July 16, 2024 • 34 mins
We're into the second week of Jenn Tran's season of The Bachelorette and things are getting dramatic!
Ben explains the the franchise is back on the rise... if they don't fumble the ball.
Ashley reveals that the season feels a bit "forced", but we're still early on.
And, we hear their predictions for the Top 4!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hello everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. It's Ashley
and Ben here breaking down episode two of Jen's season.
Hello Benjamin, Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Ashley. I cannot believe we're doing this together again.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I can't either. Today's definitely the last day. I've been
manifesting July fifteenth as the day, and I still think
it's today.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
So an absolute wild time. Well, Ashley, we are here
to talk about the Bachelor ed Bachelor. There is a
lot to talk about. This is kind of the episode
that things pick up a bit obviously.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Also, congratulations to the show did really well. Week one
did much better than our expectations ratings wise. So just
because I didn't feel like it was about a lot,
like I think that Jen's totally likable bachelorette, just didn't
think that people were like ready for it.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Well, I think the show is in a really good place.
If they don't ruin it and so like this season,
if they knock it out of the park, if they
don't try to manipulate too much, if they don't make
it super corny, if they don't make it unbelievable, then
I do think the show is in a really good place,
(01:28):
and I do think people are excited about the Bachelor
and Bachelorette again and the Golden Bachelor and Bachelor. Yeah, Ashley,
I did think this show, this episode's specifically walked a
fine line between me not believing it and believing it.
It did, at the end become believable to me. It
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felt there.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Was something missing from this episode for these guys to
be so riled up about.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, it felt like there was something missing. I also
really didn't like the intro with like them going to Australa.
It felt like all these like thirty year old dudes
were acting like ten year old children, like screaming, running around,
jumping on the beds with each other, like jumping on
the couch. It just was like it felt forced to me.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
There's some drama queens though in this bunch that I
feel like they would just act up for camera.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah. Oh the camera's on.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
There's corny, Yeah, and they're all.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Trying really hard to be funny, but like, not any
of them. There's not one yet that I'm like, Oh,
they're like just like quick witted. There's not one yet.
Gin Actually, yeah, those guys yet none of them stand
out to me as being like, like somebody would make
you belly laugh.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So I'm assuming that you didn't find anybody's stand up
performance during the group date good. It was Actually we
didn't see anything besides the Devin bashing.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah it felt weird. Let's start there. And so we're
obviously finding ourselves in Australia. Jin and the men are
starting out. Theydn't even stay in the mansion, which there
was no mansion this year. They're in Australia.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
About that, okay, I think that Marshall, who owns the mansion,
was like, guys, love you, but I'm not going to
leave for Golden Bachelorette, Bachelorette and Bachelor, so pick your two.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I still just believe money speaks, like I'm I think
he would leave for a price. Yeah, I guess to
have another house somewhere. I mean, the guy's been making
millions on this show. I think maybe. I mean, it's
not a bad theory. I'm just saying I would be
shocked if he doesn't have a price, and maybe the
price is too high for one night of filming, and.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well, definitely one night. He's not going to do it.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Sure, they're not going to do it.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
That's too much work for one night to turn over.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
That's a good point too. Well, they're not in the mansion.
They are in Australia. They're staying at a Marriot. We
got to see that nice little ad. I love Marriott.
It's big Marrit man, and the guys do their little intro,
which I've already said did not make me like him
any less or more. It just felt like I could
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fast forward through that and not see any of these
dudes doing what they were doing. Jen is looking beautiful
as usual.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
So beautiful, like look amazing, this entire episode amazing.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
And we start with a group date where these guys
are tasting different things. I do think there was something
at the very beginning of this group date that I
wanted to speak with you about. It. It is I
think his name is sam In. He's the one that
is the love virgin.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
He is lactose intolerant.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, lactose intolerant, a little quiet and to himself, and
I think they tried to make it a storyline, like
it felt like it was going to become a thing,
and I couldn't help thinking the whole time that he
was admitting that he just feels a little uncomfortable, a
little out of his element, that that's very normal, that's
very okay. This is the first week. You should feel
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a little out of your element. You are trying to
figure out how to date this girl or for her
to even try to get to know you in the
midst of some chaos. But it almost felt like they
were trying to make it where the other guys were
gonna get upset with him about it.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I felt, oh, really, I didn't vibe that, But I
like him.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I like him so far because you were.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Like, Okay, I kind of see what you're talking about.
Because the guy was like, oh, you're not eating that
because you're lactose and tolerant, almost like they wanted him
to be like, Oh, it's okay, a big tough guy,
I'll just eat whatever.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Just get a stomach ache for you. Yeah, let me
get a stomach ache for you. Not a not a
massive deal. But that kind of came and went, and
then we had the comedy show where all these guys
kind of out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Well, first, Devin pulls her aside to get gelato on
their own, yeah, which gives them the material to hate
him and.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
It was so crazy, Ashley, And maybe things are just
different now, but this happens. It happens every season. It's
not unexpected, and yes, you're not gonna like everything that
every other guy does. But my I remember being on
the back and thinking to myself, I'm gonna let these
other guys sabotage each other, like I am not the
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one that's gonna step in the middle of this. If
this dude wants to go spend time with her and
she really is into it, then that's great for them.
Maybe they're gonna end up together good. That's what we
hope happens here. Maybe she realizes that this dude is
a little annoying, and maybe the other guys dislike it
too and they step it up. But it felt like
all these guys kind of packed together and got mad together,
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which was very odd to me. You didn't just have
one guy going at him, you had multiple.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Devin is not the most likable guy, Like, we get it.
He's brash, bet and I he could even tell from
his bio he likes to eat things he's allergic to.
He's he's something okay, But what he did here was
not outrageous.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
At all.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
He pulled her aside for a few minutes to get
ice cream, and he didn't even kiss her. And pulling
someone aside on a group date to get a few
minutes alone not weird, not even rude. Okay, why would
you want to spend your entire time on the group
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date with the other guys? Who have these guys never
seen the show before. They were all just very jealous
that they didn't come up with an idea to pull
her aside themselves.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
They're using the word disrespectful. They kind of kept called
Devin disrespectful at multiple different times during this episode. Now, Devin,
I'm assuming, is not everybody's cup of tea. I don't
think everybody likes him, But I don't know anything he
did that was disrespectful. I don't think I saw anything
that was like out of the ordinary from any other
season or any other person trying to get as much
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time as possible. Now, again, I go back to typically,
if you're in a group setting, especially early on, the
guy that is going to do those type of things,
take her aside, pull her away, step into your conversations
is not the guy that's gonna be there at the end.
