July 10, 2024 • 40 mins
As a teenager, Amy Robach spent a night in jail. Here are the details.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, there are folks in this episode. We have no
idea what we're about to say because we have no
idea what you are about to ask. And with that,
welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Road. It's
been a while. It was one of our favorite things
early on, but we haven't done it again.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Take questions, that's right, and so we had our producers
reach out on social media to ask you all what
you wanted to know from us. We have zero clue
what the questions are, but we're excited to do our
best to answer that.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Were there any rules there that count? I don't think
we said heyd put this, don't do that. We kind
of left it all in our producer's hands.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's correct. We actually gave them no stipulation so they
can and well they is. Emma, who is sitting right
across from us, has the list of questions and she
is she's not going to be on the hot seat.
She's the most nervous of the three of us right now,
which is so funny.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
We all we prepare, We do a lot of reading,
research and getting in questions. I'm so too for this episode.
I'm not nervous about what's going to be at we
This is one we don't have to prepare for. We
know the answers, don't we. Baby.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
We tell this to people all the time that we interview.
We're not gonna ask you a trick question. Anything we
ask you, you are going to know because it's going
to be about you. So the same rules apply right
back at us. And I'm totally chill.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Now now that we set it up that way, she's
gonna hit us or something we don't know at the top.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And we're like, wait, what now, we weren't expecting that. Huh.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
So all right, Emma said you all. If you anybody
who listen to our podcast, you know the name Emma.
She hangs out with us in here all the time
and helps us. She's one of our superstar producers. But
she's got the questions today. So Emma, you take it away,
kind ma'am. Let's start all right.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
First question, Rosie asks if your life were a movie,
what scene would you watch over and over again.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Oh that's a really good question.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Damn, I got my answer.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Okay, go ahead, so I can think of mine.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh it's not a positive. Necessarily, there was a fight
we were in Okay, there was a fight we were in.
You were and really upset and you stormed out and
then you came back. You actually left, You slammed the door,
left where we were, Uh yes, calling mister Papa there.
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But we got into a fight. That was I believe
a turning point for our relationship because we learned what
we were willing to sacrifice, what we were willing to do,
and we learned that we were not willing to let
this go and to fight for this relationship. That is
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a scene. It would be, Oh, it would. It would
be played over and over. It was like notebook equivalent
type of a scene. Okay, it was that kind of intense.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That's the one I would play with there, I I
can totally get that. And I think for me, the
one I would play over and over again was for me,
the night that I knew that we were going to
be okay and that we were going to make it,
because neither one of us were going to be okay
if our kids weren't. And it was right after New
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Year's we had we called it fight night, and it
was your idea and I don't even know who was fighting,
but we got the package on whatever pay per view
and Sabine, Ava, Annalise and some friends all gathered in
that room and you cooked and we all watched and
everybody it felt safe, It felt it felt joyful for
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the first time in a long time, and I knew
we have just built you know, We've worked really hard,
We've taken our time, and now we're going to be
able to build on this. And I saw our life together.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
How long ago was it the most recent?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Oh for me.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
For me, that was in January of twenty twenty four.
You know, I think for me when that night happened
and I saw how beautiful and natural it felt. It
wasn't perfect, but it was a place to start from
where I felt like I could see us, you know,
with the grandkids, and I could see us in the
backyard grilling and all of our girls are there together,
and I felt that joy and I could rewatch that
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night because that was where things for me I felt.
I felt this new confidence that we were going to
get through all of this stuff that had been so
hard for us and for our daughters, that we were
gonna we were gonna be able to build something.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I was trying to remember the fight night that I
think with Deontay Wilde. It was like a dual car.
It started earlier because it was over Okay, and we
had everybody. That was a long, fun, crazy day. The
girls and friends were in and it just felt like
it was a family event and a family night. So
I gave you that one, yes, Emma. Emma.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Jake asked what skill or talent do you wish you had?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Oh, I wish that I could sing. I wish I
could sing like a Dina Menzel. I wish I could
be Broadway caliber vocal like just like I've always loved singing,
I loved I love Broadway musicals, but I've never had
the talent to ever back up being able to even
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consider doing that for a living. So that would for
sure be what I would want to do.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It goes different way, It depends on what Okay. At
this stage, I will say because like earlier points of
my life, when I was younger, I wish I was
a little bit taller. I wish it was a ball though, right,
I mean I wish I was I had that skill set.
The older I get out what I am. I wish
I could play the piano. I really wish I could
play the piano.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
We could go on the road if I could sing
and you could play the piano.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Wow, that's gonna be a windy road some backstreets there.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Both can do it like a little bit. But because
I've heard you play the piano and you're you're I.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Play one thing, but I literally play one.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Thing really sexy when you play piano.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Okay, it's it is the only thing I played just
because I love it. It's from a movie. In one scene,
I play a riff of Purple Rain by Prince that's
hot from his from the Purple Rain move. You remember
he went through all his dad stuff. I have his
dad shot himself. He's sitting at the piano and he
sits down and he plays this little beautiful riff of
Purple Rain. It might be one of the most beautiful
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short pieces of music I've ever heard. And I learned
to play that, and that's the only thing I can
play that's sexy.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, very much.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
So get out of here so I can play you
a tune. Well, I'll get back to you, Okay, I'm
gonna get back to you on that. You made a
good you made me think of something. I'll get back
to you.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
But yes, next question, all right, Greta asks, are either
of you jealous?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Follow up?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Who is more jealous?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Jealous? Like of each other? Or what do you think
you mean?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Or of just other people? Probably just jealousy creeping into
our relationship. I will say this, we have not been
a part very often for me to get jealous, I
think anytime. That is really a true statement.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
No, I think about me going out with the boys.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
So you went out with the boys the other night,
and I remember I did ask like who are you with?
And then you weren't answering who you were with, and
I did feel a flicker of jealousy, like are there
girls there? Well, I just didn't know. I was like,
you said you were hanging out with the boys. I
was like, but are there girls there? And why isn't
he telling me who's with them? And if there are
girls there, why am I not there? And so I
did feel a little flicker of jeb.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
You should never feel that way. No, no, no, no no
no no, I am sorry. So you can finish that,
but I don't want you to know.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, and so, but we have not really well, first
of all, I think we just we trust in our
relationship and we trust each other. That's that's it. But
I it was a small little flicker. But I we
just aren't a part for that to have ever actually
been a thing that we've had to deal with.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So then that means maybe you would be maybe jealous.
You just haven't been challenged in that way.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I will say that I have always considered myself to
not be a jealous person, to trust in what I
uniquely bring to a relationship, and also trust that you specifically,
I think you can't just say that in general has
to be the person you're with. I think I can
be and not be a jealous person. I could be
put in a situation word than I would maybe feel jealous.
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But if you're with the right person, I don't. I
hope that you that you wouldn't feel that way.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
You don't, you don't have any I am so sorry
about the other night because you asked to follow up
and I'm like, what is she talking about? You said
I was being KOI yeah, I'm like, what are you
talking about? I'm just with Charles and seb and yeah,
and we did go to a party. There were right,
well tons of women around, but there weren't they weren't with.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Us, right right, fair, Have you ever felt jealous?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
You know what? I have a it's probably ego, Like
I have too much of an ego to get jealous
about somebody else, Like I won't allow myself to do it.
That's I think that's ego. That makes sense. It's stupid,
like I am above that, and I will I'm too that.
It's sounds kind of weird in that way, but I
just I just trust and I don't worry. I get
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jealous that when she said it, one of the first
things came to my mind where that sometimes this is
not what they probably meant. I get jealous of you.
I get jealous of you, you and your some of
your life experience putting you in a mindset that you
don't have to worry about some of the same shit
I worry about. Yeah, And so I'm like, Wow, she
doesn't have to She not even doesn't even care that.
