soon.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah, thank you, guys.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Until next time. I've been Ashley, and I've been.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Ben, and I've been Zachary, say all.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's almost famous podcast. We are here today with I
would say at this point our most consistently favorite co host,
Zachary Reality Zachary, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Thank you for having me back.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I'm so excited to be back and excited to get
into it with you guys.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We have so much to get into. Let's start out
with this. We all have a take. I don't want
to say an opinion because that feels weird. A take. Gabby,
Wendy and Robbie got married. I think it was announced yet,
like this morning or yesterday. It was a seven and
ninety nine dollars Las Vegas wedding. The videos are out.
(00:45):
I hadn't even heard rumors that they were going to
get married. I mean we did. I don't think this
is a shock to anybody. They got married. I just
kind of heard rumors that they're even thinking about it.
Maybe I was out of the loop. So I'd love
to hear from you guys what I missed and what
you think of it all.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Well, they weren't engaged or so we didn't know they
were engaged. But yeah, I wonder where did the ceremony
take place. Do you know zach Las Vegas? Oh, I
know it loves Vegas. Was that like at the Little
White Wedding Chapel like so many other celebrities.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It was definitely out of chapel. They've moved.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
They've been together for two years, so I don't think
it's the craziest thing in the world. It's like, I
don't know if fans think it was like after like
three months, but it definitely was a little shocking that
they kept it a secret for two months and then
it conveniently breaks the week of the Traders finale and reunion.
So that is the only opinion or take that I
have on Otherwise, like, good for them, it's how they
wanted to do it and seem fun.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Okay, Now I am so out of the loop, Zachary.
I have not been following anything, and so you're gonna
have to just teach me. And hopefully there's somebody listening
that doesn't know either, and so I'm not wasting their time.
Is Gabby still on Traders at this point?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
She's gonna be in the finale, She's in the top six,
definitely the top five.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Okay, so this is a big week for her. It's
a huge show. Everybody's watching Traders this season. She's in
the top, you know, six or five, she's up there
at the top. She's going to be in the finale show.
And then at the same time she has this announcement
where she got married. I did see that there were
some like traditions to this ceremony that were implemented. They
(02:21):
did do it in Vegas. Do we know anything else
about the wedding.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Yeah, they were married on January eleventh. Oh goodness, Yeah,
that's the date on the caption.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
That's why I'm saying it's just weird, and I don't
you know. At this point, it's like Ashley.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
You do this too.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I mean I think sometimes as a reality start, we
publicize and we could profit off of our personal lives
and you know all all you know, power tour.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
So she definitely dropped these pictures, probably because of the Traders.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Finally, she probably talked about it at the Traders reunion,
which was the last week, and then she wanted to
you know, share it on her own terms before she
got into more depth talking about it on the reunion.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, I do want to talk about social media strategy
here for a second. And I've never been one the
claim that I know what to do and when to
do it. But wouldn't this story you think be best
like saved because she's going to get pressed from being
on the reunion, so her name's going to be out
there in headlines. People are going to be talking about her.
If she waited one more month when this starts to
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die down from Traders and then shared that she got married,
don't you think that would have been more beneficial?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
No?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I think the reunion is the peak. It's going to
be the highest rated show. I always tell people like,
say everything you have to say at a reunion because
that's what everyone's watching. So I think that's why the
timing is the way it is.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Okay, perhaps there was some sort of proposal we're looking at.
I'm looking at the carousel photos right now on Instagram
and one of them says, will you marry me Gabby
on a crossword puzzle, a digital crossword puzzle. So maybe
we'll get the proposal story during the duraking etch a
sketch almost it kind of me back, So.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Let's say something I think during the reunion. It's it's
so interesting because Gabby was just so different on the
Bachelor and on Dancing with the Stars. So it's just
like this new version of her, this new era, Like
I truly feel like she's piqued and she's become her
most authentic self, and I think that's what's really resonating
with everyone all over the world.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Yeah, Okay, Zach, I might be asking a politically incorrect
question here, but I'm going to ask you. I know
you're part of the lgbtq Q community, so just ask him. So, okay,
she says husband and wife.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Is this that's a good question.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
I'm just gonna like, let you take that over from here.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
For sure. I don't think it matters.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I think sometimes I just say things without meaning, Like
I can call myself a she, but I'm not. I'm
still a boy. Like I'm not a she, but I
don't think we take labels that seriously. So I really
think it's probably all that.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Was he transitioned, right, I.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Don't think so, I don't know. I honestly don't know.
