September 14, 2021 • 27 mins
in this episode, Bobby asks Sophie about the art of “Pregaming”, which is more likely to be practiced by her generation than his. They cover the perfect cocktails and snacks for pregaming, which occasions call for pregaming, and of course, Bobby shows Sophie how to make a grilled cheese for a sharable pregaming snack.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
All right, guys, welcome to Always Hungry from My Heart Radio.
My name is Bobby Flay and I'm here with my
daughter and co host. I'm Flag and I'm Always Hungry.
Sophie and I gather around my stove to cook together. Well,
you cook, I asked the questions, and eat the food.
If does any food left, you come to the table
together to share a meal, connect as a family, and
tell the stories that matter to us. All Right, Sophie,
(00:26):
this is one of my favorite themes um that we've
ever done because it reminds me of game day at
your college. Yes, we're talking about pregaming, going out, getting
ready to go out. I think the pre gaming is
better than than the game time. Okay, I see a
lot of grated cheese and some delicious turteen bread. Yeah,
(00:52):
Turtine is my favorite bakery of all time. It's just
it's so good. It's okay, we're gonna make a bold cheese.
So we're talking about pre gaming, which is a a
term that I really learned from you. I did. Yeah,
I mean I heard the word pre game, but I
always thought of it was something else. So pre gaming
(01:13):
is basically like you're you're going out getting ready to
go out. You're getting ready to go out, so before
you before you go to the big game, you go
to the pre game. So but and and clearly sometimes
it involves having a cocktailer two it does, okay, But
I also think that like to pre game can be
a fun thing. But I think it's also good to
(01:33):
plan it because otherwise your pre game could be the
end game and then you don't get to the game,
certainly don't make it to the post game. Oh I
didn't know about the post game. But here's a post game. Okay, okay, Sophie,
big time in me, all right. So basically, so there's
a cup of grilled cheese. And the reason why I'm
(01:55):
making grilled cheese is because grilled cheese is a fun
thing to make. It's delicious, and also it gives you
like a little bit of sustenance before you start pre gaming,
and it's not gonna like completely fill you up. You
can have like a bite or two of a of
a of a grilled cheese and you can like just
make like little wedges of them and pass them around
to your friends pre gaming with you. What do you
(02:15):
think about that? That? You know what we do though,
is we do case it is? Oh, that's actually a
good one. Okay, what are you looking at? So I'm
going to read something? This is uh? I just googled
pregame drinking. Here's what it says. Pre gaming, also known
as pre drinking or preloading, is the process of getting
(02:39):
drunk prior to going on socializing, typically done by college
students and young adults in a matter as cost efficient
as possible, with hard liquor and cheap beer consumed while
in a group. Does that sound does that ring true
to yourselfie? But like when you but when you google,
(03:00):
pre game is all kind of reading Urban Dictionary. No,
like Thrillist has had a pregame the ten pregame Drinking Commandments. Okay,
had a pregame as an adult tips on drinking before
going out. That's also from Thrilliest. I didn't realize that
pregaming was was was all about finance? Like, well, it
(03:20):
is an interesting point that they bring. I know because
in pre game in the Urban Dictionary, it says invented
by college students. It means drinking before going out the party,
mostly to prevent oneself from spreading too much on alcohol.
So like, clearly like cost is a matter of of pregaming.
What's so I'm gonna let you drive this one. So okay, okay,
(03:43):
let let me just say this the reason why. And frankly,
you didn't come up with this concept today. I came
up with this one. And I came up with it because, well,
I want to know how I can pre game better. Okay,
I'm always on the quest on how to pre game better.
But my pregame is gonna be is gonna look a
lot different than what yours might look like or did
(04:05):
look like. But also, I had never really heard the
term pre game until you became a freshman in college
and then you literally would go to the I mean,
college football was a big part of your school and
every Saturday there was a game, and when there's a game,
(04:26):
there's a pre game, a pre game. And that's how
I learned about it. So I thought it was it
was actually, you know, it's part of college life. It's like,
let's face it, you know, it's you know, you go
to these you go to these games and tailgate pre
game the whole thing, exactly right. So, so like, so
does it always have to like involve plastic big jugs
(04:47):
of vodka? It does when you have no money, right,
So it is fine, it is, but I also think
it can also be a finance thing as a young
adult to write, like, I don't want to drink any
hard alcohol out of a plastic container anymore, but I
know how to utilize my Costco membership. Well, um, and
you get good deals on wine, liquor, you name it
(05:11):
at Costco. Okay, I bought a car at Costco. But
that's another story. I mean, that's an insane story, true story.
But that is also how we used to shop for alcohol,
for not just alcohol but food drinks in college as well,
because it is just cost efficient. And when I was
a senior, I lived with eight other girls, and so
it just made more sense to shop that way in general. Okay,
(05:34):
So I mean, obviously we're having fun with the whole
pregame idea. I mean, you're not a college student anymore.
You're not a college student anymore. But I'm sure pregaming
is never going to leave your life, right, So, so
it hasn't left mind either. And I'm a person who
entertains for you know. I I entertained in my house,
(05:55):
you know, because it's something I love to do and
so there's always the question of like, is it dinner
or is there something before dinner? It's before dinner. I know.
What I'm saying is it's like, actually not necessarily, it
depends what your night is looking like. Okay, let's hear
it more about that. Well, you mean if you're going
out to the clubs. You're going to the club if
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you've got a birthday party, right, all right? So what
(06:40):
I did? I put some butter on the on one
side of it, Okay, and you actually some people use
mayonnaise real cheese that actually works really well. So we
have we have basically three different kinds of cheese here.