Because there's usually like he is the one that is
going to sabotage himself at some point with her, He's
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going to become too annoying or too brass or too
just in her face, and she's gonna be like, hey,
not for me, man, like take a chill pill, Like
we're going. If you're gonna be my partner, you have
to understand the environment that I'm in and that this
is really hard. And the more time you pull me
away means the less time I got to spend trying
to figure this whole thing out, like be my partner
here and not an annoyance. So I don't know why
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the guys get so upset, but they do, and they
take it upon him at the comedy special.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And Aaron, especially who's Noah's brother, has this weird issue
with him. Do you not think that was weird the
way that he felt towards him after this?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, well it represented the Bennett Noah argument. If you
remember back in the day when the two of them
sat down, like especially when Aaron gave him the book.
Bennett gave Noah a book, I think it was on
to something, yeah, something like that, And so now it
definitely was a little corny and cheesy from my perspective,
(09:07):
because you could tell that the show was definitely involved
and repeating that storyline or they're trying to repeat.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
This sarre But Ben, did you remember that on your own?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I think it did, actually, because.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
That's a fine note. Yeah, and it's been like four years, so.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I'm a historian of the show. Actually, Yeah, at this
point we've done this long enough.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Good job picking up on that. That is even cornier now.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
It was almost hard to watch because it was like, you,
this is this is no longer walking in in my
in like reality now. People ask you all the time
it's a show real or not? I always say, yes,
it is. It's very real. It just matters how you
go about it. That moment, to me was a little
too unrealistic, and it made me like kind of curl
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up an embarrassment, being like why am I watching this?
Does have a massive issue with Devon. He takes it
upon himself to make sure that he is angry.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
He keeps saying that he's not deep enough, that he's
not like, he's not qualified enough gentleman to be with Jen,
and to be honest, he really doesn't know him enough,
and he does call him by a different name. He
calls him Dylan, and I'm like, dude, multiple times.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
It's not a good look. I don't think anybody's gonna
watch it and be like that's a good look. Now again.
I don't know if Devon's for everybody.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Believe me, Devon isn't for everyone. But Aaron's behavior towards
him was even less for me, was far less for me.
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Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's a weird thing, Ashley. Little side note here, as
we're talking about a show where marriage or a proposal
is inevitable or at least the desired hope from the outcome,
you don't look at a partner and say, you know,
if conflict arises or there's something going on in life
where your partner is upset, you surely hope that they
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don't handle that situation like these guys are doing it
right now on the show. You hope that somebody steps
into the room and be like, here's the deal. You're upset.
You don't like him, you know what? That's okay, Like,
I can't convince you to like him. But what we
can do is understand that the more drama and the
more argument that we have in this room right now,
and the more we spend time focusing on this, the
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less beneficial this is for Jen and for any of
us in this room, including myself, who don't like who
doesn't like you. So let's put this aside. Let's understand
that I'm not happy with the decisions that you made,
and just know that I'm going to stand by that,
but I don't want it to interfere with this experience
that would be a response. Instead, these dudes right now
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are being childish, childish towards each other, and they're representing
themselves as childish, and I think it's very unattractive and
it's it's very weird right now because we don't have
that one person that's necessarily standing out. I think Marcus
stands out. I do, but he's not. And maybe it's
just because he isn't getting into the drama. But there's
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nobody just stepping up in the midst of this argument
and being like can we stop? Like what are we doing?
Like how long do we want this to go? For?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, chemistry wise, I still feel her with Sam. I'm
gonna Sean Booth look like Sam, but he but he
is getting into the drama as well.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
He is, He's stepping a toe in the water. I
still just have this feeling that he's going to get
more involved in the drama than we even know right now.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, I think so too, especially next week's episode. Okay,
the nighttime portion of the date, she is clicking with
Grant the basketball player Slash Day investor trader. Mm hmm, okay,
I mean I like him. He's cute, I mean very cute.
I get it, I get the get the deal.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
She she is definitely into the guys from the start
that definitely kind of have the yeah, yeah, like just
kind of you know, know, how to work a room
and have a conversation and be kind of like romantic
and like sensual. Like he just kind of that. She's
into that. With the Sam and Grant, you can tell
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that she likes that kind of look and vibe.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I mean the look. It's good look.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
And then she likes to be asked like those questions.
I think where like we said last week, it's kind
of like pick up artists like questions. But at the
same time, yeah, it feels like it could be either
pick up artist or it can be I'm just trying
to get to know you. But it just feels a
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little pickup artist Tony.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah, a little forced maybe is kind of what I
felt like. It felt really forced and it was you know,
but I get it. It's good on this show to
be intentional and to ask those questions as early as possible.
I do think there is a way to go about it.
That Grant just kind of dove in. Good for him,
not no criticism there, but he did just dive in
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right away. He was like, Hey, I have two minutes
to talk to you. What's your biggest fear, what's your
biggest mistake? Tell me everything.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Me feel awkward, like, I don't think I would respond
in that way, like I want more of a playful
back and forth conversation. But I also understand that that's
the kind of questioning that she feels like appreciated by
being asked.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I think she does. I mean, it does. It always
is nice to have somebody ask about you. And in
this experience, at least when I was a bachelor, I
don't I remember people being curious about me, but it
was a lot of me being curious about them. You know,
you're kind of the lead here in a lot of ways,
and you're guiding conversations, and you're you're the one that
feels like you're in charge of the conversation. I'm sure
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Jen feels that way very very often, and so it
is nice to kind of be set back and be like, no,
tell me about you. Who are you?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, just takes the pressure off for a minute.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
It does of having to be the one that's.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Carrying the conversation anyway. And then Jonathan. She also likes Jonathan,
and like I said, I thought Jonathan is pretty darn cute.
I know, it's quite the surprise after coming in in
a hospital gown and his face wrapped last week. He's
he doesn't scream like final three to me, but top
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six ish. He's ranking up there so far.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I mean, I think he has a legit shot at it.
He and Marcus feel very similar to me in terms
of how she feels about them. I do think there's
some longevity.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, they're like the second tier of feelings.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah, but there's longevity in it, right, So they're not
the initial shock and awe, the hot and heavy, Yeah,
but it does feel like it could be two that last.
Because they're right there, we're not getting a lot of
I mean, obviously Marcus had a one on one, but
we're not getting a ton from them yet. Even though
Marcus had a one on one and he shared his
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incredible story and what he's done for this country, I
don't feel like we he has the camera time as
others because outside of the one on one, we don't
see a lot from him we see a lot of
the arguments, we don't see a lot from Marcus. I
do think that's a sign that long term he'll be around.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Oh okay, so I was gonna say, you can flip
it and say that Marcus is the guy that she
would love to love, but may it may not be
there romantically.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Well off, d Wayne and see, they're definitely you know,
he'd be in my top four right now if we
did a top four, and we'll start here at the
end of the episode, but let's not even to the
Marcus story right away. Then he does have a one
on one. They have a really cool day where they
get to jump out of a plane. So glad that
did not happen on my season.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Have you ever done that?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Okay no, yeah, not not something that I'm asking to do.
