25W: Can Bo Nix Take Over the Heisman Race with a Win + Is Brock Purdy Still Underrated + Coach Klieman and Cooper Beebe from Kansas State + Lunchbox on the Kansas Entitlement

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
To a podcast call twenty five whist stuck in punt
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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(00:31):
pissport sports week for us. Uh so we're gonna do
something positive in a minute. Oh cool, love it. We
need it. We're all freaking losers and that's okay. I
was talking to one of the guys, big executives DraftKings
and he was like, I was listening to your biggest
college rivalries. I felt like it was a little SEC skewed.
What are you talking about? Texas Oklahoma is not SEC.
They may be going to the SEC. I said, Army Navy,

(00:54):
not SEC. Correct.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
I did the Battle of the Pines steaming at Foston
Sammuson State not SEC.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Don't I never heard of those schools. So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Are they real?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
They are real? So yeah, it really gets down to it,
Ohio State, Michigan not at all. What are the ones
that I picked though, because those are three the five
unless I just did it, not three?

Speaker 4 (01:16):
And then you did Alabama Auburn excellent rivalry.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah that's sec though, Who cares. I'm just saying the
Draft Kings argument.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
No, I'm gonna give you a Draft Kings argument right here.
They're being haters. But they did give me a hard
time too about missing parlays. And I'm like, look, I say,
here's the thing. I'm trying hard as I can, but
you can follow me on the app and see every
bet I make. And I'm up so the one parlor
and we have a different philosophy this year. We're going
to do this this week. Excuse me, but anyway, okay, but.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
But see that's the thing, Like a lot of people
do these parlays on DraftKings. I've bet some of those
I didn't hit a few times on some of those.
I think there was one. Matthew Berry did one. It
just must be way off.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
It's okay. Yeah, And if you want like the big picture,
you can get with me and follow on the Draftings
app and see everything.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
I bet that's right. Where are they out of? Where's
DraftKings out of your brain? WHOA Boston?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
That's deep? Okay? So then the East Yeah, Boston.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
I we should have done Boston College versus.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh that's what it like, New Hampshire Yale. Yeah. Yeah.
So coming up later Kansas State All American offensive lineman
Cooper BB and coach Chris Clemon. So that was awesome.
So we'll get to that in a second. It was
also coach's birthday while we were there. Yes, it was,
and I wonder if you went to dinner and what
does he on us? Were like, coach god on us,

(02:36):
we'll reimbursia. So you're gonna do friends. Texas lost, that's
Mike D's team. It's a miserable loss. The Patriots they
even have eleven guys Anymore, I don't think it's been
a bad season. A couple of weeks, I mean humiliating, Eddie. Yeah, Cowboys, Cowboys, Uh,
they look like they did know how to play football.

(02:57):
At least you've had. You're having a decent season. Though
we were, we were, I still can't. And for me,
it's been really rough with Arkansas, really rough, where I'm
just sad all the time. So what I want is
something positive from your sports world that you can share,
so we can switch it up. So Eddie, I'll go
to you first.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Okay, okay, So on NBA two K I on our
Eras League, you're the Mavericks. I got the Mavericks. I
somehow ended up with the Mavericks.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I finally played with my team. Dude, nineteen ninety two
thousand and one. Mavericks is amazing. I know Dirk I
want he could. I mean, he could drop threes. You
don't even have to hit a full meter for him.
I'm doing the same thing with Walle.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
He's erbiek who's not even as good as Dirk, and
you don't have to full meter and sometimes he goes
in and I'm like, oh my god, I know, it's
so crazy. I wanted Dirk and Steve Nash. That's awesome
team that you have. Yeah, man, the team's really really good.
You may can win a championship. I've already played four
games and I'm three and one. Oh good. I lost
this morning. Uh oh before work. I played something like
three in the morning. I play the Lakers. They've got

(03:54):
two ninety eight Shaq and Kobe. I lost an overtime,
and so I'm like seven and one or something. But
I'm the Nashville nostalgia were playing Steve Brokele Arena, and
it's just all stuff in the nineties, the two thousands
on our jerseys. I thought it was kind of fun.
That's awesome. Yeah, good for you. Well, let's let's get
a game, all right. Yeah, that's positive. Good for you, Kevin.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
For me, it'd be fantasy football for once.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
I started off rough, have Justin Fields as my quarterback
for a couple of weeks, not very good.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Now he's what number.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Three two weeks in a row. He's been crushing eight
in two weeks.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
I've won them both.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
I got a chain eight Chan however you say it
now he's hurt, but that's okay. I got Saquon coming back,
won a couple in a row. I got a little
momentum going.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Good for you, and I'm happy. Good for you. Yeah, Mike, Well,
I'm not in football right now at all. He just quits.
I feel it. I feel you. But being from Dallas,
I'm also a fan of the Texas Rangers, who are
crushing it right now. They just swept the Baltimore Yeah,
and I'm watching baseball for the first time ever. I
felt bad for Baltimore. They won one hundred and one
games and they're just perennial losers. And I mean that

(04:57):
in a loving way. Yeah forever. Yeah, I mean that
is somebody who was who was a been a Cups
fan of his whole life, and I I just know
losing forever, forever, forever, and so I feel terrible for them.
I wanted to beat the Rangers because I wanted to
see Baltimore win. They won a hundred. I mean, it's just.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
I'm alone someone he didn't die win for Andrew Jones.
There we go, Andrew Jones win it for Dale Murphy
the Orioles.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, Bil Murphy was a brave Oh it is an
Oriole too. I think I don't remember Del Murphy playing
with Orioles ever. You could back finally, be right. All
I remember is Dale Murphy TBS early days. I don't Baltimore.
I don't know that Eddie Murray. I think that's who
I'm thinking of. Murray. They're totally different. Yeah, I know,

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but Eddie Murphy, Jil Murphy is a white, skinny outfielder.
Eddie Murray is kind of a more built, power hitting
black guy. Remember Rockies, Phillies, and Braves, So he's never
on the Orioles. The Orioles, Murray, that's what I was
thinking of. Billy Ripkin.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, that's Cayl's brother with a card that was awesome.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Sick on the bottom of the bat. Do you remember that, Kevin?
About that his baseball card. He's on the bat on
his shoulder and it says if you sick seeking in
the bottom of the bat drawn.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Really it was an error card that was worth a
lot of money, but.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I think it was actually written on the bat and
then they took it off once they realized they'd printed it.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Day.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, it was awesome.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
That'd be cool.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
What's going on for me right now is Arkansas basketball
ranked twelve in the ESPN poll to start the year.
Let's go very excited about that. I wish I were
excited about football, and I still have. If we go
and win every game, I'll still be like that a
pretty good year. But even if we win every game out,
we'd still end up with eight wins, and I really
thought we'd win nine or ten ten on a really

(06:49):
great catching a couple of breaks. But if we can
win out. Okay, but it's kind of sad. I bet
the over under on DraftKings at seven.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Hey for Alabama Arkansas.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
No, for the wins for the year, A couple of
the wins for the year. I did that at seven.
I did Vanderbilt at three.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
What is that right now?

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Three?

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think they have two. I don't know. I don't
look because then I just get sad. I start doing
the math. You don't look before you bet. I do
before I bet, but then I don't look again until after.
And then because of the futures I put on this week,
I've got a future now on the Ravens, the Cowboys,
and the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Ravens, Cowboys, yeah, the Eagles ones that.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's like I would do all the forty nine ers.
I just feel like that's they're probably gonna win. I'm
not gonna make that much money. I would let them
lose a little bit and let that Let those go
out there.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, yeah, Kevin, Vanderbilt has won two games.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, so what's your schedule? Look like I need one more?

Speaker 3 (07:45):
To just push Georgia this week?

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah they won't.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Okay, loose Ole Miss, lose Auburn, lose South Carolina, lose.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
See that's it.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
That's tough. Maybe they could do that last year and
like one out.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
I lost the UNIV hurt.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, let's go, bandy.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I tell you I saw a coach's dad my son's
basketball game, no base baseball game.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, like four times? Did you tell us on the show?
I think, so okay, then you should tell us again,
like I didn't know. Sorry, okay, man, no, what's up?

Speaker 1 (08:17):
So I was at my kid's baseball game and I
was wearing my Vandy football shirt and this man comes
up and he's like, hey, cool shirt, and I'm like,
thank you. I just stood there and he's like, so
you a fan and I was.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Like, well, I'm not not a fan. You know. Me
and me and a buddy we do.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
A sports podcast and and went a video thing.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Then we went to Vanderbilt and did a thing with them.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Oh that's cool, watch a little more baseball. And then goes, well,
my son's the coach there, and I was like, what
you could.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Have led with that. You're Clark Lee's dad. He's like,
that's super cool. I'm Clark Senior. It's super cool.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
It's proud of a son too, because he just wanted
to be like he wanted to find a way to
get to it, because I would totally because I'm like,
I know a guy who met Clarkly's dad. That's how
probably I am to get it all the way over.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
What's funny, though, is I told him, yeah, I work
with Bobby Bones and we do this thing. He's like,
oh my gosh, wait too much access. I saw it.
I saw the video. So you guys are trying to
kick football. It's like idiots. I love it.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Is that what he's said? I mean, not like that verbatim.
All right, let's go over. It's time for the tittle
tattle his name ever, it's the tittle Tattle.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
If Oregon beats Washington this week, do you think bo
Nicks takes over as a Heisman favorite?