We have some some cheddar or you can use monterey Jack,
and then we have some Fontina cheese, which is kind
of nutty. I love on Tina and I shredded this.
(07:02):
And the key is not to put too much cheese, okay.
And then I'm gonna put some goat cheese because I
know you're a goat cheese fan. Okay, So right now,
the pieces of bread are open face, and you just
sprinkled a bunch of cheese on both sides, and you're
putting more goat cheese on top. I'm putting so that
their open face the open face at them. This is
(07:22):
a big grilled cheese. It is ginormous, Okay. And then
I'm going to do something that a lot of people
probably don't do it, which is like season it with
salt and pepper always. Yeah, but a lot of people
don't do that, but we have to. And what is
this little pan you have going here? This is a
little cast iron, like a little bays like it's like
it's actually a crepe pan. Oh, but you can hear
(07:43):
the sizzle. What we're doing is we're gonna make We're
gonna make the bottom side without the cheese on it,
on both of them crusty. So right now, in this
cast iron pan, I have the butter side down of
the bread and the top are the cheeses. So they're
sort of side by side, so it looks like they're
(08:04):
two open face sandwiches. But what we really want to
do here is we want to make the we want
to crusty wheel cheese. That's really key. Interesting. So just
recently you had a birthday party for your girl, Whitney, Okay,
which by the way, lasted more than two days. All Right,
I just realized that, so like, do your pre game,
the pre game, the pregame. I mean, has it work
(08:27):
or is it just one constant pregame. It's well, that's different,
that's just one party. Let's actually talk about my birthday.
That's a better example. Your birthday. My birthday, So I
set up a silent disco on the beach for my friends.
You know, I have to tell you something I had
Phomo for that I wanted to be on the I
told you could have. You did not invite me? Yes
I did, Dad, Well you kind of didn't. But that's okay.
(08:51):
Could have come. You could have come is a lot
different than Dad. I would love for you to come.
I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to leave you off
of invite, left me off the silent disco invite for
your birthday on the beach, and instead I just I
don't know what I did. Watch Netflix. That's okay. Well,
next year you can definitely come. All right, let's all right,
(09:11):
let's get let's get back on track here. Okay, you
talked about so your birthday, So what happened to your birthday?
But well, so we had a pregame before we went
to the beach, because obviously you're also like not supposed
to drink on the beach, and so what did that
look like? It looks like going to a friend's house
before at the moment. You know, spiked Seltzer's and are
really popular. There's you know Topa Chico makes them. There's
(09:34):
the brand him, Yeah, white Claw, White Claws. Yeah, it's yes,
And that's what we drink a lot of as a
pregame pregame drink. But that doesn't have a lot of
alcohol in it. It doesn't, so you gotta drink a
lot of them. Okay, so kidding, all right, so now,
but okay, so for instance, so that's the way you're
pregaming these days, that's how we're pregaming a party, okay.
(09:55):
But not every pregame now is necessarily at home. Like
when you're in college, it's always at your apartment. There's
nowhere else to go, right, But you know, you can
go to a fun bar in pregame at a bar
for another for whatever you're going out to do. But
usually a pregame is at home, which is you know,
a good example is why we made that grilled cheese
(10:17):
because you're you're at home still, you're trying to save
money before you go out. So you obviously we would
all love to go to dinner and buy amazing food
and amazing drinks, but we're also young, and you know
we're not. We're not spending a ton of money on
food and drinks all the time, or would rather not.
And so being at home and having your costco alcohol
(10:40):
and your grilled cheese ingredients are are a good way
to go. Yeah. So I guess when I think about pregaming,
because like I have a lot of dinner parties at
my house and stuff like that, or we go at
you know, we go out to dinner, and so my
pre gaming has basically gotten down to, let's have a
cocktail before we go out. A cocktail. A cocktail, Yeah,
(11:02):
because I can't. I just can't do it anymore. I mean,
I like, at some point I realized, like my pre
game so to speak. I didn't know they were pre
games at the time. Now I know they were pregames.
My pre games became my endgame because I was like,
you know, a couple of cocktails and I was like,
oh my god, I'm like I can't even go to
dinner to go to sleep. I'm done. I'm done. So
(11:22):
so now I'm a lot more careful and more and
more thoughtful about it, and frankly, like I like making
cocktails that are that are interesting and delicious as opposed
to just like what's the cheapest thing I can drink?
I'm not doing that of course, So like you know,
I mean, I've been unlike this the growny kick lately
because because you know, I'm so obsessed with with Italy,
(11:42):
everything Italy, so you know, the gronies and then the
summertime sprits is and there's all kinds of sprits is
that you can use. So so like you're you're drinking
white claw, I'm drinking something. I'm drinking a soda called Keynoto.
Do you know what that is? Oh? It's is the
little like orangey brown soda that you haven't all the time,
but very good, Yes it is. It's actually it's an
(12:03):
Italian style soda. It's I I tell people, it's like
a sour orange flavor, you know, so it's tart, little
fruity um. But I make sprits as we we actually
make a sprits with that at a mouthie called the
Roberto after me quietly and so like that has prosecco,
and it has a Morrow in it, and it has
Keynoteo in it. So like that's a fun pregame like sprits,
(12:25):
you know, and you know, in the summertime, we drink
a lot of rose. I mean that's not original. A
lot of people drinking rose. But you know, and like
my business partner and best friend, Lawrence, who's we've been
partners for thirty years and friends for thirty years, like,
you know, well, we'll be at my house in the summer,
like on on the weekend, and like at ten thirties,
(12:47):
like you want some rose. I'm like, wait, what it's
ten thirties, Like yeah, but you've been up a five
and a half exactly, you know who cares? Like right,
So I'm like not really and then you know, sure enough,
like at two a clock on them, I mean I'm
exhausted exactly. The pre game, it was like, pregame lunch
(13:08):
looks good, right, Okay, you just let's flip it over.
