October 6, 2024 • 51 mins
The Black Effect Presents... All The Smoke!
NFL legend Lawrence Taylor joined us for an intimate and wide-ranging conversation about his extraordinary life and career. LT takes us on a journey from his early days playing pickup basketball at UNC to becoming the most dominant defensive player in NFL history. He shares candid stories about his relationships with coaching giants Bill Belichick and Bill Parcells, and reflects on how he revolutionized the game of football.
Taylor also opens up about his experiences with New York City's vibrant nightlife and celebrity scene during his playing days. The interview touches on his transition to Hollywood, including his role in the film "Any Given Sunday." From golfing adventures to encounters with Michael Jordan, this episode offers unprecedented insights into the life of a sports icon.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
New York seven.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
You and l V lember to Larry Johnson.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Let's go ask where we should go? And y'all flooded it, man, So.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
We appreciate the love than that, y'all coming out and
showing us love.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We appreciate y'all. M hm hm Jack.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Great way to end this la rep runoff with the
with the absolute legend, arguably the greatest of all time. Man,
Let's walk up to the show. Lawrence table Man hell
two times Super Bowl chap eleven time All Pro, three
time Defensive Player of the Year, was robbed with only
one MVP in eighty six, again arguably one of the
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greatest of all time. How is life currently right now?
I'm sure you get a lot of golf in you
know what, I tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
My golf game right now it's not where it used
to be.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I heard at one point you're like a two handed
cap two.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I mean I used to be like a plus two.
But now you know what, I've gotten old. I've got
no old. God say a life is treated me poorly.
I've gotten old. I thought I would never get old,
you know. I thought I would beat the baddest on
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the earth for at least fifty He's still up there. Okay,
now we're still up there.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Michael Strahan, Yeah, Michael Strahan. Michael straight said, he said,
he just stopped being afraid of You's intimidating.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
And it took me until hell recently to not be
intimidated when I see.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I tell you, life is what it is. Uh, the
game of football, I don't watch it the way I
used to watch it, you know, because now this has
changed a little bit. Nobody want to hit nobody, you know. So,
but we're not gonna talk about my problem. We'll talk
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about your problem. I'm decorry college just.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Right, urban legend or truth. You've shot ten holy ones
in your golf ten.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yes, I haven't a.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Man for the furthest one out? What was your first
one out?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Probably the furthest one out was to twelve? Because see,
I'm not like you. I don't play from the frontiers
the way.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I play all the way to the Whites.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I played all the play back.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I played the Whites or the Blues.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
The locker room I did up in front of the build,
the tips that I don't know this. I don't know this.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Hey, everyone said, I mean, we talked to James Worthy.
We've talked to a lot of different people. Everyone that
you're just a super athlete. Anything you put your mind to,
you were able to accomplish, either than your football career.
Speech for yourself, but James Worthy said, you used to
hoop with them and open gyms. Be the most athletic
person out there. Obviously your golf game is Where did
just your athletic problemsts come from?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I guess I learned from my dad and as I
got older, you know, like I said, I started out
as playing baseball. You know. I was when I was
six years old. I went out for baseball. I made
every All Star team until every All Star team except.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
My first year.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
My first year I didn't and every other team I
was always at All Star. And one day at Lafayette
High School, the coach came to me, he said, listen, hey, uh, well,
t wo you need to come out and play football.
I've been playing baseball, you know, going into my junior year.
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You know, he said, listen, you should have started. You know,
you need a place. And he challenged me to go
out there and play football. So I went out for
the sixth first six weeks. Man, they just kicked my ass.
I mean, all this day I'm running with listen, all
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this hitting. I ain't mad at nobody. And then in
my junior year, the first play of the second quarter,
the guy in front of that it was I was
the second team, you know, and he he went down
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and I had a great game. I had a great game.
I won the game for the team, and suff it
was a whole great game. And guess what the next game,
I got better. Then I got better, then I got better.
Then I got better and got it, and I got better
and ended up all American, you know, one of the
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top players in the country. Short amount of time. It
just got better and better and better. And then my
senior year, I still played baseball. And let me tell
you something, I was a hell of a baseball player.
I was the catcher. But hey, when I hit.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
A ball, nobody say I got it. They say I
go get it.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
But I tell you I enjoyed and my junior year,
my senior year, and then all of a sudden, I
go to college and play play football. Once I got
that thing in my mind that I couldn't even go
to sleep every every when I go to bed that
night and say I'm playing a team the next morning
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or the next day. By the time I get to
the game, I've already played that game twenty times already.
I've already played it twenty times a month. I already
know what the hell you're gonna do. Ain't but so
many Listen, guy lines up here and you give them
the ball. But ain't, but so much you can do it? Okay,
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you know shitna run it? Or you line up on
the player and I look at your formation. Ain't for
so much you can do for a formation. You can't
just you can't just make it happen. No, No, And
guys gotta gotta learn how to read the formation, because
you know there's a hundred plays in in football, one
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hundred different plays and stuff. Well, if you look at
the formation, you can narrow narrow it down to three
or four plays. Even, so many things you can do
and if somebody else's move a goddamn but one thing
you can do, all right. So that's how I am.
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That's how I look at the game. Yeah yeah, look
at the signs and then don't act. Now, if I
was in the science class, I wouldn't know what I
wouldn't I wouldn't understand either, Just me too. Ship.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Before we get into football, I really want to touch
on what do you remember about the pickup games of
North Carolina on the basketball court? I mean you were
in school with somebody.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Let me tell you something. Hey, look we hit back
in the day. We used to going to go out
there and we play and play and and I remember
for the the intermediate Uh yeah, yeah, we won the
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championship because you know, but we was disqualified because we cheated.
But you know, we ain't really cheat. One of our
players he was actually he wasn't actually in school. Okay, yeah,
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technicality against that. But I used to go out there
and play with all the boys, I mean, Jordan James Worthy,
all those guys that I used to go out there
and play. And what.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Was your game like?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Well, see, the problem is I couldn't hit nothing from
like thirty five feet, but thirty one thirty anything. And
they used to say they just say that, say, well
I could, I could, I could shoot the ball. I'm
off and I'm decent in defense. I already got mad
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because they only give you six files, you gardener, getting
more than six files. I need more than six fis.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Imagine somebody imagine you having more than six foules.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
We dead lt is on me. I'm passing that bitch.
Cut it out, someone else do something.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I love the years that Carolina. I think it's one
of the best schools far as getting meeting people and
and and and.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Just that the whole preparing you for life.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah. Yeah, because I've been to a lot of ship
that the lot of ship that Carolina, you know, been
threatened to kick. Maybe this is one year, okay, I'm
not gonna tell you. Come on, going in too much.
Senior year and we're out and some of my boys
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and stuff, and they got this big old festival and stuff, right,
So we go to the festival because it's right there
at Aaron House. And we go to the festival and
a couple of my boys stole a couple of items
from the festival. So they gave him to me the
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whole because like, you know, ain't nobody gonna suck Maybe,
I mean, save my language, but anybody's gonna mess with me.
So I sit there and I held the ambers and
then all of a sudden, the the the lady, that's
what the ta or whatever that the lady is, she
came over there and saw it fussing, arguing stuff. I
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got anyway, I got sent to back in college. Uh
to court. Uh you know the campus court, you know.
So I got sent there, me and a couple of
mother boys. And so what they did is I wasn't
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allowed to stay on South campus anymore, you know. So
I was allowed to stay on Stamp campus. And you know,
this going into my senior year, and I'm worried about
if I'm going to be able to play my senior year.
So decided, you know, he can play, he's just not
allowed to be on South campus. Okay. So they put
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us on in a building on North campus, fourth full
story building. It was four of us, guys. Four We
all had a floor. I could stay on the first floor,
somebody else got to stay on the second, four, third, fourth, greatest.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
So so you got in trouble and it got better.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Oh God, the greatest it was a girl, hey, and
it was a girl's dorm, bete right across now, greatest
it was.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
It was one time. The trouble was that want to
work for me? All bad trouble turns into gold. I'll
tell you speak to your friendship. Obviously every week you
got a good relationship with Michael Jordan. But how's that start?