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She just blew right past that cop, Like she doesn't
even care that this like those little experiences in life
where I am having to be on edge or where
I am having to feel like I gotta try a
little harder or I have to put a little more
effort in. Is all this thing to Worr. Wow, she
doesn't have to worry about that. So I say, I'm
jealous of you, but I'm jealous of a lot of
people in that regard, in that experience that I see
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differently because I'm next to you all the time. That's
the first thing that came to moment that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
All right, Next question, who is a person you would
switch places with for a day?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And why?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
All right, man, believe I'm about staff.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Okay, go for it.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Damn man, Oh you know what? Fuck it? I used
to for a long time with say I would.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I love that. This is hard for you.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Well, it's hard because of some recent headlines. And Justin Timberlake,
really Justin Timberlake is a wildly talented He's still a
young guy, but he's a family guy. He's always seemed
like he's having fun. He's had this good energy, singing
and dance, all these he can act, but he was
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someone I always just looked from afar. I'm like, wow,
he's not a good time. That looks fun. I like
that and I would love to have that talent that
he has, but he always with someone I looked at.
The first thing came to mind, But obviously some of
the reason headlines. That's why I hesitated it.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It can all still be true, right, I mean, yes,
I hear you. I would I would say I would
love to trade places. I brought this person up a lot,
but I've always looked up to her, and so I'd
love to live a day in her life, especially at
the age she's at, with the experience she's lived. Miss Goldiehan,
I us think she is somebody who embraces life, and
she doesn't like she dances like nobody's watching. She laughs
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with this just joyful energy. She's funny, she has a
beautiful family, and it's not conventional, and I just I
would love to spend a day in her life. I've
always been in offer.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
You know, the crazy thing you said, you want a
day in her life, But it almost sounds like you
want to live your life the way she has lived hers,
which I don't think you're necessarily that far off from
its Sorry, is that kind of sounds I know you admire,
but so much of what she does are the things
I think you try to do and are doing a
great degree.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
So thank you. And I think you have moves like
JT None dance.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Before Okay, I'm telling myself a little short. Maybe he's
got good moves, but I can.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
He can dance.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I'm I like dancing.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Okay, Sam asks, are there any topics you will never
talk about on your podcast?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yes, the answer is yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I mean, that's a bunch of stuff. Probably. I mean,
I won't don't want to get outlandish, but there's some
things that we talk about us and what's going on
at home to a certain degree, but I think there
are some details and some intimate things. I think you
can go too far and discussing for anybody else, that's fine,
But as far as other topics, we don't want to.
(12:23):
We'll talk to a politician, but we are not going
to give our opinion about politics, but we're trying to.
I think other than that, and there won't talk about.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
There are certain I think privacy issues for other people
who are in our lives. We would never be disrespectful
of anyone else's privacy. So yeah, there are just certain
people who we are close to or who we were
once close to, who we will not discuss for a
myriad of reasons. But I just think a lot most
of it is respect.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Absolutely all right. Next question is in lieu of what
you are training for. But Francis, ah, what is your
goal marathon time?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Ha ha ha. I mean I've always had a goal
to have a sub four and I have yet to
achieve it. And it was funny as I was struggling
on my run the other day, I thought to myself,
it's okay if you don't, and I think that's where
I am right now. Yes, I would love to hit
a three fifty nine, but if I never do better
than four fourteen, I am so okay with that. So
(13:23):
I just it's aspirational, but it's not something that I
at this stage of my life, am going to push
myself past comfort, like extreme discomfort, because running a marathon
is not comfortable. But I don't want to push myself
to the point where I feel like somehow I failed
or I fell short if I don't get a certain time.
I think when I was younger, if I had started
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running marathons earlier, I would have been a lot more
competitive with myself, and now I'm more about giving myself
a break.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
My goal is if I'm running one with Robes, is
to always finish one second after she does, and that
really is we run, we do all this training together,
we're going to run the marathon together. So I go
with whatever pace that is always so Chicago, I want
my time to be one second after hers and cross
right next to and right behind her, and that's it.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
How about New York?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
How about New York? You know what? Should I say
it out loud? Three forty five? How about that nice
three forty five marathon?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Cool?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
So I should probably not say that out loud.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
No runner ever wants to say what their what their
goal time is. They just don't. But we all kind
of have one in our.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I certainly a sub for But if I could get
closer to three forty five, I would go crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Well you can take that as a form of manifestation,
saying it out loud. It is the way you're going
to see it. See across the line and see that number.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Look at him. She's been listening to some of the
wisdom of our guests.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
So Meliss asks, what is the story behind Amy's promised necklace?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Melissa asked that question? Is that right, Melissa? A man?
Your business?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
No? No?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
When this is us? For? When is that where they
say what you won't talk about? At what points do
some very intimate things, details nuggets such as that become
things we are comfortable talking about in a public space.
I don't know, do you think that time is now
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on that particular thing, given there's.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
History there, Yes, I would leave that to you.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
No, no, no, we're in this together or haven't you heard?
We're in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
We're in a relationship, so this is a partnership. I
think we've chosen up until now not to go into
the details, and so when we want to, we will,
and we might one day, but now is not the time.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So apologies to Melissa there on that question. That is
one of those. And again maybe when we talk about
like ah I saw it was. But for the time being,
there are a few things that are incredibly sacred between
me and Robes that I don't think we will let
anybody in on. Maybe ever, and right now the necklace
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might be one of them.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Next question, Alta asks why did Amy spend a night
in prison? Storytime Police.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I had a feeling this would come off at some point.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
We discussed this after it came up briefly when we
were talking to Tiffany Hattish, we discussed that, Oh, I
thought you had told that story before, and we wondered
if we should later, if we just do you let
it go? But here you are and this is your call, Robes,
and again we can edit this out later.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, it's fine. I mean, I'll tell it and I'll
decide if we want to er it. How about that.
I'll tell it succinctly. I was a few months away
from being twenty one.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I'm going to give commentary throughout, so okay, because I've
hear this story about it.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
So there's a couple of things. So I was twenty
years old summer right before my junior year in college,
and twenty February, so it was it was like six
months before my birthday. It was like August, and then
I was going to be twenty one in February. And
important detail, people, yes, very important. And I had not
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gotten a car. I was driving the bus to and
from work. And so I had gotten a job, and
my parents and I negotiated that I was going to
finally get my first car and to go back and
forth to my job in Athens, Georgia. And my dad
insisted that I get a stick shift because he wanted
me to learn how to drive a stick no matter
where I was in the world. I'd always be able
to drive somewhere, and so it was my second night,
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I think my second night I had the car. I
didn't drive my stick shift very well, but I was
so excited to drive this car that I told my girlfriends,
I'll drive to the Lambdacai party. So it was, I
think a Saturday night, and I I had had I believe,
two three beers early in the night. Now it's like
two o'clock in the morning. I had stopped drinking for
several hours, and all of my friends decided that they
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had found someone that was mister right now. I did
not partake in that. I think I believe I was
dating someone at the time. So I decided to drive
home by myself in my stick shift car at two am.
It was about less than a mile, but as you
can might imagine, it might have looked like I was intoxicated.
I got pulled over it because I was driving a
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stick shift for the second day of my life and
it was jerky and wait a minute, absolutely true, and
so I was driving. It was so dumb of me,
I'm gonna drive a car.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
You never told me this story. I didn't You're telling
me that you got pulled over because you were a
shaky stick shift driver.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Correct time correct. I got pulled over in the parking
lot of my apartment could look like correct too, So
I had a field sobriety test. They called in a breathalyzer.
I blew a zero point zero. But here in lies
the rub I told the police officer that I was
twenty one, so I did not tell the truth. I
told him I didn't have my driver's license on me
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because the driver's license I had was the one that
my well, I won't say who helped me change the
seventy three to a seventy to make it look like
I That was my version of a fake ID, and
I didn't want him. I obviously didn't want him see
the fake ID. So he said he would let me
go if I could prove that I lived in the
apartment complex. So I opened up my wallet to show
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him my apartment and he saw the ID. He goes,
there's your driver's license. I was like, oh, wow, look
at that, and so I handed it to him because
I had to. And he looked at it and he
obviously knew, and he said, I'm gonna take this with me.