Speaker 1 (09:30):
No?

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Oh wow, I couldn't even finish.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Now, I know. I think probably he needs a few
big wins bon Knicks. Even though he's been awesome at Oregon,
bo Knicks still has a little bit of Auburn on him.
And it also sucks for Bonix that he plays at
Oregon because not all Americans to watch his games, so
they can't shake off all the Auburn on him. So
we don't really get to see all the new and

(09:54):
improved bal Nicks uless we stay up late or make
a point to do it. I think if he has
a great game, it probably shifts it a bit. But
will he be the favorite? No, it depends on how
good Caleb Williams plays. That's a big game and gets
Notre Dame. If Kayleb Williams goes out primetime. I get
at USC, it's a left school as well, but USC
is a little more high profile than Oregon. You've left
in the country, mean, yeah, yeah, pol I'm looking at

(10:16):
a map. Probably bothes it, that's true, But Kayleb Williams
also has what bow Knicks had, and that Kayla Williams
has a little bit Oklahoma on him, and he was
awesome at Oklahoma. So I think Kayla Williams wins it.
I think Michael Pennock Junior is the favorite right now,
but barely. I think a Bonex plays awesome and Oregon
keeps winning, he probably moves up a bit. What is

(10:36):
he third? Right now? It's Pennick Junior, Caleb Williams, and
Boone Knicks at three. But I do think if Oregon
wins it, he plays awesome, sure, but I don't think
he's the favorite until they are right about to make
the freaking tournament.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
You think he has to beat Phoenix and Williams you.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Call him Poenix. It just feels like so much does
are you doing that on purpose?

Speaker 3 (11:00):
He is Panix?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
But you know how close phoenixs.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
I just like, I just like that uncomfortable was an accident.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I think he just attached himself to it. Yeah. I
think Caleb Williams wins the Heisman, Okay, unless they lose
three games, two or three games. Everybody wants Caleb Wims win,
as in everybody, all the media. They love it because
he gets clicked, so they'll keep writing stories about him.
It's just gonna fed the monster. Yeah, but Boenix can
win the Heisman. If Oregon wins the whole thing, there
you go suck on that. You know who? I like? Though,
If I were voting and had the only vote that.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Counted Poenix, uh dong, excuse me.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Everything that sounds like Penis, I would do. I would
vote for Bowers at Georgia.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Love that he's awesome, tight ends some.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Love Titan has won. It's it's like the forties or fifties. Yeah,
he's awesome. He's awesome. He's the best football player. Yeah,
he's Caleb Williams and Bowers are both. What about Drake
May or it prod them funny picking words at all? Yeah, okay,
go ahead. Next question, it's.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Non Pac twelve rank matchup.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Are you looking forward to most USC at Notre Dame
or Miami at North Carolina?

Speaker 2 (12:04):
I don't care about Miami in North Carolina. Good, have
a nice day. It's a fun game to see if
Miami bounces back after their humiliating didn't take any loss,
and the North Carolina Drake May is awesome, but I
don't really care that much. What I care to see
is USC a Notre Dame for the same reason everybody
wants say it's two massive programs. It's Notre Dame who
people love it when not It's supposed to be good

(12:25):
and then they're not. I think people love that more
than when Notre Dame is good, and they definitely love
it more than when Notre Dame is just bad and
nobody cares. What people like is to see Notre Dame
get set up and then clock getting knocked down again. Yes,
because they're very entitled and I would feel entitled if
I were a Notre Dame fan. For sure, I wish
I felt entitled if I'm being honest, but I don't.
I'm a loser. But people love when Notre Dame's like,

(12:48):
this is the team, and they love to see people
just kick them right in the balls. And they've already
been kicked there. So they're not gonna win the National
championship this year, but people want to watch that game
because of Caleb Williams, because they want to see Notre
Dame get beat. Now I would like to note him win.
That would be cool, just counter everything I just said.
Because they can't win the National Championship. They've already I've
already achieved what I wanted with Notre Dame. Now I

(13:08):
want to see them eat up other schools.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Do you feel like it's two entitled teams? Could be
because something California absolutely like that is there. I thought
they're known for yeah, and u s.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
They also they fire coaches if they're not big, big,
big winners, they're just kind of winners. You only do
that if you're an entitled team, So we call it
the entitled Bull. Well, you'd need like nine teams playing
at once. There's a lot of entire like Royal rumble,
all nine teams down the field at once, yes, last one,
I mean Oklahoma in there, throw Alabama and yeah, you're entitled.

(13:41):
Want a lot like it's a success thing. You know,
there's not a team that wins a bunch of national
championships that you just go. You know, I'm big fans
of them. They're just great people because eventually you kind
of turned into a douche. I wish I could be
a douche about Kansas. Georgia started turn into douche starting
and I would too if I want to in a row.
Of course, that's the goal, to be.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
A due Kevin, what's the UCLA USC kind of like
what's that vibe? Because I feel like you said, like
USC is what you think about when you think of
Southern cal What about UCLA. They're running in the side
of time.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah, they're kind of like the little brother like the Angels
and the Dodgers kind of thing. But USC is known
for like spoiled kids and rich kids.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
And if you go.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Against programs you mean actual school, I mean both. Yeah,
I guess UCLA basketball is what I associate with winning basketball.
In California. Yeah, and USC football. Yeah, all right, next up.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Going to the NFL after torching the Cowboys and getting
his team to five and oh, do you think brock
Purty is still being disrespected?

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I think a lot of people, myself included, although I
wasn't just a pure hater party. We got to watch
them in prime time and it was the only game
on and so we spent time with them. I think
like twenty million people watch that game. Yeah, we hung
out with them. Yeah. Otherwise, it's the four o'clock game
or three o'clock game. It's four o'clock on Fantasy FOOTBA
because it's they run Eastern. Yeah, three o'clock. It's a
three o'clock game, and you're watching it with two other games,

(15:01):
and the four Ninders are winning, but the game gets
out of hand quick or it's them playing, so you
don't spend a lot of time with it, and you
listen to the people that you trust. Going Brock Party
the system quarterback. But then we watched him play the
Cowboys and he was making every throw with touch or
on the money hard, or he was checking. Yes, he
has a bunch of weapons, but okay, we can't penalize

(15:22):
people for the weapons that they have. That'd be stupid.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, even if the system is perfect, you've got to
make that throw.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
And he was making and I think everybody going everybody
keeps saying brock Party is underrated, is now swinging the
pendulum the other way. So good for him. He's killing it.
He makes eight hundred thousand bucks a year, which in
the NFL is not a lot. It's a rookie deal,
seventh round, last pick, right general generally speaking, yes, but
for NFL player one hundred thousand bucks a year, not

(15:49):
for a star of the best team in the NFL
eight hundred thousand bucks the quarterback. It's a low So,
and he lives in San Francisco, which costs way more. Yeah,
so he has a roommate.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
But he understands that, right, Like I think he understands
it's early in his career and he's still trying to
prove who he is. Even though he's getting closer and
closer to proven that, he's still at the eight hundred
thousand dollars level, Right, He's.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
So close to the big deal. Yeah, but he's eight
hundred thousand Because a team that's when they really have
the ability to win big is when you have somebody
massive in a rookie deal. You don't just go and
throw a bunch of money. He knows he's good. He'll
make a lot bunch of money. Let's get hurt. But
if you can get a quarterback and a rookie deal
year two or three, they're in there pretty But then

(16:35):
you got a pam like Mahomes. That's why he has
no wide receivers because they don't want to. They can't
pay anybody else. And so even like Kelsey, who's a
massive star, great tight end, tight ends just don't get
paid as much as receivers. So that's very beneficial to
the team that they have somebody in a rookie deal,
especially a quarterback. They won the lottery for sure. Yeah
so all right, well.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
More seen some major upsets in the MLB playoffs right now,
and I was wondering, would you rather have your team
not make the playoffs at all, or your top team
all year and they get bounced in the first round.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
I would rather make the playoffs and just be destroyed
later in the playoffs and not make it at all,
because that means, hopefully you've got some health going into
next year. That means you had fun this season. That's
more time you got to spend winning, just generally right,
and it sucks. It's like, would you rather your team
go to the final four and get beat on a
heartbreak and buzzer beater, or I'll make a tournament take

