25W: Celtics and Lakers on the Brink of Being Swept + Cardinals Hall of Famer Jim Edmonds Talks Rivalries, Playing Days and Life After Baseball + Michael Block's Historic Weekend + The Smiles are Back

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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(00:45):
Jim's also in the Cardinals Hall of Fame. We talked
about what do we do to get out of a
slump if rivalries are for real? With players too, his
love for country music and a whole bunch more so.
Jim Edmond's coming up. You can follow Jim on Instagram
at Jim Edmonds fifteen. But a lot of fun. Let's
start and just get it over with. I don't find
joy in this, Kevin, But what the heck's happening?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
With the Celtics. What I can't believe they lost. I
can't believe they lost. But yesterday, I can't believe the
lost that game and it was not even close, not
even that. I can't believe they blew it. I was
surprised it wasn't more of a game.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Later.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah, that's maybe it's a heat of the moment thing
right now, But that's the lowest as far as embarrassing
moment I've had as a Celtics fan in quite some time.
Just not even showing up when your back's a goingst
a wall and just got smoked.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
What are you blaming on the coaching?

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Everything?

Speaker 2 (01:39):
That's the easy out is the coaching.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
And I get that because he didn't have them ready
to go and they should have been ready to go professional.
And that's why I come back to that where I'm like, well,
you have one of the top five players in the
NBA and Jason Tatum, like, that's on him to get
them to get going. Al Horford, he's a veteran, he's
been around a long time, been through a lot. That's
on him to get them going. So you can blame
the coach as much as you want when it comes
to getting them ready x's and o's and all that

(02:02):
and sposure we all know is way better code, which
is fine, but at least show you care. I mean,
don't get blown out from the get go and loose
balls and bad passes, and it just seemed like they
wanted to go home. They're ready to go to Cancun,
as they.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Say, do they win game four?

Speaker 4 (02:17):
No, I have zero confidence.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Now. Oh man, Miami's kind of come out of nowhere
again playing team. We can't forget that. Yeah, they had
to play in and barely got in. I think the
Chicago game was close, right, I mean it feels like
ten years ago. But wasn't that Bulls game close? Yeah?
Uh so he rolled past Celtics won twenty eight, one

(02:40):
to oh two. They're up three to zero in the
Eastern Conference Finals. That is not good. I don't There's
never been anyone to come back. This goes for both series.
There's never been anybody come back from three ever. There's
been three one oh well, one to three, there's been
in baseball. Your team did it the Red Sox.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
I know. And the funny thing is in Game three
against the Yankees that that season, they were down. I
think they lost like eighteen and nine in Game three,
and you were like, oh man, this is ugly. So
that's the only thing keeping me a little bit alive here.
I'm like, we've seen this before.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
I also don't feel bad for any sort of Boston
sports fan. You're like, oh, it's the lowest in the
Eastern Conference Finals. We didn't show up for Game three.
Try being a Razorback fan or a Cubs fan your
whole life.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
I did see going into this series. Fourteen years in
a row, a Boston major force sports team has made
it into the final four of their sport, whatever it
may be, which is pretty good.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
You know, for you guys, though, it has been kind
of rough with the Bruins going down early early after
they had the greatest season ever. I don't think about hockey,
but even I know that was quite the collapse. Celtics
down O three. Listen, they still can no one's ever
done it before, but I guess they're still in it.
That's tough. Patriots, the whole Coordinator debacle. Yeah, it's been

(03:50):
pretty rough, but I say pretty rough as then you
had the greatest regular seas of all time, and then
also you're in the Eastern Conference Finals, so that's rough.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah, it's the way that they're going about it, though.
I mean, it was embarrassing to watch that team on
the court last night.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
I felt bad. I don't even like to message people
when they lose because I don't like to be messaged.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
I didn't hear anything from anybody that's respect then, yeah,
which I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
That is respect. Nuggets and Lakers, and we'll get to
the title title on the second, but the Nuggets on Lakers,
same situation. I just expected the Lakers to win this
last game. If any back in La, I expected to
win Game three. Thought they may get lucky and win
one or two. They didn't. Okay, go back home and
win game three. Nope. It's ugly. It's like I don't

(04:39):
say men and boys, but it's like a team that
is highly skilled and have gone to practice versus a
team that's just really athletic and shows up Unlet's just
see what happens, and that's not what it is. That's
what it looks like to me, like a team that's
really well coached. The players know exactly the scheme they're running.
That if one of the two teams can do it, though,

(05:01):
I think the Lakers can do it over the Celtics. Yeah,
but I only think that because they have Lebron James.
That's it.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
And they've shown somewhat of a fight.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well, and they've done little Lebron's done three to one
before come back from that.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah, I guess the greatest team of all time.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
And I don't think that's going to happen. But I'm
very disappointed in the Lakers.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Isn't that why the Lakers and the Celtics down O
three in the final.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
It hates that.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Oh I can't stand it.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
They the fact that Miami think about the Lakers and
Celtics if they were to play again, all the fun,
bird magic, mckam, I need all of that throughout the
year's history, Kareem and they getting either team and they
get Lebron of now brutal, but man, Denver looks so good.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, they look awesome.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Denver has shooters, obviously, they have Jokic. It's like they
have a piece for every part of the puzzle that
you need to have whenever you just are putting together.
I watched the redeem team. I'll talk about a second,
but they put that team together for a reason, like
players did certain things. They didn't just go out and

(06:06):
grab a bunch of players who are the best players.
They got people who did certain things. And it's almost
like that's what the Nuggets did because whenever you start
to look at Aaron Gordon, he ain't gonna score a
lot of points, but man, he's gonna be in the
right place at the right time. He's gonna play defense.
He's They didn't ask him to score a lot of points,

(06:27):
but he Aaron Gordon goes the whole game, dude, I know,
like he's jack U KCP call well Pope. He shoots
elite and when they close it on Jokic, okay, just
toss it on out. So between him, Michael Porter, Junior

(06:51):
Denver is so much better than I guess. I won't
say that we give them credit for, but nobody just
cared because they've never won. They're in a small market.
They don't have any crazy marketable star, or at least
one that's been marketed to us. Your kids look like
somebody's uncle. Jamal Murray. Is he elite? Is he's been

(07:11):
playing like it when they play their two man game.
I don't know how he stopped it, because as soon
as they bring in a third guy aggressively to try
to stop if it's a pick and roll up top
or they got two shooters. It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah, they look really They're very surprising to me.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Austin Reeves awesome though, I know the fact that they're
not giving him the ball more and saying, hey, go
do your thing.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
I think Russell's been pretty bad lately, Daniel Angela Russell. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Austin Reeve is gonna make He's gonna do pretty well. Yeah,
he's gonna do pretty well well. I hate that for
you guys. Thanks man.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
If anything, I have a new appreciation for the Nuggets
and Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yeah. Yeah, well, I guess we'll get into it. But
I can't hate Jimmy Butler. I've tried.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
There's no way to hate Jimmy Butler. He's not done anything.
It just be that dude, that's it. Yeah, that game
two whenever your boy was talking trash to Butler.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Grant Williams.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, when that was happening, were you like, don't don't,
don't wake the Giant.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
No, I really didn't hate it, And I even texted
this to my dad and my brother during the time
they hated it. They were like, shut up, Grant, blah
blah blah. And I was thinking the same thing as
some other people were thinking. Were at least, he's so
showing something because you showed a little fight, and I
know you wake the bear quote unquote, but guess what,
we have a bear too in Jason Tatum. I don't
know the bear, So Jason, you gotta wake up too.
I was just glad to see somebody had some fight,

(08:40):
some type of anger, some type of emotion, because the
rest of the team has no emotion.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
It's it's bad undrafted players on the Heat roster. The
Heat currently have four key contributors that went undrafted. That's
and the reason I had even thought to care about
this was Caleb Martin. Yeah, who was just contributed did
all playoffs a lot of these guys. You're like, it's
Jimmy and the rest, But I mean, these guys are

(09:09):
all playing pretty consistent. But Kayla Martin from Nevada has
just been there and whatever they've needed from him, he's
given them nothing spectacular but ten points here, six seven
rebounds there. Jimmy Butler thirtieth pick from Marquette bam Adebayo
thirteenth pick from Kentucky. This is Miami. Duncan Robinson undrafted

(09:30):
from Michigan. Boy, he made a bunch of money for
undrafted Duncan Robbins made him, didn't He just get paid
big time?