I said, okay, you do that, Thanks bye, and I
went on my way. Two weeks later, I was going
to a dental appointment at my parents' house in Gwennett County, Georgia,
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and I came back and there was a sheriff's deputy
in my driveway waiting for me. And bottom line, the
cop two weeks later, I think they didn't have enough
arrest you know, they had these quotas, these things at
the end of the month they have to fill. And
they went back and looked at all the police reports
and thought, ah, how we can arrest her for tampering
a government id and minor in possession because I admitted
to the police officer that I had had two beers
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earlier in the night, so anyway I had to. They
actually put me in jail in Gwinnet County and then
Athens Clark County to prove that they had a quota issue,
decided to extradite me, so I had to stay in
prison in Gwinnett County for hours. Then an officer from
Athens Clark County came took my shoelaces. I got handcuffed
and shackled put into the back of a police car.
And then put into another holding cell, and so I
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spent nine hours behind bars before my mom was able
to actually bail me out. I got credit for time served.
Upon sentencing, I pleaded nolo. I don't have her. I
don't have a conviction, but I do have an arrest record.
There's the long story and a very important lesson learned.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
It's a really long story.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Sorry anyway, Wow, I was extradited, credit for time served
and two prison cells. Oh not prison jail cells.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
You know what. There was a lot of issues I
took with that story because you took some liberties that
you've never taken before. Really, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
My parents come back at all?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Up, Well they aren't. They aren't here, are they?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
But we can call them? You want to do that now, Okay,
I don't need a lifeline.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Ben asks, what does your family think about the podcast?
Are they, especially your daughters listening?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Mine isn't no family. I just not how my family rolls. Robes.
You you hear from somebody every single episode we put up,
and I don't hear anything unless I ask. So they're just, uh,
they're just different. And I guess my folks are used
to a little old school. They used to just hidden
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a button on the remote and turn on the TV
and there he is. Now that takes a little more
work to maybe pick up the phone and find this
and that that.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
But not my you're dud said he was listening to
the podcast. He was absolutely into it. They listened, I'm
sure to every episode.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, but they never tell me they do. We were
talking to him and it came up randomly on the
phone or something that because I was surprised. I was like,
I didn't even know you listened.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
But they are huge supporters and they listen. My parents
and my oh my mom is one of nine, my
dad's one of six, so I get, as TJ pointed out,
a text from an aunt or a cousin or a
family member almost after every podcast, and I really appreciate it.
And my daughters listen. I don't think they listen to
every episode, but they they listen, and they did I
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think early on all the time, but now it's like, yeah, okay,
three a week is a lot to keep up with.
So but they they listen if I tell them, hey,
you should really really listen to this episode. But yeah,
we have support.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
What episodes have you told them to listen.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
To well, oh, like with Ava, if it's something like,
you know an artist coming up, Like I told her
to listen to Rachel Platten because there's a person who
she might want to learn from in terms of how
she made it into the music business, how she made
it and had to scrap and fight and build her
way up into the industry. So I've just told her
a couple of times, like, Hey, I think you could
get some nuggets from this person. You should listen to
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this podcast. I love that awesome.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Michelle asks what has been the biggest challenge.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
About the podcast.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Workflow for us? We know how to broadcast, you can
give us notes, give us an interview subject, give us research.
We can do all that stuff. But I guess trying
to We're in a position now as executive producers of
something to come up with ideas and make sure we
put plans in place and make sure we have the
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structure and the rundown. And it's just more of we don't.
It's not just amount of not having the help. This
is just a new muscle and a new industry almost
we're having to learn. So that for us, and a
lot of that we have we have learned a lot,
and it feels so much better and different, good to
sit here. But that was a learning.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Curve for us, Yeah, for sure. I mean, when we
were in broadcasting, we always worked together, so we knew
we could do that well. But we were directed as
to what to do and who said what when, and
so we were kind of following instructions, and we had
took licenses in liberties creatively, but we were under a
very specific structure. So this has been a huge learning
curve to have kind of anything and everything be a possibility.
(24:24):
Who does what, who takes on what role, who writes this,
who comes up with ideas. It's just we've had to
It's been a little bit of a struggle in some moments,
but I think we've We're in a really good place now,
in a really good flow right now, so we're feeling
good about it. But yeah, the first few months were tough.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
You set me up for my next question from Devin.
How has your relationship with how the public perceives you
changed from your first podcast episode to recording now?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Okay, well, it's easy to say this. I've always tried
to live by it. I know you have too. If
you believe the good things people say about you, then
you have to believe the bad. You can't just pick
and choose. I mean, it's like you can't get swept up.
I guess in whatever people are saying about you, you
have to know who you are and where you're coming
from and what your intent is. However, I will say,
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as a human being the other day, we try not
to read the comments. But I think you were there
when Avan and Anna were kind of yelling like, hey, mom,
have you seen the comments lately? They're really good, Like
people are really supporting you guys. And so, in a
weird way, for me, knowing that my daughters see the
support for us makes me feel good that they feel.
It's a hard thing for a for anyone who loves someone,
(25:36):
but especially maybe a child to a parent, to see
someone who they thought was up on a pedestal, who
people like to suddenly be considered the opposite, like a
pariah or whatever. So I actually I felt good knowing
that they were seeing positive comments and support, and that
made me feel good as a human being. I mean,
I wish I could say I didn't I wasn't affected
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by any of that, but for sure I do feel
a more positive warm feeling when I think about hopefully
what most people, or hopefully at least some people think
of us.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
So do you think it made a difference as well?
When we start getting out more and actually interacting with
more people and you're just not sitting behind a damn
door with your phone, and oftentimes the folks who are
throwing a lobbing things at you, you know, and social
media and things, aren't the folks who are trying to
send a positive message. So I think once we started
(26:30):
getting out and interacting and seeing not friends, we saw friends,
but just members of the general public. And how yes,
it's not everybody hates you, not everybody thinks the worst
of you. And also I think once the story right
once since our first podcast is slowly but surely people
are getting more of an idea of what actually happened
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with us, which is not what they were told when
everything went down. I think once people understand and the
story a little more, it's making a huge difference as well.
So the yeah, it's shifted a lot since the very beginning.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Abby asks what is your biggest ick about each other?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Mine is really simple, I've told you this, and I'm
not just saying like I just like watching you. That
sounds creepy, but I like almost everything about you, even
the things that just make you uniquely you. The one
thing you do that drives me crazy is you pop
your right elbow. It and you do it multiple times
(27:43):
a day. But I can live with that. It's okay,
But I can't really think of anything else. Oh oh oh,
you just like to sleep diagonally across the bed. That's tough.
That's it. I'm done.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
That's all you get. Yeah, I think there's probably more.
That's all you get.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
That's all I can think of right now.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Okay, So to answer this, I am going to defend
myself against your too wild accusations. The elbow, it's an
I don't think it was an injury, but it was
a habit. Like anybody else's. Something gets tight and you
pop it like a knuckle. It's my elbow gets tight
and I do. But you have told me you didn't
like it, and I have tried to not do it
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as much. I still do it in front of you.
I know I do, but I have I am aware
of it, and I'm conscious of it. Two sleeping across
the bed. I think anybody here who's listened to the
podcast knows that TJ likes to sleep with the TV on.
The TV's always on, so if the TV is at
the foot of the bed that direction, if I'm watching TV,
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I can put myself in a sleeping position that to
watch TV, all I have to do is open my eyes.
I don't want to go to sleep, just close the eyes.
Don't have to change position at all. I'm not on
my back. I'm not not. If you're at that angle,
perfect viewing, perfect sleeping, Why that doesn't make sense to you?
I will never.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Understand because it doesn't really give me any room to sleep.
That's the problem. Sometimes I put my legs over your
body because I'm sleeping the way most people sleep, which
is lengthwise.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
You always get more sleep than I do. That's true,
you sleep more soundly and longer. Your problem is, no,
I get what you're saying. I sleep like that all
the time when you're I'm not in a bed with you.
When I am in the bed with you, then I
know better yes than to do that. But it's funny
when you come out of the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
So he does it on purpose. I comment, I'm like, really,
and he's completely like taking up the whole bed. That's
just and then it's like he's dead weight and can't move.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
That's just to be funny, you know, I said this,
I'm gonna kind of I kind of want to take
a high a high road approach to this, but it's
too it's too convenient. Maybe they brought this up not
too long ago, this idea of that you're ick about somebody.
I hated the idea of trying to find something I
didn't like about you, like to intentionally look at you
(30:04):
and say, hmm, let me figure. It's just to put
myself in that mindset. I got annoyed when I was
trying to do it previous and somebody had asked me.
