Nicola Elliott: The 4 Areas to Focus On To Improve Your Health and a Guide to Essential Oils for Energy, Focus and Better Sleep

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We can get used to our normality being at a
high stress level and believing that that is what normality is.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
What we all want in the Western world. Is his
five things you can do to stop stress. Well, the
reality is your five things will be different to mine.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome to the pard Nicola Elliott.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
She is the.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Founder of Neon well Being and one of the biggest
wellness brands in the UK and now she's the author
of Four Ways to well Being, where she breaks down
how we can get better sleep, less stress, more energy
and the mood boost.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
What you're doing right now is setting you up for
ten years time. What you do in ten years time
is setting you up for next ten years. And so
that's the same with stress. It's wearing and tearing away
at you, just as old age does. But stress does
the same thing and you're going to notice it at
a time where it will be so much harder to
come back from.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Mostly, your body understands what feeling calm feels like. You
have an internal blueprint that your body can back exactly.
It's really important for your body to be reminded in
this fast paced world what good looks like, because if
your body understands what feeling calm, feels like then you
have a sort of blueprint that keeps your barometer working.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Essentially, I'm Radi Wlukiah and on my podcast a Really
Good Cry, we embrace the messy and the beautiful, providing
a space for raw, unfiltered conversations that celebrate vulnerability and
allow you to tune in to learn, connect and find
comfort together. Thanks so much for being here. Thank you

(01:27):
everyone for listening and coming back again to this podcast.
Have such an amazing guest today for anyone who doesn't know,
her name is Nikola. And when you come to my house,
basically there's either a scent from them. It's called Neon
by the way, there's a scent from them, or a
candle always burning in this house. And there are so
many reasons why I love it. But first I want
everyone to understand me. I'm a little bit more and

(01:49):
understand you. So give me a breakdown of how Neon
started and what brought you to this incredible company.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Thank you for the intro.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
I love that I do.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
You were two minutes intro because any we are now
you know, eighteen years old as brand. So the story
is pretty long, which is funny because I think, you know,
certainly in the States people see this as a baby brand,
but we are absolutely not a baby brand. We've been
around for since two thousand and five.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I remember seeing your candles from they were I always
help me with this. Neon was my candles where I
would go to like John Lewis and the more expensive places,
and I'd be it would be the special gift that
I would get myself or someone else, Like I wouldn't
necessarily even buy it for me and maybe buy it
for my mum or buy it for someone, but it
was for me a luxury candle to get because of
how quality it was.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
It's interesting because we actually get a lot of people
who come to Neon because it's been brought for them
as a gift, so that's always nice. So the story goes,
it was two thousand and five. I'd worked as a
journalist for eight years and I'd done celebrity, which you
know was really big back then. So I was doing
covers in New York, La London and it was brilliant,

(02:57):
really good fun. But lived on you know, very little sleep.
Three canapayes a night, thirty depending on that. But I
lived on canapees and was not looking after my health
and well being, and I think we forget that wasn't
It wasn't a word. Wellness, wasn't a word that we used,

(03:17):
not in the context that we use it now at all.
Back then, there were no health food chops. It wasn't
the norm to go to the gym. I mean, life
was incredibly different. It's really weird. Yeah, And so I
started actually having really bad anxiety, which similarly wasn't a
word that was used in the same way that it
is now. So that was even scarier because it's like,

(03:39):
what's happening A panic attack wasn't called a panic attack.
So when I started with anxiety, and funnily now, when
I look back, I think we talk about anxiety generally
coming on when something's happened in your life and there's
been some awful event. And there wasn't any awful event.
I just was doing too much. You went out, Yeah,

(04:02):
it's burnt out. And so I remember my mum saying,
you're just not looking after yourself. This is nothing more
than that. You're just not looking after yourself. You don't
see the sunlight, you don't move. What did you eat
for dinner last night? Yeah? Pasa pesto for like the
fourth night in a row. And so it was a
case of just looking after myself a bit better and

(04:23):
getting the basics right, and so as part of that
I became interested well. I actually, first of all, went
into the health food chop at the top of the
road and isn't to where I lived. I mean, it
was really crosty. I forget the name of it now,
but it certainly wasn't fresh and wild or air on
by any standards. It was like, you know, there was
two bananas in a basket. Outside the shop was ninety

(04:43):
five percent nuts, because that's all health food chops were
in those days. But at the back there was this
kind of really little essential oil collection, and I did
buy a bag of nuts and a banana, and I
also bought you know, some essential oils and thought this
is kind of interesting, and it was very open minded
about how I was going to look after myself. I

(05:03):
actually went on a courser whole foods course as well,
so became interested in nutrition and then and lastly trained
in both of those things. But it was about me,
nothing more complex than me realizing that I had reach burnout.
It was having these really awful effects on me, and

(05:24):
I just had to look after myself. And again we
talk about that in a much more I don't know,
a thoughtful way now. I suppose you know in twenty
twenty three, but back then we just didn't. So as
part of the messing around with the essential oils and
tinkering in my bathroom and creating blends, my friends all
asked me to create blends for them, And as I

(05:45):
looked around, I remember thinking my sister needed to help sleep,
my then boyfriend needed help with energy because he used
to play football and then not have any energy to
go out on a night, which was a crying shaw.
My flatmates offered with sort of hormone imbalances. And if
there was ever a light bulb for Neil, it was
really me thinking, actually, everyone I know seems to suffer

(06:08):
from one of those four well being deficits. I suppose
stress under all the ramifications of it, myself, poor sleep,
lack of it, you know, not good quality sleep, mood fluctuations,
or energy. And I thought, gosh, if everyone knew they
were the four pillars for you to sort of keep

(06:30):
in check, to look after. If everyone knew that, that
would be a game changer, and my little blends were really,
you know, a part of that toolkit that I was
creating for myself. So so that was really the thought
was to start. And then I thought, of course I
was going to start this huge beauty bandman, and I
had no money to do that, so that was never

(06:52):
going to happen. So that's why we started with four candles.
We've now got about one hundred and thirty seven skews today.
It's changing. We started with four candles because actually I
realized that to create those well being blends you had
to do them with one hundred percent natural plant toils.
Wasn't going to work. You weren't going to have the
saying benefit if you were using synthetic fragrances. And it

(07:12):
also stumbled across this fact that in the UK and
in the USA, and this has barely changed in all
that time, ninety seven percent of candles were made of
paraffin wax incentive with synthetic fragrances. So the idea was,
if we could create something that you know, when it
burned and it filled the air with the fragrance and
you breathed that fragrance in and it worked, that well

(07:32):
being benefit. Then they could be little treatments that you
could use at home. And we will very much talk
to people about creating this much richer toolkit. That will
be the mission we can help with it. But also
it was important to think about your food and your movement,
and we'll start this well being kind of movement, but
that these four, these force of tinctures that I've created,