(17:23):
me to the final four. I'll heartbreak all day. I'm
used to heartbreak. I'm freaking callous. All my teams lose.
It sucks. So yes, I would rather make the playoffs
and lose in a really bad way because then I
can come on and to keep doing this crap. I suck.
It's good content. Feel sorry for me? Yes, all right,
thank you. That's tittle Tattle's name, the tittle Tattle. All right,

(17:49):
thank you, Kevin. Twenty five whistles presented by Draft Kings
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part with each of our hands because I just haven't
been successful. I put, I gotten close but close to
matter in a parlay. So I'm gonna do my one,
and then you guys throw your one in here. Let's

(18:10):
build it as a team. I will go first. I'm
going Duke money line versus North Carolina State. Pretty close game,
it's been like two or three points what spread's been.
But I'm gonna go Duke money line versus n C.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
State money lines. Duke's the favorite there.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yes, it looks like by two and a half or
three three and a half and nouns three and a
half A better bet it quick for it goes up again.
Mm hmm, Okay, I'm gonna put the odds into all right,
go ahead, ah, Kevin.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
I'm gonna go with stay in the acc there, North
Carolina money line against Miami at home North Carolina. They
are three and a half point favorites as well.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, we're a bunch of wamps.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Well, I know, but we gotta get back on track here.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
I agree, you know, No, I I again, it was
I think two and a half when I jumped on it,
and now it's three and a half. But that's still
loser I should have I'm not taking this bread. I
just need to win.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
So only one of us has balls here that would
probably be you.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
But just don't be the only one of us. Just
don't be the one to lose it. That's what I'm saying.
You gotta take risks.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
They already risk every time.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I'd be like, Eddie should have cash Yeah, cash out,
cash out, cash out. So you're full of crap about risk. Okay,
go ahead, all let me have this in Duke money line.
Not three and a half, right, Duke money line. Mnus
want seventy five more? Okay, Kevin, yours is North Carolina,
North North Carolina on your hand up. Okay, let go

(19:30):
hellicupter North Carolina versus Miami. North Carolina is a three
and a half point favorite after the Miami first of all, debuckle.
So they're either gonna come and play terrible. That's or
blow the doors off and be like we're so embarrassed,
we're gonna come out for vengeance.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
That's what scares me.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Okay, and Eddie.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Let's get some guts here, guys. Look, Louisville coming up,
coming out, coming off off the great victory killing Notre
Dame at home. They're playing Pitt Pit's not a very
good football team. They got seven points. So it's Louisville
minus seven and a half right now.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
So we're taking the spread on that one. Yes, Louisville's
gonna run over Pittsburgh. Okay, you don't think it's like
a trap game to you, and I do not. Okay,
those three. If you bet ten bucks, you'll make forty
six sixty. That's good. I bet ten. I've bet one
hundred to make four sixty six.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Okay, so I'm in.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
I bet mine. If we say it, I do it.
There you go get in with us, taking mind Eddie.
Good for you for picking the spread.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Hey man, let's make some smiles on that one.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
The Arkansas spread last week was like eleven and a half.
I changed it up to Arkansas seven plus seven, and
then it freaking pushed. So I tried to take less
points because I knew they'd be in it closer, and
then they pushed. Yeah. Well, now, if you want to
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Not always we get to hang out with an All
American or hit him with pads or he helps us

(21:15):
put our pads on, push him around. Yeah, Cooper byby
is awesome. Like what a dude. So here he is.
Cooper was ranked the ninth best player in the state
of Kansas coming out of high school. He was not
a four star kid though. What's funny crazy, Like he
wasn't this massive recruit we were talking to him about.
He's a three star recruit and so big shot put
guy played basketball as well when he's in high school

(21:35):
and he's All American now he could have went to
the draft last year. During the game, we were talking
about that too, like you wanted to stay. I guess
his brother plays on the team too, which we didn't
meet his brother. But and he like taught school. You
guys see the packaging ran on him on the football game.
He's like teaching kids like in high school. He's awesome.
I love this dude. You can follow Cooper on his
journey to the NFL next year on Twitter Cooper underscore BB.

(21:55):
Here he is Cooper BB.

Speaker 6 (21:57):
Cooper, How big a boy are you six street. How
long have you been that big?

Speaker 7 (22:03):
Oh? My wife?

Speaker 6 (22:04):
Yeah, it's gotta be tough for your mom.

Speaker 7 (22:06):
It's six three like that.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
That's dang. So what what.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
Town did you grow up in?

Speaker 8 (22:13):
So?

Speaker 7 (22:13):
I grew up in Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
And in high school were you, you know, big four
star linemen?

Speaker 7 (22:19):
I was actually a two star defensive alignment.

Speaker 6 (22:22):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
And that's the point I wanted to get to, is
that here you are now, preseason all American, but a
two star guy. And so a lot of people watching this,
maybe like you in high school right now, or may
have kids in high school right now that haven't.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
They don't even know their potential yet. Like, what would
you say to them watching this?

Speaker 7 (22:40):
Man, I'll tell you what. Ratings.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Ratings don't mean anything, you know, dude, don't let anybody
ever tell you can't do it. You know, if you
put in the work, you know, day in day out,
you know, big things will happen.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
What's what's your dream?

Speaker 7 (22:51):
I won't play in the NFL, it's my dream?

Speaker 2 (22:54):
What do you want to play? Left?

Speaker 7 (22:55):
Tackle? You play guard?

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (22:58):
You know I have played tackles, definitely, not you know,
with these with these little arms it's not necessarily the
easiest things.

Speaker 6 (23:04):
You just say little arms, I don't see why are
you what's your helmet on?

Speaker 2 (23:08):
We never know we're on the field.

Speaker 6 (23:09):
Man, you want to get a flag out here taking
your helmet.

Speaker 7 (23:13):
Success and celebration if you take it off.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
So you're gonna leave it on the whole interview, right,
So when you come out those doors and this place
is full of people screaming, clapping, I mean that's got
to be awesome.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
Yeah, this is my fifth year here and I still
get goosebumps every time. You know, you sit right there
and the garage opens, the smoke's going off.

Speaker 7 (23:32):
It's just an unreal experience.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
What's coach like?

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Oh, Coach is amazing, dude. He's such a player's coach.
You know, he's a dude. You know you want to
go I'd go have a beer with or hang out with.
He's just he's just such cool and he really builds
the culture around here that makes this play special.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
What do we the common man not know about the
offensive line? Because we see you guys are like great,
good job or bad job or nothing, or you know,
because you don't get the respect you deserve.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
What do we not know, you know, our job is
a lot harder than people think. You know, like you said,
we're always the ones that get criticized, but you know,
nobody in the stands could do what we do, and
you know we're the reason.

Speaker 7 (24:10):
You know, we win.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Whenever you get down on the line and somebody's calling
out there, they're like, what are you guys looking for?
Whenever you line up, Like what you're looking at where
the defensive tackles are lined up? The linebackers?

Speaker 6 (24:22):
What are you all yelling down there?

Speaker 7 (24:23):
So usually we yell at combinations.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
So if I'm next to the center, for instance, and
we're going to combo to this guy, we'll say one
of our combos calls is a king. You go to
this guy, so you know that you're double teaming with
the dude next to you to that person.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
But how would I not know that you were king
and me? If I was lined up against you and
I ard you call King, I'd be like, he's gonna
king me.

Speaker 7 (24:40):
So, no, defensive lineman, aren't that smart?

Speaker 6 (24:42):
Got it?

Speaker 7 (24:43):
I felt that that's the best answer I can give.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Do you watch draft analysis and see where they're tossing
your name around?

Speaker 7 (24:52):
It's hard not to see. I try to tune it out.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
You know, I know that I got to do what
I got to do, and you know it all play
out from there.

Speaker 6 (24:59):
Tell me about this cool How much it means to you?

