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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's hello everyone, Welcome back to four from the South.
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This is for Brissikopano and sadly, this week I'm not
with Steve Healey. He's on the road. I don't know
what he's doing. Hopefully he'll be fine. But we have
good news because she frees from Chile. She's a famous
comic from Latin America. She is smart, she is great,
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she's a good friend of mine. So we have a
guest this week, Paloma Salas. How are you, BAA. I'm
absolutely shocked Steve's not here. He was a recent I
was coming into the podcast. I I really missed my
friend Steve he doing. The last time I checked his Instagram,
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he was with with the cattle. Ah of it. I
don't know what he's doing, but he's taking care of
some cattle. He's hanging around with like house and stuff.
That's his new life. So looks like Latin America is
not that important anymore. He just want to take care
not even it's not even like really happy cows like
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in the grass, like in the greenery. It's like really
trapped horrible cows in like cages. It's it's the it's
the opposite direction of the of the world. Yeah, of
whatever's good. Today we have an special special special uh
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admission Baloma. We we or listeners are mostly Americans, are
mostly green Ghost and what we want to try to
do is for this episode, we want to try to
explain what's going on in Chile. Right now. We are
four days maybe yeah, four days to the most important
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election maybe the history of the country. And we got
to this point because of your fault, Americans, see ruin
our country. Absolutely, we're here to talk about that. It's
absolutely America's. Well actually, the last probably the last forty
five years have been America's fault for us. Right before
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that was Spain. So before that was Spain, and before
that was just you know, God and Jesus and Mary
or whatever. See, but right now we're going through what
they went through. Like was it four or five years ago? Yes?
Maybe five? Yeah, because Biden is in it has been
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an office for for a year now, see, which feels
like a weekend. But um, were in the latter week
no before the election Trump the Clinton and when well,
my partner and I have been reminiscing a lot about
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a week we spend in New York the week just
before the elections Trump and Hillary. Yeah, so we went
we saw the debate at Littlefield. This that commedy still around,
still around, yeah around. Okay, So we saw the debate
there and it was great. Everyone had their hopes up.
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We we saw Elena Glazier in uh and we said hi,
and we were like, she's gonna win. Oh no, think
about them absolutely. I wouldn't say that's something that maybe
is defferent, know, but what I'm going to say right
now is that I've been thinking a lot about that
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week because this week feels like, ah, come on a
lot like that one, you know, like the fail false
feeling of joy. But I have to say that something
very different different this time is when I remember when
when Trump won, and that last week people thought that
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it's impossible for Trump to win. Every pole was showing
that it was impossible. In this case scenario in Chile,
we have casts that is or trumpy guy against borig
that is or social democratic character and uh, there's a
there's a chance. Every pole showed that there's a narrow
lead from boriing, but it's not it's not that big,
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So it's not going to be like that much of
a shock. I think see no, no, no, we're prepared
because I mean I know what happened in the States,
not only because I was there a week before, because
you know, Internet exists, and the whole of our country. Yeah,
the whole of our country knows what happens in this
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States and knows what happened in Brazil, which is pretty similar,
you know, and we are looking to Argentina. That's uh,
coming up with one of these characters too. Yeah, we
talked about him a couple of times in the posket Yeah, Melee,
the hair guy. The hair it's something over the hair
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and the jacket that's you know, the jacket has it's
important to think, I want to take a drink here
because let me interrupt you with something I think. Or
Trumpy Guy, because all these characters are weirdos in different ways,
you know, like the Showman's they like like like TV.
But old Trumpy Guy it's not that much charismatic, not
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because he's Chilian, I mean Chilean. Chilean Trumpy Guy of course,
is a fucking nerd and nobody nobody wants to party
with him. Nobody wants to go on a yacht with
him and spend you know, fiscal money with him. Um,
nobody wants to do anything anything like sexy weird with it,
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Like there's not maybe rodeo maybe he's going to be.
