May 7, 2025 • 38 mins
"The Handmaid's Tale" is in its final season, and star, Ever Carradine, joins Jennie for a vast conversation that goes back to their sweaty yoga days!
From her thoughts on being labeled a "nepo baby" to how she handles the haters in her online comments, Ever is opening up and talking about how she combats the negative noise and keeps herself grounded. Is art imitating life, and we're living in an anti-feminist time in history? The women discuss!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garth. Hi, everyone,
welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about
the choices we make and where they lead us. My
guest today is known for our role on one of
my favorite TV shows that is in its final season,
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and I cannot wait to talk to her about feminism,
about being a mom, and how she finds ways to
choose herself even when she's filming The Handmaid's Tale. You
can catch new episodes of The Handmaid's Tale by the way,
Tuesday nights on Hulu. Please welcome ever Carrodane to the podcast.
First of all, we we know each other.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
We used to do yoga together.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Okay, thank you? Where on Venture Boulevard?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yes, I did a movie with Peter right?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
What movie? Uh? You know?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It never came out. It was called rope Walk and
it got sort of stuck in litigation, but we filmed
it on Nantucket and then remember home. My husband now
my husband, but my then boyfriend and I would go
down to yoga and one day we walked in and
there were you and Peter, who also did couples yoga
with Jenni Brill.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Jenny Brill, that's right. Where is Jenny Brill now?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Jennie Brill is still teaching yoga?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Oh my god, I miss her energy.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I don't you, purple hair. I run into her every
now and then if I'm down in Studio City, I
might catch her getting like a macha or something exactly
the same.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Oh, I'm so glad you remember, because I was racking
my mind last night trying to remember.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah. No, I'm like an elephant with stuff like that.
It just goes somewhere, it doesn't come out good.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Wait, that was your fiance then or just your boyfriend
when you went here?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think he was just my boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Then did your boyfriend take his shirt off at yoga?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
No? Peter did, though, I'm really glad.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Do you remember that too? Oh my god. He would
take his shirt off and he was so sweaty every time.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And remember Jenny was into like partner stuff, and I
was like, I don't don't, I don't want to do
Peter Kobe.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Don't let me touch him. That's how I felt, too.
All good. He was really good at yoha.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It might have been the only shirt fore yoga.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Absolutely, except for did you ever see Thomas Tom Tom?
Tom Tom? What's his name.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
He was on Yes Melo's Place, Melroe's Place. He played
the doctor, Doctor Tom.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
He was also went to yoga there and was a
yoga instructor and also always shirtless.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, it was a look, it was a vibe.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I remember one times, Oh my god, I remember one
time in a yoga class, Peter just sweat profusely and
he didn't bring a towel, but he thought he did,
and he reached back and took the neighbor ladies towel
on the yoga mat next to him, and he like
wiped off all his sweat on it. And then she
was like, excuse me, that's my towel, and he goes, oh,
(03:09):
here you go. You know actor, Oh bless art that
we laugh about that stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Oh my gosh, you've had such a good good time
though in this industry. We're gonna talk about Handmaid's Tale
because I'm obsessed with it. But at first I want
to start off where pretty much everybody seems to start off.
You came from a famous family of actors, which for
me is so fascinating because it's so different than the
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life I grew up in. I think your perspective is
much more similar to probably my daughters, being that they
were born and bred in la and they spent so
much time on sets and so did you, and it's
just normal for them, and I'm sure it was just
normal for you.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Completely. Where are you from.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I'm from Illinois, from the Midwest.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
And you came out here and look at you. Look
what you did. Let me go, it's amazing. I mean, yeah,
I think that kids don't listen. Also, like I grew
up before social media and before Instagram, you know what
I mean. Like you had to sort of know who
my family was. You had to go to the movies
or watch television. It wasn't sort of like is in
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your face as it is now. But no, kids don't kids.
I think their parents are their parents, like you know.
Aside from a few perks of the of my dad's job,
it was a very normal childhood for me. I didn't
feel it's probably a lot like your kids. It was not.
It was not a big deal. And also my dad's
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father was an actor, so I'm now third generation, so
he you know, worked the kinks out and I.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, that's nice. That's so nice that you had that
sort of access to the industry and that sort of
like like preconditioning almost totally, and like you were important.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Like child actors might have is that when they grow
up on set, like being on set feels very at
home to them. It feels very normal. They know to
go to craft service for a snack. They know if
they got to stain on their sweatshirt that someone in
the costume department will give them a new one. Like
those are things that I learned, but not by being
a child actor, just by sort of like being on set.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, my kids loved it, and I think it's so
cool because they did get exposed to a lot of
different kinds of people, people who work hard for a living,
and it made them really appreciate I think, what I
do and what their dad does.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Retally, And don't you feel like you can have a
conversation with anyone? Like to me, the crew is so diverse,
and so they're from everywhere and some of them are
specific artists and some of them are carpenters, and some
of them are gear heads or whatever, And like my
nature is to be inquisitive and like I can have
a conversation with anybody, and I know that that comes
(05:57):
from a life on set and genuine curious help.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, definitely. I love that about them too, that they're
just not afraid to talk to other adults, which is
so cool. But I do think it's really cool also
that even though you had this availability to the industry
right there for you, you chose to go to college
and figure your shit out on your own. I did
do you think back on that time when you went
(06:21):
away to college? Do you remember it fondly or like,
were you scared because you moved away? Right?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I moved? Yeah. So I'm born and raised in Los Angeles.
I was raised by my dad, so it's just the
two of us growing up. I had a wonderful childhood.
I rode horses. I went to a lovely private school.
I had a really good friends. I didn't have, you know,
those nightmare high school years. Like, I had a pretty
It all went pretty pretty according to plan. And then
when I went to when I was applying to college,
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my dad was like, you want to go to college? Yes,
So I went to college in Portland, Oregon, And you know,
Portland in the late nineties was like the height of grin.
It was a really cool place to be, Like Nirvana
was like at the top of their game, like singles
had come out. You know, it was just a very
cool It was a really cool city. And my dad
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had spent some time there and he was like, go
to Portland. He's like, it's a great place to sort
of like practice being an adult. And so that was
a little how I went into college and then I
was a sociology anthropology major, and then I did a play.
And after I did a play, I was like, oh,
that was really fun. If I could do that for
a job, Like if someone paid me to do that
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as a job, Like, how lucky would I be? And
you know, I was right. So I swapped majors to
theater and the rest is history. That sounds like a
cheesy way to say it, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But it's true.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Have you been back to Portland lately.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's definitely changed. Yeah, I've been back a few times.
I've been back sort of at its peak, which is,
you know, it really cleaned up in the Pearl District
and Pala's bookstore. Everything got so much bigger and better
and now it's going through a little bit of a transition.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
But I'll come back though. It's so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It's so beautiful. It's such a good food scene, it's
such a good beer scene, it's such good coffee. Like,
there's so much about that Portland has to offer. So
I just need her to get back on her feet again.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah. Do you think you felt any kind of pressure
from just because of your family lineage, like, yeah, to
like live up to their level of success or something
like that. Do you ever feel that pressure?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
You know? I don't think I do. And I always say,
you know, people talk about like what do they say
Napo babies or this sort of stuff, And I always
felt at the time, and I still feel upon reflecting
at the beginning of my career that like I was
treated with a level of respect in auditions or in
a room that I hadn't quite earned yet. But what
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hell lucky was I to have that? Do you know
what I mean? I have the feeling of like, oh,
you respect me and you're listening to me at such
a tender age, because that since that was the norm,
that was what I then required respect.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yes, yeah, I like that though, yeah you should, you should, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
One hundred percent, But you know, a twenty two year
old might not totally feel that yet. Might not used
to that.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Right, and it's there is certainly something to the fact
of earning it and you know.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Completely looking for it, absolutely absolutely, But.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Which you've done, I.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Don't feel like, you know, I don't feel like I
was expected to. I mean, I guess the one thing
I feel like I need to do is a Western.
