June 12, 2025 • 17 mins
More developing news from day 22 of the Diddy trial with “Jane” finally back on the stand for more cross examination after a two hour delay that had both sides going in and out of the Judge’s chambers. Was it about the juror the prosecution wants kicked out, was it about “Jane’s” expected testimony? Diddy’s ex was extremely emotional on the stand Wednesday, reading texts about her love for him, calling him “truly a blessing” in her life.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, the folks. It is Thursday, June and twelfth day
twenty two officially in the fifth week of the Didy trial.
Welcome to this episode of Any and TJ. We continue
to be your one stop shop for all things did
He trial to get you caught up on the latest,
and we are recording this robes on this day twenty
two and as of this recording, testimony hasn't started yet,
(00:25):
and it was supposed to start a couple of hours ago.
We need to start with whatever this is going on
in court this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, for everyone to know.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
The judge called back the attorneys for both sides into
his chambers and there's been a lot of back and forth.
The courtroom's buzzing, and the reporters who are inside that
Lower Manhattan courtrooms say, no one knows what's going on.
They're trying to read Ditty's facial expressions, his lawyer's facial expressions.
(00:55):
But there's some issue that has not been resolved yet,
and it appears to be something different than whether or
not this juror that we've talked about is going to
be allowed to continue in this trial.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So yeah, it hasn't been resolved. It hasn't been made
clear at all exactly what this particular issue is to again,
to go back every single day courts supposed to start
at nine am. Usually they have them come in a
little early to get some of the house keeping out
of the way so they can stay on schedule. So
as we sit here recording this, we are a couple
of hours I mean, we're creeping up on lunchtime here shortly,
(01:30):
and they have not started testimony in the courtroom. So
from the reporters in the room they're telling us they
came in, there's been at least two, do I have
it right, closed door meetings with attorneys and the judge
in his robing room chambers as we call it, But
that's happened at least twice, and one of them went
for a.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Little bit correct And so some of the reporters in
the room are describing Diddy as initially visibly upset, very animated,
talking with his lawyers, passionately, they say, as his lawyers
stood sober face and attentive. And then we just got
another report saying that Diddy's lead attorney just made a
(02:06):
Usain Bolt style arm gesture in the courtroom, and the
defense attorneys are laughing and Combs cracked a smile.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So we it's like they've gone.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Through a gamut of emotions up and down, and no
one really understands what the issue is.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It seemed to be you said it a moment ago,
different from the other issue we were expecting to hear
from the juror. So this one seems to be directly
related to Jane, who has been testifying. She's up what's
sixth day now, this.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Will be her sixth full day of testify, that full day.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Of testifying, so we're waiting to get her back up
on cross examination nation she was supposed to finish today.
Now we're all getting an update from the courtroom right now,
Folks will getting this in live time or real time
as we're talking to you about it. But it appears
that Jane is now returning to the stand a couple
of hours behind schedule. We'll wait to see if we
get any clarity on what that issue was. But the
issue Robes we thought the judge needed to address was
(02:56):
about the potential of kicking one of the jurors off
this jury.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
That's correct, So we were expecting a ruling from the
judge today.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
The prosecutors want.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
The government wants this juror to be removed in an
alternate to take his place. The defense wants this juror
to stay. And at issue is, again, this is vague,
but we've been told that this juror has not been forthcoming,
or at least that's what the prosecutors say, that he
hasn't or wasn't forthcoming.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Lack of candor.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
They lack of candor, And so Ditty's team called this
investigation into the juror a thinly veiled effort to dismiss
a black juror. Because this particular juror is a forty
one year old man from the Bronx who works at
a corrections facility and enjoys nineteen nineties hip hop. That's
what we know of this juror.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Okay, we don't want to stereotype him, but they for
some reason think he might be a fan Diddy. They
think maybe he was.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I don't know where you could get that from.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well, there's a Again, we don't want to jump to
any conclusions, but remember it was a few weeks ago
Diddy was it moniged the judge for gesturing too much
in the direction of a particular jury got on doom
set out remove you from the courtroom if you do
that again. And now there seems to be a debate, yes,
about what to do with this jury. And that's the
thing we thought we were going to get an update on.
