Glee Glue with Telly Kousakis

There would be no Glee without the T! Find out why the cast called Telly Kousakis the glue that held it all together.  As a PA on the Glee set, Telly grew very close with the cast from the very beginning, and he has many behind-the-scenes stories! Telly tells all to Jenna and Kevin, including how he got his job, doing more than a typical PA, his interactions with the guest stars, being the only person to get the cast to listen to him, and how he helped Kevin come out!! You don't want to miss this one!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And that's what you really missed with Jenna.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to you, and that's what you're the miss podcast.
Well today, Kevin, we've got We've got him, the.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Man, the myth, the legends. Telly is the Glee Club. Yeah,
he is Glee. He is what made us like us
Glee Club members show up.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
He's the glue.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
He's the actual glue.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
He doesn't really need an introduction. If you know, if
you know Glee, you know Telly. If you know the cast,
you know Telly. But he was a PA that started
it and basically created his own role in dynamic on
the show as basically our our wrangler in corraling all
of us fools together. But it was our strategy to

(00:59):
keep Kelly around. It was I don't want to listen
to who's that. It's not Telly. No, okay, anyway, here's
telling kusagas enjoy. Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Hi, Jenna, and I haven't seen you in forever.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
I know, a really long time. How are you.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Oh, I'm okay, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
It's just okay's had a.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Great time in Thailand. Okay, back in the real world,
I know. Is it hard to adjust back to this life.
I mean, you don't want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I'll call you after this, because I do want to know,
in fact, and actually maybe I should. We should get
lunch after this.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Oh boy, oh man, it's good to have you here.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
It's so great to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
If anybody has ever listened to any sort of Glee
behind the scenes, anything, seen any photos, then you know
who Telly Kusakis is, because there is no Glee without.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
T to say.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
It's true, it's true, like you were such a vital
piece of making the show work. You know, We've interviewed
a lot of crew members and it's amazing how much
weight everybody was pulling, because it really was this gigantic
team effort.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yes, yes, but.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Damn Kelly, you had a job that no one else
could do well. Yes, and nobody nobody else wanted. You
had to pass the torch personally to make sure somebody
could handle us.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yes, yes, that's true. That's true. For those who don't know,
I started on Glee as a set PA, and typically
on a TV movie that there's one PA who's dedicated
to the handling of the actors, or the first PA,
and so I was the first team PA. Hungrily for

(03:03):
the first three seasons.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
And you started immediately right. You didn't work on the
pilot started. I did not work on the pilots. I
am a NEPO baby. My father worked on the pilot.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
And then when it was ordered to series, he was like,
I could give you this job because I didn't have
a job and I was twenty nothing. And then I
was like, I don't know, I've never done it before.
I don't know if I want to like chase around
a bunch of factors. I think what really happened, which

(03:37):
was helpful for all of us, was that like, for
the most part, everyone that was an actor on the show,
or at least playing one of the teenagers, was so green,
and I was so green that we kind of like
worked out our own system how to be on the set,
how to go to and from the set, because you know,

(03:59):
it's like the ad team, the prepas are, you know,
sort of meant to just like keep tabs on everyone
on the set. So it's like, you know, and I
feel like, just because it was such a large group
of people, like, yeah, we kind of worked out our
own little shorthand our own little thing because we were
all kind of like what the youngest of us was

(04:22):
twenty eighteen and the oldest was like twenty nine or
whenever at the time. So yeah, we were all the
same age. We all had similar experience in life and work,
and so it's just like, yeah, I kind of like
worked my way in there.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
And it made yourself it replaceable.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
On many I wore many hats in that role.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
You really did. You made yourself irreplaceable. Nobody would listen
to anybody except for you. Yeah, And we kind of
hadn't made it that way. So we were like, well,
we'll just have Telly around and we won't listen to
anybody else, so we'll make sure that they know that
we need Telly.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
We acted up. I think the only times we collectively
acted up was if like you weren't there for some
reason or like you were taking like if they had
somebody else come in. We were not easy for anybody else.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
No, And I think it was like a lot of
you know, on there's a lot of hurry up and
wait on sets, and and a lot of like a
lot of the time you'll get an actual will get
called to set at the right time, you know, but
then there's eventually going to be some you know, the
final camera checks, the final hair and makeup, so it's

(05:29):
like you're never writing change when they're ready. No one's
ever really ready when ready is called. But I think
because again there were so many it was like of
you that it was like, well they're not going at
so I'm not going to go, you know. And that
was exact a lot of like false calls to set
and like a lot of like, well you guys need
to go now, and it's like, well do we really
need to go now or or is it just going

(05:49):
to be another fifteen people standing in that room doing nothing?
Oh god, it just all came back. Then it was
like like my voice coming through would be like, okay,
it's actually time for you to go. So sort of
like and I always like employed the method of just
like touching someone's shoulder or need making eye contact to
say ever even to go do your job now.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
I mean think your personality it was built for that
because you know, you like to say this what other
people tell you. But you are the universally most like
last I've ever met.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Like, thank you, that's very sweet of you. Yeah. I
I think I work best when just working with other people.
And this is like working with other people because it's
well I also, like you know, have no personal boundaries.
So that's right, none of us did, which is great.
So you know it'st important.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
That was the most important.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Ye be there talking it out, working it out, figuring
it out together just kind of like that's sort of
just naturally how I like to be. And I think again,
like another there was so much to learn in those
first few years for all of us in so many
different ways, and like so you know, I think it's

(07:09):
just like was always good to be there. I think
like ultimately what ended up happening was that like I
took on a lot of a role as like a
lot like an emotional sort of, I took on a
lot of like emotional I don't know what the term
is other than like baggage, but it's not really baggage.
But like you know, as things come up and like

(07:32):
tempers flare and it gets on to our sixteen and
so many various things that happened that can you know,
and then everyone's got personal lives for shit, you know,
stuff's going on in your personal life, and but you're there,
you are on set living as I'm sure you guys
have talked about like scenes of fifteen people where only

(07:52):
three people talk. So it's like, great, I'm so glad
I was here all day to stand in the background, right.
But you know, it's like those things, there's a lot,
there's a lot to take on, a lot to learn,
and then especially once the show is like catapulting into
this like insane stratosphere of of like same and just
like everybody knows who you are now and you know,