I thought the show had gotten away from it because.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Of the legality protocol.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, but they're obviously, you know, if they go to Australia,
maybe rules don't apply. But they do jump out of
a plane, and then at dinner they do connect at
a deeper level and Marcus does get to share his story.
I think, no matter what, it is a life story
that when you when he shares it with you, there's
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a respect, there's an admiration, there's an appreciation. There's also
kind of a an understanding of who this guy is
after he shares it, Like you know, you know a
little bit more of what you're getting. You don't know
the whole picture, but you know he's loyal, he cares,
he serves, and that he's tough as nails.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, he's just like kind of the quintessential guy that
you're like, that's a stand up man that you want
to find and hopefully you have chemistry with them.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
He he just seems like what you just said, like
he's got a lot of heart and soul. He's going
to be a hard egg to crack. He did a
great job though he keeps talking about how he's not
like super vocal when it comes to emotions, but he
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really opened up and you can tell that there's going
to be so much more to him even when when
he opens up further. And yeah, once you tell that
story about how you know, he was sent over to
Afghanistan a number of times and on his last trip
over there, he got sent back was in the hospital
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for like two months. You know that like once he
opens up about that, he's going to be more comfortable
opening up about pretty much everything else.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, he's one to watch for sure. It's a great
one on one date and then moves us into the
group date. The group date is a photo shoot with
animals from Australia. I think this is awesome.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I love this group date.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
This is great. It's super fun, it's easy. It's also it's.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
A great watch for us, Like, it's just fun for
us to watch. I agree, and Hikeim is just I
want him to be in my top four now because
he is hilarious. He has those crazy eyes and it
makes very expressive eyes. And the dude with the spider,
like I knew that the spider was gonna come, and
the fact that of course he's like, just don't want
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to be a spider, just don't wanted to be a spider.
Of course a spider. His reaction to it was just
so freaking funny. And I love him for this because
the spider would have been the one that I dread
the most. Put that big snake around my neck far
before have the spider crawl up my shoulder.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, there are so many animals there. They were like
of course you can have a little like furry thing
on your hands, and then he gets a spider. It
was great television. I like that nobody took it negatively.
That everybody's like, I get a man, that thing's creepy,
Like I feel you. I don't know if I hate
that much, but I know that there are things that
you could put on me, like a big snake around
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my neck. That'd be like, no, not my deal, don't
want this to happen.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Oh but Dylan did.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
He stud just actualely rocked it. Great for him. He
really showed off, showed up there in that moment. But
I'm glad nobody took it negatively from Khakim. I'm glad
they all laughed about it. Jen almost looked like she
was judging him a little bit based on his reaction,
But once the snake came out, I think she was like,
I get it now, No, I'm good, Like we're on
the same page here.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You thought that Jen was kind of judging Hikim's reaction, right.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, yeah. It almost looked like she was looking at
him like, come on, dude, step up.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Exactly, And I was thinking, oh my gosh, this girl
must really not have a fear of spiders, because to me,
I would have been one cracking up and being like,
please don't do this for me, kakm, do not do
this for me? Is I don't want no idea?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Well laughed about this later. You don't have to touch it,
It's fine. But then the snake came out and she
had the same reaction, and so then I think there
was a leveled the playing field. She said, I get
it now, we're all good.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
You're either afraid of spiders or afraid of.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Snakes, unless you're that guy that was passing him out.
He seemed afraid of nothing. The group date was great,
it was a good watch, and the cocktail party got
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a little discombobulated. It got a little bit funky. Right well,
there was.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
No cocktail party because Dylan went straight to the date.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
It was the What I'm thinking of is when they
all went back.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
To the hotel.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
The hotel was where things got a little bit messy.
It started to fire up a little bit. The one
only time was good, but the house was We were
starting to get a sense of what the next few
weeks of this season probably is going to look like.
And this is where I really somebody could step up
who wasn't involved in the drama and could just say, hey, guys,
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can we stop this, Like, what are we doing here?
This is all stupid.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I didn't like it. Okay, So the guys apparently convene
in the car and they say that, like, you know,
I'm assuming they had this conversation. We're gonna ask these guys,
because we didn't have a group nighttime portion, we would
like to make clear that we would like to be
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the priority at the cocktail party at the end of
the week. And that is the corniest thing ever that
makes me not like these guys. This is again protocol
on the show that you go and you know, like
sometimes group dates end up one on one day, it's
at the end of it, and then you go to
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the cocktail party and you fight for yourself. You don't
have a group meeting about who's gonna have more time
or the first time at the cocktail party the next day.
But anyway, that's what they decide to do. Go upstairs,
present this idea to the other guys that are just
sitting there waiting, and I guess, like some guys not
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in the grands, and Devin is like Devin's like, yeah,
I understand, yeah, yeah, yeah, We'll make sure that you
guys have priority. But he goes, but he does say,
but it doesn't mean. First of line, it doesn't mean
that I'm going to like sit out. And then the
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next day we get to that cocktail party and it
is drama because he takes her away.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
First two things here, One is these guys come back
thinking they're owed this time.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
That's what I mean. It's gross.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
It's always a weird thing on the show. Honestly, if
they have an issue with how this evening went for
them and that they didn't get time, you got to
take the up with Gin because Jin's the one that
decided to send you all home. She's the one that
stayed back with Dylan. She's the one that said the
rest of you goodbye, good riddance, go home, go you
do your thing. This is not the other guy's problem.
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Don't make your problems my problems. We say it very
often here on the show. And it feels like these
guys are going to try to make their problem with
not getting time the other guy's problem, and they're all
going to get together and have this really nice moment
be like yeah, you know what, I'll support you because
why we're not friends yet, Like we don't know each
other really yet. I don't owe you anything here. And
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at the same time, if you don't get your own time,
like if you haven't found out how to do that,
you're mad at Devin for pulling him away during a
group date, you could have done the same thing during
this photoshoot.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I know these guys from the first group date to
the second group date, they like want everything to do
like fair and balanced. Here it's like, well, this is
not this is a bachelorette. Well, I don't know what
kind of show you think you're on.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
It's just very weird because here's the truth. These guys
are legitimately upset. They're not actors. Nobody's paying them to
get upset. These guys are somehow finding a way to
get mad at Devon, And like I always say, the
producers could be in their heads being like, aren't you
so upset with Devin? How stupid is it that Devon's
doing this? And these guys are like, yeah, yeah, I'm
gonna go at him. But they're not forcing them to
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say a word. You have a choice here to say
something or not say something. These guys are all choosing
to say something to choosing to let this rile them
up and ruin this experience. It could be really great
for them. At this point in time on the show,
they have no reason to need to really stand out.
