Ace of Hearts : Mormon (LDS) Dating - Guest Starring Addy Eberhard - Ace of Hearts

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, my kings, queens and in betweens. Huh. Welcome to
Ace of Hearts, a dating podcast from every perspective. My
name is Maddie and I am your host for any
first time listeners here, Ace of Hearts is a dating
podcast where I, the naive, asexual that I am, talk

(00:20):
to people with an assortment of different backgrounds all about
their dating life. And before we press any further, I
just want to reiterate that we at Ace of Hearts
have no intention of generalizing any lifestyle race, gender, religion, disability,
et cetera. Our desire is to hear love stories and

(00:41):
maybe even horror stories from people who don't always get
the spotlight. Every person is unique and so is their story.
And today for Ace of Hearts, we have Addie. Addie,
would you like to say your full name and what
makes dating a little differ for you?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Mine is Addie Everhard. I'm twenty four years old. I
guess what makes me different with dating is that I'm Mormon.
I grew up Mormon. Recall, it's hard calling myself Mormon

(01:34):
because that's not how I refer to myself, but that's
how the public refers to me.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
So I go with it, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
But how do you identify then if you don't call
yourself a Mormon.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, I mean I just say I'm a member of
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. But
that's a mouthful, and so I'm like, sometimes I'll say
I'm LDS.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
But the thing is is, I grew up.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
In a community that knows, like the majority of people
here are Mormon, and so you don't really have to
identify yourself as that ever. So I don't know if
that makes sense, But I mean, Mormon is an offensive
per se. It's just not how people in the church
normally identify.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, I mean, in an earlier episode, we had someone
who had borderline personality disorder. But that's a mouthful. So
he doesn't say I have borderline personality disorder every time
he says it. He says I have BPD, and in
every like in every setting right and like in counselors
and therapists and psychiatrists, everyone that just knows what BPD is.
So it's it sounds like it's a similar Yeah, so

(02:38):
you say Latter Day Saints is generally or or you
said sorry ls lsd LD, No, that's probably a very
different Sunday. If you're yes, that is LSD.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, not not quite the same.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Oh no, it's fine, that's funny. But yeah, I feel
like generally I would refer to myself as I mean,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
It's hard to refer to myself as anything because for me,
it's just normal. So it doesn't really feel like I'm
I need a label, if that makes sense. So, and
there are some members of the church will get thrown
off if you call them Mormon. They just don't they
don't like it. I think in our church we talk
about that term and not to get too religious here,

(03:28):
but a big reason is because we are Christian and
we believe in Jesus Christ, and the name of our
church encompasses Jesus Christ, and when people call us Mormons,
it kind of takes Christ out of the picture, which
is where it's kind of we're like, ah, but we're
not Mormons because Mormon is some prophet from long ago,

(03:48):
but we don't worship him or anything. We don't like
he's He's a guy that said some things that were cool,
but like, he's not who we worship. You know, we
worship Jesus Christ, and so that's why we kind of
like to refer to ourselves as members of the Church
of Jesus, right.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
And that's more of like in the community. It sounds
like like if someone was at a gas station, uh
and they said, oh, we're y' all off to I
assume you know, if you said, oh, we're off to
LDS and be like, what's that? Yeah, I don't know why.
This is some country person showing we're just driving through. Yeah,

(04:24):
wanted to look at all the salt lakes. I guess
there's only one. Pretty Uh So, so then you grow
up in this community, then it sounds like, so like
your parents were raised h LDS and so then they
sort of brought you up into that community as well.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, so both of my parents were raised in the church.
And it's not like we're in some like uh, what's
the word like compound of like Mormons or anything like that.
Like we're just normal people in the community. But there
happens to be a lot of people that are members
of the church. But like, you know, I have siblings
that aren't members of the church anymore, and they've chosen

(05:04):
to you know, their beliefs are different than that, and
that's that's totally fine, and they're you know, it's it's
not weird. Like I don't know, I feel like sometimes
people think Mormons are like.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
You don't like, disown them from your family exet. I'm
sure I think that is like a stereotype for your
community of the LDS. It sounds like it's, uh, no
one's gonna like cut you out of like your life
if you decide to, like, you know, have different beliefs. Yeah,
regular people.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
And I think I think something that's kind of important
that I wanted to bring up when we talk is that,
you know, everybody who's part of a religion of any
kind is different, and they're gonna believe in that religion differently.
And this is something I've learned more in recent years,
is that it doesn't matter if someone's the same religion
as me, they're still gonna believe something different than I do.
That's just that's just the like, no two people believe

(05:53):
the exact same thing about God in the universe. It
just doesn't happen. And so you might see some people
in the Mormon community that would disown people who left
but that's not taught by the church itself. That's not
something that's condoned by the church in any way, shape
or form.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
But there are.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Always gonna be people who will take things to the extreme.
And that's just in any in any community at all,
whether it's religious or something else. Like, people believe differently,
so they act differently. So I can only speak for
myself and what I've experienced, but I can't really speak
for everyone else.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, just that's sort of like what this show is
all about, too, is like everyone's a little bit different,
we all have different stories. It's clarifying then. Yet you're
not you're not representing all of Mormonism. You're just you're
just telling your story, and that's what we're here to hear.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Uh, don't let me put words in your mouth, by
the way, But yeah, you so you grew up in
Utah on the same sort of community, in the same
like small town. Did your family move around a little
bit when you were growing up or pretty much the
same little town.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I grew up in the same house from when I
was two, so yeah, no, I didn't move around a lot.
And when I went to college, I was thirty minutes
away from home. I don't know if I would consider
it necessarily a small town. It's not like a Hallmark
movie small town where everybody knows each other's and there's
only three shops. Like, it's definitely a very large community.