(07:53):
these can be the kind of bedrock of it. So
it wasn't a fully formed idea, and I certainly couldn't
afford to do what I really wanted to do, But
I think the essence of what we were trying to
do is never changed in those eighteen years.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
And that's honestly why I love the brand so much.
For me, I you know, I learned so much about
how food can affect the body, and how food can
impact your mood and your energy levels and all of
the above. But people think so much more about that
than what they're putting on their body or even breathing in.
And I remember when I used to have candles on.
You know, you put them on and maybe your bedroom

(08:27):
and all the windows would be shut. I'd get such
a bad headache from the candles and inhalation of it.
And even now whenever I get candles, I'm so specific
about looking at the ingredients. But for a lot of people,
they really don't know that.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
People don't know. No, people don't know. And you know,
a paraffin WHITEX candle, which as I say, is the vast,
vast majority even luxury candles. You know, paraffine is a
crude oil driative and you're burning that in your home.
So it's a huge lack of information and knowledge about that.
And I think the real irony of it is that
people generally are buying candles to create a relaxing, lovely environment,

(09:04):
so you know. So I think it's really bizarre how
little people know. But I still find that when it
comes to the beauty industry in general, I was always
inspired by the food industry. I mean, I did traind
as and nutritionis I said at the same time as
a Roman therapist. But clearly, if you're bothered about how
you're feeling, what you're putting in your body, on your body,

(09:24):
they're all important elements and they all make a difference
to how you're going to feel. So it's the things
go hand in hand for me. But I was inspired
by the food industry and how much at that time
things were moving and people were becoming more educated and
more aware of what they were putting in their body,
and stores that were opening up and boxes that were
launching sort of to make sure that that was that

(09:48):
was being serviced. I don't think we've come anywhere near
as far in the beauty industry. And I think we
hit a really funny stumbling block when we started talking
about clean Beauty, which was a funny sort of label,
launched all these brands which were rather nice but not
really effective. Then women, because it typically is women buying
eighty seven percent of the household purchases. We're thinking, and

(10:12):
I get it. You know that face cream isn't really
working as well. The performance isn't there, the scent is
not as sophisticated. So we sort of seem to take
two steps forward and almost two steps back. Yeah, So
it's been a bit sad with beauty, and so I
always think, do your research. I'm not going to say
to you that's right, that's not right, but for goodness sake,
do your research. I agree.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
I think education is what's lacking, and so when it
comes to candles and for people who may not have
even thought about the fact that candles could be toxic.
What are the things you think people should be looking
out for when they're buying, because you know, there are
so many candles you really it's like natural story wags.
But then the fragrances are synthetic, and so could you
give a rundop maybe just a couple of things that
people should be looking for when they are buying to

(10:56):
know a good quality candle and so when they see.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
It, well, the principle is very much the same as
if you were buying, you know, a home baked organic
cookie or you know, something made in a factory. Essentially,
people are trying to cut costs where they can. They're
trying to create something with a big profit margin that
they've got control over how it turns out when they
press the button one hundred thousand. I understand that from
a business point of view. So you have to understand

(11:18):
making a synthetic candle out of paraffin, wax and synthetic
fragrances is a lot cheaper. It's also a lot easier
for me to continue producing minor pain. You know, I
have different batches of orange that looks and smells and
feels and works in one way one month and not
the next month. And I have to put in our
standard three whig candles four bottles.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Are you telling me that I was so impressed by that?
It's four bottles of essential oils, but high grade, high quality.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
First first pressed. You know, steam distilled the best essential oils.
But so you have to understand that is a pain
for understanding the principle of that you're trying to create
make money at a business. It's much easier to spend
your money on a really swanky advertising campaign and then
and then produce them. So if you understand that, then

(12:09):
you can see where people are coming from and why
you know people are producing things cheaper. It is the
vast majority that are paraffin wax, so we would always
be asking for the base to start with. There's lots
of different ways that you can make natural basis. We
use a mix. We use a mix of soy bees, rapeseed,
different oils, different waxes. But any natural base that I

(12:32):
prefer cars because it works with essential oils in the
best possible way. But you know you can use many
natural wax base and then you want to be looking
to see if the fragrance is one hundred percent natural,
because you know that the law is that you can
say this is in the UK. I think it's in
the USA, but the UK you can say a product
is natural when it's one percent natural. No way, one

(12:53):
percent one percent?

Speaker 1 (12:55):
No, Yeah, that's ridiculous. I did not know that that's
the percentage.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
So if you go back to my earlier Yeah, if
you are trying to make as much money as possible,
let's think you can chuse the system. Right, you put
some natural and you say made with natural lavender oil. Yeah,
one percent. Then the rest is ninety nine percent synthetic.
But you know aveda is natural, right, and they've said
one percent, they've said natural lavender oils.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Easy to trick people.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
It's so easy to trick people. So and there's all
these kind of clever, stroke awful things you can put
in a standard like sent boosters and some binders, which
again means you can put some amazing organic Moroccan rose
oil in, for example, and then you can say and
then it's but it's only got one percent and then

(13:42):
the rest is this kind of really harsh booster.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
So it's really what we think about with food, right, like, yeah,
how simple are the ingredients on the back of the
package when you're reading it in the same way with candles,
because I know I remember reading that with certain panels,
it's the same as secondhand smoke, Like that's how much
it's impacting your body. And it seems like such a
small thing. But every single person that I know has

(14:07):
candles in their home, and every single person that I
know has some sort of scent that they have in
the home, whether it's a spray or not. And I
became really mindful about even when I was putting on
my body in terms of perfumes, and I stopped using
perfumes and I would only use essential oils. And if
you think about it, your skin is your largest organ.
It takes in every single thing into your bloodstream. Your
bloodstream then tries to break it down and it creates

(14:28):
toxins in the body. So we think about carcinenergenic foods,
and we think about carcinogenic you know, pollution in the
world and aerosols that we're using on our body. But
these things make such a difference.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
And it's interesting really because you know you are you
are an absolute guru of you know, wellness, and living
a natural where you are. But I think even for
that sort of woman who you know is sort of
lower down the pecking order, shall we say, but you know,
it's sort of on that journey. I think that there's
I think that there's some really obvious swaps.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
That would like that doesn't make it, that doesn't make
it harder for you. It's not like you're making an
extra step or something more difficult. It's just making this
the same thing but a better.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
And also, you know, if you wanted to use a
doctor brand I cream because you wanted to get rid
of the wrinkles on your eyes or something, I'm making
it up right, then fine, it's a little bit here.
But when you're using a wash or a body lotion
every day, then swap to something that's got the less
chemicals in that. So again I'm not saying that I

