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February 3, 2022 32 mins

This week on 4 From the South, Steve and Fab are joined by special guest Paloma Salas. The three of them discuss the New York Times naming Chile one of the 52 places to go, an athlete too busy to get vaccinated, and a garlic shortage in Cuba. Finally, it wouldn’t be a discussion of current events in South America without another country getting in on crypto.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, guys, we're here on four from the South and

(00:23):
we have a special guest today. This is amazing. We
have Paloma Salis is back. Paloma, how are you doing? Hi?
I am wearing a sticker over a pimple. Oh well,
that is my current. Well listeners, if you're not driving,
close your eyes and really summon the pimple, the pimplee
face of Paloma Salis, one of Latin America's premier comedians.

(00:47):
Were so lucky to have you. And of course, as usual,
we have my good friend for B two on fab
How are you doing. I'm good. I don't have no
pimples today, no clear skin, zero pops. Okay, guys. So
here on the show for from the South, we always
bring you four stories from big Latin America. So this
week we're gonna talk about exciting news for Chile made

(01:07):
the cut on the New York Times fifty two Places
to Go with something in at number fifty one. We're
gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about you guys
have been having a scandal similar to the Joco uh
Jocovic thing in Australia. Athletes. Yeah, they can't cross the border. Yeah,
joker I think it's joker. It's the joker we're gonna

(01:31):
talk about that. We're gonna talk about the garlic shortage
in Chile or in Cuba rather. Um, we haven't talked
too much about Cuba here on the podcast. Maybe we
can get some some vibe checks. Yeah, well, we don't
hear much about it unless it's like um, and since
you honestly, since Fidel Castro died, it's sort of like
the star of the show, there's not a focus anymore.
We'll get into Cuba a little bit, and then we

(01:52):
will talk about Uruguay getting in on the crypto game.
Those will be our four stories from Big Latin America today.
But first we're gonna start with, um, Cuba, I mean Chile, guys.
You made it. Sero Castillo National Park in Chile makes
it onto the New York Times fifty two places to go. Now.
I don't know if you guys follow this, but every

(02:13):
year the New York Times. Yeah, what if it's a
it's a very odd number. Good question it because there's
fifty two weeks in the year, and like every person,
you're taking a vacation every weekend, so you're going somewhere
cool a couple of years ago they had they did
a gimmick where they had a reporter go like spend
a week in each of these places on like a
frantic travel schedule. Um. I don't think it was any

(02:37):
she got all kinds of diseases and died, But I
guess you guys have this nice. By the way, this
list is always like they're always like to put things
on there, like this year, Cleveland's on there. Did you
know Cleveland is actually like really cool and great and
you should go visit there. Um, so we shouldn't. They
go to a place the way there's trash and they're like,
we found one thing and they tried to make it
a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know Cleveland has a

(02:59):
cool bar where they like put a little bit of
lavender in your cocktail and it's really amazing and I
want to go now. Actually just and that that they
just the only reason for this to happen is that
they ruin the Cleveland bar. They ruin it was like

(03:23):
a nice secret place like like Cleveland School, but nobody
knows about it and they ruin it. Do you think
they're gonna ruin Of course they will. Of course they will,
like sa Cast is like an awesome, beautiful nature place
near but everyone goes to Soa is kind of like untouched.

(03:48):
And now there's gonna be like picnic trash a little bit.
Now there's going to be fifty million hipsters there. Well,
it sounds like the special thing you got. There's the
fifty million of that's all. What would you estimate the
world population of hipsters? How many hipsters are there in
the world according to the last senses, Yeah, because I
think it's like hipsters are kind evolved dying, right they aren't.

