Healthy Skin 101 with Dr Noreen - What Every Woman Should Know About Her Skin (Especially Melanin-Rich ) - A Really Good Cry

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
People will say, well, I don't know how I have
malasma because I never go out in the sun. I'm
sitting in this dark room in front of my computer,
and I'm like, yeah, that's why you have malasma. The
sun is responsible for eighty percent. Mary, here's a picture
of this person who drove a truck for a living.
It looks like a grandfather and his grandson. Almost Wow,
it's dramatic.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Today we have doctor Noreen Galaria. She is a dematologist
that has been practicing for over twenty years now. She's
an expert in treating people of color.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
The number one food would be green tea doesn't just
prevent sun damage, it'll actually reverse what causes a wrinkle.
The movement.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
If you could ban one skincare product or ingredient, what
would it be and why?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
It'll be the collagen.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
How much does our collagen really go down? And I
read that it was about one percent every single year
after you hit like forty.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
If your listeners are tuning in for a really good cry,
they're about to get it. Actually, it's worse than what
you just said.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I'm Razi Wuka and on my podcast a really good cry,
we embrace the messy and the beautiful, providing a space raw,
unfiltered conversations that celebrate vulnerability and allow you to tune
in to learn, connect, and find comfort together. Hey everyone,
welcome back to this week's episode of A Really Good Cry.
Today we have Dr Noreen Galaria. She is a dermatologist

(01:16):
that has been practicing for over twenty years now. She's
an expert in treating people of color, and her Innerglow supplements,
which is internal sunscreen, just won an award for Excellence
in healthcare. And I have to add that she has
transformed my skin. I've done treatments with her and she
has been treating my skin for melasma for how many
years now.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
A couple maybe three, A couple of years.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, She's helped my mum with hers and it's pretty
much gone now. So she is such an expert and
I'm so excited to have her here because I get
so many questions about skincare and I feel like you're
the perfect person to answer it. So thank you so
much for being here.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Thank you so much, Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Okay, I want to get into it because I feel
like what I've learned most from you is about edible
skincare the idea that we can eat things that is
good for our skin. Not only that, but we can
protect ourselves from the inside. Right, So I want to
off by asking you what should we be eating for
good skin from the inside.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
So, I mean, I really believe in the concept of
food is medicine, right, But a lot of people are
like and so I guess the first thing I should
say is, if you could just eat a diet that
was so varied in colorful fruits and vegetables, you're probably
going to hit all of the major things. But if
you were like, and this is what most people ask

(02:31):
me in my office, what are like the top four
or the top five, because it's hard to do everything
right for me, I would say the number one food
would be blueberries. So blueberries are a food that are
really really jam packed with skin protective properties. And if
I can go a step further, I would say buy wild,

(02:51):
organic blueberries because that thick skin on the outside of
a blueberry really packs like a very powerful antioxidant punch.
And if I would choose a second thing, I'd probably
say green tea, specifically macha, because green tea doesn't just
prevent sun damage it'll actually reverse. So we even have
evidence now that if you have pre cancers from the sun,

(03:14):
it'll reverse those early stages. So green tea is I mean,
some people hate the taste, but if you can incorporate
it into a smoothie or I'm not a big fan,
I put in my smoothies at lunchtime, it really is
very very helpful. And the other things I guess would
be probably I would say turmeric and ginger are easy
to incorporate, amazing anti inflammatories, great for skin glow. And

(03:38):
probably tomatoes.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh, really, tell me more about that, because from what
I've heard with tomatoes, they sometimes can be inflammatory. I'm
fast and coolse things like roseatia or you know, skin irritation.
So tell me more about that.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Because so you know, like so much of foods medicine,
it kind of depends on what you're doing with it.
So there's something called lechipen tomato that really has very
very good skin antioxiden properties, but it's best when you
cook it. Okay, So like if you're gonna do tomatoes,
do it in a sauce, do it in a stew
or something. But the licopen is not as strong if

(04:13):
you're eating them fresh.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yes, you know, I've heard there's a little trick that
you can do when it comes to tomatoes, especially if
you get acidity or affects your skin. You take off
the skin and you take out the seeds. Yes, and
it actually but is the lycopene in the skin, well.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
No, you can actually get it on the inside too,
which is why the simmering helps.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yes, so if you take out the skin and the seeds,
that actually reduces the inflammatory properties of it. So that's
a cheap way of kind of getting tomato. And if
it affects you, yes, okay. Those are such easy, inexpensive
things to add into.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Your easy, so easy. And blueberries I always say, you know,
buy the frozen. I know they're not always in season, right,
but that is something like I keep wild organic blueberries
in my freezer at all times. And so yeah, a
lot of these things are very accessible.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Since you told me that, my morning smoothie is usually
my vanilla protein powder, a teaspoon of matcha and blueberries,
frozen blueberries, and it's so great.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
And I do something similar, but I add a kind
of a knob of ginger into mind too. If you
can tolerate the kick you just get that extra pines.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
That's so good. And what you said about frozen blueberries,
my dad actually used to have farms and they used
to He told me that when you actually freeze fruits
and vegetables from the moment they're picked, actually they're often
better in nutrient value the fruits and veggies that we have,
especially if they're out of season. So if these blueberries
have been grown and picked and then frozen, the nutrient

(05:39):
value are far better when they're in season and fresh
from the farm. Then the stuff that we sometimes get.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
I mean, because what you're getting at the grocery store
sometimes has you know, boarded a truck and then boarded
a plate, and I mean by the time you get it,
it was picked like weeks ago, you know. And so yeah,
if you can get something that's frozen almost as farm
to table, yeah, like it really is much pressure.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
You know what. When you were saying that, it made
me think of when I get on a plane and
how I feel when I get off one and less.
That's how my.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Blue breeze is, That's how they feel.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Okay, So we talked about the good things, but tell
me what are the things that are unexpected that people
probably don't realize they're eating that are actually terrible for
their skin, Like how are people damaging their skin through
what they eat?