And how is it in one of those golf matches, like,
I know you guys both being very competitive.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Well, Mike, when I actually my senior year, not my
senior right after I seen my rookie year in and
at the Giants. Mike came to school that year. So
I came back to finish up school that summer. And
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so he was playing with the team, practice with the team,
and uh, what what's the coach thing? Dean Smith allowed
me to practice with him, right, he allowed me to practice,
and Mike was always every time I turned around, he
just saked. Hey, call him foul foul, foul, foule. I
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just hit you a little bit, Come on, man. So
every time Mike had the ball, I wanted to guard.
I wanted to guard Mike because it was and it
was the pain you gun I am because I know
Michae was dropping you off. Yeah, yeah, he gonna drop
me off. He's gonna drop me off of a little
something in his egg gonna Yeah, I'm gonna throw something now.
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So you know, I'm not saying that I'm a fair player.
I'm just saying I'm a player player. I'm not saying
but hey, we used to have a great time doing that.
He is truly, you know, he's one of the best.
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But I'm the best when I come to when it
comes to fouling, though, But you dun't. You can't ask
that question, could I dump?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
It?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Was?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
How you want it? Really?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
How you want it?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Okay, how you want it? I know I heard it.
I heard you wanted back. What's all that? I could
do anything I wanted.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
To get your way.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I was an athlete, man, Yeah yeah, I mean I
was in the NBA and I couldn't do half that ship.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So I had to ask, I couldn't do it?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
How did how did golf come into your game? And
obviously you guys have heard legendary stories about just the
competitive with you two on the golf course.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Mike, it's competitive in anything he do. Okay, listen, he
does nothing half ass nothing. I mean, I don't. I
don't care if it's if it's if it's shooting marbles.
He does nothing half ass. You know. He wants to
be the best at everything he does, and pretty much
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he is. But we have but we have a great job.
We have a great job.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Not many people can say they actually changed the game
in any sport.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You actually did it in football. How does how does
it feel when people tell you that, we say change
the game? What the what the fuck do you mean
by that? I can tell you what our our definition
would be.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
You as far as from the position you played, you
made the game physical, You made it entertainer. You you
show people how to play the game with passion, leave
everything on the line, willing to die to win the game,
like a lot of people don't.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Automatically. You can't teach that. No, so you had that,
and you did it on the highest stage.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
And for people to con you as the best defensive
player of all time, that says a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I love I loved past best, loved the game of
love the game of football. I love the contact. I
don't want to go out there and go through a
walk through. No, I got to hit somebody, Okay, that's what.
That's what I do. I hit somebody. I mean when
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I dad gonna started stripping, nobody does. Nobody was doing that. Hey,
I invented the stripping the ball because I said, if
if I'm going to you're gonna run the ball and
I tackle you, you still got another play. But if
I tackle you and I stripped that ball, guess what,
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it ain't George no more. And that's what. And I
remember I used to do that, and then all of
a sudden, when we got to the Giants, I was
doing it so much. Is that they started teaching having
strips practice. Yeah, stript practice and stuff. I mean, yeah,
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a lot of things. I changed the game too. I
played against a lot of good players. But just like
my dad always told me, say, you got to be
better than the next man just to be equal. So
goddamn get out there. But you know, and that's what
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I do. And that's what I'm saying because at the
end of the day, hey, I want to be the best.
Now just days I didn't gone out and maybe had
too much drink. But let's say I'm wanting to stay
on your ass from from fifteen of one five zero
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zero until it go down to zero zero zero one.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I love it. We had a Michael Strahan on the
show and he was just telling some some legendary stories
about how you didn't like the practical when you did,
you win one hundred miles an hour. There was no bullshit.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I didn't like the white practice.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, he said you didn't.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
He said, you did. I was at that time. He
got there, was they going thirty some years old. I
ain't got a practice no more.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
He said, you would earned the respective.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
But he didn't have to say I don't want to.
I don't want to go out say no, no, no.
I remember when I used to go out there. I'm
all geared up, I got, I got, I got stuff
on my hands. I got did they go on vand
I'm all locked up and I'm ready ready to kill.
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About six seven years later, I'm like, hey, hey, got
ship strapped up? You want it? You want to now?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You want it in the game.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
What I'm saying, I work on Sundays. Guy there.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
He also said sometimes you would He said you would
sleep during the meetings, but wake up another whole game plan.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That dad going, Bill Belichick. You know, he would sit
down and he'll go over these dad going these plays
and stuff, and I'm looking at it and I go
on to sleep, and then I was like, I said,
get your ass up. He said, tell me what your
what you do on display. I don't tell him. I
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tell him what I do, but I can tell him
what everybody does. I knew one thing about football. I
know what everybody is doing on that football field. I
know what the tackle's doing. I know what the nose
tackle's doing. I know what the both linebackers doing. Hey,
I know what the DB's doing. All the safeties. I know.
Only person I don't know what the hell is going
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is me. Because I want to do what I wanted,
what I feel. I gotta do what I feel. But see,
I gotta you gotta do what I feel. But I
gotta stay within the framework of the defense, because if
I don't, I screwed him up. So I do what
I wanted to do to a point, but I stay
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within the framework of the defense.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Bill Belichick was your defensive coordinator. Say you the great
defensive player of all time? We all know and he listen,
he right right, He's definitely right.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
What was Bill like back then, late Jackson, when Belichick
first came in he was assistant special teams coach. Assistant
to the special teams coach. You gotta load that. Anyone
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know what damn that ship is. But but and then
his second year he became special teams coach. His third
year was Bill park Sells first year as a head coach,
and he named Bill Belichick the defensive coordinator. Man. I
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had a fit. I mean I was, I was, I
was raising, hell the fuck this man? Man? Get back?
Then and there shack some balls and I was, I was,
I was really pissed. I went into Bill's office. I said, Man,
what the fuck are you doing? Manden? Hey, you're gonna
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name him as as defensive coordinator? And Bill told me,
he said, let me tell you something. All the defenses
that we've been running for the last couple of years
of Bill Belichick's design. He designed all these daggon defense. Yeah, hey,
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he den behind all the defenses for for And I
was shocked, and I gave him my I told Bill,
he was ship, I give you my blessings. Man, go ahead,
and I'm to tell you what. Personality wise he's whatever andever.
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But I'll tell you what for Somebody that knows football
knows defense. Knows. Hey, he knows what you're supposed to do. Oh,
he's bad. He's a bad man. He's a bad man.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Parcels.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Bill Parcells has always been my main man. You know,
I'll do anything for Bill. You know, Bill Love. He
was a guy that brought me to the Giants, and
I remember he was and he taught they he worked
with me, And I ain't gonna say that he worked
with me. God damn already knew what I was doing
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when that got there. But he I member Bill. I'm
telling you a quick story. I member Bill Parcells. Parcells.
My first week in the NFL, Parcells was on my ass.
I mean you know, I was on the second team.
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I was on the second team. John Scoorpan was in
front of me. I was on the second team. That
last no, I was on the third team. I was thirteen.
That lasted about five minutes, Okay, Then I moved to
the first team. That took about another two minutes. So
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I'm sitting there and Bill is telling me he's on
my ass every fun because because you know, when you
he's something, you see a diamond in a rough. You know,
you can't just hey, you gotta you got to talk
to him and make him go and the right direction
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and stuff. So he was make me go the right direction.
But every play he was on my ass. I was
just coming out of college, you know, and university. Every
play he's on my ass. Oh, you gotta be over here,
you gotta be here, you gotta be here, you gotta
be here. I'm saying there, I'm making it. I would
dig on rush the quarterback. The quarterback was set up,
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throw the ball thirty yards down field. I would turn
around and run down there and knock the ball away.
And he said, what the fuck are you doing down there?
The hell you doing thirty hello? Every day on my ass,
my ass? And I finally say, hey, hold up, coach,
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hold on. You can do whatever you want. You can
trade me, you can cut me, you can put John
score Pan back at a linebacker. I don't care, I said,
I don't care, but you've got to stay off my
ass because I tell you what I can't. I don't
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work like that. It didn't work like that in college.