(07:13):
And I don't know everybody or that many people, you know,
Like I just know who I know. And but yeah,
I did grow up in the same house pretty much
my whole life. And I'm actually currently back in that
same house that I grew up in for a little
period of time before me and my husband and my
son moved across the country.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
So I don't always like to talk about it, but
I had to move back in with my parents when
I was like twenty five for a couple of years,
and it was not fun. But you know what, times
get tough, and you know, luckily, we're both very blessed
that we have parents who are able to like give
us temporary shelter while we figure things out and like
move forward.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, so, so you grew up in the same town
sort of growing up. Now, obviously you didn't date when
you were a child, but when you did start to
date in like the LDS like culture, are are you
like allowed to date when you're like under a certain age.
I mean most people don't really date before thirteen anyways,
unless it's like we held hands at recess, which you

(08:15):
knows everyone did that.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, that's actually that's a really interesting question.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
There is there's kind of a I don't know if
you would quite say a teaching in the church or
a culture, but it's kind of standard there we go.
It's kind of standard that you don't date until you're sixteen.
I mean, here's the thing is, like teenagers are teenagers.
Like if a teenager wants to date another teenager or
a teeners, they're gonna do it right. So some parents,
you know, will be like, yeah, go to the dances,

(08:39):
go out with your friends, go go on dates with
my parents. It was kind of like you couldn't have
even numbers boys and girls until you're.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Sixteen, even numbers.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
So like, for example, if I had four friends that
were girls and four friends that were guys, we couldn't
all hang out together. There had to be at least
one odd number. So there'd be like five girls and
four boys until we were sixteen.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
So there was like a social pressure of like, oh,
we can all make out and then that one person
will be left out. That's kind of fun, it is.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Like, thinking back to it. At the time, it was like, oh, yeah,
this is just what we do. But thinking back and like,
that's like, hmm, it's such a silly kind of way
to keep us from yeah, like making hour, doing whatever.
But at the end of the day, kids are still
gonna do what kids are still gonna do.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
You know, this never happened to me, but since I
am asexual, I can see myself if my friends are
all like making out, I would just walk away and
just you know, like all right, well, catch up with
you guys later, I guess, and ice cream. Just like
you said, teenagers do what teenagers want to do. They're

(09:46):
gonna they're gonna figure out how to kiss each other.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
So I think that and I think that's one of
those things where it's like every family had different rules,
but the kind of general standard was like, don't go
on dates till you're sixteen, don't get too serious, date
for fun.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
And my dating for serious do you mean like dating
from for with intent to marry?

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Right?

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (10:06):
And also I think a lot of it comes from
this kind of purity culture of uh so we believe in.
Like I hate saying we believe because it feels so
religious and weird.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
But you grew up believing or you were there.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, so so I was taught growing up. You know
that you don't have sex until you're married, right, And
so I think a lot of it is kind of
to prevent sex from happening before marriage, honestly, like that,
And that's just my personal opinion. Like I'm like, yeah,
you can say whatever you want why you don't want
us to date before we're sixteen, But I'm pretty sure
it's just because you don't want us having sex. Yeah,

(10:44):
take that for what you will, I guess. But and
then it's kind of like once you're sixteen, it's like okay,
like yeah, like you can go on dates, but yeah,
don't be too serious about it. Like for example, some families,
like my families kind of like go on double dates,
but don't go on single dates. So like you can
go like you and your friend could go on a
date with a guy and his friend, but don't you

(11:04):
can't just go out with a guy, right.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Did you ever have to have like chaperones when you
were like going on dates?

Speaker 3 (11:10):
No, No, they were never.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Never nothing like that, but just like it was like
your friend was the chaperone, you know, almost like you
were watching each other. But yeah, okay, but then you're
a teenager, so it's not like you actually care, right So,
And at the end of the day, I do think
that that's not terrible practice, especially for like first dates,
Like that's great because you might not know this person
super well, and for all you know, they could be

(11:32):
a very bad person and could be after you in
some way, shape or form, right, like wanting to hurt
you or get something out of you, and having other
people there can relax that pressure so then you can
just get to know each other.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
A little question when you're young too.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Totally, So I never had any problem with that.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
And like once I had like a guy that I
really liked and you know, wanted to date, Like my
parents never stopped me. Like I was like, okay, I'm
going out with my boyfriend now, and they're like, oh, okay,
but they're not like how dare you? You can't do that,
blah blah blah, right, like they're they know kids are kids,
right like you, Once you're dating someone, you're dating someone,

(12:11):
so for.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Sure, and were you sort of encouraged to date other
members of LDS.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
It's definitely encouraged to date people that are part of
the same religion. I think I was actually thinking about
this before coming on the podcast, because I figured that
would be a question that we'd talked about.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
And I think it just comes down to.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Finding someone who has the same values as you do
and who believes, I guess in the same God that
you do in this in some ways. And then also
we you know, one thing that's really emphasized in our
religion is the sanctity of marriage and how important marriage
is for like the grand scheme of things and for
for lack of a better term, for the eternities, right,

(12:51):
like we believe in families after death, and so because
of that, like marriage is a really sacred and important thing,
and so yeah, it is emphasized to you know, find
someone who you can marry. And so we have temples.
I don't know if you've ever heard of a temple,
but it's basically like a church, but bigger and more sacred.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
It's a sacred space.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
And a lot so marriages are performed in the temple
in our church. So kind of that the common marriage
is right till death to us part, but in our
church it's for time and all eternity. And so the goal,
I guess is to be able to get married in
the temple. And in order to get married in the temple,