Speaker 1 (06:24):
So, I mean I don't know how unexpected, but processed foods, right,
I mean they're terrible, especially in this country, Like you're
from the UK. I always say Europe doesn't allow in
its yoga, Matt, what we in America allow in our food,
you know, like the colors, the additives, the preservatives, and

(06:45):
so you know this whole talk. And really whenever someone
asks me to talk, what we're talking about is anti
aging by preserving our collagen and preserving our elastin. Right,
And if you are eating a processed diet is especially
if it's high in sugar. We know sugar breaks down
you're called in an elastin. It's a process called glycation,

(07:07):
and that is probably the biggest culprit in diet that
is often hidden because it's hidden in processed foods. I mean,
I love sugar, and so it's so hard. I try
the sugar freeze. I know you recently did, like a
sugar detox. It's hard, and then I go back. But
if you can cut at least added sugar and just

(07:28):
get your sugar from fruits and things. It does have
a huge impact on your skin.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Is there anything else that you've noticed has For people
who already have skin issues when they're eating, they're noticing
flare ups or you know, issues in their skin when
they're eating.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
So it's person dependent. So I will say, like, I
don't want to give like a blanket statement, but for
some people, dairy makes a big difference, right, And so
dairy causes a lot of inflammation in people's skin, and
especially like, for example, if you're drinking milk, skin milk.
So if you are like I love milk, but I
don't know if it's maybe causing acne if you cut

(08:07):
it out for a few weeks and you think it is.
Some people can't do skin, but they can get away
with whole. And I think it's because the fat and
the milk maybe binds up the hormones. But I do
think that you know, high sugar dairy can be problematic
for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
And I feel like, you know, obviously you've helped me
treat my melasma. My mom has melasma. It's something that
I notice is more prominent in skin of color.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yes, is that true? One hundred percent. Yeah, So anybody
can get malasma regardless of your skin tone. But the
more pigment rich you are, the more the pigment will
be affected by your hormones and sun exposure.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
And other different foods for people with malasma, would you
recommend the same.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
No, I mean I think I would recommend those things
if you have malasma. I'm going to say it's really
good to bounce your hormones. Right, So if you're perimenopausal,
maybe a little bit of soy. If you're not perimenopase,
I think green tea is still important. But what I
think is really helpful is flax seed is really great
because it's hormon balancing. And then spearmint tea actually, for

(09:12):
people with malasma, spirit mint tea is really really great
at balancing your hormones. Oh wow, Okay, I'm going to
change from peppermint to spam and yeah, she changed the spearment.
I think you'll like it. And it's a lot like
when you're using food as medicine. It's not one tea
bag a day, right, because like that's just not the
way food works. Like, if you are trying to treat
something with a food, you're going to need a little

(09:33):
bit more so, like when I've had hormonal stuff in
the past, like maybe after pregnancies and things. I will
take three organic experiment tea bags, put them in my
water bottle because you don't need to brew it, and
then I'll just drink like that mint tea water through
the day, right, because what happens is it's there. It's
not like an added thing for me to do. I
was going to drink that water anyways, and so it

(09:56):
is kind of about finding ways to just incorporate it.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well, do you think on the biggest mistakes you've seen people,
especially brown people do when it comes to their skin,
because there's so much information out there.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
There's so much information and it's really so simple in
some ways. I think the biggest mistake is brown people
think that their skin is really hearty because it doesn't sunburn.
It's so true.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
I'm like, oh, I get the best, I.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Get the best it. Yeah, So the very thing that
protects you from sunburn also will damage your skin. So
if you look at somebody who's white skinned versus brown
or black skinned, they may sunburn and they may wrinkle.
And maybe that's not the way we're going to age
right because our pigment protects us. But guess what, that
pigment when it gets damaged, it will then age us

(10:44):
in a different way. So we will get malasma and
freckles and sallow, uneven skin tone that's not bright anymore,
or maybe we become patchy. So I think people with
pigment pigmented skin always feel like my skin is not
really that delicate it and that's kind of I would say.
The one thing that I would want people to take
away is, you know, tread with caution, go slowly, slow,

(11:08):
and steady is much better than kind of aggressive treatments
because your pigment is made to respond to damage. So
if you overdo anything, you're gonna get brown.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
What are some of the best preventative mechanisms too? If
people haven't got malasma, but they know that their mom
does or runs in the family, what are some of
the best prevention tips that you have?

Speaker 1 (11:33):
So sunscreen, you know, ideally tinted sunscreen. If people take
one point away from this, I will say that you know,
the sun is responsible for eighty percent of our aging,
So if you do nothing else, don't do anything, just
put your sunscreen on. You're going to age eighty percent
better than you would have.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
And what kind of sunscreen was so.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Ideally, I like things that are mineral, and I like tinted.
So I think that tinted is nice because now we're
all in front of computers and phones and the tint
protects our pigment cells from blue light, which can also
cause malasma.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
That was something that shocked me the most way. I
need you to say that again, because I don't think
you really understand.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
I need that blows everybody's mind when they come in
because people will say, well, I don't know how I
have malasma because I never go out in the sun.
I'm sitting in this dark room in front of my
computer for fifteen hours a day. And I'm like, yeah,
that's why you have malasma. So the blue light from
computer screens from cell phones can damage your pigment cells,
especially if you're prone to malasma.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
And you know, I feel like whenever I think about
the sun, I was like, why do we make the
sun seem like it's such a bad thing? But I
feel like it's not really the sun. It's all the
pollution that the sun comes through. Yes, that ends up
affecting all because it's not really the sun, is it.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Well, it's the intensity of the UV race. I think
now you know there is We're always worried about how
much heat there is on the planet and how much UV.
But also, yes, there's much more pollution. We all carry
much more, and so all of that is also free
radical damage.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
We were together yesterday and I was like, but my
grandma never had to do any of this, Yes, like
all the treatments, all the products, and she.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Looks so beautiful, beautiful.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, it looks amazing. I was like, what's changed, Like,
why do we now have to do so much to
maintain ourselves? Do you think we do? Or do you
think that a lot of this is just overcomplicated?

Speaker 1 (13:25):
I think it's both. Yeah, right, So I will say that.
You know, since like let's say about twenty twenty, every
year has been hotter than the previous year. So like
in twenty twenty two, we were like, hey, this is
the hottest year ever recorded in the history of the world. Wow,
until twenty twenty three came along, and then twenty twenty
four came along, and now twenty twenty five is projected

(13:46):
to be the hottest year on record. No way, So
I think part of it is, yes, there is a
difference in our climate. Yes, But then I think it's
also expectations. I think, you know, we've got we've never
ever had so much visual access to our face, you know,
with selfies and you can kind of zoom in and
look at your wrinkles and look at your you know, asymmetry, whatever,

(14:07):
And so I do think expectations have changed.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
It's so true. I feel like my grandma maybe looks
herself in the morning to like do her hair, and
then she will not look at herself. She doesn't have
a phone, yeah, and she will not look at herself
again until maybe when she's brushing her teeth that night. Right,
she probably looks herself once or twice in the day.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yes, because if you're in a hurry, not even that,
not even that.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
And so I think, yeah, you're so right. You end
up seeing yourself so much more that you're you're picking
at things that you wouldn't have normally if you're not
looking at yourself in the mirror thirty times a day,
forty times a day, usually more than.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
That, sometimes more. Yeah, And you know, I see it
in my office where even girls who are eight nine
years old are coming in and asking for an anti
aging skincare boutea what? And I think it's just you know,
when you go on social media and you're that young, gosh,
you need to do nothing. I'm not even sure you
need to wash your face. Yeah, you know, you're eight
and I you're just gifted with beautiful. But I think

(15:01):
that they are watching twenty and thirty year old and
they get you know, they get nervous.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Tell me about anti aging products. Okay, as you mentioned,
just mentioned that, and what are some of the ingredients
that you're like, this is absolutely not something like you
do not need this. And what are some of the
ingredients that you think people should be looking for? Okay,
your top three fads in anti aging skincare fads?