I thought it was about all this. I thought the
(04:15):
back and forth was about that. Apparently it wasn't this morning.
So two issues need to get worked out. But Jane
has returned to this stand yes.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
And we understand from folks in the courtroom that Jane
is expected to cover the allegation that she suffered multiple
injuries in that big fight in the summer of twenty
twenty four where she after that fight, she says Colmbs
did he told her to ice her bruises, put on
lingerie and perform with the male escort. She's expected to
(04:45):
be cross examined about that specific incident.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
And it was an emotional day for her yesterday.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So she's been through the ringer seemingly, and there were
questions as to whether or not she wanted to even
testify again.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It all today.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You know what you make a I mean, just how
gut wrenching some of this testimony is. Think of think, folks,
what you've been doing for the past week. If every
day for the past week you've had to sit in
public in front of strangers and reveal the most intimate
it may be embarrassing parts of humiliating.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I would say, she's been.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Sitting there doing that for the world to see for
six days. Now, that has to take a hell of
a toll. Of course, if she doesn't want to get
back up there, I could imagine a lot of people
would sympathize. But didn't you say she needs to be
wrapped by today? What does this mean now with a
two hour delay in testimony.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
They haven't reiterated or brought that back up again, But
certainly that was a point last week that they made
that she had somewhere she had to be internationally and she.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Needed to leave this evening.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So there certainly was an effort by the judge and
by prosecutors to try and make sure her testimony was
wrapped up by the end of court today.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
But this delay.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Certainly is throwing a wrench into the system, I believe
prosecutors so they also still have a few more people
they'd like to call to the stand after Jane as well.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
They hope to wrap their case.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
They mentioned by next Wednesday or at least by next Friday.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So that's a bit of the timeline.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
We don't know how much this delay is going to
cause problems for Jane and for prosecutors, and the timeline altogether.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
It's every day, even when you think you know what's
going to happen, because she's been up every day. So
we've been talking. Okay, she's scheduled to be up at nine,
she'll go through the day. We had it all worked out,
and now a two hour delay for something that had
to be significant. It had to be so important for
these attorneys to be going back and forth to this degree.
I cannot I am so anxious to hear what this
(06:38):
potentially was about.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And we don't even know if we will hear. That's
the thing.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
We aren't sure what will be revealed to the public,
to members of the media who were there in the
courtroom or not. We do know that, as I mentioned yesterday,
Jane broke down crying multiple times on the stand, and
specifically after reading a text message where she professed her
love and she said that he didn't like being called
(07:04):
her boyfriend. And so when she went through and as
you pointed out, relived her feelings, and she says she
still loves him. She said it several times throughout her testimony.
I can only imagine that must have been gutting for
her to have to say her own words of love
and adoration for this man who now stands on trial
for some of the most horrific things possible.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And so why is that all important?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Was?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yes, the defense is trying to show that this young
lady was a willing participant. She was at times an
enthusiastic participant. She was also a participant that had choice
and made choices and what escorts they were going to
use and where they were going to go. So this
is not a woman the defense is trying to establish
who was sex trafficked. She went willingly to these places,
(07:46):
She benefited from this. They showed about gifts she got
that she likes. She got jealous when another woman might
have gotten something. So all of this is to tear
away at this idea that sex trafficking. Was Jane sex
trafficked if she willingly participated, where's that line right between
coersion and consensual.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Well, and we got so many more details yesterday during
cross examination. We were reading them in real time and
then just going over them. It's it's phenomenal. And again
I keep saying mind blowing and jaw dropping that after
six days on the stand, five full days of testimony,
we already know of that each day there'd be new revelations.