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Him or Hero?

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Maybe both? Look up Duncan Robbinson much money. I know
Hero got paid.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Yeah, I know Hero got paid after that bubble. I
want to say earlier year after.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Gabe Vincent undrafted from that House Berkeley.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
No, University of California, Santa.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Barbara, Santa Barbara got it. God dang, we don't even
know the initials and they're undrafted. That's a trouble. Max
strust And drafted from Nepaul Kayla Martin I drafted from Nevada.
Caul Lowry twenty fourth pick from Memphis. Kevin Love fifth
pick from UCLA. Kevin Love's old. He actually isn't, but
he's just been around for so long.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Lowry's older. Well draft year. Lowry was two years before that.
I did not even realize telling her of fourteenth we
t what do you make Mike?

Speaker 2 (10:21):
I still got nothing. I got an internet over here?
You have no internet? No, that's it? Red, Do you
have anything over there, I can check everybody. Well, I
can check everybody. Everybody failed me. Kevin and I are
trying to do a good sports show over here. Now,
if your nets down, Mike, I blame Reid because he
had a cell phone.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Duncan, Oh, mine's.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Are we down? Duncan Robinson salary. I don't know if
you guys know this. In my my internet's then it
just said you want to use cellular data? Well, yes
I do. Let's see it. Are you been getting that?
Even myself? Dad is a world ending yes? Oh, here
we go. H let's see Doucan robins side five year,

(11:04):
ninety million dollar contract with the Heat, including eighty million
guaranteed an average salary of almost twenty million dollars. Oh yeah,
I feel like he be paid undrafted. I mean that's
what reads about to happen. Eastern marketsall too didn't play
in versus Arkansas wasn't good enough apparently to which shall stay?

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Oh Austin Reas Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, I think you
said read for a second.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Reads, I'll read him.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Hey reach tall though, Yeah that is maybe Boston's roster
Jayalen Brown third pick out of cow poor for third
pick out of Florida, Mark Smart sixth pick out Oklahoma State,
Tatum third pick out of Duke, and they got a
lot of high Those four dudes were picked higher than
anybody on the Miami team.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Crazy.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Well, good luck to Yeah, I don't care. I mean,
I would like to see Boston win because it's your team,
but I don't really have any sort of personal interest there. Thanks,
but I hope you win. Thank you, But that'd be tough.
Very all right, Let's go to the till Tattle name
ever the ttle Tuttle.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
There's a lot of talk over the weekend with how
difficult the course was PJ Championship Oak Hill. What's the
toughest course you've ever played?

Speaker 2 (12:18):
You see the ball going to the rough? Yeah, I
mean it almost literally disappear down that there was a
ball that was plugged in the sand. Was a Scheffler, Nope,
it was the guy that finished behind uh Hobland, didn't
Hobblin hit one of the sand of it completely?

Speaker 4 (12:36):
It was gone right?

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yes, now not the same, that's just I think bad luck.
Where the rough was so bad, are so long purposefully
that the ball would get lost there with a lot
of lost balls or a lot of balls hard to find.
Hardest course ever played was probably the Blessings Course, which
is in Arkansas and Fayetteville, for two reasons. One, they
had kind of said before it went up there, head,
it's a really hard course, but it's really nice. I

(12:58):
think it's the University of Arkansas course like home course. Secondly,
I'd hurt my shoulder playing basketball in the University of
parksas basket ball arena because they gave a towist my
bachelor party the whole thing. We played for hours, right, yeah,
it's fine, turned it all on. It's crazy. We never
really got to talk about it. Probably not supposed to now,
but who cares. They gave me the whole thing. They

(13:19):
turned on all this thing, picture music, had the locker
room all fill of food. It was an amazing thing.
One of the most special days for my bachelor party.
That being said, I hurt my shoulder and then I
went out in the first few all the Canda Swing
golf Club. So the course seemed hard and I just
couldn't move, But everybody else was like, that was a
really hard course. I wish I could have experienced it.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
I wish I had more than one reason for you
that's right, all right. Next question after Michael Block's memorable
hole in one on day four, you have a most
memorable shot.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
That shot by the way, because he didn't see it
go in and I was watching it and neither did
I because it went straight dunk, it went right in
the hole, meaning and if it had just to the
left or right of the whole thing, but it flew
on by, but it went straight in the hole. Crazy.
I've never even seen a hole of one, never had one,
never seen one. Really cool to see him because that

(14:09):
shot actually is what got him into next year's because
he finished top fifteen, and had he not hit the
whole of one, he'd have been two shots on the
wrong way of it. So, for me, most memorable shot
not even on a yeah, I like in a actual round.
When I went to Pebble Beach last year, we did
the Par three Celebrity Part three Championship and everybody was there,

(14:30):
like forty people, and I was in the round with
Aaron Rodgers, and I remember who else was in my group,
but I just not beat Aaron Rodgers. But I'm up
on the pedestal and it's, you know, one twenty or
so away, everybody's sitting at the par three nervous as
crap could feel it. I was feeling so nervous that
I did a whole bit where I changed balls. I

(14:53):
only did that so I could calm down because I
had a white ball, and I was like, I got
up to the ball and I was just like, oh,
I don't even know. I got people everywhere. Ain't that good?

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Anyway?

Speaker 2 (15:02):
I was like, so I reached my pocket, I pulled
out a pink ball. I was like, I'm changing balls,
and I put it down switchballs. I just did that
to kind of regroup. Yeah, and then I stuck at
like ten feet from the pin and I won my
round and I got to the finals. I think I
finished maybe third overall out of forty because I hit
My next round shot was pretty good too, but nothing
like that first one. Jim Nance is calling it. You

(15:23):
hear him, He's like, not.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Why.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I kind of blacked out right when I swung and
it landed. I was like, oh my god. I wasn't
happy that I did well. I was happy I didn't
humiliate myself and hit somebody or miss completely.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
That would be so nerve wracking for me people around me.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
It was really nerve wracking.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Yeah, no way.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
And I don't get nervous for performing as much, nearly
as much as I used to. I mean I used
to be nervous, specially when started doing standout, where I
started doing music. It's kind of hard to be nervous now,
even live TV. I wouldn't even call it nervous. It's
just kind of like an excited energy more than it's nervous,
because I'm not I've done it enough to know that
the worst thing that can happen, I'm still gonna be okay.

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So once you've done it in repetition that many times,
it doesn't matter what it is, and you're comfortable because
you know, as bad as it gets, you're still gonna
be all right. And that's it's it is worst. You're fine,
You're loose. I wasn't loose there, Hey, I wasn't lose
like of a shot though. It's on my Instagram if
you guys want to scroll back and see it. But boy,
it was a tough one. Boy, it was a tough one,

(16:28):
all right. Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
There's a lot of hype around Victor Wimbanyama. Hopefully I'm
saying that right, Going to the Spurs in the upcoming draft.
Who's the most hype athlete you remember of any sport?