They just got to make it another week. There's like
twenty dudes there. Let those dudes sabotage themselves. Let them
blow the whole thing up, and then you can come
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in at the end and be like, hey, by the way, Jen,
I'm still here.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
They really thought that they were going to walk into
the cocktail party and be like, Okay, your turn, you
turn your turn. You're turned weird awkwards with you so weird.
So Dylan takes her or sorry, Devin takes her and yeah, yea,
was he going to look was were they gonna hate
him for this? Yes, but he did say not necessarily
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giving you guys first dibbs. And then he goes up
there talks to her, and then Thomas goes marching upstairs
in one of the most embarrassing moments I've seen so
early on in the show, and he's like you, pulls
him aside and says, we talked about this. You're being disrespectful.
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The fact that he didn't think that one pulling him
aside and spending wasting time on talking to Devin was
one gonna look bad, and two just having this confrontation
in front of Jen wasn't going to look bad. Like
what was going through his head that thought this was
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the right move.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
There's nothing that could have been going through his head
that thought this was the right move, because it wasn't.
He wasn't thinking clearly.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
He was hyped on the drama, just like drinking it up.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
He got very obsessed with it and then just ran
up to it. And then you know, if you do
this behind the scenes, sometimes Jen doesn't even find out.
Lee never even knows he needed this right in front
of her, Like she's very very much now, Jen's very smart,
she knows she goes. I know exactly who this guy is.
He is he is the disruptor. He is the guy
that's going to tell me at some point that somebody's
not here for the right reasons, and it's because he
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doesn't get along with everybody and he doesn't like somebody.
So he's just pretty much telling me he doesn't like
this person. And then I'm gonna have to send him
home at some point. I'm going to two and one
with this guy. Send him home at some point because
that's going to be the ass. But it doesn't look
good for him from this point forward. It looks really.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Oddome, really hard to recover from this.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, it's really hard to recover from this.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
It is okay any non Devin drama to talk about
during the cocktail party.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
There really isn't. It kind of takes up the whole
thing right until the very end, where obviously Devin still
gets a rose here another week now. I don't want
anybody listen to this and think I'm in team Devin exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Like I'm not saying I like the dude.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah, I'm just saying I don't get it yet, Like
I don't know why this guy, out of anybody there
is the one that's upsetting some people so much. I
also want to know more about Aaron. I think Aaron's
story is not even close to being finished. I had
high expectations for Aaron because he has Noah's brother, and
he did come in probably with some insight into the show.
Yet he chooses to come onto the show fired up
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from the beginning. I'm hoping that cools down a bit
because I want to like him, I want to root
for him, I want to get to know him. But
right now we're seeing none of that outside of his
arguments with Devin and even the kind of the awkwardness
with jen by kind of reintroducing himself, and she's like,
I just saw you today, Like what do you think
we do here? Like you get five minutes with me
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at these first couple of weeks, Like I know you
don't make me feel bad or make me question if
you're upset that you don't know me well enough for that.
I haven't spend enough time with you. I haven't spend
enough time with anybody yet.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
He makes me feel super uncomfortable. Well, watching human makes
me feel weird, well.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
One hundred percent, And the expectation is way too much
right now. Like if you're again, if you're going to
be a partner to Gin, one of the things you
look at as the lead at the beginning is who's
actually been a partner to me? Like, who is letting
me try to take a break, who is keeping it chill,
Who's maybe asking me some questions? So I'm not like
the only one conversing here to myself and just wonder,
you know, like give her some space and show her
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that you can be a good partner. And part of
being a partner is understanding where they're at in life.
And right now Gin is in some chaos. She's trying
to figure out what all your names are. For goodness sake,
give her a break on if you like she spent
enough time with you or who she spent more time with.
She doesn't know anybody yet, Like, just let her chill
and then as this continues, we'll see the deeper relationships
(30:43):
for him.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah. Also, I'll give the guys a second of benefit
of the doubt, just because you know how last season
I had I didn't have to. I wanted to and
new parts of the story in which we're missing with
Sydney's storyline, and I had a lot of sympathy for
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her because some things aren't, of course shown on TV.
So I'm just thinking watching this episode, was there something
missing that Devin said? Devin did that riled these guys
up so hot?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
We're not seeing any of that yet. Again, as I
said last season to you, actually we only know what
we know and what we see I know, so you know,
we'll play those games of what about this and what
about that? But then that doesn't do anybody any good
because we don't know. We can make assumptions, we can guess,
but we don't know. We know what we see, and
that's who we're here to talk to is the audience
(31:39):
that also is watching this alongside of us.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, okay, the guys that were eliminated, and there was
absolutely no Shockers in that group.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I just don't know anybody's name it this, so we
didn't know the names. Yeah, so like it does even work,
you know? For me, it's like, okay, good give in
two weeks, I'll start knowing these guys' names. I don't
know all these guys names. Yeah, I know like four
of them. That's why the top four is kind of difficult.
But we are going to do. Our top four is Ashley.
I'll start with my top four. I think a Keem
and Marcus are in the top four.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Are queen there?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Heck? Yeah, who else would I put at four?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
He's my top four?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah, And then I'm going to do Grant and Sam.
I do think Sam is probably going to be in
the top four the least amount of time. For me,
I just get this feeling that something's.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Going to background Sam as in sham Booth, Sam Sean
both meets Chase McNary.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Sure, great, and then Hakeem and Marcus.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Okay, okay, so I will change a little bit. I
think top four is definitely Sam, definitely Grant and Dylan
and like that, and then probably Marcus.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah gotta be Marcus.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, but I think that Marcus is.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
The fourth fair that's okay right now?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Oh and then yeah, okay, so Dylan, Marcus, Sam and
who else?
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I say, there's Grant, there's Jonathan, Grant, Grant.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I put Grant in there, and then Jonathan is my
top five. He's my like alternate's.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
He's on the bench right now. Yeah, but another good
episode from Jin. I absolutely love her is a bachelorette.
I think she's fantastic. I think she's a catch. I
hope some of these dudes step up. I think there's
a few that definitely are. But she deserves a really
great guy, and I'm hoping she finds it from this mix.
I'm not confident she will yet. I just I at
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our kind of theory last week is maybe playing on
my head more than ever that she might not end
up with anybody, because I don't know if there's a
guy here yet that she likes enough, that she likes
enough well to see.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Sam, she likes enough. But it's physical, yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
And that comes and goes. We all get old at
some point, Ashley, I really am excited for the week
ahead for you. I hope you're not here the next
time we record, but you may be. And I'm only
hoping you're not here because I'm hoping that you're a
mother of two at that point and that you're yeah, wild,
you kind of take a break. I can't believe some
of the last freedom time in your life is being
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hello everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. It's Ashley
and Ben here breaking down episode two of Jen's season.
