November 19, 2019 • 19 mins
Dr. Josh Axe is on a mission to transform healthcare with the power of food. He’s a bestselling author and and in this interview, he shares the details on his brand new book, “The Collagen Diet.”
He reveals how you can find collagen in simple foods found in the grocery store and what he calls the next big trend in natural healing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm a huge fan of collagen. One reason being looking
at the body, one third of the protein in our
body is collagen protein, so our skin, hair, nails, bones, discs, ligaments, tendons, fasha,
connective tissue, gut lining, and part of our arterial walls.
Even so much of our body is made up of collagen. Hi,
(00:46):
I'm Dr Oz and this is the Doctor Oz podcast.
Well everybody. He's one of the most influential voices and
integrative medicine and clinical magician. Doctor Josh acts that admission
to transform healthcare with the power of food. He's best
selling author in Today's Exclusively Be Given us the Details
and his brand new book That College and Died especially
(01:06):
have a door to having you on the show, besides
the fact people think you're a g Q model and
is a wonderful years wonderful us on the inside is
more on the outside. Um, can you just bring everybody
up to date and how you got interested in the
power of traditional natural remedies and healthcare. It's not something
that comes naturally to a lot of folks health care system. Yeah,
absolutely So for me really had to do with a
(01:27):
health crisis and my family, you know, growing up, my
family was into fitness, but I wouldn't say into hell.
So my mom was my gym teacher in elementary school.
My dad was a weightlifter and uh, and so we
thought we were healthy. But at four years old, my
mom was diagnosed with breast cancer. And she went through
the conventional sort of system at the time, and she
had amassectomy and went through chemotherapy. And I remember this day.
(01:49):
I mean I was in junior high at the time.
I remember remember seeing her lose her hair and how
sick she got, and you know, praise God. She went
through those treatments and was diagnosed as being cancer free
and how healthy. But what the problem afterwards? She she
just continued to have more health struggle. She was diagnosed
with chronic critique syndrome. She had, uh, you know, hypothyroidism,
(02:11):
got issues. She was just kind of sick and tired
all the time with thyroid and gut issues. And this
went on for ten years. And about a little bit
more than ten years later, I was in actually was
training to become a doctor. I got a call from
my mom and she says, I've got bad news. They
found a tumor on my lungs and you know, they're
they're they're considering treatment. What do I do? And I
(02:33):
flew home from Florida back to Ohio at the time
where we grew up, and we sat down, we prayed together.
We just we felt really led to take care of
her all naturally to start. And we were working with
her oncologist who was in Colembus, Ohio, saying, hey, we
want to try doing some of these natural things first,
and they said, okay, but we want you to come
back in four months. We're gonna reduce scans. And we
(02:54):
said okay, And so with my mom, we radically changed everything.
She started juicing that to bowles. She started doing a
lot of remedies like rieshie, mushroom and tumeric. She started
getting a lymphatic drainagement sage. The other big thing is
she started reducing stress. Like my mom had so much
fear and worry in her life and she decided I'm
gonna let go of those things. She started uh horseback riding,
(03:17):
which she did when she was, you know, a little kid.
And so we followed this sort of natural program for
four months. We went back and saw her in cologists
in Columbus and her in college is called the next day,
and she said, this is highly unusual. I we don't
typically see things turned around this much this fast, they said,
But the tumor that's there went from two point five
centimeters down to one point two. This is we wanted. Yeah,
(03:39):
it was amazing, that's right. Yeah. And then she went
back several months later and it shrunk again. And and
today my mom is sixty seven. She never did any
any other treatments outside of taking Gere of her health.
But here here's the thing I do want to say is,
um my mom changed everything. I mean, she literally like
(04:00):
she was the best patient I've ever had in terms
of reducing stress and sticking to her juice, taking her supplements.
And I'm not saying this happens for everybody. I'm not
saying this as a cure, but I do know with
my mom. That's one of the things that's really empowered
me so much is and my now my mom is like,
and my mom ran a five K with me a
few years ago. She got second, and so funny my
(04:20):
dad got third, so now she she would wear her
little metal around. I got third actually in my age
group as well, so um so she beat me too.
So it was great and she water skis at sixties seven.