Speaker 7 (25:01):
Oh, it means everything to me.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
You know, I had the chance to go pro last year,
but you know it's just the people that truly make
this play special. And you know that was the reason
I came back.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
All right, thanks Cooper by be awesome. We'll get to
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(26:18):
We're gonna go over to our interview with coach Climban.
I love this dude. I liked hanging out with them,
but then when I watched them coach and I know
they lost the last game that we watched, it didn't matter.
I was like, I want to play for this guy. Yeah.
It was like fourth and four from their own twenty
nine is like, we got to make a move. They
got one, didn't get another one, but he trusted his
defense to just give up three. He was doing it

(26:39):
was awesome. I was like, I want to play for
this dude, Like if I was an offensive guy, I
don't want to play for this dude.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, but you're too old, can't play for him anymore.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Sometimes a Disney movie comes out about somebody who's older
who goes back and makes a difference.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Just the same man, you keep tricking yourself here.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
They won the Big Twelve last year, and I say
that to him, like I feel like, you guys just
didn't get the respect you deserved because one TCU end
up going to the championship game and that okay, and
maybe if they win the game, they're like, oh, they
didn't win the conference, but they get beat one hundred
and nothing. So people aren't even looking at what happened
in the Big Twelve. They won the Big Twelve last year.
So coach made his name at North Dakota State. He

(27:14):
won four national championships in five years, which is wild.
He was a part of seven total. He led the
waldcast to a Big twelve championship last year for the
first time since twenty twelve. Follow him on Twitter at
coach KLi He's awesome. Here he is and it's his birthday.
It's a birthday. He thinks we don't know then getting
the time machine. It's his birthday when we're doing this interview.
Here is coach Clamb coach. When you take over a

(27:36):
program because you've been here a few years, regardless of
the program, but especially somewhere like Kansas State, there are
many things that the alumni and that the local folks
are proud of. Hand signals, if it's a whoopig or
if it's the cat. How quickly do you have to
learn to do the hand signal exactly right? Like day one?

Speaker 9 (27:54):
Day one?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Are you scared to do it though immediately because you
don't want to like do it slightly wrong?

Speaker 9 (27:58):
Absolutely, yeah, you don't want too. But no, day one,
they expect you to know it all. And you know
from EMA to the hand signal to the Wabash canniball everything.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
You gotta know what's the Wabash canniball.

Speaker 9 (28:10):
It's one of her song.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, it was a song. No, that's the macarena. I
would just be nervous because there are times when I
meet people and I don't get their name exactly right,
and if I have to go on TV or something
and say their name, I'm like, I don't want to. Yeah,
I have to because if I'm wrong, everybody's going to
know I'm a little bit wrong, and there's pressure. I
was looking a lot of pictures of you holding the
hand sign. Is that is that on a plane? Are

(28:34):
they teaching you stuff on the flight over when you
get the job.

Speaker 9 (28:37):
Absolutely, That's why I had Kenny Lenou on the flight.
You know, our media relations guy. You're showing me how
to do everything, and uh but no, I mean it
is such a world wind tour when you first get hired.
And I was in the middle of another season with
another team, and we were trying to win a national championship.
So you'd ask my wife. She still doesn't remember that

(28:57):
sixty days we had of kind of the courtship.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Whenever I get a treadmill or any sort of like
exercise machine, I work on it for I don't know,
a month or so, and then it just turns into
basically a clothes hanger or I just end up doing
close Now I notice, right, by your desk. Yeah, there's
a piece of cardio equipment. How often do you actually
use it or is it more of just a discussion point? Now?

Speaker 9 (29:18):
Did you not know what the car equipment is? No,
it's an elliptical.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Okay, yeah, but I mean how often do you get
on it? Though?

Speaker 9 (29:24):
Actually twice a week.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
You still use it?

Speaker 7 (29:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
I still use it.

Speaker 9 (29:27):
No, I don't hang any clothes on here. I truly
use it twice a week. You can see. We've got
some big screens around here, so my videos up there.
So then I put the video on, watch some of
the games, watch some cutups, watch a lot of the
different plays that we're trying to watch, and I can
gotta get a little extra during the season.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Oh that was like Richard Simmons or something. He's like
he puts his video up there. Yeah, just sweating to
the oldies.

Speaker 9 (29:52):
I would love it if it were that. But no,
this is actually work. The hard thing is I have
my phone with me and then I'm trying to type
in notes. I'm sweaty, and but I get it done.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
If I'm thinking of throughout the week and I'm touring
now doing stand up. But if I think of a
Joe concept. I write it on my phone immediately. Sometimes
I go back to it and sometimes I can remember
what the idea was. Sometimes I can't. As a football coach,
do you do the same with concepts or plays or
schemes where it's like, I have not seen this yet,

(30:22):
let me jot it down, or maybe we should do it,
And then you go back to it and revisit in
your phone and sometimes you don't even know what you
roll down.

Speaker 9 (30:28):
For me, it's more leadership thoughts, motivating thoughts. I'll get
up in the middle of the night because I never
sleep very well during the season, and my wife will look,
what are you doing? And she'll know that I'm typing
something that I just thought of at two am, to
say something we can do maybe after a big win,
how do we responding back? Maybe after a loss, maybe

(30:49):
after a bad practice, whatever it may be. I'm always
my mind never shuts off during the football season, but
there are times I'll go back in and I'll say, gosh,
when did I do that? And Lucky It'll say like
three thirty five. I'm like, boy, I don't even remember
getting up.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Who are some of your leadership role models either that
you've worked for with, or that you just read about
that you never knew.

Speaker 9 (31:10):
You know, I've been fortunate because I've got a guy
named Ben Newman that's one of the world renowned speakers
in the in the country sports performance coach, and he's
put me on like Ed my left and he's put
me on John Gordon and some of those guys that
I just I love reading motivational books. I love reading
leadership books. But then you know, I'm going to read

(31:30):
a book on Kobe Bryant. You know, I'm just how
those guys, what they did to tick you know, Michael Jordan,
all the great ones of how they were motivated and
what kind of drove them.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
I feel like for any success that either me or
my friends peers have had, like we all have a
screw loose, but it's the right screw and it's just
the right amount of loose, and there's you only have
that that little amount to still be somewhat saying. I'm
only somewhat saying because like you, I don't see well,
I can't stop thinking, I can't stop imagining my you know,

(32:03):
my wife and I always you know, time management, something's
always happening. Do you feel like you got to screw
because you're very successful. Do you feel like you have
kind of a screw loose? But it's the right screw.

Speaker 9 (32:13):
Yeah, you have to. I don't know what screw that is.
That's loose. My wife would tell you for sure, but
you absolutely have to to do what we do, to
do what you do. I mean, it's NonStop. You know,
it's seven days a week right now. You know, you
get in the office by five forty five and you're
leaving it nine thirty quarter to ten, and your mind's

(32:36):
still on when you go home, you visit with your
wife a little bit, you go to bed, you wake up,
and it's just repeat rents and repeat rents and repeat.
So you have to have a little bit of a
screw loose. But it's crazy because I never have felt like,
and I've been doing this for over thirty years, that
I've ever had a job. I assume you probably think
the same thing, that you don't really feel.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Like you have a job. I don't until I see
the revenue that I bring in and then I realize
I to be paid more. So, you know, that's kind
of how I'm like, this is so fun. Let me
see the road. Oh, Okay, this is a job I forgot. Yes,
I agree. And my stepdad worked at sawmill, right, and
I got to see him go to work and hate
his job every single day. And I had jobs that
I hated every day in doing what I do in
the morning, or touring or this. And it's also like

(33:16):
when I speak to people, I'm like, if you find
something that you love to do, it's not just that
I having fun, but you'll actually want to be better
at it. And when you want to be better at something,
like you strive, you achieve, and it's it's a cycle.
You love it, you get better at it, you have success,
and it continues. So I've found that for me to
be successful. But I agree, this isn't a real job.

Speaker 7 (33:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (33:37):
And for us in coaching, we utilize each other so much.
Even when you play against somebody, you know them and
you talk to him in the off season. Some guys
you're really close to in season that you talk to
and you spitball ideas and you throw things around. And
everybody knows. Everybody in our profession probably the same as yours.

Speaker 6 (33:57):
You know.

Speaker 9 (33:57):
I've got a bunch of staff members that have been
in the business for thirty plus years and hey, we
played this team this week. Oh yeah, I know the
running back coach, I know the linebacker coach. I'll give
them a call and see if we can get some
some tips or some hand signals or whatever. Or what
was the environment like when we went to that stadium?
How loud was it? How loud do you have to
have the noise of practice to try to replicate those things?

(34:19):
It's just never endying and it's NonStop, but that's what
makes it so much fun.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
What is your wife's favorite month?

Speaker 9 (34:26):
Oh boy, I would say probably July, just because that's
when we get a little bit of a break. Her
birthdays in August, and I haven't celebrated at birthdays. We're
in the middle of fall camp, our entire time together.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
But she knew what she was getting into.

Speaker 9 (34:41):
She married me when I was a graduate assistant making
about eight hundred dollars a month, so she knew exactly
what she was getting into. And I told her, like,
your birthdays in August, that's a bad, bad month.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
And so now she just changed it. It's now in
December officially.

Speaker 9 (34:56):
Yeah, she just says, no, I'm out of town now.
So now she goes out of twent every August and
gets away for her birthday and I sit out of
practice and I'm like, well, she's in good hands, she's.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Doing it's your birthday today, coach. You think we did
birthday birthday coach on so we knew. So what do
you You're up here with these knuckleheads, and I mean
us on your birthday and it's off week. You could
be doing whatever, Like what do you usually do on
your birthday?