Hello Benjamin, Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Ashley. I cannot believe we're doing this together again.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I can't either. Today's definitely the last day. I've been
manifesting July fifteenth as the day, and I still think
it's today.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
So an absolute wild time. Well, Ashley, we are here
to talk about the Bachelor ed Bachelor. There is a
lot to talk about. This is kind of the episode
that things pick up a bit obviously.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Also, congratulations to the show did really well. Week one
did much better than our expectations ratings wise. So just
because I didn't feel like it was about a lot,
like I think that Jen's totally likable bachelorette, just didn't
think that people were like ready for it.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Well, I think the show is in a really good place.
If they don't ruin it and so like this season,
if they knock it out of the park, if they
don't try to manipulate too much, if they don't make
it super corny, if they don't make it unbelievable, then
I do think the show is in a really good place,
(01:28):
and I do think people are excited about the Bachelor
and Bachelorette again and the Golden Bachelor and Bachelor. Yeah, Ashley,
I did think this show, this episode's specifically walked a
fine line between me not believing it and believing it.
It did, at the end become believable to me. It
(01:48):
felt there.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Was something missing from this episode for these guys to
be so riled up about.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, it felt like there was something missing. I also
really didn't like the intro with like them going to Australa.
It felt like all these like thirty year old dudes
were acting like ten year old children, like screaming, running around,
jumping on the beds with each other, like jumping on
the couch. It just was like it felt forced to me.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
There's some drama queens though in this bunch that I
feel like they would just act up for camera.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah. Oh the camera's on.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
There's corny, Yeah, and they're all.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Trying really hard to be funny, but like, not any
of them. There's not one yet that I'm like, Oh,
they're like just like quick witted. There's not one yet.
Gin Actually, yeah, those guys yet none of them stand
out to me as being like, like somebody would make
you belly laugh.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So I'm assuming that you didn't find anybody's stand up
performance during the group date good. It was Actually we
didn't see anything besides the Devin bashing.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah it felt weird. Let's start there. And so we're
obviously finding ourselves in Australia. Jin and the men are
starting out. Theydn't even stay in the mansion, which there
was no mansion this year. They're in Australia.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
About that, okay, I think that Marshall, who owns the mansion,
was like, guys, love you, but I'm not going to
leave for Golden Bachelorette, Bachelorette and Bachelor, so pick your two.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I still just believe money speaks, like I'm I think
he would leave for a price. Yeah, I guess to
have another house somewhere. I mean, the guy's been making
millions on this show. I think maybe. I mean, it's
not a bad theory. I'm just saying I would be
shocked if he doesn't have a price, and maybe the
price is too high for one night of filming, and.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well, definitely one night. He's not going to do it.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Sure, they're not going to do it.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
That's too much work for one night to turn over.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
That's a good point too. Well, they're not in the mansion.
They are in Australia. They're staying at a Marriot. We
got to see that nice little ad. I love Marriott.
It's big Marrit man, and the guys do their little intro,
which I've already said did not make me like him
any less or more. It just felt like I could
(04:02):
fast forward through that and not see any of these
dudes doing what they were doing. Jen is looking beautiful
as usual.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
So beautiful, like look amazing, this entire episode amazing.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
And we start with a group date where these guys
are tasting different things. I do think there was something
at the very beginning of this group date that I
wanted to speak with you about. It. It is I
think his name is sam In. He's the one that
is the love virgin.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
He is lactose intolerant.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, lactose intolerant, a little quiet and to himself, and
I think they tried to make it a storyline, like
it felt like it was going to become a thing,
and I couldn't help thinking the whole time that he
was admitting that he just feels a little uncomfortable, a
little out of his element, that that's very normal, that's
very okay. This is the first week. You should feel
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a little out of your element. You are trying to
figure out how to date this girl or for her
to even try to get to know you in the
midst of some chaos. But it almost felt like they
were trying to make it where the other guys were
gonna get upset with him about it.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I felt, oh, really, I didn't vibe that, But I
like him.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I like him so far because you were.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Like, Okay, I kind of see what you're talking about.
Because the guy was like, oh, you're not eating that
because you're lactose and tolerant, almost like they wanted him
to be like, Oh, it's okay, a big tough guy,
I'll just eat whatever.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Just get a stomach ache for you. Yeah, let me
get a stomach ache for you. Not a not a
massive deal. But that kind of came and went, and
then we had the comedy show where all these guys
kind of out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Well, first, Devin pulls her aside to get gelato on
their own, yeah, which gives them the material to hate
him and.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
It was so crazy, Ashley, And maybe things are just
different now, but this happens. It happens every season. It's
not unexpected, and yes, you're not gonna like everything that
every other guy does. But my I remember being on
the back and thinking to myself, I'm gonna let these
other guys sabotage each other, like I am not the
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one that's gonna step in the middle of this. If
this dude wants to go spend time with her and
she really is into it, then that's great for them.
Maybe they're gonna end up together good. That's what we
hope happens here. Maybe she realizes that this dude is
a little annoying, and maybe the other guys dislike it
too and they step it up. But it felt like
all these guys kind of packed together and got mad together,
(06:28):
which was very odd to me. You didn't just have
one guy going at him, you had multiple.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Devin is not the most likable guy, Like, we get it.
He's brash, bet and I he could even tell from
his bio he likes to eat things he's allergic to.
He's he's something okay, But what he did here was
not outrageous.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
At all.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
He pulled her aside for a few minutes to get
ice cream, and he didn't even kiss her. And pulling
someone aside on a group date to get a few
minutes alone not weird, not even rude. Okay, why would
you want to spend your entire time on the group
(07:12):
date with the other guys? Who have these guys never
seen the show before. They were all just very jealous
that they didn't come up with an idea to pull
her aside themselves.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
They're using the word disrespectful. They kind of kept called
Devin disrespectful at multiple different times during this episode. Now, Devin,
I'm assuming, is not everybody's cup of tea. I don't
think everybody likes him, But I don't know anything he
did that was disrespectful. I don't think I saw anything
that was like out of the ordinary from any other
season or any other person trying to get as much
(07:47):
time as possible. Now, again, I go back to typically,
if you're in a group setting, especially early on, the
guy that is going to do those type of things,
take her aside, pull her away, step into your conversations
is not the guy that's gonna be there at the end.
Because there's usually like he is the one that is
going to sabotage himself at some point with her, He's
(08:07):
going to become too annoying or too brass or too
just in her face, and she's gonna be like, hey,
not for me, man, like take a chill pill, Like
we're going. If you're gonna be my partner, you have
to understand the environment that I'm in and that this
is really hard. And the more time you pull me
away means the less time I got to spend trying
to figure this whole thing out, like be my partner
here and not an annoyance. So I don't know why
(08:31):
the guys get so upset, but they do, and they
take it upon him at the comedy special.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And Aaron, especially who's Noah's brother, has this weird issue
with him. Do you not think that was weird the
way that he felt towards him after this?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, well it represented the Bennett Noah argument. If you
remember back in the day when the two of them
sat down, like especially when Aaron gave him the book.