Speaker 2 (16:37):
It's easy to probably say Lebron. And I'm a little
older than you, so you probably don't remember Lebron being
on Sports Illustrated. Oh I do, Yeah, I do.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Oh yeah, I was what twelve, thirteen, eleven, So yeah, no,
I do. I remember. The hype was huge for him.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, it was the first high school games. I think
that we're on ESPN when they would show just those Irish,
the Green Irish. But to me, that's not who I'm picking.
Im picking Bryce Harper because I remember him being a
high school kid and then being on Sports Illustrated and
how he went to the wood Bat League instead of
I just remember all he lived in Las Vegas. It

(17:09):
was Bryce Harper, Bryce Harper, Bryce Harper, and he's one
of those rare athletes that did what they were supposed
to do, maybe more. I mean, think about the ype
of Lebron and what he's been able to do. He
met and achieved more than the hype would have led
you to believe, and nobody ever reaches their hype level.
So I'm gonna go Bryce Harper, and he did it,

(17:31):
and Lebron and he did it. But look at Tiger
Woods too. Ticker's won every amateur championship for years college
and he did it.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
See I don't remember the Tiger hype.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, it was a different kind of hype. It was
like this kid just wins everything.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
It wasn't like wait till you see what this kid does.
He was already doing it at that level, just dominating everybody,
even in college. So then he went pro and he
just kept on. So it wasn't so much hype as
it is look at how great he is right now
and he's probably just gonna keep going. Different kind of hype.
It was more like an excitement for this how good
he was going to get instead of we have crazy

(18:09):
projections of this guy.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Which is crazy too because you never hear that with
a golfer, right, I mean, is there any other golfer
that you remember when there were young college coming up?
Do you really hear about even the speech or the.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's just not a sport that is consumed by enough
people that enough people are going to care that it's
going to develop into something everybody's whispering about talking about
when Binianna's type stuff where they're like, he's the greatest
possible player in any sport. He's a great of all time,
and he maybe seven to five. I saw him next

(18:40):
to Rudy Gobert. Do you see him standing next Rudy Gobert.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah, he made him look normal.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, like not sure, but made Rudy Gobert, who's over
seven foot tall, just look pedestrian. It was crazy. So
I'm gonna go with Bryce Harper. But I like Bryce
all right.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Next last one here, we talked about Jimmy Butler and
how much he's loved. Who's the most liked or loved
athlete you can remember?

Speaker 2 (19:01):
We talk about Tiger. The weird thing about Tiger is
of all the shady stuff he's been up to and done,
and the bad ways he's treated people, not even people
that he's been having sex with. So love him. I
love him, I root for him. So I think Tiger
because when you look at all the crap he's done
to himself to others, and the fact that he's so

(19:22):
universally loved bulletproof. So I'm gonna go Tiger Woods. Michael Jordan,
even kids didn't get to see him play. Love him
because the brand. But yeah, I'm gonna go Tiger Jordan.
I was not a Michael Jordan guy because I didn't
like the Bulls because they won all the time. It
annoyed me, So I was not I was the rare

(19:44):
non Jordan guy. Who who do you think it is?

Speaker 4 (19:47):
I would probably go with Tiger off the top of
my head. I think Steph's another big one.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yes, very loveable. Yeah, I like st.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Everyone likes Steph. I've even last year when they beat
the Celtics in the finals, I was like, it's just
Steph Curry, Like, Okay, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah, he's hard to dislike it.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Like it's just like Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
That's the tittle tattle.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Thank you name ever.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
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I love baseball. I love Jim Edmonds, even though I
hated him, it was respect. I hated the Cardinals. Being
a Cubs fan, you hate the Cardinals, but I just
always wish we had Jim Edmonds. He is so good.

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He'd track down any boy. I just he's making those
over the shoulder catches running straight back center for William
May style catches. So this is us with former MLB
All Star and Cardinals Hall of Famer Jim Edmonds, which
we talk about I hate for the Cardinals growing up
as a Cubs fan, how much I rooted against him
because he was so good. It was a root against,
but it was a respect. He wants to move to Nashville.

(22:08):
We talk about that country music. You can follow Jim
on Instagram at Jim Edmunds fifteen. Man, it's cool for
me here he is Jim Edmonds. Jim, what's up man?

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (22:18):
How are you hey? Good?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Let me tell you I used to hate you, man.
I used to hate your guts because I was a
massive I grew up a Cubs fan. I'm gonna tell
you watching you track down balls constant, Oh, it would
kill me. I knew no ball was safe. It didn't matter.
You couldn't you couldn't gap you, you couldn't do anything
that was also respect. So it is an honor to
talk to you, Jim, because he drove me crazy as

(22:41):
a kid. But man, did you ever think I just
think there wasn't a ball you couldn't catch? Did you
feel like that out there?

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah? Sometimes I really did. I thought that that was
like kind of my goal or kind of my.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Job, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Your job is to do whatever you're doing the best
to your ability, and I just thought that was my
I took pride in it, just like anything else.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
You know, when you were coming up were you I think,
what do you have eight gold gloves? If I tell
me if I'm wrong? Okay? When you were coming up
through you know, miners, even playing as a teenager, were
you that guy as well that could track down balls
in the outfield or were you such an athlete you
just played wherever they put you.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
I think a little bit of both. I know I
grew up playing soccer, grew up playing football, a little
bit of basketball and baseball, but we practiced a lot.
And I always thought that because I practiced so much
on an open field, that I used to run around
the outfield and chase balls from the other guys that
would hit, And so I think that that helped a lot.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Was there a when you got to the majors? Was
there initially some sort of adjustment to speed or were
you just naturally there already, as you know, a young
twenty year old.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
I think the minor leagues, you know, help each level.
And when I got drafted, I was only seventeen, so
that first year rookie ball and then a ball, and
then a ball again, and then double A and then
triple A. It's I don't know, it's kind of like,
you know, like I mean, do you think you're ready
for doing what you were doing when you were working
in Arkansas?

Speaker 1 (24:13):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (24:14):
But I still don't think I'm ready to do what
I'm doing nowhere you could see you just with our
eyeballs crushing it. I completely understand your point, Like I'm mature.
I had a friend, Greg Swndell, who talked about coming
up and you know, very brief in the majors. His
first start, he goes out and he just destroys people
and he's pitching. He's like, this is this is easy.
Second game he got lit up hard and he was like, oh,

(24:34):
this is not easy. And I was completely wrong. Yeah,
but that his adjustment was was wrong. At first he thought, Wow,
this is crazy, this is so easy. But then it
turns out it was a lot harder than he thought.
I just wonder what that adjustments like when you get
up to pro ball.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Well, wow, when I first pro ball is huge because
coming from high school, you know, you're basically facing basic
pictures back in those days. It's a little different now,
but you know, a guy would throw a fastball and
a curve ball, and that was basically it. And when
I got to pro ball, I was I hadn't quite
turned eighteen yet, I was late for my senior year,

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and then I was facing guys out of junior college,
out of college and sliders velocity. I think got struck
out man probably seventy five percent of my first fifty
at bats.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
It was tough, it really was.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
It was like and that was just in the minor
that was just the lowest level of the minor league.
So I think after you know, like I said, year
by year and day by day, you just kind of
pick it up, and I guess you either do or
you don't.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
You know, when I think back to some of your plays,
just going from memory here, I think when I think
about the most is not even a Cubs game, it's
a NLCS against the Astros. And when you would make
plays in the outfield that were I mean really the
ones where you would just take off running like Willie
May style with your back to the bat, like that's
what I visualize you doing over and over again. But
some of those plays, did you ever wonder do I

(25:54):
actually have the ball or not? Because they were just
like so extended.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Well, I'll tell you what it is. Don't let it
fall out.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
I mean, I think if you were to catch up
on maybe the play in Kansas City, you can see
my first reaction was to reach in my glove with
my bare hand because I thought, man, if I run
all this way and the ball pops out of my glove.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
I am gonna be pissed. So that was kind of
that was kind of the thing.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
You know, you watch you still watch highlights day and
guys will dive and the ball will bounce out or
jump up and knock.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
The ball out the wall. So that was my biggest fear.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
So unless I hit the pocket perfect, I definitely try
to throw my other hand in there.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Did you ever do the thing where you were winning
by ten runs or losing by ten runs and you
would go on to pitch a little bit as like
the okay, we don't want to waste anyone that's in
the ballpen. Did you ever do that at all?