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, okay, So collagen cream number one, number one. So
collagen is a really big molecule and it just can't
get absorbed into the skin.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
So it's kind of like imagine if you've got like
the eye of a needle and you're trying to squeeze
an intact grape through it. Okay, right, it's just not
going to go through. So that I think if you're
trying to do that, then take that fad and replace
it with something like a peptide cream. So peptides are
tiny molecules that can get into the skin and they
can actually absorb. And there's a ton of peptides that

(15:59):
you can buy for like a very good price point
the ordinary Polus choice Olay. A lot of people have
peptid creams now. So if you have a colligen cream,
I want to kind of say, get rid of it.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
She maybe get rid of mine yesterday, guys, I did
I want her.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
To throw hers away and then replace it, replace it
with peptides. Yeah, because that actually can you know, go
into the inside. And then I will say, if you
have malasma, the fad you should be really careful of
is red light masks. So yeah, there's a lot of
red light stuff right now, I have to it's buzzing right,
And there's evidence that the heat of the red light

(16:35):
mask could heat up your pigment cells and create malasma.
If you don't have malasma, you're probably fine. You spent
your millions of dollars, you're okay, you know, But if
you have malasma, don't use it on your face. And
if you bought it and you're thinking, oh my god,
what do I do with this thing put on your head,
So there is some good evidence for hair growth, but
I would say don't put on your face if you're

(16:56):
a malasma problem. Another ingredient, I think that an ingredient
people are really scared of actually is retine, and that
to me is like the fountain of youth. Oh, I
will use retine till the day I die. Really because
it gets in, it plumps your collagen, it builds your skin.
If you have acne, it prevents acne. And you know

(17:19):
what happens is when people put it on, you initially
get dry and irritated because it is getting rid of
those top layers. And so people are like, oh, this
is the name of my skin. This is maybe making
my skin weaker. It's not. It's strengthening from below. But
it will get rid of those top layers and you
have to go slowly. But I think that that is
something people do not give, you know, kind of tode

(17:42):
like respect to Is.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
It something people can just use every single day. They
just have to use different strengths depending on that es.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
So I always say build up, start with over the counter,
and then slowly prime your skin to move up and strength.
So even when people come in, you know, especially people
who are my age. Right, if you're a little older,
you're going to have less oil on your skin. And
so I start them over the counter, and then I
slowly progress up to like a prescription product.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
One thing that I remember you told me about my
malasma that shocked me was I was doing a lot
of hot yoga, yes, and hot pilasses, and you're like, okay,
if you are going to do it, you need to
cool your skin down after. So is that link to heat?

Speaker 1 (18:19):
It is so if you think of your pigment cell
as the goal of it being that it's meant to
protect you. If you get too much sun, your pigment
will darken for protection. If you get too much heat,
your pigment will darken for protection. If you get too
much steam, if you get too much red light. And
so it's doing its job. It's like poor thing. It's
like we're like, why are we darkening? It's because that

(18:41):
is how it protects you. And so if you do
do hot yoga or you're steaming or in asana, cool
yourself down, you know, after you're done, just so that
pigment cell can you get a little.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Relief yeah, and you recommended this really great just hydration spray, Like, yeah,
pulling spray that worked really well. So I haven't been
doing it hot yoga as much now, but when I do,
I definitely use.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
That spray, right.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
You know, there are so many treatments where you can
go to people to get things done, whether it's like
facials or micro kneeling or you know, all of the things.
There are so many treatments the vampire facial. What are
some of the ones specifically for people of color that
they should either be avoiding or are there some treatments
that you really recommend that people should get done to

(19:24):
help protect and maintain their skin.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
So I think you know, when you're talking about pigment
rich skin, rich skin, it's we can do most everything,
but you just have to tone down the intensity of
it because the pigment cells are so responsive to trauma
or damage. Like if you think about somebody who gets
like a pimple and they've got darker skin, you're going
to leave a brown spot just from the trauma of

(19:47):
a pimple.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Help mine, it's on my face and I was like,
it's just gonna is. We did an acid pill yesterday.
Everyone it was the first time I've done it.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's your first one.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
I was like, well, this get rid of this little
spot that's left on my face.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Not that best, and so I think, you know, we
just have to sometimes it's very much a matter of
slow and steady wins the race with pigmented skin. And
so I think what I would say is, I've never
had a facial, and if you love them for relaxation,
do it. But if you are trying to get a

(20:20):
lot of benefit, unless you're maybe extracting or something, I
don't think a facial is super necessary at a lot
of things that you see out there are just variations
on a theme. Right, So if you've got pigmented skin
and you can find somebody who knows how to treat
pigmented skin. I think peels are great for people with
brown skin. I think micro needling is great. But have

(20:44):
I seen side effects from both in brown skin? Yeah,
in the wrong hands. You know, a little too much trauma,
a little too strong, and acid will absolutely scar you.
So I do think, you know, tread with caution.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yes, I've noticed that. You know, I've had quite a
few friends who've gone to people who aren't used to
treating pigmented skins and they use the wrong acids, They
treat it a little bit too hard, and then they're
either got scarring them, melasma shows up even more. It
can be pretty traumatic. So I guess you need to
make sure you're going to somebody who has who's expert

(21:18):
in specifically pigmented skin.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yes, And he's same with lasers, right, I've seen a
lot of damage from lasers that you know. Sometimes somebody
will come in having had a laser or even appeal somewhere,
and it may take me nine to ten months to
get their skin not even sometimes back to normal, but
to a point where they're kind of happy.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Oh wow, that's rough.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
It's rough. It's scary because you're trying to do it
so you feel better about yourself and you know you're
trying to do good for yourself exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
I read somewhere okay, because obviously there's all these anti
aging products, and so I was researching and I was like,
how much does our collagen really go down? Like do
we really lose that much collagen? And I read there
it was about one percent every single year after you
hit like forty tooth or lie.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
I mean if your listeners are tuning in for a
really good cry, they're about to get it. So the
truth is, actually it's worse than what you just said.
So after the age of about twenty five or twenty six,
we lose one percent of our collagen every year. Wow.
And so it's kind of like a movie right where