Like my family is so like cowboys, like and people
keep asking what my next project is, and I'm like,
God willing it's a Western, Like I show up at
work and get on a horse. Wouldn't that be the dream? Oh?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Okay, that's especially a dream.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It's the dream.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I did a movie where I was riding a horse.
I was like a saving my parents ranch or something,
and and I was I just found out, like the
day before that I had a baby inside of my
belly and I was like, oh my gosh, should I
be riding this horse? And I can't tell anyone, But
(10:20):
that's the closest I ever got to a Western, and
I really want to do one too.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, wouldn't it be fun?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Definitely? You said before net Bo baby. Let's talk about
that term, because I'm sure you've heard it. I'm sure
people have thrown it around for you. I've heard it
regarding my kids, Like, how do you feel about it? Like,
what are your feelings about netbo baby stupid?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I just like it's so dumb, it's such a like
it's it's the negative connotations to it are so stupid.
Like for me, I always felt like, what how great
my dad and family felt that, Like I watched their
careers and then I chose to do the same thing.
I think it's a lot like my daughter's orthodontist who
(11:04):
inherited his practice from his father, who is an orthodontist. Like,
I think it's cool. I think it's cool to do
the same thing that your parents.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
It is like, come on, I wish I mean, I
wish I could do that. That sounds like fun, right
unless your remember and I'm just fully having a moment
where I was watching White Lotus. Did you watch it? Yeah,
unless you're Schwartzenegger's his dad, you don't want to go
into the same business as him. No, he was following
(11:33):
in his father's footsteps, right.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Was he like a hedge fun guy?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I don't even something big money, I don't know, you.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Know what, Saxon's gonna be fine.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
He was so good in that anyway. Yeah, I don't
have a problem with anybody using the term NAPA baby.
I've certainly never been had to use for me, which
I wanted to have a use for me, but I
never got that chance. But for my girls, I'm like,
you know what, it's really really hard to break in
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to any business, any field, any career, and if you
have somebody that has a foot in the door, take it.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, you tell me. I got my first agent because
his daughter was in my class in college and he
came and saw a play that we were both in
and said, when you come back to Los Angeles, give
me a call. And I went in and I auditioned
for him and they signed me. And you know, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
You never you don't know, that's the thing. But you
know you have talent. The world knows you have talent,
that's for sure, and so who really cares.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
But it's stupid, It's so stupid. So I guess I'll
be a proud NEPO baby, But like, don't I don't
know how much it helped me.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
When your kids are how old are they?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
My son is nine and my daughter is fourteen.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You're ready for a teenager?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It's on right, it's on. It's like a donkey though.
I will say like thirteen was sort of the bumpier
ride because she's really went for being like a kid too.
Then you know, a teenage girl and on her way
to being an adult. But no, fourteen, we're sort of
forgetting our bearings. She's awesome. He's a great student, great kid,
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great big sister.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah. And then my little dude just wants to play baseball.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
He's into baseball.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
All we do. He's on travel team and a wrec team.
All we do is go to baseball.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You're a baseball mom.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I'm such a baseball mom.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I was a soccer mom. I don't know soccer mom
has a bad rap. I don't know baseball mom.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Soccer is too stressful for me. It's so much yelling.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Right, Oh gosh, hopefully it's not the mom doing it
that gets you in trouble. I wouldn't know, But.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Now I don't have any negative connotations to soccer moms thing.
You got to bring your own chair.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
The chairs and the blankets and the snacks scraps.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I can't with the snacks.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
And it's an all day thing, like you're out there
all day.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Or you're in like Temecula or.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Something and the dust blowing, it's fun. I'm just let's
just say, I'm happy those years are over for my daughters.
But yeah, like you said before, kids don't they're so humbling.
They don't care if their mama's famous or a truck driver.
They just want their food.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
They just want a good snack.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Do you ever find yourself embarrassing, especially your daughter at
this age? Like you all the time, all the time,
right when you breathe my basis.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I'm loud. I don't really care what people think. I
don't care like you know, I just this is who
I am, and it is at fourteen. It's really like
the opposite of what you want. We were in Toronto
and we went to see Taylor Swift. We went to
the Aras tour and a bunch of my cast mirror
and we got to go. We were like in the
area with Mama Swift and it was like dream come true.
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And I danced and sang my ass off and she
was like, oh.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I love that. Yeah, I've had that phase with my daughters.
But the last time when we went to see Taylor Swift,
Fiona and I flew to Miami, I think with her
friend to see it, and we all just danced to
have the best time. They didn't.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yes, wasn't the best night ever?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Best night ever? I know it was as if because
I'm sure you were a Madonna fan when you were
growing up.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
But I never saw her in concert me either, No, no.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And I didn't see her when she did this tour.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Neither did I.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I missed it. It like it came and then it
went away and then it came back and I missed it.
I know.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
The best was like my we were all we were
in Toronto and my family came to visit because we
were shooting over Thanksgiving, and you know how it is,
you never know what your schedule is going to be.
So I was like, you guys, have the week off school,
come to Toronto, will bag you as Thanksgiving and we'll
go to Taylor Swift. Get the tickets to Taylor Swift.
And my husband I was like, I don't know, three
and a half I like Taylor, but three and a
(15:45):
half hours, like you can do it. Cut to We're
at the Ara's tour and within ten minutes, Kobe has
like his hands in a heart above his head he's
making he's taking selfies, the tailor behind him dancing like
oh also, so all in the amassive boy that she
is able to generate with a collective group of people
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is like, just it's.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Just a good time? Is such a good good time?