(15:34):
would even use that on my eyes. Maybe I would,
but I'm just saying that there's some obvious, kind of bigger,
bigger sort of things that you can do that will
make more of an impact. It's a bit like with food.
You know, it's less important to buy an organic banana
than it is an organic apple, you know, So it's

(15:55):
the same with beauty. I think you can start with
you everythink, oh my goodness, I've got to throw everything out.
I particularly love that bottom what.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Do you use the most of? Like for me, I
knew I have diffuses in every single room in my house,
and I know that scent for me has become so
important to lift my spirit. But if I'm using sense
that aren't actually one hundred percent, they're actually not making
me feel better. And even with these candles there, I
loved when I saw your candle where you can you
can burn it and then you can put the oil

(16:24):
on your body. I was like, if I can put
if I can burn this and then use whatever is
in there to put on my body, that's when I
know it's safe. Like that's how I know that it's
such a good quality product. And I love that. It's
like everything should kind of be interchangeable, like the masks
that you put on your face. You can make it,
you can eat it, but you can also put it
on your face. And I think the cleaner we can
make and simpler we can make our life. I think

(16:45):
everything is so complicated, whether it's products or life and
simplicity when it comes to things like this is just
so important.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
But it's big businesses trying to you know, make money
at scale, and I think you have to understand, and
not that I'm anti that in general, and just saying
you've just got realized if there's ways of people producing
mass producing a lot of products for a cheap price,
then just think there's sometimes ways that that's done that

(17:14):
you might not.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
It's going to compromise something for you. I loved how
you spoke about the four pillars of life, and you know,
I think I completely believe in that. I see when
one of those pillars in my life is straggling, every
part of me ends up struggling, and so I wanted
to break them down if that's okay, and ask a
few more questions about it. So I know you spoke
about there was sleep, energy, mood, and stress. Right, Let's

(17:36):
do stress first, because I think you know that's something
which underlying I think everybody except for maybe our Grandmars,
deal with on a daily basis. From all the research
that you've done and all the things that you've done
with your company, what do you have you found have
been the best techniques for people to manage their stress
and on a daily basis. They're practical ways.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well, the first thing I would always say about stress
talking for personal experiences, prevention is always better than cure.
Love that yeah, and I think you know, unfortunately many
of us sort of bobb along fine until we're not fine.
That certainly happened to me because putting more what seems
like more time into anything in life when we're so

(18:18):
busy that you don't think that you need, is counter
So I understand that. However, you know, stress can turn
up in many ways. We always talk about the stress
that we sort of feel in terms of the more anxious,
panicky stress, but stress can also turn up in very
physical ways, you know, inflammation or whatever it may be.
So I think seeing that as something that you prevent

(18:41):
rather than something you would first of all, I think
it's more important, But I also think you would deal
with it differently than if it becomes to a panic
station situation, which I think is then a whole different way.
So if we talk about it as a sort of
more preventative thing, I think you have to build time
into your day to relax, which sounds obvious, but if

(19:04):
I explain why, it's because if your body understands what
feeling calm feels like, whether that's meditating, whether that's walking
your dog, whatever it may be. Then you have a
sort of blueprint, an internal blueprint that your body can
then make exactly. And so you have to understand why,

(19:27):
I think for you to really believe and want to
do it, And that's why it's important is to have
those little pockets during the day. And they can be, yeah,
it can be when you're having the bath, locking the
door and making that bath work a lot harder for you.
It doesn't have to be going on an hour's hike
in the morning, lovely as that is. You can build

(19:47):
those in, but it is really important for your body
to be reminded in this fast paced world what good
looks like, because then your body keeps returning to that
stay and will tell it, keeps your barometer working.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
It's so true. I think we can get used to
our normality being at a high stress level and believing
that that is what normality is. And I think until
you strip all of that back and notice what actual it's.
My friend was telling me that she used to smoke
weed a lot and she came off it and she said,
I didn't know what it felt like to not have

(20:21):
cloud like that was normality to me. My mind was
always foggy, but I was functioning like that. Only when
I took it away did I realize what clarity actually
felt like. And I think you're right. Until you give yourself,
until your body knows what it feels like or gives
you something to want to come back to, You're never
gonna know what it feels like. You're never gonna want
You're never gonna even going to crave it because you

(20:42):
don't know what that feels like.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
And again, I think we have this. We think stress
is you know, I can't believe and it's not. I mean,
my partner has a really high powered job and he
is a super calm guy with it, which all looks
from the outside fantastic. But every time this is the
weirdest thing. Every time we go somebody bumps an elbow

(21:05):
or a knee, it flares up on another level, like
can't walk right. And it's took me a year to
convince him your stress is a'm not stressed because he's
mentally not feeling the stress in the way that society
now says stress. He feels it his body feels it,
so we've had to do a lot of things to
work on day.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
He's like that too. Actually, he has been able to
train his mind to mentally cope with stress so well.
So he's always like, my mind's not feeling it, but
I'm feeling this thing in my chest, or my mind's
not feeling it, but my body is so tired. And
I noticed that with him where exactly because he has
really he's you know, his meditation practice is so great.
He really has found ways to mentally de stress. But

(21:48):
at some point, some part of your body will come out, comes.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Out exactly, And he's exactly saying to me, I'm not stressed.
I'm not stressed. I'm calm, And I'm like, we you yes, mentally,
but you're literally bound. Anybody feels it. So I think
that's the other thing is see that it can come
out in and my mum gets a tightness here, yes, ja, Yeah,
So there's different ways that it's coming out. So we
think of stress in a very sort of binary way,

(22:12):
and it's not. And I think it's very much about
preventing and building that in and recognizing the value even
if you're not a kind of classicalized stressed person, but
recognizing the value of keeping those cortisol levels low also
for longevity.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Uty I'm like, I'm noticing the things I did in
my twenties, you end up seeing what you've done in
your twenties in your thirties. Like, what you're what you're
doing right now is setting you up for ten years time.
What you do in ten years time is setting you
up for next ten years. And I think that is
something I'm starting to realize being in my thirties. I'm like,
it really does make a difference, whether it's for me.