Flipped it over. It's looking golden brown on the outside.
Crispy Verry smells very buttery, does it? Yeah? You know
why because there's butter buttery. So I'm gonna serve like
(13:28):
a little jam with this. What do you think about that? Okay,
I'm down for that. Some blood orange marmalade, great blood
oranges cheese. That sounds good. You ever had baconto your
great cheeses? Yeah? I was actually gonna do that today.
Or tomato. Yeah, sometimes I do like like a like
a fried green tomato and bacon and cheese sandwich. My god,
that sounds great. But this is just the pregame. This
(13:50):
is just the pregame. This is the game. I think
pregaming is a really fun like what somebody says, let's pregame.
When I hear somebody say that now and like, oh,
that sounds like a really good time. Yeah, because it's
fun because you get you also like you also play
like drinking games and games, music. You're playing great music,
(14:10):
You're looking cute. Is it is you even messed up
your makeup yet? Is it? Is it while you're getting
dressed or is it like you've already gotten dressed and
now you're like at the pre game. It's usually you've
already gotten dressed and you're at the pre game and
you pre game somebody's house. Yeah, yes, unless like it's
just like for me, like a girl's night and we're
going to like a concert or something, and it's like
(14:31):
only girls, and like, you know, we're all getting ready
together and and having like wine or you know, a
mixed drink or something like that. But usually you're already
dressed and ready to go. Yeah, it's a little preview
of the night you scope about the scene. What does
your pregame look like? You mean today? Yeah, I mean
as somebody who likes to entertain in my house, Uh,
(14:53):
lots of cheese. I mean I usually make. I mean
I have a lot of pressure on because if somebody
comes over to my house for a dinner party, they're like,
I can still keep it casual, but I also like
I have to have something, something has to be thought out.
So I always try to make like a house cocktail
for the day. So it depends on like what the
(15:16):
day is. So it's like I have a lot of
like you know, horse racing party, so like Kentucky Derby
or Preakness or you know Belmont Steaks or whatever. It is,
like they're always and those are easy things themes because
Kentucky Derby is like a bourbon cocktail or some sort
What did I make this year? Oh, I made Bourbon
ginger cocktails, so it was like it was bourbon with
(15:41):
I made fresh ginger syrup and then I had candy
ginger and some fresh mint so it was like a
mint jewelup ginger e thing. So that was easy. And
then you know, for Preakness, it's Baltimore and so like
there's always some sort of crab situation happening. And and
then you know for bell On steaks, it's usually I
don't know, steaks. I don't know, I don't know, I
(16:04):
don't even know because we usually go and when we
usually usually eat steaks. But like I think like having
having a house cocktail for the day, and it depends
like it's the summer. Like people love spritzes. You know
that spritses have like blown up lately. They used to
be like a wine sprits, so to speak, was like
what your grandmother used to drink. Oh, Dame Dorothy, she
(16:25):
was a big wine sprits chick, big time, like back
in the day, Sophie, Like when I was a kid,
so wine spritses and it was literally like wine, and
I think it was like wine and club soda. It
was that kind of sprits that doesn't sound good at all.
Maybe I'm wrong, you know, but the spritses are more
sort of European, you know, it's a it's prosecco. I mean,
(16:48):
apper All Sprits. The Apperall Sprits just has had such
such a moment in the past few years. I don't
love it as much as Capari because I like the
bigger The Apperle is too sweet for me. But that's
why I'm drinking that keynoto stuff. But that's sweet, isn't it.
I found one that's less sweet by Sam Pellegrino that
that one is a little bit less sweet, it's more tart.
(17:09):
So I'm kind of digging on that, right. I like that.
Also it makes me feel like I'm Italian, which I'm
not correct. So I'm literally I'm just living the movie
in my life, Sophie. That's the way it works. But
then I also have to have, like you know, in
my pre game, so to speak. I have to have
like orders or appetizers as well. So when people get
(17:30):
to my house, I just can't feed them lunch or dinner,
Like there has to be like something to go with
their cocktail, right, That's true. Yeah, there's a lot of
pressure do you feel the pressure always? Really, that's so
interesting to me. Actually, listen, It's the only thing I
know how to do in life is cook. Okay, So like,
if people are going to come to my house and
(17:51):
I'm feeding them, I just want them to This is
the only thought that I want them to have. Is
that was good. It doesn't have to be anything more
than that. But I don't want to be like I mean,
he barely cooked anything. Like we got there and he
gave us like a club soda and some nuts. Okay. Wait,
(18:24):
we've talked about the pregame though, and I mentioned the
post game, Yes you did, So what is your post
game looking like? Sleep my post I don't like postgame.
Let me just tell you something. Okay. I used to
have a rule, nothing good happens after two o'clock in
the morning. You know what's funny is I've heard that
(18:46):
rule before, but yours is moved back lately. No, no, no,
I feel like it's such a mom thing to for
such a mom thing to say, like nothing good happens
after midnight? Use it to I am there roll well,
New York City is a four am situations No, I
(19:06):
just listen. Here here's the problem. And it's just it's
just it's just based on how my how I run
my life. I wake up really early. I'm up at
like six o'clock at least. I was going to say,
that's almost late for you. Yeah, so like when it
rules at ten, ten thirty, eleven o'clock. Even though even
if I'm out, I'm like, god, damn, am my tired.
