Confidence: How to Build It, Be It, and Own It with Roxie Nafousi

Do you wish you could walk into any room as your true self?
Are you tired of letting self-doubt and other people’s opinions hold you back?
Could changing your inner voice change your entire life?
What’s the difference between being confident and needing to be the best?

In this episode of A Really Good Cry, Radhi sits down with self-development coach and best-selling author Roxie Nafousi for an honest, practical, and deeply personal conversation about building real confidence—confidence that’s rooted in self-worth, self-trust, and self-love.

Roxie shares her own journey from deep insecurity, body dysmorphia, and self-sabotage to becoming a voice of empowerment for millions. She reveals why confidence is not the absence of self-doubt, how to quiet your “inner heckler,” and why setting boundaries is one of the most powerful ways to honour yourself.

They explore the difference between real confidence and arrogance, how low confidence often develops in childhood, and the small daily actions that build self-trust and help you live in alignment with your higher self.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• What true confidence actually is—and what it isn’t
• How to identify and change the inner voice that holds you back
• The role of boundaries in protecting your energy and self-worth
• Why self-trust is the foundation of lasting confidence
• Tools to turn jealousy into inspiration instead of insecurity
• How childhood moments shape your sense of “enoughness”
• Practical habits to nurture your body, mind, and spirit daily
• Why being of service to others can shift your confidence instantly

Whether you’ve struggled with self-doubt for years or simply want to deepen your self-worth, this episode offers a clear, compassionate, and actionable roadmap to becoming the most confident version of yourself.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I think seventy two percent of girls don't do something
because they're worried about the way that they look. There's
a psychological phenomenon called the spotlight effect.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
In this week's episode, I have Roxy Nafuzi.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
She is a self development coach, a speaker, and the
Queen of Manifestation. Her newest book Confidence, offering eight practical,
powerful steps and tools to help you to stop doubting yourself.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
I've just started dating, have you Nothing brings out your
insecurities like dating?

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Lack of confidence could also potentially come from self obsession.
And I'm saying this all from a personal point of view.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
But there is such a feeling of empowerment when you
are able to recognize what you need, what you won't
stand for, and honoring yourself.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
I'm rather Dablukiah and on my podcast A really Good Cry,
we embrace the messy and the beautiful, providing a space
for raw, unfielded conversations that celebrate vulnerability and allow you
to tune in to learn, connect and find comfort together.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Thank you so much for being on this podcast. I
appreciate it so much and I'm so happy that you're here.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Oh, thank you so much. For having me. I'm honestly
been so excited to see you.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Me too. And if anybody doesn't know, I mean and
Rocky you have known each other for how many years?

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Oh God? Good for you.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, And I feel like I've been such a fan
of you online and then when I got to meet
you in person, I just felt that same genuine energy
and I felt that we just.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Had been friends for such a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yes, yeah, me too.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
I've been reading your book Confidence, and I have to
say it has been such a beautiful read. I felt
like I got so many personal reflections from it. But
even reading it as someone who was about to interview you,
it made me think of how many people are going
to benefit from it, but at every single age group.
And I think sometimes in a book that's really difficult
to hit because usually you get a target audience. Yeah,

(01:48):
but I feel like confidence is something you can struggle
with from five years up till ninety five years old.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
So thank you so much for creating this wonderful piece
of our.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Honestly, that means so much. And I think you know
so right. When I think about Confidence, I think the
first thing that always comes to my mind is that
the pursuit of confidence and the need for confidence is
such a universal thing. And when I ever, I do workshots,
you know, and I'm in front of a room of
let's say, thousands of people, and I always say to them, like,

(02:18):
who here can honestly say that they are free of
all self doubt? Who is like truly confident in who
they are? And nobody will raise their hand. And it's
really funny because as humans, I think that we think
that our insecurities or our journey with low self worth
is such a like so low pursuit. We think that
we're the only ones in it, and yet the person

(02:39):
next to us is battling the same things. We just
don't tell each other enough, and so we don't realize
that it's something that we all in search of.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
It's so true.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
And with everything that you've been through in your life,
and obviously you've just written a book on confidence, would
you say, at this point in your life you feel
like you're a confident person?

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:57):
You know, that's so nice that it always just say yes, yes,
in that question.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, you know what, honestly, Rdy, I really can't tell
you how much I have loathed myself all of my life,
and I don't remember. I think probably when I was
And I always say this, all kids like are born confident, right,
And I talk about it in the book that kids generally,
if you look at young children, they are full of

(03:23):
self worth. They're not self conscious. Little kids are walking
around the supermarket is Elsa or Superman, and they don't
care who's watching. Like they're so happy to express themselves
in all the ways that they want. And then, essentially,
like life happens to us and for whatever reason, whether
it's because of our caregivers, our friends, our teachers, society, essentially,

(03:45):
we all come to believe that we're not enough as
we are. And I definitely came to that belief very
very early on, and because of a series of many,
many different events, that belief was so compounded and I
lost all my sense of self and I just felt
so deeply unlovable and spent my teen years trying to

(04:06):
mold myself into what other people might want from me
or what made me likable, and still didn't figure it out,
and then found drugs and alcohol, which is the quickest
way to find false confidence, and that just made things
worse because then comes addiction and shame and guilt, and
then when all that came away, when I was pregnant

(04:28):
with Wolf, I had to suddenly give everything up and
what was revealed to me was the kind of depth
of my self loathing. And that really was the hardest
time of my life, without doubt. It was every day
was like such a struggle to just get through to
the next minute. And it was literally for me, like

(04:50):
a mental prison. And it all came down to this
like deep self hatred. You know. I felt I was disgusting.
I felt I was monstrous to look at, was a
loser I was, And it was just such a dark
time and I think I've only once ever talked about it.
I won't go into like loads of detail now, but

(05:10):
what I developed really really severe body dysmorphia disorder, which
is an anxiety disorder that is a form of OCD.
So it's repetitive looping thoughts of like severe self loathing,
and there can be checking behaviors, and BDD is something
that I think is more common than people realize, but
people are very scared to admit when they have it