And among the details we heard from her yesterday, there
(08:27):
was about a two month stretch that the defense was
able to point out where Jane and Diddy just had
a normal relationship, as much as that could be described
as normal.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
There weren't any freak offs.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
An take out the freak offs, and it's a normal relationship,
you know, like.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
The rest of us, normal problems, normal sex, Okay, all right,
But they were trying to point out that it shows
they did have a personal, genuine, one on one relationship
outside of these accusations of coercion and abuse and sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Can you be partially sex trafficked? Like could? For three
months I was being sex trafficked, and then the following
two months I wasn't, but I willingly went with the
guy who sex trafficked me.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
That's obviously sowing massive seeds of doubt injurers' minds. I
would think when they're able to point it out and
have her confirm that she also talked about some of
the things she did to prepare for the freakoffs, and
that would, of course also point to her willingness to
be involved, to prepare, to purchase, to arrange, and coordinate
(09:30):
the freakoffs before they happen. That doesn't sound like someone
who's co worst. She would buy matching shorts for Diddy
and the male escorts he hired. Why did we need
to know that?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Well, I'm sure those brilliant defense attorneys think that detail
is important for some reason. Again, it's an odd one.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
But did he wanted matching shorts with darts male?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
According to this witness's.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Testimony, yes, Did they say what the matching shorts looked like?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Well, they liked to role play with playing basketball players.
Maybe they were uniforms. Just making that up.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I have no idea that would be so disturbing Jersey
long basketball shorts.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Okay, I didn't need that.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Visual effect thing. You remember Kobean?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
How could I forget?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
He was Michael Jordan, Paul was Shack and Jane was Kobe. Right, Okay,
I'll never forget that actually, as much as I might
want to. All Right.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
She also bought Rhino erection pills. I didn't even know
that that was a thing.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
They said, you can get these just at the countertop
at a like a truck stop type thing. Given all
the drugs they talk about they had, I mean, that
seemed like there was a better option for Diddy. He
knew how to get some quality prescription stuff if he
wanted to. That seemed rhino erection pills.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
But they said that, And this was again building the
case that she participated willingly, that she actually purchased these
rhino erection pills so that she wouldn't have to spend
as much time getting the guys aroused and perhaps even
saying aroused it mate, it meant less work for her
and the pill could do the bidding instead of her.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
But to your point, she did that on her own,
for herself, for her own benefit. Again, it's why we
need to hear about that, because it's making the point
and showing that she was a willing, a conscious, consensual
participant in some of these things.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
And then also we learned that did he spent fifteen
thousand dollars to throw Jane a birthday party that he
didn't even attend, but just some of the gifts some
of the money that he gave to her just because
not because of a freak off, not because of what
she was supposed to do, but apparently because he was
being a nice boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Again, they keep showing how the nice moments and the
nice things he did for her along the way, the
tender moments. Look, I don't think anybody after seeing some
of this stuff jumps to the conclusion, Oh, he really
is a nice guy. They're not saying that, but they're
just trying to sew a little doubt in somebody's head
on that jury. And apparently the prosecution might think it's
(12:21):
working that he's getting through to some jur that maybe
they can tell in some why is a jury? I've
only seen this in movies for the most part, right
where the defendant kind of flirts with some jur a
little bit or something like that.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
That just does wouldn't think anybody would dare do that.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It doesn't happen in real life. It just does not happen.
We've covered trials for decades, never seen anything like this once.
So something might must be working in the defense line
of questioning of these women. You're just so a little
doubt and I show a different size.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I know, and I'm amazed that Diddy is, and this
is his defense team leading her into these details that
I would imagine he would think are humiliating, and he
wouldn't want people to know. His mom's in the room,
his children are in the room, the world is watching,
and yet his life is on the line. So I'm
assuming he's saying, hey, I'll get humiliated, I'll get embarrassed. Fine,
(13:14):
people will know all of these bizarre and sortid details
about what I like. And even if that means I
like men, it's better than being in prison for the
rest of his life. That is what the stakes are
at this point. So I mentioned when Jane broke down
and was crying this text of love that she had
written to Ditty, But man, I think we should read
(13:37):
the actual text because it's powerful. Again, I'm imagining being
a juror and hearing all I've heard and then hearing
this text that she wrote, Ditty. The fact that you
are the reason for my child's joy is a feeling
inside me. I can't explain I love you so much
as my friend, my lover, my boyfriend, even though you
(13:58):
don't like that word.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
That's powerful.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I meanfore the jury, Is it not. Yes, it sounds
like a woman in love. That sounds like a woman
who understands what she's getting from the relationship and appreciates
what she's getting from the relationship. Look, you say all
the time about the notes that sometimes saw the text
messages that some of the alleged victims wrote in real
time three four, five, eight years ago, said those are
(14:26):
a good indication of where their heads were at the time.