(08:15):
all eyes around Glee. It's like there's a lot of
emotional tension that comes up with that, a lot of things.
I think a lot of what came from that. I
think a lot of where a dynamic ended up in
that third season especially was sort of just like being
there to make everything, make sure everybody was like okay
on that level, on that emotional yeah, and to just yeah,

(08:38):
make things so smoothly, especially like with such a revolving
door of cast as well, like on the special guest
level and on just like the day playing co star level,
there's like tons of people. So I like really took on,
you know the role of like being that first person
that they meet at base camp, being the first person
that they see on set, you know, being there. Yeah,

(09:02):
and just like you know, so that it so that
nobody that I took it on personally, So it was
like nobody that came on to be on camera, be
they like a dancer or Carol Burnett, like, you know,
I want them to know that there's someone here that's
not the fact that that will show them where to
go or tell them what to do, because it was

(09:22):
really I mean that when that machine was up and running,
it was like it was fast, it was big, and
it was loud, you know, so it was it could
sometimes be really hard for so as much as I
took on and loved being there, is sort of like
the support for the main cast, it was like I
also really did take on. Yeah, you did that role

(09:44):
for the other cast of just you know, just being there, and.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
There's a much bigger role than any PA I think
on any other show has taken on ever.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Because I imagine that's not in the job description. Were like,
it's like you're welcoming, and we were all very proud
of what we were doing, and so it feels like
you were welcoming people into our home and making sure
like I'm going to be a good host and make
sure you're taken care of, so like when you leave,
you feel protected and that you had a good and

(10:12):
safe experience.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
And you know, like I think in a in general,
you know, there's a lot of talk I think around
Glee and in other shows and like other like outsiders
looking in. It's like you think, like, oh, how is that.
How do the cast treat this new person, or how
do the cast treat this bring this other person? Like, yes,
we're all humans, so we like should be treating each

(10:35):
other with respect. But also like it's not necessarily a
regular actor's job to like bring in another actor and
show them the ropes and like make sure that they're okay.
And you know, like everybody has their own thing and
their own laying to be in on a set, so
it's like right, and like, I don't think anybody did it.
I don't think anybody was overly like rude or didn't
take care of people in that way. But you know,

(10:57):
it was nice that I could be that somewhere, you know,
fill that space in so that.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
For sure, it's a good point that people knew.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
That they were they could do their job. And then
also right if there was anything else going on that
it was like could be a safe enough place to
just like talk about it, let it out, or at
least just like recognize that not everything in life is
like sunshine and rainbows and roads sometimes bad days.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I was just thinking, how that's such like an unquantifiable
quality or attribute to a set. But I think that's wrong.
I think it is quantifiable in the sense that you
probably were the piece that connected all of these different departments.
Obviously there was overlap with you know, Heather Knew, Brittay

(11:46):
and Hannah and the dance department, and obviously Zach and
Broke and we were close with them, or makeup and
hair or any Kosters that were coming in. But you
were the singular person going between all of those things, right,
and the reason why we probably are also all felt
so comfortable, I don't know, mixing or being like we're

(12:07):
all on the same level here. It's not like, oh,
we're the first twelve people on the call sheet. That
doesn't mean anything. We're making sure everybody is, you know,
having a good time and like we're hanging out. We're
all young, and at the same time, you could do
that and be the emotional support for everyone but also
make sure the ship was running how it was supposed
to be run.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah, and also like I noticed two and you know this.
I don't think we'll ever go away. But there's like
there's this attitude around actors sometimes on a like on
a set with the crew, where it's like they're like
there's special attention given and sometimes they're like handled in
this way that's like, you know, you hear these horror
stories of people living like you can't make eye contact

(12:48):
with this person or like you can't do this that,
and it's like whether or not that happens or is real,
it's like there's still sort of this attitude where it's
like for the crew where it's like okay, but the
cast is somehow like unapproachable or like leave them to
themselves or like you know true, And that's again part
of just like being respectful of people in their jobs.
But I also think, like to what you're saying, Kevin,

(13:09):
like maybe I had a hand in helping like everyone
more accessible to everyone. Yeah, you guys needed to talk
to someone who It's like I don't know who this
person is on the crew, but I need to get
this done. It's like, oh, I can link you up
with that person. Yeah, Vice versa, because you know, it's
like there's a lot of people, you know, people like
if a crew member had like a friend or family

(13:30):
on set and they wanted to like meet you guys,
all talk to you guys, it's like they'd always kind
of like I remember a lot of people coming to
me and being like how should I handle this, and
it's just like, you know, like break down. So I
also like felt like, yeah, you did conviously breaking those
walls down and making it so that like everyone everyone
can talk to everyone here.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
And it makes me think of like we go into
crafty and see these beautiful drawings, like who did that, right? Jason?

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Jason?

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Right, Jason did this drawing?

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Oh my god, really, I just found my teena card
that Jason.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
It's like I don't even know. I don't know if
that's normal on set, but we were all the different
departments were fully just intermigrated.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, and again I think that like had a lot.
I'm not going to say that was I was the
reason for that. I think a lot of it. Most
of it would probably was what you referenced that sort
of like Glee to me was like everyone was being
called upon to go above and beyond like every day, yes,
every department that is, there's a commiseration there or like

(14:30):
a camaraderie where it's like we're all we're all being
pushed here to like a limit. So it's like I
think that bonds you as well.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
You said, like the emotional like by season three, because
we we did season three, watch season three recently and
we're talking about how the wheels were falling off.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Oh yeah, and it was just where you guys were
out in your rewatch.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
We're in season four now.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
But season three it was a lot of like oh
my god, like, yeah, did we block this out of
our memories? Were we even like conscious of what was
happening because it was just so hectic, But you were
there as like the emotional support, which I know is
not part of your job description, but I don't know,

(15:20):
like how do you think that impacted you or does
still impact you? Or like a lot was being asked
of you about and beyond of what a normal PA
job would be, and I don't think we knew any
different that maybe that wasn't fair to you because we
were all best friends and so there was that weird
line of like what we said, like being a coworker