Do you think your kids, or one of them at least,
will go into the biz?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I don't think so. Are yours or any of yours?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Maybe not really, They're all creatives for sure. Yeah, my
eighteen year old is thinking about it. Yeah, so yeah,
but she's eighteen now, so I've held her off this long.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah. No, that's great. No, my daughter, I don't believe
this is what. No, I don't think so. And then
my son is cheeky and hammy, but he really you know,
and I support this if he believes it. He thinks
he goes from high school to the miners to the
major league, And I'm like, you know what, buddy, do
it work for that?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Love to have a professional baseball player as his son.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
So that would be so fun.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It'd be so fun.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
What kind of conversation are you having with your kids
around like the state of the world right now? I mean,
it's impossible to shield them from the news these days,
like what do you do in your house to keep
them protected?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I mean it's so hard, right because you want them
to be protected, but you also want to, like you
want them to understand what's happening. So I mean, they
know I am a big voter. I am a part
of an organization called Vote Mama, And what we do
is we raise funds to get mothers elected from everything
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from school board to Senate because a lot of times
when mothers are finally able to run for office, their
kids are out of the house. So what Mama does
is try to help support these women to get them
in office. Well, the things that you're juggling, like the
things that you're thinking about with the four year old,
you're able to then bring into policy, so they know
voting is important. We always vote together. When was overturned,
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we had a long talk about you know, my body,
my choice, and nobody should be able to tell me
what to do about it. And you know, I think
we talk about everything.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
My son.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I guess I shield him a little bit more, but
I don't know, talk and listen. You know, kids ask
the darkest things.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Right, I mean, yeah, and they know so much, so much,
and they're exposed to so much. Like there's something inside
of me that's so sad about it because you and
I grew up in such a different time.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I know, my daughter goes to a girls' school, and
so what I do love about that is she's definitely
getting a very strong foundation of female friendships, speaking up
in class, and doing all the things that she should
be able to do at fourteen that sometimes get a little,
you know, hampered by cute fourteen year old boys in
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the same classroom.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, you're telling me, I know. Feeling I just feel
like it's my daughter goes to co ed school and
there's just so much drama and not enough learning.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
So it is nice like that's the one piece of
the drama, and she wanted to go to this school,
so that is the one piece of drama that she
was able to kind of eliminate from her student Christol experience.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah great, Yeah, I mean, even just speaking about it
feels like oddly we're kind of in this anti feminist
sort of weird time and history right now, like Tradwives
and the road Wade and it's what bananas It's yeah,
it's all the fruits combined with a banana and like
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I'm on The Handmaid's Tale.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Do you know what I mean? Like, this is not
what I always say about the show. Is like being
on set. I look around and nobody's happy in a dictatorship,
Like nobody in Gilead is happy.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Like nobody.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I promise you all, this is not the future or
that we want forced birds, it's not the it's not
what we want. Guys. It's not good, it's not end well.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
No, Yeah, you're like a woman who supports women, and
it sounds like your daughter's off to a really great
start of understanding the importance of that. I don't think
I understood that as a young girl woman. Yeah, I
mean well in the industry.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, And I think it's great for her little brother
to see, you know, he idolizes her, even though he
thinks that he doesn't, he does.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I devoured the book Handmaid's Tale?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
When did you read it.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Before the show came out? Which I was so happy
about because then I had a better understanding what was happening. Yeah,
on the show, and I've watched it since season one, Yes,
and I'm really sad this is the final season.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Can you believe it? Well? The thing that people don't
often remembers, like when we started the show, Obama was
still president.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
That remember those things. I remember those days.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, Obama was still president. So after Trump was elected,
I was in Toronto and my pink hat marching with
the good people of Canada, great people we were. I
had another Trump victory while I was in Toronto.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
So yeah, that's quite interesting. It's been quite a ride,
such a journey. Six season. I feel like I had
to wait forever for the season to come.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Out though, because it was a sag after strike, and
then some babies were born and so we just needed
a second and you know, it's always cold and gilliad also,
so you had to wait for it to be fall
before we could all go back to work.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
What's been your favorite thing about developing your character?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
You play Naomi nam but now Naomi Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yes, okay, how did that happen? Wait?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
How did I Naomi? Yes? I was like, how did
I get my auditioned? No? Auditioned A long long time ago. No.
Naomi's husband what's his name? Warren, played by Stephen Conkin,
was murdered or executed in five by Max Miguela and
(22:14):
Bradley Whitford.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Then he's such a bad guy, I know.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
And then at the end of season five, aunt Lydia
sort of suggests that Naomi should marry Lawrence because we
can keep each other safe. Because Lawrence's wife, Ellen Moore,
had also died, but she died she wasn't executed, so
that's how that happened. It's an arranged marriage.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Arranged marriage. Does Naomi like him?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I mean, I think Naomi likes power. I don't know
if you're caught up, but I'm not caught up. Okay,
she tries, she's trying her best. You know, Naomi is
as she's not quite as easy going as I am.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
No, true, true, She's kind of a people's business, like
she likes the she's just.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
A busy body. Like what I always say is like
she's very present, do you know what I mean. Like
she's like a little gnat, Like she's just kind of
taking it all in and very reactive to the moment
at hand. But like she doesn't really hold a grudge.
She's a little like a toddler in that way. Like
remember toddlers would like have a fit and you'd get
yell at you'd yell at them, and then two seconds
later they were like, can I have a string cheese?
(23:24):
Like there's no sort of like registering that that the
tantrum just happened. So I always say she's a little toddlery.
She's a little like Nelly Olsen from Oh My God.
Perfect comparison right with the ring it's so ringless. I
know she if she that's probably what she wore as
a girl. Oh yeah, little curls.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Little curls. What's been your favorite part of filming a
show like this? I mean, what an honor to be
able to bring this story to life.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I can't even like I can't even believe I get
to be on the show, Like I can't. I just
you know, this is like we're we're like we're in
a circus, Like we go from one gig to the next,
and summer for money and some are for art, and
you know, you sort of you piece me all this
thing together. And when I first read this show, I
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read for a different role, which I didn't get, and
I was heartbroken because it was like the best pilot
I'd ever read. And then not soon after I was
I read for Naomi and I got the job, and
I really felt like people joke about this, but I
was like, I'll do anything like whatever you want me
to do on the show, Like I just I just
want to be there. And I got to work and
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I had never seen you know, we shoot on the
actual location a lot, so it's very immersive. Like the
house was this giant, like twenty million dollar mansion in
the middle of a really posh area of Toronto, and
I just like everywhere I looked was like a handmaid
or a guy with a gun or something like. It
also makes your job a lot easier when it's that
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immers and I don't know, I really believe in like
speaking up for people's rights and speaking up for injustices
and just saying the thing when you can say the thing,
and being a part of this show has definitely like
turned the volume up on my voice, and that is
not that's it's appreciated. I love that aspect about it
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because also so much of being an actor is like
self serving. You know, it's fun job, Like look what
I get to do for a living, and so that
part of it really feels like it's like a cherry
on top of an already delicious Sunday.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
When you say you get to use your voice now
what does that mean for you?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It means, you know, I can use an image from
The Handmaid's Tale, and then I can use an image
of children being separated from their parents at the border.
And I think that people will a lot of people
react and tell me I'm dramatic in a lib playing
and all these aws and and other people really see it,
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and they run with that and they feel inspired to
also say something and yeah, I don't know where this
world is in a really tricky spot. And I think
that this show is a lot of things. It's beautiful,
it's creative, everybody's really good on it. The director's incredible,
the writing is top notch. But it's also like a
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warning shot to open your eyes and pay attention to
the things that are happening around you. You know, there's
a great, a great quote which is like, even in
a slowly heating bathtub, you will eventually boil to death.
And that's like the heats up. I botched that quote
a little bit, but you get it.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
No, I got it.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, that's good. Yeah that Margaret out with baby, Oh yeah,
that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Wow when you get that backlash, Yeah, from speaking of
what happens to you a few things.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Well, I don't really care, Like personally, I don't. I
don't give a shit to a shoot crap good, right,
But I have to like resist the temptation to like
say snarky things back if it's on the Internet. And
sometimes I do it and sometimes I don't. I don't
generally block people because I'm like, you know whatever, if
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you guys want to duke it out here, duke it out.
Sometimes I'll maybe take a screenshot of a really horrible
comment and put it in my Instagram stories and be like,
this is what people are saying everybody. I guess that
would be shaming. Maybe I shame the haters, but you know,
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first and foremost, like I don't, I'm rubber your glue.
Do you know what I mean? I know well enough
to not to.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Not Wait, what's the whole expression.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I'm rubber your glue. Whatever you say bounces off me
and sticks to you.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Oh that's that. Oh my god, I'm glad you clarify that.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I know, Thank you, Margaret. You've done a lot of
the things, but not that or what is it like
point a finger of me to point back at me,
like the whole the whole thing, like look, in the mirror, dude,
I don't know, it's.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
So so true, but you know when I see things
like that, Yeah, how do you read like people are
so quick to be cruel and the people that are.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Cruel have you ever noticed they're always like at MoMA
three with puppies, or like at Mama stay mama, or
these are made up names everybody, But yeah, there are
always people that are like light love in the Lord
that come at you and just call the most vile,
insane names. That's been my experience anyway.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, for sure, I'm sure like just your cast in
general gets so much. I think because of the content.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
People get a lot of it. And I also get
a like, you're you know what, You're an actress, stay
out of politics, And I'm like, what are talking about?