(22:51):
I've spent so much time in the sun. That's the
thing I'm noticing right now, the sun spots that are
showing up on my face from being in the sun
for the past ten years and not looking after it. Wow,
it really does show up. And so that's the same
with stress, is it's wearing and tearing away at you,
just as old age does. But stress does the same thing,
and you're going to notice it at a time where
it will be so much harder to come back from mostally.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
And and the other thing is, I think what we
all want in the Western world is his five things
you can do to stop stress well, the reality is
your five things will be different to mine. There'll be
some commonalities, but they're different. So then what happens is
you try and look up the three things are five
things are, and I don't want to do. I don't
want to do, I don't like you, I don't want
to mess it, and so then you put off the

(23:35):
whole thing. You have to realize that you need a
wellbeing toolkit. It will basically have some they're my four pillars.
It will of course include a degree of exercise or movement.
It will of course degree have a large food paste
plays a large part. And then but what works for
you is going to be different to me definitely, So
you've got it and that will change. So you have

(23:57):
to think, right, I'm going to respect that this wellbeing
tool needs to exist so I live my best life mentally, physically.
I'm going to respect that it shows up in ways
that are very different to you, to me, to Jay,
to my partner. You know, if it is out of kilter,
and these are things that I'm going to sort of do,
but I'm going to make sure that I get to

(24:18):
a point with trial and error that I really love
that and it's enhancing my life by doing those things.
It's not a thing I've got to do at the
end of the day.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
It's investing time in yourself. Like, that's what it takes,
what you're saying, trial and error of making the investment
in yourself with time, with energy to really understand what
you need in your life. Because once you figure those
basics out of this is what I need to get
good sleep, this is what I need to make sure
my energy levels stay good, this is what I need

(24:48):
for my mood. Once you figure those things out, that
can be your foundation for living your life optimally.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, exactly. And at the end of the day, for me,
it's personally it's less about am I going to make
it from ninety two hundred? It's am I going to
really squeeze the shit out for the next ten years
and enjoy them the most and get the most out
of them and feel my best. So again, it's not
about prolonging life. It's these are very old fashioned concert Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
It's the quality of like how well am I feeling
every morning when I wake up, and how enthusiastic am
I feeling? What's my mood with myself and with other people,
like that's what creates quality in your life. And I
think that's what Yeah, I love I love that that's
what you built your company on. Those were your foundations
because I think that's what people need the most.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, I mean it's some I think it's why I'm
really committed to doing things like this, because when we
talk about wellness, it's a big responsibility. I think to
then go, oh, and I can help you with my
your brilliant new cookbook or you know, me saying swap
to these natural candles are going to help youse treatments.
They're all brilliant, but it's part of a toolkit, and
we all have to also signpost loads of other things

(25:54):
that people can do because whilst we're in this space
where people still don't know and don't realize it can
be a rich and varied toolkit which has to change
depending on different times of you know, the year, your life,
et cetera. We have to encourage them and say, hey,
there's also this that, and you might like this.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah, but would you say are the three or which
have a many best essential oils for stress? Like what
would you recommend people go to, the sense that they
should go to.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Well we'll probably come on to it next. But I
think lavender is good because lavender is helps you sleep,
and you're always going to be stressed if you don't
get a good good night's sleep. So I'm going to
put that in there, even though that's a sleep. Yeah,
Jasmine is fantastic. Jasmine is a really lovely essential oil
for relaxing, but it's also relaxing and distressing. But it's

(26:48):
also a very optimistic light oil. So I think it
is it's a distressing oil, but it also touches on
lots of other elements which help you do stress. I
really really like jasmine. And then sandalwood is a very
nice Sandalwood is a great kind of very deep grounding
essential oil.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Hug like it's a hug scense. It feels like a
hug for your body.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
It is, So I think they go nicy together, say
very nicely they do.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
I blend like that. Actually, the three Bland I should try.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
The best selling fragrance that I created for my own
anxiety is real luxury and it's got twenty four essential
oilsm but it has.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Those, does it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, I'll send.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
You some of that because it's sounds amazing love, a
lovely fragrance I really enjoy. And you know when I
think about sense throughout my day, I really do think
about them as from morning to evening, like how they're
going to make me feel. And so I have a
jasmine myss that I put onto my face as part
of my skincare routine. The smell of that, I take
a deep breath every single time I smell it. And

(27:51):
then lavender is in one of my cleansing oils, and
you know, in the body barmb that I put on.
There's just so many different sense that take me through
the day. And you're right, it makes you know jasmine
has that effect. It just makes you want to take
that deep breaven.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
It's interesting there. So you said we spoke about taking
those moments for yourself and even those are micro moments. Yes, well,
you're forcing yourself to just take things a little bit
slower and think about what you're putting on and giving
yourself that sort of permission to look after yourself.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
And actually, I think when it comes to stress, if
I think about what helps me, it's not those major
moments in my day. It is those micro moments. It
is those little things that keep me. It's like the
little threads that take me from one bit to the next,
one bit to the next. They carry me through my day.
And so sometimes my team will see me disappear and
I'll come out and I'll have, you know, sprayed something
on my face, or I'll have a face mask on

(28:45):
halfway through the day. And it's just because it's giving
me those moments of refreshment and energizing that that you
know carries the.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Cooking right, Yeah, you're not going to eat mac Donald's
all day and then go, well, I should make an
amazing rady courier. Yeah, just to sort of balance at
the end of the day. You put the spices in
your food. As the day goes on, you might put
the cinnamon in your porridge. You might put you know,
some spices in a soup, and so you're constantly nourishing.
And then at the end of that day and the
end of that week, that's become a lifestyle and it's lovely.

(29:14):
It's nice. It's not they're not things as well. Another
really important tip that I always says, make it nice
for yourself. You know, make that food. Yeah, have those
amazing anti inflammatory spices in, but make it, so it
makes the soup taste better. You know, use the miss
that's going to help you relax, but make it a
miss that smells gorgeous that you also want to use.

(29:34):
Don't feel that that sort of somehow mitigates it or
makes it less worthy, So always make those and I
think that lifts your mood as well.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Then does And you touched on sleep with the lavender,
and I'd love to go on to that now because
you know, I've I really appreciate creating a sleep environment
and what I mean by that is really figuring out
the sense, the type of sheets, I like, the pillow
I like, you know, the lighting that we use. All
of those things can really help to create a sacred

(30:06):
space for you to get good quality sleep. So I
would love to hear from you what your tools and
tips have been for people, which you said ninety seven
how many people struggle with sleep in I think if.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
You're eighty seven percent, people.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Struggle with sleep and I've seen that with my friends.
You know, people well, first.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
The quality, so it's either getting sleep or not having
a great quality.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yet, yeah, tell me, like, what do you think are
great ways for people to ease into creating a better
sleep environment or routine for themselves.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Well, this is a massive topic, so I'll try and
say it in just a few words. Because we did
a brilliant sleep plan which was just phenomenal, which has
got our eleven Yeah, our eleven Golden Rules for sleep,
and I would always go and have looked at it
on our website because it genuine is really really good.
But one thing I would say, we don't respect our
circadian rhythms at all. So what that means is we

(30:57):
wake up and don't go out to the side and
see the sunshine. We stay in all day and then
we expose ourselves to light in the evening. That actually
means that our body at a cellular level is not
understanding it's morning, it's afternoon, it's evening. So because we're
not respecting that, everything's going out of kilter. So you

(31:19):
have to think and routine at the end of the
day is hugely important, but it also starts at the
beginning of the day. You have to tell your body
it's morning, which then stops producing melatonin and starts all
of the kind of daily hormones up. So first thing
in the morning, making sure that you get out and
you see. Natural light is hugely important, hugely, hugely important.