Is this yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I mean, she texted him, you are truly a blessing
in my life. I have never had a man take
care of me like you do. It's hard to argue
against her own words. She also told Diddy she was
having so much fun and would never take this for
granted and will always make sure you are taken care of. Again,
(14:51):
that is tough. That is really tough to have those
texts be read and heard and understood and verified by
her and then believe that she was also coerced and
forced to do things against her will.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Well, you know what, and when they do a redirect
later on today, we'll come back and we'll sit down
and say, Wow, prosecution made a really good point on
that one, didn't they right? This is what they're supposed
to do. Make you feel it's supposed to be a
back and forth you're supposed to That means they're doing
a good job of putting on their cases if this
is happening. But she is again supposed to be done today.
(15:31):
She is supposed to be done on the stand today,
and she will have testified more than twenty plus hours.
She's already done that at this point. So this might
be the last day, the last time we hear from
this young lady. And it has robed. It has been fascinating,
gut wrenching as always, and it continues to be draw.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Dropping, it does, and that juror does appear to continue
to be among the jury, and so we still have
not heard word as to whether or not he will
be removed again. There are alternates there waiting and ready
to step in in case that decision is made.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And perhaps the judge is still weighing, and maybe he just.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Took in or listened to the prosecution's desires and is
still weighing whether or not he should allow that juror
to continue. But certainly that drama has not been revealed
yet in the courtroom, and we know that Jane will
be on the stand for at least part of the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
When did they break for lunch around like.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Oh, they usually have been doing it right around lunchtime.
He's kept the pretty well for one, yeah, and then
they come back and they're out of there by three.
That's what the day has been. Very few do not
delay like the one we have seen today. Nothing to
that significance. He's gone a little later on some days
as well. I think he was trying to accommodate some
witnesses on those days. But this is it's so much
(16:46):
is at stake for them to take this much time
on what seemingly was a minor matter, if you will,
But it is monumental possibly, and I mean it is
case shifting potentially when a man's like life is at stake.
So yeah, they gotta get it right.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
All right.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Well, we will continue to update you on everything that's
happening at that Lower Manhattan courtroom just a few blocks
from where we're sitting right now recording this, and we
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Hey, the folks. It is Thursday, June and twelfth day
twenty two officially in the fifth week of the Didy trial.
Welcome to this episode of Any and TJ. We continue
to be your one stop shop for all things did
He trial to get you caught up on the latest,
and we are recording this robes on this day twenty
two and as of this recording, testimony hasn't started yet,
(00:25):
and it was supposed to start a couple of hours ago.
We need to start with whatever this is going on
in court this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, for everyone to know.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
The judge called back the attorneys for both sides into
his chambers and there's been a lot of back and forth.
The courtroom's buzzing, and the reporters who are inside that
Lower Manhattan courtrooms say, no one knows what's going on.
They're trying to read Ditty's facial expressions, his lawyer's facial expressions.
(00:55):
But there's some issue that has not been resolved yet,
and it appears to be something different than whether or
not this juror that we've talked about is going to
be allowed to continue in this trial.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So yeah, it hasn't been resolved. It hasn't been made
clear at all exactly what this particular issue is to again,
to go back every single day courts supposed to start
at nine am. Usually they have them come in a
little early to get some of the house keeping out
of the way so they can stay on schedule. So
as we sit here recording this, we are a couple
of hours I mean, we're creeping up on lunchtime here shortly,
(01:30):
and they have not started testimony in the courtroom. So
from the reporters in the room they're telling us they
came in, there's been at least two, do I have
it right, closed door meetings with attorneys and the judge
in his robing room chambers as we call it, But
that's happened at least twice, and one of them went
for a.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Little bit correct And so some of the reporters in
the room are describing Diddy as initially visibly upset, very animated,
talking with his lawyers, passionately, they say, as his lawyers
stood sober face and attentive. And then we just got
another report saying that Diddy's lead attorney just made a
(02:06):
Usain Bolt style arm gesture in the courtroom, and the
defense attorneys are laughing and Combs cracked a smile.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So we it's like they've gone.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Through a gamut of emotions up and down, and no
one really understands what the issue is.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It seemed to be you said it a moment ago,
different from the other issue we were expecting to hear
from the juror. So this one seems to be directly
related to Jane, who has been testifying. She's up what's
sixth day now, this.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Will be her sixth full day of testify, that full day.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Of testifying, so we're waiting to get her back up
on cross examination nation she was supposed to finish today.