(05:32):
because they think that it's about vanity and it's not.
It's an anxiety disorder just in the same way you
would have an OCD or an eating disorder, and the
BDD is for anyone that's experienced it, it is.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
I.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
So I was not excited to speak about this, but anyway,
it's so utterly exhausting, it's there's no your brain doesn't stop.
All I thought about every minute of the day when
I wasn't working was how disgusting I was really and
it plagued all my life. I stopped seeing friends, I
stopped leaving the house, even when we're in COVID. And

(06:08):
you know, you could meet up with it with people
for walks. I couldn't because in my head, if I
met someone for a walk, all they would think about
was how disgusting I was. And so I was convinced
of it. So my journey to recovery and to finding
self worth, not just overcoming the body dysmorphia, but also
feeling confident in who I was was such an important

(06:29):
one for me because as I was, you know, I'd
launched Manifest in my career, I was growing, I was succeeding.
I had confidence in that, but there was still this
hole within me where I didn't feel fully worthy. And
I knew that you know for me, the crux of
manifestation is self worse. So for me to manifest as
powerfully as I could, I needed to heal. So I

(06:52):
made a really conscious decision that I needed to enjoy
my life as much as possible, and I'd never be
able to enjoy it if i didn't love myself to
the most that I could. So I went on this journey.
And so now when I'm asked this question like are
you confident, I can't tell you how grateful and how
proud I feel to be able to say yes, I

(07:13):
actually really like who I am, and I really for me,
one of my definitions of confidence is being able to
walk into any room completely and utterly yourself and walk
out of that room not worrying what everyone else thought
about you.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, it's great definition.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
And I feel like now I can do that. I
can walk into a room and it's a feeling. It's
like a feeling of just like you just feel grounded
because you can walk in there with an ease because
you're not preempting what if this person doesn't like me?
What if I mess up? You're just like, you know,
I'm safe to be who I am and know that

(07:49):
that's enough. So that was the longest answer.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I No, that was such a beautiful answer. Thank you
for sharing all of that.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
And do you think that you know we spoke about
you said how children you believe with confidence and then
things happen in life. Would you say for most people
it's a singular moment or do you think there's something
in our mind that we start creating through the experiences
that we're having.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
And what was it like for you?

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Was it a singular moment or was it Wow, there
were so many things in my life that just kept
knocking my confidence and I wasn't bouncing back from it.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I think it can definitely be lots of moments put together. Look,
for some people, there is one really significant trauma that
happens that you could look back and say that was
definitely the moment that impacted how I felt about myself.
But for most people, it's lots of little moments. It's
something that somebody said at school, across the playground, it's

(08:42):
you know, I think even as parents, I can talk
about it in the book, parents can think they're doing
something good, Like if they always tell their children that
they're pretty, or they always tell them that they're clever.
Actually that you can think that's a good thing, right.
Actually the child then pins all their worthiness on that identity,
so then they think, oh god, well if I'm not
clever or if I don't pass my exams, then what

(09:02):
am I? Where have I got my worth from? So
there's loads of different ways that it can happen, I think,
and you know, I think part of it is like
we are wired to need to belong and from an
evolutionary perspective, that was where our safety came from, to
be part of a tribe. And if I look at Wolf,
you know, having kids is a great sort of like

(09:24):
way to like view our minds experiments. It really is.
And when he started school, I mean he was about
just turned five, and he refused to wear the Spider
Man hat I brought him, and I kept him being
like you love Spider Man, like it got your Spider
Man hat for Sainsbury's, Why are you wearing it? And
eventually he was like, I'm scared the other boys will

(09:45):
laugh at me. And that you know, where has he learned?
That's not a learned thing. It just seems that somewhere
as you start entering this new stage of life, we
do start to become more aware of where we stand socially,
and I think that's just part of evolution. I think
that we all have it, but how that impacts us

(10:07):
depends on so many different factors.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
I was thinking when I was reading the book of
the word confidence, and I broke it down into confide
in and what you were just saying when you knew
that to be able to actually show up in the world,
you really had to love yourself and believe in yourself.
And that's really in my mind, I'm like, that's what
confidence is, confiding in yourself. You should be able to
look internally and think, I trust in my own voice,

(10:31):
I trust in my own abilities.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I believe in them. But I guess, how do you think.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
You can differentiate between confidence and arrogance or confidence and
being pocky?

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Oh my god, it's such a good question because I
think that one of the barriers that we actually have
to confidence is that we are afraid of coming across
as arrogance. So true, and especially I would say this
is very much for women. So I talk about it
in step Fivebrate Yourself, and it might be step six,

(11:02):
I don't know, I can't remember. But in the steps
celebrate yourself. I talk about this because what we've done
is kind of across cultures. We really glorify humility, right,
and being humble is one of the most desirable traits,
you know, It's what makes you a good person or likable.

(11:23):
And yes, being humble, of course is a really important
trait to have. We want to it helps us to
grow and you know, to it helps us to ground
us right and be willing to become better people and
to be kind to those around us. And being humble
is good. But so often we take it too far,

(11:44):
and we become self deprecating, and we can't accept compliments,
and we can't accept praise from others, and we can't
praise ourselves, and we can't speak highly of ourselves. We
start small businesses and we're too scared to shout about
on social media. We pass our exams and we don't
want to celebrate it because we just say it was
luck or do you know what I mean? And so

(12:05):
this desire to be humble kind of we take that
too far. And then on the other hand, we have
this great fear of coming across as arrogant. And part
of this I think is a bit of social conditioning,
because quite often confident people are labeled as arrogant or
up themselves or cocky, And sometimes I think that's really

(12:27):
doing a disservice to people who are confident. And really
I believe that those judgments come from probably a place
of it comes from a wound, you know, it comes
from a place of I kind of secretly maybe wish
I had that confidence. And that's natural, And that's not
to pass judgment on anyone. I've done it plenty of ties,
or I've gone offor's so arrogant? And actually are they arrogant?