(13:35):
two people have to be worthy to go to the temple.
I don't like the word worthy necessarily, but that involves
having the same beliefs.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
So that's kind of I think where.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
That that mentality and that push to marry someone of
the same religion comes from.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, I got you. Yeah. And so then did you
specifically date only members of LDS or did you ever
go on dates with other individuals outside of your religion?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Actually, good question. I think I only went on dates
with people that were members of the church. But I
didn't I didn't, honestly have to think about it too
hard because in the area that I grew up in,
most people were members. But I think that I may
have gone on a date or two, like a casual date,
with maybe one or two guys that weren't members, but

(14:23):
I had never I never really pursued anything with anyone
that wasn't a member.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Did you feel that internal pressure of like, oh, he's
not LDS, I know we can go out.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, I think it's I think it was a little
bit of both.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
So I think that there was this part of me that,
like I just kind of didn't give Honestly, looking back,
this sounds pretty snotty and rude, but I just didn't
give it the time of day. I didn't give it
a thought if someone wasn't a member. But also I
wasn't really a hot commodity. So it's not like I
had all these guys at my feet that wanted to
be dating me, because just knowing myself, I honestly don't

(14:57):
think I would turn someone away just because they weren't
a member.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Like, I think that I just never really was given
the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Like when I say I went on one or two dates,
it was like, oh, a guy in my friend group
and I went to a dance together, you know, nothing
like nothing where we were ever really planning to pursue anything. Okay,
if that makes sense. So I think that I just
kind of never had the opportunity, and I don't know
how I would have responded if I did.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
I think there's a lot of communities. I mean, I
obviously can't speak for all communities, but I believe there
are certain aspects of like the Hispanic communities, I think
there is often a little bit of pressure to like
date within like the community. Once Again, I can't speak
for everyone, but I believe also, like the Jewish community,
think there's also a bit of pressure to like only
date people of the Judaism faith. So I don't think

(15:44):
you're alone on that. Once Again, I don't know everything
about Mormonism, but I know, like it's fairly new, and
there was definitely a bit of persecution for at least
the first couple of decades it was around. So I
get like there's that pressure of, like, hey, if we
step outside the circle, we don't always know how people
are going to try, And so it just it makes sense, right,
wanting to stay in like a community. I don't think
there's anything wrong with that too, right.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
And I think it would have been different had I
grown up in a different state or a different city
where there weren't a lot of members of my church
around me, right, Like, who knows what I would have
done or who I would have dated. But I happened
to grow up in a place where it's really common.
I will say that there is kind of this weird
unspoken pressure and I don't know. I tried lightly talking

(16:29):
about this because it may be interpreted the wrong way,
but I don't No one ever says this out loud.
But there's this weird unspoken pressure of like, you need
to get married before you graduate college, which I think
out in the real world is pretty bizarre.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
There's a yeah, uh, that does seem like a little
too soon. I would say, I think most people would
agree that seems a little too soon.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Right, that's pretty early.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
And I don't think I realized that until I was
I don't know, married or almost married, right that that
was kind of weird. I didn't go to college being
like I need to find a husband.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Right Like.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I went to college because I wanted to learn and
I wanted to get an education. But there was always
that lingering part in the back of my mind, like
if I don't get married now while I'm at you know,
Brigham Young University that's full of a bunch of Mormons,
right then that means I'm going to leave and I'm
going to probably go to grad school somewhere else, and
then my dating pool will be a lot smaller because

(17:24):
of that idea that I'll only be dating people within
my religion, and I think for me it came down
to I want to date someone with the same values
as me and who believes in God the same way
I do, because spirituality is very important to me, and
so it was really scary to me to think about
having to date people and not knowing where they stood

(17:45):
with God. Whereas if someone's a member of my church,
I at least have a little bit of an idea. Granted,
like we said earlier, everybody believes differently, so there's still
a lot of discovering there. But you're like, Okay, if
you're actively a member of this church, you probably have
some sort of connection with God in a similar way
that I do.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
No, that makes total sense. And so you mentioned you're married.
Did you guys meet at Brigham Young University and did
you get married by the time you were twenty one?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
I think I was twenty. I think I was twenty one.
Actually was I twenty one? Oh that's so weird. Yeah,
I was twenty one. I was twenty one. My husband
was twenty two.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
No, I mean, just like you said, there is that
pressure to get married at twenty one. Do you know
individuals who are who were single or are single like
outside of twenty one and is there like a stigma
of like, oh, man, she's gonna have a hard time
getting married now.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, I know people who've graduated and gone onto their
lives and they're not married, and I think there, yeah,
there definitely is that stigma of kind of like, oh,
single person whatever, mostly about women, which is a whole
other thing, Like I feel like men don't really get
the same kind of judgment. I guess. I will say though, that, uh,

(18:59):
the women in the community are kind of fighting back
a little bit to that kind of idea that you
need to get married in order to be happy, and
so that's kind of starting to slowly dissipate from all
the like everybody I talk to and on social media
and all these things, like it's starting to become less stigmatized.
But I think that for the past however many years,

(19:21):
that was just what you do. And I will say, like,
I think that part of it comes from religion, and
part of it comes from just society in general, like
glorifying marriage as like the end all be all happily
ever after, right, like, once you find your person, you'll
be happily ever after, which is just like complete crap,