(04:14):
Aren't hipsters millennials, No, they're not dying. They're becoming the
normal right now. I think they becoming the normal. I
think they're just norms are dying. Hipsters are taking over.
Everyone is hipster now. There's no who doesn't go to
the fancy coffee shop and you know, have a little
beard and yeah, likes like the norm. It's everywhere. It's

(04:36):
swept the world's what's outside hipsters now? Well, there used
to be norms and like people that would wear a
tie and go to work, and I don't think that
exists anymore. I don't see that person didn't didn't hipsters
because hipsters didn't wear ties. They wore like both ties.
Yeah exactly. Yeah, yeah, that I mean that. I think

(04:58):
I think bore each when it's kind of a hipster
in a way. You know, our new president was who
was ratified as a president today by the electoral college
kind of thing. There was no January six style. Nobody
tried to storm the place there will be No, No,

(05:19):
there wasn't a January six. Yeah, no, we didn't have that.
We didn't have that this time. But once we don't
know march that could happen. No, no, no, because it
was not in the inaggregation was actually like today like
in the in the counting devote, so we were counting
that we don't know the obstacle. Yeah, I think he

(05:42):
doesn't seem like he doesn't seem exciting enough to inspire
people storming the capital too. And the previous Yeah yeah,
well not but the previous guy. No, nobody's going to
storm the capital on behalf of Panera, right, he's just
not worth now, No on behalf of been you don't know,
but maybe on behalf of our trumpe guy. Yeah, but

(06:09):
I don't know, and I really want to correct something.
A body is more interesting than Biden. I need to
say that before the podcast. Well, I don't know. Fidon's
kind of got some some some magic to him. For sure.
He's been around, He's got a lot of miles on him.
He was Barack Obama's best friend for a while. He
likes eating ice cream. Don't undersell Joe Biden think is

(06:33):
going to start. I know, I know someone I know
someone whose dad played golf with Obama two weeks ago. Really,
what was the report that he was really nice, that
the person's dad I know told them about Tilt and

(06:55):
that he should come visit. Wow. Cool. Fascinating to finally
to finally ruin that that place. Bring like a bunch
of reporters following Barack Obama. Okay, where he's probably going
to play golf. Do you think Obama have they spoken? No,

(07:16):
but he spoke with Biden and he Kamala has invited
to the inauguration. This old rumor of Kamala is going
to Chila. She was trending for twenty four hours. Oh
that's great, We're people excited about that. Yeah, because everywhere
in the world thinks that Kamala is a beloved figure.
Oh cool, how wrong? Honestly, I actually, actually I thought

(07:45):
she was a beloved figure, Like, tell me about it please. Um, Well, actually,
they've been there's been a lot of articles. It's sort
of it's sort of just been bubbling up that she
because you know, people are worried that Biden will not
be able to to run for president next time. He's
very old, he's tired. He has trouble, uh keeping track
of complicated which, by the way, even when he was

(08:05):
a young when he was like in his thirties, he
used to get stuff wrong all the time. He had
some scandals in college where he was like plagiarizing things.
He's not like, you know, a razor sharp intellect. He
has many great gifts in terms of responding to people,
and everybody likes him. So that's why he got elected president.
But he's an old man, he's tired. Maybe somebody else
will have to run in The obvious choice would be

(08:27):
Kamala Harris, but then sort of articles came up. You know,
Kamala Harris, she's never really done anything. It seems like
she doesn't really do her homework. She's done a couple
of interviews where she doesn't really like have very good
answers to things. She just seems a little lost. The
sort of narrative, the insider narrative in Washington is that
she's she's not doesn't have the at the moment, doesn't

(08:47):
have the juice to get elected in and also like,
you know, is anyone going to vote for this person?
Why what's she ever done with her career? But now
you guys are making me and now I'm kind of
getting into the Kamala comeback narrative. Maybe be this maybe
going to Chile as part of the road to global
success that would transcend this. I could see this, Yeah,
making a good impression the Chilean inauguration. I think everyone

(09:12):
in the world thought, oh, there's a African American Asian
descendant woman, you know, vice president for the first time.
Everyone must love her. That was like the impression of
the entire planet. And then after that there was no
new information. So there's still there's absolutely no new information.