(15:44):
being a best friend, and it was fully, it was
very blurry like there was no separation.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Totally, totally yeah, And I think especially by that point, well,
I guess my first thought about that is like at
that point, there was like we're dealing with like we're
going on the third year of like some intense like
exhaustion because we've gotten like season one, we had that

(16:11):
big long break between the first like the first twelve
and the back nine, but then it was like back
nine concert tour, season two, concert tour, season three, and
so it's like at this point we've.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Had the same schedule as us, minus like the press stuff,
but like you saw us through all of those moments
as well, which nobody else did. So I think like,
and I think.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
When you mix it up like that way with the
show and then the tour on the off time and
then we're socializing as well, I think it's just like
you start seeing like you're all feeling it, you all
know it, right, It's like you know what we've been
through professionally. And then I mean when you're spending all
their time together, we also just know each other so well,
we know what's going on in each other's lives. We

(16:57):
know those stresses, and so I think, you know, I
think it was just a natural progression. I think as
far as like taking on more of that personal stuff
or like being available for that, like just seems like
a natural progression because it's like we're friends, we're and
and I know what's going on. It's not like your

(17:18):
friends that have to work and you are on the
weekends and you're sort of like, how was work this week? Like, Oh,
it was all right.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
It's like no, I know that I intimately knew everything.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
I intimately know what's going on, Like I know who's
you know, I know if there's tension between two cast members.
I know if someone's having some issue at home like
yeah or Pritner or whatever. Like we're all aware of
all that stuff. So I think, yeah, I think that
was just like sort of naturally happened. But I think
what also came with that was like by season three,

(17:47):
for me personally on set, like there I would I
had lost some of the like more traditional PA responsibilities,
like I was now no longer like in place of
you know, like locking up doorway and like right like
handling the walkie talkies like I had kind of graduated
to a place where I could be on set with

(18:10):
the actors, be at base camp with the actors, like
be running in between and doing all those things that
I needed to do that were maybe not part of
the job description. So it's funny here there's like a
bit of a balance in that, like because I was
maybe taking on more nuanced personal like matters or like
emotional heavy lifting. Yeah, it's no longer doing some of the.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Physical annual labor, yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Or like you know, so it's like their balances out
in that way, like with time comes seniority as well.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
So it's really crazy because I think it's like when
things happen incrementally, you know, over time, you don't necessarily
realize it. I was like, yeah, I think the reason
I probably like sort of came out to everyone was
because of you, Like you helped me sort of like
you know, get there.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
You also had no choice.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
I had, it was but it was like I didn't
have for example, like a lot of gay friends. I
was around a lot of gay people. You were very close,
we were very close in age. You were someone who
felt so secure and free within themselves. You created this

(19:21):
I don't know, probably subconsciously, unbeknownst to me, this really
safe space and someone to like look up to and
admire and in a way where because growing up in
the entertainment business, I thought this was something that would
always have to be hidden. Obviously, you know, Jenna and
Amber and Chris already knew, but you were the next person.

(19:42):
And I think once and like, how it even happened.
I remember we were in Vegas. I remember sitting on the floor.
There was the family bed and I was sitting on
the floor charging my phone, and You're like, so, Kevin,
what's up you like guys? Oh no, you said, did you.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Say you wanted to tell me? Yeah? And I'm like, uh,
like fun, what do I do it?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
I'm like, yeah, I guess I like dudes.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah wow.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
But I can't I can't probably express the ways in
which that was so helpful, just being around you, being
able to like truly be myself at home and at work.
And I think, you know, the whole set felt like that,
where I mean you saw it on the actual episodes
reflected where like everyone was welcome, everything was celebrated, and

(20:39):
then behind the scenes it was even more so. I
think where the crew was so accepting of each other
and of us, and everyone was like, you're going to
work with like some pretty tough dudes, and like they
loved this show and they loved the gage so much,
like people that you would necessarily like I probably wouldn't

(21:00):
have felt comfortable like being myself in front of it was
like that didn't matter, and so like it was very
educational for me, and you sort of like held my hand.
I think through all.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Of that, Oh, thank you, Kevin. I'm glad I could
be there. And yeah, I mean I think and I
think again, that's just like I think that has a
lot to do with, like, you know, those lines being
blurred between like personal life and professional life and and
a lot of times I think that's tricky issues and yeah,
I can be but I think a lot of times
that it creates maybe those environments you're talking about where

(21:31):
everyone's a little more comfortable to be themselves a little
bit more or like you know, and then ultimately, like
I am against the idea of like holding back any
part of yourself anyway, So I think probably my natural
tendency is to like draw that out of people. If
there's yeah, for sure, holding something back.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Which is sort of like you and Meg's ended up
being like the perfect duo because she very much I
think echoes that in her own way, like everyone trusts her, Yeah, nurturer,
which is I felt like she was the correct successor.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, I really did need. That was a funny thing too,
because you know, luckily with being in a position like
a pare, you're easily replaceable, but like in the sense
of like because you were not when we come in
and like there's it's it's again. It's all those like
once you know the ropes, you can kind of get
to the ropes anywhere. But as funny as I like

(22:25):
was moving on from this set, I was like, oh God,
who's gonna like this just can't be anyone like trying
to be a successor in that you know, it's someone
who's yes, it's really not you know, and it's like
there's a lot of leadership that goes on with it. It's
like it's a funny position where I always said it
was like on set I had to tell people what

(22:47):
to do without making it seem like I was telling
them what to do or like it was their idea
or it was you know this sort of or interrupt
conversations without being rude, Like it's just these weird little
soft skills that you need, yes, and ultimately end up
in being like being able to command the room or
get I mean. And this was not and it's not
even a way of saying like everyone was acting so

(23:09):
crazy that they needed someone special to like rein it
in or it's like no, just like the sheer volume
of people like fifteen afters touched up and on.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Set, yes, is like at the same time, it's hurting
Castle more.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
And it's like not any that's not the normal. That's
not the normal thing.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
So yes, it's not, it's not. It was a lot
to take on and then especial, Yeah, you was crazy.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
I was actually thinking about this the other day because
I was like thinking like, oh, Kevin must be like
he must almost he must be like almost thirty two
or something. And then I was like, wait a second,
he's only like a few years younger than me, like
he's thirty five. And then I was like when we
met and you were like twenty four, It's like that's