Speaker 3 (26:42):
I did it once in the minor leagues. I was
a pitcher growing up my whole life, and it's all
I ever wanted to do was to pitch one game
in the big leagues. And I never did I think that.
When I got to Saint Louis, LaRussa knew that I
would probably throw my arm out trying too hard, so he, uh,
he wouldn't let me do it. But he wasn't too

(27:04):
keen on that as much as they are nowadays. He
was a little bit more like, we're gonna, you know,
we're gonna gut this out what we got and if
it's really bad, then we'll just use somebody literally like
a reserve infielder that just knows that they won't go
out and hurt themselves. But no, I was always my uh,
it was always my biggest dream.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
What was coach LaRussa like day to day? I just
you know, from being with Oakland and Canseko maguire and
all those guys to then being with the Cardinals. His
every day demeanor from afar seems very stoic. What was
he like every single day?

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Same? Same it was? It was uh. I told him
one time when he finally retired, I said, you know,
you have a pretty good personality. Too bad baseball ruined
it for you. But but he was.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
He was like, hey, how you doing And he said,
I'll let you know after the game. You know, every
day it was just his whole life was about winning
that day, that game, learning being better. It was incredible.
It made me such a better person and player and human.
And you know, he was like a father, even at

(28:13):
twenty nine, thirty thirty one years old. He was just
such a teacher, still in a motivator. I thought it
was it was pretty awesome to be around. I you know,
I'm not surprised, but you know your sports and there's
very few guys like that. You know, you can think
of the top coaches out there in the world, right
you think you're Belichick's and guys like that, maybe you're

(28:34):
Andy Reeves now in the NFL. And you think about
there as a couple of guys in college and there's
not too many guys like that in baseball anymore. And
they're just they get the best out of you think,
because they have learned from a lot of different people,
and they really they're really focusing on all the details.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
And I think that's why some.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Of those coaches are always, you know, the same coaches
are always successful year.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
In a year out.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
When I think about coaches that I've seen from far obviously,
but it's like Tommy Lesorda in LA, it's Tony Laruss,
you know, with the bash Brothers in Oakland obviously those teams,
and then with Saint Louis it's even Dusty Baker. Now
what are those guys to you? What do they have
in common that creates this longevity and also this respect,

(29:19):
the seeming respect and you know, within the team all
the time.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
I think that one thing as a leader, I think
you can't do is ever waiver.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
And I think.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
The things that those guys do is you know that
they don't waiver. They always have your back no matter what.
That comes first. You know, the players come first, the
game comes second. It's like a family, and so you
respect that. And then they give you feedback that you
need and they treat you like a man, you know,

(29:52):
and they expect the best out of you. But they
also know that there's going to be days you're not
your best.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Would you go and say, hey, I'm not feeling good?
Can I take the day off? One hundred and sixty two?
Anythings in a year? Yeah, is a lot, Like how
does that conversation go with one of those guys?

Speaker 3 (30:07):
You know, It's funny, it's it usually goes the other
way around. They'll say, like, you look, you know, he
don't look like you're up the standards.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Last couple of days and give a day off, and
you're like, you know, you.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Take pride in playing every days. You know, I would
think like for you, same thing. You know, you have
big weekends and you've got to wake up on Monday morning,
and I'm sure there's days you're just like, oh my gosh,
I just got to do this. And then you get
there and it's just like, you know, here's the show,
here we go. But yeah, there's no really back in
those days, if you ask for a day off, you
might not get another day to play. So I remember

(30:38):
wanted to come out of the lineup. You know, there
was a guy named Wally Pip. I'm sure you're very
familiar with.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
How lu Gary got so famous, I mean, got hurt
and all of a sudden, well let's replace some with
this young guy for a little bit, lou Gary who
then turns in one of the greatest of all time
Hall of Famer. That story is so legendary, the Wally
Pip story. But was Wally really that good though, Jim,
that's the question I ask. But couldn't they put him
somewhere else? He was so good?

Speaker 3 (31:03):
And that's true actually right nowadays they would be like, okay,
well we'll put you in right field and red field.
But clearly he wasn't as good as the rest of
the guys. And I think it makes for a great
story though, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
I think about it.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, And that story is held up forever because the
freaking iron Horse, like he's the dude they made movies
about him. They Yeah, so Wally pipped to me, he's
like the Beatle Pete Best, you know, the original drummer.
It's oh, you're like, man, what could have been? Who
knows what Pete Best would have done if he had
just you know, if he would have been kicked out
of the Beatles before they got famous.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Well, there's a lot of that, right, I mean, there's
in your business, in every business, and how many how
many band members do you think stepped aside before somebody
got big or couldn't do it anymore because they weren't
making enough money to survive and had a family. Maybe
before these guys were you know, single and having fun.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
I mean, gosh, you can.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Probably there's probably millions of stories like that.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
My manager was a rummer for a and heat. My
manager's fifty now, but he was a drummer for a
pretty famous band. And he got out about three months
before they hit and signed the record deal because again,
he just wanted to be They were broke, they were poor,
and he was like, I can't do it. We have
a kid coming. So he got he got out and
then like three months later they hit big. And it's

(32:19):
crazy to think that he was like, I just I
can't but I imagine that happens with ballplayers too. Some
right where you're playing in the miners, you're not making
much money, and you're like, I just can't do this
anymore and you jump when I don't know, maybe you
had the potential. Does that happen ball at all?

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yeah, you know, it's funny you say that. See, I
was probably nineteen and our second round pick was our
shortstop starting in a ball high a ball right away,
and halfway through the season, he just quit, this isn't
for me. I'm going to go home and hang out
with my girlfriend basically, and we're like, what, like, you're
a number two pick and then you know, like and

(32:57):
the second round pick, our shortstop that.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Was huge, obviously potential, and he just said, I'm done.
I'm out. He didn't play a full year. Crazy?

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Did they not do what they do now where they
basically dive into all the you know, mental health reports,
the love of the game, the passion fact because it
seems like you would know that about a player that
if they didn't absolutely love it, you wouldn't draft him.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
At this point, Yeah, I think you can't measure heart obviously, right,
and then homesick I don't know. There's a lot of
people out there and never been away from home. Yeah,
I was. I was kind of shocked because I don't
think he was out of high school. I think he
was out of like a JC or something. But really
good players just maybe just didn't have it in him.
Maybe it had enough, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
So you moved on.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Did I see that you're moving to Nashville on your Twitter?