Her my dad retired down in Florida. They live on
a lake down there and just doing really amazing. So
that's one of the biggest things that inspired me, and
(04:41):
that's another reason why I started my website newsletter. Is uh,
we didn't know, like, we didn't know how to be
healthy growing up. It really took my mom getting sick
that really launched us into searching for you know, search
searching for truth. When you tell the story like they
can just share with your mom, which is I know
studying for a lot of the folks ondiouse it's apocryphal almost,
(05:01):
I was, how was a possible? First of all, the
because you even listen to her son, you have to
applaud you, because most models will not listen to their
son the doctor. You know that even though they're proud
of you, it's so true. And to realize that to
diet and lifestyle changes, she immediately impacted her immune system
and arguably changed the course of her life. These people
to think I can do that just by itself, how
(05:23):
do you? How do you balance in your own practice?
So maybe you speak to how much traditional medicine they
are to pay attention to and when mayso you truch
on alternative approaches. Yeah, so so my always, my, my,
My advice is is always work with your doctor, be honest,
talk them through what you're thinking with and really keep open.
Communication is number one. But I would say this number
one here, my my again, an oath I tuck is first,
(05:46):
do no harm. And I know that to to a degree.
If you look at the studies, a lot of the
conventional treatments do have more side effects and a lot
of the natural things. And so so what I tended
to do is say, let's let's go at this as
hard as we can. Let's if you've got heart disease,
let's do tumoric, let's do hawthorne, let's do fish so,
let's do cocutin, let's do exercise. Let's we're gonna stress.
(06:06):
I lay at a very comprehensive here's a plan to follow,
and let's do your best. But at the same time,
get monitored, get checked, continue to have this relationship. And again,
I never want somebody to go, uh, you know, do
things against their doctor's will, but in agreement with and
so again I found that most of the time, uh,
you know, doctors are really really doctors want to They
(06:28):
got medicine to help people get healthy and they want
that for people. But I do think here's the thing
I do want to say, it depends on the condition
as well. If we're talking about something like diabetes where
it's less aggressive and you have more time versus again,
with my mom there's a tumor. I think there's different things.
I think with my mom. Here's the other difference with
my mom. My mom changed everything. Some people say, hey,
(06:52):
I'm gonna change that doesn't work. I mean I think again,
if somebody so you know that this is great, it's
a really are and it's a big spectrum here. But
my advice is always do everything you can naturally. But hey,
there's a place where a medical says we have the
best medical system in the world. It saves lives on
a regular basis. And so again I do think there's
(07:13):
great value in um, you know, kind of both worlds,
depending upon the person. There's lots more will be come
back if medicine and you know, and just getting the
(07:34):
touch of benefits. But if if you want food to
be the medicine, and obviously the converse is also true,
give me the the three items as you always want
in someone's grocery part the items as you crush on
the most. Yeah, my, my, my advice. And I'll put
these in one category herbs and spices, vegetables, and then
(07:54):
after that, I'm gonna throw in a couple more. I mean,
I love berries, but I also love things like bone broth,
I love ologen, but those would be my top ones.
And I'll say this if you look. I read a
book years ago called the Okan Now and Diet, and
I love the book, but they said American men consume
one eighth of the antioxidants and herbs and spices than America.
Are Americans in the US than Americans in Japan. And
(08:17):
when our ancestors said medicine, they always were talking about
herbs and spices. So I think if you look in
the Middle East today, in Indian Asia, they are consuming
so many herbs and spices. You go into a market,
it smells like herbs and spices and maybe fish. You're
go into a grocery store in American it smells like
nothing or bleached, you know. But I think herbs and
(08:37):
spices are probably the biggest thing we're missing. And I
love the fact that you can pack recipes, avoid salt,
to do a lot of things that that make vegetables
taste better. One of the biggest challenges I've always noticed
that to get My wife taught me this. Dafty's reinforced
it is, if you eat food they love, you'll do
it all the time. Well, you can make vegetables taste
(08:57):
so good you wanna eat them all the time. But
if you're just eating basically a side dish of your steak,
of course doesn't taste very good. And god to be
eating only raw which sometimes you suck the one. But
my goodness, you Trey, with all the wonderful knowledge of
humanity preparing food. Oh, I couldn't agree more. And that's
the one of the reason I was. I was telling
you and when I was interviewing you how much I
love watching Daphne show, uh the chew and the dish.
(09:18):
And then also I know your your wife, Lisa's a cook.