(22:24):
we push play. So from twenty five or twenty six
until you know the end of our lives, we're kind
of going to lose one percent ish a year. And
if your diet is poor and you smoke and you
get a ton of sun, well, guess what it's going
to go faster. And everything that we do in dermatology
is meant to kind of temporarily push pause right on

(22:46):
that collagen loss, and if we're lucky, maybe even push rewind.
But you know, that journey is part of aging and
it's part of the beauty of also having life experiences.
And so I always say, I think when people will
really run into problems is when they're really trying to
get back to twenty five exactly. We don't get there,
you know, Like I can make you look great for

(23:08):
your age or maybe even a little younger than your age,
but I'm not going to get you back, like I
will never look twenty five. I'll look crazy if I
do too much, but I won't to look twenty five,
you know, so true. So I think that that's and
it's okay. I mean it's the beauty of you know,
the growth and the journey too, right.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, I've been talking about this a lot with friends,
and well, one thing I will say. You have this
little technology that you used on me the first time
you saw me, Yes, And then yesterday, when I've been
practicing taking the inner Glow sunscreening, protecting my skin, doing
some of these treatments, my skin had actually aged backwards.
And so when my skin was younger than it was

(23:47):
the last time you saw me, and younger than I
actually am, you know, yes, in your actual age, yea
actual age. And so I thought that was really interesting,
not that I'm trying to look like I'm twenty again,
but that these small little things that you do, whether
it's the blueberries you're eating, whether it's protecting yourself from sunscreen.
You told me to tint my windows if you can, yes,

(24:07):
you know, if you're spending a lot of time in
the car tinting your windows. You mentioned and I did
that with my car research.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Or even on Amazon, like if somebody doesn't want to,
you know, go and spend money on the tin. You
can buy like tint just for your driver's side, like
a like a hole.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Basically it's always actually if if anybody's listening and they
look at their face, for me, I have a lot
more pigmentation on my left side, you do, which is
towards the window of the car, than I do on
my right side, and so you really notice, you know,
if you look at it in that way, you really
see the difference of the sun facing side versus or not,
which is incredible.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
It's incredible. And in general in America, because we're you know,
left sided driver's side, people age about twenty percent faster. Wow,
one side, one side. And I'm going to send you
a picture. There's a picture of this person who drove
a truck for a living that gets passed around between dermatologists.
It looks like a grandfather and his grandson. A most wow.
Because you know, pre tinted windows, it's dramatic.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Okay, it's dramatic tinting windows. Yeah, you can get the
cute ones of Amazon is all one? Yeah, are the
foods for collagen boosting the same as the ones that
you mentioned earlier. Are there anything else specific that you recommend?

Speaker 1 (25:15):
So definitely, if you're trying to boost your collagen, you're
looking at you know, berries, not s, leafy greens. If
somebody is pescatarian or eats fish, then definitely fish or
especially the skin of the fish is very high in
collagen peptides. If you're vegetarian, I would say, then you're
looking at things like probably let's see flax seed, things

(25:35):
with high omega, yes, avocados, you know, even soy is
very helpful. And then you know, there's a couple of
specific things. So one of the things that is in
our innerglow age defense is a bark that comes from
a tree in the south of France. It's called pignogenoal
and this it's just like pristine little forest in the

(25:56):
south of France that doesn't have herbicides and pesticides. And
when they test that bark from that forest, they see
that it actually will not just protect your collagen but
help build it back. Wow, and it's very good for malasma.
So we've seen that actually it can help to even
treat malasma. So that's one of the ingredients we put
into our innerglow age defense because it's hard to get.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
And then likewise, there's a fern in there called polypodium,
which actually South Americans used to brew as a tea
for you know, thousands of years because they lived on
the equator and they needed sun protection and you know,
they didn't have sunscreen, right, and so we know that
people who take this in it's like they get this
internal sunscreen. So you know, I will never say use

(26:41):
this instead of sunscreen, right, I will always say parent.
But there are benefits to taking the fern that are
beyond what sunscreen does, because it'll undo free radical damage.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
It's so beautiful that nature just has everything that our
body needs, Like whenever I had things like I know,
I'm like in France, in South America, all these plants
and box and all these things that have been around
for thousands and thousands of years that obviously people are
now hearing about again. But they've been around for so long.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
They've been around, and you know, it's more about just
kind of discovering how people in certain areas use them,
like we were in the Galapagos recently and in the
High altitude. You know, they chew on cocoa leaves, like
I think that's what cocaine comes from. And they were like, oh, miss,
if you're feel like a little lightheaded, you can chew
on this. And I was like do I okay? But

(27:31):
I said to my husband, I was like, you know,
what's fascinating is that this plant naturally grew in a
place where people would get altitude sickness, or like this
fern from South America polypodium, you know, it grew at
the equator. Like it just it's really beautiful.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Right, even if you think about Indian culture and the
spices and the heat that is that whether it's tumork
you're mentioning.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yes, or ginger like all of these things, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
They exist in the place that they need to. I
even remember when I would go in forest walks with
my family and you'd get stung by something. There was
these things called dock leaves that you used to live
next to it, yes, and it's like there would literally
be the weed that can harm you and the plant
that can heal you next tos to each other. It's
just it's beautiful. It just reminded me of that. I
was like, this is beautiful. Nature never fails to amaze

(28:19):
me every single day, especially when I hear things like this,
And it also reminds me that we don't actually need
so much more than what nature provides. You just have
to learn the qualities of the food that you're eating.
Like you knew that, yes, we knew that blueberries had antioxidant, right,
But if you take time to learn about each ingredient
that you're eating, you'll notice what defense it's creating for
you in your body, what it's healing in your body.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yes, and I and you know, And I think that's
a really good point because the things I recommend to
one patient based on what they need to heal, right,
it's different from somebody else. So for example, if somebody
comes in and they have trouble managing their sugar, well,
I'm going to recommend a lot of cinnamon because we
know that cinnamon is really good for a blood sugar control.