So I was like, well, I participate in that exercise,
but if I'm being honest, please do please do I
an ick, an ick, I don't know what What do
I complain about with you? What do I say, babe?
(30:25):
Why are you doing that? What do I do?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
This isn't what do I say? Oh, chewing? I bought
my gum. I bought my gum. Yeah, And that's annoying.
And then the interrupting I am I'm not excusing because
it's rude, rude, rude. But I didn't realize how rude
it was because I was just so enthusiastic first of
all to say something, but also I was afraid that
I'd forget it in three seconds if I didn't say it.
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That's my worst habit, Like my brain does not retain.
If I have an idea, but I don't say it
right away, it's gone. But it's rude, and I hopefully
have gotten better.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Okay, but I was thinking more of yes, and what
you're talking about there, that's a habit you can change,
versus I don't know that I'm looking at as there's
something about you, an ick about you. I don't know
if there's a I don't know. Maybe you know, as
soon as we're gonna leave here, I'm.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Going, wow, yeah, he's gonna he's gonna have a listing.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I don't have an ick that I have. The chewing
that not even the snoring.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Oh yeah I do, I do.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Store you're a snorer, yeah, big times.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Didn't realize that.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, people snore normal function.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, not a big deal.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
You know. There was a trend on TikTok actually for
the friend that interrupts any sort of silence and they
just want to chat with their friend. Was to give
them a notepad and to write down all of their questions, comments, ideas,
and then present the notepad after.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Smart You think you can do that? Yeah, I know
you can't. You know the sounds offensive we talk about
you're not a you can't do two things at once.
You don't excel at doing that. Like I mean something
as simple as we could be in the middle of
a conversation while we're getting ready to go run and
you can't put your shoes on and talk to me
(32:12):
at the same time, and I say, baby, stop talking,
put the shoes on so we can go. Yeah, and
if you put the shoes on, the conversation stops.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
It's I need to focus.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah you do, but you will focus on that one thing.
But when you do multiples. He gets drink.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Sophie asks, who are each of your role models, alive
or dead?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I can name one of them for me. Diane Sawyer.
I have always marveled at her ability to do her
job and to do it with such grace. She has
been and was such a beautiful mentor to me. The
moment I met her, I could barely even speak in
her presence because I had been watching her and studying
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her the moment I knew I wanted to be a journalist.
But she's just a beautiful mind and just a smart woman,
a smart woman who I have just always wanted to
emulate in my career and definitely has been a role
model in my life.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I will go with Andrew Young, Ambassador Andrew Young from Atlanta,
who is the first African American that served as UN
Ambassador under Clinton, former mayor of Atlanta. But he was
someone I just in my time in living in Atlanta
(33:36):
and working down there at CNN, I got to know
and got to travel with and got to just sit
I know, I know it the hell out of him
a lot, but I got access to him at times
and I would just sit like a kid, just trying
to learn and take in every bit of information he had.
And he's one of the most incredible deal makers and
I am able to put people together in the way
that I've never ever seen before. His life, his legacy,
(33:58):
his resume for itself. But he is someone I was
just always in awe of an amazed by, going from
right marching with Martin Luther King to UN ambassadors, mayor
and Congress all these things he's done, just that. Dude's incredible,
So he would be my guy.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Charlotte asks, if living in New York was no longer
an option, where.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Would the two of you live one?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
You know it already Atlanta, right? Is that what you
would say?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I like one, I was looking.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
For a tax free state. I mean, Georgia is a
place that we both know and love, and that would
probably be the place I would think we would do
well in. But I also I could I could live.
This sounds so cheesy, but I could live almost anywhere
as long as I was with TJ. Like, it really
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wouldn't matter that much.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I think maybe I'm with you there. Atlanta would have
to be our My folks are Memphis, yours are right
outside of Atlanta. It would just makes sense for us.
I was thinking trying to think of a fun town,
like it wasn't a family situation. Where could we be
where we want to be?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
New Orleans, Miami. I haven't loved Nashville. I mean, there's
a lot of places I could live, But I've noticed
I've just said everything in the South.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
We just said every place I like to visit. I've
never thought about making any of those places home, true, right,
I love going to those spots. But yeah, Atlanta is
just such a home. Memphis is home even internationally for us.
I think London we'd probably be in our top three
places if we were considering.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
We could live in London and really really excel.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Wow. Oh Lane asks what are your favorite quotes or
phrases you live by?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Oh, I have a list.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I don't have a list. Some stuff I could reel off.
Don't let perfect get in the way of good money
is what people without talent used to keep score Bible Verse.
Do not fret because of evil doers, nor be envious
of the workers of inequity, where they say'll soon be
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cut down like the grass and weather as the green herb.
I like that one.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I got few. If you want, keep going, keep going off,
keep going. I'm impressed this dude can memory Like your
brain is the opposite of mine. You retain everything, and
it's remarkable. I'm in awe that you can just spout
these off. I again, have just pulled up my Apple
notes list so I can read off of mine. But
please continue.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
This is the first thing to kind of come to mind.
You know, I'm a big Colts guy. So yeah, I'm
not even sure what I just reeled off.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I'm sorry. Well, if you could, I didn't want to.
I did interrupt you, That's what I just did. Uh,
my apologies. I have anything that's happening to you is
actually happening for you. That's one of my favorites. Comparison
is the thief of joy. I love when what you
appreciate appreciates It is not about belongings, it's about belonging.
(37:01):
Those are some of the things I love and then
don't be invested in outcomes. I think that's been a
huge part for me. And instead of being defensive, be defenseless.
That's a really tough one for me. But I try
to remind myself of that, usually after the fact, maybe
not when I'm in the middle of it. And you
(37:23):
know what I told you about this, Michael Strahan, I wrote,
I write down quotes when I see them that helped
me live better or just remind me of where I
want to place my focus. But Michael Strahan on this
set of Good Morning America said this to me one
day and I wrote it down, so I have to
give it to him. You can't complain about something you're
not trying to fix and I love that.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Okay, you know, I got ton I was still taking
notes on them, but I got quotes forever, So I'll
leave it at the one thigh.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I was just listening to Kevin from the office and
he recited the last line from the final season and
he said, there's beauty and ordinary things.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I love that I do too.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Okay. Last question is from Kristen. She asks who is
someone you would love to interview on this podcast and why.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Jennifer Lopez. Why? Because I think that lady needs a
break and a safe somewhere to express ourselfs don't even
me wrong. I'm sure there's the other places she could
do that and find some sincerity, but there was just
(38:39):
so much going on that I almost feel like giving
her in particular. But the two of them like just
a hug, just a big old hug. So I would
love to get those two in here, and not for
the sake of you know what. I would like to
talk to them and we never have to air the episode.
I would like to get in a room with them
and just say, Hi, guys, how you doing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I mean, so many people, just if they're in a
safe space, actually have so much wisdom based on what
they've experienced that they probably will never feel free or
safe to share. So yeah, I would love that too.
I would love I would love to interview Will Smith.
I had just finished reading his book when I think
(39:23):
it was maybe a couple months before the Oscars the
slab heard around around the world happened, and I would
just I would love to see he had so much
wisdom in all the life he had lived that he
put into his book that I listened to training for
my first marathon. I actually listened to the audiobook of it.
It's a great book. But given what happened since that
(39:44):
and where he is now, I would I would love
to talk to him.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
You've read the book and all that. That was the
last time I talked to him. Wow was the interview
we did in Philadelphia. He was promoting that book, And yeah,
I wonder what we just saw Bad Boys for We
did not too long ago. So many he's back out there.
That movie did well, so who knows what's coming, But
just for people who've experienced and gone through something to
(40:10):
that level. And I get what you're saying there.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Alec Baldwin and Hilaria, like we I would love to
talk to them too. I think, you know, we're so
quick to judge and just people who've had to go
through it, who are looking for maybe that second, third,
fourth chance that I think hopefully most of us deserve.