(31:39):
And you know, if you measure light in terms of lux,
the light that you will get outside for fifteen minutes
versus being all day in an office is vastly, vastly different.
So going outside and seeing that natural light is really important.
And of course things like movement are really really important
as the day goes on. But having a routine for
the evening is very very important as well. And I

(32:02):
think people think that they are either a good sleeper
or a bad sleeper, and actually there's so much more
power in your hands and then you believe if you
really do respect that sleep hygiene from morning till evening.
So evening for me is very much about creating a
zone where we're going from that busy, you know, cortisol

(32:24):
spiky day to a much calmer place in the evening.
So that will of course include the blue lights being
turned off, you know, and that's of course hard. We
all like to sit in bed on Instagram. Sometimes that's
the reality, right, but you have to realize that that
is problematic. It's telling your brain to wake up, that's

(32:45):
the problem with it. It's not just making you think,
oh my god, what are they doing? Or I can't
believe she's done that? Or why are they there without me?
All of those things, but also the blue light. The
blue light is also making your brain think it's morning.
So it's a double whammy. You've got to take in that.
You've obviously not to say obviously, I think it's obvious.
But some people still order a coffee.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Don't they.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
You've obviously got to stop. I can't drink caffeine after
twelve o'clock. I'm a bit of a lightweight, so understand
what your cutoff zone is. It might be later in that.
There's also a three hour rule, which is shouldn't really
be eating or drinking. I mean, clearly water is fine,
but you shouldn't really be eating your meal that close
to bed because your body's having to do a hell
of a job to.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Make sure that it digests it.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
So you've got to make sure you're timings. You know,
you're not doing all those day things really sort of
late in the evening. I would then always like a
perfect night sleep. Candle. It's been such an amazing fragrance
for us, and we've got such brilliant testimonials of people
saying this has absolutely been a game changer. I like
to have something to inhale, something to absorb when you skin,

(33:49):
and then something to boost.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
That's I like that, something to inhale, something to put
on your skin.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Absorb inhale, absorbed boost. I always think of routines in
that sort of way, So something to inhale would be
We do two sleep fragrances. Actually we do one that's
not got lavender in because a lot of people still
don't like lavender, so we do one with camra marm
but I like the lavender one, and then I would
fill the room with the fragrance, either via a pod
or a candle. I always like to go in a bath.

(34:16):
The ideal time is meant to be about twelve minutes
in a bath. I know that sounds very prescriptive, but
the point is not having it underturned and then not
having it you don't, there's no benefit of fifteen and then.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Somebody, you know, a good ten minutes to get into
an actual relaxed day after being on the whole day.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, exactly. And for the oils, if you're using the oils,
for the oils to really penetrate. So I like to
have an oily bath or a bath with essential oils
in some capacity. Again, we do so many different products
than perfect night sleep, whether you like bubble bath bath,
foam oils or whatever. I love to use a magnesium
body butter when I get out of the bath.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Magnesium body.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
It's a brilliant product, that absolutely brilliant. It's laced in magnesium.
So many of us deficient in magnesium. It's an absolute
wonder mineral. I mean, it's responsible for about three hundred
and sixty functions in the body magnesium I mean, and
the vast majority of a deficient in it. And by
the way you can process it, you know, if you've
been taking it as a tablet form, your body will
just keep processing it so you can't.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Oh no, that's good to nerve. Yeah, yeah, because I
feel like, you know, you mentioned pods and diffuses for
people who aren't used to using essential olds. There are
so many different ways you can get it, and I use,
you know, I have a rollable of a few different
sens that I take with me everywhere. I have peppermint
ale for my headaches. I have my lavender off when
I travel and I go on to a plane. But

(35:39):
then there's also the sense which are pure essential OWDs.
You can diffuse in a diffuser, give us, give us
a few different ways that you recommend people take them
in because even through your body butters, people are you know,
absorbing it through their skin into their body.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Well, it doesn't matter how you get a fragrance in
an atmosphere, It doesn't matter at all. Candle a rediffuser,
a pod. You'll have a personal preference on how strong
you want it. You'll also you know you might want it.
The good thing with the pod is it creates fragrance

(36:12):
in seconds. Yeah, so, and also everyone's room size is different, right,
So our three week candle we actually developed with that
amount of senseal oil in the three weeks, so we
would fill an average sized living room in about half
an hour. So that gives you some sort of guidance.
But as long as you know, whatever your budget is
or whatever your room sizes, any of those elements you

(36:34):
just just as long.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
As specific, No, it's not.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
And then when it comes to putting things on the
body again, you mean you can take we do pure
essential oils. You can put them the carrier on. If
you wanted magnesium body butter, that's great. We have a
body oil. I love our body oil because I love
a body or the size. That's another part of my
sleep routine that I really love.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
I think, you know, self soothing and self touch is
so important to create, you know, to allow your nerves
to know. It's almost like hugging your own body. And
I love massage. I do a younger which is like
you know, self body massage. But it's such an important
part of my evening to destress my body because I
notice the places when I'm then going through and massaging
my body with all I'm noticing the places where I'm

(37:17):
holding tension. And I do it with essential oils and
with a you know, with a carrier, all that that
I put onto my body. But it really does make
a difference because I feel it, you know, kind of
moving through my body.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
And body oil's got a bit of a bad rap.
People think it's greasy. Well, it's only greasy when it's
a mineral oil and it sits on the skin. You're
using a natural oil. It will actually penetrate into the skin.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
I know my body, I wake up and my body
feels like a baby. But once you use the always
such a nice feeling to wing up like that. We've
touched on melotonin, you were saying, you know, obviously to
create that in our body. There is such a reliance
in the world right now on taking external melotonin, of
taking tablets. I know so many friends who have been
hooked on it, and you know, I would love to

(38:00):
hear your perspective on it, because for me, whenever I
hear people taking it, I know that they get to
a point where they hit a wall where it no
longer helps them, and that's because their body is not
producing it itself. It almost takes out that. It basically
tells your body Listen, you don't need to do any
work right now to get yourself melatonin. I'm going to
give it all to you, and so I feel like
it stops the functioning of it. So what's your view

(38:23):
on melatonin versus taking magnesium, because I know both can
be used for relaxation at night.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Well, I've never taken melitony. You know, I'm generally quite
a good sleeper, actually so, but I do have understood
the principles of being able to have and create good
sleep for quite a while. So I don't know. Listen,
it must be awful if you are a really really

(38:50):
serious insomniac. And I've got to be honest, and so
I don't know how that feels. So that must be
really really bad. However, it is widely known as you say,
that melatonin is going to ultimately, you know, cause you
more problems. And I do think in our findings, especially
when we did our when we created our sleep eleven