It ain't gonna work like that in here because of
this day. I can't work like that. And Bill Paul say,
he looked at me. He said, Okay, I think he said, okay, motherfucker.
But I don't know what he said, but I think, okay,
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never worked for the Brothers. That never works for the Brothers. Brothers, sorry,
he said. He said, Okay, I tell you what I'm
gonna do. I'm gonna let you do it your way.
That works for the Brothers. He said. As soon as
you mess up, I'm gonna be in your ass and
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you're gonna do it my way. I tell him, that's
very cool. I never had another commosation with him for
the next twelve years. Yeah, he had no problem with
what I was doing. I love it. You know.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Did you see the viral video of Belichick leaving his
girlfriend's house with his shirt off? Like a month ago.
Bill Belichick just retired and he was leaving his girl's house. Okay,
so what's the problem?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Nothing at all, bro, ain't no problem. Did you see it?
What the problem?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Ain't no problem.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I just want to know if you.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Got a coach your first year, you went rookie the year,
defensive player of the year. I mean, what your step.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
K the defensive player of the year.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
What's the problem?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I want it all?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, what I mean, what's your first thoughts? I mean,
obviously this is the top of that supposed to be
the toughest and you're going here.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
And hey, when I first came into the NFL, I'm serious,
after going to Carolina, you know, playing at North Carolina Ceth.
When I first came to the NFL, it was like
a man playing with boys the Johnts day. They've been
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playing football for all these guys I'm playing for thirty
forty years or whoever it is. Hey, they didn't care
no more. They didn't They weren't excited about winning or
last ten years, last fifteen years. They weren't excited about
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a winning. They just just going through the damn motion.
All the players are just going through the most of
because hey, John's hadn't won the dagg on a playoff
berth in the last fifteen to twenty years. Right, They're
just going through the motion. And I refuse to go
through the motions. And I would go to practice and man,
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and listen, when I go to practice, I go to practice,
I go to work, you know, I go to work
and I'm like, hey, let's say, hey, I'm gonna hurt somebody. Okay,
I mean to hit somebody, but hurt but listen. But
it wasn't until and then Parcels. I remember when Parcels
used to call meetings and he want all the all
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the all the the older players to come that because
those were the teams captains and stuff like that. And
and and I remember when he called the meeting and
he asked me, he said, hey, l T, I want you,
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I want you in this Well I wasn't LT. Then
I was Lawrence, Okayn, I want you in this meeting.
And I went to the meeting and and I said God,
and I felt funny because I got all these senior
guys in there, you know, all the Harry Carson, Phil Simms,
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uh uh, Brian Kelly, all the senior players were in there,
and I don't know what the hell am I doing.
He said, listen, because look at that group. You said
you better than all of them. That hit me. And
I'll tell you I when I went out there on Sundays,
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no matter where I'm coming from.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Hey, I come to work, come to work. I'm ready
to talk to us a.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Little bit about those those New York Knights. And I
mean you had plenty of them. Mike Tyson was out there.
Dyale Strawberry Dwight Gooding yourself. There was a lot of
young black, rich talent out New York in the eighties
all the time.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Listen, and we all went to the same place. He's
not here. Yeah, he's not here, the Dago Cluffe Covin
uh and in New York City, he's not here. That
was the hottest place, hottest. He's not here. He's not here. Boy,
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I'll tell you what, uh uh Ship.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Taking him back at the moment, take us back to
he's not here.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
What would it be like right now? We was in
he's not here with you right now, I'm spoken for him.
Thank you. It was that popping in there, It was
it was amazing. If you got that body, you got Mike, Tyson,
you got you got everybody and there's somebody.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, Mayor were you there with What was it like?
Would you and Mike develop a friendship? Tyson?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
You know what? See Mike, you gotta be careful around Mike,
you know. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
But Michael, guy, I'm thinking about that right now, like
you worry about Mike.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Ship, I've been in the room with Michael. I'm in
the room with jobs. I don't know how I was
sitting there. You listen, you're gonna mic sometimes and listen.
He's a great guy, love to death, and we have
a great relationship. But you may say the wrong thing
you don't even know, and then all of a sudden
your asses and your ass is in trouble. What hey,
(31:37):
But what what a great man? I tell you? And
I think about all the people I've met, uh in
New York in the through sports and stuff, you know,
and like Tice, all kinds of baseball players, basketball players.
(31:59):
I mean, listen, I used to sit out there with
he uh when Mike would come to the to the
Jordan would come to the Mason Square guarden, sit on
the floor and then we'd be talking. But all the things,
all the people that I've met, and all the people
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that have played in New York and and I mean
missed October, I mean all everybody got, you know, it's
like a family. And yeah, I'm I'm happy to be
here because I can't think of any other place I
could have gone to where I can control the situation.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
But you mentioned all these great people, but you were
the biggest star.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I was the biggest star. It wasn't the biggest I
was big. That wasn't big no, No, to a point, boy,
if I would have got sleep at night, I would
have been We understand that too. Yeah, I mean that
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was you know, Jack and I were both known.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
That's how we met. Was we been hard on off
the court? Do you ever feel like what you did
and you know obviously you're kind of speaking to it.
You know, the night life ever hindered you?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Oh? Yeah, I mean, you know, I look back at
I look back at it now. But did you know what?
And I say to myself, I say to myself, look
where you're at now, I mean, or look, whether you
have achieved, chieved? Could you have done it better? Now?
(33:43):
If I would have gone home every day, if I
would have dead, gone go to the gym every day,
if I didn't drink Johnny Walker black every day, could
I have been better? Maybe not? Maybe that was your
ship though I don't know. I don't know, maybe not.
(34:05):
How could you know when you still end up being him? Buddy.
Guys don't drink, don't smoke, and they do everything.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
They just ain't got it.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
It just got it. It just ain't in them. A
lot of people like that all the time.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
The mental side of the game. Something like you said,
you prepared. You need the formations, but also the intimidation side.
So on top of the mental intimidation because they knew
you as a bad motherfucker. Were you a big ship
talker too?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Am I gonna talk ship? I don't mean to be rude,
but motheruck. If you can't play, you can't play. God damn,
get off the field. I mean to get somebody else.
I used to sit there and listen, hey, hey, hey, hey,
hey hey, you're blocking.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Me long day.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Why don't you tell the coach you got a cold
or something? Hey? Uh, it's once you get the the
timing of the game, the feel of the game. The uh.
(35:22):
If you get to a point where you think you
can beat some one person all the time, oh god,
I feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for him.
I made shire help. You know you got you got? Baby?
At least hit me one time where I'm like, oh shit,
this guy. Make him play a little bit, you know. Yeah,
(35:43):
it works that way, but it is what it is. Man,
football great sport. I enjoyed it. I mean I lived it.
I dreamt about it. I I I'm all about contact.
I don't listen, don't get me involved in a two
(36:04):
hand touch a game. I want contact because that's all.
And don't give me the daggon, don't give me the
second string. I used to hate that someone's coming and
bring the second string guy and put over me. That's
an insulting Listen, what the hell he gonna do? I
wanted to beat the best that you got, you know,
(36:26):
Anthony Munos and something like that. Guy, Hey, I want you.
I want the best that you got, Anthony, Larry Allen.
H just just several. I mean, there's a couple of
guys that played for and for San Francisco. Uh uh uh.
(36:46):
There was one guy from Saint Louis. I mean, a
black dude. I've got his name now, but because he
didn't leave a card, you know. But uh yeah, oh boy, Okay,
(37:12):
that's enough.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Okay, moves and TV shows that acting come naturally like
everything else pretty much.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I mean, let's say, because you know what, most of
the movies I mean, I play me, Yeah, you know,
I played me. I mean it was only a comfort
movies that was way offline, like the one that played
when I was I was a preacher that was way
that was way offline. Man. But moe was that I
(37:40):
forgot the name of it, but you've been a preacher.
Probably why we didn't see it. That's why we didn't
see it. Probably ship ship nothing, gold show, Oh damn
it go the ship damn oh fu love love love
(38:02):
one love what God? I can't wait to rob him.