(12:48):
Or am I just a little bit envious of their confidence?
And actually I can use that envy to show me
what needs healing, right, to show me that what I
want more of, but arrogance and confidence, And it's so important.
I have a whole chart in the book to differentiate them,
like they are not the same thing. Arrogance is really
about needing to be the best in the room. It's

(13:08):
about needing to see yourself as superior to others and
needing to put others down to make yourself feel better.
Confidence is knowing that you are a work in progress,
but also being sure of who you are. It's about
loving yourself whilst also being able to admit that you're

(13:29):
not perfect and that being okay. And I think they're
so so different. And I often say it's like, if
you're worried about being arrogant, you're probably not because arrogant
people don't have that self awareness.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
So yeah, And you know, I think when you were
talking about going into a room, and I think find
the people that end up wanting to shout the loudest,
or speak about themselves the most, or say in a
way you can always feel that the energy behind what someone
is saying.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
And I think when you end up trying to be humble,
most people end up being falsely humble.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
But you can also feel that we're like.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
No, I don't really want you to compliment, but really
most people do like compliments.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
And I think when you realize that your humility or
what you keep saying negative about yourself is actually stopping
your success, that's a sign that humility isn't actually working.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, because I find humility should be something that.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Still helps you progress in your spiritual path, in your work,
in every aspect of your life. But if you're being
humble and it's stopping you from accepting, growing and becoming
a better person, then you probably need to rethink and
see maybe this isn't actually humility, and they need to
rephrase how I say things. I think self deprecating language

(14:41):
is just so common totally. It's just constantly, even if
someone compliments your outfit, somehow you find a reason to say, no,
it's not really that good.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Oh yeah I got it on sale.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
We were talking about it yesterday. We walked into us
doing a recording and of Lucy, someone said, oh, I
love your boots and she was like, oh, they're only
pri yeah exactly, when else said, oh, is you always
do that? Stop saying that, like, just be And so
I have this like tool for people to use. Actually,
so when people and I share a growth in manifest
and confidence because I love it so much. But when

(15:13):
people give you a compliment, how you respond is a
really reflection of your relationship with humility and self celebration.
And so what I challenge people to do is when
someone comes to you and they say, hey, you did
amazing that presentation or oh my god, I loved that
video you put on Instagram. I love you look amazing today,
whatever it is. Rather than pushing it away or saying

(15:34):
no I didn't or downplaying it, I want you to
just pause, take it in, like really allow yourself to
hear it, and then respond with those two magical words,
I know, thank you.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Just say thank you.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
That's it, and it's so much less annoying. Also, because
you know, when someone gives you a compliment, they're like, no,
you don't, then you have to be like, no you do. Yeah,
oh my god, I shouldn't have bothered it kind.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Of has allowed the cycle of that conversation to be
full circle. Or so you know when they say, if
someone gives you a gift and you don't actually receive it, well,
the cycle of giving and receiving isn't completed. Yes, and
so the person who's actually giving you something is giving
it to you an excitement, whether it's something physical, whether
it's words, or whether it's energy or emotion.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
And then if you literally.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Push it away from yourself, yeah, you're.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Essentially pushing away something that they're trying to give.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
So true, it's like if you give someone a gift
and they're like, oh, you shouldn't have, and you're like,
do you know what I would have loved you to
say thank you. Yeah, it would have been so nice.
And you're right because it's so exciting gift giving. Yes,
confliment is a gift exactly. Yeah, I love that. That's
so true.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
And then the thing that you said about I feel
with confidence so much of when I reflect in my
life and I was reading the book, and I still
think I'm working through a lot of the different things
that allow me to feel full confidence in different areas
of my life. But a big thing that changed it
for me was when I started thinking about what I have,

(16:54):
the skills that attributes the way that I look. Every
single part of me has been a gift from God
or from the universe to me. And when you think
of it like that, everything can feel you can receive
praise for it because you then don't have to necessarily
take on as this is me and it's building my
ego and I'm going to become.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Arrogant from it.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
You think, yeah, actually, I am so grateful for it,
and so saying thank you and accepting it is actually
you accepting it as a way of showing gratitude to
whoever you feel has given it to you. I love that,
and I think that helps with that mindset of changing.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
It from oh no, don't compliment me too.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Oh actually, yeah, I am so grateful for this, and
so thank you so much for recognizing that in me.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Do you have you know, on the days that you
I'm sure confidence till ebbs and flows depending on what
you're doing, and on those days that you're feeling a
little bit lower, do you have like an SOS confidence kit,
like the things that you go to in the moments
that you are finding yourself spiraling downwards or not feeling
great about yourself?

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Do you know what? Yeah, I've just started dating. Have
you brings out your insecurities? Like dating? Oh my gosh,
It's been a long time since I've been dating. And
you know, really the last time I was dating was
like seven years ago, right, and like properly and who
I am now is like so different to her was then.

(18:17):
So I'm in a much better place. I'm really independent.
I'm like, you know, very like spiritually evolved since you know,
back then, and yet still I noticed, like, oh gosh,
like this feeling of like am I enough is coming back?
And so for me, it was really a lot for me.
It was like on the days where I have those

(18:38):
like wobbles. Firstly, it's about like really being aware of
your thoughts and not attaching to them. So for me,
what I used to do, I think is have a
thought attached to it and let it spiral, Whereas now
I can be like, where is that thought coming from?
Where is the not enoughness really coming from? And for me,
this is like the first step of any change of

(18:58):
self development. And actually it's a constant practice. And so
I'm really I love like like dissecting my own past
and giving myself that kind of therapy by journaling or
just doing it in my thoughts and just saying, Okay, yeah, actually,
what relationship am I taking myself back to? And so
that for me, it doesn't sound like a really simple tool,