(19:28):
Like I'm not looking. I'm not looking for the fifteenth cocktail,
you know, in some in some quiet bar somewhere. I
just it doesn't I mean, look back in the day
I used to go. I used to love going and dancing, Okay,
when I was you know, obviously much younger, and I
mean I still like doing it. I just I don't
get the opportunity anymore. And I could do that, but
(19:51):
like just to continue what I'm doing all night, just
by changing the venue, it doesn't interest me. So like
I like early, like fun dinner, and then I'm done,
unless unless we're going like full hog and we're going
dancing at sunset. You know. Yeah, but my post game
(20:11):
includes a cheeseburger or a case of dilla or something. Okay,
definitely pizza. That's why people call you from Joe's Pizza
on Bleaker Street at two o'clock in the morning, because right,
I always get that text. It's crazy. So pizza, burgers,
(20:32):
fried chicken, chicken wings. This is that late night food
that you want, Chinese food. Walk to walk, walk to walk.
Remember I pointed that out when we were shooting the Flaylist.
Oh my god, it's so good. I mean, who doesn't
want to eat fried rice at two am? Noodles or
you know what's Oh no, I just figured it out.
What we did did not mention the most important late
(20:54):
night thing to eat post game? The post game. Okay, bacon,
egg and cheese sandwich. Oh yeah, that's your thing. Go,
that's your post game. But then the next morning I
want to kill myself. But at the moment, there's nothing
better in the world. It's fifteen Michelin stars. Mm hmm.
(21:19):
It's not even on the pan anymore. It's still siss one. Okay,
so I'm gonna serve. I bought this at you're at
the farmer's market. It's blood orange marmalade um. But it
can be any kind of jam. It can be honey.
You also which I like honey and cheese obviously, goes
hand in hand. I found this in the farmer's mark.
(21:40):
I didn't make this. See. The thing I like about
this big bread is that you can cut up into
small pieces and basically make a gold cheese. And like
you don't want to overeat because you're probably gonna have dinner, right,
so you just want something to like to kind of
go with your cocktail or something. How is it? It's
hardly careful as a fancy grilled cheese crunch that fancy fancy.
(22:07):
It's all about technique. I mean, and just use a
few cheeses. It could be one cheese. It doesn't matter
how you treat the bread. Alight digging it. Yeah, let's
grab a drink, all right, Let's talk about liquor because
this is really like it's a crazy phenomenon. Like every
celebrity now is a tequila brand. Like what do you drink?
Like what's what? What are people drinking out there? Like
(22:29):
what are your friends rinking? Is there a is there
a certain spirit that's making pregame like the pregame is that?
Like you have to have a bottle of mescal now
in every pregame? Oh that see that's funny. Like I'm
like one of my only friends. I'm like one of
the only people in my crew that really is like
die hard mescal fan. That happen, I don't know. It
(22:52):
must be it must be from you. What Yeah? Really? Yeah?
I think so. Well, if you didn't reduced me to it,
it's I like the smoky flavor because of you. That's like,
I love it. I love a mescal paloma. So grape
food juice and lime juice so good. Um. But okay,
so I think we're drinking a lot of tequila right now.
(23:16):
I have a friend who believes that Jin is about
to have a big moment. I agree with that. You do.
Let me ask you a question, okay, Yeah, Well, first
of all, Gin is Jin is hard. Jin is tough.
You gotta you gotta bring your A game to the
pregame for Jim. I mean because and I used to
(23:37):
drink gin gimlets. You know what that is? Yeah, gin
and lime juice. But I drink vodka gimblets. Yeah. Me
and Jane motion drink vodka gimblets. We drink a lot
of vodka gimlets at Gato this summer after I graduated college.
Because I'm so sad you and Jane motion. Yes, that's
like the best name. It's the best name. Jane Motion.
(23:57):
Jane is always in motion constantly. So because I wanted
to ask you about what about brown liquors like whiskey
and bourbon and stuff like that. I do like whiskey
and bourbon. Would you consider rum a brown liquor if
it's dark rum? I like? I like rum, yeah, because
it's like like a rum. Punch. Punches have come back.
(24:19):
Punches are making you come back. I need to get
a punch bowl. I need to get a punch bole.
Where can you buy them? That's a good Okay, this
is a really good pregame situation. Make a punch, Make
a punch for pre games. You know who does great punches?
Is this this really fun bar called law Discarga. I
don't want to get it wrong. I think it's a
(24:40):
Cuban bar in l A. What do the punch bowls
look like like punch bowls? Well, I don't know what
that looks like. What do you mean you normally looks like? Yes,
it's okay, So it's a Cuban bar and they do
like like punch bowls of like mohitos. It's so fun.
So that's just the picture of mohitos in a bowl. Yeah,
there's a difference between punches and you know, bulk cocktails. Yeah,
(25:04):
that's true. The Black Cat in Um in Silver Lake
does they always have a five dollar punch every day
and it's always something different and it's delicious. Is it
fruit based? Um? Not always? But I mean I guess
that's more of like a classic punch, right, having a
fruit based Yeah, that is a good pregame idea. That idea.
(25:24):
What okay, what should be our signature pregame punch? Well,
I think of you have to remember, like I think
of Hawaiian punch because it's so good. Yeah, so that's what.
But that's the whole point is that it's a fruit
based cocktail. So I think it should be like I
think it should be red in black fruits. Great, Ready, okay,
(25:46):
here we go, blood, orange juice, oh my god, grapefruit juice, pint,
grape fruit juice, crushed blackberries. Yes, and then what's the
what's the spirit? Vodka? Rum? I think rum white rum, sure,
because the dark rum is gonna get in the way
all those berries, all those dark white rum. Wait, stay
(26:10):
with me, do we need pineapple? Juice in that too,
Oh my god, yes, okay, okay, white rum, pineapple juice,
fresh pineapple juice. That you that you juice extractor? Okay,
so pineapple fresh pineapple juice. Blackberries also in the extractor
(26:32):
blood orange juice, pink grape fruit juice. So it's like tart,
sweet fruity and the blackberries rum. And then we need
a little simple syrup fresh mint. Sure, that's it. Did
you say the blackberries? Let's call it the Always Hungry Punch.