I can't wait to rob I can't wait to rob
this one. What's up? Bro?
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Talk to us about any given Sunday we had Jamie
on the show. He said there was beef with Team
him in l L. What was that experience like? Because
to me, that's one of the great football movies ever.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I go, I mean drug Rehab. Okay, it was nineteen
where he was that nineteen ninety seven, seven seventh of
ninety eight. You know, how were you there with me?
(38:51):
The movie? Movie came out ninety nine, right russe number.
When year the movie came out. I said, y'all see Okay, yeah,
well we we filmed, we filmed here, were feeling in Florida.
We actually went We filmed in Florida, okay, and then
we moved. Then we went to Dallas. But anyway, I'm
(39:11):
trying to say, I'm sitting in a drug rehab and
my last one, my last we had. I ain't had
no more. But Oliver Stone came all the way to
the That's that's crazy right there. Olive Stone pulled up
(39:32):
on rehab. He all came to the rehab me and said, listen, hey,
I want you to play a part in the movie.
And I said, I don't know if I can, because
you know, hell, according to these motherfuckers, I want to
be here for a while.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
So I go.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
And then all of a sudden they hired what was
the big guy from like the Green Mile, and uh,
Michael Michael Clark duncan, right, so I get out of rehab.
But they hired Michael Clarke Duncanto to play the role
as Shark. Right. You know, he's practiced of these practicing
(40:25):
and stuff, and they you know, doing stuff, and so
he said in the office Stone, he said, let's not
tell you what we're shooting in Miami once you come
down and and give us some porners for like a
like an expert on hand, you know. So I said,
I go on down there. I'm sitting there on this
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and and they run this stain, run this this, this,
they run this play and uh, Michael duncan he he
it's this guy. And all I could see was Marshmallows,
Tell what the hell is that? It's nothing real? I
(41:10):
mean and arv stole. He came to me say, I
just don't feel it. I can't feel it. You know
I can't. I can't feel it. He said, do me
a favor, he said. I said, yes, sir. He said,
go inside, put on the uniform, show the past helmet,
(41:34):
put on some gear, and come out and show him
how to run this play, right. I said, okay, you're
paying me. I go in, I go out, go inside,
come back out. Hey the play. We run the play
(41:54):
bam bam bam. I come in, I fill the hole.
I hit the something boom and this said he and
I thought he was dead anyway, but alvut Stone jumps up.
That's what I'm talking about. That's the type of ship
I wanted to see. He looked at Michael Duny, say
you fine on the spot, on the spot, fine, lt
(42:21):
let's play. And and so he gave me his part.
And that's how that's how I thought, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
The way with the chainsaw cutting the car and half.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Yeah, but I'm laying on the field taking that last hit.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
You made that look so real like it made me
feel like we've seen it makes you like we've seen.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
You on the field in real time in that same
position before.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
That's how good you made that character. I'm not saying
I was a good show. I was into the moment
the show. Yeah, you have me believe in it. I
thought you was really hurt. I thought you I thought
you really hurt out. I ain't hitting nobody at.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Home, quick hitters.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
We're gonna finish it off when we don't feel in
the blank. Lawrence Taylor would be wouldn't be here without
I wouldn't be well you say here like here in
this room today today, I wouldn't be here today. Web
styles my dog niche yeah, my girl, Yeah, yeah, all right,
(43:35):
that's right. I wouldn't. I wouldn't because I got some
some legal ship that be doing.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Stupid.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I might met my match job, Yeah, top me.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Phil Simps told the story one time about you him
you driving down the term probably going fast as he
thought he was gonna die.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
You took your chew.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Out and threw it out, and your super Bowl ring
came off to.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Truth to that soup for the souper, No ring. My
super Bowl ring never.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Came off, was it? A ring or anything or was
that just you was just making it sound good.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
It was just spit that came out. Yeah, that wasn't true.
Go ahead, next, childhood my childhood crush. H damn a
childhood crush probably though, one of them, uh, one of
(44:38):
them Jackson's. But I'm not talking about Michael. Yeah, no, Michael.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I don't need no Michel.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Okay, what else? Stupid ship? You got more stupid question?
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Your favorite album of all time?
Speaker 2 (45:03):
It got me some type of Luther vandraw. You like
to chill it out? Wots to me? Taste something? When
I started doing that, how do you think I caught her.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Big Luther a little? The ear ring, the earring, the
single ear ring.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
You started a fashion trend way back. When Where'd that
come from?
Speaker 2 (45:38):
You know, I'm not really sure, but I know when
I came into the league, they started calling me l
t Oh, no, it was it was Lawrence at first,
you know, or Larry or something like that. It was, yeah, okay,
(46:00):
you look like Larry, but a guy that made made
the air ring for me. And because my first year,
(46:22):
my second year into the league, I started being identified
as LT and you know, we had one two defensive
players over the years. Well, I said, so they identified me.
It's just and I've always wanted to be like, you know,
(46:42):
like Michael Jorge m j uh signature. You know that
Michael Jackson. He's in there too. But man, the guys
that were just identified just by their always wanted to
do that, and it started to happen. I just stayed
(47:03):
on that boat.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Couldn't tell you ship, They can't tell me. Lawrence Taylor
Family Foundation. You can have your daughter come help explain
it if you like. But talk to us, yes, yes, yes, yes,
come on.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Hey, I'm tell you what we can from there. Now.
It's a great foundation. And tell you what they we
We work with a lot of kids, and I mean
the things we have done over like like food. I
mean as far as we're providing for uh families that
come over, they can they can come and get food
(47:39):
on weekends and stuff like that. And that's how I
started with them, or or find out found out about them.
But they do a lot concerning kids. And yeah, but
he nobody can talk better about it than my daughter
(48:02):
because I'm just I'm the face. I'm the face.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Huh, she said, say my name like Beyonce.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
I got a lot of kids.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
You want to speak of it?
Speaker 2 (48:17):
What else? What else the foundation does?
Speaker 7 (48:18):
So we're transforming families, right, We're building well rounded families.
So when you have the opportunity to change a child's life,
it is hard when they go home, right because those parents,
those families, they don't have the same tools, the same
skill sets. So our goal is to build well rounded families.
Why because I came from a broken home, no offense,
love you Dealley, shout out to my dad. But when
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you are not from a well rounded family, you get
two sides of different coin. So we want to build
families who have the same skill sets that we're building
in the children. So our goal is to create healthy,
well rounded families. Not that the family consists of a
man and a female. It consists of whoever is who,
whatever is a part of that child's life, whatever is
(49:03):
creating the foundation, because that foundation is what we are.
That's that's what we're what we're headed into, you know.
So our goal is to transform the lives of those
that we see every day. So if the child that
we feed and that we are creating tutoring and life
skills for it goes home to a parent who has
no job, who just got in jail. They there's a disconnect.
(49:25):
So our work is to create opportunities for that father.
So exactly, you have to build the family, you have
to build the union foundation. We're building well known families,
not just children, because that's what creates the better outcome. Right,
And so while we love lt for always showing up,
(49:49):
you know, we do the work and he shows up
and he gives us that that that vibe, that energy,
because that's what people want to see. They don't really
care about what we're doing in the community because that's
not where they're connected to.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
They care about get close to him. So that's great,
use it.
Speaker 7 (50:03):
Let's raise this money and then let's give it back
to the community. That's what it's about. And so we
we leveraged that because I love him, But from my
own personal experience, I understand the disconnect. I understand what
it's like to be a part of one life and
then to go into another life and my parents when
my parents divorced, I experienced two different types of realities.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
And all right, though a couple of dollars, thank you.
Speaker 7 (50:38):
Energy to really help us do the work. So we thanking,
We love him.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
And we love y'all for having no Thank you appreciate
Lawrence Family Foundation. Yeah, Taylor Family, Lawrence Taylor Family.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Can they find that? Is it dot com dot dot com?
L T Man, We appreciate you. Thank you very much.