So I don't know why his pronouns. But I just
don't think the husband and wife was that deep. I
think it was just like a joking fun caption.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Okay, because she calls you know, because Gabby calls herself
a lesbian on.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah the show? Right, yeah, so she's a lesbian. So
she says that I don't know what Robbie's pronouns are,
so right.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
These are these are this is I think, Zachary, thanks
for answering these questions or walking through them with us
to kind of close this thought up. Was this the
first time? Because it made a lot of headlines? Was
this the first time Gabby had came out publicly and
said that she was a lesbian on Traders? Because it
felt like a bigger story than what I thought it
would be, because I thought we all knew this for years,
(05:34):
or at least.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
The first episode someone asked her about The Bachelor and
she was like, oh, I'm a lesbian now. So she
said that on episode one, and she originally came out
as a lesbian on the View I think about two
years ago. Okay, Oh, and she got into a relationship
pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, all right, that makes more sense. I was like,
why is this a story? I don't get it. I
thought this was just the thing that had been you know,
I thought this was already a story, or she'd already
came out publicly. Well, with all this being said, congratulations
to Gabby because here's what I do know. Talk to
her close friends. I won't say name, some close friends
of hers within the Bachelor Nation world. When Gabby and
(06:12):
Robbie first started dating, and they told me that I'll
never forget it because I said, what is going on
with Gabby? In all honesty, I was confused, thrown off, like,
what is happening right now? Helped me make sense of
what Gabby is walking into. And they said, Gabby is
so happy, They're so in love. They're gonna get married.
And I said, wow, Okay, that now clears up everything
(06:36):
that I've been confused by. And obviously now they are married,
So congratulations to the two of them on making it official.
It's a big deal. I'm also, though, quite honestly, from
what I know about Robbie, shocked that they got married.
I never thought this would happen. I never saw Robbi
saying we're going to actually like put a title or
make it like this covenant together in marriage. I thought
(06:57):
this was just gonna be a thing they did forever.
But hey, they obviously love each other, they're obviously wanting
to make this something more serious.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I mean she scored.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I mean Gabby Wendy is like hot as hot af
I mean like you gotta wipe that up while you can.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, well that happened Las Vegas. Yeah, it is absolutely fantastic.
That was the first big story. Then we're gonna walk
into all these other stories that are happening in Bachelor Nation.
The reason that Zachary is here today we do a
Headlines episode every week breaking down these headlines that happen
in Bachelor Nation, and they're some big, some small. Most
of the time they're kind of passover headlines. We have
(07:35):
some headlines right now, including Gabby, that are ones that
we need to discuss with an expert, and that's why
Zachary is here. Ashley, last night, I'm getting text I
just had a newborn. You guys got to stop texting
me at eleven o'clock at night.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
That's absolutely as Hey, it's not me, it's our producers.
But the point is, Zachary, you are kind of the
headline this week. Exciting Carol, who is one of the
more attention grabbing the contestants from this season of the Bachelor,
tell us about the drama that's going down between you two.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
It's so crazy because she finally texted me back right
before we hopped on, like literally, gosh.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Perfect, good, good good. Maybe she knew, she had a
spidey sense that you were going to talk about it
again right.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
So thank god because now I know how she feels,
because originally she didn't talk to me for two days
after she got upset so quickly, and I tried to
resolve things offline, but then it became impossible because of
what she was posting. So I feel like, what went
down is the question, like from the beginning, I don't
know if you guys saw it that I put it
out on TikTok the full.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Story, So let's part one here. She went to Women
Till All this week, and she was quite public in
speaking about how she has gotten more screen time by
a lot than any other contestant on GRAMD season, which
is however, we have the data, the Bachelor data has
(09:05):
gotten out there and shown just how much screen time
she's gotten over anyone else. But she was kind of
ticked off that they didn't allow her to talk to
the press because at Women Tell All, usually the girls
that get the most screen time the fan favorites or
the villains or whatnot usually go to the press room
afterward and talk to Access and E and you know,
(09:28):
all the other major outlets that are there. They did
not want her there, and this did not make her
happy because I think she wanted to explain herself, and
she's alluding on her Instagram story that they didn't want
her to explain herself.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I mean, from what I'm hearing, it sounds like the
women to all went in circles for her. It sounds
like there wasn't resolution. A lot of the girls were
trying to make up with her and they weren't able to.