Always Hungry punch. That sounds great. We should make some
(26:55):
of that. Let's get a punch bowl. Okay, Amazon, Yeah,
I don't even know what they look like, well, bottoms up.
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All right, guys, welcome to Always Hungry from My Heart Radio.
My name is Bobby Flay and I'm here with my
daughter and co host. I'm Flag and I'm Always Hungry.
Sophie and I gather around my stove to cook together. Well,
you cook, I asked the questions, and eat the food.
If does any food left, you come to the table
together to share a meal, connect as a family, and
tell the stories that matter to us. All Right, Sophie,
(00:26):
this is one of my favorite themes um that we've
ever done because it reminds me of game day at
your college. Yes, we're talking about pregaming, going out, getting
ready to go out. I think the pre gaming is
better than than the game time. Okay, I see a
lot of grated cheese and some delicious turteen bread. Yeah,
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Turtine is my favorite bakery of all time. It's just
it's so good. It's okay, we're gonna make a bold cheese.
So we're talking about pre gaming, which is a a
term that I really learned from you. I did. Yeah,
I mean I heard the word pre game, but I
always thought of it was something else. So pre gaming
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is basically like you're you're going out getting ready to
go out. You're getting ready to go out, so before
you before you go to the big game, you go
to the pre game. So but and and clearly sometimes
it involves having a cocktailer two it does, okay, But
I also think that like to pre game can be
a fun thing. But I think it's also good to
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plan it because otherwise your pre game could be the
end game and then you don't get to the game,
certainly don't make it to the post game. Oh I
didn't know about the post game. But here's a post game. Okay, okay, Sophie,
big time in me, all right. So basically, so there's
a cup of grilled cheese. And the reason why I'm
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making grilled cheese is because grilled cheese is a fun
thing to make. It's delicious, and also it gives you
like a little bit of sustenance before you start pre gaming,
and it's not gonna like completely fill you up. You
can have like a bite or two of a of
a of a grilled cheese and you can like just
make like little wedges of them and pass them around
to your friends pre gaming with you. What do you
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think about that? That? You know what we do though,
is we do case it is? Oh, that's actually a
good one. Okay, what are you looking at? So I'm
going to read something? This is uh? I just googled
pregame drinking. Here's what it says. Pre gaming, also known
as pre drinking or preloading, is the process of getting
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drunk prior to going on socializing, typically done by college
students and young adults in a matter as cost efficient
as possible, with hard liquor and cheap beer consumed while
in a group. Does that sound does that ring true
to yourselfie? But like when you but when you google,
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pre game is all kind of reading Urban Dictionary. No,
like Thrillist has had a pregame the ten pregame Drinking Commandments. Okay,
had a pregame as an adult tips on drinking before
going out. That's also from Thrilliest. I didn't realize that
pregaming was was was all about finance? Like, well, it
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is an interesting point that they bring. I know because
in pre game in the Urban Dictionary, it says invented
by college students. It means drinking before going out the party,
mostly to prevent oneself from spreading too much on alcohol.
So like, clearly like cost is a matter of of pregaming.
What's so I'm gonna let you drive this one. So okay, okay,
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let let me just say this the reason why. And frankly,
you didn't come up with this concept today. I came
up with this one. And I came up with it because, well,
I want to know how I can pre game better. Okay,
I'm always on the quest on how to pre game better.
But my pregame is gonna be is gonna look a
lot different than what yours might look like or did
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look like. But also, I had never really heard the
term pre game until you became a freshman in college
and then you literally would go to the I mean,
college football was a big part of your school and
every Saturday there was a game, and when there's a game,
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there's a pre game, a pre game. And that's how
I learned about it. So I thought it was it
was actually, you know, it's part of college life. It's like,
let's face it, you know, it's you know, you go
to these you go to these games and tailgate pre
game the whole thing, exactly right. So, so like, so
does it always have to like involve plastic big jugs
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of vodka? It does when you have no money, right,
So it is fine, it is, but I also think
it can also be a finance thing as a young
adult to write, like, I don't want to drink any
hard alcohol out of a plastic container anymore, but I
know how to utilize my Costco membership. Well, um, and
you get good deals on wine, liquor, you name it
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at Costco. Okay, I bought a car at Costco. But
that's another story. I mean, that's an insane story, true story.
But that is also how we used to shop for alcohol,
for not just alcohol but food drinks in college as well,
because it is just cost efficient. And when I was
a senior, I lived with eight other girls, and so
it just made more sense to shop that way in general. Okay,
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So I mean, obviously we're having fun with the whole
pregame idea. I mean, you're not a college student anymore.
You're not a college student anymore. But I'm sure pregaming
is never going to leave your life, right, So, so
it hasn't left mind either. And I'm a person who
entertains for you know. I I entertained in my house,
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you know, because it's something I love to do and
so there's always the question of like, is it dinner
or is there something before dinner? It's before dinner. I know.
What I'm saying is it's like, actually not necessarily, it
depends what your night is looking like. Okay, let's hear
it more about that. Well, you mean if you're going
out to the clubs. You're going to the club if
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you've got a birthday party, right, all right? So what
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I did? I put some butter on the on one
side of it, Okay, and you actually some people use
mayonnaise real cheese that actually works really well. So we
have we have basically three different kinds of cheese here.