So I just love really getting to understand not only
(40:33):
what people have been through, but what they've learned from it,
Hey, there are folks in this episode. We have no
idea what we're about to say because we have no
idea what you are about to ask. And with that,
welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Road. It's
been a while. It was one of our favorite things
early on, but we haven't done it again.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Take questions, that's right, and so we had our producers
reach out on social media to ask you all what
you wanted to know from us. We have zero clue
what the questions are, but we're excited to do our
best to answer that.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Were there any rules there that count? I don't think
we said heyd put this, don't do that. We kind
of left it all in our producer's hands.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's correct. We actually gave them no stipulation so they
can and well they is. Emma, who is sitting right
across from us, has the list of questions and she
is she's not going to be on the hot seat.
She's the most nervous of the three of us right now,
which is so funny.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
We all we prepare, We do a lot of reading,
research and getting in questions. I'm so too for this episode.
I'm not nervous about what's going to be at we
This is one we don't have to prepare for. We
know the answers, don't we. Baby.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
We tell this to people all the time that we interview.
We're not gonna ask you a trick question. Anything we
ask you, you are going to know because it's going
to be about you. So the same rules apply right
back at us. And I'm totally chill.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Now now that we set it up that way, she's
gonna hit us or something we don't know at the top.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And we're like, wait, what now, we weren't expecting that. Huh.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
So all right, Emma said you all. If you anybody
who listen to our podcast, you know the name Emma.
She hangs out with us in here all the time
and helps us. She's one of our superstar producers. But
she's got the questions today. So Emma, you take it away,
kind ma'am. Let's start all right.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
First question, Rosie asks if your life were a movie,
what scene would you watch over and over again.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Oh that's a really good question.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Damn, I got my answer.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Okay, go ahead, so I can think of mine.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh it's not a positive. Necessarily, there was a fight
we were in Okay, there was a fight we were in.
You were and really upset and you stormed out and
then you came back. You actually left, You slammed the door,
left where we were, Uh yes, calling mister Papa there.
(02:16):
But we got into a fight. That was I believe
a turning point for our relationship because we learned what
we were willing to sacrifice, what we were willing to do,
and we learned that we were not willing to let
this go and to fight for this relationship. That is
(02:36):
a scene. It would be, Oh, it would. It would
be played over and over. It was like notebook equivalent
type of a scene. Okay, it was that kind of intense.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That's the one I would play with there, I I
can totally get that. And I think for me, the
one I would play over and over again was for me,
the night that I knew that we were going to
be okay and that we were going to make it,
because neither one of us were going to be okay
if our kids weren't. And it was right after New
(03:07):
Year's we had we called it fight night, and it
was your idea and I don't even know who was fighting,
but we got the package on whatever pay per view
and Sabine, Ava, Annalise and some friends all gathered in
that room and you cooked and we all watched and
everybody it felt safe, It felt it felt joyful for
(03:29):
the first time in a long time, and I knew
we have just built you know, We've worked really hard,
We've taken our time, and now we're going to be
able to build on this. And I saw our life together.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
How long ago was it the most recent?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Oh for me.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
For me, that was in January of twenty twenty four.
You know, I think for me when that night happened
and I saw how beautiful and natural it felt. It
wasn't perfect, but it was a place to start from
where I felt like I could see us, you know,
with the grandkids, and I could see us in the
backyard grilling and all of our girls are there together,
and I felt that joy and I could rewatch that
(04:06):
night because that was where things for me I felt.
I felt this new confidence that we were going to
get through all of this stuff that had been so
hard for us and for our daughters, that we were
gonna we were gonna be able to build something.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I was trying to remember the fight night that I
think with Deontay Wilde. It was like a dual car.
It started earlier because it was over Okay, and we
had everybody. That was a long, fun, crazy day. The
girls and friends were in and it just felt like
it was a family event and a family night. So
I gave you that one, yes, Emma. Emma.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Jake asked what skill or talent do you wish you had?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Oh, I wish that I could sing. I wish I
could sing like a Dina Menzel. I wish I could
be Broadway caliber vocal like just like I've always loved singing,
I loved I love Broadway musicals, but I've never had
the talent to ever back up being able to even
(05:07):
consider doing that for a living. So that would for
sure be what I would want to do.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It goes different way, It depends on what Okay. At
this stage, I will say because like earlier points of
my life, when I was younger, I wish I was
a little bit taller. I wish it was a ball though, right,
I mean I wish I was I had that skill set.
The older I get out what I am. I wish
I could play the piano. I really wish I could
play the piano.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
We could go on the road if I could sing
and you could play the piano.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Wow, that's gonna be a windy road some backstreets there.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Both can do it like a little bit. But because
I've heard you play the piano and you're you're I.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Play one thing, but I literally play one.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Thing really sexy when you play piano.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Okay, it's it is the only thing I played just
because I love it. It's from a movie. In one scene,
I play a riff of Purple Rain by Prince that's
hot from his from the Purple Rain move. You remember
he went through all his dad stuff. I have his
dad shot himself. He's sitting at the piano and he
sits down and he plays this little beautiful riff of
Purple Rain. It might be one of the most beautiful
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short pieces of music I've ever heard. And I learned
to play that, and that's the only thing I can
play that's sexy.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, very much.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
So get out of here so I can play you
a tune. Well, I'll get back to you, Okay, I'm
gonna get back to you on that. You made a
good you made me think of something. I'll get back
to you.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
But yes, next question, all right, Greta asks, are either
of you jealous?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Follow up?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Who is more jealous?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Jealous? Like of each other? Or what do you think
you mean?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Or of just other people? Probably just jealousy creeping into
our relationship. I will say this, we have not been
a part very often for me to get jealous, I
think anytime. That is really a true statement.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
No, I think about me going out with the boys.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
So you went out with the boys the other night,
and I remember I did ask like who are you with?
And then you weren't answering who you were with, and
I did feel a flicker of jealousy, like are there
girls there? Well, I just didn't know. I was like,
you said you were hanging out with the boys. I
was like, but are there girls there? And why isn't
he telling me who's with them? And if there are
girls there, why am I not there? And so I
did feel a little flicker of jeb.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
You should never feel that way. No, no, no, no no
no no, I am sorry. So you can finish that,
but I don't want you to know.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, and so, but we have not really well, first
of all, I think we just we trust in our
relationship and we trust each other. That's that's it. But
I it was a small little flicker. But I we
just aren't a part for that to have ever actually
been a thing that we've had to deal with.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So then that means maybe you would be maybe jealous.
You just haven't been challenged in that way.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I will say that I have always considered myself to
not be a jealous person, to trust in what I
uniquely bring to a relationship, and also trust that you specifically,
I think you can't just say that in general has
to be the person you're with. I think I can
be and not be a jealous person. I could be
put in a situation word than I would maybe feel jealous.
(07:58):
But if you're with the right person, I don't. I
hope that you that you wouldn't feel that way.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
You don't, you don't have any I am so sorry
about the other night because you asked to follow up
and I'm like, what is she talking about? You said
I was being KOI yeah, I'm like, what are you
talking about? I'm just with Charles and seb and yeah,
and we did go to a party. There were right,
well tons of women around, but there weren't they weren't with.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Us, right right, fair, Have you ever felt jealous?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
You know what? I have a it's probably ego, Like
I have too much of an ego to get jealous
about somebody else, Like I won't allow myself to do it.
That's I think that's ego. That makes sense. It's stupid,
like I am above that, and I will I'm too that.
It's sounds kind of weird in that way, but I
just I just trust and I don't worry. I get
(08:50):
jealous that when she said it, one of the first
things came to my mind where that sometimes this is
not what they probably meant. I get jealous of you.
I get jealous of you, you and your some of
your life experience putting you in a mindset that you
don't have to worry about some of the same shit
I worry about. Yeah, And so I'm like, Wow, she
doesn't have to She not even doesn't even care that.