So I think that there might have just been so
much talking in circles that it just felt like she
was so emotional and maybe it was best that she
didn't do press so that she can kind of calm
down and collect her thoughts and do a podcast after
she has more time to process things when she's just
(10:08):
in a more clear headspace to be more articulate.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Okay, Well, this sounds to me as if that possibly
the Bachelor wants her to go on. Joe and Serena's
podcast was just the official Bachelor podcast where they go
for more long form explanations.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Well, this is the official Bachelor podcast.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
To me, well, thank you. We like to think of
ourselves the same as we are along with Caitlin Bristow
the first podcast.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Right, but she does interviews with a lot of people
like you guys are all Bachelor Nation like mostly to
their core. And I told Ashley this, like, I binge
your episodes during my road trip and I love it.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Thank you so much. So, but do you do you
speculate the same?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
No, I think I just I don't think it's about
the podcast, sure, but I think it's just what I said.
I think she just really was too emotional and that's
probably why they didn't have her due press That's just
my opinion.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
My opinion is that they want her to go on
the other podcast.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Well that's that two things can be true.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Okay, this is true.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
In my experience on the show, I do think there
would be a fear of somebody overly emotional going on
to a press room. I think there's too much that
could be said in the midst of anger, in the
midst of sadness about the show. Not that there's these
(11:32):
crazy things that the show is trying to hide. There
really isn't She could say a lot of things that
contestants for years have said about editing and camera time
and all these things that it's like, that's kind of true,
but if you're really ever on a shoot, it's not
really the full story. So there's a ton of things
that she could say. But I'm guessing there's something about
what like the path she was going now where the
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show said this would be bad if it gets out
in an interview, like this could be the could go wrong,
Which brings me to my question that we started this
thing with that I'm unfamiliar with, Zachary, how did you
get involved in this?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
So long story short, We me and Carolina worked together
about two and a half years ago a shoot. She
works at a do you say where? Yeah, she works
at like a she used to I don't know if
she does. She works at like a company called flight House.
So it was just like a campaign. They hire influencers
to come in for the day. It was like a
KFC ad, like a little dating show, and Chris Olsen
(12:29):
was actually the bachelor and I was one of the
three contestants. She was the producer for the day, so
I was with her the whole day, which is strange
for me because I usually don't leave the house during
the day. So we got close and we vibed. But
I haven't seen her or talked to her in two
and a half years. So then once I found out
that she was going on the show, when they announced
the cast, I reached out to her and was like, hey,
oh my gosh, so excited, and then she reached out
(12:50):
back and we restarted, you know, some type of friendship then.
So we've been talking all season, and you know, I
she did reach out to me last week about something
and I gave her some good advice for The Women
Tell All and just really encouraged her to speak her mind.
And then a few days later I decided to text
her on Monday and I said, how is The Women
Tell All? And then she proceeded to tell me how
(13:12):
it was, and unfortunately, it did not go well for her,
and she.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Walked off stage.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
And she told me that she walked off stage during
some type of break where the girls were touching up
their makeup and they weren't supposed to leave their seats.
From what I'm hearing from someone else, but that's the
time that they were had a second of downtime so
she was able to.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
So then she walked off stage and.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Was crying and was just really emotional about how all
the girls were, you know, ganging up on her, and
the cameras followed her backstage, which I think she really
felt was an invasion of her privacy. And sure, you know,
I agree with that. I mean, obviously it's up for debate.