(23:57):
what there's like. So it's like I remember being like,
oh my god, I'm so much older than this kid. Yeah,
learn and dah da da da and it's like and
then jenneb you being like two years you know in
between oh she knows you know and I are basically
the same age, but like the young kid is not.
And then now I'm like, okay, no, we're the same age.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
I remember feeling like all of my twenties, I was
like Chris and I felt like I'm always around older people.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Oh I'm always Oh my god, Wow, okay the kid
comes out.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, well in the same age.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, yeah, we are.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
So yes, I was young when I thought I wasn't
young starting out fly. I look back now and I'm like,
it was a baby child.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Now when you were when you were passing the torch
over to megs d after all those we did we
pushed you. No, we're encouraging you, but tell us, like,
I'm curious to hear in your mom mind. Did you
hit a breaking point? Was there a point where you're like,
I got to get out of here, or what was

(25:07):
it that made you How did you get to the
next level? In the Ryan Murphy camp, well.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
What happened with my so I guess it was very
early on. It was like season one. The producers were
very much, like I got really good feedback from them,
and in that like we want you here, we want
you to work with us, we want to promote you
when we can. We don't know what that is or

(25:36):
what it'll look like, but that was sort of like
part of the discussion for me really starting early on,
which was great. At one point. I think it was
actually season at the end of season two into season three.
Matt Hodson was Ryan's assistant at the time, and it
was being promoted and he you know, so that position available.

(26:01):
I talked to him about that. I was still at
that point, so to answer maybe the breaking point question,
like at that point, I was still like into being
on set, wanting to be on set, like being Ryan's
assistant like had its appeal, but like, wasn't weighing out
the on set job at that time. It's funny, I

(26:23):
have lots of like sliding doors moments of like what
if I had done that, Yeah, right, would have changed.
But anyway, so so I think then and then I
guess it was midway or you know, towards the end
of season three that the script coordinator was fired or
left or something and so that position was available, which
I didn't really know a lot about the position, but

(26:46):
after finding out that it's sort of like a you know,
a liaison between the writers in the production office and
you sort of handle this the formatting and proofreading of
the scripts and the continuity of the show and things
like that. That definitely felt like also in my wheelhouse
as skills were concerned and seemed appealing. And so by

(27:07):
the time that came around, I think with the season
three and just feeling like, yeah, maybe I felt like
there was enough appeal there where I was like, Okay,
I can leave this behind. I think maybe I feel
like also i'd maybe like hit a ceiling on set
where it was like what more can I do? As

(27:29):
fart like there, you know, because it's like taking on
more responsibility on set is like a whole other DGA,
like a d thing, right, which was like the path
I wanted to go down, right.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
You sort of like maxed out what you could do.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Because it was like a new thing that didn't really exist.
It was like its own thing. It kind of felt
like it had grown to where it could grow. And
then yeah, and there was something really exciting about for
me about like taking on new responsibilities in the writer's office,
like getting closer to the writing process and in turn

(28:05):
just learning a lot more about actually about how the product,
how production works, you know. So it was so it
didn't I didn't reach a breaking point. I think I
reached a point where I think with like with anything,
there's like when you're doing the same thing over and
over again, and there's like maybe some resentment that builds

(28:28):
up that was like the job, not so much of
the people. And then so yeah, I think I was
just ready to move on because I also loved the
idea of having regular office hours and not because the
thing that is so wearing about being on set in
a crew is that you're there the whole time, right

(28:48):
there all day long, right, and so it was like, yeah,
so it's just like a lot of time and so and.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
You're there before us and after us.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah, and for the scene. You know, it's like if
we have you know, acchoir room scene in the beginning
of the day, but then the rest of the day
it's just a little start. It's like, you know, you're
there for everything, Yeah, all scenes with one or two
actors to the big group numbers. But I think a
lot of the reasons maybe I didn't take that first
opportunity to like get off set. There was a little

(29:22):
bit of like fomo too and like part of the
group and like being there for those times. And then
I think when it looked like I don't know, maybe
it just happened this way, but like it sort of
felt like after season three anyway, like with this, you know,
story wise, with the half of the group going to
New York, and then like it felt like a disjointed
different thing anyway. And at this point again it was

(29:43):
like I was secure enough with all of my relationships
with people on set. I was like, okay, well and
we're all still working on the same project, so it's
like I'm not right. It's like we're gonna maybe spend
a little less space to face time together and that's okay.
And and ultimately, yeah, it's just like going to every
department and getting their time sheets and just those little

(30:03):
like as it's been three years, like I can't keep
doing this.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
I remember us having conversations with you. We were like, Telly,
like we want you here, kind of like you kind
of go and I remember you like really taking your
I remember at the end of season two and you're
considering that, and it also just felt like, well, I
also want to be with like these people I love
every day, and like you built this position into like

(30:32):
what it was right, and it was like your thing,
Like this was like fully your position that you created
out of nothing on set, and like it felt like
there was pride in that. And also it's like going
to do something else, you have found something you were
really good at and you were irreplaceable, and it was

(30:54):
sort of like, okay, then I have to just like
even though you're in the same production, you're working with
other people at your already know but a different capacity,
it still felt like that would be scary and terrifying
because it's like.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah, there's felt like something I think too, Like I
always had it in the back of my head, like
I know this isn't going to last. Like I know
this isn't going to last, like you know, Like again,
being an EPO baby, I was very exposed and from
a very early age of like the realist the realistic
nature of of TV and that yeah, there's you know,

(31:28):
scarce times and there are good times, there's everything in between,
and that like you know, like so to try to
enjoy it and know that it wasn't gonna last. But
then at the same time, there was this feeling of like, oh,
it's like so precious and if it ever changes, then
what's going to happen? Like it needs to be this way.
And then I think that that maybe was more in

(31:50):
the water at the beginning of season three, and then
towards the end of season three, I think it was like,
you're already something should change here in order to sustain this,
because this isn't sustainable.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Because you started at the very beginning with us and
went on tours with us that nobody else in production
did like that until Meg's joined. But what was that
experience like seeing I don't know the public or like
the growth of the show because you were in that
bubble where we did the first twelve and nobody saw
it and then it went from now we're doing an

(32:32):
international tour. Like from your perspective, what was that experience?