Speaker 9 (35:20):
Well, it's I was thinking back of this, and I
may have to have Ryan or Kenny look this up.
This is the first time that I can remember my
birthday week landing on an open week. So usually it's
get the text, talk to my mother, those things, and
just go right back to work. I've got a radio

(35:40):
show tonight that I've got to do from seven to
eight and h then my wife and daughter who's in
town might grab a bite, teat or something. But usually
it's right in the middle of game week, and and
you never know, I hate it when it's on game day,
but this is the middle of a game week or
an open week, so it's a lot better.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
You ever lost really bad on your birthday?

Speaker 9 (36:00):
Absolutely no, No, that's that's then you don't even want
maybe not maybe not on the birthday, but like it
comes on a Sunday and you lost on a Saturday,
and you don't even want to take any of the
calls or text and you don't want to respond back.
But maybe it takes a few days and you do.
But we've been fortunate. We've won more than we've lost,
so that that has made it a lot easier coach.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
One of the games I hate is when you guys
played TCU because there's just all purple on the field
and I'm like, oh gosh, who's going Yes, Kansas courre No,
that was TCU?

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Is it ever?

Speaker 6 (36:32):
Like?

Speaker 1 (36:32):
How well the first question when you go into the game,
who decides like, all right, we're wearing the darks, we're
wearing these helmets, we're wearing that. Because you got to coordinate,
especially with a team like that's got purple.

Speaker 9 (36:42):
Purple, Yeah, home team gets the selection. But last year
in the Big twelve championship game, which was at at
and T Stadium, it was a sea of purple. That's
all people saw. And if it weren't for the fact
that I knew where our bench was and the fans
we had behind our bench. But you looked across there
and you saw the fans like, well, this place is

(37:02):
packed with purple.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
It was.

Speaker 9 (37:04):
It was definitely a sea of purple, but I would
say it was probably fifty to fifty there. Maybe we
had a little bit more even though it was in
Fort Worth.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
All I remember is texting Eddie because I'm colorblinded. Dark colors,
like everything over like a five on the darkness scale
looks the same. And I was like, dude, I don't
know what's what. Now give them the update.

Speaker 9 (37:21):
It was like, I'm what, what's that's the border of
the numbers. I can't really tell the difference. Yeah, there's
some We've played a game a number of years ago
and the team had black jerseys and Navy numbers and
we were trying who's in the game? What number were like,
we couldn't tell. They've now made a rule against that

(37:43):
you can't have contrasting colors on the numbers to the
jersey because you could not tell what numbers were in
the game. And it's that's a nightmare for us as
coaches to see how many running backs are in the game,
how many wide receivers in the game.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
You can't even tell the number and that strategy on
their part. All right, well, sure it is. Yeah, that's
a game. I feel like pilloff numbers, we switch numbers
during the game. I do all kinds of crazy stuff.
I was looking at since you join as head coach
at Kansas State. I was looking at a lot of
the head coaching records just in those few years. There's
just so much progress that's been here at Kansas State

(38:17):
since the moment that you took over, like actually tangible progress,
and I think it's one of the I won't say underappreciated,
but you guys won the freaking Big twelve last year,
and I feel like people didn't really hold you guys
up as high as as and I think TCU them
not having a good showing in the championship game just

(38:39):
took some headlines because everybody's like, but I feel like
you guys did not get the credit you deserved last year,
or didn't get held on the pedestal as high as
you probably should have.

Speaker 9 (38:48):
Probably accurate. I think there's a lot of disrespect for
Kansas State. Doesn't matter if it's football, basketball, baseball, whatever
it may be. But you know that's probably the chip
on our shoulder too, that you've got to earn that
respect every day. And our guys would be the first
ones to tell you that they probably like the underdog

(39:10):
status and they liked that being the hunted perspective, and
so you know, we talk about it, but in the
same respect, come every Saturday, you got to perform anyway.
And we've had some really good things happen. We've had
some tough losses here too, but last year probably validated

(39:31):
a lot of the things that we wanted to get
done when we came here in twenty nineteen. The pandemic
year was a disaster for us, like it was everywhere
else and or a lot of people probably had better
success than we did. But I remember in the pandemic
here we would do our COVID testing on Friday morning
and then the trainers would come up and say, okay,
these five people have COVID. Well, those are two starting guards,

(39:54):
those are two starting linebackers. Oh and by the way,
they're close contact guys, or you're starting defensive end and
you're like, all right, jump on the bus, so soe
who can play, let's go? And that was that was miserable.
So everything that we've done helps tarnish or magnify what
that was so crappy in twenty twenty. But for us
to get that big twelve championship last year kind of

(40:15):
validated everything that we wanted to get done here when
we came here in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
It's just such a big deal. It's Power five Conference.
You win the championship. Yeah, we still have to hear
about and you don't need to comment. That's stupid Texas. Yeah,
exactly who they are. So it's like, who cares about
you don't comment on the coach.

Speaker 9 (40:33):
That's just I just talking about were still play them
this year?

Speaker 2 (40:35):
You said nothing about that. That's just that's doing our
comments here. What do your players know you for?

Speaker 9 (40:41):
Oh boy, well, you get a chance to be with
Cooper b B today, so he'll probably tell you a
little bit hopefully that I'm a player's coach. I value
their opinion. We have a leadership counsul that I want
their opinion on things. I want their voice. I think
that's a big thing right now in college athletics is

(41:01):
you know, you don't want to be a dictator. You
need to have those guys have a voice and take
ownership in the program. And that's why I think we
were successful last year is you know, we gave him
a lot of things and then gave him the keys
and said, you guys got to hold each other accountable
to the standard that you guys expect. You know what
we expect. But when your peer can hold you accountable

(41:23):
to that same standard of what you do on the field,
what you do off the field, how you prepare yourself.
And our guys have that right now, and our locker
room has really good culture right now. And I a
firm believer that when you give the guys that ownership
and let them run the team and let them run
that locker room, it gets better and better.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Coach, I'm a huge Cowboys fan, So let's talk about.

Speaker 9 (41:46):
Duce Vanno and that fun one to talk about now.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
I mean, Deuce was awesome for you guys, and then
when he gets drafted by the Cowboys, super special. Of course,
the whole bad connection. But he's sitting at the third
running back spot.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
He's super fast. Yep, he's not that big of a guy, but.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
What can you say about him as a person? And two,
would you ever call Jerry and be like, hey, you've
got to move him up.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
What you need.

Speaker 9 (42:13):
Well, we would have played him all the time, you know.
And it's funny because Deuce and his mother sat right
where you're sitting when he was a senior in high school,
big infectious smile, and I said, you're going to be
a dynamite running back for Kansas State and you're not
too small to play, uh, and we're going to build

(42:34):
our program around you, and we're going to build our
offense around you. And he was he lit up and
he said, I'm coming to k State and that's what
we did, and that's what he did for us. So
there's a role for him, and I don't know if
it's been defined yet. I don't ever get a chance
to watch NFL football Sundays, our busiest days. I'll get
a highlight somebody will send me, like Julie Sprince had
a who played for US last year, had a strip

(42:55):
and created a turnover last week. I don't get a
chance to watch enough. But if you need me to
call Jerry find you guys get his number a lot
easier than I could. We'll give him a call and
see if we can get him on the field a
little bit more.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
You define yourself as a players coach. Have you always
been a players coach or is that something that you've
transitioned to more of that as you've been you know,
I had just had more head coaching experience.

Speaker 9 (43:18):
Yeah, No, it's it's what I've always tried to be.
I look at it as I was really fortunate to
get a head job at North Dakota State. We won
some games there. I was the d bat coach, I
was the defensive coordinator, and I always had a really
good relationship with the guys and I always wanted to
be a part of the guy's lives, not just on

(43:39):
the field, but more importantly off the field, see how
they're doing, talk about their families. And then when I
got elevated to head coach, I just said I'm not
going to change. And I remember one of our players
that had we had at North Zcota State. I wore
a suit for for a for the first game in
the morning, and it was my first game and I'll

(43:59):
never forget it, and the kid came up to me
and said, you don't have to do this. Go put
your sweats on, or go put your your polo on,
and we're going to be just great. And I looked
at him, and I was like, oh, thank god he
said that, because I felt so uncomfortable, and so I
went back to just warning my polo and my my
khakis or sweats on that day or the next game,

(44:21):
and I just I want to be a part of
those guys' lives. And the only way you can be
is by being around him as much as you can,
by finding out as much you can, by joking with
them as much you can, by just being one of
the guys. And that's what assistants typically are, and us
head coaches oftentimes have to become CEOs and all that
other stuff, which you still have to do, but you

(44:45):
still have to break away and get in in the
locker room and the training room and weight room and
just you know, dig your heels in and get to
know them.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Let's talk schematically, especially defensively in the NFL. You're seeing Miami.
You know, they don't have a lot of big guys.
It's they got a lot of fast guys about They
got a lot of guys that get in an open
space and then run if it's you know, moster, if
it's Tyreek, if it's waddle. But then now the defenses
are having to change too, and we saw the Patriots
have to play like four or five safeties at one

(45:14):
time to try to keep speed up. What changes are
you seeing in the Big twelve or just in college
football in general? Are you seeing all just speed winning
more at times, like in the linebacker and defensive backs
more than it ever has.