Now we're all getting an update from the courtroom right now,
Folks will getting this in live time or real time
as we're talking to you about it. But it appears
that Jane is now returning to the stand a couple
of hours behind schedule. We'll wait to see if we
get any clarity on what that issue was. But the
issue Robes we thought the judge needed to address was
(02:56):
about the potential of kicking one of the jurors off
this jury.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
That's correct, So we were expecting a ruling from the
judge today.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
The prosecutors want.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
The government wants this juror to be removed in an
alternate to take his place. The defense wants this juror
to stay. And at issue is, again, this is vague,
but we've been told that this juror has not been forthcoming,
or at least that's what the prosecutors say, that he
hasn't or wasn't forthcoming.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Lack of candor.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
They lack of candor, And so Ditty's team called this
investigation into the juror a thinly veiled effort to dismiss
a black juror. Because this particular juror is a forty
one year old man from the Bronx who works at
a corrections facility and enjoys nineteen nineties hip hop. That's
what we know of this juror.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Okay, we don't want to stereotype him, but they for
some reason think he might be a fan Diddy. They
think maybe he was.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I don't know where you could get that from.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well, there's a Again, we don't want to jump to
any conclusions, but remember it was a few weeks ago
Diddy was it moniged the judge for gesturing too much
in the direction of a particular jury got on doom
set out remove you from the courtroom if you do
that again. And now there seems to be a debate, yes,
about what to do with this jury. And that's the
thing we thought we were going to get an update on.
I thought it was about all this. I thought the
(04:15):
back and forth was about that. Apparently it wasn't this morning.
So two issues need to get worked out. But Jane
has returned to this stand yes.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
And we understand from folks in the courtroom that Jane
is expected to cover the allegation that she suffered multiple
injuries in that big fight in the summer of twenty
twenty four where she after that fight, she says Colmbs
did he told her to ice her bruises, put on
lingerie and perform with the male escort. She's expected to
(04:45):
be cross examined about that specific incident.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
And it was an emotional day for her yesterday.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So she's been through the ringer seemingly, and there were
questions as to whether or not she wanted to even
testify again.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It all today.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You know what you make a I mean, just how
gut wrenching some of this testimony is. Think of think, folks,
what you've been doing for the past week. If every
day for the past week you've had to sit in
public in front of strangers and reveal the most intimate
it may be embarrassing parts of humiliating.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I would say, she's been.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Sitting there doing that for the world to see for
six days. Now, that has to take a hell of
a toll. Of course, if she doesn't want to get
back up there, I could imagine a lot of people
would sympathize. But didn't you say she needs to be
wrapped by today? What does this mean now with a
two hour delay in testimony.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
They haven't reiterated or brought that back up again, But
certainly that was a point last week that they made
that she had somewhere she had to be internationally and she.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Needed to leave this evening.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So there certainly was an effort by the judge and
by prosecutors to try and make sure her testimony was
wrapped up by the end of court today.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
But this delay.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Certainly is throwing a wrench into the system, I believe
prosecutors so they also still have a few more people
they'd like to call to the stand after Jane as well.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
They hope to wrap their case.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
They mentioned by next Wednesday or at least by next Friday.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So that's a bit of the timeline.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
We don't know how much this delay is going to
cause problems for Jane and for prosecutors, and the timeline altogether.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
It's every day, even when you think you know what's
going to happen, because she's been up every day. So
we've been talking. Okay, she's scheduled to be up at nine,
she'll go through the day. We had it all worked out,
and now a two hour delay for something that had
to be significant. It had to be so important for
these attorneys to be going back and forth to this degree.
I cannot I am so anxious to hear what this
(06:38):
potentially was about.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And we don't even know if we will hear. That's
the thing.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
We aren't sure what will be revealed to the public,
to members of the media who were there in the
courtroom or not. We do know that, as I mentioned yesterday,
Jane broke down crying multiple times on the stand, and
specifically after reading a text message where she professed her
love and she said that he didn't like being called
(07:04):
her boyfriend. And so when she went through and as
you pointed out, relived her feelings, and she says she
still loves him. She said it several times throughout her testimony.