It's a TV show. Maybe you guys can weigh in,
but I completely understand that it was a really traumatizing
experience for her. And I've been, you know, just trying
(13:57):
to support her all season and also living for the
tea that she spills because hello, like I love the Bachelor,
So everything's always been in confidence when we've talked. But
after she told me that she walked off stage, I
decided to tweet I heard that someone walked off stage
and that you can't guess who. So that really triggered
her because even though I didn't say any names or
(14:17):
reveal where my source came from, she felt like I
kind of misled the situation. And I do feel that
I kind of did a little bit as well, but
I also apologized immediately, and you know, I would have
deleted it she just reacted so quickly, so then she
posted our text online and things started to transpire from there.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Okay, so here's my take. I think that, yes, why
are you saying guess who? It does allude to her
as she's been the kind of drama queen this season.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Sure, but also up for debate because there was another
tweet about Dina could have been anyone totally.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
I think that she's also being a little dramatic by
saying by being so upset by it and by posting
your text messages.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yeah, absolutely, and I feel like that too. So that's
why I just wish that she could have texted me
immediately and said, hey, like that was a rude text.
I mean, that was a rude tweet, like can you
delete it or something?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
But within ten seconds, she was already calling me dirty,
saying that I'm as evil as the producers and posting
our text online, making it seem like to everyone who
doesn't have the full context, that I am dirty and
then I am evil in producers, evil as producers, when
in reality, it was just one misstep of a tweet
that I apologized for immediately gave her a heads up
that I was going to say something. It's not like
it was blindsided, and like, I, what the hell? Like
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we've been talking for over a month, Like there's been
so many things she's told me that I've never ever
and still would never like expose. So I just felt
like I was trying to do my job and tease
to my followers that there was going to be some
big explosive moment at the Women Tell All, and I probably,
like you know, made it a little bit more dramatic,
and that's what ticked her off.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
And then she went even more dramatic.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
And now I feel like it's okay.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Yeah, okay, Well you teased to us that you talked
to her right before getting on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, what did she say?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
So I haven't heard from her in a couple of days.
So everything I felt about it I said on my
TikTok And I also did Courtney Robertson's podcast yesterday, so
feel free to listen if you guys care. But she
basically just texted me twenty minutes ago saying that she
did not want a beef with anyone and that she
just felt disappointed that I reached out to her as
a friend and that I kind of made things worse
(16:35):
for her by posting it on TikTok, and that you know,
she just wanted some more empathy and that you know,
didn't want me to add fuel to the fire. So
that's basically what she just said. And my response is, like,
I wasn't trying to add fuel to the fire. She
was posting a bunch of stories about the women Tell All.
Therefore I have to report on the stories also trying
(16:57):
to like tease it from my followers, you know, like
there's there's so many blurred lines here that like I
just never had ill intentions, and her and her friends
accused me of having ill intentions multiple times, and we're
really trying to fight with me in comment sections, and
it was just so frustrating to have my character be
so questioned, and you know, you know what I mean,
It's like so ridiculous because it's just like, come on,
Like I always gave her the benefit of the doubt
(17:18):
as I watched the show, Like clearly she's made a
lot of mistakes on the show, and I felt like
I was defending her all season long. So the one
time that I make the slightest mistake in a tweet
she runs to that and then kind of sends her
friends to attack me.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Is just uncalled for.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Some contexts here. So from the outside looking in, if
we're sitting down having during talking through this, what you know,
signing up for Rally television opened you up to these
type of scenarios. And it's not that people are out
to get you. However, I see where Carelyne is coming
from and the fact that she probably feels like everybody's
out to get her, because all season it seemed like
(17:57):
everybody was out to get her. So this whole show
except exactly so I'm gonna get to you. But on this,
on the filming of the show, I've always been more
supportive of her than probably the television screen portrays, because
it's like you are sitting in an impossible scenario. Nothing
you could say goat went over well, and nothing you
(18:18):
didn't do went over well. So you were stuck, Carolyn,
Like this sucks. You got in that vacuum, in that
cycle that the Bachelor sometimes throws people into, and you
can't get out of it, and it's best just to
go home because you're not gonna win here. However, You're
gonna be fine and if she listens to this, I
want her to know that she's gonna be fine, not
in the way of like, hey, you're gonna like one
day be okay. It's like this is actually gonna be
(18:40):
a really good thing for you. Like give it a
week here and don't overreact, and everybody's gonna be talking
about you. Everybody's gonna be reaching out to you. You're
gonna be one of maybe two or three girls this
season that's remembered in two more years. Everybody else is
gonna go on with their lives. You actually have a
(19:00):
chance to go on some of these other shows, or
to do some press interviews or whatever you want to do.