(19:19):
but it is when you're in the practice of it,
because you're just constantly being able to question your own
thoughts rather than just like take them as facts.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Definitely.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
The other is that I genuinely have got myself into
a practice of changing my inner voice from I call
it in the book, from the inner heckler to the
inner cheerleader. And so I have this journal and every
morning one of the prompts it's my Manifest Daily Journal.
One of the prompts is a most facial message from
your higher self, and so this took practice. So at

(19:48):
the beginning I used to write like you got this,
do you know what I mean? Like quite gherror, And
then I started writing things like, Hey, you really deserve
to feel the joy from today. You've worked so hard
for this, or I know you're feeling I'm a bit
low today, but I promise this will pass, and just
remember how much you've achieved. And actually, I've got comfortable

(20:10):
with that voice, and so much of change is about
finding a new place of comfort with the way that
you speak to yourself, and so it really is a practice.
And so I'm always trying to think, what is like
a kind of perspective or what is a kind of
thing I could say to myself in this moment, And
that's been really helpful for me.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Do you think people always have to go backwards and
figure out the root of their issues before being able
to move forward.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah? I do, actually, because every meaning, all the meaning
we attach to every experience we have is currently being
viewed through a lens, and this lens is made murky
from our current state of mind, our belief systems, our wounds,
our pass and I truly believe that unless we process

(21:00):
and figure out what lens we're looking at things through,
will never be able to clear the way. Like we'll
always be controlled by our past.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
You're kind of building on top of a broken foundation.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
One percent, and I think that it is. I used
to really be Oh, like, what's the point in looking back?
I just want to look forward. You just can't. It
will always have a hold over you unless you let
it go. Like even I'll share an example with you.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
So I had this really stressful two weeks at work,
and part of the stress was coming from that some
people really let me down at work and it made
me feel so angry. I felt so frustrated, I felt
so disappointed, and all I wanted was an apology. I
just wanted them to take accountability. And I'm alia, so
I forgive instantly, right li Liah. Yeah, So if someone
says sorry, forget done, I'm over it, moved on. I

(21:50):
don't care. I'm so forgiving, but I really need people
to take accountability. And I was finding myself so stressed
and so frustrated, and I spoke to my therapist about it.
And she said to me, what really irritates you about people?
And I said, the number one thing that irritates me
is someone that can't take accountability for what they've done right.
And she said, when did this happen to you before?

(22:10):
And instantly a memory came up or something that had
happened to me when I was younger, and this person
had done something pretty awful to me and they never apologized,
and me and this person never we didn't speak for
three months, and three months later they started speaking to
me again and just kind of pretended like nothing had happened.
And I remember, in that moment so strong that I
was about twelve at the time, thinking I just lost

(22:33):
respect for them. But I felt, I can't believe you
haven't just said sorry. And for me, what that meant
was that my feelings didn't matter, that I didn't matter,
I wasn't heard, I wasn't seen, I wasn't valued the
things that we need right. So, now, as an adult,
when somebody doesn't take accountability, I don't take it as
what's happening now. I make it mean that I'm not

(22:55):
being seen or heard, And so it stirs up such
deep pain and emotion and so I'm not able to
see the situation clearly because I'm focusing on the emotional
reaction to it, that is from the past. As soon
as I became aware of it, I was able to
let it go right. And so that is for me

(23:17):
the power in looking back and working on your past.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
It becomes so heavy as well, doesn't it, Because if
you think about carrying all those things that you have
been accumulating, of all the pain that you've taken in
but not digested, all the trauma that you've taken in
but locked away somewhere. It's still in you, but it's
somewhere that's hidden away. Actually, if you think about it,
you go through all these years and suddenly you realize

(23:43):
you're carrying so much weight. And then the heaviness of
that one situation that you'd already been in, the weight
of that is continued in the conversations you're then having,
So everything feels even more intense, even more irritating. You
get even angry than you normally would have, because it's
it's not a new situation, it's an old situation that

(24:03):
you're still got all that weight attached to, and so
something that you wouldn't normally have such a deep reaction
to if you end up wilding out because it's not
being triggered, is.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Right exactly for people listening, because therapy, I know, can
be really expensive, but people can do this on their own.
So for anybody listening, what they can do is why
don't you just for a moment, you could get a
journal or a notepad and pen. Now you could pause
this and just consider what are the patterns that are
currently present in your life, like what keeps coming up
for you, what issues, what situations that piss you off

(24:35):
or make you sad or make you angry, and can
you recognize any patterns within them, like within those situations,
and then just look at when did I first experience
something like this? And it can be as simple as that,
And I really do say like that letting go that
process it is just having the awareness. I don't know how,
but it releases something.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
It's also being aware of what is this actual emotion?

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Because I feel like we such small emotional vocabulary where
it's like this is making me angry, and then I
read someone that anger is just a secondary emotion, So
what are you actually feeling? What is the emotion you're
actually feeling, what is it digging up inside of you?

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Linked back to it?

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Oh, it makes me feel unworthy, unheard, makes me feel
like nobody's supporting me, makes me feel like no one's
listening to me. I don't feel intelligent in this room
because of something that someone said. Whatever, the deeper rooted
feeling is, go beyond the Oh, I'm so angry right now,
because okay, you're angry, But where has the anger actually
come from? Because if it's a secondary emotion, there's somewhere

(25:34):
deeper that you need to go. Absolutely, you spoke about dating,
and one thing I've been surrounded by at the moment
with are my friends who really struggle in dating situations
to say no in set boundaries. And when you were
saying that, I was like, I guess it is linked
to confidence because your ability to say no in set
boundaries is you being able to trust in your personal

(25:56):
self and knowing that saying no is okay. And if
they leave, if they decide that they don't want to
go on a second date, if they decide that they
don't want to be with you, that's a sign that
they're not supposed to. But saying no seems to be
something that women specifically struggle with so much, whether it's
in relationships or in friendships and the boundaries being put up.