(39:11):
Golden Rules, most people didn't think good sleep was in
their control. They felt that they were just bad sleeper,
just a bad sleeper.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
You know.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Their mum had been a sleeper, their uncle had been
a bad sleeper. It was in their family, and they
didn't understand. They didn't understand the whole piece about the
circadian rhythm and that it was also not just about
getting to sleep at that point, but it was about
really starting in the morning. So I think it makes
sense that you would at least learn that and try

(39:42):
that and then see where you are, because yeah, otherwise
you might get some relief. But if it steps forward
to take three back doesn't sound like a good.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Long term are you When you're taking anything like that, Naturally,
it gives you that remis for the night, but it
doesn't help your actual rhythm of sleep for the you know,
for longevity.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Of it exactly. And a lot of the sleep experts
that I've spoken to say also think about your sleep
over a week. Don't always berate yourself if you wake
up and you say, had a really bad night's sleep,
because sometimes you can get on this big vicious circle
of I had a bad night's sleep, and so then
you drink more caffeine to wake up the next day,
and then you take something that night. Rather than thank you, yeah, yeah,

(40:28):
you're not going to die, what's going to happen? You've
had a terrible night's sleep, fine, well, if you had
three hours last night, or if you had an hour,
then you know, if you get a night sleep the
night after all the nice after, think about it in
the week. So I think sometimes changing your way of
thinking can be helpful. You know.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
What's really helped me, and I recommend this to a
lot of my friends now, is if you do go
through periods of having bad sleep, start tracking your sleep.
I've been using the Whoop for a while now, yeah,
and I've used lots of other devices here and there.
I was really against actually using devices on my body
at night, but I think for short periods of time,
It's helped me so much to see what type of

(41:05):
sleep I'm having to then the recovery that I'm having
to the morning of what type of workout I'm going
to have, Like sleep effects everything I noticed when I
don't get enough sleep. After looking at whatever my results
come out to be, I end up changing the way
that I'm working out because I'm putting more strain on
my body, producing more quarters all in my body, feeling

(41:25):
stressed and tired the whole day. And so even if
you're someone who doesn't use monitoring devices like much at all,
I recommend if you do end up having difficult sleep patterns,
at least have a look at what's happening, because I
think when you end up getting information in front of you,
you can only go from information because otherwise you're trying
to figure out there's so many variables that a complete

(41:46):
and so you know, I think tracking has been really important,
especially for me when I'm traveling and stuff a lot.
I find it so difficult to figure out am I
tired because I've been moving around a lot, or am.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I just not getting good quality sleep. I think you've
got to ask yourself whether that adds to your anxiety
or it helps for you, it seems like it helps you.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yeah, I think information does for me.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
It does for me, but I know there are those
people that then go, you give me another piece of
information that's been you know, that's not good and therefore,
so again, it's just believe in yourself a bit and
what works for you.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah, I agree. I think if you're not able to
tune in and really hear what your body's telling you,
sometimes having for me anything takes me out of stress
if I have the knowledge for it, even if it's
something that's terrible, even if something is saying you've only
had one hour's good sleep, at least I have information
in front of me that's been given to me.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
I feel like knowledge and information is my way to
take away stress in my life.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Definitely.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
But I understand what you're saying because I do have
friends who are like, oh my gosh, it says I've
only had three others sleep. But I don't think I
could do anything the whole day to day. So yeah,
I think it depends how it affects you, But for
short periods of time, I do recommend it to people
because I think it's a game changer in understanding your body.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, okay pillar.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
The next pillar that I wanted to talk about was
your energy levels. You know, I think with as much
as sleep can affect your energy, I think there are
so many other things that affect your energy. And one
thing I've really been trying to monitor in my life
is energy leakage. And what I mean by that is
when am I doing mentally and emotionally that's impacting my

(43:22):
energy levels? And I've noticed whether it's conversations I'm having
with people and what they're about makes such a difference.
Am I gossiping about people? Am I talking about things
that are lower frequency that's actually not fueling me? Like
I tried to think of everything in my day as
either this is fueling me or is draining me, and
we're going to have a balance of both in our life, right. Yeah,

(43:43):
But there are so many micro things that you can
do throughout your day to make sure that that balance
is not off. So not doing too many things that
are draining you at least be even at least have
the things that are fueling you and draining you so
you end up at an even playing field.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Well, Also the things that you you know, if you're
choosing to go out for dinner with friends, you know
what it's going to do. That's not like a work thing.
I mean, you might have to have a meeting with
someone who or a boss who you know is a
bit tedious. That's your work. You know, we all have
to do that. But if you're going out, don't choose
friends who you behind the back or you think they

(44:21):
are because you've chosen that. So, yeah, but I think
that's something that you know, a lot of people fall into.
And I absolutely, I absolutely agree that kind of competitiveness
comes at certain times people's lives, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Particularly spending time with exactly it makes such a difference
to your energy levels.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
I agree, auditing that all times is absolutely key. And
knowing what good looks like as well.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
I think knowing what good looks like, and that comes
into play with what we were talking about before, right, like,
when you understand what good quality energy feels like from people,
you'll notice when people are draining you or when things
are being yeah, being you know, pressures being put.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
On you and time is sure, you know, we shouldn't
there shouldn't be any sort of mindful choices that you
have with people or activities in your life that you're
not really into. You know, the bar should be high
where that's concerned, because it's got You have got to
compromise when it comes to tidying the house or you know,

(45:23):
dealing with a child having a tantrum or a boss
who's awkward. So let good Lord, don't choose for it.
When it comes to a hobby or a friendship or
whatever else, make sure that those are, you know, as
much as possible A one plus. So I'm totally with
you where that's concerned, and I've absolutely ended up. You
kind of go through life and then you think there's

(45:45):
barnacles that have grown here.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah, we think about all the things that give us energy.
With food, like we said, and with exercise, we know
that they've boost our serotonin levels. But people do too.
Like we're human beings. We want that energetic connection with
people and having even if it's just a few people
in your life that boost your energy when you're around them,
it's so necessary.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Definitely, And I think finding things that replenish you and
knowing everyone thinks I'm an extra bit, but actually I'm
an intro to get your your energy from being on
your own and you sort of you plug yourself and
then and then I want to go out. I don't
want to be on my own for two weeks and
then I want to go out and speak to people.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
But I have to have that.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
And so I suppose knowing that about yourself and.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Events, and I'm like, one day, one night, I I've
been out, I've been around people. I'm like, I need
two days of being being completely by myself and then
I we energize and then I'm ready to go back
out again.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I have a I have a little saying and I'll
say it's my boyfriend and I'll go T m H
and it means too many humans. Oh.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
So it's like kind of code for whether in a
place where it's been we've been at a party, going
on too long whatever else.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yeah, Okay, that's really good. I feel like that's going
to become a thing. I'm gonna use it too. What
are the oils? Because I have found great solace in
essential oils when I'm feeling low energy, especially when I
get to midday and I need to pick me up.
For me, peppermint oil has been a game changer. It