Speaker 9 (45:26):
Yeah, without a doubt, you know, you don't run the
old I formation quarterback under center very often at all.
The other thing that's that is taking over college football
that's going to take over the NFL pretty soon as
no huddle, not giving a team a chance to substitute,
so that we're going to put our fastest guys out there,

(45:47):
and you better be able to match those guys. And
sometimes in the past people just match those guys on
third down. Now you've got to match them on first down.
You got to match them on second down. And it's
a it's a skill level of find trying to find
safeties that are fast enough or linebackers that are fast enough.
But you also have these tight ends that are six
foot seven, two hundred and seventy pounds that can run

(46:08):
four or five that you can't put a corner on
because they're just gonna wall them out and box them out.
And you know, I look at the Travis Kelce from
the Chiefs. Who can cover him? Well, you know, you
can put a linebacker on him, but he's faster. You
can put a safety or a corner, but he's bigger.
And that's what everybody's trying to recruit is is the
hybrid defensive players that are fast enough to be able

(46:29):
to stuff the run, but athletic enough to be able
to cover great tight ends and wide outs.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Is it in a pendulum though? Where you get so
many hybrids on defense, they're having to stuff all of
these offensive playmakers that all of a sudden you're rotating coverage.
You got fast guys. Well, now all of a sudden,
everybody's trying to stop the wide open pass game. So
you got somebody who's like, let's just run it right
back down their throats and then it slowed. Has it
just a non stop pendleum?

Speaker 1 (46:51):
It is?

Speaker 9 (46:51):
It is a NonStop pendulum. The one thing that will
never change is you better have a quarterback. That's the
thing that will never change, whether or not that quarterback
is a dual threat guy like a Lamar Jackson that
can beat you with his arm beat you with his
legs or a guy that you know, like Tom Brady was,
that's just gonna you know, precision, just carve you up.

(47:12):
You still have to have that quarterback. And and uh,
that's the first thing that that we're looking for in
recruiting is every class can we find that quarterback? As
well as when we're when we're scouting teams and stuff,
is how's the quarter Because you can, like you said,
you can put everybody in charge of the past, but
if that kid's just going to run the ball on
you as a quarterback, you're in trouble. And so, yeah,

(47:33):
it's a it's a pendulum.

Speaker 7 (47:34):
That's that.

Speaker 9 (47:34):
It's offensively as well as defensively. It's ever changing.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
How hard would it be to install the wishbone in
one week and just surprise the crap out of a team.

Speaker 9 (47:43):
It would be really, really hard. I believe it would be.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
But the student body laughed. I mean, I thought, I
think this whole thing.

Speaker 9 (47:55):
You know what though, but that's not what anybody wants
to see. Then then you know, if if the Cowboys
did that, if you said, let's let's Cowways do it,
then the NFL is going to be mad because then
they're not throwing the ball enough.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
In one game, like a big one game. Like we're
running wishbone, we're running triple option. Well that's the thing
that helmet you go all in coach.

Speaker 9 (48:14):
Well, when we were at North Kota State, we had
to play Georgia Southern and they were all triple option.
And then my first year here, we're so excited we
get to go to a bowl game and we get
announced and we get to play Navy, and I'm like, oh,
this is gonna be a lot of fun, you know,
of having to defend triple option and your defensive line
getting cut on every play, and like, hey, we're playing Navy.

(48:36):
And the guy's like, hey, great, yeah, so you gotta
be unbelievably disciplined and know you're going to get cut
all the time. So it's yeah, it's really hard to
defend in and probably equally as hard.

Speaker 7 (48:47):
You know.

Speaker 9 (48:48):
The one rule that changed in college athletics a couple
of college football a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Is the cut block.

Speaker 9 (48:53):
You can't cut people down on the perimeter anymore like
you used to five years ago, three years ago. And
that's where some of those wishbone teams are probably having
a harder time.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Even though wide receivers used to cut people hard, which
they can't do anymore. But they wouldn't even even wide
out run just a tendon tear exactly. You hit it
wrong fairly one time. Yeah, those couple ocks. That's kind
of how Aaron Rodgers ended up tearing his achilles too.

Speaker 9 (49:21):
Yeah, And that's the thing that's so hard right now
with you know, college athletics or college football has changed.
We've gotten better on the targeting, right, I mean, we've
used to get targeting and then the kid would have
the walk of shame because they'd throw him out and
you'd have to walk them off, send a support staff member.
Now they at least can stay on the sideline. But

(49:42):
you know, we've taken some of that. But now we're
having more lower body injuries because I can't go high
on you across the middle, so I go low on you.
And you see some ugly injuries because of it. And
you know, there's that happy medium of hiding between the
knees and the chest and there's not going to be
any penalty. But you know everybody talks about that. That's

(50:03):
a split second decision whether or not that guy's coming
at me. And if it's a kid that's sixty five,
two hundred and fifty pounds, do you really want to
go high on that guy?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
No, the ANSWER's no. Case you're wondering, I know, I
wouldn't think you will. Our final five questions, I'm going
to start with this one. The rule of a wide
open fast offense. You know how to stop them act hurt?
Just grab your hamstring and get a cramp. Something's got
to change as far as if you get hurt, you
grab something, you cramp like that's a the rest of

(50:32):
the series. You're out, what would you suggest to the
rules committee?

Speaker 9 (50:35):
It's gotten better already, it's gotten a ton better, but
probably just the rest of the series. You know, if
a guy comes out, if it's it's usually when it's
one hundred and four degrees and you're out there for
that tenth play that you could potentially have it happened.
But then they probably should just be the series. You
don't know if it's one more player or a more plays.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
I mean, you know when they're lying. You know when
they're lying.

Speaker 6 (50:56):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (50:57):
Absolutely, so yeah, I think everybody everybody does. It's bad
when there's two guys down on the same play.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
They forget who told you? I coach?

Speaker 1 (51:07):
I remember watching Friday Night Lights or something, and and
there was the part where they're, oh, it's he's somebody
gets hurt and he and the coaches like, get in
the room, shoot it up. You're coming back out.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
It's like almost like no choice.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
When someone does get hurt, do you say, like, are
you hurt? Like?

Speaker 2 (51:25):
What do you tell me? You're injured?

Speaker 1 (51:27):
And this is when we work out. That's what he
tells me. Are you that kind of like are you hurt,
you're injured? Or are you just like you decide in
your own seat. No, it's a different world. Now I
just go to the trainers and they say, he's out.
We're checking on him, we're getting something, we're retaping him,
we're going in for an X ray. We'll come back,
let you know. And now I just let them tell
me is he going to be back or not? Yep,

(51:49):
he'll be back, coach, you got three more plays and
get him ready, and or nope, sorry, coach, he's out.

Speaker 9 (51:55):
Oh come on, he's not. No, you just listen with
the trainers tell you and move on. So that's become
which it should be. We should be out of the
conversation on that, whether or not the kids healthy or.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Not to play, Do you still take their helmet so
they can't you in the game.

Speaker 7 (52:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:10):
You ever had anyone hurt grab their helmet and go
back in the game and sneak on?

Speaker 9 (52:13):
No, I would no, I mean they, I mean they'd
have to grab somebody else's holding form.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
I go in different numbers, different changing your number, I
become number seventy seven, Like, who is this, Robbie Jones,
guy Man Good? I don't know.

Speaker 9 (52:29):
But if I saw you in seventy seven play an
old line, I'd feel pretty good about our change.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
And you should coach, and you should what's the what's
the ceiling here?

Speaker 9 (52:36):
Oh boy?

Speaker 6 (52:37):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (52:37):
Compete for championships? Uh? And we feel like if we
continue to recruit the way we have been and continue
to get the right guys and continue to have guys
buy in and develop, compete for championships. Nobody knows. I mean,
the landscape of college football keeps changing with conference realignment
and people joining, and now beginning next year, there's gonna

(52:59):
be twelve teams in the playoff, and so if you
get into that tournament, because I used to be a
part of tournament play in the FCS. If you get
in that tournament, anything can happen.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
That's so exciting to me. And the argument often was, well,
you want to keep the value of each game in
college football, but we also love the NFL and there's
value to each game. But also the playoffs are freaking awesome.