We would love to have you on the Almost Famous podcast.
We'd love to talk to you. We don't want to
talk to everybody from the season, but we definitely want
to talk to you Carolina. And then the next is
I think when it comes to you, she probably in
that moment, I'm assuming, felt like you're one more persons
(19:20):
that is coming after her. And the truth is, if
you look at it from the outside, it's like I
read that tweet, I saw I follow you on X,
I saw what you tweeted. I never once thought you
were going after somebody. I think all it was doing
was highlighting a situation that happened on the show that
people are going to now want to pay more attention to.
And I actually think you did a favor by doing that.
And I hope she sees that because you're not out
(19:43):
to get her. I mean, I guess you should answer
that question, Zach, are you act to get her?
Speaker 5 (19:48):
No?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Okay, that was just the hardest part for me, Like,
I just don't like people questioning my intentions like that,
Like especially Avia's just that was what really bothered me.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
She's she's sensitive. I get why. I get why she's
on edge right now. The show sucked for her. It
hasn't gone well. It's been a brutal experience since the beginning.
Airing it back was a brutal experience. She got the
most television time and most of it was just people
ripping on her. I get why she's on edge, But
at that in three months, she's gonna like all this
is gonna calm down. She's going to look back in
(20:18):
this scenario with you and go I was so on
edge that I overreacted to something that was actually not
intentionally out to hurt me, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Absolutely. I hope that she realizes that. I'm sure she does.
And that's and I've noticed that she's gotten so much,
you know, backlash this season. So I was just really
disappointed that, you know, allegedly she spondered the opportunity at
the women tell all, because I really, like I was
saying earlier about reunions, that is your chance to say
it all. And that's why I gave her such good advice.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Before the tell all.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I sent her a long paragraph giving her advice, and
you know, it's unfortunate that she didn't take it.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
And her complained. My take on her complaining about the
cameras following her than making a scene out of her
going backstage, It's like, yeah, well, you can't really complain
about your lack of privacy because you did sign up
for a reality show.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
And yes, the cameras are going to follow you if
you're crying.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, crying. Crying is a matriate for cameras. Yeah, you
start crying, cameras are everywhere. I do want to ask you, guys,
you both are very familiar with the show. Would this
be the first time ever that somebody's walked off stage
at a reunion, like actually walked off stage.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
And it sounds like she wasn't in the hot stage
and walked off stage, so I would say that it's
not that dramatic.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I mean, we I love a walk off stage moment.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Like Also, like I was, I was trying to rally
for her, like get people excited, like this tell all
is going to be lit, like she's gonna walk off stage,
like let's go. Like I was never trying to, like,
you know, make her uncomfortable because like, well, when we
see the show, then we can all be like, whoa,
what happened?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Right?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
So I will always give her the benefit of the doubt.
So I'm excited to see the tell all and see
how it plays out on TV. And obviously, you know
it gets cut down, so unfortunately things will be cut
and could be misconstrued. But I do hope that it
is portrayed as accurately as possible because I'm excited to
see what went down.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I'll be watching it now. I mean I was gonna
have to watch it before because we have to talk
about it, but I'll be really excited to watch this now,
knowing that at some point she gives the peace sign.