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah? That was it was wild. It was yeah. So
you know when I started, I you know again like
I've seen my dad, my members of my family like
make shows and then they are great and then they
disappear and then who knows. So it's like I knew
this was happening in a vacuum. I think it was
the day that we were shooting Stay a Little Prayer

(33:01):
that I saw that because I had never seen a rehearsal.
I hadn't seen it whatever like I did. I'd maybe
read a script at this point, but I was sort
of like, okay, like what is this show? And then
like saw it and saw the like like the way
that it was like on the page, it was just
like they've performed a song. And then it was like,
oh no, like these these are like singers and dancers
who are like Corey Group dancing to a choreograph song

(33:24):
like and like the way that it worked in the
story too. I was like, oh, this is really going
to like hit in a way like I was like,
so I knew from them that it was going to
be like wild but interesting, and then to see the
rest of the stuff we did that season was just
like wow, and no one's even seen this yet, like
this is right. So I think that going from there.

(33:45):
I mean I remember being on the first tour. It
was the last leg of the first tours, was like
Radio City Music Hall and Ryan would call the show.
You know, we'd have like a little moment at the
beginning and everyone would make a speech, and I remember
I was like, I'm going to say something here because
this was like the last you know, so this is
the last leg of this trip and where Radio City

(34:06):
Music Hall and I referenced and I said to all
of you, like I remember being like in that dark
auditorium watching You'll Do Somebody to Love, like over and
over and over and just like as an audience won
and just like loving it so much and feeling like
it was so special and so intense, and then like
and look where we are now. Now you're performing for

(34:26):
thousands of people at Radio City Music Hall. Like that
wasn't lost on me then, and then it just kept compounding,
like the next year. It's like going from I think
always going on tour was like a way to check
the temperature of what is happening out there, because yes,
we all had Twitter, and Twitter was new, and it
was like there was definitely a sense there of like

(34:49):
what the fandom was like, but it was like to
be to be like physically barricading your bodies, just like
going from a van to a hotel lobby and like
hearing the screams of that arena and like I remember
Indianapolis for some reason was like it was the best

(35:09):
wow smelloping and just to you know, so to see
that and to have, you know, to have literally witnessed
it going from this like little thing and like sneaking
into rehearsals in the tin shed and like right, oh,
and like getting to know everyone and like knowing what

(35:30):
people's backgrounds were and like, Okay, this person has a
lot of experience in dance, and Jenna has the experience
in theater, and like you, Kevin has experience in music,
and like and that, Like I always thought that was
really cool how everyone like brought a little bit of
something but that of their own, but like the like
speed with which it like became one cohesive thing, and

(35:53):
like it became like emblematic and iconic in this way
of like you know, you're characters were, and I think
like a lot of that had to do with the
show and the costumes and everything, but it's like there
was just this like thing where everyone became it became
this phenomenon and then it was that and it was
like unstoppable.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Hmmm. I remember on tour there was one city. I
don't know if you remember what city it was where
we were able to go see the fans. Like most
of the tour, we weren't able to go and meet
the fans. It was just impossible. There were too many
people and it was dangerous. There was one city there
was chainling fences around the parking lot and somehow till

(36:35):
they got a golf cart, yes, and you round. I
think it was Chicago, and we were like waving at
the fans and we would drive up and we would
sign through the chainling fence. We would sign people's posters.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Maybe it was I don't know, the Chicago we were
able to like actually interact with the pot It was.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
You know. I think I remember that because man was
tweeting me about they have like shirts.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, gifts for us, right.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yes, That's the other thing I'll say is about sort
of when I realized too that like maybe this has
gone beyond like what was expected. Was like also a
radio city music hall, and I like was like having
a bat. It was a stressful day and there was
like some shit going on. I was like I just
need a second. I went out of the stage door
and I like sat down on the curb and just

(37:25):
like looked at my phone for a minute or whatever
and just like took a breath and came back in
and like checked my tweets and it was like four
tweets being like oh we see you Toddle or like whoah,
like people are tweeting me and having recognized me. And
then it was like the next year it was like
people were screaming my name as I left the arena,
or like I would walk or and everyone would scream

(37:47):
and ask me for autographs or they'd be like I
have gifts for you, and it was sort of like, uh,
like what's going on here? Like it's very like if
you know you know, but also yeah, where it was
like how do you know who? I'm the guy who
like it's cool? No, no, no, you know, I think yeah

(38:08):
it was. It was It was definitely nothing i'll witness
like I you know, I'm lucky to have witnessed it.
I think it was a totally singular experience of life
to like have like been with the show as it
went from you know, it's infancy into this like into
today where it's still this thing. It's like on Wheeldy

(38:32):
growing like massive things that's just like he's creating and
keeps reinventing and living on. And you know, I don't
think there was a day that I tried to that
I took it for granted that I was pinching myself
throughout the whole time, because it was just, Yeah, it
was definitely in the back of my mind, I had
that like, this is never really going to happen again.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Do you have any numbers to stick out in your
head that you remember when you you were watching while
we were shooting that, or anything that was of note
or yours one on.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
I definitely got a lot braver as far as where
I would be and what I would be doing during
the filming of the seas because like the first season thing,
I was literally outside the auditorium, like making sure nobody
walked in a lot of the numbers. But so and
you know, things like stealing away for a rehearsal when
you guys were in ursal and stealing away and then

(39:28):
like someone's missing, so like I'll stand in for someone
for a whole rehearsal. So it's like, right, a lot
of that happened for me in season three. And you
can learn choreo total, we can dance, yes, thank you.
It is one of my many talents. Give that. I
remember standing in for Corey for Empire State of Mind,
so I knew that whole dance, so it was like
I could do that dance. I always always, always loved

(39:54):
the Treble Tones trouble Tones, and they're any of their
numbers and have distinct memories of dancing in the wings
with both to those numbers when ye just and to
be like upper body of choreography too, yes, exactly, I'd
love the new directions, but yeah, geographically challenged people in

(40:20):
that group, which really maybe limited the scope of choreography.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
But I'm calling for Trouble.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Tones was always fun because it was like, oh my god,
you're moving your You're moving your neck and your hips
all the same time. But you know, I think there
was always there was always something really special for me
about like being in the auditorium, especially if it was
like dark and I could just like sit there and
take it all in. Like I mean, any time the