But that being said, like Chelsea and I have like
these food nights with friends, and we're both more introverted,
but we love just having a couple, you know, a
couple other couples over and doing some red wine and
like we ever since we came back. We did a
trip to Italy like seven years ago. We were like,
we're doing these food nights with our friends and then
we'll do it kind of all night. But people would
(09:39):
ask me, and I'm not trying to boast, but they're like,
why does your chicken or food tastes so much better
when you make it? And I'd be like, because I
use like trip with the herbs, Like when you use
more basil and rosemary and garlic, everything tastes better. Yeah,
show a little secret with you, Dapthys shared me. You
ask all the great chefs the key to their success
it's extra salt and butter. But for you, which have
(10:00):
been better? So I want to applaud you. Um, your
new book is called The College and Died, and you
argue that collagen is that is missing. Keen create many
people's health and a lot of people don't know much
about collagen. And obviously there's always arguments about how much
collegen gets into your actual skin to make it look better.
But what else to do besides that? What give us
a treatise on collegen and what it can do for folks? Yeah,
(10:20):
so you know, I'm a huge fan of collagen. One
reason being looking at the body, one third of the
protein in our body is collagen protein, so our skin, hair, nails, bones, disks, ligaments, tendons, fasha,
connective tissue, gut lining, and part of our arterial walls.
Even and actually, if a woman is UH creating a
(10:41):
new baby, it's the placenta is made up of mostly collagen.
So so much of our body is made up of collagen.
And you know, our body can create collagen on its own.
Your body likes and needs things like vitamin C, a
little bit of iron and zinc and certain things to
actually create collagen. But your body, it's easier for your
body to create college and when it has the direct
(11:02):
building blocks, which is proline, glysen and hydroxy proline, which
are something you're gonna consume if you consume bone broth
or a collagen rich food. So sometimes people think if
I eat collagen and makes immediately that collagen goes to
the body and becomes collagen. It doesn't work that way.
Your body has to break it down, but it uses
those same building blocks to build collagen back up. And
(11:23):
I've been so impressed as I've worked with UH, you know,
patients in the past and people over the years, uh,
looking at when they've used collagen, they'll notice their hair
gets thicker, their nails are stronger, their skin starts looking
better and more firm, and so. And there are some
good studies on collagen decreasing, you know, the total depth
of wrinkles and those sorts of things. So, so there's
(11:46):
definitely some not a lot, but there definitely are some good,
good early studies. That's source of the college of your opinion.
And I'm I'm curious because ideally, if it's so valuate
for humans, we would be able to get it from
our food at some point. Yeah. Number one is bone
off by far is your highest source. After that, it's
gonna be eating the skin of animals. Historically when people
ate fish, they would eat the skin um. Also, chicken
(12:10):
skin is full of collagen beef so, and then the
other thing is which we don't get much today. The
next highest is organ meats actually like liver have some
collagen in it. The thing is today we you know,
we just eat like the chicken breast or the flesh.
Where which is muscle building proteins is branch chain and
menoes and mathionine. Today we're not. We don't drink as
(12:30):
near as much broth. We don't, you know, we we
don't eat the organ meats and that's that's really where
all the collagen is. So as you go, you know,
spend your time running around, you get exposed to the
newest was cutting edge ideas, And I'm wondering what the
next super food is, what's the next big tradition with
food and stuff. I'm gonna move to some cool categories
(12:52):
beyond that. Yeah, so so I think again, I'm gonna
jump back to herbs and spices. I think adapted genic
herbs are going to continue need to be popular. You
look in you look in traditional Chinese medicine in Asia today,
the amount of mushrooms people are eating is absolutely huge.
I mean especially today. The benefits and there are Now,
if we're talking about US studies, there's some good studies,
(13:13):
but if you go over and look at the Middle
Eastern and the Asian studies on mushrooms, they're incredible. Especially
Rishi number one, I would say, lions mate. You know,
lions Maine has been shown to be really good, good
for the nervous system and for the brain. And then
I also love you know my talking and Court of Sets,
but I would say Rishi and Lions Maine are absolutely
(13:33):
two of my favorites. And then I think some other adaptations.
There's a there's one called hi Wo Shoe, which is
called Foti. There's an angel and I love all the
ancient legends, and so I fo t I. Yeah, So
Foti the legend goes at a a male doctor's hair
turned gray and he started something with fote everybody and
(13:54):
it turned it from gray back to black. But anyways,
all that being said, it's one of the most It's
in Chinese medicine. It's under restore your jing, which in
jing is essentially your strengthening your DNA. It's sperm, it's testostero,
it's those sort of things, and men. It's a more
gentle form of It's kind of in the Jin Singh family,
but that's fantastic. I think Shossandra Franti aging um is
(14:18):
another one that's gonna be popular, you know what's fun
Like Oshua Ganda. Nobody knew what it was ten years ago,
but now now everybody's talking about it. So I think
we're gonna see more of these adapt agens. The foties,
the Chasandra. I think don Kuai, especially for women around
their menstrual cycle, it's the top blood builder. In fact,
if you taste it tastes like iron, but it's um.