Speaker 1 (33:45):
I'm man, I'm trying. I'm we have been looking for
a year. Uh, you know, the prices have gone crazy.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
But we were just there this weekend and we found
a really nice piece of property. But you know, I've
been struggling with find a place on a golf course
or find We've been looking for twenty thirty forty fifty acres.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
So a lot of friends there. I love it there.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
We're we're there a lot, and so yeah, we're we're
definitely gonna move there. I got a son who's a sophomore.
He's got his last week of school, and as soon
as he's out of the house, we might be headed
that way.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
If not before.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
What's your handakeeutt, what's your handicaff? Yeah, I feel like
you professional athletes, for example, one of my best friends
is Andy Roddick, the tennis player, and he had never
played golf, and all of a sudden he starts playing
golf and he goes to like a four in eight
months because hand eye coordination is so freaking good. I
just want to I want to kill him. So that's
not the case with me. So what about a guy
like you that would hit a ball and can run
fast for a living? How how good are you a

(34:41):
golf You know.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I stopped playing about three or four years ago. But
I'm one of those guys that just once I picked
something up, I just go and go and go until I.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Get pretty good. And I got down to like an
eight or nine. Maybe you're not playing at all anymore.
I don't play at all now.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
I used to have a house in Palm Springs on
the golf course, and they still have a house up
in Idaho. Right when I retired, and then when we
moved back to Saint Louis to you know, the kids
all get in school and and do all that, I.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Just kind of gave it up. It's hard to play,
you know.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
It's funny is in Missouri here especially it's always raining
or it's hot or it's cold, there's like no kind
of like, you know, we don't have convertible weather here.
I think the weather's a little better in Nashville than
it is here. And it just kind of hated going
out and one day hitting off matts and the next
day it's car path only, and I'm just like, I
guess I got spoiled and the golf courses I belonged

(35:34):
to in the past in California, and so I just
kind of wasn't that important, especially because then also with
the kids, I'm just kind of like trying to play
dad the best I can now that I'm retired.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
What do you do for fun? Then you're not dad?
But if you're not playing golf, what are you playing
pickleball at all?

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Like that? Nah? Yeah, I too many injuries.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
I've seen too many people already go down and pick
the ball. And I've been playing it. I was planning
about actually about eight or nine years ago when it
first started going through our country club. And for fun, really,
I don't know nothing. I mean, just chill, work out,
listen to music, go to concerts, you know, I mean,

(36:17):
hang out with my wife like chill. I mean, like
I think my fund's over baseball was fun for me.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Man, that does seem like to be the most fun,
like to be like, young, athletic, good looking playing center
field for the freaking Cardinals. Other than the Cardinals part,
it sounds like an amazing life.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
I didn't realize you were such a Cubs fan.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, I'm a whole life. It was a curse until
it wasn't anymore. Though.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
It's funny.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
I think that I listened to you a lot, and
I think I know a lot about listening to what
you guys do and stuff, and I don't think I've
heard a lot about the Cubs as much as you know,
hear a lot about Arkansas and all that other stuff
that you do. But yeah, I was surprised. But that
makes sense, right in.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
A rough few years, you know, so it's a lot
of talk about Also, you know, baseball for us doesn't
really do at least in talk. People don't really like
to hear a lot of baseball talk unless it's about superstars.
Oh yeah, And you know, the Cubs kind of went
through a process there. We didn't know who was going
to be on the team year to year, and our

(37:21):
show was on in Chicago for a long time, but yeah,
there's not a lot to talk about but the Cubs.
And be honest with you, when we I grew up,
my grandfather was a Cubs fan, so my stepdad was
a Cubs fan, so it was just kind of passed
on to me. I would I would never wish that
for anyone, but growing up in Arkansas, we used to
go to Bush and play like Legion ball, like Championships
in Bush Stadium, which was always awesome.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
And I've that's Cardinal Country down there, right, Are you
from Hot Springs?

Speaker 2 (37:44):
I am from Central Arkansas.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, down there for a charity event, and man, that's
Cardinal Country down there. And it's that kind of mix, right,
It's like half Cubs, half Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
It's only Cubs if you were watching it on WGN
the whole time, but it's mostly Cardinals because we had
the team and then the single A team for the
Cardinals forever, and that was like the big trick for me.
Every year we would go to watch the Arkansas Travelers
because you know, they were the single A team for
a long time. That fed into the Cardinals and you'd
go and you'd get autographs and you'd hope they make

(38:15):
it and they never make it, and you just had
some random cards signed by some dude who's now walking
down the street. So that was kind of the situation there.
But yeah, I respected the Cardinals, but since everybody loved them,
I hated them. But that's but I got to play
in the stadium and it was pretty cool. I remember
getting these balls, Jim. I don't know if you guys
ever hit him with batting practice because we would go
and we get to see all the facilities back then,

(38:36):
and the batting practice balls were smaller than normal balls,
which made sense because if you hit smaller balls, it
makes that bigger ball easier to hit. Did you ever
hit with tiny batting practice balls?

Speaker 3 (38:47):
No, not really, there's sometimes they're different because their practice
balls are Also they get the craft beat out of
them because they'd get hit so much, and they don't
last very long, so that's probably another thing too. They're
either brand new all the time time or they're smashed
in from getting hit. But no, not not purposely. Did
they change the balls out, but probably over time. And

(39:08):
I'm sure if you have a ball, like I have
a ball from like the All Star Game in ninety five,
and it looks like it's this big compared to like
this big now, But just in time they get they
were tighter. They were you know, in the nineties, everything
was the balls are rock hard, that bats a rock card.
Everyone was doing steroids. The ball was flying out of

(39:29):
the ballpark. So I think they changed over time, I
really do. They say that they don't, but I can
promise you one that they're not the same.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Year in and you're out.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
You have a guitar behind you, and I feel like
you're a country music guy? Am I? Right?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Am?

Speaker 2 (39:42):
I right on this? What's the guitar for? Back there?
What is that?

Speaker 1 (39:45):
That's Eric Church?

Speaker 3 (39:47):
I got that. I got one from Eric, I got one.
Jason Alden over there? Yeah, I am.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
I you know what, you know how these worlds collide? Right?

Speaker 3 (39:58):
I'm sure you probably either friends with a lot of
uh you said Andy Roddick and a couple of those
guys like I think music and baseball have a huge connection,
which I was surprised.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
So I met Luke through Adam Wayne Wright.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Then I met Jason through DJ Silver with John Perdue.
I'm sure you probably know him and his family, and
then just kind of took off from there. I met
H's become friends with Cole Swindell. He knew Rick and
Keel Like it's just random house like everyone just kind
of like kind of mingled and stayed in touch with
a lot of guys and uh yeah, I really, I

(40:35):
really enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
It's interesting you mentioned Rick and k because Rick was
a pitcher when I first knew Rick, like he came
up the system like crazy, crazy prospect. Then whatever happened
to him emotionally, psychologically, I don't know, and then he
ended up being a good outfielder as well, like play.
But that's one of we talked about Wally Pip like

(40:56):
changed positions like they did that with Aank. You for
a different reason, what because I struggle sometimes if I'm
playing golf, like I get nervous. I played the Pebble
Beach prom and I was scared to death. And I'm
not scared to do anything. I'm my knees were shaking.
Jim nance was calling it. I don't get nervous with
Jim at all. I can do stand up front of
thousands of people. I can do live TV. I scared

(41:18):
to death and I couldn't fix it. When Ank, You'll
goes through something like that, like did you have any
of those moments where also you were just psychologically not
in tune with yourself.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
No, not like that.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
You know, I always tease Rick, and this is a
crazy credit to his ability to He was probably the
only guy ever to make it to the big league swice.
If you think about that. He came up.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
He was nineteen that year.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
It was my first year in Saint Louis, and in
the playoffs he lost it and then lost the.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Field for throwing.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
And then after a year and a half of try
and he went back and said, I'm just going to
be an outfielder.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Actually he quit for a.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Couple of days, and then I think LaRussa talked to
him into going back and trying to be an outfielder.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
And I thought, man, what a this guy was like.
He could have been Randy.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Johnson, you know, I mean, this guy is electric. He
had the best, they said, the best left handed curve ball.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
In the game. He was nineteen, He threw ninety four.
It just was wicked.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
But you know, his upbringing and a lot of things
that he had to deal with, it just probably wasn't
at the time mentally as strong as he was hoping
to be. And now he's all. I mean, I love him.
I still keep in touch with him. I see him
a lot. He was working for TV with us for
a little bit, and now he's doing some stuff in
Florida with boats and fishing and stuff. So but yeah,
what a what a crazy story, huh? I mean, one

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day he couldn't throw the ball over the plate, and
you know, a year and a half later, he's starting
in center field for the Cardinals. So crazy.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
When you would get into a slump, how would you
get out of a slump?