(40:50):
amber had a solo, I was just like sitting there
completely wrapped yea.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
But you know, I think and so I think I
just like lots of little and fun memories and always
what was always great and exciting about it as a
PA and as a script coordinator was like seeing it
on the page, how it was written and what it was,
and then in the first part of the show, being
like so surprised with like whoa, I had no idea,
like the set was going to look like this, so

(41:19):
that there was going to be pyrotechnics or like everyone
was going to be dressed in this costume or whatever.
You know, It's like it's kind of that stuff when
you're not in a production meeting. You know, no, that's
all happening. And so the excitement of like showing up
on set and being like what is it going to
look like? It was exciting or like hmm, or you know,

(41:39):
like I remember with like True Colors, it was just
like they sing True Colors. And then like showing up
and it was like Jenna as it was your solo
and like I had no idea, and it was like,
it's just so exciting to have that like and then
it's like, oh, like listening to it for the first time, yeah,
for the hundredth time, just like you know, like finding
that excitement in it each time. So I have like

(42:00):
lots of great memories of watching the numbers and participating
in the numbers when I could and always yeah, yeah,
and just like being there. I was, but you know,
always loved the group numbers. The big splashy one Somebody
to Love was always, you know, I always have fund
memories of that one.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
And yeah, that's a special one for sure.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
And then yeah, on the tour, I like worked my
way into the safety dand so that was always a
nice big number Riverdee Mountain High. It was like willing
to watch. Also there was the aspect of like watching
everyone else, like when it was solos or duets, It's
like watching everyone else's reaction was always really fun, especially
if it was like a special guest star or whatever like.

(42:46):
So it was like, right, numbers were always a big
fun thing to do. A lot of other there were.
They're huge undertakings a lot of the time, so they
were a daunting But it was also especially those rehearsals,
for its very very exciting.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Speaking of guest stars, yes, you got to interact with everyone,
like yeah, and form close personal relationships with some of them,
that's right.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I mean seasons four or five and six, I was
no longer on set, so I while I did meet
some of those guests I didn't really like interact with
some of the most The last special guests are on
set that I like was working with was Woo Pee Goldberg,
which was like so cool. I was like, I literally
still sometimes I'm like what she was Also like it

(43:34):
was crazy that how many people were all the time.
But yeah, again, like I think I approached that in
a in that same way of like they're just like
they're they're here just like any other actor or any
other day players here. So like I went in with
just like that's you know, it's always helpful to like

(43:56):
have what you're gonna say rehearsed. And on that show,
it certainly was just like a very routine thing to
like welcome someone to set. But yeah, I think I
never was I never really was like intimidated by anyone.
So I think that helped in like helping to establish
that that dynamic. But also it was like so exciting.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I mean, your bond with Gwyneth was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Gwyneth loved you.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Gwyneth and I hit it off really well, which was
amazing and hilarious, and yeah, and it was always it
was again, it would just come out from like hanging
out on set and just like we would all just
be like Gavin and with each other. And it was
like there were some some start some guest stars who
you knew were like there to do the job and

(44:43):
that's great, and they're like they've got other shit going
on and they're in and out and whatever. But it's
like some were like also just there to hang Yeah,
totally and wanted to and they're sitting there in the
chairs between takes, like getting the goss and wanting to
know who's who.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yes, and yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
So she she was definitely there. She was into play.
She was there to play fun. And you know, also
it was really cool and kind of like humbling to
see a lot of these huge stars that you've like
admired for your life and then they come in and

(45:25):
to see them kind of like because you throw in
like music and dance and and then all of a
sudden they're you know, back at sort of square one,
and you can see how nervous they are or how
like this is so far out of what they normally do,
and it's like it's sort of this humbling thing where
you're like, oh, yeah, like are people too all people

(45:49):
that are terrified and dancing, you know, you know, whatever
it is, it's like, it's like so just to like
be exposed to it on that level too, was always
really yeah, humbling and reassuring that just like nobody here
really knows. That was another thing too about Glee. It's
like you had to kind of maybe realize a little later,

(46:11):
Like and certainly as I'm listening to episodes of your
podcast and hearing from people like Ryan, it's like none
of us knew what we were doing. Everyone was flying
by the seat of their pants. Yea, you know, and
that includes like everyone starts, that includes the guest stars.

(46:36):
So your pa, Yeah, then you do script coordinator for
how long? So I started script coordinating. I think the
first episode I script coordinated was promised source So that
was end of three. So I did a few episodes
of season three, and then I did all of season four,
season five, and season six as script coordinator. And season six,

(47:00):
which was I think only thirteen episodes. I was actually
in the writer's room for those episodes and wrote one
of those episodes of the six I did have the
credit of writer amazing technically by the end, which is
very cool. Moving on up, Yeah, it was like it
was a It was very It was a nice place

(47:22):
to end up just in terms of like the scope
of my own like path on the show. It felt
very accomplished, but also like felt like, yeah, I sort
of like when I left Glee moved on to Scream
Queens and was there, it sort of felt like, oh, okay,
I'm now at like the bottom of the next like

(47:44):
there had been a graduation of sorts where yeah, I
like moved you know, being in being in the writer's
room with Glee was super fun super different than being
on set, very uh yeah, a very different environment. And
it's funny because, like I know, it felt like Ryan

(48:08):
like maybe checked out or wasn't involved as involved in
the later seasons, certainly on a production level, but to
the end he was like still coming into that writer's
room and pishing the stories and telling us what the
songs were going to be, like coming in and just
being like it's going to be this episode, and it's
going to be this, this, this and this and then

(48:30):
and it's like so it's like to the end, he
was still involved, and he read every script before it
went out, and he looked at every page, every scene.
I think there was maybe one episode that he did
not like personally read and sign off on before it
went to production. But you know, so he yeah, so

(48:51):
he was always still involved to whatever degree, but to
be in that writing room and see like how it
worked and how he clicked and how the shorthand, even
though it was the full staff at that time, like
the shorthand he had with Ian and with Brad and
with everyone really and sort of and like ultimately, you know,

(49:12):
because I had I don't have. I didn't have a
lot of writing experience. Didn't want to be you know,
like stepping on any toes. But what was cool about
Glee is the music and the fact that like that's
a super really easy thing to pitch when you're like
starting out in a room you're like where you're like