Bennett gave Noah a book, I think it was on
to something, yeah, something like that, And so now it
definitely was a little corny and cheesy from my perspective,
(09:07):
because you could tell that the show was definitely involved
and repeating that storyline or they're trying to repeat.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
This sarre But Ben, did you remember that on your own?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I think it did, actually, because.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
That's a fine note. Yeah, and it's been like four years, so.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I'm a historian of the show. Actually, Yeah, at this
point we've done this long enough.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Good job picking up on that. That is even cornier now.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
It was almost hard to watch because it was like, you,
this is this is no longer walking in in my
in like reality now. People ask you all the time
it's a show real or not? I always say, yes,
it is. It's very real. It just matters how you
go about it. That moment, to me was a little
too unrealistic, and it made me like kind of curl
(09:57):
up an embarrassment, being like why am I watching this?
Does have a massive issue with Devon. He takes it
upon himself to make sure that he is angry.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
He keeps saying that he's not deep enough, that he's
not like, he's not qualified enough gentleman to be with Jen,
and to be honest, he really doesn't know him enough,
and he does call him by a different name. He
calls him Dylan, and I'm like, dude, multiple times.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
It's not a good look. I don't think anybody's gonna
watch it and be like that's a good look. Now again.
I don't know if Devon's for everybody.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Believe me, Devon isn't for everyone. But Aaron's behavior towards
him was even less for me, was far less for me.
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Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's a weird thing, Ashley. Little side note here, as
we're talking about a show where marriage or a proposal
is inevitable or at least the desired hope from the outcome,
you don't look at a partner and say, you know,
if conflict arises or there's something going on in life
where your partner is upset, you surely hope that they
(12:13):
don't handle that situation like these guys are doing it
right now on the show. You hope that somebody steps
into the room and be like, here's the deal. You're upset.
You don't like him, you know what? That's okay, Like,
I can't convince you to like him. But what we
can do is understand that the more drama and the
more argument that we have in this room right now,
and the more we spend time focusing on this, the
(12:34):
less beneficial this is for Jen and for any of
us in this room, including myself, who don't like who
doesn't like you. So let's put this aside. Let's understand
that I'm not happy with the decisions that you made,
and just know that I'm going to stand by that,
but I don't want it to interfere with this experience
that would be a response. Instead, these dudes right now
(12:55):
are being childish, childish towards each other, and they're representing
themselves as childish, and I think it's very unattractive and
it's it's very weird right now because we don't have
that one person that's necessarily standing out. I think Marcus
stands out. I do, but he's not. And maybe it's
just because he isn't getting into the drama. But there's
(13:16):
nobody just stepping up in the midst of this argument
and being like can we stop? Like what are we doing?
Like how long do we want this to go? For?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, chemistry wise, I still feel her with Sam. I'm
gonna Sean Booth look like Sam, but he but he
is getting into the drama as well.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
He is, He's stepping a toe in the water. I
still just have this feeling that he's going to get
more involved in the drama than we even know right now.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, I think so too, especially next week's episode. Okay,
the nighttime portion of the date, she is clicking with
Grant the basketball player Slash Day investor trader. Mm hmm, okay,
I mean I like him. He's cute, I mean very cute.
I get it, I get the get the deal.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
She she is definitely into the guys from the start
that definitely kind of have the yeah, yeah, like just
kind of you know, know, how to work a room
and have a conversation and be kind of like romantic
and like sensual. Like he just kind of that. She's
into that. With the Sam and Grant, you can tell
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that she likes that kind of look and vibe.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I mean the look. It's good look.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
And then she likes to be asked like those questions.
I think where like we said last week, it's kind
of like pick up artists like questions. But at the
same time, yeah, it feels like it could be either
pick up artist or it can be I'm just trying
to get to know you. But it just feels a
(14:52):
little pickup artist Tony.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah, a little forced maybe is kind of what I
felt like. It felt really forced and it was you know,
but I get it. It's good on this show to
be intentional and to ask those questions as early as possible.
I do think there is a way to go about it.
That Grant just kind of dove in. Good for him,
not no criticism there, but he did just dive in
(15:15):
right away. He was like, Hey, I have two minutes
to talk to you. What's your biggest fear, what's your
biggest mistake? Tell me everything.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Me feel awkward, like, I don't think I would respond
in that way, like I want more of a playful
back and forth conversation. But I also understand that that's
the kind of questioning that she feels like appreciated by
being asked.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I think she does. I mean, it does. It always
is nice to have somebody ask about you. And in
this experience, at least when I was a bachelor, I
don't I remember people being curious about me, but it
was a lot of me being curious about them. You know,
you're kind of the lead here in a lot of ways,
and you're guiding conversations, and you're you're the one that
feels like you're in charge of the conversation. I'm sure
(15:59):
Jen feels that way very very often, and so it
is nice to kind of be set back and be like, no,
tell me about you. Who are you?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, just takes the pressure off for a minute.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
It does of having to be the one that's.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Carrying the conversation anyway. And then Jonathan. She also likes Jonathan,
and like I said, I thought Jonathan is pretty darn cute.
I know, it's quite the surprise after coming in in
a hospital gown and his face wrapped last week. He's
he doesn't scream like final three to me, but top
(16:31):
six ish. He's ranking up there so far.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I mean, I think he has a legit shot at it.
He and Marcus feel very similar to me in terms
of how she feels about them. I do think there's
some longevity.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, they're like the second tier of feelings.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah, but there's longevity in it, right, So they're not
the initial shock and awe, the hot and heavy, Yeah,
but it does feel like it could be two that last.
Because they're right there, we're not getting a lot of
I mean, obviously Marcus had a one on one, but
we're not getting a ton from them yet. Even though
Marcus had a one on one and he shared his
(17:09):
incredible story and what he's done for this country, I
don't feel like we he has the camera time as
others because outside of the one on one, we don't
see a lot from him we see a lot of
the arguments, we don't see a lot from Marcus. I
do think that's a sign that long term he'll be around.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Oh okay, so I was gonna say, you can flip
it and say that Marcus is the guy that she
would love to love, but may it may not be
there romantically.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Well off, d Wayne and see, they're definitely you know,
he'd be in my top four right now if we
did a top four, and we'll start here at the
end of the episode, but let's not even to the
Marcus story right away. Then he does have a one
on one. They have a really cool day where they
get to jump out of a plane. So glad that
did not happen on my season.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Have you ever done that?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Okay no, yeah, not not something that I'm asking to do.
I thought the show had gotten away from it because.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Of the legality protocol.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, but they're obviously, you know, if they go to Australia,
maybe rules don't apply. But they do jump out of
a plane, and then at dinner they do connect at
a deeper level and Marcus does get to share his story.