You were amazing.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Amen. Thank you for don't go to sleep, don't try
to ride me in that motherfucker got you, man.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
That's what the legendary Lorrence Taylor. You can catch us
on the Draft Kings networking to all the Smoke Productions
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Speaker 2 (51:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
New York seven.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
You and l V lember to Larry Johnson.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Let's go ask where we should go? And y'all flooded it, man, So.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
We appreciate the love than that, y'all coming out and
showing us love.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We appreciate y'all. M hm hm Jack.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Great way to end this la rep runoff with the
with the absolute legend, arguably the greatest of all time. Man,
Let's walk up to the show. Lawrence table Man hell
two times Super Bowl chap eleven time All Pro, three
time Defensive Player of the Year, was robbed with only
one MVP in eighty six, again arguably one of the
(01:18):
greatest of all time. How is life currently right now?
I'm sure you get a lot of golf in you
know what, I tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
My golf game right now it's not where it used
to be.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I heard at one point you're like a two handed
cap two.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I mean I used to be like a plus two.
But now you know what, I've gotten old. I've got
no old. God say a life is treated me poorly.
I've gotten old. I thought I would never get old,
you know. I thought I would beat the baddest on
(01:55):
the earth for at least fifty He's still up there. Okay,
now we're still up there.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Michael Strahan, Yeah, Michael Strahan. Michael straight said, he said,
he just stopped being afraid of You's intimidating.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
And it took me until hell recently to not be
intimidated when I see.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I tell you, life is what it is. Uh, the
game of football, I don't watch it the way I
used to watch it, you know, because now this has
changed a little bit. Nobody want to hit nobody, you know. So,
but we're not gonna talk about my problem. We'll talk
(02:36):
about your problem. I'm decorry college just.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Right, urban legend or truth. You've shot ten holy ones
in your golf ten.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yes, I haven't a.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Man for the furthest one out? What was your first
one out?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Probably the furthest one out was to twelve? Because see,
I'm not like you. I don't play from the frontiers
the way.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I play all the way to the Whites.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I played all the play back.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I played the Whites or the Blues.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
The locker room I did up in front of the build,
the tips that I don't know this. I don't know this.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Hey, everyone said, I mean, we talked to James Worthy.
We've talked to a lot of different people. Everyone that
you're just a super athlete. Anything you put your mind to,
you were able to accomplish, either than your football career.
Speech for yourself, but James Worthy said, you used to
hoop with them and open gyms. Be the most athletic
person out there. Obviously your golf game is Where did
just your athletic problemsts come from?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I guess I learned from my dad and as I
got older, you know, like I said, I started out
as playing baseball. You know. I was when I was
six years old. I went out for baseball. I made
every All Star team until every All Star team except.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
My first year.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
My first year I didn't and every other team I
was always at All Star. And one day at Lafayette
High School, the coach came to me, he said, listen, hey, uh, well,
t wo you need to come out and play football.
I've been playing baseball, you know, going into my junior year.
(04:20):
You know, he said, listen, you should have started. You know,
you need a place. And he challenged me to go
out there and play football. So I went out for
the sixth first six weeks. Man, they just kicked my ass.
I mean, all this day I'm running with listen, all
(04:44):
this hitting. I ain't mad at nobody. And then in
my junior year, the first play of the second quarter,
the guy in front of that it was I was
the second team, you know, and he he went down
(05:06):
and I had a great game. I had a great game.
I won the game for the team, and suff it
was a whole great game. And guess what the next game,
I got better. Then I got better, then I got better.
Then I got better and got it, and I got better
and ended up all American, you know, one of the
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top players in the country. Short amount of time. It
just got better and better and better. And then my
senior year, I still played baseball. And let me tell
you something, I was a hell of a baseball player.
I was the catcher. But hey, when I hit.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
A ball, nobody say I got it. They say I
go get it.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
But I tell you I enjoyed and my junior year,
my senior year, and then all of a sudden, I
go to college and play play football. Once I got
that thing in my mind that I couldn't even go
to sleep every every when I go to bed that
night and say I'm playing a team the next morning
(06:26):
or the next day. By the time I get to
the game, I've already played that game twenty times already.
I've already played it twenty times a month. I already
know what the hell you're gonna do. Ain't but so
many Listen, guy lines up here and you give them
the ball. But ain't, but so much you can do it? Okay,
(06:50):
you know shitna run it? Or you line up on
the player and I look at your formation. Ain't for
so much you can do for a formation. You can't
just you can't just make it happen. No, No, And
guys gotta gotta learn how to read the formation, because
you know there's a hundred plays in in football, one
(07:14):
hundred different plays and stuff. Well, if you look at
the formation, you can narrow narrow it down to three
or four plays. Even, so many things you can do
and if somebody else's move a goddamn but one thing
you can do, all right. So that's how I am.
(07:34):
That's how I look at the game. Yeah yeah, look
at the signs and then don't act. Now, if I
was in the science class, I wouldn't know what I
wouldn't I wouldn't understand either, Just me too. Ship.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Before we get into football, I really want to touch
on what do you remember about the pickup games of
North Carolina on the basketball court? I mean you were
in school with somebody.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Let me tell you something. Hey, look we hit back
in the day. We used to going to go out
there and we play and play and and I remember
for the the intermediate Uh yeah, yeah, we won the
(08:19):
championship because you know, but we was disqualified because we cheated.
But you know, we ain't really cheat. One of our
players he was actually he wasn't actually in school. Okay, yeah,
(08:39):
technicality against that. But I used to go out there
and play with all the boys, I mean, Jordan James Worthy,
all those guys that I used to go out there
and play. And what.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Was your game like?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Well, see, the problem is I couldn't hit nothing from
like thirty five feet, but thirty one thirty anything. And
they used to say they just say that, say, well
I could, I could, I could shoot the ball. I'm
off and I'm decent in defense. I already got mad
(09:18):
because they only give you six files, you gardener, getting
more than six files. I need more than six fis.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Imagine somebody imagine you having more than six foules.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
We dead lt is on me. I'm passing that bitch.
Cut it out, someone else do something.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I love the years that Carolina. I think it's one
of the best schools far as getting meeting people and
and and and.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Just that the whole preparing you for life.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah. Yeah, because I've been to a lot of ship
that the lot of ship that Carolina, you know, been
threatened to kick. Maybe this is one year, okay, I'm
not gonna tell you. Come on, going in too much.
Senior year and we're out and some of my boys
(10:14):
and stuff, and they got this big old festival and stuff, right,
So we go to the festival because it's right there
at Aaron House. And we go to the festival and
a couple of my boys stole a couple of items
from the festival. So they gave him to me the
(10:37):
whole because like, you know, ain't nobody gonna suck Maybe,
I mean, save my language, but anybody's gonna mess with me.
So I sit there and I held the ambers and
then all of a sudden, the the the lady, that's
what the ta or whatever that the lady is, she
came over there and saw it fussing, arguing stuff. I
(11:04):
got anyway, I got sent to back in college. Uh
to court. Uh you know the campus court, you know.
So I got sent there, me and a couple of
mother boys. And so what they did is I wasn't
(11:29):
allowed to stay on South campus anymore, you know. So
I was allowed to stay on Stamp campus. And you know,
this going into my senior year, and I'm worried about
if I'm going to be able to play my senior year.
So decided, you know, he can play, he's just not
allowed to be on South campus. Okay. So they put
(11:53):
us on in a building on North campus, fourth full
story building. It was four of us, guys. Four We
all had a floor. I could stay on the first floor,
somebody else got to stay on the second, four, third, fourth, greatest.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
So so you got in trouble and it got better.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Oh God, the greatest it was a girl, hey, and
it was a girl's dorm, bete right across now, greatest
it was.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
It was one time. The trouble was that want to
work for me? All bad trouble turns into gold. I'll
tell you speak to your friendship. Obviously every week you
got a good relationship with Michael Jordan. But how's that start?
And how is it in one of those golf matches, like,
I know you guys both being very competitive.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Well, Mike, when I actually my senior year, not my
senior right after I seen my rookie year in and
at the Giants. Mike came to school that year. So
I came back to finish up school that summer. And
(13:12):
so he was playing with the team, practice with the team,
and uh, what what's the coach thing? Dean Smith allowed
me to practice with him, right, he allowed me to practice,
and Mike was always every time I turned around, he
just saked. Hey, call him foul foul, foul, foule. I
(13:34):
just hit you a little bit, Come on, man. So
every time Mike had the ball, I wanted to guard.