I'm an American and I'm a woman, Like I'm just
as much as right to say something as every single
other person on this planet.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
But there is interesting how they put you into that
category though.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Right, Yeah, oh, stain your lane, Like speaking by lane.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
There's no lanes anymore?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
What lane? What's the lane?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I know? But at the same time, I feel like
we're regressing having lanes again.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I know, we really are, and that's why it's so important.
I love that you have three daughters who I'm sure
use their voices whenever they can. Like it's just like, ugh.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
That's a good sound effect, very much. You should really
do some yeah voiceover work. Maybe I don't know. Well, okay,
So when you're doing a show like Can't Maid's Tale
and you're you're talking about such heavy stuff every day
and the environment is oppressive in the in the context
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of what you're what you're doing, the scenes, acting, whatever,
how does that feel to you at the end of
a work day.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
It's yeah, I mean, here's the thing. This set is
not doesn't feel oppressive like the scenes do. And the
scenes are real, and I think that, you know, everyone
would agree that everybody on this show takes the work seriously,
but not themselves. Do you know what I mean? There's
levin he there's joy, there's laughter. I work with Bradley Whitford,
who like always keeps me laughing, which is such a
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gift because sounds counterintuitive. But like to play Naomi and
to play that uptight, I kind of do need to
be relaxed, you know what I mean, Like, if ever
is uptight, then Naomi's gonna be. I don't know what
she's gonna be, but you know, uh, there have been
a lot of days with like a nice stiff drink
at the hotel bar. A walk in the fold in
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Toronto goes a long way to decompress.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
You walk along. Oh, you're in.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Toronto, Toronto. And the thing about this show also is
like there have been so many markers on this show.
Like I was there when Trump was elected. I was
there when Ukraine was invaded. I was there when Roe
was overturned. I always say I landed at Toronto Pearson
and by the time I got to my hotel room,
my son had more rights than my daughter. Biden was elected,
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I was here, I was there for much of COVID,
and then I was there for another Trump election. So
there have been a lot of markers. And after the
election this year, I was alone and I actually went
to work. I didn't have to work that day, and
I was texting A. Vaughan and whoever else was on set,
and it was understandably like a really hard dark day,
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and I just went to work to be around my people.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, that's good that you've all had those experiences together, though,
and such a bond. I'm sure it's great.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's a really sorry that made me like choked up,
it's a really It's a genuinly lovely group of people, truly,
and they're all as kind as they are talented.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I find myself in positions where people are always saying,
do you have anything for this auction? Do you have
any memorabilia? Did you steal anything from the set? Do
you have anything of Kelly Taylor's that you could we
could have or photograph or whatever? Did you have you
taken anything from the set?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Oh my god, So here's the like, I'm such a
like good girl. I didn't take it. I realized I
should have at the time, and then the person who
was to send it to me, I was like, can
you just ask forgiveness, not permission? You just put it
in the mail. So it's coming. And I have one
of Naomi's, you know, her capes like what we wear
outside when it was and like my favorite outfit, and
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then some Naomi. I always liked her in really really
really tall heels because I just like her to feel
kind of like bony and towering over people, like it
just sort of has to a picture to me. So
I have a pair of her very very high shoes
as well. Did I take anything else? I don't think
I did.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Maybe I don't think.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I have anything else I should have twenty twenty right,
it really is. But Maddie, who plays my Handmaid, she
took her, she wrapped and just stuffed her red dress
right in her backpack and her bonnet and her eye
patch and got on a plane home.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Good for her, I know.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I was like, Maddie, I should have done that, But no,
mine's coming good.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
I'm so good.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So if I'm Naomi Putnam for Halloween, that's why I have.
I have my crossing ready, keep.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
It forever, Keep it forever. They're going to do a sequel, right.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Well, they're doing. I'm not You should read that The Testaments,
which is her the testing Margarett would follow up to
The Handmaid's Tail. Oh, I got to read it follows
aunt Lydia. So I don't want to spoil anything.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I don't know, but I don't know. I can't Lydia.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I don't like her, but you need to talk to
a Dowd. And Dowd is like the best person in
the whole wide world. I'm sure absolute Lou greatest, the
great It's so funny, be good, so like living is
so intense, and then they all cut. She's like, how's
Kobe Darling? Like what She's just she's so yummy. I
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love her. I love her.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Oh, I'm just I'm so happy for you and your
career's longevity, and you know, rooting for you for what's next.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I mean, thank you. I'll look back and you're like,
how am I? I don't know how? I'm fifty and
I'm like, when did that happen?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
That's right, you're in the fifty club.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I can get in the fifty club. I for myself
a nice big birthday party, but.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, good for you, fifty, good for you?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Doesn't feel like fifty. I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
No, how did this happen?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Don't know?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well, I just I follow you. I'll follow you. I'll
continue watching and supporting you always.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Oh it's quite a right. I'm excited for you to
see how this season shakes out, because they're right to
me too. Did stick the landing? I think?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Good? Perfect? Okay? Before I let you go? Ever, Carrodane,
what was your last I choose me moment?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I've been thinking about this a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Good and I have two on me.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
My I choose me is my garden. I don't have
a gardener. I do our gardening. I do our planting.
I do our trimming, and so like, if I find
myself sort of in the La crazies or spinning, I
will just put my gardening gloves on and my clogs
and prune and weed and we have sort of like
a little English garden and I'm proud of it and
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I love how it makes me feel. The other day
I did it barefoot. I was like, maybe that'll be
like grounding. Maybe that's like yeah thing or something like that.
And then the other thing I did I sort of
was it's so funny when someone's like, what's your choose
me and you're like, I don't know. I have kids,
I choose them.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
A lot of people say.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
But at the end of twenty twenty three, I sort of,
you know, everyone on social media posts like these are
the books I read this year and Obama's list, and
I'm like Obama at fifty five books, Like what am
I doing with my time? So at the beginning of
twenty four I started a book group and the goal
was a book a month, and the book group is
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kicking ass, and it's this incredible group of like it's
like ten to fifteen of us. We meet every month
and we read a book or two a month and
it's totally awesome and it is a non negotiable. I
have book group on the first Wednesday of every month period.
End of story.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
That's my I love that. Who's in your book group?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Who's in my book group? But there's a lot of
people in my book. Girl you might know as Meredith
Salinger is in my book group, meredithal And then a
lot of moms who I've met over the years, either
through preschool or school. And then some other women in
the book group brought in a friend and we all
just sort of mesh, great, it's been really it's I
highly recommend a book.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
What book are you reading right now? Then?
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Currently we are reading two books because we're we're like that, I.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Know, we're reading over Achievers. I know.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
We just read East of et In, So we're sort
of revisiting some classics, which if you haven't read, I really.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
It's been a million it's really good.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
We read it during the fires and it's really a
love letter to California. We're reading House of mirth. And
then we're reading a collection of essays by a friend
called Mothers and Other Fictional Characters, which is also wonderful.
And I know the author, Nicole, and so she's going
to zoom in at our next book group and we're
all going to get to kind of chat with her
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about her memoir.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Oh that's exciting, fun, right, it's fun. I love it
that you did that. I heard that if you read
a book for even twenty minutes a day, it has
such significant help of your mental health.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Absolutely, and like you know a lot of us, I
feel like, and I say this with no judgment, like
end of the day, I'd be sitting on the chair
looking at my.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Phone and I was like scrolling.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Oh, but I want my kids to see me doing
so I really make an effort to just at the
end of the day for fifteen minutes or chapter and
just sit out there and then if they need something,
they come out when they find me, I have a
book in my hand and my phone.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I love that. You just inspired me. Thank you. I'm
going to pick up a book instead of my phone
today when I have it like ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Do it do you want? Do you need a book? Recommend.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Uh No, I'm behind.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
You like I have plenty. I know that's how my
qistand is. I don't know. I'm a capacity.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
No more book, no more room in the book in Yeah,
but thank you so much for being on and I
know everybody's going to just love our chat.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Oh, thank you, thank you so much for having me.