(14:39):
I think more of these Chinese and irabetic herbs are
gonna keep creeping into our our system. More questions after
the break. So I'm going into China in November, and
(14:59):
I end up going to China once a year. I
went the first time in my father in law. Wow,
and back then they were all everyone's writing. Now suits
and there's electricity after the sundown was fascinating. The experience
for me um and I really adore the culture, but
especially the traditional Chinese medicine offerings. How have you learned
so much about you know? Actually I learned it through
(15:21):
an acupuncturist here in Nashville's name is Dr gil Banami,
and he was in the Israeli UH Israeli Army and
he studied under a you know, she was known as
a master Chinese acupuncturist who lived in Israel. He trained
under here, he moved to the US and he's one
of my best friends. And so him and I for
the past seven years, for ten years of really actually
(15:43):
made about seven years. I I've spent a lot of
time just picking his brain, doing lunch with him, talking,
and then he recommended some Chinese medicine textbooks and I
just read a lot, you know, So I'll just spend
time talking to him and reading and I've a lot
in the five elements. But really it was through his
mentor show well, this picture but I'm taking. We're having
a summit at the Beijing University of Traditional Chinese Medicine,
(16:07):
and I there are some wonderful physicians there who are
trying to explain so that the Western mine can understand
it some of these tracial Chinese remedies and and and
they're inter related with the aerobetic solutions as well. But
just for everyone listening, there's thousands of years experienced right
on these herbs. So there's something there. It works in
a actually explain how you see Chinese herbal therapies in
(16:28):
particular working. Yeah. So here here's what I think that
people need to realize is I think a lot of times,
and listen, I think there is a lot to be
said about a double blind medical study. And we have
a great system today for studies. But I don't think
that should discount, you know, three thousand plus years of
irabetic and Chinese medicine to where they weren't doing these
double blind studies in the way we do them with
(16:48):
large populations. But over time, what they accumulated together as
a society really accumulates to millions of individual case studies
on patients and some of the doctors using the herbs
on themselves to see how the body reacts. And so
the way that most Chinese medical physicians look at the
body is it's not mostly based on hey, you have
(17:09):
this gene, so it affects us. Of course we know
genes have to be turned on. But they'll say it's
based on your body's internal environment. Is your body too
hot or is it too cold internally? Is it too
damp or too dry? Is there too much movement called wind,
too little movement called stagnation. So for instance, like why
do we call it a cold today? You know that
stems way way back from Chinese medicine where they said, well,
(17:31):
your body is cold because it's cold internally, so you
need to do warming spices. All the warming spices help
you get rid of a cold, like uh, ginger, garlic, cinnamon, kaien, pepper.
These are all warm spicy or regular. These are all
warm spicy herbs. I used to take air of a
pastor here in Nashville and I was like, he had
(17:52):
a cold. I'm like, hey, what are you doing right
now for your cold? I want to give you a
few recommendations. He said, well, I always go home and
do a hot toddy And I'm like, well is that.
And I wasn't from Nashvia. I came from the North,
so I had no idea. And he's like, well, I
take whiskey, and let me say this. I don't think
that's the best recommendation, but it's the hottest of all
the cores and it's better than beer, which is cooling
(18:12):
according to Chinese medicine. So all that being said, Chinese medicine,
they look at what's going on in for instance, candida,
and most digestive issues are called by dampness, and the
foods that drive dampness are bitter herbs. Today it's all
sweet and salty, no bitter and sour. And bitter and
sour or will activate your liver and bio to dry
up dampness. So anyways, that's that's the way that Chinese
(18:34):
medicine practitioners look at healing your body. It's by changing
your internal environment, which in strengthening your system to beat disease. No, Josh,
just incation, which again you summarize two thousand years of
human wisdom in about a minute and a Half's reflective
of why you're so good at what you do. Your
passion so seeps through all your pores. You're incredibly insightful
and some of these really cool things are happening in life,
(18:56):
and I get it. I have to say it's a
bit of blessing and getting Annoli over with the eleven
years of my show, and I know we'll do lost
more fun stuff together. I wouldn't want to recognize that.