I wanted to guard Mike because it was and it
was the pain you gun I am because I know
Michae was dropping you off. Yeah, yeah, he gonna drop
me off. He's gonna drop me off of a little
something in his egg gonna Yeah, I'm gonna throw something now.
(13:57):
So you know, I'm not saying that I'm a fair player.
I'm just saying I'm a player player. I'm not saying
but hey, we used to have a great time doing that.
He is truly, you know, he's one of the best.
(14:17):
But I'm the best when I come to when it
comes to fouling, though, But you dun't. You can't ask
that question, could I dump?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
It?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Was?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
How you want it? Really?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
How you want it?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Okay, how you want it? I know I heard it.
I heard you wanted back. What's all that? I could
do anything I wanted.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
To get your way.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I was an athlete, man, Yeah yeah, I mean I
was in the NBA and I couldn't do half that ship.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So I had to ask, I couldn't do it?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
How did how did golf come into your game? And
obviously you guys have heard legendary stories about just the
competitive with you two on the golf course.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Mike, it's competitive in anything he do. Okay, listen, he
does nothing half ass nothing. I mean, I don't. I
don't care if it's if it's if it's shooting marbles.
He does nothing half ass. You know. He wants to
be the best at everything he does, and pretty much
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he is. But we have but we have a great job.
We have a great job.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Not many people can say they actually changed the game
in any sport.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You actually did it in football. How does how does
it feel when people tell you that, we say change
the game? What the what the fuck do you mean
by that? I can tell you what our our definition
would be.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
You as far as from the position you played, you
made the game physical, You made it entertainer. You you
show people how to play the game with passion, leave
everything on the line, willing to die to win the game,
like a lot of people don't.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Automatically. You can't teach that. No, so you had that,
and you did it on the highest stage.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
And for people to con you as the best defensive
player of all time, that says a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I love I loved past best, loved the game of
love the game of football. I love the contact. I
don't want to go out there and go through a
walk through. No, I got to hit somebody, Okay, that's what.
That's what I do. I hit somebody. I mean when
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I dad gonna started stripping, nobody does. Nobody was doing that. Hey,
I invented the stripping the ball because I said, if
if I'm going to you're gonna run the ball and
I tackle you, you still got another play. But if
I tackle you and I stripped that ball, guess what,
(16:49):
it ain't George no more. And that's what. And I
remember I used to do that, and then all of
a sudden, when we got to the Giants, I was
doing it so much. Is that they started teaching having
strips practice. Yeah, stript practice and stuff. I mean, yeah,
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a lot of things. I changed the game too. I
played against a lot of good players. But just like
my dad always told me, say, you got to be
better than the next man just to be equal. So
goddamn get out there. But you know, and that's what
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I do. And that's what I'm saying because at the
end of the day, hey, I want to be the best.
Now just days I didn't gone out and maybe had
too much drink. But let's say I'm wanting to stay
on your ass from from fifteen of one five zero
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zero until it go down to zero zero zero one.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I love it. We had a Michael Strahan on the
show and he was just telling some some legendary stories
about how you didn't like the practical when you did,
you win one hundred miles an hour. There was no bullshit.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I didn't like the white practice.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, he said you didn't.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
He said, you did. I was at that time. He
got there, was they going thirty some years old. I
ain't got a practice no more.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
He said, you would earned the respective.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
But he didn't have to say I don't want to.
I don't want to go out say no, no, no.
I remember when I used to go out there. I'm
all geared up, I got, I got, I got stuff
on my hands. I got did they go on vand
I'm all locked up and I'm ready ready to kill.
(18:47):
About six seven years later, I'm like, hey, hey, got
ship strapped up? You want it? You want to now?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You want it in the game.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
What I'm saying, I work on Sundays. Guy there.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
He also said sometimes you would He said you would
sleep during the meetings, but wake up another whole game plan.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That dad going, Bill Belichick. You know, he would sit
down and he'll go over these dad going these plays
and stuff, and I'm looking at it and I go
on to sleep, and then I was like, I said,
get your ass up. He said, tell me what your
what you do on display. I don't tell him. I
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tell him what I do, but I can tell him
what everybody does. I knew one thing about football. I
know what everybody is doing on that football field. I
know what the tackle's doing. I know what the nose
tackle's doing. I know what the both linebackers doing. Hey,
I know what the DB's doing. All the safeties. I know.
Only person I don't know what the hell is going
(19:50):
is me. Because I want to do what I wanted,
what I feel. I gotta do what I feel. But see,
I gotta you gotta do what I feel. But I
gotta stay within the framework of the defense, because if
I don't, I screwed him up. So I do what
I wanted to do to a point, but I stay
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within the framework of the defense.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Bill Belichick was your defensive coordinator. Say you the great
defensive player of all time? We all know and he listen,
he right right, He's definitely right.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
What was Bill like back then, late Jackson, when Belichick
first came in he was assistant special teams coach. Assistant
to the special teams coach. You gotta load that. Anyone
(20:48):
know what damn that ship is. But but and then
his second year he became special teams coach. His third
year was Bill park Sells first year as a head coach,
and he named Bill Belichick the defensive coordinator. Man. I
(21:16):
had a fit. I mean I was, I was, I
was raising, hell the fuck this man? Man? Get back?
Then and there shack some balls and I was, I was,
I was really pissed. I went into Bill's office. I said, Man,
what the fuck are you doing? Manden? Hey, you're gonna
(21:39):
name him as as defensive coordinator? And Bill told me,
he said, let me tell you something. All the defenses
that we've been running for the last couple of years
of Bill Belichick's design. He designed all these daggon defense. Yeah, hey,
(21:59):
he den behind all the defenses for for And I
was shocked, and I gave him my I told Bill,
he was ship, I give you my blessings. Man, go ahead,
and I'm to tell you what. Personality wise he's whatever andever.
(22:19):
But I'll tell you what for Somebody that knows football
knows defense. Knows. Hey, he knows what you're supposed to do. Oh,
he's bad. He's a bad man. He's a bad man.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Parcels.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Bill Parcells has always been my main man. You know,
I'll do anything for Bill. You know, Bill Love. He
was a guy that brought me to the Giants, and
I remember he was and he taught they he worked
with me, And I ain't gonna say that he worked
with me. God damn already knew what I was doing
(22:59):
when that got there. But he I member Bill. I'm
telling you a quick story. I member Bill Parcells. Parcells.
My first week in the NFL, Parcells was on my ass.
I mean you know, I was on the second team.
(23:27):
I was on the second team. John Scoorpan was in
front of me. I was on the second team. That
last no, I was on the third team. I was thirteen.
That lasted about five minutes, Okay, Then I moved to
the first team. That took about another two minutes. So
(23:48):
I'm sitting there and Bill is telling me he's on
my ass every fun because because you know, when you
he's something, you see a diamond in a rough. You know,
you can't just hey, you gotta you got to talk
to him and make him go and the right direction
(24:11):
and stuff. So he was make me go the right direction.
But every play he was on my ass. I was
just coming out of college, you know, and university. Every
play he's on my ass. Oh, you gotta be over here,
you gotta be here, you gotta be here, you gotta
be here. I'm saying there, I'm making it. I would
dig on rush the quarterback. The quarterback was set up,
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throw the ball thirty yards down field. I would turn
around and run down there and knock the ball away.
And he said, what the fuck are you doing down there?
The hell you doing thirty hello? Every day on my ass,
my ass? And I finally say, hey, hold up, coach,
(24:55):
hold on. You can do whatever you want. You can
trade me, you can cut me, you can put John
score Pan back at a linebacker. I don't care, I said,
I don't care, but you've got to stay off my
ass because I tell you what I can't. I don't
(25:16):
work like that. It didn't work like that in college.
It ain't gonna work like that in here because of
this day. I can't work like that. And Bill Paul say,
he looked at me. He said, Okay, I think he said, okay, motherfucker.