We have some some cheddar or you can use monterey Jack,
and then we have some Fontina cheese, which is kind
of nutty. I love on Tina and I shredded this.
(07:02):
And the key is not to put too much cheese, okay.
And then I'm gonna put some goat cheese because I
know you're a goat cheese fan. Okay, So right now,
the pieces of bread are open face, and you just
sprinkled a bunch of cheese on both sides, and you're
putting more goat cheese on top. I'm putting so that
their open face the open face at them. This is
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a big grilled cheese. It is ginormous, Okay. And then
I'm going to do something that a lot of people
probably don't do it, which is like season it with
salt and pepper always. Yeah, but a lot of people
don't do that, but we have to. And what is
this little pan you have going here? This is a
little cast iron, like a little bays like it's like
it's actually a crepe pan. Oh, but you can hear
(07:43):
the sizzle. What we're doing is we're gonna make We're
gonna make the bottom side without the cheese on it,
on both of them crusty. So right now, in this
cast iron pan, I have the butter side down of
the bread and the top are the cheeses. So they're
sort of side by side, so it looks like they're
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two open face sandwiches. But what we really want to
do here is we want to make the we want
to crusty wheel cheese. That's really key. Interesting. So just
recently you had a birthday party for your girl, Whitney, Okay,
which by the way, lasted more than two days. All Right,
I just realized that, so like, do your pre game,
the pre game, the pregame. I mean, has it work
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or is it just one constant pregame. It's well, that's different,
that's just one party. Let's actually talk about my birthday.
That's a better example. Your birthday. My birthday, So I
set up a silent disco on the beach for my friends.
You know, I have to tell you something I had
Phomo for that I wanted to be on the I
told you could have. You did not invite me? Yes
I did, Dad, Well you kind of didn't. But that's okay.
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Could have come. You could have come is a lot
different than Dad. I would love for you to come.
I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to leave you off
of invite, left me off the silent disco invite for
your birthday on the beach, and instead I just I
don't know what I did. Watch Netflix. That's okay. Well,
next year you can definitely come. All right, let's all right,
(09:11):
let's get let's get back on track here. Okay, you
talked about so your birthday, So what happened to your birthday?
But well, so we had a pregame before we went
to the beach, because obviously you're also like not supposed
to drink on the beach, and so what did that
look like? It looks like going to a friend's house
before at the moment. You know, spiked Seltzer's and are
really popular. There's you know Topa Chico makes them. There's
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the brand him, Yeah, white Claw, White Claws. Yeah, it's yes,
And that's what we drink a lot of as a
pregame pregame drink. But that doesn't have a lot of
alcohol in it. It doesn't, so you gotta drink a
lot of them. Okay, so kidding, all right, so now,
but okay, so for instance, so that's the way you're
pregaming these days, that's how we're pregaming a party, okay.
(09:55):
But not every pregame now is necessarily at home. Like
when you're in college, it's always at your apartment. There's
nowhere else to go, right, But you know, you can
go to a fun bar in pregame at a bar
for another for whatever you're going out to do. But
usually a pregame is at home, which is you know,
a good example is why we made that grilled cheese
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because you're you're at home still, you're trying to save
money before you go out. So you obviously we would
all love to go to dinner and buy amazing food
and amazing drinks, but we're also young, and you know
we're not. We're not spending a ton of money on
food and drinks all the time, or would rather not.
And so being at home and having your costco alcohol
(10:40):
and your grilled cheese ingredients are are a good way
to go. Yeah. So I guess when I think about pregaming,
because like I have a lot of dinner parties at
my house and stuff like that, or we go at
you know, we go out to dinner, and so my
pre gaming has basically gotten down to, let's have a
cocktail before we go out. A cocktail. A cocktail, Yeah,
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because I can't. I just can't do it anymore. I mean,
I like, at some point I realized, like my pre
game so to speak. I didn't know they were pre
games at the time. Now I know they were pregames.
My pre games became my endgame because I was like,
you know, a couple of cocktails and I was like,
oh my god, I'm like I can't even go to
dinner to go to sleep. I'm done. I'm done. So
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so now I'm a lot more careful and more and
more thoughtful about it, and frankly, like I like making
cocktails that are that are interesting and delicious as opposed
to just like what's the cheapest thing I can drink?
I'm not doing that of course, So like you know,
I mean, I've been unlike this the growny kick lately
because because you know, I'm so obsessed with with Italy,
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everything Italy, so you know, the gronies and then the
summertime sprits is and there's all kinds of sprits is
that you can use. So so like you're you're drinking
white claw, I'm drinking something. I'm drinking a soda called Keynoto.
Do you know what that is? Oh? It's is the
little like orangey brown soda that you haven't all the time,
but very good, Yes it is. It's actually it's an
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Italian style soda. It's I I tell people, it's like
a sour orange flavor, you know, so it's tart, little
fruity um. But I make sprits as we we actually
make a sprits with that at a mouthie called the
Roberto after me quietly and so like that has prosecco,
and it has a Morrow in it, and it has
Keynoteo in it. So like that's a fun pregame like sprits,
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you know, and you know, in the summertime, we drink
a lot of rose. I mean that's not original. A
lot of people drinking rose. But you know, and like
my business partner and best friend, Lawrence, who's we've been
partners for thirty years and friends for thirty years, like,
you know, well, we'll be at my house in the summer,
like on on the weekend, and like at ten thirties,
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like you want some rose. I'm like, wait, what it's
ten thirties, Like yeah, but you've been up a five
and a half exactly, you know who cares? Like right,
So I'm like not really and then you know, sure enough,
like at two a clock on them, I mean I'm
exhausted exactly. The pre game, it was like, pregame lunch
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looks good, right, Okay, you just let's flip it over.