I think, no matter what, it is a life story
that when you when he shares it with you, there's
(18:30):
a respect, there's an admiration, there's an appreciation. There's also
kind of a an understanding of who this guy is
after he shares it, Like you know, you know a
little bit more of what you're getting. You don't know
the whole picture, but you know he's loyal, he cares,
he serves, and that he's tough as nails.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, he's just like kind of the quintessential guy that
you're like, that's a stand up man that you want
to find and hopefully you have chemistry with them.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
He he just seems like what you just said, like
he's got a lot of heart and soul. He's going
to be a hard egg to crack. He did a
great job though he keeps talking about how he's not
like super vocal when it comes to emotions, but he
(19:21):
really opened up and you can tell that there's going
to be so much more to him even when when
he opens up further. And yeah, once you tell that
story about how you know, he was sent over to
Afghanistan a number of times and on his last trip
over there, he got sent back was in the hospital
(19:42):
for like two months. You know that like once he
opens up about that, he's going to be more comfortable
opening up about pretty much everything else.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, he's one to watch for sure. It's a great
one on one date and then moves us into the
group date. The group date is a photo shoot with
animals from Australia. I think this is awesome.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I love this group date.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
This is great. It's super fun, it's easy. It's also it's.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
A great watch for us, Like, it's just fun for
us to watch. I agree, and Hikeim is just I
want him to be in my top four now because
he is hilarious. He has those crazy eyes and it
makes very expressive eyes. And the dude with the spider,
like I knew that the spider was gonna come, and
the fact that of course he's like, just don't want
(20:24):
to be a spider, just don't wanted to be a spider.
Of course a spider. His reaction to it was just
so freaking funny. And I love him for this because
the spider would have been the one that I dread
the most. Put that big snake around my neck far
before have the spider crawl up my shoulder.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, there are so many animals there. They were like
of course you can have a little like furry thing
on your hands, and then he gets a spider. It
was great television. I like that nobody took it negatively.
That everybody's like, I get a man, that thing's creepy,
Like I feel you. I don't know if I hate
that much, but I know that there are things that
you could put on me, like a big snake around
(21:06):
my neck. That'd be like, no, not my deal, don't
want this to happen.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Oh but Dylan did.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
He stud just actualely rocked it. Great for him. He
really showed off, showed up there in that moment. But
I'm glad nobody took it negatively from Khakim. I'm glad
they all laughed about it. Jen almost looked like she
was judging him a little bit based on his reaction,
But once the snake came out, I think she was like,
I get it now, No, I'm good, Like we're on
the same page here.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You thought that Jen was kind of judging Hikim's reaction, right.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, yeah. It almost looked like she was looking at
him like, come on, dude, step up.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Exactly, And I was thinking, oh my gosh, this girl
must really not have a fear of spiders, because to me,
I would have been one cracking up and being like,
please don't do this for me, kakm, do not do
this for me? Is I don't want no idea?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Well laughed about this later. You don't have to touch it,
It's fine. But then the snake came out and she
had the same reaction, and so then I think there
was a leveled the playing field. She said, I get
it now, we're all good.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
You're either afraid of spiders or afraid of.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Snakes, unless you're that guy that was passing him out.
He seemed afraid of nothing. The group date was great,
it was a good watch, and the cocktail party got
(22:30):
a little discombobulated. It got a little bit funky. Right well,
there was.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
No cocktail party because Dylan went straight to the date.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
It was the What I'm thinking of is when they
all went back.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
To the hotel.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
The hotel was where things got a little bit messy.
It started to fire up a little bit. The one
only time was good, but the house was We were
starting to get a sense of what the next few
weeks of this season probably is going to look like.
And this is where I really somebody could step up
who wasn't involved in the drama and could just say, hey, guys,
(23:04):
can we stop this, Like, what are we doing here?
This is all stupid.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I didn't like it. Okay, So the guys apparently convene
in the car and they say that, like, you know,
I'm assuming they had this conversation. We're gonna ask these guys,
because we didn't have a group nighttime portion, we would
like to make clear that we would like to be
(23:28):
the priority at the cocktail party at the end of
the week. And that is the corniest thing ever that
makes me not like these guys. This is again protocol
on the show that you go and you know, like
sometimes group dates end up one on one day, it's
at the end of it, and then you go to
(23:49):
the cocktail party and you fight for yourself. You don't
have a group meeting about who's gonna have more time
or the first time at the cocktail party the next day.
But anyway, that's what they decide to do. Go upstairs,
present this idea to the other guys that are just
sitting there waiting, and I guess, like some guys not
(24:13):
in the grands, and Devin is like Devin's like, yeah,
I understand, yeah, yeah, yeah, We'll make sure that you
guys have priority. But he goes, but he does say,
but it doesn't mean. First of line, it doesn't mean
that I'm going to like sit out. And then the
(24:35):
next day we get to that cocktail party and it
is drama because he takes her away.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
First two things here, One is these guys come back
thinking they're owed this time.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
That's what I mean. It's gross.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
It's always a weird thing on the show. Honestly, if
they have an issue with how this evening went for
them and that they didn't get time, you got to
take the up with Gin because Jin's the one that
decided to send you all home. She's the one that
stayed back with Dylan. She's the one that said the
rest of you goodbye, good riddance, go home, go you
do your thing. This is not the other guy's problem.
(25:12):
Don't make your problems my problems. We say it very
often here on the show. And it feels like these
guys are going to try to make their problem with
not getting time the other guy's problem, and they're all
going to get together and have this really nice moment
be like yeah, you know what, I'll support you because
why we're not friends yet, Like we don't know each
other really yet. I don't owe you anything here. And
(25:35):
at the same time, if you don't get your own time,
like if you haven't found out how to do that,
you're mad at Devin for pulling him away during a
group date, you could have done the same thing during
this photoshoot.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I know these guys from the first group date to
the second group date, they like want everything to do
like fair and balanced. Here it's like, well, this is
not this is a bachelorette. Well, I don't know what
kind of show you think you're on.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
It's just very weird because here's the truth. These guys
are legitimately upset. They're not actors. Nobody's paying them to
get upset. These guys are somehow finding a way to
get mad at Devon, And like I always say, the
producers could be in their heads being like, aren't you
so upset with Devin? How stupid is it that Devon's
doing this? And these guys are like, yeah, yeah, I'm
gonna go at him. But they're not forcing them to
(26:20):
say a word. You have a choice here to say
something or not say something. These guys are all choosing
to say something to choosing to let this rile them
up and ruin this experience. It could be really great
for them. At this point in time on the show,
they have no reason to need to really stand out.