We'll see you all right, take care of R bye,
Danny Biever
You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garth. Hi, everyone,
welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about
the choices we make and where they lead us. My
guest today is known for our role on one of
my favorite TV shows that is in its final season,
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and I cannot wait to talk to her about feminism,
about being a mom, and how she finds ways to
choose herself even when she's filming The Handmaid's Tale. You
can catch new episodes of The Handmaid's Tale by the way,
Tuesday nights on Hulu. Please welcome ever Carrodane to the podcast.
First of all, we we know each other.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
We used to do yoga together.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Okay, thank you? Where on Venture Boulevard?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yes, I did a movie with Peter right?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
What movie? Uh? You know?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It never came out. It was called rope Walk and
it got sort of stuck in litigation, but we filmed
it on Nantucket and then remember home. My husband now
my husband, but my then boyfriend and I would go
down to yoga and one day we walked in and
there were you and Peter, who also did couples yoga
with Jenni Brill.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Jenny Brill, that's right. Where is Jenny Brill now?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Jennie Brill is still teaching yoga?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Oh my god, I miss her energy.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I don't you, purple hair. I run into her every
now and then if I'm down in Studio City, I
might catch her getting like a macha or something exactly
the same.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Oh, I'm so glad you remember, because I was racking
my mind last night trying to remember.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah. No, I'm like an elephant with stuff like that.
It just goes somewhere, it doesn't come out good.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Wait, that was your fiance then or just your boyfriend
when you went here?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think he was just my boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Then did your boyfriend take his shirt off at yoga?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
No? Peter did, though, I'm really glad.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Do you remember that too? Oh my god. He would
take his shirt off and he was so sweaty every time.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And remember Jenny was into like partner stuff, and I
was like, I don't don't, I don't want to do
Peter Kobe.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Don't let me touch him. That's how I felt, too.
All good. He was really good at yoha.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It might have been the only shirt fore yoga.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Absolutely, except for did you ever see Thomas Tom Tom?
Tom Tom? What's his name.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
He was on Yes Melo's Place, Melroe's Place. He played
the doctor, Doctor Tom.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
He was also went to yoga there and was a
yoga instructor and also always shirtless.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, it was a look, it was a vibe.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I remember one times, Oh my god, I remember one
time in a yoga class, Peter just sweat profusely and
he didn't bring a towel, but he thought he did,
and he reached back and took the neighbor ladies towel
on the yoga mat next to him, and he like
wiped off all his sweat on it. And then she
was like, excuse me, that's my towel, and he goes, oh,
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here you go. You know actor, Oh bless art that
we laugh about that stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Oh my gosh, you've had such a good good time
though in this industry. We're gonna talk about Handmaid's Tale
because I'm obsessed with it. But at first I want
to start off where pretty much everybody seems to start off.
You came from a famous family of actors, which for
me is so fascinating because it's so different than the
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life I grew up in. I think your perspective is
much more similar to probably my daughters, being that they
were born and bred in la and they spent so
much time on sets and so did you, and it's
just normal for them, and I'm sure it was just
normal for you.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Completely. Where are you from.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I'm from Illinois, from the Midwest.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
And you came out here and look at you. Look
what you did. Let me go, it's amazing. I mean, yeah,
I think that kids don't listen. Also, like I grew
up before social media and before Instagram, you know what
I mean. Like you had to sort of know who
my family was. You had to go to the movies
or watch television. It wasn't sort of like is in
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your face as it is now. But no, kids don't kids.
I think their parents are their parents, like you know.
Aside from a few perks of the of my dad's job,
it was a very normal childhood for me. I didn't
feel it's probably a lot like your kids. It was not.
It was not a big deal. And also my dad's
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father was an actor, so I'm now third generation, so
he you know, worked the kinks out and I.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, that's nice. That's so nice that you had that
sort of access to the industry and that sort of
like like preconditioning almost totally, and like you were important.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Like child actors might have is that when they grow
up on set, like being on set feels very at
home to them. It feels very normal. They know to
go to craft service for a snack. They know if
they got to stain on their sweatshirt that someone in
the costume department will give them a new one. Like
those are things that I learned, but not by being
a child actor, just by sort of like being on set.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, my kids loved it, and I think it's so
cool because they did get exposed to a lot of
different kinds of people, people who work hard for a living,
and it made them really appreciate I think, what I
do and what their dad does.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Retally, And don't you feel like you can have a
conversation with anyone? Like to me, the crew is so diverse,
and so they're from everywhere and some of them are
specific artists and some of them are carpenters, and some
of them are gear heads or whatever, And like my
nature is to be inquisitive and like I can have
a conversation with anybody, and I know that that comes
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from a life on set and genuine curious help.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, definitely. I love that about them too, that they're
just not afraid to talk to other adults, which is
so cool. But I do think it's really cool also
that even though you had this availability to the industry
right there for you, you chose to go to college
and figure your shit out on your own. I did
do you think back on that time when you went
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away to college? Do you remember it fondly or like,
were you scared because you moved away? Right?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I moved? Yeah. So I'm born and raised in Los Angeles.
I was raised by my dad, so it's just the
two of us growing up. I had a wonderful childhood.
I rode horses. I went to a lovely private school.
I had a really good friends. I didn't have, you know,
those nightmare high school years. Like, I had a pretty
It all went pretty pretty according to plan. And then
when I went to when I was applying to college,
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my dad was like, you want to go to college? Yes,
So I went to college in Portland, Oregon, And you know,
Portland in the late nineties was like the height of grin.
It was a really cool place to be, Like Nirvana
was like at the top of their game, like singles
had come out. You know, it was just a very
cool It was a really cool city. And my dad
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had spent some time there and he was like, go
to Portland. He's like, it's a great place to sort
of like practice being an adult. And so that was
a little how I went into college and then I
was a sociology anthropology major, and then I did a play.
And after I did a play, I was like, oh,
that was really fun. If I could do that for
a job, Like if someone paid me to do that
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as a job, Like, how lucky would I be? And
you know, I was right. So I swapped majors to
theater and the rest is history. That sounds like a
cheesy way to say it, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But it's true.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Have you been back to Portland lately.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's definitely changed. Yeah, I've been back a few times.
I've been back sort of at its peak, which is,
you know, it really cleaned up in the Pearl District
and Pala's bookstore. Everything got so much bigger and better
and now it's going through a little bit of a transition.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
But I'll come back though. It's so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It's so beautiful. It's such a good food scene, it's
such a good beer scene, it's such good coffee. Like,
there's so much about that Portland has to offer. So
I just need her to get back on her feet again.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah. Do you think you felt any kind of pressure
from just because of your family lineage, like, yeah, to
like live up to their level of success or something
like that. Do you ever feel that pressure?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
You know? I don't think I do. And I always say,
you know, people talk about like what do they say
Napo babies or this sort of stuff, And I always
felt at the time, and I still feel upon reflecting
at the beginning of my career that like I was
treated with a level of respect in auditions or in
a room that I hadn't quite earned yet. But what
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hell lucky was I to have that? Do you know
what I mean? I have the feeling of like, oh,
you respect me and you're listening to me at such
a tender age, because that since that was the norm,
that was what I then required respect.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yes, yeah, I like that though, yeah you should, you should, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
One hundred percent, But you know, a twenty two year
old might not totally feel that yet. Might not used
to that.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Right, and it's there is certainly something to the fact
of earning it and you know.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Completely looking for it, absolutely absolutely, But.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Which you've done, I.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Don't feel like, you know, I don't feel like I
was expected to. I mean, I guess the one thing
I feel like I need to do is a Western.