(19:41):
But that's what we're fed from when we're three years old.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
You know, exactly, Yeah, thanks Disney. The movie ended when
Cinderella got married with the.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Thing, exactly, and like marriage is not where it ends
at all.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
You're, yes, exactly, And so I I do think that
people are starting to become more like aware of that,
and they're starting to kind of pick that apart a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
And you see it in the movies as well, like
it's starting to become more about the journey and the
person as opposed to their marriage or their lover or
whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Right, it's so funny. I'm sure that's also stemming from
like decades past, right, because it's just like a generational thing, right,
Like if our grandparents were taught that, where it's like, hey,
the war just happened, we need, you know, over telling
their teenagers this. They're like, all right, to go, teenage girls,
you need to go out there and make some babies
because of our Population's really hard to see all these

(20:37):
men went off to die in the war. Like I
doubt they're really saying that, but I guess there was
like that pressure of like, you know, we need more people,
and I feel like the grandparents are just taught our
moms and dads, which you know, they didn't need to
because they were growing up in the sixties and seventies
and we were just fine. And now or nowadays, and
they're just they're just saying the same things their grandparents

(20:57):
told them. Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
And I think also there's like the aspect that like
women couldn't always own land or have money in the bank,
so like they had to get married to survive, like
there was no other option, like you get married or
you die, you know. And so I think that now
we're finally to this kind of feminist point of like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait wait, like I don't need a man, but stoop
telling me I need a man, Like I'm okay.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Why are we still doing this?

Speaker 5 (21:23):
Yeah exactly, Like we're finally starting to kind of like
open our eyes and big, wait a second, what's happening.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Hey, if you fall in love early and you want
to like get married, like that's totally fine, waffully you've
thought it through, because it is a very big step
that does heavily affect your life in a lot of
different ways. But hey, you know, if you want to
do it, go for it, right but right, but yeah,
there's no need for that pressure though of like you
have to get married so young. Anyways, that was a

(21:50):
fun little tangent all about marriage and yeah and the
pressure of women to get married and fun. Fun. So
then if I may ask then about your data life,
did you date a lot of different guys in the
church out of the church before you before you found
your your husband? And if so, like did you date

(22:12):
for a couple of months for a couple of years?
Was your religion ever a big pressure on on your
on your dating experiences?

Speaker 2 (22:20):
I dated a couple different guys, but generally so okay.
So it's a kind of culture that I live in,
this kind of Mormon community, right, there is a big
pressure to date and to go on dates.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Like going on dates.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Is very common, Like every weekend people are on dates
like with different people all the time, like just dating
around like.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
A little fishing around. It's really weird. Well I just
didn't realize how weird that was until I was like older.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
The church like have date nights, Like did the church
like try to host meet greets kind of things?

Speaker 5 (22:47):
Okay, not exactly, not like they wouldn't do like speed dating, well, well,
occasionally there'd be activities, but it wasn't like it.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Wasn't necessarily the church itself. So in our church we
have a lot of different activities. Like they try to
group people by age, and they try to do like
from when you're like a kid, like when you're from
when you're six, you get together to do activities throughout
the week and stuff just to like how people make.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Friends and learn things and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
So once you hit the age of eighteen, if you're single,
right you're not married, which most people at eighteen aren't,
they'll put you. So the way we meet together is
called award. Like our congregation, it's called award, and that's
just a group of people that go to church together.
They will put all the singles together into a ward.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
They'll like make all the singles sit next to each other.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah no, like they're the only people at the church
at the time.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Oh oh wait, so sorry, so award it would be
like a time slot. Yes, a time' that's the singles time?

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Really Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Sorry, I think it's so. I think it's kind of
funny that they like, what if you didn't want to
go during that time? One, if you're like, Eh, like
I got I got stuff going on the afternoon. Can
I come up to the nine o'clock one? Would you you?

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, I mean you would be allowed.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
It's pretty standard in our church to go at the
time that your group goes. Usually it's split geographically, so
you're split based on where you live, and then they'll
just give you a time and people just plan for
to go at that time. So like, for example, I
go now, I go at nine am, and that's just

(24:25):
when I go because that's when my ward is assigned
to go. But they switch it every year, so last
year I went at noon and it's just I don't know,
that's just normal. So no one's really like opposed to
it based on time.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Some people are.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Annoyed because they're like, I don't want to go to
a singles ward and you never would be like there's
there's no kind of like discipline or anything like that,
Like you could totally go to a different.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
A bouncer outside the temple.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, they're like, you're not blong in here. That'd be
so funny in there. It's like let me in. I
just want to go to chit worship.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Please, Like.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, yeah, oh that'd be really that.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
That's good to hear that it's overall a very chill environment. Yes, yeah,
like you.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Can definitely go whenever.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
I will say, like, it's probably a little bit like
if okay, if you don't go to your assigned ward,
the bishop of your ward, which is like kind of
like the leader, Like, yeah, like a leader, he will
find a way to like probably reach out to you.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Whether it's not like a rude judgment.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
No, it's more of like hey, like what's keeping you
from coming and joining us?

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Okay like that?

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, so, and that happens. That's pretty common for people
in the ward. If you're not going, they'll be like, hey,
why aren't you coming. Most of the time it's not aggressive,
you know, there's always those people. Yeah, like I said,
there's always there's always some crazies, but most of the
time it's in like a loving way, like, hey, we
want you here with mine.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I was gonna ask about your sort of story of
like how you met your husband and that whole journey,
but is there any other fun stories you could think of,
like during the dating scene.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Do you have anything that could prompt me?