(49:33):
you might feel a little bit funny about pitching a
storyline or like especially when so much is handed down
from above, Like it was. Having that sort of like
that very basic element of the script was like a
really good, like easy sort of like playground to play in.
Yeah that went because you got I got the sense

(49:57):
of a pitch falling flat, I got the sense of
hitting I got you know, like I got songs on
the show that I pitched and that you know, never
would have been on there had I not, which is great,
but but it's but it's just songs. It's not like
it's not your own ideas and your own writing, which
you know as a writer that that definitely comes up

(50:18):
that sort of those feelings of rejection. But m yeah,
So it was definitely a different pace being in the
writer's office and a whole different beast than being on set.
But it was What was nice and similar is that
I feel like there was a chance to sort of

(50:39):
put my own stamp on things as far as like
how the job was done. It helped that I knew
everyone in the production so well, because right definitely you're
you know, you know the right people to tell the
right information too. But ultimately, I think it it was
like a way for me to pivot to working a

(51:01):
little bit more directly with the you know, creative producers
and get a little bit closer to the writing process
and eventually in in the writing process, and you know,
so that was sort of I don't know, looking back,
that's sort of just like a really dreamy track to
have taken.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Selfishally, I loved it because I would come hang out
with you. It's alternate between the loft and megs. And
then I would come to you and you like, have
this couch in your office.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
I did.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
It was the best. I would disappear. Oh god, it
was great. I loved those days because I would just
completely disappear.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
That's the great thing about working on a Ryan Murphy shows.
Every office is just decorated so beautifully, so gorgeous. The taste.
Adore the taste. We've got, the taste we have.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Got the I have two questions for you.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Yeah, let's get hit me. I'm in the hot seat now.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
WHOA.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
That's the different master of games as well, that we
would play hot seat, we'd played Mafia, all kinds of
dream wedding.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yes, if we're all just tactics to keep you all
in the same place, and the word they loved to
play them today exactly.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Is there anybody that sticks out to you in your
time on the show, in the crew or on set
every day that just sticks out to you because you
you were like the the meeting of the minds for everybody,
And I'm just curious you like really encountered everybody on

(52:45):
the day to day.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Well, yes, I did feel very strong connections with lots
of people, and even if they weren't strong connections, like yeah,
I was interacting with almost everybody, and to have so
much deep love for so many top of mind, it's
like got to be my girls. Aaron Kruger, mccash and
Kelly Mitchell makeup department heads. Yeah, because you know, work

(53:16):
euro based camp, working closely with the actors, ads and
hair and makeup are kind of always working together, and
you know, they really kind of took me under their
wing early on as like a young green pa and
really kind of like helped me understand what my role

(53:40):
was a little bit better, especially in terms of their
roles were. And they were also I mean just amazing
people to talk with, like incredible experience in the industry, right,
and so just yeah, lots of like I just have
memories of lots of late nights of you know, picking

(54:00):
their brains, having them tell me stories just like of
their youth, of their early experiences like cracking jokes, having
a good laugh, lots of dancing together, and then like
mornings in the trailer just like sack whatever, talking about
anything and everything and just sort of hanging out. And

(54:22):
like also I was always just so in awe of
the work, their work that they did. Yeah, incredible, she
could be said of Zach Woodley. I mean Zach was
more of like a rock star kind of like I'd
like cool kid on campus vibe. Like never did I
feel like he was ignoring me or anything. But he
had that like a bit of an elusiveness. So it's

(54:44):
like there would be times where Zach would pass by
and he'd be like, you come with me, and we'd
like go out and have a cigarette, and I was like,
oh my god, Zach wants to hang out with me.
This is the coolest thing ever. Yes, Yeah, so Zach
definitely I had. I always cherished time spent with back
on set again personally, but also just like always in

(55:06):
awe of like how quickly he could work and how
quickly he could adapt, and you know, the ways in
which he interacted with with the cast or whoever it was.
You know, that's all stuff that like I picked up on.
And you know that's the cool thing too about being
on set as a PA is like you're kind of

(55:29):
in the middle of everything, but you really get a
great idea of like what every department does, what it's
possible for and how they do it to the point
where you know you're you're able to witness like everyone's
impeccable work from like one vantage point and that's really
really cool. Yeah, I mean there was the list could

(55:49):
go on and on, but you know, those are some
top of mind people on it. But every day was
like it was like summer camp or school in this
amazing way where you could just like it's like, wow,
we get to hang out again tomorrow all day and
like I'm when I talk to this person or it's
like you know, if it's like this from Electric or
you know, Joey from the Camera department or whatever, it's

(56:11):
just like I'm gonna sit and learn more about these
people because I'm spending more time with them than I
am with my own family. So true.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Second question, what is the feeling that Glee leaves you with?

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Oh God, how was time to have for that one?
There are many feelings that Glee leaves me with. I
think most of all it's pride, Like I'm so proud
of myself for the work I know I accomplished, but
you know, more over everyone else, you guys, especially like

(56:54):
those people I just mentioned in the crew, it's just
like a sense of like you like a deep satisfaction
and pride of like wow, like look what we did,
like what look what we did every day? And yeah,
so I think that that it's among many many other feelings.

(57:16):
There's definitely just yeah, a strong sense of pride.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
It's a good one, Thank you, a good one.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
I just got TEARI eyed.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
I can talk about the anxiety, the anxiety if you
want that.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
For another episode.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah, we watched the breakup the breakup episode, and there
was a flashback of Corey and I sobbed Telly. Yeah,
not to bring up sad things, but after Corey passed,

(57:58):
you were in the writer's and I just remember you
texting me because we were all obviously very off, you know,
like shit was weird. Everything felt weird. It sort of
felt like we were trudging through deep water. No one
really wanted to be there, right, we know how to
be And I remember you saying, it's just so weird

(58:23):
to keep showing up to the same place where we
spent the most time with him, and like we have to, right,
you can't like you can't leave escape it, right, and
we're like we're still within the same four walls every
single day, And I remember in one brother was like,
oh my god, he's right. That is so sad and upsetting.