Speaker 1 (42:42):
I would hit a lot.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
I would hit. There's two things. Either stop hitting completely,
Like if you had a chance to.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Take a day off, you probably would.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
I wouldn't hit the day before the day off, and
then I would just kind of wing it for a
day or two. And then in other days when we're
at home, I would just hit.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Extra into my hands blood. I mean.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
And there's times when you have energy and you're not
doing well, and there's times you're just dead tired. So
you then it's just back off and just let your
ability take over. So it's all up here usually in
the mind.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
You know, you get out of out of sync with
your body and out of sync with your mind.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Two final questions. Did you like playing in all Star games?
You know, now we hear players they don't like it,
they'd rather have the days off. Did you like playing
and being around all those other guys?

Speaker 1 (43:25):
I loved it, I really did.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
I could see if you play in you know, ten, twelve,
fifteen of them, it would be a little bit of
a nuisance because you're always expected to do so much.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
But I had a blast.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
I mean, I think it's your obligation to at least
be unless you're seriously hurt or beat up, to go
and you know, represent your team and do that stuff.
I thought it was you know, it's a lot of fun.
You got a lot of camaraderie. There a lot of
interesting you know, it's funny to see the pictures and
the hitters kind of look.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
At each other. You know.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
That's like all these rivalries and guys that you might
not like on one side, but then you play with
them and you love them. So yeah, it's a weird scenario,
but I thought it was kind of cool. I enjoyed,
you know, being around those guys. And how do you
not you know, how do you not be excited about
being around the best of the best, you know, kind

(44:16):
of like going to an awards ceremony, right, and you're
actually now one of those guys Like I love That's
what I.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Love about you.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
It is like you've done everything and you've kind of
gone through what you've gone through, and all of a sudden,
look who are you? You know, look what you have
become just because of hard work, and now instead of
just doing TV and talking to people in radio, you're
like on the red carpet, You're presenting your winning awards,
Like you know.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, I still realls in the outfield though.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Honest with Jim, come on up, I'll get you on
the field for batting practice.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
And we'll see how it goes.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Rival As a pro do you actually care? Do you
actually hate the teams you're supposed to hate that we
as fans, and for me, it can be college football,
it can be the major leagues. Obviously, we as Cups
fans really had trouble with the Cardinals that as a player,
is it really real?

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (45:04):
You know, It's funny.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
When I first got to Saint Louis, I did I
knew there was a rivalry but the Cubs, but I
really was like, what is this deal?

Speaker 1 (45:09):
You know, like I'm just got here. I don't know anyone,
so I thought it was all media driven.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
And then I think the media can push it over
the edge, you know, if it's all you hear, and
then yeah, you learn to not like a certain team
or you know, especially in the in the league a
couple not this year, but a couple of years ago
or in the past, when we were playing everybody in
our division eighteen nineteen times, they got kind of sick

(45:34):
of it, and yeah, I could heat it, and yeah, definitely,
the Cubs Cardinals were a good rivalry for like, you know,
I think after my first second or third year it
started to really become real, like two oh three.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
I think at three, they beat.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Us up pretty good at the end of the year,
and then we got in the fight, and then oh four,
same kind of stuff. And then you know, then you
start losing players, right, you start losing pitchers on their team,
you know, catcher My Colbertt.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Then he ended up going somewhere.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Else, all these different guys, right, and all of a sudden,
what you had left was like Soto and Zambrano, you know,
I mean, other than Zambrano, there wasn't much of a
rivalry left, and so I kind of went downhill for
a while. But I think you feel it because you
feel the fans, you feel the energy, and how can
you not love playing in that stadium, especially now?

Speaker 1 (46:22):
It stems amazing?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
All right, bonus question, best concert you've ever been to?

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Holy cal oh man. I've been to so many now
it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
But you know, I just saw that I really fell
in love with, and it was in a really small venue.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
It was Randy Hauser.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
He played in like a small like pageant type of
thing that we just built a new place here in Chesterfield, Missouri,
and it's cool. It's like a little venue. It's really small.
Chase Rice just played there. I watched a bunch of
guys play there right after kind of got popped there
after COVID because you know, they weren't selling tickets and

(47:01):
so it was kind of cool. I'm going to go
see Cole Swindell this weekend. Here my best story with
Cole Swindell.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I love it. I got divorced and you know the
song you Ain't Worth the Whiskey.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
So that was like the one to live by after
a breakup, right, You think about it like in your
own head and it's a funny story. So we're sitting
in a bar in Nashville. Was a couple of guys,
a couple of writers. One of his buddies, me, a
couple of the guys hanging out and was talking about
that story and just how it meant so much and
it was weird. I was like not saying like, hey,

(47:40):
I love you because of this, but I had known
him for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
I was telling him about the song and he's like,
I'll be right back, and I was like, all right.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Whatever, So now I'm talking to someone else and he
jumps up on stage and started performing the song.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
I was like, this is really damn cool right here.
Those guys are so much fun to be around and
just so talented. I think it's really cool. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
The annoying ones are the ones that were great athletes
and then like they hurt something and they became a
country music like Jaco and great golf, or a collegiate
golfer hurts a shoulder becomes superstar Sam Hunt. College football
player becomes superstar Colswindow. I hate those guys because they
were so good at everything, and I like, I'm good
at nothing, and so and they're so likable as humans
that you don't really hate him, you're just really jealous

(48:21):
of them.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
You know who's doing that now is Adam Waynwright. Adam
Waynewright sang the national anthem on an opening day and
he told no one I saw that. And he carries
his guitar with him everywhere he goes. And he's friends
with Luke, really good friends with Luke, and obviously Jason
and those guys.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
But yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
I don't know if this story is true, but I
was talking to Luke one day and I and he
was at the field, and I said, how did you
really get into playing guitar? Because I know you didn't
play as a kid, And he said, I got released
offer a cut from my high school baseball team or whatever,
and just picked up a guitar so later in life,
which I thought was awesome.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
And Jason said the same thing.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
As soon as you stopped playing baseball, he really got
like he's a hardcore baseball fan talking about a baseball fan.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Wow with the Braves, he's insane. Yeah, he loves a.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Good ball player too.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
When I stopped playing baseball, I just, uh well got
beat up more and studied. I mean that's basically what
I did. So and here we are. Well, look, Jim,
next time you come to town or one of the times,
I'd love to meet you in person. You know, just
been a massive fan for a long time, and you know,
even what you do now, you do a great job
at it. Like just like I don't know, man, I
just get jealous people who are good and good looking

(49:28):
at I don't know, I'm starting sad again here in
the You're not.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Doing so bad.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
I mean, I'm I'm a beautiful wife too now and
things are good for you.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
So, I mean, we listen to you every day here
in Saint Louis.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Love averages, That's what that was. Love averages pretty much, Jim,
huge fan, Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Just kept shuffling them around until you found a really.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Good one, just well just trying to Yeah, we'll go
with that one because I wanted to hear this, and Jim,
great to talk to you. I hope you have a
great day, and I would love to meet you sometime soon, definitely.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
I'll come check it out when we come back into town.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
We're going to be in town maybe next week sometime,
so come on, come back together.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Come meet everybody. We'd love to meet you.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Love to meet you guys too.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Thank you, Thanks for the time, Jim, appreciate it. Thanks
to Jim Edmonds. That's awesome. Like that's my day. Like
when everybody has a day, like a time where they
really thrived and took in every little kernel. Those days
for me, like when I was twelve through like thirty two.