(09:34):
Like the last thing I heard about her was like,
we didn't down like that good impression Kamala Harris. The
Kamala Harris is that we did it Joe lady, and
we love her because it's funny period, and she's coming
and she's going to be like we did it, Boridge country,

(09:55):
my country, like we did it, and everyone's going to
be like wow, because right now politics are just memes
like TikTok. That's true. She does look like that we
did it, Joe, ladies gonna come. She has meme potential.
I think she gets done in the Chile. Look for

(10:17):
a meme moment and build on that and everything could
be turned around, no question, can I at any more?
What was the regional topic of this conversation? I don't know,
parks and there. I'm really I'm really glad we forgot

(10:38):
about it, so nobody visits. Yeah, don't come, no more
a take away, no more avocals for you, get away
from my country. Don't you ever come with your disgusting viruses.
Go away, please go away? Okay. Topic two sounds like

(11:06):
you guys are having something like Joko Nokovic. Uh scandal.
Uh an athlete was denied admission to Chile. What's the
story there? So? Uh? Well, we know about the this
tennis player that I don't know his name, that yeah,
he was not unvaccinated. Why why are you two guys

(11:26):
having so much trouble with Joko? But like he's so
famous yeah, I don't know, way more famous huge would
win in a landslide, no question. Yeah, international superstar. And
I kind of like what he's up to in Australia.
He uh, he showed up. He's like, I'm not vaccinated,
but I don't have to be. And you guys have
to let me in. You said you would, And then
Australia kind of change their tune and now he's going

(11:47):
back and forth and it seems like he's gonna last
I heard. It seems like he's going to get let
in and might win the Australian Open. Would be thrilling.
So I kind of like this the villain bad boy here,
even though I'm pro vaccines, I suppose, but okay, you
guys have your own version going on. What's the story?
So yeah, we had the Ironman's in pocon that's a
beautiful place that Blona was there a second ago. And yeah,

(12:10):
this is woman called Barbariverdos that she didn't get the
vaccine for COVID. She well, the reason she gives it's
I think it's worse than the tennis player she's she
said that she didn't have time. I mean she didn't
have time. I mean because she does the Iron Man.
But she's always running, you know, but he's always running.

(12:35):
I'm always running Like I didn't get it. But maybe
they could get a nurse who could keep up with
her and give it to her while she's running. Or
I mean, is something you do if you have too
much time on your hands. Who has the time to
train running like swimming? If you don't have kids and
you don't have anything to do with your life and

(12:56):
you just just hate your yourself, Yeah, you do go
to try is she is? She? Um? She didn't get
the third vaccine or she hasn't gotten any of them. No,
she said. The reason why I'm not vaccinated is because
I had a year and a half in Australia without
going out until they reopen the Olympic ranking to try

(13:20):
to go to Tokyo. So in my in that time,
Australia was too stressed out about vaccines and the priority
was older people. After that, I haven't been in one
place to put me there to thoses, So she have none? Uh,
because I've been traveling to be part of these games. Well,
I don't know. Maybe she's got a case there she

(13:42):
was too busy. But then she finished with this She's like,
I invite everyone to get vaccinated. It's important. Well, if
it's important, what you've been doing this last year? Uh yeah,
I love it. I love it. How like she's been
too worried about just getting into these games and she
was trying to get into the Australian one, trying to

(14:05):
get to Tokyo. But she she got to Pokon. Actually
she got she didn't get Tokyo. You know what it was, Sidney,
And then I had to go to Tokyo and I
was like, so, I mean, the whole thing is like
I'm hearing Pukon with you guys. Are you okay? Please

(14:26):
get vaccinated? Pukon, like, please go? And actually I want
to say something. I was in Pukon last week. You
were doing the Iron Man having I was having a
little vacation for myself. The Iron Man absolutely ruined my vacation.

(14:46):
The streets were, you know, blocked closed before the real Ironman.
They have a kitty Iron Man for like families they
tell their kids see and any children run and and
swim and bicycle around and everyone's vacation is ruined because

(15:07):
the children need to do the the thing. And my
friend didn't have the third vaccine, and she went and
did it in Pucon and it was like so fast
she got her third shot in Pucon, she got her
he got his third shot, and it was really fast

(15:28):
and she could have done it there. You hear that
Americans go down to Chile and not only can you
see the Saro Castillo Park, but you can get your
third shot instantly. Don't go to the booster in the world.
Go to Pokon, which is already a living hell, and

(15:49):
just live Sara Castillo alone. Go to Pocon and have
a horrible So, how did this your vacation just because
you couldn't get around or like stuff with too busy?
Because I hadn't What were you envisioned going in awhere
you're going to go down? I was envisioning like spending
the whole day in the lake, you know, and maybe