They just got to make it another week. There's like
twenty dudes there. Let those dudes sabotage themselves. Let them
blow the whole thing up, and then you can come
(26:40):
in at the end and be like, hey, by the way, Jen,
I'm still here.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
They really thought that they were going to walk into
the cocktail party and be like, Okay, your turn, you
turn your turn. You're turned weird awkwards with you so weird.
So Dylan takes her or sorry, Devin takes her and yeah, yea,
was he going to look was were they gonna hate
him for this? Yes, but he did say not necessarily
(27:08):
giving you guys first dibbs. And then he goes up
there talks to her, and then Thomas goes marching upstairs
in one of the most embarrassing moments I've seen so
early on in the show, and he's like you, pulls
him aside and says, we talked about this. You're being disrespectful.
(27:28):
The fact that he didn't think that one pulling him
aside and spending wasting time on talking to Devin was
one gonna look bad, and two just having this confrontation
in front of Jen wasn't going to look bad. Like
what was going through his head that thought this was
(27:50):
the right move.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
There's nothing that could have been going through his head
that thought this was the right move, because it wasn't.
He wasn't thinking clearly.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
He was hyped on the drama, just like drinking it up.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
He got very obsessed with it and then just ran
up to it. And then you know, if you do
this behind the scenes, sometimes Jen doesn't even find out.
Lee never even knows he needed this right in front
of her, Like she's very very much now, Jen's very smart,
she knows she goes. I know exactly who this guy is.
He is he is the disruptor. He is the guy
that's going to tell me at some point that somebody's
not here for the right reasons, and it's because he
(28:23):
doesn't get along with everybody and he doesn't like somebody.
So he's just pretty much telling me he doesn't like
this person. And then I'm gonna have to send him
home at some point. I'm going to two and one
with this guy. Send him home at some point because
that's going to be the ass. But it doesn't look
good for him from this point forward. It looks really.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Oddome, really hard to recover from this.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, it's really hard to recover from this.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
It is okay any non Devin drama to talk about
during the cocktail party.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
There really isn't. It kind of takes up the whole
thing right until the very end, where obviously Devin still
gets a rose here another week now. I don't want
anybody listen to this and think I'm in team Devin exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Like I'm not saying I like the dude.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah, I'm just saying I don't get it yet, Like
I don't know why this guy, out of anybody there
is the one that's upsetting some people so much. I
also want to know more about Aaron. I think Aaron's
story is not even close to being finished. I had
high expectations for Aaron because he has Noah's brother, and
he did come in probably with some insight into the show.
Yet he chooses to come onto the show fired up
(29:27):
from the beginning. I'm hoping that cools down a bit
because I want to like him, I want to root
for him, I want to get to know him. But
right now we're seeing none of that outside of his
arguments with Devin and even the kind of the awkwardness
with jen by kind of reintroducing himself, and she's like,
I just saw you today, Like what do you think
we do here? Like you get five minutes with me
(29:47):
at these first couple of weeks, Like I know you
don't make me feel bad or make me question if
you're upset that you don't know me well enough for that.
I haven't spend enough time with you. I haven't spend
enough time with anybody yet.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
He makes me feel super uncomfortable. Well, watching human makes
me feel weird, well.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
One hundred percent, And the expectation is way too much
right now. Like if you're again, if you're going to
be a partner to Gin, one of the things you
look at as the lead at the beginning is who's
actually been a partner to me? Like, who is letting
me try to take a break, who is keeping it chill,
Who's maybe asking me some questions? So I'm not like
the only one conversing here to myself and just wonder,
you know, like give her some space and show her
(30:23):
that you can be a good partner. And part of
being a partner is understanding where they're at in life.
And right now Gin is in some chaos. She's trying
to figure out what all your names are. For goodness sake,
give her a break on if you like she spent
enough time with you or who she spent more time with.
She doesn't know anybody yet, Like, just let her chill
and then as this continues, we'll see the deeper relationships
(30:43):
for him.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah. Also, I'll give the guys a second of benefit
of the doubt, just because you know how last season
I had I didn't have to. I wanted to and
new parts of the story in which we're missing with
Sydney's storyline, and I had a lot of sympathy for
(31:04):
her because some things aren't, of course shown on TV.
So I'm just thinking watching this episode, was there something
missing that Devin said? Devin did that riled these guys
up so hot?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
We're not seeing any of that yet. Again, as I
said last season to you, actually we only know what
we know and what we see I know, so you know,
we'll play those games of what about this and what
about that? But then that doesn't do anybody any good
because we don't know. We can make assumptions, we can guess,
but we don't know. We know what we see, and
that's who we're here to talk to is the audience
(31:39):
that also is watching this alongside of us.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, okay, the guys that were eliminated, and there was
absolutely no Shockers in that group.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I just don't know anybody's name it this, so we
didn't know the names. Yeah, so like it does even work,
you know? For me, it's like, okay, good give in
two weeks, I'll start knowing these guys' names. I don't
know all these guys names. Yeah, I know like four
of them. That's why the top four is kind of difficult.
But we are going to do. Our top four is Ashley.
I'll start with my top four. I think a Keem
and Marcus are in the top four.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Are queen there?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Heck? Yeah, who else would I put at four?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
He's my top four?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah, And then I'm going to do Grant and Sam.
I do think Sam is probably going to be in
the top four the least amount of time. For me,
I just get this feeling that something's.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Going to background Sam as in sham Booth, Sam Sean
both meets Chase McNary.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Sure, great, and then Hakeem and Marcus.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Okay, okay, so I will change a little bit. I
think top four is definitely Sam, definitely Grant and Dylan
and like that, and then probably Marcus.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah gotta be Marcus.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, but I think that Marcus is.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
The fourth fair that's okay right now?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Oh and then yeah, okay, so Dylan, Marcus, Sam and
who else?
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I say, there's Grant, there's Jonathan, Grant, Grant.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I put Grant in there, and then Jonathan is my
top five. He's my like alternate's.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
He's on the bench right now. Yeah, but another good
episode from Jin. I absolutely love her is a bachelorette.
I think she's fantastic. I think she's a catch. I
hope some of these dudes step up. I think there's
a few that definitely are. But she deserves a really
great guy, and I'm hoping she finds it from this mix.
I'm not confident she will yet. I just I at
(33:44):
our kind of theory last week is maybe playing on
my head more than ever that she might not end
up with anybody, because I don't know if there's a
guy here yet that she likes enough, that she likes
enough well to see.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Sam, she likes enough. But it's physical, yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
And that comes and goes. We all get old at
some point, Ashley, I really am excited for the week
ahead for you. I hope you're not here the next
time we record, but you may be. And I'm only
hoping you're not here because I'm hoping that you're a
mother of two at that point and that you're yeah, wild,
you kind of take a break. I can't believe some
of the last freedom time in your life is being
(34:22):
spent with me on this show. But that's just how
much you love the listeners, and we do love you listeners.
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