Flipped it over. It's looking golden brown on the outside.
Crispy Verry smells very buttery, does it? Yeah? You know
why because there's butter buttery. So I'm gonna serve like
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a little jam with this. What do you think about that? Okay,
I'm down for that. Some blood orange marmalade, great blood
oranges cheese. That sounds good. You ever had baconto your
great cheeses? Yeah? I was actually gonna do that today.
Or tomato. Yeah, sometimes I do like like a like
a fried green tomato and bacon and cheese sandwich. My god,
that sounds great. But this is just the pregame. This
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is just the pregame. This is the game. I think
pregaming is a really fun like what somebody says, let's pregame.
When I hear somebody say that now and like, oh,
that sounds like a really good time. Yeah, because it's
fun because you get you also like you also play
like drinking games and games, music. You're playing great music,
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You're looking cute. Is it is you even messed up
your makeup yet? Is it? Is it while you're getting
dressed or is it like you've already gotten dressed and
now you're like at the pre game. It's usually you've
already gotten dressed and you're at the pre game and
you pre game somebody's house. Yeah, yes, unless like it's
just like for me, like a girl's night and we're
going to like a concert or something, and it's like
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only girls, and like, you know, we're all getting ready
together and and having like wine or you know, a
mixed drink or something like that. But usually you're already
dressed and ready to go. Yeah, it's a little preview
of the night you scope about the scene. What does
your pregame look like? You mean today? Yeah, I mean
as somebody who likes to entertain in my house, Uh,
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lots of cheese. I mean I usually make. I mean
I have a lot of pressure on because if somebody
comes over to my house for a dinner party, they're like,
I can still keep it casual, but I also like
I have to have something, something has to be thought out.
So I always try to make like a house cocktail
for the day. So it depends on like what the
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day is. So it's like I have a lot of
like you know, horse racing party, so like Kentucky Derby
or Preakness or you know Belmont Steaks or whatever. It is,
like they're always and those are easy things themes because
Kentucky Derby is like a bourbon cocktail or some sort
What did I make this year? Oh, I made Bourbon
ginger cocktails, so it was like it was bourbon with
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I made fresh ginger syrup and then I had candy
ginger and some fresh mint so it was like a
mint jewelup ginger e thing. So that was easy. And
then you know, for Preakness, it's Baltimore and so like
there's always some sort of crab situation happening. And and
then you know for bell On steaks, it's usually I
don't know, steaks. I don't know, I don't know, I
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don't even know because we usually go and when we
usually usually eat steaks. But like I think like having
having a house cocktail for the day, and it depends
like it's the summer. Like people love spritzes. You know
that spritses have like blown up lately. They used to
be like a wine sprits, so to speak, was like
what your grandmother used to drink. Oh, Dame Dorothy, she
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was a big wine sprits chick, big time, like back
in the day, Sophie, Like when I was a kid,
so wine spritses and it was literally like wine, and
I think it was like wine and club soda. It
was that kind of sprits that doesn't sound good at all.
Maybe I'm wrong, you know, but the spritses are more
sort of European, you know, it's a it's prosecco. I mean,
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apper All Sprits. The Apperall Sprits just has had such
such a moment in the past few years. I don't
love it as much as Capari because I like the
bigger The Apperle is too sweet for me. But that's
why I'm drinking that keynoto stuff. But that's sweet, isn't it.
I found one that's less sweet by Sam Pellegrino that
that one is a little bit less sweet, it's more tart.
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So I'm kind of digging on that, right. I like that.
Also it makes me feel like I'm Italian, which I'm
not correct. So I'm literally I'm just living the movie
in my life, Sophie. That's the way it works. But
then I also have to have, like you know, in
my pre game, so to speak. I have to have
like orders or appetizers as well. So when people get
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to my house, I just can't feed them lunch or dinner,
Like there has to be like something to go with
their cocktail, right, That's true. Yeah, there's a lot of
pressure do you feel the pressure always? Really, that's so
interesting to me. Actually, listen, It's the only thing I
know how to do in life is cook. Okay, So like,
if people are going to come to my house and
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I'm feeding them, I just want them to This is
the only thought that I want them to have. Is
that was good. It doesn't have to be anything more
than that. But I don't want to be like I mean,
he barely cooked anything. Like we got there and he
gave us like a club soda and some nuts. Okay. Wait,
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we've talked about the pregame though, and I mentioned the
post game, Yes you did, So what is your post
game looking like? Sleep my post I don't like postgame.
Let me just tell you something. Okay. I used to
have a rule, nothing good happens after two o'clock in
the morning. You know what's funny is I've heard that
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rule before, but yours is moved back lately. No, no, no,
I feel like it's such a mom thing to for
such a mom thing to say, like nothing good happens
after midnight? Use it to I am there roll well,
New York City is a four am situations No, I
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just listen. Here here's the problem. And it's just it's
just it's just based on how my how I run
my life. I wake up really early. I'm up at
like six o'clock at least. I was going to say,
that's almost late for you. Yeah, so like when it
rules at ten, ten thirty, eleven o'clock. Even though even
if I'm out, I'm like, god, damn, am my tired.
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Like I'm not looking. I'm not looking for the fifteenth cocktail,
you know, in some in some quiet bar somewhere. I
just it doesn't I mean, look back in the day
I used to go. I used to love going and dancing, Okay,
when I was you know, obviously much younger, and I
mean I still like doing it. I just I don't
get the opportunity anymore. And I could do that, but
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like just to continue what I'm doing all night, just
by changing the venue, it doesn't interest me. So like
I like early, like fun dinner, and then I'm done,
unless unless we're going like full hog and we're going
dancing at sunset. You know. Yeah, but my post game
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includes a cheeseburger or a case of dilla or something. Okay,
definitely pizza. That's why people call you from Joe's Pizza
on Bleaker Street at two o'clock in the morning, because right,
I always get that text. It's crazy. So pizza, burgers,
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fried chicken, chicken wings. This is that late night food
that you want, Chinese food. Walk to walk, walk to walk.