Like my family is so like cowboys, like and people
keep asking what my next project is, and I'm like,
God willing it's a Western, Like I show up at
work and get on a horse. Wouldn't that be the dream? Oh?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Okay, that's especially a dream.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It's the dream.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I did a movie where I was riding a horse.
I was like a saving my parents ranch or something,
and and I was I just found out, like the
day before that I had a baby inside of my
belly and I was like, oh my gosh, should I
be riding this horse? And I can't tell anyone, But
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that's the closest I ever got to a Western, and
I really want to do one too.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, wouldn't it be fun?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Definitely? You said before net Bo baby. Let's talk about
that term, because I'm sure you've heard it. I'm sure
people have thrown it around for you. I've heard it
regarding my kids, Like, how do you feel about it? Like,
what are your feelings about netbo baby stupid?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I just like it's so dumb, it's such a like
it's it's the negative connotations to it are so stupid.
Like for me, I always felt like, what how great
my dad and family felt that, Like I watched their
careers and then I chose to do the same thing.
I think it's a lot like my daughter's orthodontist who
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inherited his practice from his father, who is an orthodontist. Like,
I think it's cool. I think it's cool to do
the same thing that your parents.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
It is like, come on, I wish I mean, I
wish I could do that. That sounds like fun, right
unless your remember and I'm just fully having a moment
where I was watching White Lotus. Did you watch it? Yeah,
unless you're Schwartzenegger's his dad, you don't want to go
into the same business as him. No, he was following
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in his father's footsteps, right.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Was he like a hedge fun guy?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I don't even something big money, I don't know, you.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Know what, Saxon's gonna be fine.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
He was so good in that anyway. Yeah, I don't
have a problem with anybody using the term NAPA baby.
I've certainly never been had to use for me, which
I wanted to have a use for me, but I
never got that chance. But for my girls, I'm like,
you know what, it's really really hard to break in
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to any business, any field, any career, and if you
have somebody that has a foot in the door, take it.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, you tell me. I got my first agent because
his daughter was in my class in college and he
came and saw a play that we were both in
and said, when you come back to Los Angeles, give
me a call. And I went in and I auditioned
for him and they signed me. And you know, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
You never you don't know, that's the thing. But you
know you have talent. The world knows you have talent,
that's for sure, and so who really cares.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
But it's stupid, It's so stupid. So I guess I'll
be a proud NEPO baby, But like, don't I don't
know how much it helped me.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
When your kids are how old are they?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
My son is nine and my daughter is fourteen.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You're ready for a teenager?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It's on right, it's on. It's like a donkey though.
I will say like thirteen was sort of the bumpier
ride because she's really went for being like a kid too.
Then you know, a teenage girl and on her way
to being an adult. But no, fourteen, we're sort of
forgetting our bearings. She's awesome. He's a great student, great kid,
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great big sister.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah. And then my little dude just wants to play baseball.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
He's into baseball.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
All we do. He's on travel team and a wrec team.
All we do is go to baseball.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You're a baseball mom.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I'm such a baseball mom.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I was a soccer mom. I don't know soccer mom
has a bad rap. I don't know baseball mom.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Soccer is too stressful for me. It's so much yelling.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Right, Oh gosh, hopefully it's not the mom doing it
that gets you in trouble. I wouldn't know, But.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Now I don't have any negative connotations to soccer moms thing.
You got to bring your own chair.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
The chairs and the blankets and the snacks scraps.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I can't with the snacks.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
And it's an all day thing, like you're out there
all day.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Or you're in like Temecula or.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Something and the dust blowing, it's fun. I'm just let's
just say, I'm happy those years are over for my daughters.
But yeah, like you said before, kids don't they're so humbling.
They don't care if their mama's famous or a truck driver.
They just want their food.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
They just want a good snack.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Do you ever find yourself embarrassing, especially your daughter at
this age? Like you all the time, all the time,
right when you breathe my basis.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I'm loud. I don't really care what people think. I
don't care like you know, I just this is who
I am, and it is at fourteen. It's really like
the opposite of what you want. We were in Toronto
and we went to see Taylor Swift. We went to
the Aras tour and a bunch of my cast mirror
and we got to go. We were like in the
area with Mama Swift and it was like dream come true.
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And I danced and sang my ass off and she
was like, oh.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I love that. Yeah, I've had that phase with my daughters.
But the last time when we went to see Taylor Swift,
Fiona and I flew to Miami, I think with her
friend to see it, and we all just danced to
have the best time. They didn't.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yes, wasn't the best night ever?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Best night ever? I know it was as if because
I'm sure you were a Madonna fan when you were
growing up.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
But I never saw her in concert me either, No, no.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And I didn't see her when she did this tour.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Neither did I.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I missed it. It like it came and then it
went away and then it came back and I missed it.
I know.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
The best was like my we were all we were
in Toronto and my family came to visit because we
were shooting over Thanksgiving, and you know how it is,
you never know what your schedule is going to be.
So I was like, you guys, have the week off school,
come to Toronto, will bag you as Thanksgiving and we'll
go to Taylor Swift. Get the tickets to Taylor Swift.
And my husband I was like, I don't know, three
and a half I like Taylor, but three and a
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half hours, like you can do it. Cut to We're
at the Ara's tour and within ten minutes, Kobe has
like his hands in a heart above his head he's
making he's taking selfies, the tailor behind him dancing like
oh also, so all in the amassive boy that she
is able to generate with a collective group of people
(16:05):
is like, just it's.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Just a good time? Is such a good good time?
Do you think your kids, or one of them at least,
will go into the biz?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I don't think so. Are yours or any of yours?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Maybe not really, They're all creatives for sure. Yeah, my
eighteen year old is thinking about it. Yeah, so yeah,
but she's eighteen now, so I've held her off this long.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah. No, that's great. No, my daughter, I don't believe
this is what. No, I don't think so. And then
my son is cheeky and hammy, but he really you know,
and I support this if he believes it. He thinks
he goes from high school to the miners to the
major league, And I'm like, you know what, buddy, do
it work for that?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Love to have a professional baseball player as his son.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
So that would be so fun.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It'd be so fun.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
What kind of conversation are you having with your kids
around like the state of the world right now? I mean,
it's impossible to shield them from the news these days,
like what do you do in your house to keep
them protected?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I mean it's so hard, right because you want them
to be protected, but you also want to, like you
want them to understand what's happening. So I mean, they
know I am a big voter. I am a part
of an organization called Vote Mama, And what we do
is we raise funds to get mothers elected from everything
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from school board to Senate because a lot of times
when mothers are finally able to run for office, their
kids are out of the house. So what Mama does
is try to help support these women to get them
in office. Well, the things that you're juggling, like the
things that you're thinking about with the four year old,
you're able to then bring into policy, so they know
voting is important. We always vote together. When was overturned,
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we had a long talk about you know, my body,
my choice, and nobody should be able to tell me
what to do about it. And you know, I think
we talk about everything.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
My son.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I guess I shield him a little bit more, but
I don't know, talk and listen. You know, kids ask
the darkest things.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Right, I mean, yeah, and they know so much, so much,
and they're exposed to so much. Like there's something inside
of me that's so sad about it because you and
I grew up in such a different time.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I know, my daughter goes to a girls' school, and
so what I do love about that is she's definitely
getting a very strong foundation of female friendships, speaking up
in class, and doing all the things that she should
be able to do at fourteen that sometimes get a little,
you know, hampered by cute fourteen year old boys in
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the same classroom.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, you're telling me, I know. Feeling I just feel
like it's my daughter goes to co ed school and
there's just so much drama and not enough learning.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
So it is nice like that's the one piece of
the drama, and she wanted to go to this school,
so that is the one piece of drama that she
was able to kind of eliminate from her student Christol experience.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah great, Yeah, I mean, even just speaking about it
feels like oddly we're kind of in this anti feminist
sort of weird time and history right now, like Tradwives
and the road Wade and it's what bananas It's yeah,
it's all the fruits combined with a banana and like
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I'm on The Handmaid's Tale.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Do you know what I mean? Like, this is not
what I always say about the show. Is like being
on set. I look around and nobody's happy in a dictatorship,
Like nobody in Gilead is happy.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Like nobody.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I promise you all, this is not the future or
that we want forced birds, it's not the it's not
what we want. Guys. It's not good, it's not end well.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
No, Yeah, you're like a woman who supports women, and
it sounds like your daughter's off to a really great
start of understanding the importance of that. I don't think
I understood that as a young girl woman. Yeah, I
mean well in the industry.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, And I think it's great for her little brother
to see, you know, he idolizes her, even though he
thinks that he doesn't, he does.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I devoured the book Handmaid's Tale?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
When did you read it.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Before the show came out? Which I was so happy
about because then I had a better understanding what was happening. Yeah,
on the show, and I've watched it since season one, Yes,
and I'm really sad this is the final season.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Can you believe it? Well? The thing that people don't
often remembers, like when we started the show, Obama was
still president.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
That remember those things. I remember those days.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, Obama was still president. So after Trump was elected,
I was in Toronto and my pink hat marching with
the good people of Canada, great people we were. I
had another Trump victory while I was in Toronto.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
So yeah, that's quite interesting. It's been quite a ride,
such a journey. Six season. I feel like I had
to wait forever for the season to come.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Out though, because it was a sag after strike, and
then some babies were born and so we just needed
a second and you know, it's always cold and gilliad also,
so you had to wait for it to be fall
before we could all go back to work.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
What's been your favorite thing about developing your character?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
You play Naomi nam but now Naomi Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yes, okay, how did that happen? Wait?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
How did I Naomi? Yes? I was like, how did
I get my auditioned? No? Auditioned A long long time ago. No.