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Because I'm really bad at pulling memories out of like
a giant bucket.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Sure, so once again, feel free if I'm going out
of line. Were you allowed to like hold hands and
kiss either when you were a young teenager of sixteen
to eighteen or even afterwards. Was that sort of a
look down on thing to show basic public displays of affection.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, no's that's a good question. No, I would say
it wasn't frowned upon. It was very common, holding hands especially,
very common. Kissing very common. I think once you get
into kind of making out territory, that's where it's.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
I mean, let's face it, if you're a teenager make
it out at church, it's not exactly the place for
that activity.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
I don't know if it's normal for anyone to make
out in public. That type of thing was very normal.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
It was normal to get excited about holding hands and.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Kissing and all of that.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
I think that there was a.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Little bit of like kind of a battle of like
if you kiss, it's a slippery slope to sex, which
doesn't really make sense. It's like now that like I
am an adult and have had sex, I'm like, that's
not really how that works. But okay, like you know,
when we would start kissing and then we'd start making
out and then things would start getting you know, a
little more intense than we'd be Like then we'd be like, whoa, Okay,

(27:43):
we gotta we gotta like back up and have a
conversation about this, which I think was actually really good.
It's I think it's wonderful to have conversations about that
before just diving into things and sexually and no, it's.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
All I feel like even in the common dating scene,
I feel like it would I I'm also aways, so
I don't know everyone's feelings, but maybe on the outside
looking in, or at least from a different perspective, it
feels like it would be good to be upfront about
like I just want to flaying or maybe I'm not
looking for a long term relationship. You know, I don't
like this in bed. I just wish that this was

(28:16):
a more common practice, to be open and talk about
what you want in this relationship with another person.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah, like I'm comfortable with this. I'm not comfortable with this.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
I don't know. I feel like that's okay to like,
I mean, dude, you're just talking. It's not like you're saying, like,
so I want twenty kids. Like it does seem like
it makes sense to be upfront about like what you're
looking for, so that way there's no heart heart's broken.
But I don't know what do why now? What a why?

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Know? Something you said made me think of something funny
that isn't It's not my experience, but I've had a
lot of friends that have experienced this. Is you kind
of mentioned how like how weird it would be to
be on like a first date and be like I
want twenty.

Speaker 6 (28:56):
Kids, right yeah, But that's actually like unfortunately, I don't
want to say comment because, like I said, I haven't
experienced it, but that's like that's one of those things
that happens relatively often in this community for us, and
people are always like.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
That's so weird. Stop Like it's not like people are
like this is normal, but.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
It's like there are definitely those quirky people out there
who kind of they kind of take this idea of
marriage as important too far, to the point that they're like,
if you're not marriage material, I will not go on
a date with you.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
And it kind of sounds like it's not even marriage material,
it's just are you gonna do what I want? Almost
kind of inferring a.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Little bit, a little bit like are you the perfect
marriage partner for me? And are you gonna hit all
my check.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Mak yes, your check marks yees.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah yeah, and like that first day will be more
of like an interview process as opposed to like in
like a fun hangout you know. Kind of weird, right,
and Luckily, like like I said, I never experienced that.
I never I never went on a date with someone
that was like that, But I have quite a few
friends who have experienced that, and it's very bizarre, it's

(30:07):
very weird. But those are the type of things where
it's like a bad date story. Later on that it's
like this was hilarious and so weird.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
I hope we didn't come across with this big oxymoron
of talk about what you want, but also don't talk
about what you want. We're just trying to infer that
you can talk about what you want, and you can
talk about the future, but don't demand what you want
out of the future. Like there's definitely some lines where
you have to be like kind of flexible, right. I
think it's fine to say early in the relationship that like, hey,

(30:38):
one day I want to be a mom and so
at some point that's gonna come up. But if you're
really early on, it's like, oh, I I don't want kids.
That could be something that breaks the camel's back. That
could be the straw, and that's okay, right, But if
you're saying like, hey, I want twenty kids, I want
ten of them to be girls and at least four
of them to be named Lucy, yeah, it's not you

(31:00):
like talking about the future. That's you demanding. Hey, sweetheart,
if you want to get with me, you better expect
these things in the future. And if you can hang,
then you're just not marriage material, like trying to put
it on them. So hopefully listeners, we didn't trime across
the big ouxymoron like talk about it, but don't demand it,
don't expect.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
It well and also just like read the room.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
But also that's also a good point. You read the room. Yeah,
if someone's not feeling it, yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Don't start talking about marriage if that's not the vibe.
Like just like, I don't know, feel it out, be smart,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
But yeah, I wish, I honestly wish I had more
like funny dating stories because it was pretty chill, like
they're just like your typical typical dating getting to know someone,
starting to date, not liking them, and breaking up.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, and so then why don't we talk about then? Uh,
your husband, You guys met in you said, bringing me
young University, right, Yes.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
And no, we didn't meet like we both were going
to BYU, but we did it like meet because of it.
This is kind of a tangent. So I actually I
served a mission for my church, which just means basically,
I was like a full time missionary serving and teaching
and that kind of thing for a year and a half.
And my husband did the same thing. And we both

(32:18):
served our missions in the Philippines in the same place
in the Philippines, but we did serve at different times,
so we didn't run into each other while we were
on our missions. But after the fact, we had gotten
together with like a big group of people that had
also served in that same area. Because serving missions in
our church is very common, it's very very normal. Most

(32:39):
most kids go when they're eighteen or nineteen. Not everyone,
but it's very common to go anyway, So we we
met through that after the fact.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, that's how we met. We met just a random
party at all of garden. Its pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Did you guys already go to the same church.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
We never met each other before, because especially at by
you right, So BYU is like, what forty thousand students
and most all of them are going to church, so
it split into hundreds of wards hundreds of different churches
and time slots and whatever, So we'd never come in

(33:16):
contact with each other. We'd never met each.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Other in your relationship. Was there a lot of hang ups?
Or did you guys just like click right away and
may I ask how long were you guys dating before
you were married?