(09:13):
She just blew right past that cop, Like she doesn't
even care that this like those little experiences in life
where I am having to be on edge or where
I am having to feel like I gotta try a
little harder or I have to put a little more
effort in. Is all this thing to Worr. Wow, she
doesn't have to worry about that. So I say, I'm
jealous of you, but I'm jealous of a lot of
people in that regard, in that experience that I see
(09:35):
differently because I'm next to you all the time. That's
the first thing that came to moment that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
All right, Next question, who is a person you would
switch places with for a day?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And why?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
All right, man, believe I'm about staff.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Okay, go for it.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Damn man, Oh you know what? Fuck it? I used
to for a long time with say I would.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I love that. This is hard for you.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Well, it's hard because of some recent headlines. And Justin Timberlake,
really Justin Timberlake is a wildly talented He's still a
young guy, but he's a family guy. He's always seemed
like he's having fun. He's had this good energy, singing
and dance, all these he can act, but he was
(10:26):
someone I always just looked from afar. I'm like, wow,
he's not a good time. That looks fun. I like
that and I would love to have that talent that
he has, but he always with someone I looked at.
The first thing came to mind, But obviously some of
the reason headlines. That's why I hesitated it.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It can all still be true, right, I mean, yes,
I hear you. I would I would say I would
love to trade places. I brought this person up a lot,
but I've always looked up to her, and so I'd
love to live a day in her life, especially at
the age she's at, with the experience she's lived. Miss Goldiehan,
I us think she is somebody who embraces life, and
she doesn't like she dances like nobody's watching. She laughs
(11:06):
with this just joyful energy. She's funny, she has a
beautiful family, and it's not conventional, and I just I
would love to spend a day in her life. I've
always been in offer.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
You know, the crazy thing you said, you want a
day in her life, But it almost sounds like you
want to live your life the way she has lived hers,
which I don't think you're necessarily that far off from
its Sorry, is that kind of sounds I know you admire,
but so much of what she does are the things
I think you try to do and are doing a
great degree.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
So thank you. And I think you have moves like
JT None dance.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Before Okay, I'm telling myself a little short. Maybe he's
got good moves, but I can.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
He can dance.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I'm I like dancing.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Okay, Sam asks, are there any topics you will never
talk about on your podcast?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yes, the answer is yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I mean, that's a bunch of stuff. Probably. I mean,
I won't don't want to get outlandish, but there's some
things that we talk about us and what's going on
at home to a certain degree, but I think there
are some details and some intimate things. I think you
can go too far and discussing for anybody else, that's fine,
But as far as other topics, we don't want to.
(12:23):
We'll talk to a politician, but we are not going
to give our opinion about politics, but we're trying to.
I think other than that, and there won't talk about.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
There are certain I think privacy issues for other people
who are in our lives. We would never be disrespectful
of anyone else's privacy. So yeah, there are just certain
people who we are close to or who we were
once close to, who we will not discuss for a
myriad of reasons. But I just think a lot most
of it is respect.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Absolutely all right. Next question is in lieu of what
you are training for. But Francis, ah, what is your
goal marathon time?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Ha ha ha. I mean I've always had a goal
to have a sub four and I have yet to
achieve it. And it was funny as I was struggling
on my run the other day, I thought to myself,
it's okay if you don't, and I think that's where
I am right now. Yes, I would love to hit
a three fifty nine, but if I never do better
than four fourteen, I am so okay with that. So
(13:23):
I just it's aspirational, but it's not something that I
at this stage of my life, am going to push
myself past comfort, like extreme discomfort, because running a marathon
is not comfortable. But I don't want to push myself
to the point where I feel like somehow I failed
or I fell short if I don't get a certain time.
I think when I was younger, if I had started
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running marathons earlier, I would have been a lot more
competitive with myself, and now I'm more about giving myself
a break.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
My goal is if I'm running one with Robes, is
to always finish one second after she does, and that
really is we run, we do all this training together,
we're going to run the marathon together. So I go
with whatever pace that is always so Chicago, I want
my time to be one second after hers and cross
right next to and right behind her, and that's it.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
How about New York?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
How about New York? You know what? Should I say
it out loud? Three forty five? How about that nice
three forty five marathon?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Cool?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
So I should probably not say that out loud.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
No runner ever wants to say what their what their
goal time is. They just don't. But we all kind
of have one in our.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I certainly a sub for But if I could get
closer to three forty five, I would go crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Well you can take that as a form of manifestation,
saying it out loud. It is the way you're going
to see it. See across the line and see that number.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Look at him. She's been listening to some of the
wisdom of our guests.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
So Meliss asks, what is the story behind Amy's promised necklace?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Melissa asked that question? Is that right, Melissa? A man?
Your business?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
No? No?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
When this is us? For? When is that where they
say what you won't talk about? At what points do
some very intimate things, details nuggets such as that become
things we are comfortable talking about in a public space.
I don't know, do you think that time is now
(15:33):
on that particular thing, given there's.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
History there, Yes, I would leave that to you.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
No, no, no, we're in this together or haven't you heard?
We're in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
We're in a relationship, so this is a partnership. I
think we've chosen up until now not to go into
the details, and so when we want to, we will,
and we might one day, but now is not the time.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So apologies to Melissa there on that question. That is
one of those. And again maybe when we talk about
like ah I saw it was. But for the time being,
there are a few things that are incredibly sacred between
me and Robes that I don't think we will let
anybody in on. Maybe ever, and right now the necklace
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might be one of them.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Next question, Alta asks why did Amy spend a night
in prison? Storytime Police.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I had a feeling this would come off at some point.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
We discussed this after it came up briefly when we
were talking to Tiffany Hattish, we discussed that, Oh, I
thought you had told that story before, and we wondered
if we should later, if we just do you let
it go? But here you are and this is your call, Robes,
and again we can edit this out later.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, it's fine. I mean, I'll tell it and I'll
decide if we want to er it. How about that.
I'll tell it succinctly. I was a few months away
from being twenty one.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I'm going to give commentary throughout, so okay, because I've
hear this story about it.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
So there's a couple of things. So I was twenty
years old summer right before my junior year in college,
and twenty February, so it was it was like six
months before my birthday. It was like August, and then
I was going to be twenty one in February. And
important detail, people, yes, very important. And I had not
(17:24):
gotten a car. I was driving the bus to and
from work. And so I had gotten a job, and
my parents and I negotiated that I was going to
finally get my first car and to go back and
forth to my job in Athens, Georgia. And my dad
insisted that I get a stick shift because he wanted
me to learn how to drive a stick no matter
where I was in the world. I'd always be able
to drive somewhere, and so it was my second night,
(17:47):
I think my second night I had the car. I
didn't drive my stick shift very well, but I was
so excited to drive this car that I told my girlfriends,
I'll drive to the Lambdacai party. So it was, I
think a Saturday night, and I I had had I believe,
two three beers early in the night. Now it's like
two o'clock in the morning. I had stopped drinking for
several hours, and all of my friends decided that they
(18:09):
had found someone that was mister right now. I did
not partake in that. I think I believe I was
dating someone at the time. So I decided to drive
home by myself in my stick shift car at two am.
It was about less than a mile, but as you
can might imagine, it might have looked like I was intoxicated.
I got pulled over it because I was driving a
(18:30):
stick shift for the second day of my life and
it was jerky and wait a minute, absolutely true, and
so I was driving. It was so dumb of me,
I'm gonna drive a car.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
You never told me this story. I didn't You're telling
me that you got pulled over because you were a
shaky stick shift driver.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Correct time correct. I got pulled over in the parking
lot of my apartment could look like correct too, So
I had a field sobriety test. They called in a breathalyzer.
I blew a zero point zero. But here in lies
the rub I told the police officer that I was
twenty one, so I did not tell the truth. I
told him I didn't have my driver's license on me
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because the driver's license I had was the one that
my well, I won't say who helped me change the
seventy three to a seventy to make it look like
I That was my version of a fake ID, and
I didn't want him. I obviously didn't want him see
the fake ID. So he said he would let me
go if I could prove that I lived in the
apartment complex. So I opened up my wallet to show
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him my apartment and he saw the ID. He goes,
there's your driver's license. I was like, oh, wow, look
at that, and so I handed it to him because
I had to. And he looked at it and he
obviously knew, and he said, I'm gonna take this with me.