(26:16):
What kind of recommendations or advice do you give to
someone who's struggling to put up boundaries.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Well, I think it all comes down to fear of rejection. Okay,
so it's all really the fear is if I set
a boundary, this person will leave me. Yes, And that
fear of rejection bther is very real. And again, be
kind to yourself about that, because that's an evolutionary response.
The feeling of being rejected from your tribe would mean

(26:43):
that you would be unsafe, and that would create feelings
of an anxiety. So it's a very real thing. And
so I think firstly, just be like kind to yourself
by recognizing that actually it is causing a very real response.
But I think that it's these with boundary setting. I
think it's really like chicken egg because we can only
gain confidence, well not only, but one of the ways

(27:04):
that we gain confidence and self worth is by setting
boundaries because there is so much there's such a feeling
of empowerment when you are able to recognize what you need,
what you won't stand for and honoring yourself and trusting
that you are worth being honored like that is. So
it's such a great feeling. Anybody who's ever a sat

(27:25):
set of boundary will know how good it feels when
you just say not, actually I'm not available for that. Yeah,
it is the best feeling. But the more confident that
you are also the easier it is to do that.
So you're kind of working on these things all the time.
That's why these confident there's six steps of com six
steps the eight steps of confidence that I lay out

(27:45):
in my book. You really work on them simultaneously, and
boundary setting is part of that. But I think we're
dating specifically. The reason that that boundary setting is so
hard is because, I mean, there's so many reasons, but
some of them are that, you know, basically, what we've
learned about whether we love starts from so young, right
from you know, the way that we're the relationships that
we have with our caregivers or parents. So that is

(28:07):
like really deep within us. So to feel like we
are most of us, most of us didn't have unconditional
love right growing up. It's like it is conditional. It's
if you are good, you are lovable, right, And that's
not to blame our parents or our caregivers. It's just
how they were taught to parent as well. And so

(28:29):
it's very hard for us as adults to then believe
that we are worthy of unconditional love. And I think
that also there's society and our friends where you're constantly
hearing the narrative it's so hard to meet someone. Yes,
how many times do you hear people say that it's
so hard to meet someone? These days? Nobody meet someone

(28:51):
and it is trickier, that's true. But the more that
we're saying it to each other, the more that we're
kind of convincing ourselves that there's You're in the scarcity mindset.
So well, if I set a boundary and I don't
have this person, where the hell am I going to
meet anyone else?

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Right?

Speaker 1 (29:07):
So then you're stuck in this like, well, just take
what I can get, rather than actually being able to say, no,
I know I'm worth more than this and I'm going
to wait. And that's what step four of my manifesting
process overcome tests of overcome tests from the universe is
really all about this. I truly believe that we won't
meet our one until we are able to say no

(29:29):
to what isn't right for us, And as long as
we are allowing someone to treat us with any level
of disrespect or you know, anything that really isn't reflective
of what you actually want, we won't be able to
create space for what you do want to ender your life.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
That makes so much sense.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
It's like you're already holding things in your hands, So
how do you expect the God or universe?

Speaker 2 (29:54):
It's ready for you.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
But if you don't let go of what's not for you,
you don't have the hands to catch what's for you,
or even the eyes to rect that. It is that
even if you're being sent all the signs, all this
thing that I was just this morning listening to the
audiobook of Conversations with God.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Have you read that?

Speaker 1 (30:09):
No?

Speaker 3 (30:10):
I just got into the first chapter, but it was
so beautiful because he was talking about how he was
asking God, Okay, but how do I know you're talking
to me?

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Universe? How do I know that you're speaking to me?

Speaker 3 (30:21):
And God said, I'm literally sending signs and signals all
the time. I'm showing you not because words are actually
the lowest form of communication. Words are actually the lowest,
most unreliable form of communication.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
But actually through.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
The way that you actually feel, through the way people
behave around you, through the tiny things that happen in
your day. Those are the indications that I'm communicating with you,
but you need the eyes to be able to see it,
the hands to receive it. And I just thought that's
so true, right, like that the signs are being shown
to us all the time, but we have to know

(30:57):
when to let go and when to receive, definitely, and
that comes with I see confidence as alignment as well,
because the more that you feel that you are spiritually
connected or in alignment with the universe around you or
with God, the more you're able to receive those signals
and the more you know that they.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Are the trusted source.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
But to get there, you obviously have to build self trust.
And so what with some of the tools and techniques
that you have used in your life to actually build
trust in your own voice and your own capabilities.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
I think it's such a good point. So self trust
for me is really being able to trust your own
word and trust in your decision making, and they're kind
of two separate things. So in terms of trusting your
own word. I think it's really important that you do
the things that you say you'll do. And for me,
this is like really foundational to confidence. If you are
saying to yourself, I'm going to go to the gym tomorrow,

(31:50):
I'm going to finish this task, I'm not going to
drink tonight, whatever it is. If you are saying those
things to yourself and you're not doing them, then it's
how are you going to learn to trust yourself? And
so it really is about That's why I think self
discipline is a form of self respect and self love,
because you need to start following through with your own word,
just in the same way that if you had someone

(32:11):
in your life that never did the things they say
they'd do, you'd stop trusting them, you'd lose respect for them,
and so you have to treat yourself with the same
kind of standards. The next thing is decision making. So
I think that it's particularly when we have low self worth,
we often turn to the people around us to help
us make all our decisions. So you know, you might
call your mum, what should I have for lunch today?

(32:33):
You know? Or I don't know what to do, or
should I post this on Instagram. Should I stay in
this job? Should I break up with my boyfriend? We
ask the people around us to help us make all
our decisions, and actually, I think that being able to
make our own decisions is like one of the quickest
ways to building that self trust and self confidence. And

(32:56):
so how do we do that? I often talk about
us being able to visualize our higher self? Right, So
if you were to sit and think about who is
the best you that you could be, and visualize that
version of yourself and think about what does that version
of you do day to day, how do they feel
about themselves, how do they walk into a room, what
are they attracting into their life? And then I want

(33:16):
you to use that higher self as your decision maker.
So before every decision you make, instead of asking your
friend what to do, you can ask yourself, what would
my higher self do? And it is such an amazing
It's like a filter for you, so that your decision
filter that will help you to make more empowering decisions
and gain that confidence on the way.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Because then you also don't get stuck in the temporary
feelings that you have. It's that my friends always text me,
like I was saying should I text him?