Naomi's husband what's his name? Warren, played by Stephen Conkin,
was murdered or executed in five by Max Miguela and
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Bradley Whitford.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Then he's such a bad guy, I know.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
And then at the end of season five, aunt Lydia
sort of suggests that Naomi should marry Lawrence because we
can keep each other safe. Because Lawrence's wife, Ellen Moore,
had also died, but she died she wasn't executed, so
that's how that happened. It's an arranged marriage.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Arranged marriage. Does Naomi like him?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I mean, I think Naomi likes power. I don't know
if you're caught up, but I'm not caught up. Okay,
she tries, she's trying her best. You know, Naomi is
as she's not quite as easy going as I am.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
No, true, true, She's kind of a people's business, like
she likes the she's just.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
A busy body. Like what I always say is like
she's very present, do you know what I mean. Like
she's like a little gnat, Like she's just kind of
taking it all in and very reactive to the moment
at hand. But like she doesn't really hold a grudge.
She's a little like a toddler in that way. Like
remember toddlers would like have a fit and you'd get
yell at you'd yell at them, and then two seconds
later they were like, can I have a string cheese?
(23:24):
Like there's no sort of like registering that that the
tantrum just happened. So I always say she's a little toddlery.
She's a little like Nelly Olsen from Oh My God.
Perfect comparison right with the ring it's so ringless. I
know she if she that's probably what she wore as
a girl. Oh yeah, little curls.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Little curls. What's been your favorite part of filming a
show like this? I mean, what an honor to be
able to bring this story to life.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I can't even like I can't even believe I get
to be on the show, Like I can't. I just
you know, this is like we're we're like we're in
a circus, Like we go from one gig to the next,
and summer for money and some are for art, and
you know, you sort of you piece me all this
thing together. And when I first read this show, I
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read for a different role, which I didn't get, and
I was heartbroken because it was like the best pilot
I'd ever read. And then not soon after I was
I read for Naomi and I got the job, and
I really felt like people joke about this, but I
was like, I'll do anything like whatever you want me
to do on the show, Like I just I just
want to be there. And I got to work and
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I had never seen you know, we shoot on the
actual location a lot, so it's very immersive. Like the
house was this giant, like twenty million dollar mansion in
the middle of a really posh area of Toronto, and
I just like everywhere I looked was like a handmaid
or a guy with a gun or something like. It
also makes your job a lot easier when it's that
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immers and I don't know, I really believe in like
speaking up for people's rights and speaking up for injustices
and just saying the thing when you can say the thing,
and being a part of this show has definitely like
turned the volume up on my voice, and that is
not that's it's appreciated. I love that aspect about it
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because also so much of being an actor is like
self serving. You know, it's fun job, Like look what
I get to do for a living, and so that
part of it really feels like it's like a cherry
on top of an already delicious Sunday.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
When you say you get to use your voice now
what does that mean for you?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It means, you know, I can use an image from
The Handmaid's Tale, and then I can use an image
of children being separated from their parents at the border.
And I think that people will a lot of people
react and tell me I'm dramatic in a lib playing
and all these aws and and other people really see it,
(26:05):
and they run with that and they feel inspired to
also say something and yeah, I don't know where this
world is in a really tricky spot. And I think
that this show is a lot of things. It's beautiful,
it's creative, everybody's really good on it. The director's incredible,
the writing is top notch. But it's also like a
(26:26):
warning shot to open your eyes and pay attention to
the things that are happening around you. You know, there's
a great, a great quote which is like, even in
a slowly heating bathtub, you will eventually boil to death.
And that's like the heats up. I botched that quote
a little bit, but you get it.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
No, I got it.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, that's good. Yeah that Margaret out with baby, Oh yeah,
that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Wow when you get that backlash, Yeah, from speaking of
what happens to you a few things.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Well, I don't really care, Like personally, I don't. I
don't give a shit to a shoot crap good, right,
But I have to like resist the temptation to like
say snarky things back if it's on the Internet. And
sometimes I do it and sometimes I don't. I don't
generally block people because I'm like, you know whatever, if
(27:26):
you guys want to duke it out here, duke it out.
Sometimes I'll maybe take a screenshot of a really horrible
comment and put it in my Instagram stories and be like,
this is what people are saying everybody. I guess that
would be shaming. Maybe I shame the haters, but you know,
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first and foremost, like I don't, I'm rubber your glue.
Do you know what I mean? I know well enough
to not to.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Not Wait, what's the whole expression.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I'm rubber your glue. Whatever you say bounces off me
and sticks to you.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Oh that's that. Oh my god, I'm glad you clarify that.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I know, Thank you, Margaret. You've done a lot of
the things, but not that or what is it like
point a finger of me to point back at me,
like the whole the whole thing, like look, in the mirror, dude,
I don't know, it's.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
So so true, but you know when I see things
like that, Yeah, how do you read like people are
so quick to be cruel and the people that are.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Cruel have you ever noticed they're always like at MoMA
three with puppies, or like at Mama stay mama, or
these are made up names everybody, But yeah, there are
always people that are like light love in the Lord
that come at you and just call the most vile,
insane names. That's been my experience anyway.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, for sure, I'm sure like just your cast in
general gets so much. I think because of the content.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
People get a lot of it. And I also get
a like, you're you know what, You're an actress, stay
out of politics, And I'm like, what are talking about?
I'm an American and I'm a woman, Like I'm just
as much as right to say something as every single
other person on this planet.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
But there is interesting how they put you into that
category though.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Right, Yeah, oh, stain your lane, Like speaking by lane.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
There's no lanes anymore?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
What lane? What's the lane?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I know? But at the same time, I feel like
we're regressing having lanes again.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I know, we really are, and that's why it's so important.