I can only imagine that must have been gutting for
her to have to say her own words of love
and adoration for this man who now stands on trial
for some of the most horrific things possible.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And so why is that all important?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Was?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yes, the defense is trying to show that this young
lady was a willing participant. She was at times an
enthusiastic participant. She was also a participant that had choice
and made choices and what escorts they were going to
use and where they were going to go. So this
is not a woman the defense is trying to establish
who was sex trafficked. She went willingly to these places,
(07:46):
She benefited from this. They showed about gifts she got
that she likes. She got jealous when another woman might
have gotten something. So all of this is to tear
away at this idea that sex trafficking. Was Jane sex
trafficked if she willingly participated, where's that line right between
coersion and consensual.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Well, and we got so many more details yesterday during
cross examination. We were reading them in real time and
then just going over them. It's it's phenomenal. And again
I keep saying mind blowing and jaw dropping that after
six days on the stand, five full days of testimony,
we already know of that each day there'd be new revelations.
And among the details we heard from her yesterday, there
(08:27):
was about a two month stretch that the defense was
able to point out where Jane and Diddy just had
a normal relationship, as much as that could be described
as normal.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
There weren't any freak offs.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
An take out the freak offs, and it's a normal relationship,
you know, like.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
The rest of us, normal problems, normal sex, Okay, all right,
But they were trying to point out that it shows
they did have a personal, genuine, one on one relationship
outside of these accusations of coercion and abuse and sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Can you be partially sex trafficked? Like could? For three
months I was being sex trafficked, and then the following
two months I wasn't, but I willingly went with the
guy who sex trafficked me.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
That's obviously sowing massive seeds of doubt injurers' minds. I
would think when they're able to point it out and
have her confirm that she also talked about some of
the things she did to prepare for the freakoffs, and
that would, of course also point to her willingness to
be involved, to prepare, to purchase, to arrange, and coordinate
(09:30):
the freakoffs before they happen. That doesn't sound like someone
who's co worst. She would buy matching shorts for Diddy
and the male escorts he hired. Why did we need
to know that?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Well, I'm sure those brilliant defense attorneys think that detail
is important for some reason. Again, it's an odd one.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
But did he wanted matching shorts with darts male?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
According to this witness's.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Testimony, yes, Did they say what the matching shorts looked like?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Well, they liked to role play with playing basketball players.
Maybe they were uniforms. Just making that up.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I have no idea that would be so disturbing Jersey
long basketball shorts.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Okay, I didn't need that.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Visual effect thing. You remember Kobean?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
How could I forget?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
He was Michael Jordan, Paul was Shack and Jane was Kobe. Right, Okay,
I'll never forget that actually, as much as I might
want to. All Right.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
She also bought Rhino erection pills. I didn't even know
that that was a thing.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
They said, you can get these just at the countertop
at a like a truck stop type thing. Given all
the drugs they talk about they had, I mean, that
seemed like there was a better option for Diddy. He
knew how to get some quality prescription stuff if he
wanted to. That seemed rhino erection pills.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
But they said that, And this was again building the
case that she participated willingly, that she actually purchased these
rhino erection pills so that she wouldn't have to spend
as much time getting the guys aroused and perhaps even
saying aroused it mate, it meant less work for her
and the pill could do the bidding instead of her.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
But to your point, she did that on her own,
for herself, for her own benefit. Again, it's why we
need to hear about that, because it's making the point
and showing that she was a willing, a conscious, consensual
participant in some of these things.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
And then also we learned that did he spent fifteen
thousand dollars to throw Jane a birthday party that he
didn't even attend, but just some of the gifts some
of the money that he gave to her just because
not because of a freak off, not because of what
she was supposed to do, but apparently because he was
being a nice boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Again, they keep showing how the nice moments and the
nice things he did for her along the way, the
tender moments. Look, I don't think anybody after seeing some
of this stuff jumps to the conclusion, Oh, he really
is a nice guy. They're not saying that, but they're
just trying to sew a little doubt in somebody's head
on that jury. And apparently the prosecution might think it's
(12:21):
working that he's getting through to some jur that maybe
they can tell in some why is a jury? I've
only seen this in movies for the most part, right
where the defendant kind of flirts with some jur a
little bit or something like that.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
That just does wouldn't think anybody would dare do that.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It doesn't happen in real life. It just does not happen.