You can hear lots more about Josh's. The latest focus
hitting the stores the Seasember is called that Collagen died
twenty one day planned for sustate weight loss, lowing skin,
great gut health and young you. In the meantime, just
search a xc acts. You know he comes up first
(19:17):
and he's all over the place for good reasons. Josh,
I wish you'd best my friend. Awesome. Well, let's say
thanks so much, Dr Oz. It's an honor again I
love what you do, love your mission, so thanks so
much for having me on. God bless Josh, bless
I'm a huge fan of collagen. One reason being looking
at the body, one third of the protein in our
body is collagen protein, so our skin, hair, nails, bones, discs, ligaments, tendons, fasha,
connective tissue, gut lining, and part of our arterial walls.
Even so much of our body is made up of collagen. Hi,
(00:46):
I'm Dr Oz and this is the Doctor Oz podcast.
Well everybody. He's one of the most influential voices and
integrative medicine and clinical magician. Doctor Josh acts that admission
to transform healthcare with the power of food. He's best
selling author in Today's Exclusively Be Given us the Details
and his brand new book That College and Died especially
(01:06):
have a door to having you on the show, besides
the fact people think you're a g Q model and
is a wonderful years wonderful us on the inside is
more on the outside. Um, can you just bring everybody
up to date and how you got interested in the
power of traditional natural remedies and healthcare. It's not something
that comes naturally to a lot of folks health care system. Yeah,
absolutely So for me really had to do with a
(01:27):
health crisis and my family, you know, growing up, my
family was into fitness, but I wouldn't say into hell.
So my mom was my gym teacher in elementary school.
My dad was a weightlifter and uh, and so we
thought we were healthy. But at four years old, my
mom was diagnosed with breast cancer. And she went through
the conventional sort of system at the time, and she
had amassectomy and went through chemotherapy. And I remember this day.
(01:49):
I mean I was in junior high at the time.
I remember remember seeing her lose her hair and how
sick she got, and you know, praise God. She went
through those treatments and was diagnosed as being cancer free
and how healthy. But what the problem afterwards? She she
just continued to have more health struggle. She was diagnosed
with chronic critique syndrome. She had, uh, you know, hypothyroidism,
(02:11):
got issues. She was just kind of sick and tired
all the time with thyroid and gut issues. And this
went on for ten years. And about a little bit
more than ten years later, I was in actually was
training to become a doctor. I got a call from
my mom and she says, I've got bad news. They
found a tumor on my lungs and you know, they're
they're they're considering treatment. What do I do? And I
(02:33):
flew home from Florida back to Ohio at the time
where we grew up, and we sat down, we prayed together.
We just we felt really led to take care of
her all naturally to start. And we were working with
her oncologist who was in Colembus, Ohio, saying, hey, we
want to try doing some of these natural things first,
and they said, okay, but we want you to come
back in four months. We're gonna reduce scans. And we
(02:54):
said okay, And so with my mom, we radically changed everything.
She started juicing that to bowles. She started doing a
lot of remedies like rieshie, mushroom and tumeric. She started
getting a lymphatic drainagement sage. The other big thing is
she started reducing stress. Like my mom had so much
fear and worry in her life and she decided I'm
gonna let go of those things. She started uh horseback riding,
(03:17):
which she did when she was, you know, a little kid.
And so we followed this sort of natural program for
four months. We went back and saw her in cologists
in Columbus and her in college is called the next day,
and she said, this is highly unusual. I we don't
typically see things turned around this much this fast, they said,
But the tumor that's there went from two point five
centimeters down to one point two. This is we wanted. Yeah,
(03:39):
it was amazing, that's right. Yeah. And then she went
back several months later and it shrunk again. And and
today my mom is sixty seven. She never did any
any other treatments outside of taking Gere of her health.
But here here's the thing I do want to say is,
um my mom changed everything. I mean, she literally like
(04:00):
she was the best patient I've ever had in terms
of reducing stress and sticking to her juice, taking her supplements.
And I'm not saying this happens for everybody. I'm not
saying this as a cure, but I do know with
my mom. That's one of the things that's really empowered
me so much is and my now my mom is like,
and my mom ran a five K with me a
few years ago. She got second, and so funny my
(04:20):
dad got third, so now she she would wear her
little metal around. I got third actually in my age
group as well, so um so she beat me too.
So it was great and she water skis at sixties seven.
Her my dad retired down in Florida. They live on
a lake down there and just doing really amazing. So
that's one of the biggest things that inspired me, and
(04:41):
that's another reason why I started my website newsletter. Is uh,
we didn't know, like, we didn't know how to be
healthy growing up. It really took my mom getting sick
that really launched us into searching for you know, search
searching for truth. When you tell the story like they
can just share with your mom, which is I know
studying for a lot of the folks ondiouse it's apocryphal almost,
(05:01):
I was, how was a possible? First of all, the
because you even listen to her son, you have to
applaud you, because most models will not listen to their
son the doctor. You know that even though they're proud
of you, it's so true. And to realize that to
diet and lifestyle changes, she immediately impacted her immune system
and arguably changed the course of her life. These people
to think I can do that just by itself, how
(05:23):
do you? How do you balance in your own practice?