Speaker 2 (33:45):
And I'm like, make the decision in the morning.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, yeah, don't do that right now, because what emotion
you are feeling right now will not be the same
as what you're feeling in the morning. And so that's
obviously such a small example, but totally thinking of what
would my higher self do, It's almost like thinking in
the future, if you will.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
It's saying, Okay, how.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Will I feel about myself in an hour's time, or
if I was looking at myself from an outside point
of view, what would make me feel happy in the
decision that I made in that moment exactly.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
And I want to kind of go back.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
To addiction just a little bit, because I find for
many of my friends as well that have been through
difficulty and confidence or lack of self worth. It's so
interesting how addiction plays such a big role in that.
In whichever way, whether it's alcohol, drugs, sex, whatever it is,

(34:36):
people's natural instinct is to go towards something that suppresses
and gives temporary satisfaction, even though the pain is greater after.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
So after I know wolf was.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
The reason you ended up giving up, but what did
you do in those struggling moments where you were going
to turn to addiction, if you had any moments like that,
and what were the things that actually stopped you, because
I find that's the hardest moment to make those decisions.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
In so it's really interesting. I mean, I think ultimately
what we're looking to do is escape, right and escape
from the pain of being ourselves. And that's definitely what
I was doing for a long time. And when I
had Wolf, when I gave everything up during pregnancy, I
have to say, it was unbelievably hard. Giving up smoking
was one thing. Giving up drugs for me was horrendously difficult.

(35:25):
Like all I wanted to do was like just go
out and take drugs and it felt really hard. And
actually what I at the time of being pregnant, I
was like, Oh, when I have Wolf, I'm just going
to go back to it, like I really wanted to.
At that point, I thought that's what I would do.
But what happened was during my pregnancy I started figuring
out what my purpose was. I started figuring out what

(35:46):
I wanted to do after I had Wolf, And straight
after I had Wolf, I started to turn my life
around and within five months I basically started my career,
which was I started with hosting workshops. What kept me
from going back to drugs wasn't necessarily being a mom,
if I'm honest, it was that I found a purpose
right and that I found something worth waking up for

(36:07):
the next day and something that was giving me a
sense of self worth. I felt like being of service
to others was my reason for being and that all
the pain I'd been in before was so that I
could connect with others, and that feeling of being of service,
that feeling of having something that was greater than me,

(36:29):
became my anchor, and that was the start of my
confidence journey, really, and that's why step seven of confidence
is being of service. I think people underestimate how being
of service can actually impact our own feeling of being
valuable in the world and feeling like we are yeah,

(36:51):
feeling we are of value, And I think it's so important,
and that can be in any way. It can be
through charitable work, volunteering, through what you do, but it
can also just be through how you support the people
close to your family, your friends. It doesn't have to
be like it really can be anything, but just knowing
that we can help others. I think it's just so integral.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, when I read that part of the book, you know,
every time I think about service, I think about it's
just an opportunity to get yourself out of your own
mind and into someone else's life or into someone else's
pain or discomfort. And you also feel more useful in
that situation, which helps with the purpose aspect of it.
But it also made me think about how confidence or

(37:39):
lack of confidence could also potentially come from self obsession
in a certain way. And the reason I thought that
was because when you end up obsessing over yourself so much,
obsessing over how people see you, obsessing over looking in
the mirror thirty forty fifty times before you go out
of the house, obsessing over what you're wearing and what
other people are thinking. And I'm saying this from a

(38:00):
personal point of view because I used to It actually
really messed up mine and Jay's relationship at the beginning,
because I was so insecure of every.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Part of my body my Okay, yeah, this is a
really good cry for a reason.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah, I was so insecure that every time we would
go out, I would the thing I'd be obsessing over
was before we left the house. I would be like, oh,
does this look weird on me, or every part of
our conversation would be based around that I'm crime, because
I was like, how sad it was back then that
it ruined so much of my experience of the relationship,
of the experience of going to.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Wherever we were going.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
And it was so interesting to me because it went
on four years from such a young age, probably because
I grew up overweight and I was just always obsessing
over that. But how it was purely through self obsession
of the thought that other people are going to be
thinking about all of this stuff to do with me
when we people are just thinking about themselves. And so
the obsessiveness of constantly thinking people are thinking about me,

(39:06):
people are looking at me, people are doing all these
things and it's all to do with me has destructive tendencies,
Like it really is so destructive to the conversations you
can have with people, even when you interact with them.
I could be thinking right now, oh my god, I
wonder what she's looking at me and what she thinks
about my makeup, for example, Or I could be listening
to what you are saying and participating in this conversation,

(39:28):
and I just find it makes me sad for other people,
thinking of there's so many people who go through that
where it strips them and takes away their ability to
actually connect, communicate and live in present moment with people,
and I think it's such a difficult place to get
out of as well. I think having obviously a partner
who's so supportive in that and was like no, repeating

(39:51):
himself over and over again, but eventually being like, I
really want you to care about yourself and love yourself
because I see you and I think you're this, this
and this, you don't see it, and that nothing else matters.
How other people see you makes no difference. And so
I think creating these tools and techniques like you've got
in both your books, I think it's just so important

(40:12):
because the whole world just seems so sadder then happy.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Don't you think?