(29:00):
But if they have hormonal issues, maybe I'm going to
recommend spearmint tea. And if they're really sunsensitive, maybe this polypodium. Right.
So I do think there are some really good general guidelines.
But then if you're trying to use food as medicine,
treat the thing that you need to treat, right, because
I think a lot of times the mistake people a
lot of people make is just they're kind of listening

(29:21):
to what somebody else is using and it may not
be ideal.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
No exactly, And I think that's a responsibility that we
have to take ourselves to learn our body and then
learn the foods that we're putting into our body and
that relationship that we have between the two. I want
to go into botox because obviously living in La all
it every day, tell me what it really does and

(29:44):
why it's seen as a preventative.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Okay, So botox is a tiny little purified protein that
we take out of a bacteria, and that bacteria is
the same bacteria that causes botulism, yes, right, which is
why people are so afraid of it, as they should,
because nobody wants to inject botulism.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
You know it's a neurotoxin, right, Yes, it's a neurotoxin.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
But if you take this little purified protein out and
you put it specifically into a muscle that is creating
a wrinkle, it will temporarily decrease the activity of that muscle.
So for example, if you're always frowning and you've got
these lines, Well, if I put a little bit of
botox into the you know we call the belly of
the muscle right there, what it will do is it

(30:29):
will kind of weaken the action of that muscle so
that it's not strong enough to make the lines.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
I know.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Oh, and so that's really what botox is doing. It
lasts for three to six months. So you know the
problem with botox, and the reason you're always hearing about
it is it's not like a you know, like a
facelift where somebody goes once and they're done right. People
are going in several times a year to their dermatologists
to get this done. And there is evidence that if

(30:54):
you stop the excess movement of the muscle, then you
won't get those extrinkles lines. So it's preventative just because
if you can get it before you have wrinkles, then
you don't make the renkles the same way.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Oh, of interest, because obviously you've been seeing patients for
over twenty years now, this is genuine question. I'm just intrigued.
Do you notice excess of obsession over their looks for
people who are trying to get a lot of these
treatments versus someone who isn't like the people who are
fixated on getting those things done regularly or like trying

(31:27):
to fix the aging on their face. Yes, do you notice,
you know, a trend in happiness, satisfaction, contentness, all of
those things when you when you meet them, because obviously
it's dermatoigies to talk about so much when.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
You're yes, yeah, I mean, and you know, and as
we're doing stuff, we talk to our patients, so especially
over twenty years, you really get to know them. I mean,
I think in the older people, like if people are
starting a little later in life, they're genuinely, you know,
just trying to age gracefully, right, right. And I love
when people come in and they say to me, Okay,

(32:01):
what would you recommend because a lot of people come in,
and especially the younger subset will sometimes come into me
and say, okay, I need and it's like a laundry list, right,
And that can get dangerous because I do feel, like,
you know, I've got four teenagers, so I see it
in their subset too, where there's really this focus on

(32:22):
kind of the outward beauty at the expense of inner
beauty sometimes right, Like so, you know, my kids will
sometimes say to me, mom, like, what is my aesthetic?
Like am I like I know, clean girl or cottage core,
you know. And I'll be like, we can describe that
to me. And they'll say like, well, clean girl aesthetic
is like I don't know, you carry as Stanley and

(32:43):
you you know, work out and you don't wear very
much you know, jewelry or makeup. And I'll say, well,
what about the inside, like what about like are you altruistic?
Are you empathetic? Are you you know, what's your self worth?

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Like?

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Right? And so I will say we're one of the
practic says that do sometimes, you know, really discourage people
from getting a lot of procedures because I don't want
someone to think a procedure will make them happier, right,
it won't. You have to do the self work. And
I think people who are like well if I was
just a little more this, like if this was just

(33:16):
a bit this or this was just a bit that
I would be so much happier. Those people always find
that that's not true, you know. So I think I
want to make people look and feel their best, and sometimes,
you know, sometimes that ends in me saying hey, why
don't we talk to somebody about X, Y or Z
and then let's circle back to this.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
You know, that's a really good point. No, I appreciate
what you shed on that, actually, because I think there's
such a fine balance between it. It's like, Okay, I'm
going to get this done and it's going to be
out ofside, out of mind. But then am I watching
for it to like leave my face or the next
time I have to do it? And it can sometimes
become a cycle that I've seen people get into writing.
There's a fine balance between the desire to upkeep but

(33:57):
then the desire to continuously like look a specific way,
and really it can really take.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Over and find somebody also, I will say to your
listeners who will say no to you, yes, you know,
because you don't want somebody who's like okay, okay, because
the problem you know, because that you know, really trust
the expertise of the person doing it. You know, sometimes
people will come in and they'll say, well, I really
don't like this line, and I'll say, okay, well I'm

(34:25):
not going to feel that because actually what you really
need is you need some filler up here, because your
face is falling or it's sagging, you know, And so
I will say, find somebody who you trust enough to
trust the process, right.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
I agree. I had a question about hair removal because
obviously there's laser, hair removal, micma planing, all those. What
are the best ways for people to remove hair without
damaging the skin.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
So I think if you're you know, if you're looking
at temporary hair removal, right, then I think waxing, threading,
derma planing are okay again in the right hands. Right,
if you're prone to malasma, well, wax that's too hot
can create malasma, you know. And also I've seen people

(35:14):
come in because they have these superficial burns because the
wax goes on and when it comes off, like you're burned,
you know. And derma planing can remove kind of a
protective layer. So if you're going in the sun, you
can get more malasma. But they're all in the right hands.
Great temporary methods, even like bleach, like you know, the
kind of it's a cream bleach that people use for
their upper lip. Laser is more permanent hair reduction. We

(35:36):
don't say hair removal because if your hormones change, you
get pregnant, you get on birth control, well that can
stimulate more hair growth, right, But if you're going to
do it, there are you know, there's tons of different
types of lasers, but there's kind of two main crystals
or two main types of light we use, and the
one I use on white skin I never use on

(35:56):
brown skin. So with lasers, they are very safe in
the right hands. But if somebody has one machine and
they are cranking out all their hair removal with that machine,
well ask which one it is. So, like the short
form of it is, there's an ALEX laser that's great
for white skin, There's an NDAG laser that's the name
of a crystal that's great for brown skin. And so

(36:17):
like I would say, if people are listening, they come
under a lot of brand names like tissue could be
Cleanex or Puffs or Scotties, right, but you're looking for
probably an NDAG laser and make sure the person that
you go to knows how to treat brown skin and
can treat you with that basic crystal.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
That's so useful to know. Yeah, yeah, that's something I
think many people probably wouldn't know to ask. Right looking
into getting hair removal.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
I don't think that people do. They'll just kind of
go in and you know, like we have, for example,
multiple machines with both, right, because we're treating many skin types,
and you know, a place that does a lot will
have both. But you just want to make sure they
know which one to choose for you.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yes, okay, tell me about your skincare routine because you
are so much like the epitome of the example of
what anyone want their skin to look, all right, so
you need to tell everyone what is the ideal skincare
routine in terms of layering skincare and also the products
you need, because there are too many out there and
people don't know what they're doing with them, all the
nice sidamide and.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yes, there's all the things. There are so many products.
So yes, I will tell you what I do. And
I will start by saying, I'm not a big believer
in spending a ton of money on things like your moisturizers,
your sunscreens, your cleansers. A cleanser is on your face
for like ten seconds, so you're literally like, if you
buy like one hundred dollars cleanser, you're literally washing that

(37:37):
money down the dream. Right, So do.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
You think the ingredients differ though at all, between the
cheaper ones and the more expensive ones.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
So for active ingredients, yes, and so if you're doing
a moisturizer, a cleanser, a sunscreen by the drugstore variety,
if the place to put your money is into your.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Active ingredients, could you explain to people what active ingredients me?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Absolutely so? Like for example, for me, I wash my
face with Dove soap. I've done Dove soap for like,
I know, since I was probably in my teens, and
it worked. I just never left it. But any drugstore
cleanser like a seed to fill or you know whatever,
and they make different ones right for oily scan or
for dry skin. So I wash my skin with Dove.
I put a vitamin C serrum on my face every morning.