So maybe you speak to how much traditional medicine they
are to pay attention to and when mayso you truch
on alternative approaches. Yeah, so so my always, my, my,
My advice is is always work with your doctor, be honest,
talk them through what you're thinking with and really keep open.
Communication is number one. But I would say this number
one here, my my again, an oath I tuck is first,
(05:46):
do no harm. And I know that to to a degree.
If you look at the studies, a lot of the
conventional treatments do have more side effects and a lot
of the natural things. And so so what I tended
to do is say, let's let's go at this as
hard as we can. Let's if you've got heart disease,
let's do tumoric, let's do hawthorne, let's do fish so,
let's do cocutin, let's do exercise. Let's we're gonna stress.
(06:06):
I lay at a very comprehensive here's a plan to follow,
and let's do your best. But at the same time,
get monitored, get checked, continue to have this relationship. And again,
I never want somebody to go, uh, you know, do
things against their doctor's will, but in agreement with and
so again I found that most of the time, uh,
you know, doctors are really really doctors want to They
(06:28):
got medicine to help people get healthy and they want
that for people. But I do think here's the thing
I do want to say, it depends on the condition
as well. If we're talking about something like diabetes where
it's less aggressive and you have more time versus again,
with my mom there's a tumor. I think there's different things.
I think with my mom. Here's the other difference with
my mom. My mom changed everything. Some people say, hey,
(06:52):
I'm gonna change that doesn't work. I mean I think again,
if somebody so you know that this is great, it's
a really are and it's a big spectrum here. But
my advice is always do everything you can naturally. But hey,
there's a place where a medical says we have the
best medical system in the world. It saves lives on
a regular basis. And so again I do think there's
(07:13):
great value in um, you know, kind of both worlds,
depending upon the person. There's lots more will be come
back if medicine and you know, and just getting the
(07:34):
touch of benefits. But if if you want food to
be the medicine, and obviously the converse is also true,
give me the the three items as you always want
in someone's grocery part the items as you crush on
the most. Yeah, my, my, my advice. And I'll put
these in one category herbs and spices, vegetables, and then
(07:54):
after that, I'm gonna throw in a couple more. I mean,
I love berries, but I also love things like bone broth,
I love ologen, but those would be my top ones.
And I'll say this if you look. I read a
book years ago called the Okan Now and Diet, and
I love the book, but they said American men consume
one eighth of the antioxidants and herbs and spices than America.
Are Americans in the US than Americans in Japan. And
(08:17):
when our ancestors said medicine, they always were talking about
herbs and spices. So I think if you look in
the Middle East today, in Indian Asia, they are consuming
so many herbs and spices. You go into a market,
it smells like herbs and spices and maybe fish. You're
go into a grocery store in American it smells like
nothing or bleached, you know. But I think herbs and
(08:37):
spices are probably the biggest thing we're missing. And I
love the fact that you can pack recipes, avoid salt,
to do a lot of things that that make vegetables
taste better. One of the biggest challenges I've always noticed
that to get My wife taught me this. Dafty's reinforced
it is, if you eat food they love, you'll do
it all the time. Well, you can make vegetables taste
(08:57):
so good you wanna eat them all the time. But
if you're just eating basically a side dish of your steak,
of course doesn't taste very good. And god to be
eating only raw which sometimes you suck the one. But
my goodness, you Trey, with all the wonderful knowledge of
humanity preparing food. Oh, I couldn't agree more. And that's
the one of the reason I was. I was telling
you and when I was interviewing you how much I
love watching Daphne show, uh the chew and the dish.
(09:18):
And then also I know your your wife, Lisa's a cook.
But that being said, like Chelsea and I have like
these food nights with friends, and we're both more introverted,
but we love just having a couple, you know, a
couple other couples over and doing some red wine and
like we ever since we came back. We did a
trip to Italy like seven years ago. We were like,
we're doing these food nights with our friends and then
we'll do it kind of all night. But people would
(09:39):
ask me, and I'm not trying to boast, but they're like,
why does your chicken or food tastes so much better
when you make it? And I'd be like, because I
use like trip with the herbs, Like when you use
more basil and rosemary and garlic, everything tastes better. Yeah,
show a little secret with you, Dapthys shared me. You
ask all the great chefs the key to their success
it's extra salt and butter. But for you, which have
(10:00):
been better? So I want to applaud you. Um, your
new book is called The College and Died, and you
argue that collagen is that is missing. Keen create many
people's health and a lot of people don't know much
about collagen. And obviously there's always arguments about how much
collegen gets into your actual skin to make it look better.