We've covered trials for decades, never seen anything like this once.
So something might must be working in the defense line
of questioning of these women. You're just so a little
doubt and I show a different size.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I know, and I'm amazed that Diddy is, and this
is his defense team leading her into these details that
I would imagine he would think are humiliating, and he
wouldn't want people to know. His mom's in the room,
his children are in the room, the world is watching,
and yet his life is on the line. So I'm
assuming he's saying, hey, I'll get humiliated, I'll get embarrassed. Fine,
(13:14):
people will know all of these bizarre and sortid details
about what I like. And even if that means I
like men, it's better than being in prison for the
rest of his life. That is what the stakes are
at this point. So I mentioned when Jane broke down
and was crying this text of love that she had
written to Ditty, But man, I think we should read
(13:37):
the actual text because it's powerful. Again, I'm imagining being
a juror and hearing all I've heard and then hearing
this text that she wrote, Ditty. The fact that you
are the reason for my child's joy is a feeling
inside me. I can't explain I love you so much
as my friend, my lover, my boyfriend, even though you
(13:58):
don't like that word.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
That's powerful.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I meanfore the jury, Is it not. Yes, it sounds
like a woman in love. That sounds like a woman
who understands what she's getting from the relationship and appreciates
what she's getting from the relationship. Look, you say all
the time about the notes that sometimes saw the text
messages that some of the alleged victims wrote in real
time three four, five, eight years ago, said those are
(14:26):
a good indication of where their heads were at the time.
Is this yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I mean, she texted him, you are truly a blessing
in my life. I have never had a man take
care of me like you do. It's hard to argue
against her own words. She also told Diddy she was
having so much fun and would never take this for
granted and will always make sure you are taken care of. Again,
(14:51):
that is tough. That is really tough to have those
texts be read and heard and understood and verified by
her and then believe that she was also coerced and
forced to do things against her will.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Well, you know what, and when they do a redirect
later on today, we'll come back and we'll sit down
and say, Wow, prosecution made a really good point on
that one, didn't they right? This is what they're supposed
to do. Make you feel it's supposed to be a
back and forth you're supposed to That means they're doing
a good job of putting on their cases if this
is happening. But she is again supposed to be done today.
(15:31):
She is supposed to be done on the stand today,
and she will have testified more than twenty plus hours.
She's already done that at this point. So this might
be the last day, the last time we hear from
this young lady. And it has robed. It has been fascinating,
gut wrenching as always, and it continues to be draw.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Dropping, it does, and that juror does appear to continue
to be among the jury, and so we still have
not heard word as to whether or not he will
be removed again. There are alternates there waiting and ready
to step in in case that decision is made.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And perhaps the judge is still weighing, and maybe he just.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Took in or listened to the prosecution's desires and is
still weighing whether or not he should allow that juror
to continue. But certainly that drama has not been revealed
yet in the courtroom, and we know that Jane will
be on the stand for at least part of the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
When did they break for lunch around like.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Oh, they usually have been doing it right around lunchtime.
He's kept the pretty well for one, yeah, and then
they come back and they're out of there by three.
That's what the day has been. Very few do not
delay like the one we have seen today. Nothing to
that significance. He's gone a little later on some days
as well. I think he was trying to accommodate some
witnesses on those days. But this is it's so much
(16:46):
is at stake for them to take this much time
on what seemingly was a minor matter, if you will,
But it is monumental possibly, and I mean it is
case shifting potentially when a man's like life is at stake.
So yeah, they gotta get it right.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
All right.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Well, we will continue to update you on everything that's
happening at that Lower Manhattan courtroom just a few blocks
from where we're sitting right now recording this, and we
want to thank you for listening. We hope to continue
to be your one stop shop for all things Diddy
during the Diddy trial, and.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
We hope to keep you informed as.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Events inspire us to pick up the microphones and put
another podcast out for you. But again thanks for listening everyone,
and we hope you have a wonderful day today
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