(38:18):
And to answer kind of the second part of your question,
when you're layering things, you want to go from thinnest
to thickest. Okay, So, vitamin C cerrums tend to be thinner.
They absorb first, So I put my vitamin C cerrum
on and then I do a sunscreen on top. If
I'm doing that morning routine, I will not spend money
on my cleanser, and I won't spend money on my sunscreen,

(38:39):
it won't be expensive. But my vitamin C. I'm going
to get a really good quality one. So I use
the one that we have in our office, and I
rotate summer and winter depending on the thickness. But you know,
I'm going to look for something that is a really
high potency vitamin C. And the process that you have
to go to go through to really stabilize and extract

(38:59):
vitamins it's expensive. And so you know your active ingredient,
your vitamin C, for it be for it to be
really potent, I mean start with over the calendar, especially
if you're in your twenties or your thirties. But when
you get to fifty, I mean you know, that's when
you're probably gonna spil urge on your good quality vitamin C.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Right these there are a percentage that people should be like.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
I like twenty. I think over the calendar, there is
a lot of fifteens that are really good. Twenty is
kind of, you know, twenty twenty plus is what you're
getting often in you know, kind of higher end skincare.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Okay, so you get your cleanser, your vitamin C.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
And my sound screen and then I take the interglow
age defense every day because I can't get all those
antioxidants in right on a daily basis. And there's some
like we talked about, like the bark and stuff. I'm
just not going to get that on a daily basis.
So I know that gives me not just the antioxidants
I need, but the building blocks to build good skin.

(39:51):
And then the evening I wash with dove again and
then I put on a retine and I put on
ceed to fill body cream okay on my face, and
so that's kind of my base routine. If I'm if
it's at the end of summer and I notice a
lot more freckles or I notice, you know, pigmentation changes
because obviously pigment rich skin at the end of summer,
you're going to see it. Then I will rotate in

(40:12):
different things. So might I put in something like niceinemide
or cojak acid or you know other lightners just to help, yes,
and I will then layer those in at night usually.
But that's you know, my base routine that you'll always
see me doing is this, and then you know, I'll
tweak it. And that is how I treat my patients too.
Like we kind of have a summer routine and we

(40:33):
have a winter routine sometimes and you've seen that in yourself.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, well, cochaic acid is something that I recently bought.
I bought the cochic acid, So tell me about it
because I feel like I'm seeing it go viral lately
and I'm intrigued about what the why it's going so viral.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
So it's a it's a lightner, it's you know, part
of a lot of discolouration serums. You actually have it
in some of your products already. I think that you know,
everything has its moment on social media, right and so
in and of its self, is it amazing for your skin? No,
it's part of the process. So might I put it
into something, you know, along with Nica, Cinemai and along

(41:09):
with a couple of other things, Like there's a dermatologist
who's recently made a very nice discoloration serum, manebue Shah,
and he it's called Remedy. It's a discoloration serum and
he incorporates a lot of different ingredients into it, which
I like. So if you're using something like that, you
know in the winter months to lighten discoloration, that's great,
But I think it's it's part.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
It's you know, it's it's part of the process. Yah,
hyaluronic acid. Do we need it in all products? Because
I feel like lots of things up.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah. So I think the reason hyaluronic acid had its
moment is because it's a great moisturizer. But when we
use filler, filler is healuronic acid. So yeah, so we
it would can inject halonic acid into people's skin. So
the reason people try to put into skincare is the
same reason people are trying to do collagen in Skincarehaluronic
acid will absorb, it'll plump your skin, will make you

(42:00):
look good. But at the end of the day, it's
just a moisturizer.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Oh okay, fine, good. So do you need a hyaluronic
acid plus do would you use a serum plus the
moisturizer plus another moisturizer or would they kind of be
the same thing?

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Sometimes the same thing. It depends on your skin. So
if someone's really oily, for example, or doesn't need a
lot of moisture, sometimes a heuronic acid alone is sufficient.
If someone needs kind of layers of protection or layers
of you know, prevention for dryness.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, I'll sometimes layer them oily oils. Uh huh oils
on your skin. Do we love them or do we
hate them?

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Depends? Okay, okay, So I think again, this is like,
choose what's right for you. Right, So, if you're really dry, well,
you're gonna love like rose hip oil or Maroula oil
because it's really moisturizing. Yes, But if you're oily, guess
what that's gonna break you out. So then maybe you're
gonna choose like squalene or jojoba. So yeah, I mean
oils are great. They're a moisturizer like hundreds of other

(42:57):
moisturizers we have, but again, pick the right wine.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yes. I was using oils a lot, and then suddenly,
when my skin started changing, I noticed my pores were
getting a lot more clogs, and I was noticing breakouts
in certain areas and I was wondering why, and I
was like, oh, maybe it's the thick layer of oil
that I put on my skin, like defry myself before
I go to sleep. So I reduced that and the
spots through on my nose and stuff started going away.
So it's so true. It's just like anything else, you

(43:21):
really have to adapt as you see, Like you can't
do the same thing for your whole life.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
You have to change as we change. I think we
have to change our skincare and it's not one size
fits all.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Are there any cool DIY like at home masks that
you ever make? Are there? Because you know that's another
trend that's so popular. It was like DIY at home masks,
Any that you really love that you think people should
be putting into their masks if they're making them at home.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
So you know, masks again something that if you love them,
do them if you're doing great skincare, Like do I
do masks? No? I don't. But do I have any
issue with masks? Not at all. So when people ask
me what do I like for DIY masks, I like
turmeric and yogurt masks. I think they're great at brightening,
they're great at moisturizing. They can really soothe irritated skin.