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah, these are all very good questions.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
So we met.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Let's see, we met in January, and I tried to
like message him after the fact and be like, hey,
it was so fun meeting you. And I had actually
just gotten home from the Philippines like a month prior
to that, so I was pretty new back in like
the real world.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
I guess you could, I guess sure.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Back to your community anyways.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, yeah, so I was back in my community or whatever,
and I kind of I like texted him and I
was like, hey, like it was really fun meeting you.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
We texted like I don't know three times back and
forth and it was super dry and we'd just stopped
talking and I was like, okay, he actually asked me.
He was like asking, like, oh, where are you from.
I'm like, oh, I I'm from Draper and he's like, oh,
do you know this person? And it was a girl
that he was asking about, and so I was like, oh,
he's not interested. Like he's asking me about a girl.

(34:18):
So I was like, oh, obviously he's not interested in me.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
And then I spent the next couple of weeks like
with my roommate, like laughing about how I had this
huge crush on him but he didn't like care. And
I'd like actually saw him on BYU campus, like in
the library and I tried to wave at him and
he looked directly at me and he didn't wave back
at me. And I was like, oh my gosh, like
my life is over. He does not know who I am.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
So awkward.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Whatever. But then I ended up starting I started dating
some other guy and we yeah, we started dating, and
we were dating for a good month or so, and
I then I ended up going to another little get
together and Zach, my now husband, was like got invited
and was there and I was like Oh my gosh, Like,
I hope he doesn't ask about dating because I don't

(35:05):
want him to know that I have a boyfriend because I.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Want to date or so you wanted to date Zach
at this time, but you were dating another.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, yes, I was dating another guy.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
But I was like so worried that Zach would find
out that.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
I was dating someone that he would never ask me
on a date, right, And and that kind of gave
me a little clue that I was like, I don't
think I want to be dating this person that I'm dating. Yeah,
and so and me and that guy we kind of
like we I think we were attracted to each other,
but I don't think we really liked each other that much,
like personality wise. We broke up, and then just a

(35:41):
little bit after that, I ran into Zach again another
another get together, same kind of group of people, and
we talked a lot more and started flirting whatever. But
it was right around finals, and I was like, ah,
he's probably not going to ask me out or anything,
and I don't want to bug him it's finals. But
he did end up asking me out, and then the
rest is kind of history. We just kept dating and

(36:02):
once we once we went on that like first date,
we kind of just never stop seeing each other. I
guess we only dated for five months before we got engaged.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Crazy it's a little quick, yeah, but I little quick.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
It's not unheard of, but it is a little quick. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
No, yeah, And unfortunately that's pretty common in our community
as well. So that's something that's really interesting is that
because of that kind of focus on marriage, and also
you have to factor in that you can't have sex
until you get married.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Right, So if you're like a twenty one year old
who's been dating the same person for a couple of
months and you're getting kind of horny, I get yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yes exactly, of course, Like at that time, that's not
what I was thinking, right, because I'm I was smart
enough to know, like marriage is a lifetime and eternal.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Commitment for me, Like, yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Just gonna marry someone just so I can have sex
with them, right, Like right, And I was very like
aware of that, but like looking back and like, okay,
that was definitely like it was definitely a part of
that decision, right or I don't think that's necessarily wrong,
maybe not ideal, but have.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
You thought it out? I feel like that's the biggest thing,
right as long as you think about half the wedding
night and you think more about like, okay, but I'm
gonna be with this person for decades after this marriage day.
Like people get married quickly all the time, Like it's
not it's not totally unheard of. I think people generally
throw up an eyebrow when you hear that. It's like, oh,
we got we're only dating for three months, five months, like, oh,

(37:30):
hopefully you didn't make a mistake. But I mean, if
you yes, yeah, but if you've been married for a
couple of years now, it sounds like you're already. Actually,
I don't know how long you've been married. So you
said you have a child.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
We've made We've been married for about three years, Okay,
not terribly long.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
But like looking back, sometimes I just laugh at myself
because I'm like, girl, you got engage after five months,
and like the thing is is had we waited longer,
Like I think I think genuine generally, like the advice
I would give someone else would be just wait, like
it's just like just wait, just give it time, And
I think I would have ended up marrying him anyway,
Like I'm pretty positive I would have ended up marry him.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Anyway. I'm very happy, right, I love my husband, I
love my life.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
But at the same time, I'm like, oh, another five
months of dating and getting to know each other couldn't
have hurt.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Maybe, yeah, you might have learned a couple more things
about them.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah yeah, So I mean, And I also, you know,
I do have friends that have gotten married quickly and
it ended up really bad. They ended up marrying someone
that they didn't really know very well, and they didn't
realize the type of person that they were, and then
they ended up kind of trapped in this situation. And
so I think that even though I kind of got
lucky and maybe it wasn't full luck, I think I
was very I was very smart, like in the way

(38:40):
that like I was thinking about all the things I
was thinking about him as a father.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
I was thinking about us when we you know, twenty years.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Down the road and doing this and doing that, and
just the way he supports me, the way he talks
to me, like all the different things that I should
have been thinking about, Like, I think I thought of
most of the big important things, and then with the
rest of it, I got lucky and it happened to
work out. But there are a lot of times where
people will get married that quick and it doesn't and
it doesn't end up being the person that they thought

(39:08):
they married.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, and I'm so glad that you're in a happy relationship. Obviously,
I don't want anyone to be unhappy. But for those
friends that are in bad relationships, are you allowed to
divorce in the LDS community?