(47:16):
has greatcent too. If I'm feeling sluggish, if even my
digestion feels a bit sluggish, putting around my belly button
and putting it on my forehead and it really energizes me.
What are other sense that you recommend, because you know,
I think about that in the morning. I have different
sense that I want to wake me up in the morning,
and I have citrus sense then, and you know that
type of thing. I would love to hear your top

(47:37):
three for energy.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
I love eucalyptus. Oh yeah, because I think it gives
you energy. But there's two different White and lemon for me,
is more of a physical energy. Yeah so, but but
the eucalypse is more of a mental energy. So eucalypses
pine pin I can use the same. I can't love
the fragrance. I have to use a tiny bit of it,
quite a fall kind of a green, sort of a

(48:00):
little tincture of green, which would be eucalyptus. Have some
pine in there, kind a bit of sandal. Would you
could have some lemon? Yeah, and that will give you
a real kind of mental focus. We have a really
brilliant fragrance called focus the mind, actually, which I thought
I really wanted something that was that kind of right,
You've got to get your head down here and just
work for three hours that real kind of your kids

(48:21):
are doing a levels and that's a very greeny you know,
you can have some lime sometimes where it's quite nicely
in that as well.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
But I think eucalyptus is one of my favorites for that.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
That's a great sent for that. Yeah, energy eucalyptus. I
need to try that one now. I think I've been
sticking to peppermin all for too long. I might be
becoming immune to it.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
We'll mix it up and just kind of like think
of it like a little bouquet, like if you were
creating you know, a A A in a meal or something.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
And you're right, it's experimenting with that, like seeing which
sense suit you, which sense you end up you know,
actually responding to because some sense I smile, Oh this
is all right, it doesn't really do much for me,
But then there are other sense that really give me
the boost or the relaxation that I need back.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
It's like what you need different things, don't you. I
quite like sometimes and you decide you might want to
put some some citrusy sense with it. To make it
kind of very light and fresh and sparkling upbeat. But
then sometimes if you've got some serious work to do,
you might put those kind of woody notes with this.
And it also it gives you that kind of real focus,
but sometimes it's kind of a grounding focus.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
I have sandal wood. Sandalwood is what I burn in
the morning for my meditation. That is my meditation smell
more than anything else, and I have to say it
has been and I love creating connection between scent and
what I'm doing. I think that's another way. It's almost
creating these almost mechanisms, like you were saying, where you
know that when you're smelling this, this is what's happening.

(49:53):
It's creating a routine or a channel of our eyes.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
And I think it's a lovely thing to do, you know,
in a home, to create that environment for you, your partner,
your children, your grandparents. It's a it's a really nice
way of kind of creating an.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Energy energy exactly.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
I like doing it for dinner parties, that kind of
saying zoning different parts of the house.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah, you're so right, And I think there's a huge
connection if you think about scent when you meet someone,
or I know, the smell of my mom, like I can.
As soon as I smell that, there's a set serotonin
comes out.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I relax.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
My whole body completely changes. Same with when I smell
her food. I'm like, okay, I'm home and I feel that,
And I think for me, I've created those connections between
scents too. So now even if you're far away from home,
you smell something that you've put I think that must
be so amazing for kids to do as well, Like
when kids go away to college or university or whatever,
if they've had a smell that brings them back home.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
And we have you so many people who write I
get messages all the time from people saying, oh, my
children off on his first you know, away camp or
something and took the pillar miss because a lot we
buy more, we sell more impacts of four of our
pillar mist than singularly because people buy them. I suppose
a lot of them by just to sup to have

(51:14):
like mum and the dad and you know, children or whatever.
And that's a really nice thing. I think, whatever that
routine is, but getting we talk about self care being
something that we're having to now teach adults because this
is a new thing. But for us to be teaching
younger generation to just yeah, to have that in it,
I think it's that's quite powerful. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
I know when I walk down the street sometimes my
dad used to wear old spice, you know that sase
whenever I smell, whenever my someone walks past me, or
I get a whiff of it, I'm like, oh, that's
so nice. But it's just it's sense can take you
back to memory.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
They you still fancy the men that wear the lynks?

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, you know. I can't do links
anymore Africa. That was the one moment when I was younger, exactly. Yeah,
S's a beautiful way to connect memories as well. I
really I don't remember dates, I don't remember times, but
I can remember sense, and I can remember the food
I ate. And that's pretty much what I based a lot.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Of my life. Yeah, I can't date my children in
that I remember where all their clothes.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah, exactly. The next pillar is mood. I think that's
the last pillar that we spoke about. And you know,
I've studied, like we spoke about spices and food and
the impact that it has on mood. Same with the vitamins.
That we're having in the minerals that we're having. There's
so much that we can do to change our mood.
And what you said about sleep, I think people have

(52:36):
the same thing for mood where they think a lot
of people feel like if I'm just in a lone
with there's not much I can do about it. It
just is I'm feeling this way. There's not much I
can do to get myself out of it. It's gonna
go away itself. But actually, I'd say scent and also
many of the other things that we do, there's an
ability to shorten that time span that we are feeling
in a low mood for. And so what would you

(52:58):
say again, uplifting sense or things that you think people
can do to really help elevate their mood during.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
That A totally. I mean, and you know people always
sort of lump this. This is not about depression, right,
That's a very different thing.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Definitely.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
This is about sort of very daily, you know, getting
yourself in the fond. Yeah, And I think by you know,
taking control of that thinking that there are things you
can do, whether it's you know, making yourself a lovely
cake or lighting a lovely candle, it's just nice having
that control, Isn't it? Definitely mood boosting fragrances. I think

(53:32):
orange is a really underrated essential oil which is lovely
mandarin slightly different, slightly sweeter. I chang my can kind
of work in that way as well. I really love that.
But those orange sort of fragrances are uplifting in a
very sort of how do I say it? I love tuberos,

(53:53):
but Tuberos is a very sexy, luxurious essential oil, which
also is very uplifting. But orange is almost kind of like,
you know, the little things are the big things happiness well,
and I think the fact that it is fruity and sparkling.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
As well, Like I think it kind of brings a
bit of festivity throughout.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
But also I think it makes you because it is
quite a you know, it's quite a basic fragrance. It
doesn't make you think I need to have something really
extravagant to be happy. So Orange and all the form
of stories think really work very well. Mimosa is a
lovely fragrance. Mimosas like you know those little yellow, tiny flowers, Yeah,