(50:31):
That's a solid twenty years, right, that's a solid twenty
years where I was like, I knew how many games
behind everybody. I mean, it was all I lived. And
then baseball just got too long. Games are too long.
And now we're starting to get back a little bit. Yeah,
and they need because the game has fallen out of
favor because of our attention spans. There aren't as many

(50:53):
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(51:57):
we did heating Celtics, Go Celtics. We did, Lakers and
Nuggets go Lakers. Probably not gonna happen. I'm kind of
cool whom everyone. I'm gona be honest with you. It's
for pretty likable teams.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
You don't care at this point.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
I'm moving for the Celtics' you, But it's pretty relkable teams.
I like the Lakers because I like Lebron. I like
ad I like see Lebron win another one. I like
the Nuggets because I think Yokich is awesome and he
doesn't get the respect he deserves, even from me, because
we just don't want I don't watch them enough, so
I like that. I like new Blood too, like small markets,
the heat. I mean, look at that story playing Gamesman Butler.
The Celtics. You that's all I care about Celtics.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
Yeah, it's all that matters.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
I mean, probably they're the least likable team. But because
the I'm rooting for things. Big softball weekend if you're
a college softball fan, like I spent a lot of
time talking about it. But in my family it's a
big deal because Patty Gasso six championships Oklahoma they've won
too in a row. I think they're going for number three.
They are more team in the country. They won easily

(52:52):
super regionals. Her son, my brother in law, is the
head assister coach at Utah, been there three years program
now for the first time ever, is hosting a super regional.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Oh, he's legit.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
I was wondering where you're posting so much about them.
That makes sense now obviously.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yeah, he's legit. And and I talked to him. I mean,
I call him right after the game. It's the first
time they've ever won Super so and the Arkansas lost
sucked in the regional. So that's what's up. We're probably
gonna go to Utah this weekend to watch. We're that's
we're very that's Kaylin's sister. Yeah, they we're very close.
So I don't know. I went to the college Softball
championship last year, the World Series. How was that crazy?

(53:28):
Because Oklahoma won and I was there and we went
on the field, and like it was hard for me
because I wouldn't war Ocaoma shirt. I won't. I can't
wear oh and a U. But I did have a
shirt that said gasohs the goat okay and that I
can do that. I can support. It's family.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Do you say boom er sooner or never?

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Okay, my lips aren't even going whatever strape it goes
to do that. Never would I do that. So that's
what's up. So softball, Uh, golf, watched a lot of PGA.
What about Old Block? Huh?

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
You know Michael Block. He we talked about the whole
on one that he hit that actually got him into
next year's He cried a lot, but he made me
sad when he was crying. People were making fun of
him for crying all the time, but I'm telling him
that was like real man emotional, Like good for you,
way to feel it, way to show it, let's go.
It's crazy. I think that was like his fourth major
he played in. He never made the cut. Yeah, but

(54:20):
isn't his fourth major? Yeah, Like everybody's acting like they
found him on the streets, like some guy walking around
with a golf club, didn't even know what number it
was showed up to the court. I mean, he's played
in for me. Granted, he finished top fifteen, and that's awesome.
Most of it. Everyone was like setting one thousand dollars
and he had a funny thing at the podium. We're like,
what's the most you ever won? And he goes seting
out thousand bucks and list of the course and everything,

(54:42):
and they were like, wow, you should do know that.
Specific goes, yeah, if you want end a one thousand
bucks you would know it too. Most of everyone before
that was five thousand. Oh wow, and he's like, you know,
he's a golf pro to public course. It's a very
nice public course. Put a public course, so it's pretty cool.
I ended up betting him to finish top ten. He didn't.
Oh I know, I know, I know. I bet him

(55:04):
to finish top ten, and then the last day I
bet Scheffler to come back and win it.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
I was thinking about doing Scheffler.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Well, good thing he didn't.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
He didn't not Brooks would blow it at some point,
so did I.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
And I put one hundred bucks to win, like seven
hundred dollars, eight hundred bucks, and for a second I
was like, oh, here we go, Scottie. He started doing it,
and then he didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
No, any do it.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
But you know, I don't really like the courses when
they grow the freaking rough that long.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
The first three days were tough to watch, especially Friday
and Saturday. I think there was a lot of rain,
and I was like, this isn't good golf.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
The guys are frustrated, Like the nineties NBA, A lot
of defense people running into each other like it wasn't fun.
It's like whenever defensive backs could hit wide receivers all
the time anywhere and not get past it. No, I
like to watch finess. I like to see points scored.
I like to see balls on.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
The green, not in the rough.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
No, I don't care if they go on the rough.
But and there should be a slight penalty, not strokes,
but you are it's a rough, little hard hit, not
the freaking weeds.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Did you see spiez shot out of the sand where
he put it over out of bounds and he was
all pissed off and he was like yelling at the
judge that.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I mean it was great. I saw one where he's
like hit a f and iron good, just that one.
I sent it to Eddie, so he obviously didn't have
a great here it is no, this is from the
tea box.

Speaker 5 (56:29):
I'm gonna play this. He canna play about the fur Mike, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Nance goes. I don't think you like that one. That's great,
that's funny, that's great. No, I didn't see the sand thing.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Yeah, his caddy, he was in the bunker right off
the green and he smacked it and it went out abound.
We don't even know where the ball went lost. It
went out of bounds. And then so he had had
another one and the judge was telling him where he
had to lie and going over all the rules and
he was just so pissed off. And his caty he's like,
all right, dude, let's go, like get it together, let's go.
And then he hits a great shot.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
I guess they've been together long enough he can do that. Yeah.
I like Jordan. I played golf with him twice, hung
with am a little bit. Really nice guy. I never
seen him like what E fan, But it's hilarious.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
John Ron was a little pissed off to you.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
It's you have mics everywhere now, but still I think
I would still have the I would like to to
be able to let it go like that and like
that's really cool. It just shows he's human when he
plays golf. I like it because that's how we all feel.
There's a clip of Charles Barkley where he's playing golf
and he hits and he goes you. He messes up,
and he's like you fat mother, talking to himself, and

(57:42):
I'm like, I felt that. I must if I can
find that. It's so funny. But I like him. When
these world class athletes suck for a minute, I think
I found it. He's talking to himself hilarious.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
So yeah, that's what's I just call myself an idiot
every time.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Yeah, I'm just so, I just get quiet. I'm just sad.
I've been on a struggle bus lately, but I think
I got I'm feeling pretty good about where I am now.
I spent a lot of time thinking about.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
It late nights.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Yeah, just grinding teeth because of it. I go through
bad ruts playing golf where I just like lose it completely,
where I'm like, which way did my hands go? Elbow's been?
What direction? And then I just can, usually with some help,
identify a couple of things, and then it's back and
I'm like, oh, but it goes from it's polar. I'm

(58:37):
never like, oh, I played bad eighty nine ninety, It's like, wow,
I played great eighty two or crap one hundred and
six no in between, no ine between n CAA twenty
fours ago. It'll feature actual players for the first time.