Maybe he's going to be like they're gonna sit him
in a throne like space in a rodeo where he
looks nothing like anyone else in the rodeo crowd, and
he's going to look at the rodeo kind of like
the Game of Thrones kids, you know, because once again
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or listeners cast or trumpy guy, he is blonde, he's German,
like he's half German or more than half, and he's
not he's a evangelical super Christian for real. St she
that not evan because what I heard and this is
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a really good selling point with evangelical people voters, is
that shents that kind of hates evangelical people and around
the world Chanst tries to convert evangelicals and to keep
track of those small Yeah, but that's that's the kind
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of subtleties the left has left out, you know, And
they don't attack that. They don't go for that kind
of stuff because they have no idea. And that's exactly
the kind of stuff and the right and the right
wood us. You know, yeah, well we we we were
having a very dirty campaign or or more each that
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he's thirty five, he's younger. He's being accused many times
in an indirect way of harassment, like sexual harassment. Then
he was also last debate, he there were a lot
of talks about if he's doing drugs, even with it
was a fake report of him being a cocaine addict.
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And at the same time, I feel like or or
or once again or Trump or version of Trump. It's
always like, uh, not as out loud, He's not gonna
double down as a real Trump, but still using the
same techniques. There's only one Trump. You know, we can
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we can try. Never we will never really achieve that
achieve that level of trumpiness, you know, I mean, uh,
it's too much. Even even Yesterday's Yesterday night was the
last debate. Cast appeared like showing like a tone, a
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skin tone, like a new kind of no. I thought
it was kind of orange, and his blondness was kind
of blondier and like his his part the part of
his hair was kind of like stuff here, like he
was trumping down all the way. Um yeah, interesting, interesting, interesting,
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Um I want to I want to add that last
last last debate, there was a moment that was my
favorite moment of the whole evening because once again, uh
cast for many weeks was um, you know, asking about
drug test uh personal personal attacks. That's all all he got,
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you know. So he was like, every time they start
talking about what you're gonna do about the narcos and
the war on drugs whatever, He's like, well, I think
we should get a drug test because I don't know
this guy, you know. So he was implying that boy
have have an issue with drugs. So he was doing
this again. And the funny thing is like it was
so obvious that he will do this that Borge was
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ready this time. And he was like, yeah, I have
my drug test right here. And he shows he's uh
drug test showing negative in God, Like, yeah, he's right
here this whole positive guys, I've done it all. I've
done it all. I'm probably um. And and that was
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like a shocking TV moment, which is which is kind
of like, I don't know, I smoke weed a few
times a month, and I still think, uh, drug trafficking
is bad, Like I still want to I still I
still like one poor neighborhoods not to live under, you know,
drug lord of course, yeah, like, of course it has
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nothing to do like he's doing cocaine in the bathroom.
He probably is the drug lord. That's like such a
weird view. Um. And that's such a like a stupid
way of making the conversation about the other person and
not about the issue at hand. I'm sorry, my dog
has brent kitis. Oh uh. Well, one of the other
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parts that are very similar to the to the to
the Trump and once again we're trying to throw these lines, uh,
just to our audience can understand what's going on. Uh.
It's cast also hate gay people, but at the same time,
lately he's been trying to use them, uh in a
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in a different way. Uh. And it's part of the
what they call the cultural words in a way. But
the funny thing is, I think that doesn't apply to Chile,
and they've been trying to push this thing. If it
was the same in Chile and in the US, I
don't know what you think about that. I remember one
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of there's one of one of Trump's daughters whose name
nobody knows, is the one who was never there because
Ivanka is his wife. I mean, I mean the other one,
the one Ivanka had when they were married, one that
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looks like a little bit like a goldfish. Yeah. And
well she was supposed to be like the gay friendly
Trump remember that. And she made this like weird uh
set speech or rally, I don't know, because they do rallies.
They don't do they don't do like speeches. And she
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had like an l g t b Q flag, And
we were supposed to feel or think there were lots
of gays in the audience. There were like three people
maybe and got it with with our trumpy guy. It's
kind of similar. But the worst thing is it actually, um,
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there's been like a divide in the l g t
b Q community. It's mostly gay men with money that
are actually rooting for this guy. Yeah, this guy that
has has worked in Congress and has voted against every
freaking possible idea of you know, uh, gay marriage or
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gay adoption or bathroom rights or transgender rights or whatever
for everyone, you know. And now it's like they think
they're there will be a better economic landscape with this guy,
which is which is absolutely not verifiable by his program.