(54:38):
seeing them, they're very pretty. That is a lovely, uplifting,
very light, bright sparkling fragrance. I love that for loads
of things. Actually, we put that in our happiness fragrance,
and I think that is a really really nice Yeah,
that's lovely and you so you can put that with orange,
so that's really really nice. I have some not a
vanilla fan, but vanilla, but vanilla. The problem with vanilla,

(55:00):
anything I will say is vanilla is generally you smell
it in a very synthetic way. Yes, so a bit
like a cake where you put you know, it's a
big difference between using a proper vanilla pod and you know,
synthetic vanilla fragrancy. So vanilla is and it's worth people
knowing it is a mood boosting. It's quite calming, but
it is all about mood. It sometimes can be tempered

(55:21):
quite nicely with some sandalwood.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
What are the women's sprays that we used to Oh, yeah,
from super It was just such a deep.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Musky But not for me. I'm just saying it because
I think a lot of people do like vanilla, and
it's worth them knowing it is a It sits between
being a mood boosting and a destressing oil. That is
its property. And if you quite like it, but are
nervous of that sort of old fashion, sort of eighties
nineties synthetic vision. Try it with a little bit of

(55:51):
sandalwood because it just makes it a bit more earthy.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yeah, it's vanilla being that actually, because I think even
when you think about it in baking or when I'm
cooking something, it has this grounding is a heavier sent
I think it's like a heavier grounding ascent. Oh nice, Okay,
I need to try their vanilla and standlord together now.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
I wanted to ask you, so, after all that you've
been in this what fifteen years the wellness industry more
than eighteen years. From all of that and all the
things that you've tried and tested, what would you say
are your three non negotiables for your own wellness? Because
you travel a lot as well, by the way, you
have a Yeah, you travel a lot. You do you know?
You work so hard?

Speaker 2 (56:30):
What are your three non negotiables? Gosh, gotting it down
three is touper hard. But let me say, getting out
in nature is a really big thing. I know we
talk about it a lot at the moment, but I
think people think that's like going on a pounding walk
through a forest, and it can be I have a horse.
It's my greatest passion luxury. When I'm there, I'm nothing
other than the horse rider. I'm not me and my

(56:52):
work capacity or anything else. And so I think whatever
that might look like for you, being outside is is
really really important. And I love city life. I love
the buzz of London, but that is really really important.
So walking the dog, being out is hugely important. Food
is a massive part of my you know life. I
am a big food and I'm really quite greedy, so yeah,

(57:13):
I do. Yeah, So I think probably that was partly
what inspired me to become interested in nutrition, because I'm
going to eat this much and you can know what
in me exactly, otherwise I'll be the size of a
house quite frankly. So so food cooking is a big
part of my life, and latterly it's become more so,

(57:34):
I think. But connecting, as as you said before, with
the right people, and that's a small circle that I
hold very dear and I love hard and being quite
strict about no or thank you. I'll be quite pleasant,
but you're not in my a boxy and keeping that

(57:54):
a box kind of really you know tight, because I
get such huge nourishments from that. And of course there's
you know family, you know members are in that. But
that's I think, knowing what that looks like and knowing
hues in it and knowing you know, the amount you're
going to give back to those, how important that is
for you.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
That's become you know, there's a great Yeah, I really
like them. I have a few quick fire questions to
kind of round this up. I'm going to ask you
to think too deeply about them. But what's something a
lot of people don't know about you that you want
them to know.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I'm quite tough.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah, I feel that though, do you. Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:32):
I think people think because I run away on this business,
I'm like floating around in white linen and yeah I know,
and it's like, no, this is working at Neon is
the best fun ever. But it's really tough and I'm
quite tough. And I hate that that's that kind of
view of Meravitation that you know, we're just sort of
all a bit whimsical and a bit oh well, it

(58:53):
doesn't matter, it might upset you, you know, No.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
So just no, Niclas tough. Okay, she may be the
biggest one is brand in London but she is tough
as a cookie or not well, sometimes a vegan extremely
tough if it's not made right. What emotion do you
find difficult to deal with? And why I have all
the emotions out there?

Speaker 2 (59:16):
I don't like being sad. Yeah, I really don't like
being sad.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
How do you release emotion? By the way, what's your method.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Of much of a crime?

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Yeah, not much.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
I talk it through. I think I talk it through
with people that I trust. You know, I will talk
it through. I will, I will speak to I will
have therapy and then not and then have therapy. And
I kind of go to therapy a bit. Not for
a problem, but it's almost like going to the theater
for me. I really enjoy it. That's so interesting and
I learned things. She's just generally about life, so that's helpful.

(59:51):
But yeah, I don't like I think my daughter used
to say, from being really little when she was in trouble,
she's to go mammy, let's not talk about the bad things,
let's talk about good things. And that she even now
still I think we are a bit probably pushed that night, maybe, yeah, fair.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
When was the last time you had a really good cry?

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I fell out with my son, I had a good cry.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Yeah, I do that a lot with my Me and
my mum have a She's like my best friend. But
at the same time she's the person naturally that I
can snap at the most or have disagreements with, and
so I get really upset with myself when.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
I do that, especially now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Yeah, it really does matter. What kind of cry are you?
So I have made categories of criers. Okay, so there's
five different times. There's a loud, ugly cry. We all
know what that looks like. It's just it's not cute.
The breathless where you're just you really can't hear, you
know when children do, or you just can't hear what
they're saying. But there's a lot of breath happening. There's

(01:00:54):
a sniff sniffler and snotty where there's water coming out
of every you know, hole in the body, the high
pitched where it's just need that they just go up
a few octions. That's me And then I'm not crying.
Your crying cry where it's like I have something in
my eye and you know, I'm not really crying, or
the silent crier where it's very composed and no it's

(01:01:16):
not that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Yeah, So I'll try to start with the last, the
pronultimate one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Yeah, I'm crying your crime.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I try to start with that. Then I think I'll
go to the one up from.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
That high pitched yeah yeah yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
When you're crying, you try and explain you why you're cry?

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
What's just because mine's always like I think I'm coming
on my period. That's literally mine for everything. I'm like,
I think, let me just check. I think it must
be the time of my period and there it can't
be every week because I'm a crier. I cry all
the time. So for me, I'm like, that's that excuse
that needs to change. Now. Well, thank you so much
for being It's going to be such a great one
for people to learn the small things they can adapt

(01:01:58):
to make such a big difference. So yeah, me too,
and for anyone who and I'm saying this genuinely, I've
looked hard and long time to find sense and pandles
to fill my home with that feel uplifting and calming
and all the things that you want to feel and
make a home into. And I have said NEIM has
been a really great tool for that in different parts

(01:02:21):
of my home so I really recommend you check them out.
And I'm so excited to have you in the US.
Now UK to the US, I know, and I can
come over here more.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Yeah, I'll say holidays, thank you, thank you, my love,
thank you,

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