(58:58):
This is the video game, which is awesome. They have
Dynasty Mode, which is awesome. Don't think I can be
running with the raizor bag hardcore so college football players,
the actual people, not RB eight, will be the new
EA college football. There'll be the little guys we played with.
It's awesome, man, that is just some great news.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
I played, we played Mad got a Madden League, got
an NBA league. I did watch the Redeem Team on Netflix.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
If you watch that, Yeah, the one that came out
last year. Yeah, yeah, it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
I did not expect it to be that good.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
We had some issues with Stanley, our bulldog, where he'd
go to the mergency room and I just had I
sat in the merchant for six hours, so I took
some earbuds with me and just knew i'd be there
a while. Earbuds and a charger. I was ready to go. Yeah,
even though he was like convulsing and choking, got my
earbuds and a charger and we got there and he

(59:48):
went in did his thing, and I watched it I
didn't think I would care too much for it in
the way that I did, because I'm like, all right,
we didn't play well, we went back and played we won.
Who cares. It was so much better than that. It
was a story about all those guys coming together. Nobody
really wanted to play that Kobe stuff, like Kobe's like

(01:00:10):
five am going to the gym, and They're all coming
in from the club, and Kobe's like, I'm going to
the gym, and they were like, god, daangn it. So
they started going to the gym. It is great. I
didn't I thought it would be good just because I'm
sports fan. It was great. The Russia. I didn't even
know about the Russia. The United States maybe like seventy six,
seventy four. I don't know where they put three seconds
back on the clock after the US wins the game.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
I didn't know that either until I watched that and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Doug Collins makes the free throws to win the game,
and then all of a sudden, they're like, no, no, Bob,
even though it's over, put time back on the clock.
They chunk in. The Russia's big man scores and wins
the gold medal. Yeah, I had no idea that was
the thing, and its crooked as crab. That's bull crab.
In the US, I wouldn't happen, No, because we had

(01:00:53):
achieved America. It's really good. I can't say enough about it.
I'm never a big Kobe game. I understood, I appreciated,
but man, after watching Redeemed Team, like I really understood
and appreciated, and they didn't make him soft, like, oh,
you'd really loved Kobe. They were like, nobody liked Kobe.

(01:01:15):
He's not that kind of guy. But I guess I
just saw what my intentions and goals always are. Just
freaking go to work and outwork everybody and eventually it'll
shake out. And if it hasn't shaken out yet, I
just haven't worked enough and for long enough time. It's great.
I recommend it was really, really, really great. The Redeem

(01:01:36):
Team on Netflix only been out of year. I guess,
per Kevin, you made the one that came out in
two thousand and seven. Yes, Kevin, I'm just telling y'all
liked it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Making sure we're talking about the same one here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
A right, final thoughts, what if, say, Kevin, you got okay?

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
This is how I know I'm getting older, right, and
getting old. I was talking to read about this a
little bit ago. And I work out five to six
days a week, keep in good shape, do all kinds
differ stuf, flifting weights, party or whatever. And I'm out
at the pool yesterday and I'm just laying there and
getting some sun and I go to just turn positions,
you know, from being on my back to the stomach,
and I pulled something in my back, and I think

(01:02:12):
to myself, what does how does this something like this happen?

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
I think it's inactivity more than old. What do you
mean because when you were younger, you were doing more
constantly physically. I think if you just stayed going to
the same constant level, you'd still be fine. But obviously
you've slowed down a little bit, even if you work
out five or six days a week. I think inactivity

(01:02:36):
more than old because you're not old. Well you thirty two? Shoot,
I got turds old and you and that toilet over
the house.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
I just felt like, really, just turning over, this is
gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
What's gonna happen, though, is you're not gonna heal as
fast because I still go extremely hard as well. And
when something gets hurt, it pisses me off because I
know it's gonna be a long time before it's back
to normal. And you ain't seen anything yet, and I
haven't seen anything yet either, Like I just know what
I'm dealing with now. In ten years, I'll be like, man,
I wish i'd really appreciated what I was then. That's
the hardest part about being athletic and getting older or

(01:03:11):
still going hard is that when you do, like like
tweak something or it just doesn't go away. It's almost
like a birthmark, like my shoulder that I heard on
Dancing with the Stars. It's just basically a birth mark.
Now I've heard it, I've heard it again and again
and again. It would just well not I've let done therapy,
I've done everything. It is what it is. It's like
my face might be ugly, but it's mine. Read run

(01:03:35):
a video over there. What do you got? Get a thought?

Speaker 6 (01:03:36):
I played thirty six holes yesterday and I regretted. My
body hurts.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
I'm chafed in areas that should not be chafed.

Speaker 6 (01:03:44):
It was rough, and so I think if I would
have started earlier, it would have been okay.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
But we didn't start until like noon. So but where
did you play thirty six holes?

Speaker 6 (01:03:53):
It was u what was it called twelve stones up
in Goodlets Fidde. So a normal course, normal course, Yeah
it was. I mean yeah, it was a long course too.
There was like four or five par fives and it
was a beautiful course. Though it's like superhealy, but I'm hurting.
Why the chafing of the soreness, the chafing of the chafing,

(01:04:16):
the soreness from working out for the first time and forever.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
But the chase. But you worked out other than the
golf course.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Yeah, I worked out on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
That's probably a big part of yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
And then you go golf.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
It's like I'm play thirty six of I'm so hard, Okay,
Like I get it. Maybe your sunburn or something. He's like, no,
I'm sure of it. What you did before seven hundred squad.
But no, bro, that's what it is. I think it's
the chafing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Oh, let me end with this. I think this is
the most fun I've had watching the ANBA playoffs in
ten years, just with almost every like Kevin, I know
one of us, but you have you have a team involved, right,
I don't have a team. I'm talking about this as
a casual now more than casual, but not super die
hard NBA, Like I have been be a Sunday ticket
and I watched that. But this is the most fun

(01:05:03):
I've ever had watched the playoffs. Every team has a
storyline all most of all the series have been really good.
We're at a place now where they're not. They're both
three to zero, but you're still invested because it's Lebron
and it's Tatum, so shout out NBA. Even it's the
most dramatic I've ever seen. The ping pong ball with Yeah,

(01:05:25):
now you've messed me up. I had to say, I've
never messed up until you said that. So and one
of my buddies, Steve, is a huge Spurs fan, and
I was at dinner when they did the ping pong ball.
They got it, they did the card. I guess we
didn't see the ping pong ball was all the car
flipped and so I didn't watch it live because I
don't care. And then I get a voice text and
I hit it and it's just him going ah like

(01:05:45):
yelling it was him because he's a dire Spurs fan
and it was like the greatest for him. So NBA
pretty cool in my book this year. That's it all right,
thank you guys, Thanks again, DraftKings Bobby sports is the
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(01:06:08):
You gotta post more read I know I do need
you gotta go up there and post more like five
posts a day, right, Mike, Yeah, what they say do
a nude on there too? Of who though?

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
No chasing them?

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
All right, thank you guys, Hope you have a great day,
see you later on. We'll go do another one this week.
We're back like in official capacity this week, and then
we're off official capacity until like August, right, yep, maybe
the months January one, February, March, April, mate, June, July, August. Oh,
we don't even say that, are we. Then you just
announced something now I didn't announce anything anything. We think

(01:06:42):
we could be coming back. We haven't finalized the day,
but we're off for sure. After this we'll be doing
random episodes, but we'll be back again this week. Thank
you guys, and for you that listen to this whole thing.
We're not going to pull that off the podcast, but
we're not even going to address that we said it
ever again. What exactly exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Thank you guys, bolly whistle there it is the theme
song written by Bobby Bones and performed by Brandon Ray.
Follow Brandon on socials at Brandon Ray Music. Thanks to
our crew, segment producer at Kickoff Kevin, video producer at
reed Yarberry, and executive producer at Mike Diestro. Most importantly,
thank you for listening to Bobby Bones. We'll talk to

(01:07:20):
you next week.

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