(44:08):
I also like Manuka honey because it is antibacterial, it's
anti you know, it's anti inflammatory. And if you're choosing
Manuka honey, see if you can get the ump certified
Manuca right, it's just a little more authentic I'm going
to say. And so, yeah, I like those as.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Masks at home tools.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Tools, so wands, rollers, guascha, all of that. I think
that it's not really building collagen probably okay, But what
it's doing is when you do that, it's essentially like massage,
So you are improving your circulation, you are improving lymphatic drainage.
So I think it has its place depending on what

(44:51):
you're trying to accomplish.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Okay, yeah, I redefined it helps with the lymphatic drainage. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
I think that's the biggest thing.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yes, you really notice if you're a bit puffy, if
you've woken up a bit puff. I find I leave
some of my rollers in the freezer and kind of
roll them out, and it does brighten and just give
you a bit of a tighter feeling in the morning
for sure.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Yeah. And I think if somebody wants kind of another
DIY tip, a really great tip is you freeze green
tea into little ice cubes and if you roll those
on your face, not only does that deep path, but
it's great for under ice circles if you've had a
long night, and the caffeine in it actually will decrease puffiness.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Oh my gosh, I'm going to do that. From now
you can just freeze them into ice cubes. Yeah, maybe
even like little ice lolly or amazing.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, if you could do it ice lolly.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to try that.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Yeah, the popsipar skin.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Okay, I'm going to go into some questions that people
have been asking because I basically put it out there
to everyone if they had any questions for you, If
you had to pick one skincare portic that every brown
person should have, what should it be?

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Sounds green?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
That Okay, I get a point for that too, that's right.
How to reduce dark circles around your eyes?

Speaker 1 (46:04):
That's hard, right. So dark circles have so many causes.
It can be genetic, it can be aging. Allergies are
a big cause, and then just lifestyle like smoking, stress,
lackless sleep. If it's allergies, we can do wonders with
things like allergy medicine because you can get rid of
the kind of that blue purple coloration for the rest

(46:26):
of it. I think discolouration serums are important, Vitamin c's
are important. I think people who have a lot of
dark circles really benefit from seeing dromatologists, to be honest,
because I can mix up things. They're just not available, right,
you know, over the counter and so there. And but
if you've lost a lot of volume, maybe you need
procedures that right.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, I feel like I used to have them, but
then when I started using I don't even know what
took them away. I definitely had darker circles when I
was younger. Yeah, maybe I'm just getting more sleep now.
Maybe maybe I'm just getting better quality sleep. If you
could f one skincare product or ingredient, what would it
be and why.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
It would be? The collagen? Yeah, I just feel like that.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Stop taking people's money.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Stop taking people's money.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Exactly What does clean skincare actually mean? Like when you
see clean skincare, what are they actually trying to tell us?

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Okay, so that is kind of a marketing term. There's
no real definition. So I'm gonna tell you, like when
you go if I took you to I don't know
CBS or something, right. Clean can mean I am vegan,
or it could mean I just am made of sustainable ingredients,
or it can mean I don't have chemicals, or can

(47:39):
mean none of it it's whatever definition the maker wants
to give it.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
No, so is there no regulation?

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Is zero regulation for clean? So do not pick up
a product because it's clean, because somebody might be taking
your money. Not always right. Some people are really trying
to tell you, hey, we've worked hard, we have sustainable,
eco friendly packaging, we are free of chemicals, are vegan,
cruelty free. But there's no definition. There's a lot of
stuff out there that is none of that, and they're

(48:05):
labeling it as clean.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Oh I did not know that there's no regulations.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
For that, and so I will say focus on ingredient transparency, right,
take a look at the ingredients and see what's in it,
and you know, and it is about being in a
formed consumer because this is one thing I learned is
you know, I'm using certain things because I was trained
in this. But when I see my patients, I see

(48:30):
that you know a lot of people are really being
preyed on.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah, definitely, and it is. It's frustrated every industry, yeah,
but especially I feel the skincare industry and especially women.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Especially women and especially young women, like you know, women
who are in their twenties are being made to feel
like boy, if you don't start a B and C now,
like there's just no hope for you now, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
All right, so clean is not clean? Guys, that was
a shock for me. I asked you this already is expensive.
Skincare really better than drugstore ones for active ingredients. Yeah, arians,
what's worse for your skin? Fast food or alcohol?

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Okay? So okay, they're both bad, right, I will say
fast food is much worse in the short term, So
it's going to dehydrate your skin. You're gonna be puffier.
It can lead to inflammation like all those hyhgallycemic index foods. Right,
you can get food before and you wake up you
know it. The next day your skin will be telling you.
It'll tell you. Yeah. But in the long run, alcohol

(49:28):
is much worse. So alcohol will break down your collagen, oh,
much like sugar. So what will happen is over the
years if you're you know, drinking, we not only know
that speeds up your aging, but also there's some really
good evidence now it causes a lot of cancer. So yeah,
I mean, I would say if you were gonna only
try I mean moderation and everything, but alcohol's worse.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
If I was spending thirty days to clear my skin
and get glowy skin. What should we eat all the
things that we've already spoken about, Yes, and I.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Will all so say. You know, people come in all
the time like I'm getting married in thirty days. I've
got problem and thirty days whatever, Like what do I do?
And I'm like, oh God, can you give me forty five?

Speaker 2 (50:09):
You know? Okay?

Speaker 1 (50:10):
So I will say our entire skin replaces itself about
every forty five days. The older you get, like maybe
you're placing it forty five, Maybe I'm replacing closer to
seventy because the older you get, the slower your skin
renews itself. But if you have about forty five days
and you do everything we've talked about you, one thing

(50:31):
we didn't talk about actually is you do strength training,
because strength training is really good at building colligen But
you do all the antioxidants, you take the supplements, and
then maybe we're renewing your skin from the top with
certain products. You will absolutely see a difference.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Thirty days, no sugar, No sugar, so blueberries, lots of
green tea, yes, exercise, sleep, exercise, sleep, yeah, sunscreen.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I mean the stuff that's good for you on the inside.
Guess what, it's also good for you on the outside, right,
So the skin is really true the window to the inside.
And so whatever we're doing on the inside, I think
it often shows first in our skin always.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
And so I've had one full day of hydrating myself
really well, ye and if I have one day, even
half a day, where I haven't drunk enough water, I
will see it on my skin straight away. Your skin
tells you so fast where the things I'm working or
not working. What's the best anti aging trick that isn't
botox retine retine? Yes, okay, truth or myth? Using banana

(51:31):
appeal on your face brightens and lightens dark spots.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Okay, truth ish okay, okay it So there's some antioxid internet,
there's potassium. There are certain things that may brighten your skin,
but it's gonna be really slow. So it could you
get much faster improvement with like a vitamin C serrum.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yes, okay, flax seed masks m m.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Truth. Yeah, they work. They've got legnans in them, They moisturize,
they soothe irritated skin with the omega three.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeakay, we like them. You already said it's a raw
manuca honey mask.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yes, drinking chlorophyl water can clear up acne. Eh No,
not really, Okay, tell me why chloroful water is a thing.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
I think that it has some benefits for gut help, yes,
and so and so people feel like if you clear
the gut, you know, the gut skin connection is real, right,
and so I think that that's where that comes from.
But I've seen a lot of people try it and
if they really have a lot of acne, we need
to do other things.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yes, sea moss also good. Yes, Yeah, I like sea
mass me too. I've been taking actually just like a
tablespoon in the morning. Yeah, And I think it's a
mixture between gut, vitamins, minerals, like it's such a nutrient dense.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
What do you think of the taste?