I love that you have three daughters who I'm sure
use their voices whenever they can. Like it's just like, ugh.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
That's a good sound effect, very much. You should really
do some yeah voiceover work. Maybe I don't know. Well, okay,
So when you're doing a show like Can't Maid's Tale
and you're you're talking about such heavy stuff every day
and the environment is oppressive in the in the context
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of what you're what you're doing, the scenes, acting, whatever,
how does that feel to you at the end of
a work day.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
It's yeah, I mean, here's the thing. This set is
not doesn't feel oppressive like the scenes do. And the
scenes are real, and I think that, you know, everyone
would agree that everybody on this show takes the work seriously,
but not themselves. Do you know what I mean? There's
levin he there's joy, there's laughter. I work with Bradley Whitford,
who like always keeps me laughing, which is such a
(30:27):
gift because sounds counterintuitive. But like to play Naomi and
to play that uptight, I kind of do need to
be relaxed, you know what I mean, Like, if ever
is uptight, then Naomi's gonna be. I don't know what
she's gonna be, but you know, uh, there have been
a lot of days with like a nice stiff drink
at the hotel bar. A walk in the fold in
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Toronto goes a long way to decompress.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
You walk along. Oh, you're in.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Toronto, Toronto. And the thing about this show also is
like there have been so many markers on this show.
Like I was there when Trump was elected. I was
there when Ukraine was invaded. I was there when Roe
was overturned. I always say I landed at Toronto Pearson
and by the time I got to my hotel room,
my son had more rights than my daughter. Biden was elected,
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I was here, I was there for much of COVID,
and then I was there for another Trump election. So
there have been a lot of markers. And after the
election this year, I was alone and I actually went
to work. I didn't have to work that day, and
I was texting A. Vaughan and whoever else was on set,
and it was understandably like a really hard dark day,
(31:44):
and I just went to work to be around my people.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, that's good that you've all had those experiences together, though,
and such a bond. I'm sure it's great.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's a really sorry that made me like choked up,
it's a really It's a genuinly lovely group of people, truly,
and they're all as kind as they are talented.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I find myself in positions where people are always saying,
do you have anything for this auction? Do you have
any memorabilia? Did you steal anything from the set? Do
you have anything of Kelly Taylor's that you could we
could have or photograph or whatever? Did you have you
taken anything from the set?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Oh my god, So here's the like, I'm such a
like good girl. I didn't take it. I realized I
should have at the time, and then the person who
was to send it to me, I was like, can
you just ask forgiveness, not permission? You just put it
in the mail. So it's coming. And I have one
of Naomi's, you know, her capes like what we wear
outside when it was and like my favorite outfit, and
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then some Naomi. I always liked her in really really
really tall heels because I just like her to feel
kind of like bony and towering over people, like it
just sort of has to a picture to me. So
I have a pair of her very very high shoes
as well. Did I take anything else? I don't think
I did.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Maybe I don't think.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I have anything else I should have twenty twenty right,
it really is. But Maddie, who plays my Handmaid, she
took her, she wrapped and just stuffed her red dress
right in her backpack and her bonnet and her eye
patch and got on a plane home.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Good for her, I know.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I was like, Maddie, I should have done that, But no,
mine's coming good.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
I'm so good.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So if I'm Naomi Putnam for Halloween, that's why I have.
I have my crossing ready, keep.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
It forever, Keep it forever. They're going to do a sequel, right.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Well, they're doing. I'm not You should read that The Testaments,
which is her the testing Margarett would follow up to
The Handmaid's Tail. Oh, I got to read it follows
aunt Lydia. So I don't want to spoil anything.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I don't know, but I don't know. I can't Lydia.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I don't like her, but you need to talk to
a Dowd. And Dowd is like the best person in
the whole wide world. I'm sure absolute Lou greatest, the
great It's so funny, be good, so like living is
so intense, and then they all cut. She's like, how's
Kobe Darling? Like what She's just she's so yummy. I
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love her. I love her.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Oh, I'm just I'm so happy for you and your
career's longevity, and you know, rooting for you for what's next.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I mean, thank you. I'll look back and you're like,
how am I? I don't know how? I'm fifty and
I'm like, when did that happen?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
That's right, you're in the fifty club.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I can get in the fifty club. I for myself
a nice big birthday party, but.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, good for you, fifty, good for you?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Doesn't feel like fifty. I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
No, how did this happen?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Don't know?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well, I just I follow you. I'll follow you. I'll
continue watching and supporting you always.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Oh it's quite a right. I'm excited for you to
see how this season shakes out, because they're right to
me too. Did stick the landing? I think?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Good? Perfect? Okay? Before I let you go? Ever, Carrodane,
what was your last I choose me moment?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I've been thinking about this a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Good and I have two on me.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
My I choose me is my garden. I don't have
a gardener. I do our gardening. I do our planting.
I do our trimming, and so like, if I find
myself sort of in the La crazies or spinning, I
will just put my gardening gloves on and my clogs
and prune and weed and we have sort of like
a little English garden and I'm proud of it and
(35:33):
I love how it makes me feel. The other day
I did it barefoot. I was like, maybe that'll be
like grounding. Maybe that's like yeah thing or something like that.
And then the other thing I did I sort of
was it's so funny when someone's like, what's your choose
me and you're like, I don't know. I have kids,
I choose them.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
A lot of people say.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
But at the end of twenty twenty three, I sort of,
you know, everyone on social media posts like these are
the books I read this year and Obama's list, and
I'm like Obama at fifty five books, Like what am
I doing with my time? So at the beginning of
twenty four I started a book group and the goal
was a book a month, and the book group is
(36:10):
kicking ass, and it's this incredible group of like it's
like ten to fifteen of us. We meet every month
and we read a book or two a month and
it's totally awesome and it is a non negotiable. I
have book group on the first Wednesday of every month period.
End of story.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
That's my I love that. Who's in your book group?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Who's in my book group? But there's a lot of
people in my book. Girl you might know as Meredith
Salinger is in my book group, meredithal And then a
lot of moms who I've met over the years, either
through preschool or school. And then some other women in
the book group brought in a friend and we all
just sort of mesh, great, it's been really it's I
highly recommend a book.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
What book are you reading right now? Then?
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Currently we are reading two books because we're we're like that, I.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Know, we're reading over Achievers. I know.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
We just read East of et In, So we're sort
of revisiting some classics, which if you haven't read, I really.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
It's been a million it's really good.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
We read it during the fires and it's really a
love letter to California. We're reading House of mirth. And
then we're reading a collection of essays by a friend
called Mothers and Other Fictional Characters, which is also wonderful.
And I know the author, Nicole, and so she's going
to zoom in at our next book group and we're
all going to get to kind of chat with her
(37:28):
about her memoir.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Oh that's exciting, fun, right, it's fun. I love it
that you did that. I heard that if you read
a book for even twenty minutes a day, it has
such significant help of your mental health.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Absolutely, and like you know a lot of us, I
feel like, and I say this with no judgment, like
end of the day, I'd be sitting on the chair
looking at my.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Phone and I was like scrolling.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Oh, but I want my kids to see me doing
so I really make an effort to just at the
end of the day for fifteen minutes or chapter and
just sit out there and then if they need something,
they come out when they find me, I have a
book in my hand and my phone.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I love that. You just inspired me. Thank you. I'm
going to pick up a book instead of my phone
today when I have it like ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Do it do you want? Do you need a book? Recommend.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Uh No, I'm behind.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
You like I have plenty. I know that's how my
qistand is. I don't know. I'm a capacity.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
No more book, no more room in the book in Yeah,
but thank you so much for being on and I
know everybody's going to just love our chat.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Oh, thank you, thank you so much for having me.
We'll see you all right, take care of R bye,
Danny Biever
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