Speaker 1 (40:16):
I agree? And thank you for sharing that.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I expect to do that either, but.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
It's I think it's like so amazing to experience that
kind of emotion and it's compassion, yeah, like feeling like
sad for the old you, and like also I think
sometimes it's also really touching to see how far you've
come sometimes mind yourself, and it is really sad that

(40:43):
we waste so much of our lives worried about what
everyone else thinks of us. And I think there's a
stat in the beginning of the book that Dove did
which is, I think seventy two percent of young girls
don't do something because they're worried about the way that
they look. So they're like genuinely missing out on their life,
so much of their life, and it's there's a psychological

(41:06):
phenomenon called the spotlight effect, which is literally where we
assume that other people are focusing on the things that
we notice. So if we've got a spot, we're convinced
that everybody's staring at it, or if we're messing up
in gym, we think that someone's watching us. Yeah, nobody
is nobody. We are not the main character of anyone
else's story. No, nobody's say in the book, and like

(41:28):
nobody's tuning into the next episode.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
They really don't.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
And I think as soon as you start living life
that I had this lady called Liz Moody on my podcast,
and she had something in her book that really changed
it for me, where she said she was really conscious
because she felt really uncomfortable in a swim suit, and
so her whole family went on holiday and they all
were in the ocean. She was like, there's no way
I'm getting in the ocean because my thighs look like this.

(41:54):
People are going to be thinking, why is she even
in the ocean, Why is she even wearing that swim suit.
She was sitting there, sitting there on the beach thinking
that constantly while she was watching her whole family enjoy
themselves so much. And suddenly she was like, when I'm
eighty years old, am I going to be sitting there thinking,
thank goodness those people didn't see my cellul like or
am I going to be remembering feeling the ocean on

(42:15):
my skin and feeling the sun and laughing with my family?
And am I going to remember those laughs for the
rest of my life? And she goes, in that moment,
I took off my song and I ran into that ocean,
and I remember that story and I share it so
much because that is literally how we live most of
our life. I'm not going to dance with my friends
because I'm not going to dancing. I'm not gonna go

(42:37):
out and wearing that thing I want to wear because
my thighs don't look like that person's And I think
jealousy moving on to something that I think is another
part of lack of confidence.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Which is jealousy.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
How in your life have you dealt with feeling emotions
of jealousy of other women or other people in your life,
and what are some tools that you've used to navigate that.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
So I think envy is a really it's a core emotion, right, Yeah.
We have it from like children and honestly, like Wolf
cannot to see his cousin Adam even look at one
of his toys like oh my gosh, and you learn
that it is a core emotion. But as adults, we
have so much shame around it, like we don't want

(43:21):
to admit that we're jealous. But it's normal to feel jealous, right,
And I think that the first for me, I know
that what I used to feel really jealous of was
people on Instagram looking like happy and playful, playful and
fun because I was in such a deep depression for

(43:42):
all my life that when I see people on social
media just being like care free, I'd be like, oh
my god, like I would crave it, like it would
make me feel so shit about myself. And I really struggled,
I think with social media because I just didn't have
any confidence myself. And I think that the thing with
envy or is that it's most if we feel it

(44:06):
the most in the areas of our life where we
feel the most insecure. But I have a whole step
on like how to stop comparing yourself to others, And
I have lots of tools in the book about how
to do that, and I've used them lots myself. So
one of them is one that is turned envy into inspiration,
So allow people to really like show you what's possible,

(44:27):
rather than being being in this scarcity mindset where if
someone has something that might have been less for you,
it's in fact allowing someone else to show you what's possible.
So being able to watch your envy, recognize when it
props up and say, what is this showing me as possible?
Or what's it showing me I need to heal more
right in myself. But there's a few other tools that
I love. One of them is all about changing your perspective.

(44:48):
So I often think about if you I describe the
situation of like if you're in a car and you're
in a line of traffic, and if you're in a
line of traffic and you were to look in your
rear view, well, if you could be in sorry, imagine
that you're in a line of traffic and you're looking
ahead at all the people ahead of you, and you're like,
oh my god, I wish I was up at the front,
right right. But if you took a moment to look
at your rear view mirror and you saw all the

(45:10):
line of traffic behind you, you might actually be able
to just be like, do you know what? I'm so
grateful for where I am? And it's called basically, there's
something called upward comparison and downward comparison. And upward comparison
is where we tend to look at people that we
perceive is better than us, and this can be quite
damaging for our self esteem if done too much. Some
is nice because it can push us right, it can
push us to do better and to grow and destrive

(45:31):
for more, but it can have a negative effect when
we do it too much and we're constantly thinking that
everyone else is better than us. Downward comparison, it's not
about looking at people as if we are above them,
but it's about understanding that we are fortunate for where
we are, because there are people that don't have what
we have yet, and so this is actually that's where
you have a kind of healthy level of comparison, where

(45:52):
you can have a little bit of both. So being
able to just like sit back and just say, actually,
I'm so grateful how far I've come, and I'm in
such a fortunate position, because look, you know, by making
some downward comparisons can be really helpful. Another thing that
I love is consider what you don't know. So when
we see somebody's something that someone has that we're jealous of,

(46:14):
we're just seeing that one small part of their life.
But consider what you don't know about them, or their challenges,
their traumas, their difficulties that you can't see, And then
ask yourself, would I really trade my entire life for their?
And the answers always know, right, you'd rather rather the devil,
you know, But you know, wouldn't you rather your own

(46:35):
challenges and your own you know? But everything that you have,
You wouldn't trade all of that just for one part
of someone else's life.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
That's so true.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
And I always find jealousy sometimes comes out brings out
the worst words and worst thoughts in your mind as well,
where you become so much more critical about other people
because you kind of don't want them to succeed, Like
jealousy turns into this desire of oh, they can't really
be that good or the must be a flaw in
something there. So do you think you can be critical

(47:04):
of others but still have confidence or do you think
there has to be a disconnect between the two BOK.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I think it's humans. I'm not going to sit here
and say we never judge anyone. It's just not possible.
But would I say that the majority of the time
I see the best in people? Yes, I think that
I don't care to because I feel confident in who
I am. I'm not would why would it matter to
me if someone wants to express themselves in this way

(47:32):
or that? Like good free Everyone should be free to
be who they are, And I think that really comes
from confidence. And I definitely would say that those feelings
of comparison or envy that I experienced before are much
much much less. Not to say that I don't sometimes
have the odd moment with a friend where we're like,
you know, we're human. It happens sometimes, But if it

(47:54):
does I'm also, but majority of the time, I will
always give people the benefit of the doubt. And if
I notice myself feeling jealous of someone, it's like, oh, okay,
what's that showing?