(16:10):
going to like a restaurant in the evening and then
going to bed and then spending the day in the
lake again. But it's impossible. You have to have reservations
for everything. Everything's full, and the streets the lake. Then
the lake is full of poop, you know, floating around

(16:34):
and the boats just have to like push the poop
a side so they can move. And it sucks, and
people suck, and vacations are impossible, especially kids. We can
hear from here. See, Yeah, the baby's crying because because
mom's wee see we're talking about the vacation and the

(16:58):
baby got upset. Pookum PTSD. Okay, guys, well the story
number three for us. I'm reading The Economist, which we
we know is the number one source for news about
Latin America. They always have the accurate take. But I
guess there's a problem in Cuba. They don't have enough garlic,
which is a big issue because that's like the thing
in Cuban food. But there's like a black market for garlic.

(17:21):
A bulb of garlic costs like a dollar um. And
this has been ongo This has been a problem before,
like garlic profiteers in Cuba. There's all kinds of problems
going on in Cuba. There's rabbits are dying, pigs are
on the number one. Yeah, but the garlic crisis is
sweeping Cuba. And I just wanted to get your guys
thoughts where we at on Cuba. It feels like we

(17:41):
we don't hear much about it anymore since Fidel Castro died,
we kind of like lost the star of the show. There,
what's up with Cuba? What's going on this? This is me?
Or do every every communist party, I mean any communist
country in Latin America they have a big, big main character.
That show is insane. Then they changed the cast and

(18:04):
sucks so bad. It's like why they can't They're so
the first one is so good that they don't have
the ability to create the coming up with it just
one season if you don't have a follow up to
just keep up with the game, you know, like do
the really like the real finish it, finish it with

(18:25):
your character there, I mean, Chelvis, you can't. You can't
replace Chevis, you know you can't. And Maduro is like
it's so bad. He's so bad at this job. He's
not charismatic, he have no stressing everyone else. It's ruining
everyone life. Like no other countries get to make their

(18:46):
own series because they just hate the Maduro sequel. It
sucks so bad. And by the way, now it's not
even like because it was Castro then it was his brother.
You Okay, you're trying, you're something, you're inti Castro. Yeah,
now now who's this guy? I didn't even know the name.

(19:09):
I was gonna have to look it up. Who's what
is he doing? And you know, yeah, and you know what,
for a second, I need to see this from the
other angle, which is the economist, Like don't you think
Cubans are missing like other stuff you should be reporting about?
Like well, the economist, I'm sure? Or is it? Yeah?

(19:33):
Like is it that they every single day they have
to report on something Cubans are missing? That today is
girling like deodorant in the London offices of the economists.
They love this and like how about the silly Cubans
and garlic? Now? Can you believe it? Their favorite food?
And it's like, hey, drow me a product corn? Okay,

(19:54):
let me write and since when? And since when girling?
Like the favorite food? Like is Cuban food like anything?
Who would know more than the economist. By the way,
I'll give you one guess what the illustration of the
photo for the economist is. Guess it's an illustration of Cuba.
What picture? Imagine the picture they used? Of course an

(20:20):
old exactly, it's a classical car parts next to another
old and maybe the door of the car is a
different color of than the car. If it wasn't for
old cars, you would never see photographs of Cuba. Have
you ever seen a photo of Cuba that didn't have

(20:40):
an old car? And what what if we go to
Cuba and they're test lass and this is just one
picture that they've been using for really old years. Yeah, yeah,
I think I think it's that fair fort but like old. Yes,

(21:09):
have you guys heard, by the way about it speaking
of Cuba about Havana syndrome? Has that story made it
to Chile? Did like Americans in Havana? Yeah, I think so.
I think that's the same thing. It's like American diplomats
in Havannah. They complain that they're getting like headaches and stuff,
and they accuse Cuba of firing a sonic weapon at
their uh embassy. And I think most when scientists look

(21:32):
into it, they're like, yeah, I think it might just
be you're going crazy. Um, maybe because you're living in
the embassy in Cuba and everybody's buying on you all
the time and you sort of feel guilty for being there. Yeah,
that's to have any syndrome that sounds like really bullshit,
Like I couldn't why would I think I think we