(58:43):
But the flip side of that was, Oh, thank god,
I'm surrounded by these people who know this specific experience
and there's.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
So many of us and you don't have to laying
it to no.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
And it was my first time, you know, dealing with
grief in any sort of way like that, and it
was nice to be able to have people around me
who could voice it in different ways, verbalize in different ways,
to explain things that I didn't know how to identify
within myself.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Yeah, and I think like those are various experiences with
grief in my I've always learned and noticed that it's
like you do learn like everyone does it a different way,
and there's something you can kind of learn or pick
up on from everyone that year that's with you there
in that In that case, it was it was a

(59:31):
strange time season four though, is uh. I feel like
there was a little bit of like creative freedom in
those episodes that they put in three. So I wonder
if on a rewatch that I might not like season
four a little bit more than I remembered liking it,
just know, I'm really big swings. I don't know what
are your impressions.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
So people are telling us it's not that good, but
so far we're what four episodes, and I guess at
this point, yeah, I'm really liking it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
There are big swings, but I think they're pretty successful
thus far. Yeah, yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
This is like all of the new It's very like
Lost when Lost season four was new People last four wards?
Where are what we do? That's not like Lost at all?

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Right, you're totally right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
So Kelly texted me, I don't know, probably a year
ago now, being like, I've been listening to the podcast
and you've been getting some things wrong. I did, and
I don't know if you have a running list or
if you remember any of this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
And then I did. I sort of did, but then
I didn't. I wasn't listening consistently enough and then and
it wasn't that things were wrong, it's just that Okay,
So you know, the three of us often are speaking
together on the phone, especially you know around Christmas. Yes,
we're having lots of convos, having lots of face time. Anyway,

(01:00:56):
So there there was something about there is something about
listening to your podcast that makes me just feel like
I'm on a conference call with you, so being like
where you guys will be like what was it? Like
was it this? Was it that? Like where were we?
And I'll know the answer as all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Are you yelling at us out? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
And then so there were just like some examples of that,
you guys being like, yeah, maybe it was this, and
I'm like, no, no, it was the other one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
That's funny, that's really funny.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
There's been any likeagious inaccuracies.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
I wouldn't be surprised if things just little things.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Well, no, Telly's got a steel trap.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
You know. Now you're in the now, you're in the later,
the latter half when I was in charge of the continuity.
So maybe I'll have some more great some more. Maybe
So I'll listen. I'll listen to a few and see
if there's anything. But I was thinking, and I will
just add this. I don't know if this is even
something that you want to hear, but I was thinking

(01:02:05):
about how I was so good at the continuity right
because I was like I was on set for all
these scenes. I know exactly what who was talking to
whom and about what, Like no, this reference is wrong.
It wasn't that. But there's this like one thing that
still haunts me to this day that I missed. Oh yes,
tell us please please, probably coming up in the Thanksgiving
episode season four, is there's that scene at the prom

(01:02:32):
Maybe it's at the prompt anyway, it's the end of
season three with Rachel and Quinn in the bathroom, and like,
someone gives someone a train ticket, doesn't Rachel give Quinn
a train ticket to visit her at visitor whatever? Yes,
So many episodes later.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Q gives Rachel, Quinn gives Rachel the ticket.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Okay, so later in the Thanksgiving episode it's referenced and
where Quin's like, she never even used that train ticket.
I got her, but really it was Rachel who got
it for Quinn and not Quinn who got it for Rachel.
And I made that mistake and I went all the
way to the show and I don't even know if

(01:03:12):
anyone ever caught it, but I was like, this is
my this is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
My glaring, this is you publicly outing yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
I'm responsible for that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Look, there are worse things. Yeah, telling the worst thing.
I wouldn't I wouldn't worry too much about it. I
hope you don't just sleep over it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
I hope you seen really well tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Chest There's no way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
I'm glad we could provide you a platform for that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Yeah. My salvation is here and it's always been us long.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Well, You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
So much. Anytime. I'd love to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
And I think it'd be really fun to do an
episode recap with you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Fabulous you know which one. I'd love to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Okay, great, look at look at for and see if
there's anything that sticks.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Out for sure. Thank you so much for doing this.
Bye bye bye, Oh Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Oh sweet tea. Man. I honestly it's like without Telly
there is no gly No.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
I don't I honestly don't know how anything would have
gotten done, and it scares me to think about. Obviously,
the rules were sort of the structures were a little
bent when we were making the show because Kelly did
feel so many different obligations that are not part of

(01:04:43):
a normal job description. And if you had someone come
in who was very by the book about it, I
just don't know what. I don't know what that experience
would have been like, because it's it's hard to separate
the joy that you see on screen from the joy
we felt behind the scenes on set, right, and I

(01:05:06):
think a lot of that was created. A big part
of that was Telly, but it was also every crew
member where we were all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Just well, Which is why I think when people say
a lot of guests on the show come on and
they say it, you'll it'll never happen again. Like I
it was a really special crew, a really special set.
I think that's why was because it felt like a
family and everybody did integrate in a way that doesn't

(01:05:34):
always happen on set. And it's also there's not always
time for it. But we were spending time more time
with our crew and our cast than our own families. Yeah,
and so when it's a lot of like to you know,
two hand or scenes onlike you know what I mean, Like,
it's it's a different dynamic.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
So but you're right to your point. I don't I
don't want to imagine a Glee without Telly and without
our family, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
I think it also speaks to like the type of
show we were making. I think it had never really
done been done before in this way. I think people
felt really proud of it, right, and it was something
their whole family could watch. It was something that they
could be proud of us punning awards.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
It was very.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Successful, right, and there was no when you are singing
songs every day and getting to watch those performances, I
think it does something for your like psyche of Yeah,
we may have to be here fifteen sixteen hours a day, but.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Look what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Yeah, we could do something really fun.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
And then also on top of that, once it came
out and you could see how positively it was impacting
people right and representing people, that's just the whole other thing.
And so I think it was just I think Telly
was right to say pride, you know, is a great
word for it, because all the departments felt it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Yes, Ian used the same one. Well, thanks Kelly for
coming on. I hope you guys enjoyed that episode with
our team. Man, thanks for.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Joining us, and that's what you really meant.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
I came more.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
And finally I gotta tell you thanks for listening and
follow us on Instagram at and that's what you really
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Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
See you next time,