I said, okay, you do that, Thanks bye, and I
went on my way. Two weeks later, I was going
to a dental appointment at my parents' house in Gwennett County, Georgia,
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and I came back and there was a sheriff's deputy
in my driveway waiting for me. And bottom line, the
cop two weeks later, I think they didn't have enough
arrest you know, they had these quotas, these things at
the end of the month they have to fill. And
they went back and looked at all the police reports
and thought, ah, how we can arrest her for tampering
a government id and minor in possession because I admitted
to the police officer that I had had two beers
(20:16):
earlier in the night, so anyway I had to. They
actually put me in jail in Gwinnet County and then
Athens Clark County to prove that they had a quota issue,
decided to extradite me, so I had to stay in
prison in Gwinnett County for hours. Then an officer from
Athens Clark County came took my shoelaces. I got handcuffed
and shackled put into the back of a police car.
And then put into another holding cell, and so I
(20:39):
spent nine hours behind bars before my mom was able
to actually bail me out. I got credit for time served.
Upon sentencing, I pleaded nolo. I don't have her. I
don't have a conviction, but I do have an arrest record.
There's the long story and a very important lesson learned.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
It's a really long story.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Sorry anyway, Wow, I was extradited, credit for time served
and two prison cells. Oh not prison jail cells.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
You know what. There was a lot of issues I
took with that story because you took some liberties that
you've never taken before. Really, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
My parents come back at all?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Up, Well they aren't. They aren't here, are they?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
But we can call them? You want to do that now, Okay,
I don't need a lifeline.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Ben asks, what does your family think about the podcast?
Are they, especially your daughters listening?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Mine isn't no family. I just not how my family rolls. Robes.
You you hear from somebody every single episode we put up,
and I don't hear anything unless I ask. So they're just, uh,
they're just different. And I guess my folks are used
to a little old school. They used to just hidden
(21:51):
a button on the remote and turn on the TV
and there he is. Now that takes a little more
work to maybe pick up the phone and find this
and that that.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
But not my you're dud said he was listening to
the podcast. He was absolutely into it. They listened, I'm
sure to every episode.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, but they never tell me they do. We were
talking to him and it came up randomly on the
phone or something that because I was surprised. I was like,
I didn't even know you listened.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
But they are huge supporters and they listen. My parents
and my oh my mom is one of nine, my
dad's one of six, so I get, as TJ pointed out,
a text from an aunt or a cousin or a
family member almost after every podcast, and I really appreciate it.
And my daughters listen. I don't think they listen to
every episode, but they they listen, and they did I
(22:35):
think early on all the time, but now it's like, yeah, okay,
three a week is a lot to keep up with.
So but they they listen if I tell them, hey,
you should really really listen to this episode. But yeah,
we have support.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
What episodes have you told them to listen.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
To well, oh, like with Ava, if it's something like,
you know an artist coming up, Like I told her
to listen to Rachel Platten because there's a person who
she might want to learn from in terms of how
she made it into the music business, how she made
it and had to scrap and fight and build her
way up into the industry. So I've just told her
a couple of times, like, Hey, I think you could
get some nuggets from this person. You should listen to
(23:11):
this podcast. I love that awesome.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Michelle asks what has been the biggest challenge.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
About the podcast.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Workflow for us? We know how to broadcast, you can
give us notes, give us an interview subject, give us research.
We can do all that stuff. But I guess trying
to We're in a position now as executive producers of
something to come up with ideas and make sure we
put plans in place and make sure we have the
(23:43):
structure and the rundown. And it's just more of we don't.
It's not just amount of not having the help. This
is just a new muscle and a new industry almost
we're having to learn. So that for us, and a
lot of that we have we have learned a lot,
and it feels so much better and different, good to
sit here. But that was a learning.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Curve for us, Yeah, for sure. I mean, when we
were in broadcasting, we always worked together, so we knew
we could do that well. But we were directed as
to what to do and who said what when, and
so we were kind of following instructions, and we had
took licenses in liberties creatively, but we were under a
very specific structure. So this has been a huge learning
curve to have kind of anything and everything be a possibility.
(24:24):
Who does what, who takes on what role, who writes this,
who comes up with ideas. It's just we've had to
It's been a little bit of a struggle in some moments,
but I think we've We're in a really good place now,
in a really good flow right now, so we're feeling
good about it. But yeah, the first few months were tough.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
You set me up for my next question from Devin.
How has your relationship with how the public perceives you
changed from your first podcast episode to recording now?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Okay, well, it's easy to say this. I've always tried
to live by it. I know you have too. If
you believe the good things people say about you, then
you have to believe the bad. You can't just pick
and choose. I mean, it's like you can't get swept up.
I guess in whatever people are saying about you, you
have to know who you are and where you're coming
from and what your intent is. However, I will say,
(25:14):
as a human being the other day, we try not
to read the comments. But I think you were there
when Avan and Anna were kind of yelling like, hey, mom,
have you seen the comments lately? They're really good, Like
people are really supporting you guys. And so, in a
weird way, for me, knowing that my daughters see the
support for us makes me feel good that they feel.
It's a hard thing for a for anyone who loves someone,
(25:36):
but especially maybe a child to a parent, to see
someone who they thought was up on a pedestal, who
people like to suddenly be considered the opposite, like a
pariah or whatever. So I actually I felt good knowing
that they were seeing positive comments and support, and that
made me feel good as a human being. I mean,
I wish I could say I didn't I wasn't affected
(25:57):
by any of that, but for sure I do feel
a more positive warm feeling when I think about hopefully
what most people, or hopefully at least some people think
of us.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
So do you think it made a difference as well?
When we start getting out more and actually interacting with
more people and you're just not sitting behind a damn
door with your phone, and oftentimes the folks who are
throwing a lobbing things at you, you know, and social
media and things, aren't the folks who are trying to
send a positive message. So I think once we started
(26:30):
getting out and interacting and seeing not friends, we saw friends,
but just members of the general public. And how yes,
it's not everybody hates you, not everybody thinks the worst
of you. And also I think once the story right
once since our first podcast is slowly but surely people
are getting more of an idea of what actually happened
(26:53):
with us, which is not what they were told when
everything went down. I think once people understand and the
story a little more, it's making a huge difference as well.
So the yeah, it's shifted a lot since the very beginning.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Abby asks what is your biggest ick about each other?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Mine is really simple, I've told you this, and I'm
not just saying like I just like watching you. That
sounds creepy, but I like almost everything about you, even
the things that just make you uniquely you. The one
thing you do that drives me crazy is you pop
your right elbow. It and you do it multiple times
(27:43):
a day. But I can live with that. It's okay,
But I can't really think of anything else. Oh oh oh,
you just like to sleep diagonally across the bed. That's tough.
That's it. I'm done.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
That's all you get. Yeah, I think there's probably more.
That's all you get.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
That's all I can think of right now.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Okay, So to answer this, I am going to defend
myself against your too wild accusations. The elbow, it's an
I don't think it was an injury, but it was
a habit. Like anybody else's. Something gets tight and you
pop it like a knuckle. It's my elbow gets tight
and I do. But you have told me you didn't
like it, and I have tried to not do it
(28:23):
as much. I still do it in front of you.
I know I do, but I have I am aware
of it, and I'm conscious of it. Two sleeping across
the bed. I think anybody here who's listened to the
podcast knows that TJ likes to sleep with the TV on.
The TV's always on, so if the TV is at
the foot of the bed that direction, if I'm watching TV,
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I can put myself in a sleeping position that to
watch TV, all I have to do is open my eyes.
I don't want to go to sleep, just close the eyes.
Don't have to change position at all. I'm not on
my back. I'm not not. If you're at that angle,
perfect viewing, perfect sleeping, Why that doesn't make sense to you?
I will never.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Understand because it doesn't really give me any room to sleep.
That's the problem. Sometimes I put my legs over your
body because I'm sleeping the way most people sleep, which
is lengthwise.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
You always get more sleep than I do. That's true,
you sleep more soundly and longer. Your problem is, no,
I get what you're saying. I sleep like that all
the time when you're I'm not in a bed with you.
When I am in the bed with you, then I
know better yes than to do that. But it's funny
when you come out of the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
So he does it on purpose. I comment, I'm like, really,
and he's completely like taking up the whole bed. That's
just and then it's like he's dead weight and can't move.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
That's just to be funny, you know, I said this,
I'm gonna kind of I kind of want to take
a high a high road approach to this, but it's
too it's too convenient. Maybe they brought this up not
too long ago, this idea of that you're ick about somebody.