(21:52):
need to step a little, like take a step back
and think, like Cubans are having enough trouble. They can't
get garlics. They're not making hypersonic weapons to confuse you.
But like, I mean, can you imagine they may they
make an eper sunny weapon. It will be like a
huge fridge, like a bunch of fridges. So old, this

(22:18):
is awful. You can hear from far we like you.
It wouldn't be like a thing in the sky who
is like saying sunny people alone. And I also heard
during the pandemic that the United States didn't have like
enough ketchup for everyone. Oh really that happened. I was
never aware of a catchup shortage. The one thing that

(22:39):
you can always get you for free. You can just
walk into McDonald's get a they just grab all the
ketchup packets. No, well, during a pandemic, I guess you
couldn't just go into it, or maybe they would just
give you two or something and they did never care.
Oh my god, can you imagine catching nobody cared? Shocking?
There would have been riots in the streets. You would

(22:59):
have heard the catchup ford. It's just so good, so
good like, instead of getting a thousand packets each, we're
only getting fifty and that's like a shortage. Open the
drawer in any house in the United States and you're
gonna find a tiny catchup packet that we have a
too much catch up problem. Absolutely, everyone has too much

(23:22):
catchup and a rifle. The other day someone was talking
to me about this, I mean he was trying to
convince me to go to Costco. He was like, you
have co to Coastcal. You have to go to Coastcool.
And I was like, why why Because you can buy
food and stuff for an army. You can buy like
for free. You can buy crazy, crazy supplies of everything.

(23:45):
And I was like, I don't need. I don't need that.
I don't need that much supplies. I mean, actually I
can go week by week and I'm fine with that.
I don't I don't need. But Americans they really love
this idea of storaging trash for months, and Coastcal is
like the perfect thing for that, Like there's never gonna
if there's a shortage of something, you can go to

(24:06):
Costco and find all the things that you need and
there's still available there. Because if you have so much
of everything, and I do like going to Costco and
just thinking about what what if I just had all
those potato chips just waiting for me, just eight thousand
I just put him somewhere. And you know, the United
States really big. There's a lot of It's not like
Cuba where it's a Chile where it's like only this

(24:27):
wide and there's mountains taking up half of it. There's
lots of space here. Almost everybody has a big trailer
they can just fill with tooth baste for the next
eight years. It's not a problem. Nobody's cramped for space.
And if they are, then it's because they have eight
present sisters, so they need a ton of food at once,
like Costco anyway, So Costco covers your needs no matter what. Yeah. Yeah,

(24:50):
So never going to be a shortage of garlic? What
it was it less? What was it less? Story? No,
I just want to say garlic. Um, I would be
so sad without garlic, guys, could you guys just yeah,
it's fun. If it doesn't have garlic, it's like it's desserts, Like,

(25:10):
what is it if it doesn't have happen It's true,
garlic really does separate dessert from regular food. Because if
it has garlic in it, it is not dessert. You've
never heard of a garlic based dessert because this doesn't happen.
They never sprinkle out over it. Not even the wildest
chef would sprinkle garlic over your chocolate fun daunt or whatever.
There's no like garlic cheesecake, which, now that I said

(25:31):
it kind of sounds actually we'll talk about that. That
could be a million dollars. A savory garlic cheesecake could
be something. Okay. Fourth and final story, guys, they're getting

(25:58):
into the bitcoin game. There's of seeing what has been
doing for El Salvador. So now they've got it. There's
a bitcoin, a t M set up in Uruguay and
a thousand transactions happened in the first day. Everybody's going
and trying to get the bitcoin. Now, see, El Salvador
is one thing, but Uruguay. I think of this kind
of like a cool place that's on the cusp of

(26:18):
the future. Is there? Maybe you know, if Uruguay isn't
on bitcoin, maybe it's time to start thinking about it.
What's going on stresses me out. It stresses me out,
Like I've been saying Bitcoin sucks, and nobody should do it,
and it's silly and it's just invented money. And now
like Uruguay is doing it, Like did I I lost?