Remember I pointed that out when we were shooting the Flaylist.
Oh my god, it's so good. I mean, who doesn't
want to eat fried rice at two am? Noodles or
you know what's Oh no, I just figured it out.
What we did did not mention the most important late
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night thing to eat post game? The post game. Okay, bacon,
egg and cheese sandwich. Oh yeah, that's your thing. Go,
that's your post game. But then the next morning I
want to kill myself. But at the moment, there's nothing
better in the world. It's fifteen Michelin stars. Mm hmm.
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It's not even on the pan anymore. It's still siss one. Okay,
so I'm gonna serve. I bought this at you're at
the farmer's market. It's blood orange marmalade um. But it
can be any kind of jam. It can be honey.
You also which I like honey and cheese obviously, goes
hand in hand. I found this in the farmer's mark.
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I didn't make this. See. The thing I like about
this big bread is that you can cut up into
small pieces and basically make a gold cheese. And like
you don't want to overeat because you're probably gonna have dinner, right,
so you just want something to like to kind of
go with your cocktail or something. How is it? It's
hardly careful as a fancy grilled cheese crunch that fancy fancy.
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It's all about technique. I mean, and just use a
few cheeses. It could be one cheese. It doesn't matter
how you treat the bread. Alight digging it. Yeah, let's
grab a drink, all right, Let's talk about liquor because
this is really like it's a crazy phenomenon. Like every
celebrity now is a tequila brand. Like what do you drink?
Like what's what? What are people drinking out there? Like
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what are your friends rinking? Is there a is there
a certain spirit that's making pregame like the pregame is that?
Like you have to have a bottle of mescal now
in every pregame? Oh that see that's funny. Like I'm
like one of my only friends. I'm like one of
the only people in my crew that really is like
die hard mescal fan. That happen, I don't know. It
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must be it must be from you. What Yeah? Really? Yeah?
I think so. Well, if you didn't reduced me to it,
it's I like the smoky flavor because of you. That's like,
I love it. I love a mescal paloma. So grape
food juice and lime juice so good. Um. But okay,
so I think we're drinking a lot of tequila right now.
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I have a friend who believes that Jin is about
to have a big moment. I agree with that. You do.
Let me ask you a question, okay, Yeah, Well, first
of all, Gin is Jin is hard. Jin is tough.
You gotta you gotta bring your A game to the
pregame for Jim. I mean because and I used to
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drink gin gimlets. You know what that is? Yeah, gin
and lime juice. But I drink vodka gimblets. Yeah. Me
and Jane motion drink vodka gimblets. We drink a lot
of vodka gimlets at Gato this summer after I graduated college.
Because I'm so sad you and Jane motion. Yes, that's
like the best name. It's the best name. Jane Motion.
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Jane is always in motion constantly. So because I wanted
to ask you about what about brown liquors like whiskey
and bourbon and stuff like that. I do like whiskey
and bourbon. Would you consider rum a brown liquor if
it's dark rum? I like? I like rum, yeah, because
it's like like a rum. Punch. Punches have come back.
(24:19):
Punches are making you come back. I need to get
a punch bowl. I need to get a punch bole.
Where can you buy them? That's a good Okay, this
is a really good pregame situation. Make a punch, Make
a punch for pre games. You know who does great punches?
Is this this really fun bar called law Discarga. I
don't want to get it wrong. I think it's a
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Cuban bar in l A. What do the punch bowls
look like like punch bowls? Well, I don't know what
that looks like. What do you mean you normally looks like? Yes,
it's okay, So it's a Cuban bar and they do
like like punch bowls of like mohitos. It's so fun.
So that's just the picture of mohitos in a bowl. Yeah,
there's a difference between punches and you know, bulk cocktails. Yeah,
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that's true. The Black Cat in Um in Silver Lake
does they always have a five dollar punch every day
and it's always something different and it's delicious. Is it
fruit based? Um? Not always? But I mean I guess
that's more of like a classic punch, right, having a
fruit based Yeah, that is a good pregame idea. That idea.
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What okay, what should be our signature pregame punch? Well,
I think of you have to remember, like I think
of Hawaiian punch because it's so good. Yeah, so that's what.
But that's the whole point is that it's a fruit
based cocktail. So I think it should be like I
think it should be red in black fruits. Great, Ready, okay,
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here we go, blood, orange juice, oh my god, grapefruit juice, pint,
grape fruit juice, crushed blackberries. Yes, and then what's the
what's the spirit? Vodka? Rum? I think rum white rum, sure,
because the dark rum is gonna get in the way
all those berries, all those dark white rum. Wait, stay
(26:10):
with me, do we need pineapple? Juice in that too,
Oh my god, yes, okay, okay, white rum, pineapple juice,
fresh pineapple juice. That you that you juice extractor? Okay,
so pineapple fresh pineapple juice. Blackberries also in the extractor
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blood orange juice, pink grape fruit juice. So it's like tart,
sweet fruity and the blackberries rum. And then we need
a little simple syrup fresh mint. Sure, that's it. Did
you say the blackberries? Let's call it the Always Hungry Punch.
Always Hungry punch. That sounds great. We should make some
(26:55):
of that. Let's get a punch bowl. Okay, Amazon, Yeah,
I don't even know what they look like, well, bottoms up.
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