But what else to do besides that? What give us
a treatise on collegen and what it can do for folks? Yeah,
(10:20):
so you know, I'm a huge fan of collagen. One
reason being looking at the body, one third of the
protein in our body is collagen protein, so our skin, hair, nails, bones, disks, ligaments, tendons, fasha,
connective tissue, gut lining, and part of our arterial walls.
Even and actually, if a woman is UH creating a
(10:41):
new baby, it's the placenta is made up of mostly collagen.
So so much of our body is made up of collagen.
And you know, our body can create collagen on its own.
Your body likes and needs things like vitamin C, a
little bit of iron and zinc and certain things to
actually create collagen. But your body, it's easier for your
body to create college and when it has the direct
(11:02):
building blocks, which is proline, glysen and hydroxy proline, which
are something you're gonna consume if you consume bone broth
or a collagen rich food. So sometimes people think if
I eat collagen and makes immediately that collagen goes to
the body and becomes collagen. It doesn't work that way.
Your body has to break it down, but it uses
those same building blocks to build collagen back up. And
(11:23):
I've been so impressed as I've worked with UH, you know,
patients in the past and people over the years, uh,
looking at when they've used collagen, they'll notice their hair
gets thicker, their nails are stronger, their skin starts looking
better and more firm, and so. And there are some
good studies on collagen decreasing, you know, the total depth
of wrinkles and those sorts of things. So, so there's
(11:46):
definitely some not a lot, but there definitely are some good,
good early studies. That's source of the college of your opinion.
And I'm I'm curious because ideally, if it's so valuate
for humans, we would be able to get it from
our food at some point. Yeah. Number one is bone
off by far is your highest source. After that, it's
gonna be eating the skin of animals. Historically when people
ate fish, they would eat the skin um. Also, chicken
(12:10):
skin is full of collagen beef so, and then the
other thing is which we don't get much today. The
next highest is organ meats actually like liver have some
collagen in it. The thing is today we you know,
we just eat like the chicken breast or the flesh.
Where which is muscle building proteins is branch chain and
menoes and mathionine. Today we're not. We don't drink as
(12:30):
near as much broth. We don't, you know, we we
don't eat the organ meats and that's that's really where
all the collagen is. So as you go, you know,
spend your time running around, you get exposed to the
newest was cutting edge ideas, And I'm wondering what the
next super food is, what's the next big tradition with
food and stuff. I'm gonna move to some cool categories
(12:52):
beyond that. Yeah, so so I think again, I'm gonna
jump back to herbs and spices. I think adapted genic
herbs are going to continue need to be popular. You
look in you look in traditional Chinese medicine in Asia today,
the amount of mushrooms people are eating is absolutely huge.
I mean especially today. The benefits and there are Now,
if we're talking about US studies, there's some good studies,
(13:13):
but if you go over and look at the Middle
Eastern and the Asian studies on mushrooms, they're incredible. Especially
Rishi number one, I would say, lions mate. You know,
lions Maine has been shown to be really good, good
for the nervous system and for the brain. And then
I also love you know my talking and Court of Sets,
but I would say Rishi and Lions Maine are absolutely
(13:33):
two of my favorites. And then I think some other adaptations.
There's a there's one called hi Wo Shoe, which is
called Foti. There's an angel and I love all the
ancient legends, and so I fo t I. Yeah, So
Foti the legend goes at a a male doctor's hair
turned gray and he started something with fote everybody and
(13:54):
it turned it from gray back to black. But anyways,
all that being said, it's one of the most It's
in Chinese medicine. It's under restore your jing, which in
jing is essentially your strengthening your DNA. It's sperm, it's testostero,
it's those sort of things, and men. It's a more
gentle form of It's kind of in the Jin Singh family,
but that's fantastic. I think Shossandra Franti aging um is
(14:18):
another one that's gonna be popular, you know what's fun
Like Oshua Ganda. Nobody knew what it was ten years ago,
but now now everybody's talking about it. So I think
we're gonna see more of these adapt agens. The foties,
the Chasandra. I think don Kuai, especially for women around
their menstrual cycle, it's the top blood builder. In fact,
if you taste it tastes like iron, but it's um.