Speaker 9 (53:22):
Yeah, and there has to be more value to every game.
But if a team slips up or slips up twice,
they ought to still have an opportunity. And that's unfortunate
right now because if a blue blood loses a game,
they're wanting to jump off that team and that team's done.
It takes a while for teams to peak, especially right
now because of the transfer portal, teams, players changing teams,

(53:46):
people having new rosters every year essentially or new players
that sometimes it takes you half a season and the
best teams at the end of the season and what
you're trying to get.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Coach, very stressful job you have. How do you get
your mind off football? You have a boat, you got
jet skis, I.

Speaker 9 (54:02):
Go play golf, which we should have went and played golf.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
We should we should have. Yeah, now you tell us
that because all you had to do is have mentioned
maybe and we come last week, and since.

Speaker 9 (54:14):
It's an open week, we probably could have figured it
out if it weren't an open week.

Speaker 7 (54:18):
So no, that's what I do.

Speaker 9 (54:19):
I try to go play golf, get my mind off it,
and got a couple of great golf courses around here
that we go out and play. If not, sit in
the back, cook out, jump in the pool, just try
to try to get away from it as best you can.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Do you ever, throw your clubs on the team playing
and try to get there a day early and we's
around in.

Speaker 9 (54:37):
No, I don't think that would probably work. They'll probably wonder, oh, sure,
you're a player's coach. Now you're just going out? Can
we go to a lot of players they want to
go with me?

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Last question, you talk about the importance of having a
quarterback in every class at least attend PEP to do that.
So let's say that you sign a four or five
star quarterback last year, and now you're trying to recruit me.
I'm another four or five star guy. But I mean,
there's there's this guy one year ahead of me. How
in the world do you get me to come here
when you got a guy in front of me, a.

Speaker 9 (55:06):
Lot of those four and five stars think they're going
to beat everybody out. So that's one positive thing is
now I can beat that guy out. The second thing
is they they know, they see how the evolution of
football is. Somebody may leave also, you know, people get hurt.
You know, every year that I've been here, other than
our first, our quarterback has missed a little bit of time.

(55:29):
So there's always that opportunity. And you know, if you're
still selling the fact that we had in North Kota State,
we had Brock Jensen, who was the all time winning
his quarterback and FCS at one time, and we brought
Carson Wentzon. Carson sat for a couple of years and
then Carson won a couple championships and then we had
Easton Stick come in and Easton Stick ended up being

(55:50):
the all time winning his quarterback in FCS football and
behind him was Trey Lance we brought in. So we
brought in the next guy every time that they knew
that their opportunity would come, and when they had that
opportunity with the type of offense we run, and same
thing here with the type of offense that that we run.
When I get my shot and I make the most
of it. It's going to give me that opportunity to play.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
At the next level.

Speaker 9 (56:12):
Coach, thanks for the time, absolutely, thanks for coming to Manhattan.

Speaker 7 (56:15):
Kansas.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
This this feels like where I come from. I think
that's why I root for Kansas State and like my
parallel universe of Kansas State to come from. I'm from Arkansas.
It's all we had. It's all we had was University
of Arkansas. And like we hated Texas I mentioned earlier,
I still hae Texas. We heard that, and it's like
now I hate Kansas too, and be honest with your coach,

(56:37):
and so it makes me love you even more. Those
to come back for a game. Yeah, I hear you.
We eat crap out of Kansas basketball last year. But
like their fans are just like nasty. You know, you
don't have to say anything. I'll say it. You were
just talking to you talking over here. But it's like,
my love, I enjoy what you're doing with the program,
and then I understand how the fans this program feel.

(56:58):
But then it's the parallels of I just can't take
Kansas man. That's it. Coach.

Speaker 9 (57:03):
Okay, well, we appreciate you guys, all right, there we
go and come back for the game.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Man, you will get you a spot all rank you coach,
Happy birthday to us, all right, yeah, your dinner in
boys Ys the Chilies.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah yeah, gets to pay for but invoices. That may
take a little while for our our department to get county,
but something will happen surely. Okay, thank you.

Speaker 9 (57:22):
Don't want to just leave me a credit card.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Now we're we're good. Cowboys minus two with the Chargers, Eddie.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Yeah, I mean they're gonna cover. They're gonna win that game.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Of course. Kevin Chargers, what just piss you off? Yep,
because he hates it that you enjoy his team losing.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
I'm gonna give you the speech I gave my kids.
It's the NFL. You have no idea what you're talking about.
We always why not speak to yourself?

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Mean, if you're gonna tell somebody else they have no
idea what they're talking about, you should say to yourself.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Well, no, it's just my kids always basing on their
last week performance. It's like, look that's that's the way.
Look they look like terror. They looked terrible last week.
This week they're gonna come back and look like, oh
my gosh, they're great again. And then we're gonna be like, well,
where are the Cowboys? I don't know who they are?
Are they the cowboys that played the forty nine Ers?
Are the cowys that played the Chargers? Who knows they're
gonna kill the Chargers. They're gonna be back to.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Where they were. But you just said nobody knows anything,
including yourself. Well that's true, But what I'm saying is
just go the opposite of what you think. Yeah, I
think the Cowboys cover Seahawks. Bang all that Bengals minus three?
Is Joe Burrow healthy?

Speaker 6 (58:27):
Not?

Speaker 2 (58:28):
My sources say, no, who's your source? I can't tell you.
You have a source for Yeah, yeah, it's not your wife.
I can't tell you. But my source says he's not
fully healthy yet, even though they took him off the
practice the injury report. But I still take I'm taking
Seattle mostly because I bought him in that league. I
need them to win. I can't speak anything bad in
their existence. Ravens minus three at the Titans. They both

(58:49):
went to London at different times, which is interesting. The
Ravens went for a whole week, and I think the
Titans just land and get off the plane and go play.
All right, we're here, guys, get your pads, let's go.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
We got.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
No Yeah, they'll wait until the last minute. Ravens minus
three and a half in London, Go Eddie, I'm gonna
go Titans. Ravens been looking weird lately. Oh well they're
dropping balls like crazy.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Yeah, not finishing games, doing weird stuff.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Crazy Ravens.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
I'm gonna go Titans. Guy owned them, I'm biased. Oh
you own them? Yeah? I have six teams in my league.
I thought you really owned the team. Commanders of Falcons
Falcons minus two and a.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Half Falcons b Jehan's awesome.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Let's go Commanders.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
I go Commanders to Commander's kind of salty and I
think two. We're gonna start seeing teams eat themselves on purpose,
but not on purpose like Minnesota. There's no way Justin
Jefferson comes back. If they're trying to get that number
one pick and they're trie Kirk Cousins, Like, if they're
gonna commit, commit because Kirk Cousins, it doesn't most of
his money this last year, he's got like ten million,

(59:53):
so you pay him, but most of that money on
his contract is already bonus money he's got, so he's
been paid. So what's it's a rental. It's pretty cheap rental.
If you get Kirk Cousins, I would trade him. I
would not bring Justin Jefferson back. I'd lose every freaking game.
Get on, like Kayleb Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Patriots got that doory.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Well, they don't have to change anything. They just keep
going as is. They don't have to make brown been
thrown with the right arm. Sorry magef that thing with
the right arm? Who knows? Geez, Niners and Browns nine
ers four and a half minor four and a half niner.
The easy pick is San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
They had a big win and they're saying that Deshaun
may not even play.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
So did you play last week?

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Yeah, so here we go. Let's go Niners again.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
That's why those games. I would stay away from. This
one really, Oh because yeah, you never know, guys, No,
not because what you told your kid, I mean, you
never know, you never know. It seems so these games
it seem like they're just guaranteed slam dunks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Usually they aren't. Yeah, well I thought about that too.
Like last week when the Cowboys played the Niners. Everyone
picked the Niners, you know, like all the pregame commentators whatever, Niners,
nine Ers, nine ers. And then Maria Taylor goes, well,
I gotta go to the Cowboys because every time we
picked one team, they always end up being the one
that loses. That's not the case, Like that wasn't the
case on Sunday. That's not Niners are gonna win this
one for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
But will they cover?

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yes, they'll kill I think they beat them by fourteen?

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Is anymore? Is that your guarantee? Yes, you're you're gonna
put on your broken promise? Yes, it is all right,
commit Eddie to the broken promises. Jar He's got the
Niners minus four and a half. That is my pick, Kevin,
who's your promise?

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
That's what I was gonna go with.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Really, yeah, what let's double up on it?

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Uh uh okay? Not the pauseitive. The only thing is
it's up to seven now, I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Think, yeah, seven, so we have it's now up to seven?

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Fifty I printed my sheet out of a four and
a half. Yeah, so that's what I was like, I
don't Eddie. I did just say seven though, right, Yeah, okay,
I said seven? Okay, cool, So let's seven. I'm gonna
go with them at seven. Okay, Well then I'm gonna
just come trow my sheet away and move on because
I printed this off like two hours ago, so outdated. Yeah,
and that's yours, Kevin. Yeah, Read, you have a promise
this week. Yeah, I'm gonna go Commanders after what y'all

(01:02:01):
just said, because I was gonna go forty nine ers,
but now I'm gonna go command Bro. Triple up. Yeah,
let's go triple up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Nevin, you feel good about Patriots?