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Definitely, You're definitely allowed to get divorced. I would say
that it's encouraged to fight for your marriage. I just
I feel like it would be a lot easier to
get divorced outside of the church if you weren't like
a member of And I think that with a lot
of religions it is this way, but it's different with everyone, right,
So I think that because marriage is seen as such
a sacred a sacred union, I guess, a sacred entity, right,

(39:46):
And it's also seen as a sacred promise between not
only you and your spouse, but also you and your
spouse and God, which is something I think that's unique
about marriage within our church is that it's it's a
union with God as well, and so to break that
apart is not deemed bad necessarily, but it is like,
you know, you made this promise and God will help

(40:07):
you work it out. That's kind of the mentality. It's
more of like, you know, God's gonna help you make
your marriage work. And I think that that can be
a really good and hopeful thing. But when people are
in like toxic marriages or just bad marriages, or even
sometimes borderline or abusive marriages, right like, and then they

(40:28):
still but then they're told that, well, God will help
you work it out, then that's no longer a good
mentality to have. And that's probably that's like that's like
opening Pandora's box right there.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
It's still a good thing to say.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I guess what I'm just trying to say is that
no one would ever get like look down upon you
for getting divorced. But it definitely is a little taboo
and it's not very it's not as common, I guess,
and like divorce is probably not as common within the
church as it is outside of the church. And that
maybe is not necessarily because the marriages.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Are better or not.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Maybe I don't know, but because people are more I
think they have more of a drive to fight for
it because there is that kind of religious and spiritual
pressure to stay. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I think I see what you mean. And I'm not married.
I've never been divorced. I don't see myself getting married
anytime soon. But for anyone listening, even if you are
in a very religious based setting, if your relationship is
hurting you either physically, mentally emotionally, you've tried to talk

(41:37):
to your partner about this is not working and they
are uncompromising for you as an individual, you need to
get out so that you can be a person that
you're not an attachment. You've got to be your own person.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
And aside, I just wanted to reiterate for anyone listening,
and even if you are do feel pressure from the church,
like sorry, God, I think you'll understand or maybe he'll
even appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yeah, and that's it. I mean, that's the God I
believe in.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Like, God wants you to be happy and he wants
you to He wants you to be in a good relationship.
So you know, if your relationship's not working and you've
tried and it's not working, then that's your sign.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
I guess to get out, you know, So absolutely.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Every everybody's situation is unique, and I think it's just
kind of knowing yourself, being self aware and being aware
of what you want in life, and being willing to
make the sacrifices it takes.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
To get that for sure. I mean, marriage is always
going to be tough, right. I once again, I feel
funny even saying this because I don't have the experience,
but I feel like I know quite a few married
couples and they've all said, like, there's some there's some
really rough patches, and you just gotta if you really
do care about the if you know that they're they're
a good person underneath this like shitty months they're having,

(42:47):
then you know, then stick it out. Yeah, try your
best to support them as long as they you know,
you also feel they're supporting you too.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
It's not like the second it's hard you get out
of town, right, Like it's like, you know, just try
some figure out what's going on.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
People are complicated, People have bad times, like I you know,
I'm sure everyone gets bogged down by difficult times. They
get discouraged, they get they get mad, like it just happens. Right,
We're all just people. We're just circling back around right
to like Disney, right, Disney's kind of made us think
that like we're gonna marry this perfect person. But like, nah,
you know, I mean this is sort of a whole

(43:22):
nother tangent. But that whole like toxic mentality is like
almost toxic in itself of like, oh you've done a mistake,
then you're toxic. I feel like sometimes it go almost
like goes a little you know, obviously, yes, if they
are harming you, then yes, But if they're just like
you know, I don't know, debating, if they're just like yeah,
if they're if they're arguing with you because they have

(43:43):
different opinions.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
If they disagree with you.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yeah, Like that's not necessarily toxic, bab. That just means that,
like you're different people, and maybe it's good to stick
it out and make connections, to understand, to be to
try to be empathetic and understand where they're coming from.
That's just a whole nother aside. Oh goodness, I know.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Like that we could probably talk about that for an hour.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I know, I love it. I'm so lad. I'm glad
we got to these really a good, good seeds of
conversation that hopefully will be sparked further from this podcast.
That's all. That's my biggest hope from this show is
that people just listen and they hopefully want to talk
about it with other people, these these bigger themes. And
I have one more question for you, and once again,
feel free to let me know if I am going