I mean that takes some courage, right, Ashley, You've been
on that stage before. To get up and walk out
takes a lot of like you either really mad or
you're very very strong. I would have never, in my
(22:30):
wildest dreams got off and walked off that stage. I
was so scared of the producers that I would have
that scene for as long as I need it.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
That is so true. Yeah, if you don't want attention
stared your seat, I mean, I.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Get it, though, Like she probably was breaking, Like I'm
sure it's so brutal having ten to twelve girls to
come down your throat and you know, not being able
to articulate your feelings because you're so emotional. So like
she was probably waiting for that one moment that she
could just walk off stage and have a second to
herself and just break down. Like I'm sure that was
such a hard day for her. So I do want
to just apologize if I added anything to that to her.
(23:07):
I really just didn't ever wanted to do that. I
just felt like this was a situation that like everyone
had to be held accountable, and I helped myself accountable
as well.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
And I also just want to mention that you and
I did defend Carolina a lot during this season. It
wasn't until the last episode that she was on that
I was like, Okay, maybe not the best move, but
there were a lot of reasons for her to be
upset throughout the season that I think I think she
got a bad rap for. And now, thanks Zach, you
(23:40):
have made us look forward to women tell All that
we don't really Yeah, thanks for being an advocate for
the show.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
All a reunion a finale, Sign me up, I'm all
about it that That is just like my ideal night
any time of the week is a reunion.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I love it each Have you ever been to a
Tell All Live?
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Well, I just went to Jones Golden Bachelorette for the
first time ever. I was wanting to go for years,
so it was so exciting.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
You got to get yourself a regular ticket to those things.
They're wild. When you're there in person, You're like, is
this really happening? Am I going to get to watch
this on television? Hey? Final thoughts? I know you and
Ashley talked about this. It's been what two weeks a
week and a half since you've been on the show.
Kind of your summary thoughts as Grant season comes to
an end. We just got through Hometowns, We're walking into
(24:30):
the week of Fantasy Suites. Are you still enjoying this
season as much as you did, you know two episodes ago.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I always enjoy it more towards the end, and that's
what I always tell everybody, like it always gets better
those last few episodes.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
So let's go.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
I'm so excited to see what's going to happen. I
am very confident on who he picks, but I am
not one hundred percent confident they are still together and
that things are hunky dory. So I am more excited
to see where this couple is at at after the
final rows, if they're actually going to make it work.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Are they putting on a show? Are they happy?
Speaker 4 (25:01):
And that is what is getting me tuning in and
what is making me excited about the end of the season.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Zach, that's a whole other conversation.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
We will have to leave it there for now, but
I will come back next week.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
Why are you not so sure about the happy ending?
It would it have to do with what goes down
at the finale or something that has gone down since
they've gotten engaged.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Particularly I said, I'm not one hundred percent sure, but
I did hear that there could be some issues, some.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Issues, but it might not.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
You know, I'm keeping it so vague, which sucks, right
because I don't want it because it's all right, But
there just could be, you know, there's something to look
forward to. I think there is going to be some
revelations and some drama, and I think fans are going
to be really excited to see what actually happens.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
But the final two, how will Grant be remembered?
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Then?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
In your opinion, Zachary, at the end of all this,
making the assumptions you're making, knowing what you know and
what you've seen so far, how like, who would you
compare Grant to in terms of how people think of
him as the Bachelor?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
I like the who I would say they'll maybe make it,
maybe compare him to Zach Shallcross.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I love Zach so much. We just don't think about
a season very and.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
I am totally reserving all judgment for Grant so far.
I think he's done a great job as a bachelor.
He's been kind, respectful and mature, and I am you know,
will give my opinions when I see the episodes.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Can I say one thing before we wrap with you.
Ben has heard that he may pick a winner in
an unconventional way.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Do you hear the same the most unconventional way, like
a way that will make no fans happy?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I haven't heard anything like that.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Oh, okay, we'll wait and see.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
I thought that was perhaps why there has been drama
with papers.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
We will chats. We will chat so soon, I promise.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Okay, okay, let's do it. We'll have you back on soon.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah, thank you, guys.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Until next time. I've been Ashley, and I've been.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Ben, and I've been Zachary, say all.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
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