I hated the idea of trying to find something I
didn't like about you, like to intentionally look at you
(30:04):
and say, hmm, let me figure. It's just to put
myself in that mindset. I got annoyed when I was
trying to do it previous and somebody had asked me.
So I was like, well, I participate in that exercise,
but if I'm being honest, please do please do I
an ick, an ick, I don't know what What do
I complain about with you? What do I say, babe?
(30:25):
Why are you doing that? What do I do?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
This isn't what do I say? Oh, chewing? I bought
my gum. I bought my gum. Yeah, And that's annoying.
And then the interrupting I am I'm not excusing because
it's rude, rude, rude. But I didn't realize how rude
it was because I was just so enthusiastic first of
all to say something, but also I was afraid that
I'd forget it in three seconds if I didn't say it.
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That's my worst habit, Like my brain does not retain.
If I have an idea, but I don't say it
right away, it's gone. But it's rude, and I hopefully
have gotten better.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Okay, but I was thinking more of yes, and what
you're talking about there, that's a habit you can change,
versus I don't know that I'm looking at as there's
something about you, an ick about you. I don't know
if there's a I don't know. Maybe you know, as
soon as we're gonna leave here, I'm.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Going, wow, yeah, he's gonna he's gonna have a listing.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I don't have an ick that I have. The chewing
that not even the snoring.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Oh yeah I do, I do.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Store you're a snorer, yeah, big times.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Didn't realize that.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, people snore normal function.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, not a big deal.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
You know. There was a trend on TikTok actually for
the friend that interrupts any sort of silence and they
just want to chat with their friend. Was to give
them a notepad and to write down all of their questions, comments, ideas,
and then present the notepad after.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Smart You think you can do that? Yeah, I know
you can't. You know the sounds offensive we talk about
you're not a you can't do two things at once.
You don't excel at doing that. Like I mean something
as simple as we could be in the middle of
a conversation while we're getting ready to go run and
you can't put your shoes on and talk to me
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at the same time, and I say, baby, stop talking,
put the shoes on so we can go. Yeah, and
if you put the shoes on, the conversation stops.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
It's I need to focus.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah you do, but you will focus on that one thing.
But when you do multiples. He gets drink.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Sophie asks, who are each of your role models, alive
or dead?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I can name one of them for me. Diane Sawyer.
I have always marveled at her ability to do her
job and to do it with such grace. She has
been and was such a beautiful mentor to me. The
moment I met her, I could barely even speak in
her presence because I had been watching her and studying
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her the moment I knew I wanted to be a journalist.
But she's just a beautiful mind and just a smart woman,
a smart woman who I have just always wanted to
emulate in my career and definitely has been a role
model in my life.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I will go with Andrew Young, Ambassador Andrew Young from Atlanta,
who is the first African American that served as UN
Ambassador under Clinton, former mayor of Atlanta. But he was
someone I just in my time in living in Atlanta
(33:36):
and working down there at CNN, I got to know
and got to travel with and got to just sit
I know, I know it the hell out of him
a lot, but I got access to him at times
and I would just sit like a kid, just trying
to learn and take in every bit of information he had.
And he's one of the most incredible deal makers and
I am able to put people together in the way
that I've never ever seen before. His life, his legacy,
(33:58):
his resume for itself. But he is someone I was
just always in awe of an amazed by, going from
right marching with Martin Luther King to UN ambassadors, mayor
and Congress all these things he's done, just that. Dude's incredible,
So he would be my guy.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Charlotte asks, if living in New York was no longer
an option, where.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Would the two of you live one?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
You know it already Atlanta, right? Is that what you
would say?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I like one, I was looking.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
For a tax free state. I mean, Georgia is a
place that we both know and love, and that would
probably be the place I would think we would do
well in. But I also I could I could live.
This sounds so cheesy, but I could live almost anywhere
as long as I was with TJ. Like, it really
(34:52):
wouldn't matter that much.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I think maybe I'm with you there. Atlanta would have
to be our My folks are Memphis, yours are right
outside of Atlanta. It would just makes sense for us.
I was thinking trying to think of a fun town,
like it wasn't a family situation. Where could we be
where we want to be?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
New Orleans, Miami. I haven't loved Nashville. I mean, there's
a lot of places I could live, But I've noticed
I've just said everything in the South.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
We just said every place I like to visit. I've
never thought about making any of those places home, true, right,
I love going to those spots. But yeah, Atlanta is
just such a home. Memphis is home even internationally for us.
I think London we'd probably be in our top three
places if we were considering.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
We could live in London and really really excel.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Wow. Oh Lane asks what are your favorite quotes or
phrases you live by?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Oh, I have a list.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I don't have a list. Some stuff I could reel off.
Don't let perfect get in the way of good money
is what people without talent used to keep score Bible Verse.
Do not fret because of evil doers, nor be envious
of the workers of inequity, where they say'll soon be
(36:07):
cut down like the grass and weather as the green herb.
I like that one.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I got few. If you want, keep going, keep going off,
keep going. I'm impressed this dude can memory Like your
brain is the opposite of mine. You retain everything, and
it's remarkable. I'm in awe that you can just spout
these off. I again, have just pulled up my Apple
notes list so I can read off of mine. But
please continue.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
This is the first thing to kind of come to mind.
You know, I'm a big Colts guy. So yeah, I'm
not even sure what I just reeled off.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I'm sorry. Well, if you could, I didn't want to.
I did interrupt you, That's what I just did. Uh,
my apologies. I have anything that's happening to you is
actually happening for you. That's one of my favorites. Comparison
is the thief of joy. I love when what you
appreciate appreciates It is not about belongings, it's about belonging.
(37:01):
Those are some of the things I love and then
don't be invested in outcomes. I think that's been a
huge part for me. And instead of being defensive, be defenseless.
That's a really tough one for me. But I try
to remind myself of that, usually after the fact, maybe
not when I'm in the middle of it. And you
(37:23):
know what I told you about this, Michael Strahan, I wrote,
I write down quotes when I see them that helped
me live better or just remind me of where I
want to place my focus. But Michael Strahan on this
set of Good Morning America said this to me one
day and I wrote it down, so I have to
give it to him. You can't complain about something you're
not trying to fix and I love that.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Okay, you know, I got ton I was still taking
notes on them, but I got quotes forever, So I'll
leave it at the one thigh.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I was just listening to Kevin from the office and
he recited the last line from the final season and
he said, there's beauty and ordinary things.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I love that I do too.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Okay. Last question is from Kristen. She asks who is
someone you would love to interview on this podcast and why.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Jennifer Lopez. Why? Because I think that lady needs a
break and a safe somewhere to express ourselfs don't even
me wrong. I'm sure there's the other places she could
do that and find some sincerity, but there was just
(38:39):
so much going on that I almost feel like giving
her in particular. But the two of them like just
a hug, just a big old hug. So I would
love to get those two in here, and not for
the sake of you know what. I would like to
talk to them and we never have to air the episode.
I would like to get in a room with them
and just say, Hi, guys, how you doing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I mean, so many people, just if they're in a
safe space, actually have so much wisdom based on what
they've experienced that they probably will never feel free or
safe to share. So yeah, I would love that too.
I would love I would love to interview Will Smith.
I had just finished reading his book when I think
(39:23):
it was maybe a couple months before the Oscars the
slab heard around around the world happened, and I would
just I would love to see he had so much
wisdom in all the life he had lived that he
put into his book that I listened to training for
my first marathon. I actually listened to the audiobook of it.
It's a great book. But given what happened since that
(39:44):
and where he is now, I would I would love
to talk to him.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
You've read the book and all that. That was the
last time I talked to him. Wow was the interview
we did in Philadelphia. He was promoting that book, And yeah,
I wonder what we just saw Bad Boys for We
did not too long ago. So many he's back out there.
That movie did well, so who knows what's coming, But
just for people who've experienced and gone through something to
(40:10):
that level. And I get what you're saying there.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Alec Baldwin and Hilaria, like we I would love to
talk to them too. I think, you know, we're so
quick to judge and just people who've had to go
through it, who are looking for maybe that second, third,
fourth chance that I think hopefully most of us deserve.
So I just love really getting to understand not only
(40:33):
what people have been through, but what they've learned from it,
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