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Like I think it's like two hundred and seventy economy
teachers and economic people have signed this letter against this program,
like saying it's crazy, it's it's weird. How how the
they you can you can just copy paste some of
this um uh ways of thinking and then trying to
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infuse it with the Chilean uh current state of craziness,
you know, because we we had a little revolution October nineteen,
and then you have what happened with the constitution. So
we have like this fairly trumpy guy in a very
different context, and he's doing pretty well, even he's against
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everything that people was was pro a month ago. So
how you explained that? Like, I think that's the hardest
thing for me to understand. People were like going in
one direction and then in the last minute they're like, okay,
give me, give me, give me cast Yeah, but I
think it's I think it's um There's a lot of
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analysis going around, Like Boring Brake was extreme left, So
what extremes make uh? Like whatever you are, you're you're
you're up against something like you but from the other
side something like that, Like there's this magical balance that
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exists when someone is not say it too closed to communism,
the like Hitler must arrive you know, um, which I
remember too was part of uh Bernie Sanders thing. I
remember like a really cool speech he made, going like
is it radical for me to want old people to
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die with some dignity? Is it radical for me to
say that is the right? Gotta like saying like health
rights is not radical, like things that normal basic human
needs being met, It's not radical, you know. Um. So
I think these kind of polarizations are happening because it's
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the Internet mostly, like I think these people come from.
It's the same way. Like we didn't expect like anti
vactors to be like hippie hippie a background New AG
Like yeah, like we didn't. I didn't see that coming,
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Like I didn't think like like now it makes all
of the sense in the world, you know. But now
there's this huge I don't know, it's huge, but you know,
New AG people maybe voting for the Trump you guys,
it's funny. It's funny because in my mind, of course,
the New AG people, it's like chill and they wanted
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to see piece and you know that they're like super
okay people, Yeah, progressive exactly because yeah, they're doing drugs
of course, so they pro pro drugs and you feel like, okay,
this poor like me. And then yeah, but they also
hate science and they yep, Internet paved the way for
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them from New AG stuff into anti vax which makes
a lot of sense, anti vax into you know, mobility
passes and whatever, and and now it's just like it
all it's like, oh yeah, a new AG people are
the right, you know, it's so interesting. And I remember
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like when I was growing up a lot of people
hate hippies. It was like it's funny, and now you're interesting,
why absolutely absolutely? Okay, yeah, yeah, hippies also have that
side they can go through that weird direction that I
think not said there's uh there was this no, not
at all, not but but kind of most of them
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right now, yeah, most of them right now for sure. Yeah. See,
like they didn't they didn't stick around for feminism really
like they didn't. Are there like lots of gay hippies.
I don't know them. Yeah, maybe they're still in the closet.
Maybe there's like lesbian communes, like lesbians building stuff together
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and the woods I can imagine, like I'd like to
join them, but please send me where you are, But
I don't see them as like hippie dB like not
trusting science exactly. I want to like also talk about
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this other concept that shocked me that it was part
of the debate last night in Chile. And once again
I think this is just like copy pasting from the
US because it doesn't make any sense. Is when this
candidate cast start talking um about council culture and he
used like that is like the translate Google translation of
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the concept, and we don't use it that way. I
think Chile is funa. It's like the most similar part
that funa is like yes, cancelation to something or someone
or a company or whatever. Uh that it's it's been
I don't know, doing something. Come on, ye we have
we have funas like way before Bill Cosby, I mean,
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I mean we were probably invented. I mean, yeah, it's
lucky to never have to deal with a funa. You know,
he's really lucky. Like my my grandma was a big
funaloda and she would spit on people in the street.
You know, that was a real you know, that's a
real funa. You know, like take your handbag and hit
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over the head like some come up pret that's that's
what happened in after the Pinochet government dictatorship. There was
this moment in time, there was a nice lip over there,
a successful run. He a lot of people who were
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part of that government never went to jail, never even
were closed to go to jail. So people decided to
make justice by themselves, and that's what we call funa.
Just go outside. Basically, it was basically you would meet
I don't know, you know, Ted's priest in the street
and my grandma was spit would spin on his face,
kicked him if she could, and throw his hand back,
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her handbag like over his head and try to like
hit him, you know, like like old lady. They tweeted
me and now it's like exactly at play four hours,
I don't know what I'm gonna do in my life.
That's not funa is the real deal real I was.
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I was in. I was in. I was one of
the people that was standing outside of Cupidencia when they
did this huge grassnov memorial one of the most famous, yeah,
one of the most famous uh tortures from the Pinochet government.