Speaker 2 (52:51):
I mean it's horrible.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Yeah, but I have one.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I have one which has like berries and blueberries put
into it. Okay, and you just take a tablespoon of
it and I just got afterwards. But it is so
rich invistimins, minerals, amigas. It's just like it's got a
lot going on. You can shrink your pores with certain
skin care products.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
So poor size is genetic, So technically no, but if
I can give you certain things like AHA's retine, I
will clean out your pores and I will tone them
so they look tighter.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Okay, so you're born with your poor size guys, Yeah,
sorry to say.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
But but you can improve it. You can improve the
look of it.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Right, good to know natural skin care products always better
for your skin than synthetic ones.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
What does that mean? Okay, that is also kind of
like clean skincare. Right, So again focus on ingredient transparency.
And I'm a little bit wary of natural because sometimes
natural means not tested, oh or not scientifically proven. Like
I'll give you an example from my own life. When
my kids were young, we used to use a lot

(53:56):
of lavender on the girls for example. Everyone's like, it's
you know, you give it to you put on them
and their bath, you put on them and their creams.
It's really good for sleep. We use a ton of lavender,
and now we know that lavender in a baby boy,
for example, increases breast size. So sometimes natural things, if

(54:16):
they haven't been tested, they can do harm. Right, because
all of nature does provide medicine, and if you don't
know how you're using it tread with caution.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
It's exactly the same as using medical grade things.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yes, you have to.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yeah, you have to learn how to use it.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Okay, So this is random thought that I just had.
What if someone was using like just olive oil on
their skin for their whole life versus you know, obviously
protecting themselves. But what if they were using everything that
nature provided, like olive oils, avocados, like that kind of
thing on their skin versus using products.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
So I think that some of that will depend on
is there a problem to treat? Right, Like, if you
have acne, that's not going to work for you, right,
If you are really dry and you need the hydra,
that might be a great routine, right. And sometimes the
benefit of a scientific ingredient is it's kind of like
the banana peel versus vitamin C. Right, how fast are

(55:10):
you really going to get improvement? And what improvement are
you looking for?

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Great answer? Facial exercises can prevent sagging and wrinkles.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Okay that's kind of a myth, guys, is it? Yes?
Because imagine what causes a wrinkle the movement. So if
you're like I'm going to work out my you know,
my elevens. Well, they're going to be deep by the
time you're done.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Okay, guys, to just sit there with a zo expect
if you want to prevent you're just gonna just sit
there and do not laugh, do not cry, no, like,
just sit in darkness.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Well, but what like we were saying yesterday, isn't it
beautiful to see like, you know, the laughlines and the
crow speed like it is. I mean, you you see
people have lived a great life.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
So no, but that's so funny. Yeah, you see all
these people doing these wild exercises online.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
So they're trying to to their muscle, and that might help.
But we don't really need like to build muscle on
our right right. We need to protect our skin from
a gut.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
We don't need bicep cheeks. What can someone with csoriasis
do to heal their skin and guts? Is it a
skin thing or more.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Of a gut thing?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
It's both, It's both.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Ciriasis is very much a full body thing. Diet wise,
I always say that there's you know, there's certain things
you can do. High vitamin D okay makes a big difference.
Cutting out alcohol makes a difference. Omegas and probiotics make
a difference. But I will also say in germatology, probably
the fastest growing field issoriasis treatment. So if somebody hassoriasis,

(56:40):
come in and see somebody, because there's so much we
can do. There's so much we can do now how
to get rid of blackheads? So do I mind extractions?
I don't, you know, done carefully? If you don't, if
you're you know, like we were saying, if you squeeze,
you might get a dark spot. But things like AHA's
and retine actually help a lot.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Great. Does icing the face actually reduce swelling?

Speaker 1 (57:03):
It can?

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yeah, yeah, great help for roseatia? What is roseesia? Where
does it come from?

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Roseaesia is often genetic, but also comes from the sun.
So roseesiha, unlike molasma, roseaesia is what more fair people get.
And that's because their skin is so fair that their
blood vessels below are getting sun dam so you'll see
the blood vessels will open up. These are people who
are flushers and blushers, and the blood vessels can actually

(57:31):
come to the top of the skin surface and you
can see them as lying sometimes. And so with roseaesia,
alcohol is a big no no. And then there's certain
things that will flare different people. So sometimes spicy food
is bad for certain people, sometimes hot foods. But again
it's a sun induced condition, often other than genetics. So
protect your blood vessels the same way you protect your

(57:52):
pigment cells.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Great answer. Why do my post some days look large,
super and large and some days I can't see them.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
I need? That's probably lifestyle, okay, lifestyle and maybe different mirrors. Yeah,
different mirrors. Yeah, do you have your magnifier out?

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Oh do you really need spa fifty or is thirty enough?

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Thirty is enough? So actually we're trying to get you
know ingredient labeling to just say thirty plus right, okay,
because people will be like, oh my god, doc, I
use like one hundred and fifty SPA and the difference.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Is like this, you know, so thirty plus Another slight scam. Yeah, darkknees.
Someone wants to know how to get rid of their darkknees.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Darkknees. So usually that's from like you know, rubbing or
kneeling a lot, and sometimes there's just pigments. So actually
there's a lot of like these acids great ones are
things that are called acids for rough and bumpy skin
like gold Bond has one, Citifil has one, a lot
of these drugstore varieties and if you rub that onto

(58:54):
your elbows or your knees, you'll notice it a little slightly,
you know, light in the color.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Well, there you have it. People, most of your answer
questions answered. And I feel like we've got so much
from this, like the detail that everyone really needs, because
I find with you know one, you're so expert in
this and you have intricate answers for everything, and I
think that's what people really want. Like it's hard, like
you said, it's hard to say general advice for everyone,
whereas when you get into the intricacies you really get

(59:20):
to understand your body so much better.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Thank you, You're so welcome, Thank you so much. Fun.
Thank this is so fun.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
And if you guys have any questions, you can find
doctor Noreen on Instagram. And do you have a website
for your clinic. We do.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
It's Galeria MD dot com.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yes. And then inter is just and the Inner glob vitamins.
I highly recommend you have them in capsules now as well,
don't you.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yeah, they're coming in capsules, Yeah, coming in.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Capsules, But they are wonderful. They have such great ingredients
and you know it's just great defense internally and externally,
hitting them from both sides. Thank you so much, so
excited for askincare journey to continue. And yeah, hit us
up with any questions if you have any left

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