But I don't know what he said, but I think, okay,
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never worked for the Brothers. That never works for the Brothers. Brothers, sorry,
he said. He said, Okay, I tell you what I'm
gonna do. I'm gonna let you do it your way.
That works for the Brothers. He said. As soon as
you mess up, I'm gonna be in your ass and
(25:57):
you're gonna do it my way. I tell him, that's
very cool. I never had another commosation with him for
the next twelve years. Yeah, he had no problem with
what I was doing. I love it. You know.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Did you see the viral video of Belichick leaving his
girlfriend's house with his shirt off? Like a month ago.
Bill Belichick just retired and he was leaving his girl's house. Okay,
so what's the problem?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Nothing at all, bro, ain't no problem. Did you see it?
What the problem?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Ain't no problem.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I just want to know if you.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Got a coach your first year, you went rookie the year,
defensive player of the year. I mean, what your step.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
K the defensive player of the year.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
What's the problem?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I want it all?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, what I mean, what's your first thoughts? I mean,
obviously this is the top of that supposed to be
the toughest and you're going here.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
And hey, when I first came into the NFL, I'm serious,
after going to Carolina, you know, playing at North Carolina Ceth.
When I first came to the NFL, it was like
a man playing with boys the Johnts day. They've been
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playing football for all these guys I'm playing for thirty
forty years or whoever it is. Hey, they didn't care
no more. They didn't They weren't excited about winning or
last ten years, last fifteen years. They weren't excited about
(27:34):
a winning. They just just going through the damn motion.
All the players are just going through the most of
because hey, John's hadn't won the dagg on a playoff
berth in the last fifteen to twenty years. Right, They're
just going through the motion. And I refuse to go
through the motions. And I would go to practice and man,
(27:58):
and listen, when I go to practice, I go to practice,
I go to work, you know, I go to work
and I'm like, hey, let's say, hey, I'm gonna hurt somebody. Okay,
I mean to hit somebody, but hurt but listen. But
it wasn't until and then Parcels. I remember when Parcels
used to call meetings and he want all the all
(28:22):
the all the the older players to come that because
those were the teams captains and stuff like that. And
and and I remember when he called the meeting and
he asked me, he said, hey, l T, I want you,
(28:44):
I want you in this Well I wasn't LT. Then
I was Lawrence, Okayn, I want you in this meeting.
And I went to the meeting and and I said God,
and I felt funny because I got all these senior
guys in there, you know, all the Harry Carson, Phil Simms,
(29:08):
uh uh, Brian Kelly, all the senior players were in there,
and I don't know what the hell am I doing.
He said, listen, because look at that group. You said
you better than all of them. That hit me. And
I'll tell you I when I went out there on Sundays,
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no matter where I'm coming from.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Hey, I come to work, come to work. I'm ready
to talk to us a.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Little bit about those those New York Knights. And I
mean you had plenty of them. Mike Tyson was out there.
Dyale Strawberry Dwight Gooding yourself. There was a lot of
young black, rich talent out New York in the eighties
all the time.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Listen, and we all went to the same place. He's
not here. Yeah, he's not here, the Dago Cluffe Covin
uh and in New York City, he's not here. That
was the hottest place, hottest. He's not here. He's not here. Boy,
(30:22):
I'll tell you what, uh uh Ship.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Taking him back at the moment, take us back to
he's not here.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
What would it be like right now? We was in
he's not here with you right now, I'm spoken for him.
Thank you. It was that popping in there, It was
it was amazing. If you got that body, you got Mike, Tyson,
you got you got everybody and there's somebody.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, Mayor were you there with What was it like?
Would you and Mike develop a friendship? Tyson?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
You know what? See Mike, you gotta be careful around Mike,
you know. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
But Michael, guy, I'm thinking about that right now, like
you worry about Mike.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Ship, I've been in the room with Michael. I'm in
the room with jobs. I don't know how I was
sitting there. You listen, you're gonna mic sometimes and listen.
He's a great guy, love to death, and we have
a great relationship. But you may say the wrong thing
you don't even know, and then all of a sudden
your asses and your ass is in trouble. What hey,
(31:37):
But what what a great man? I tell you? And
I think about all the people I've met, uh in
New York in the through sports and stuff, you know,
and like Tice, all kinds of baseball players, basketball players.
(31:59):
I mean, listen, I used to sit out there with
he uh when Mike would come to the to the
Jordan would come to the Mason Square guarden, sit on
the floor and then we'd be talking. But all the things,
all the people that I've met, and all the people
(32:21):
that have played in New York and and I mean
missed October, I mean all everybody got, you know, it's
like a family. And yeah, I'm I'm happy to be
here because I can't think of any other place I
could have gone to where I can control the situation.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
But you mentioned all these great people, but you were
the biggest star.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I was the biggest star. It wasn't the biggest I
was big. That wasn't big no, No, to a point, boy,
if I would have got sleep at night, I would
have been We understand that too. Yeah, I mean that
(33:11):
was you know, Jack and I were both known.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
That's how we met. Was we been hard on off
the court? Do you ever feel like what you did
and you know obviously you're kind of speaking to it.
You know, the night life ever hindered you?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Oh? Yeah, I mean, you know, I look back at
I look back at it now. But did you know what?
And I say to myself, I say to myself, look
where you're at now, I mean, or look, whether you
have achieved, chieved? Could you have done it better? Now?
(33:43):
If I would have gone home every day, if I
would have dead, gone go to the gym every day,
if I didn't drink Johnny Walker black every day, could
I have been better? Maybe not? Maybe that was your
ship though I don't know. I don't know, maybe not.
(34:05):
How could you know when you still end up being him? Buddy.
Guys don't drink, don't smoke, and they do everything.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
They just ain't got it.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
It just got it. It just ain't in them. A
lot of people like that all the time.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
The mental side of the game. Something like you said,
you prepared. You need the formations, but also the intimidation side.
So on top of the mental intimidation because they knew
you as a bad motherfucker. Were you a big ship
talker too?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Am I gonna talk ship? I don't mean to be rude,
but motheruck. If you can't play, you can't play. God damn,
get off the field. I mean to get somebody else.
I used to sit there and listen, hey, hey, hey, hey,
hey hey, you're blocking.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Me long day.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Why don't you tell the coach you got a cold
or something? Hey? Uh, it's once you get the the
timing of the game, the feel of the game. The uh.
(35:22):
If you get to a point where you think you
can beat some one person all the time, oh god,
I feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for him.
I made shire help. You know you got you got? Baby?
At least hit me one time where I'm like, oh shit,
this guy. Make him play a little bit, you know. Yeah,
(35:43):
it works that way, but it is what it is. Man,
football great sport. I enjoyed it. I mean I lived it.
I dreamt about it. I I I'm all about contact.
I don't listen, don't get me involved in a two
(36:04):
hand touch a game. I want contact because that's all.
And don't give me the daggon, don't give me the
second string. I used to hate that someone's coming and
bring the second string guy and put over me. That's
an insulting Listen, what the hell he gonna do? I
wanted to beat the best that you got, you know,
(36:26):
Anthony Munos and something like that. Guy, Hey, I want you.
I want the best that you got, Anthony, Larry Allen.
H just just several. I mean, there's a couple of
guys that played for and for San Francisco. Uh uh uh.
(36:46):
There was one guy from Saint Louis. I mean, a
black dude. I've got his name now, but because he
didn't leave a card, you know. But uh yeah, oh boy, Okay,
(37:12):
that's enough.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Okay, moves and TV shows that acting come naturally like
everything else pretty much.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I mean, let's say, because you know what, most of
the movies I mean, I play me, Yeah, you know,
I played me. I mean it was only a comfort
movies that was way offline, like the one that played
when I was I was a preacher that was way
that was way offline. Man. But moe was that I
(37:40):
forgot the name of it, but you've been a preacher.
Probably why we didn't see it. That's why we didn't
see it. Probably ship ship nothing, gold show, Oh damn
it go the ship damn oh fu love love love
(38:02):
one love what God? I can't wait to rob him.
I can't wait to rob I can't wait to rob
this one. What's up? Bro?