(14:39):
I think more of these Chinese and irabetic herbs are
gonna keep creeping into our our system. More questions after
the break. So I'm going into China in November, and
(14:59):
I end up going to China once a year. I
went the first time in my father in law. Wow,
and back then they were all everyone's writing. Now suits
and there's electricity after the sundown was fascinating. The experience
for me um and I really adore the culture, but
especially the traditional Chinese medicine offerings. How have you learned
so much about you know? Actually I learned it through
(15:21):
an acupuncturist here in Nashville's name is Dr gil Banami,
and he was in the Israeli UH Israeli Army and
he studied under a you know, she was known as
a master Chinese acupuncturist who lived in Israel. He trained
under here, he moved to the US and he's one
of my best friends. And so him and I for
the past seven years, for ten years of really actually
(15:43):
made about seven years. I I've spent a lot of
time just picking his brain, doing lunch with him, talking,
and then he recommended some Chinese medicine textbooks and I
just read a lot, you know, So I'll just spend
time talking to him and reading and I've a lot
in the five elements. But really it was through his
mentor show well, this picture but I'm taking. We're having
a summit at the Beijing University of Traditional Chinese Medicine,
(16:07):
and I there are some wonderful physicians there who are
trying to explain so that the Western mine can understand
it some of these tracial Chinese remedies and and and
they're inter related with the aerobetic solutions as well. But
just for everyone listening, there's thousands of years experienced right
on these herbs. So there's something there. It works in
a actually explain how you see Chinese herbal therapies in
(16:28):
particular working. Yeah. So here here's what I think that
people need to realize is I think a lot of times,
and listen, I think there is a lot to be
said about a double blind medical study. And we have
a great system today for studies. But I don't think
that should discount, you know, three thousand plus years of
irabetic and Chinese medicine to where they weren't doing these
double blind studies in the way we do them with
(16:48):
large populations. But over time, what they accumulated together as
a society really accumulates to millions of individual case studies
on patients and some of the doctors using the herbs
on themselves to see how the body reacts. And so
the way that most Chinese medical physicians look at the
body is it's not mostly based on hey, you have
(17:09):
this gene, so it affects us. Of course we know
genes have to be turned on. But they'll say it's
based on your body's internal environment. Is your body too
hot or is it too cold internally? Is it too
damp or too dry? Is there too much movement called wind,
too little movement called stagnation. So for instance, like why
do we call it a cold today? You know that
stems way way back from Chinese medicine where they said, well,
(17:31):
your body is cold because it's cold internally, so you
need to do warming spices. All the warming spices help
you get rid of a cold, like uh, ginger, garlic, cinnamon, kaien, pepper.
These are all warm spicy or regular. These are all
warm spicy herbs. I used to take air of a
pastor here in Nashville and I was like, he had
(17:52):
a cold. I'm like, hey, what are you doing right
now for your cold? I want to give you a
few recommendations. He said, well, I always go home and
do a hot toddy And I'm like, well is that.
And I wasn't from Nashvia. I came from the North,
so I had no idea. And he's like, well, I
take whiskey, and let me say this. I don't think
that's the best recommendation, but it's the hottest of all
the cores and it's better than beer, which is cooling
(18:12):
according to Chinese medicine. So all that being said, Chinese medicine,
they look at what's going on in for instance, candida,
and most digestive issues are called by dampness, and the
foods that drive dampness are bitter herbs. Today it's all
sweet and salty, no bitter and sour. And bitter and
sour or will activate your liver and bio to dry
up dampness. So anyways, that's that's the way that Chinese
(18:34):
medicine practitioners look at healing your body. It's by changing
your internal environment, which in strengthening your system to beat disease. No, Josh,
just incation, which again you summarize two thousand years of
human wisdom in about a minute and a Half's reflective
of why you're so good at what you do. Your
passion so seeps through all your pores. You're incredibly insightful
and some of these really cool things are happening in life,
(18:56):
and I get it. I have to say it's a
bit of blessing and getting Annoli over with the eleven
years of my show, and I know we'll do lost
more fun stuff together. I wouldn't want to recognize that.
You can hear lots more about Josh's. The latest focus
hitting the stores the Seasember is called that Collagen died
twenty one day planned for sustate weight loss, lowing skin,
great gut health and young you. In the meantime, just
search a xc acts. You know he comes up first
(19:17):
and he's all over the place for good reasons. Josh,
I wish you'd best my friend. Awesome. Well, let's say
thanks so much, Dr Oz. It's an honor again I
love what you do, love your mission, so thanks so
much for having me on. God bless Josh, bless
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