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah, what is it that I want?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Likely changing it? You know, I really think being happy
for other people is such an amazing and wonderful quality
to have, So I always whatever possible celebrate other people's success.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Whenever I used to get jealous or of other people,
the first thing I would try and do is compliment
them in my mind, yeah, or even out loud. Yeah,
Because as soon as I get a negative thought about
the moment, okay, but what is it about.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Them that I truly admire?

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yeah, because there's always admiration that's tucked into jealousy because
obviously you want what that person has, And so trying
to turn that jealousy into words of admiration or appreciation
ends up being really useful in those moments too. You
wrote in the book that confidence is built through action,
not affirmation.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Could you explain a little bit about what you mean
by that?

Speaker 1 (48:51):
So I say that like, actions speak louder than words.
So sometimes someone can show you they love you, not
by just saying I love you, but helping you move house,
bring you a cup of tea in the morning. It's
through what you do. And I think the way we
treat ourselves really does matter. I think that we can
speak to ourselves kindly, and that's so important. But how
are we treating ourselves? Are we giving our body the
nutrients it needs? Are we moving it? Are you honoring

(49:14):
rest when you need to? Are you getting fresh air
and being out in nature? You know? I think that
we need to show ourselves through the way that we
treat ourselves, how what we deserve.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yes, yeah, I think that action is very important, especially
if you keep telling yourself something. It goes back to
the self confidence and self trust, right you keep saying
something and not doing it exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
I wanted to go a list bit on.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Affirmations and some affirmations of confidence that people can say
every day.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Do you have any favorites?

Speaker 4 (49:42):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (49:42):
My god, so many. My favorite favorite is I am enough.
I have always been enough. I love that do The
first time I said that when I cried so I
think I just needed to hear it so much. I
am proud of how far I have come. I am
proud of who I am and who I am because
is one that I love. I am of value to

(50:04):
the world and people around me. I think a great
way to figure out what affirmation is good for you
is to think about what are your the limiting beliefs
that you know that you hold, like, what are your
things like? It might be that you don't feel like
you're good with people, or you don't feel that you're
clever enough to being the job that you're in, or
whatever it is for you, And then basically you just

(50:26):
write an affirmation that directly opposes that limiting belief. And
I think what people always need to remember is that
you don't need to believe it to be true to
say it right like people say, but I don't believe that.
How can I say I am, you know, incredible at
interviews if I don't feel like I am right? Or
how can I say I'm calma at ease when I'm

(50:47):
feeling so anxious. But the point is that we're trying
to give our brain these thoughts that it can then
make reality by repeated use. And I think it, you know,
Marissipi always says that your brain's job is to make
your thoughts true. And I love the way she describes it,
and it's, you know, we are telling our brain how

(51:08):
to feel by inputting these like nourishing thoughts. And so
I love affirmations, you know, first thing in the morning,
as I'm waking up, when our brains are really susceptible
to that positive messaging, That for me is my favorite.
Like I'm always like a wake up, I'm excited for
what today could bring. I'm resilient and strong, I'm ready
to handle any challenges that come my way. I'm proud
of where I am, you know, And so I think, Yeah,

(51:30):
I just love affirmations.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
You're inviting it into existence, even if it doesn't already
exist in your own mind or you don't believe it. Yeah,
And starting your day off in that way, it creates
that instead of a negative filter, you end up kind
of putting in that the different lenses of living life
through those those affirmations. Exactly, what would you say has
been the hardest truth that you've had to learn on
this journey?

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Healing really isn't like a linear process. Yeah, I think
that I found it really challenging in time where I'd
think that I'd made so much progress and I could
have a long stretch of feeling incredible and then all
of a sudden, I feel like I'm right back, but
actually realizing you're never right back. And it was really
hard to It was really scary for me at times

(52:15):
because I thought, oh my god, I'm going back to
that depression or it was that was scary, But actually
now with experience, like the other I told you when
I came in today, the other we you know, I
had two weeks where I honestly don't remember the last
time I felt that much anxiety. I really felt on
the edge of like a breakdown. I felt really unwell mentally,

(52:38):
and I hadn't felt that bad for a long time,
and it was scary in a way, but I had
enough experience to trust that something amazing was coming on
the other side.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I think you had all the tools and techniques you
needed too. Yeah, sure you come out of it. Yeah
you built that.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
I had the tools, but most importantly I had the hope. Yeah,
And that's sometimes when you're in those moments, that is
what you need, is you just need hope that after
the dark days, better days are coming.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Yes, that's really beautiful. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
I'm going to do your last few quick fire questions.
What's your favorite affirmation right now?

Speaker 1 (53:12):
I am ready to make my dreams come true.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
A book that changed your life from your own.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
The Four Agreements?

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Yes, yeah, great book. What's always in your handbag?

Speaker 1 (53:25):
My phone and a pair of eyelash Curtis Nice?

Speaker 2 (53:29):
A place to visit that's still on your bucket list?

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Turs and cacos, me too.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
It saw someone there actually looks so gorgeous, beautiful, a
quality that you're trying to embody or work on right now.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Calm, just feeling more grounded and calm in my responses.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Nice an area in your life that you're trying to
grow and healing right now. Love, h and can you
finish this sentence? Confidence is not being.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
The loudest in the room. Thank you so much, thank
you so much, so wonderful, thank you.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
I'm so great the conversation and I really hope all
of you got so much from it and it helps
in your journey to becoming more confident than humans.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Thank you so much, Thank you, my love.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
That was so lovely, so great.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Thank you,