(26:41):
Like I missed out. I feel the same. I feel
the same. The other day I was paid with ether
real being paid with any bitcoin? Do you guys, how
do you do to me? That sounds like a really
old drug drug from the nineties. Yeah, it's like a
drug that may be it still goes around in Cuba

(27:03):
in lieu of garlic. You have to put ether on
your chicken. Okay, what did you get paid in ether for?
And how? How? And what? How do you know you
got paid? Are you sure you got it? Can you
show it to God? Did you sell your kids? Did
you sell your kids? The Silk Road? Is this website
called the Silk Road? No? This is this is a
I mean, this guy is like in the n f

(27:23):
T world. He asked me for a favor, I promote
one thing and he paid me in either And I
was like, okay, so how it works. And it's very complicated.
It's very hard to get your money out of the internet.
It's it's I was thinking, like went right away, my
mind went to my son's nanny from El Salvador that

(27:48):
her country was taking over by this. I was like,
this is a nightmare. How she can get anything done
during the day if you have to. You know, the
zero point serio series serio four point serio ether means
that if you don't look mask face and you put
it in like your digital wallet called gig folk, you
can transmit it to a satellite that if that satellite

(28:11):
is on, they will send twenty bucks to an a
t M in the next four days. It's a nightmare.
It's it's a nightmare, and you really have to know
a little bit. I mean, I was like watching um
due to the tutorials. At the same time, you know,
it's like just for five hours, just pay me in garlic. Garlic,

(28:36):
Well that was the kind of spice. That might be
what it requires solving here, because if there's an a
t M, then you can just go and get it out.
Although reading this article and hearing about people putting money
in and then I don't know if you can ever
get it out. I think this is the Internet is
sort of Once something goes into the Internet, it stays there.
It's there forever. You can't turn that into actual money,
no way no, No, the bitcoin, the bitcoin a t

(28:59):
M is probably just like it gives you back like
a chip or something like a I mean to be honest,
like makes that makes you feel happy exactly honestly. Inside
of that machine, there's a little kid making things. There's

(29:23):
counting the money, handing it to his dog who runs
to the monster and give it to him. Yeah, but
it's exhausting, it's exhaust Like should I like do this
like by bitcoin? Which one where you do this? Take
a sack of cash and go to Uruguay and put
her to the machine and you'll be all set. You'll
have all the money you need inside then whenever you

(29:45):
need it. Yeah, just close your eyes and wish good
luck to the money. Wishful currency. It's you know money,
you know it's about just U will exactly if you
know what money? Like, if somebody gives me some coins

(30:06):
down like this, what am I going to do with this?
Nobody wants this? Like wait for me, it's a carrier out,
you know that. Yeah, but quins would be like so
much better for me, Like even even abstract money is
hard on me, Like no, no, we could go back

(30:26):
to my money in a credit card. It makes me
feel like it's never ending. It's just like because I
don't see the number, so it's like just keep going,
keep going like the cloud. If then if my money
is not ever physical, I will I will think I'm
a billionaire. I'm a billion that. It's just like this.

(30:49):
You know who had this figured out was Scrooge McDuck.
You know he was He had his money in a pool.
He knew where it was, he could swim in it.
It was useful. He didn't need to go to pocon
he could just go to his money pool and have
a nice flash. I mean, I always when I watched
that thing, He's like, that must be so painful, the
strength he's But he's an old man, he said, you

(31:13):
know man's and it's feathers at its feathers. He's like, like,
it's no money and feathers old feathers. Yeah, if you
if you lose feathers, if you get a coin and
it's got some feathers sticking to it, then you know
at some point Scrooge paid somebody and then they paid
you and that's how you got it. Well, guys, I
think there's been another amazing episode of four from the South.

(31:36):
We covered Sarah Castillo National Park. Don't go there, stop
stick to Cleveland. We covered um, the Djokovic and the
Iron Man, the destroyed Pocan, We covered the garlic in Cuba.
Economist made up crisis and we covered it worguy Bitcoin
a t M situation. I think that's a pretty good

(31:58):
round up. What do you guys think? I think, Yeah, guys,
another terrific episode of the premier English language podcast about
Latin America. Thank you for joining us here on four
from the South. We'll see you next time. Bye bye.
Four from the South is hosted by Me, Steve Healey,
and Fabrizio Capano. Robert O'Shaughnessy is our producer. Original theme

(32:19):
song by Amy Stolsenbach. Four from the South is a
production of Exile Content Studio in partnership with I Heart
Radio is Michael Toura podcast network. For more podcasts from
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