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Talk to us about any given Sunday we had Jamie
on the show. He said there was beef with Team
him in l L. What was that experience like? Because
to me, that's one of the great football movies ever.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I go, I mean drug Rehab. Okay, it was nineteen
where he was that nineteen ninety seven, seven seventh of
ninety eight. You know, how were you there with me?
(38:51):
The movie? Movie came out ninety nine, right russe number.
When year the movie came out. I said, y'all see Okay, yeah,
well we we filmed, we filmed here, were feeling in Florida.
We actually went We filmed in Florida, okay, and then
we moved. Then we went to Dallas. But anyway, I'm
(39:11):
trying to say, I'm sitting in a drug rehab and
my last one, my last we had. I ain't had
no more. But Oliver Stone came all the way to
the That's that's crazy right there. Olive Stone pulled up
(39:32):
on rehab. He all came to the rehab me and said, listen, hey,
I want you to play a part in the movie.
And I said, I don't know if I can, because
you know, hell, according to these motherfuckers, I want to
be here for a while.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
So I go.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
And then all of a sudden they hired what was
the big guy from like the Green Mile, and uh,
Michael Michael Clark duncan, right, so I get out of rehab.
But they hired Michael Clarke Duncanto to play the role
as Shark. Right. You know, he's practiced of these practicing
(40:25):
and stuff, and they you know, doing stuff, and so
he said in the office Stone, he said, let's not
tell you what we're shooting in Miami once you come
down and and give us some porners for like a
like an expert on hand, you know. So I said,
I go on down there. I'm sitting there on this
(40:48):
and and they run this stain, run this this, this,
they run this play and uh, Michael duncan he he
it's this guy. And all I could see was Marshmallows,
Tell what the hell is that? It's nothing real? I
(41:10):
mean and arv stole. He came to me say, I
just don't feel it. I can't feel it. You know
I can't. I can't feel it. He said, do me
a favor, he said. I said, yes, sir. He said,
go inside, put on the uniform, show the past helmet,
(41:34):
put on some gear, and come out and show him
how to run this play, right. I said, okay, you're
paying me. I go in, I go out, go inside,
come back out. Hey the play. We run the play
(41:54):
bam bam bam. I come in, I fill the hole.
I hit the something boom and this said he and
I thought he was dead anyway, but alvut Stone jumps up.
That's what I'm talking about. That's the type of ship
I wanted to see. He looked at Michael Duny, say
you fine on the spot, on the spot, fine, lt
(42:21):
let's play. And and so he gave me his part.
And that's how that's how I thought, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
The way with the chainsaw cutting the car and half.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Yeah, but I'm laying on the field taking that last hit.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
You made that look so real like it made me
feel like we've seen it makes you like we've seen.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
You on the field in real time in that same
position before.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
That's how good you made that character. I'm not saying
I was a good show. I was into the moment
the show. Yeah, you have me believe in it. I
thought you was really hurt. I thought you I thought
you really hurt out. I ain't hitting nobody at.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Home, quick hitters.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
We're gonna finish it off when we don't feel in
the blank. Lawrence Taylor would be wouldn't be here without
I wouldn't be well you say here like here in
this room today today, I wouldn't be here today. Web
styles my dog niche yeah, my girl, Yeah, yeah, all right,
(43:35):
that's right. I wouldn't. I wouldn't because I got some
some legal ship that be doing.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Stupid.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I might met my match job, Yeah, top me.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Phil Simps told the story one time about you him
you driving down the term probably going fast as he
thought he was gonna die.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
You took your chew.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Out and threw it out, and your super Bowl ring
came off to.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Truth to that soup for the souper, No ring. My
super Bowl ring never.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Came off, was it? A ring or anything or was
that just you was just making it sound good.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
It was just spit that came out. Yeah, that wasn't true.
Go ahead, next, childhood my childhood crush. H damn a
childhood crush probably though, one of them, uh, one of
(44:38):
them Jackson's. But I'm not talking about Michael. Yeah, no, Michael.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I don't need no Michel.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Okay, what else? Stupid ship? You got more stupid question?
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Your favorite album of all time?
Speaker 2 (45:03):
It got me some type of Luther vandraw. You like
to chill it out? Wots to me? Taste something? When
I started doing that, how do you think I caught her.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Big Luther a little? The ear ring, the earring, the
single ear ring.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
You started a fashion trend way back. When Where'd that
come from?
Speaker 2 (45:38):
You know, I'm not really sure, but I know when
I came into the league, they started calling me l
t Oh, no, it was it was Lawrence at first,
you know, or Larry or something like that. It was, yeah, okay,
(46:00):
you look like Larry, but a guy that made made
the air ring for me. And because my first year,
(46:22):
my second year into the league, I started being identified
as LT and you know, we had one two defensive
players over the years. Well, I said, so they identified me.
It's just and I've always wanted to be like, you know,
(46:42):
like Michael Jorge m j uh signature. You know that
Michael Jackson. He's in there too. But man, the guys
that were just identified just by their always wanted to
do that, and it started to happen. I just stayed
(47:03):
on that boat.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Couldn't tell you ship, They can't tell me. Lawrence Taylor
Family Foundation. You can have your daughter come help explain
it if you like. But talk to us, yes, yes, yes, yes,
come on.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Hey, I'm tell you what we can from there. Now.
It's a great foundation. And tell you what they we
We work with a lot of kids, and I mean
the things we have done over like like food. I
mean as far as we're providing for uh families that
come over, they can they can come and get food
(47:39):
on weekends and stuff like that. And that's how I
started with them, or or find out found out about them.
But they do a lot concerning kids. And yeah, but
he nobody can talk better about it than my daughter
(48:02):
because I'm just I'm the face. I'm the face.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Huh, she said, say my name like Beyonce.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
I got a lot of kids.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
You want to speak of it?
Speaker 2 (48:17):
What else? What else the foundation does?
Speaker 7 (48:18):
So we're transforming families, right, We're building well rounded families.
So when you have the opportunity to change a child's life,
it is hard when they go home, right because those parents,
those families, they don't have the same tools, the same
skill sets. So our goal is to build well rounded families.
Why because I came from a broken home, no offense,
love you Dealley, shout out to my dad. But when
(48:40):
you are not from a well rounded family, you get
two sides of different coin. So we want to build
families who have the same skill sets that we're building
in the children. So our goal is to create healthy,
well rounded families. Not that the family consists of a
man and a female. It consists of whoever is who,
whatever is a part of that child's life, whatever is
(49:03):
creating the foundation, because that foundation is what we are.
That's that's what we're what we're headed into, you know.
So our goal is to transform the lives of those
that we see every day. So if the child that
we feed and that we are creating tutoring and life
skills for it goes home to a parent who has
no job, who just got in jail. They there's a disconnect.
(49:25):
So our work is to create opportunities for that father.
So exactly, you have to build the family, you have
to build the union foundation. We're building well known families,
not just children, because that's what creates the better outcome. Right,
And so while we love lt for always showing up,
(49:49):
you know, we do the work and he shows up
and he gives us that that that vibe, that energy,
because that's what people want to see. They don't really
care about what we're doing in the community because that's
not where they're connected to.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
They care about get close to him. So that's great,
use it.
Speaker 7 (50:03):
Let's raise this money and then let's give it back
to the community. That's what it's about. And so we
we leveraged that because I love him, But from my
own personal experience, I understand the disconnect. I understand what
it's like to be a part of one life and
then to go into another life and my parents when
my parents divorced, I experienced two different types of realities.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
And all right, though a couple of dollars, thank you.
Speaker 7 (50:38):
Energy to really help us do the work. So we thanking,
We love him.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
And we love y'all for having no Thank you appreciate
Lawrence Family Foundation. Yeah, Taylor Family, Lawrence Taylor Family.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Can they find that? Is it dot com dot dot com?
L T Man, We appreciate you. Thank you very much.
You were amazing.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Amen. Thank you for don't go to sleep, don't try
to ride me in that motherfucker got you, man.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
That's what the legendary Lorrence Taylor. You can catch us
on the Draft Kings networking to all the Smoke Productions
YouTube Man Gold episode Yes, sir, mm hmmmm
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Mm hmmm
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