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Read? Why are you asking quest?

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Have you watched them?

Speaker 7 (01:02:15):
Wait? Who do you have?

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Washington reads?

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Walk in? Pull timid Washington. Sometimes if it's cold, you
don't want to get your thing wet because it's like
wait and slow. Just jump in, you'll be timid.

Speaker 7 (01:02:25):
Yeah, I'll go Commanders plus two and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
I like that bet though. And finally mine is already
bet mine, so let me pull it up and then
we'll get lunchbox.

Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Mine is, Duke, what's it at?

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
I bet it at?

Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
Duke?

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
What is your papers? Minus? Well, Duke minus two is
what I bet it at. But I want to grab
it if it's better. I want to take that now
you put you looking at it. So I'm gonna go
Duke over North Carolina State. I took the two and
a half when half on my thing here, that's good.
I'm gonna take the best off, all right. So I
have a Duke minus two and a half. All right,

(01:03:03):
very good? So yours? How much as much moneys in
the pot?

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
We still have only our money. They haven't paid anything.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yeah, but us. You know what, every show that you
don't pay for now on be five dollars interests. Okay,
I got it, So you have it on the next show.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
But I'll go to the gas station right now. You
leave during the show, I'll be back. All right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
We're gonna bring Nchoks in. Talking about Kansas for a second.
He's warning his Kansas hoodie, Kansas one of these we
were talking about the entitled Bowl. Yeah, definitely entitled Kansas
basketball for sure. It's not a shot towards you. I
want to be entitled. I want to be Alabama. I
want to be USC I want to be teams that
want to fire their coach if they don't have a
Final four season. I want to be teams that seem

(01:03:46):
like jerks because they win all the time and it
gets annoying. But we're not Kansas? Is that team? Do
they really feel like Jerks? I mean yeah, when we
meet you guys, it's it's CUAA tournament. I was last year.
The Kansas crew is none nice? Isn't their mean?

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
Well?

Speaker 8 (01:04:02):
Yeah, I mean we were sad and depressed. But I mean,
I don't know if we're entitled.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
I feel like you're entitled to win basketball games. You
feel like Kansas plays they should win. You feel like
Kansas should win the Big Twelve?

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Yeah, like you if you show up and you do
what you normally do, you should win or something wrong.

Speaker 8 (01:04:18):
I mean, I would say that we have the best
coach in the Big Twelve, and it's impressive what he's done.
Even when we have teams that aren't very good, he
finds a way to win the Big Twelve, which is incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
So do you expect to win the Big Twelve?

Speaker 7 (01:04:30):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Every year?

Speaker 8 (01:04:32):
Yes, There's some years that I'm like there's no way,
there's they're not good enough, and then they do it
and I'm like, holy crap.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
And do you feel like people should just respect you
regardless because you're Kansas?

Speaker 7 (01:04:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Your title? Yeah, but it's okay. I want to be
in title as a sports program. That's why I hate
Texas because they win. It sucks Texas wins what generally
at sports? They are usually number one in the old
all sports is together them.

Speaker 8 (01:04:54):
Camford diving and swimming. No one cares.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Regardless Texas baseball championships. Yeah, they have good basketball teams.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
They're just always relevant, always and even if.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
They're not, they still are because they're people are angry
at them for not being relevant. So Texas hate Texas
because of that. Always pay to Texas, Tennessee. That's been Alabama, Georgia.
I hate everybody the wins. So Kansas is one of
those schools that we hate. Why did your coach get
off scott free?

Speaker 8 (01:05:22):
Because the NCAA realized they have no power. They have
no power. They started paying players anyway, and they realized
this is so stupid. We wasted so much money and
resources on this crap and we don't really want to
waste our time with it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Will you catch eddy up on what happened? Thank you?
So they'll have a confused look at my face. Yeah yeah, yeah,
that's my fault. Stet it up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
I did see the headline where like there's no charges
or whatever, like the penalty is not that bad.

Speaker 8 (01:05:47):
Sure, they got five to one level one violations that
were supposed to like ban us from the postseason. Bill
self was going to be in deep trouble. They were
going to put on probation imustration for illegal benefits.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Team cut them off, Yeah, all of them.

Speaker 8 (01:06:01):
Yeah, because allegedly they were funneling payments through Adidas. We
were paying players and what we what Kansas said was
we had no idea this was going on. This was
a rogue Adidas employee that was paying the players. We
didn't have anything to do with it. So it was
a five year back and forth of like, oh, let
me see your text messages and what do we find

(01:06:24):
out that Kansas didn't know anything.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
So they did get paid. They did what do we think.
We know that the NCAA just doesn't have the power
and now players just got lucky. Kansas got lucky with
the timing of getting in trouble.

Speaker 8 (01:06:38):
Right, And same with Oklahoma State. The Oklahoma State was
the only one that was that they really got They
got banned on this postseason.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
That was the only one.

Speaker 8 (01:06:45):
And here's the thing, and that was also Adidas. Yes,
it was the same guy, same little And listen, do
you think deep down that Kansas was paying the players? Yes, absolutely,
but goes titled everybody pays the players, we suck. Oh man,
everybody he pays players do plays players. North Carolina? I
mean North Carolina made up fake classes. There was not

(01:07:06):
even real classes, and we're just putting them on their
report cards like that and they got no trouble. Yeah,
that's crazy. I mean it's like they did it for years.
It's like, oh, but now we have to take down
the Final four banner.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Really, Oh that's one of the penal No, and that
would never even bother me, Like, okayak trophy. Now I
still got to experience that. You can't. You can't do
men in black to me. If you could, that would
suck and I would be like, you can have it back.
I want to keep it. But if you can't go
men in black, I still enjoy it. I don't have
banner my house anyway.

Speaker 8 (01:07:35):
Yeah, well, the kids, they vacated some wins, so now
they're nothing winning his basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Program in history. Oh that's in the books.

Speaker 8 (01:07:43):
Yeah, they didn't go to the Final four, and eighteen
eighteen there was only three teams in the Final four now,
and Bill self only has four Final four appearances instead
of five.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Yeah, I mean that's tough, but I would just say five.
What are they going to do? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:07:55):
What can they say?

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
He did go to five? Yeah, but in like thirty
years when you look back, you're like, well that's not
there says four except for the asterisk, and you're like,
only are the asterisk? Oh, he's all I guess he
was five.

Speaker 7 (01:08:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:08:05):
So it sucks, but whatever, as long as we and
then they said are reaching the postseason the NCAA tournament.
We had an n Cuba record, but that is now
snapped because we didn't make.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
It in twenty eighteen. Wow wow finger printes.

Speaker 7 (01:08:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Yeah, but you got lucky that players are being paid
now because because of that, they're going, eh, who cares? Now,
it's for the same reason reggieus should be given his
heisman back. Give it to him.

Speaker 8 (01:08:30):
It's so stupid they took it away in the first place.
All these people, I mean, Zion Williamson got paid by
Duke Oh yeah, and we act like, oh no, because
coach k We're gonna but who cares. Everybody was playing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Everybody there was a dude that I went to high
school with.

Speaker 8 (01:08:42):
He played golf at the University of Texas and he
comes out one day and guess what, brand news had
a golf club sitting in the back of his car.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Who's that not gonna say? You guys, listen to Lunchbox
and Raymundo Sore Losers show be up today. It's probably
already up by the time you're hearing this Lunchbox. Thanks man.
Thanks all right, that's it, Mike, We good, all right,
I gotta go. I gotta go to a meeting. Thanks
to Coach. Thanks to Cooper BB for coming on All
American and got the strength of all American. Oh man,

(01:09:09):
big dude with little arms, he says, he's a moll,
just a little there's nothing little. And I looked everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Oh you saw, there's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Nothing little about that guy. He's a monster in every way.
Thank you, guys. Please follow us at twenty five Whistles.
Check out the newest episode of Too Much Access with
Kansas State, and we'll have another one coming out on Monday,
which I don't know which one's gonna be yet even decided.
We're waiting on a wins. We're waiting on uh we're

(01:09:37):
just waiting.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Hey, I think I'm gonna go back to Western Kentucky
for a game next month.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
I thought you want Cincinnati for I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Both Sam Houston State's playing Western Kentucky, So I think
I want to make the drive and go check out
that game.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
That's really cool. Excited about that. Oh, I got up
date that I can't wait to give you, guys. I
told Daddie on the phone, but I can't. Yeah, it's
a good one. Just until it's a good one, I mean,
could you could? I had a Darkansas and plan next year.
That's definitely not all right. I gotta go at twenty
five wizzles. Thank you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Bye whistle.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Oh where do holdo?

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