(44:23):
too far or I'm pushing any buttons. But this is
a stereotype that people often think about with the Mormon
religion and culture. Yeah, does your husband plan on getting
married again? Like, do you have any intent of getting
multiple spouses in your relationship? Because I think polygamy is
often thought of connected with Mormonism.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Right, that's a great question. No, not at all. That
actually is not like practiced.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
At all religion anymore.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
But I do know that that's a very common misconception.
There is kind of like what you're talking about earlier,
there is kind of a sect of Mormonism is split
off from the church that still practices that that sect
of the religion has been basically disowned by the church,
if that makes sense. So it's not it's not considered
the same religion by people that are Mormons.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
So for the for the most part, that's not a
very common thing. But it sounds like there's there might
be a few people out there.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
But well, I have a hard time saying that there's
even a few people out there because those people aren't Mormons.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
There, I see there. It's a it's a totally different
church that came from the same roots.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
They're not the Latter day Saints' Church. It's like a
different they call themselves something different.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, it's I can't even remember what it's called, like
I think fundamentalists or something. So it was like way
back in the eighteen hundreds they split off because polygamy
was a thing way back in the eighteen hundreds and
it was stopped.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Those people that still wanted.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
To continue that broke off to do something else. And
now you know, the church has evolved so much that's
not even Yeah, so no, I guess it is the answer.
I'm glad you asked, though, because I think people do
wonder about them exactly.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah, it's something that I think still people think of
with Mormons sometimes.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Well, thank you so much for answering that, and glad
I didn't push any butgeons all right, thank you so much,
Addie for everything. So if you have advice to give
four potentially either people of the LDS Church who are
in the dating scene, maybe individuals who are dating people
of the LDS Church, what would you say to them.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
I don't know what I'm about to say, so we'll
find out when I say it. But I just think
that for anyone like it kind of just comes down
to like knowing who you are and when you're when
you're dating in like a religious like if you're a
religious person, if you're a spiritual person, or if you're
dating someone who's spiritual and religious, just know that that's
really important to them and that that's okay.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
But at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Like your view of like dating and marriage or whatever,
and how God views that, that's up to you, and
that's up to what you believe. You're allowed to stand
for what you believe, and it's not wrong of you
to want certain things from a relationship and to value
certain beliefs, not in like a discriminatory way, but it

(47:16):
makes sense that you would want to date somebody that
believes similarly as you. But at the same time, you
also have to be open to the fact that every
single person is going to believe differently than you, Like
they just are.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Like me and my husband were part of the same religion,
We both grew up in the same religion, right, but
we have very different beliefs about God. I mean, maybe
we have some of those fundamental beliefs that are the same,
but when it comes to the kind of nitty gritty
and the nuance, it's different. And so if you're dating
someone who's religious, who's spiritual, don't assume they believe anyone

(47:50):
thing just because they have a certain label, just because
they're Mormon or their Presbyterian or their Baptist or their
Muslim or whatever.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Right, it doesn't matter what religion you are. Our religion
is about a connection with God or a higher power,
and so I just think it's really important to ask
each other those things. And like, if you want to
have a spiritual connection with the person that with your partner,
then ask them what they believe about spirituality. I don't
know everybody.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Believes in something so different, but at the end of
the day, we're all just looking for a way to
feel hope and to feel happiness and to feel joy.
And so it just comes down to knowing, like your
values in life and how that relates spiritually. But just
just don't don't put somebody else in a box before

(48:38):
you ask them a question. I think that's one of
the hardest things, like, because there there are a lot
of kind of teachings within the Mormon Church that are
there's a couple that are harmful to communities like you know,
the LGBTQ community, But not everybody in the church believes
those things, right, right, So I have I have so

(49:00):
many friends that are part of the LGBTQ community, and
I love nothing more than to support them and their
love and their happiness and their joy. But because I
have the label Mormon, it's hard like people don't see
me that way sometimes, and that's okay, Like that's fair.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Assumptions go both ways. Absolutely, judgments can go both ways.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
So I think the advice I would just give to
everyone is that if you're looking to date someone and
they happen to be part of a community that you
don't understand or you don't know, instead of making a judgment,
just ask them questions.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
If they're like if you're like.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Oh, I'm worried that they're Mormon, because they probably won't
hold my hand, well, well, most of them they're going
to and if they're not, it's probably not because they're Mormon.
It's probably because they don't want to hold your hand.
It's just like, ask people questions and don't make assumptions.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Because you never know. You never know who someone is
until you ask them, until you get to know them.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
So no, thank you, Addie, and I love how you
tied it all back around to people are unique, people
are different. For all looking for just a human connection.
We're all just looking for just the things to make
us happy in life, and we're all just but at
the same time, we're all just so so very different

(50:11):
and just so good to talk. I love that. I
think that was really good advice. Well, Addie, thank you
so much. This has been a really fun episode. I
really enjoyed it. Thank you so much for teaching me,
hopefully teaching a lot of the viewers. And also just
like telling your stories. Uh, is there anything that you're
working on that you want to tell people that you're
working on?

Speaker 2 (50:32):
I guess like, if you wanna hear more from me,
if you happen to have enjoyed what I've said, you can.
I am on I'm on Instagram, my Instagram is just
dot me Dot Addie a d d Y. And then
I also have a podcast. It's called tell Us Everything,
so you can find that on you know, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, whatever,

(50:55):
and it would just be tell Us Everything pod. You
can also find us on Instagram, same thing. We mostly
just do fun stories and hang out and laugh and talk.
So if you like podcasts that are fun, then go
ahead and come listen. And I think that's kind of kind.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Of it amazing. Thank you so much again, Addie for
coming out.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, yeah, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Addie was so great. I mean I learned so much,
not only because I'm not Mormon and so it was
really interesting just to hear those whole dating steps. If
you are LDS, I love what you said at the
end about don't make assumptions. If you're making assumptions about somebody,
more than likely someone is making an assumption about you.
So it's good just to keep an open mind when

(51:36):
you meet new people. I hope you did a little
bit of laughing, learning and or loving today. Thank you
again to Matt Langston from the Jelly Rocks for letting
us use their song Glued. You can find their song
down in the description if you want to look for
more of their work. If you love what you heard today,
feel free to leave a review and a rating. And
if you think you have a perspective or a story

(51:59):
to tell, please send us email. We'd love to hear
about it. Maybe you can come on our show. Please
come back next week for more unconventional love story. And remember,
don't keep your cards too close to your chest or
you'll never open up to a new hand. Have a
great day, see you soon.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
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