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Well he has he's in jail. He has like five
not no, it's like thirty five thousand years something it's
like a crazy by the way, I love this record
probably I love that they they're like, okay, of course
he's going to die before they adding, yeah, that's how
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bad Chilean justice is. It's just we let's let's add
up these numbers for one guy and let all the
other ones just roam free. Um. And they and they
did this really horrible right winged people that say Pinochet's
government instead of leadership. Um, they did this like service
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for him, like some sort of like honorary thing in
this like posh club in someplace in Santeo. And and
everyone that went in would received like a real, real
deal funa. That was that was not that was real
cancel culture. People going in with their shirt stripped, you know,
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spit under, maybe maybe one shoe. Yeah. No. One of
the things that connect with what we're talking is that
kashnov Uh he's a very good close friend with Caste.
So that kind of people are we talking about here,
Like he's a close defender of this searcher um talking
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back about this this cancel culture. It's it's not weird
that in a way or politicians, I think they look
closely to what happened in the US I'm sure they
have maybe one or two people connected with the Trump administration,
not directly, but like maybe the some of the guys
who work in the online side maybe give them some
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advice to someone that is in their their their team. Uh.
It was so funny because like Trump has like Cambridge
and a little girl like say Mark Zuckerberg has to
go on talk in Congress, you know, and here's like
bots are like, uh, say some guys random dude you know,
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bought farms in the Muco, uh, which is not even
a farm. Maybe it's like working in his problem's house.
But it's working really well. It's working really well right now.
There's a misinformation campaign online that is very effective because
they're so good at cutting little clips, putting on TikTok
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or Instagram, and clearly they put a lot of money
on them. There's a lot, like there's a budget here.
So it's working. And I think that's one of the
reasons why casts can be the next president of Chile
because it's working really really well. Why we on the
other side, I think we didn't see that coming. It's
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so clear that they wouldn't do that. What there happen
and having this like totally bland, uh tasteless, uh cast guy,
and he has a TikTok account of uh since years.
He's really good and it's really good at TikTok. Why not?
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I don't know. Clearly. The Right is really way more
like innovative in his ways of like getting into people's brain.
And it's scary. But I think we have one thing
in our side that they don't have, and it's the
a Priori Chesso experience, like so close. Because we we
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voted two we voted to have a new Constitution Act written, yes, yes, yes,
a convention to write a new constitution exactly, and we
had we had this referendum. We had to approve or
disapproved to write this new constitution and that was like
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really grassroots. Uh come on? The whole uh marketing campaign
of the approved was made by people, Like there wasn't.
There wasn't like a litteral like a leadership that could
and say, receive money from donors and then put that
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money into marketing strategy strategy right eight, Like the approved
disapproved election was completely made by people, and we want
by you know, and I feel like some of it
is rubbing off boards. I think it's true. I think
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it's true. There's a lot of self made memes and
it's not there's not there's there's not coming from the top,
it's coming from the bottom. And I think that could
be the big puss that will make him president. And
I think that's the only thing we got in our time. Uh,
that's that's everything we got because um, I feel like
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Chelip had like we are a big marketing strategy. It's
a lab. Yeah, absolutely, and people kind of already know
how to push a campaign like they do. Like it's
amazing that every single Plasa Park square and my part
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of town, which is not like especially leftist a neighborhood,
not at all, and and everything's being takeover by you know, Borik.
I don't know Flas And that's pretty cool. And and
once again I feel like that going back to like
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what democracy is supposed to be, Like people should be
like involved and choosing and supporting not because it's like
there's a big machine of money pouring down and helping
to like prints this thing. And it couldn't be and
it couldn't be more obvious. Like one of them has
like bought farms and the other one has like nice
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old ladies like quilting a sign for the new presidents,
you know, and it's like it couldn't be more just
insanely obvious, like who should we maybe the next election,
we should pay those old woman's to also be bought
and that would be the perfect scenario for everyone anything. Um, absolutely,
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because they need money, they need they need the money
because pensions for really low. We uh, yeah, we're gonna
keep talking. Of course, the election is gonna be this weekend.
Then after that we're gonna we're gonna know who's the
new president of Chile. And this is the only podcast
in English with two Chileans speaking in English, just for
you guys, so you guys can learn about what's going
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on over there. I don't know if you learn anything,
but that was kind of fun for me. So I
appreciate that you guys are listening so much. Bye bye.
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