May 20, 2024 • 57 mins
Grab your tissues because it's time for the breakup episode.
Jenna and Kevin relive the drama and heartache of "The Break Up," including Blaine and Kurt's ending, Rachel and Finn's goodbye, Santana and Brittany's split, and their frustrations with Will and Emma!!
Plus, Kevin opens up about the scene that made him cry so hard, and he gets a little teary-eyed while discussing it.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And That's what you Really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to and That's what You Really miss podcasts.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hello Kenn, Hey Jenna.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Wow, this is a big one. This is a really
big one.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It is I'm scared. I'm scared about this one because
people have a lot of thoughts and feelings about this episode.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well obviously, yeah, I mean if they didn't care, we'd
be in trouble.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
And even like knowing that it's this episode, it's season
four episode for the Breakup, aired October four, twenty twelve.
But even knowing it's called the Breakup and knowing there's
going to be breakups, it still didn't really prepare me
properly for the intensity of this episode and very true.
(00:57):
Can imagine the cleek chaos that ensued after fans watching
this when it was actually on.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
For sure, Well let's let's talk about it. So let's
get through this news. This news. The number one song
was One More Night by Moroun five again and a
number one movie. Okay, Hotel Transylvania. Didn't see it, didn't
see it?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Cool?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Heard about it. I know this is an animated film,
but didn't see it. Well, you have a kid now,
so maybe this will show up in your life at
some point. You're right, you know what, when she's old enough.
I bet you.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, that is true. I mean because the cast stack
Adam Sandler, Andy Sandberg, Selina Gomez, Kevin James, Stevemy, Molly Shannon,
come on.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Okay, fine, well of course it's number one then, okay,
Glee News this week. So on October thirteen, some of
the Glee cast attended the premiere of American Horror Story. Asyluce,
that's that's season two?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Is it season two? I remember going to this.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I see a picture of you in uh.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Really phoned it in with this outfit here.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And your outfit is Your haircut was very NLT time,
look like elder Emo style.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I would sometimes straighten my hair and I'm not sure why.
It was very of the time.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
It was very of the time. It was appropriate. It worked.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I mean it didn't work for me, but it did
work for some people. I still did it though, No,
it worked.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
It's just funny to look back on it now.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It's very it's dated. It's it's a dated look.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
And I see Lean Quarry on this carpet looking very close.
I mean, yeah, I think this was not the premiere
as a couple though. I think it was like the
Crystalist Ball or something that they go to every year,
and I think they came out on that carpet and
that was the first time. I don't remember, but yes.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
This was an easy one for us to attend because
it was at Paramount where we were shooting. So I
remember we got ready and just went over. It was
me and Corey and Chris and I and Leah and
Cored and Melissa, Jacob, Becca, Alex Dean, Lauren Dott and Jane.
You decided to you could have been working.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I could have been working. Maybe I could have also
opted out. I did go to Horror Story three, I
think the season three premiere. Anyway, it was an easy
one to get to, so I'm not sure why it
wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
But she was crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So this episode was directed by the one and only
Alfonso Gomzrah. Of course you can tell as you watch it.
The storytelling is excellent.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Really, I was confused by who directed it, and then
you and I started texting, and then once it gets
towards the end, you're like, oh, wow, this is a
Fonso episode.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Okay, I knew pretty early on. Okay, the songs in
this episode are Barely Breathing by Duncan Chic. Ironically he
will go on to right Spring Awakening.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, no, he hasn't.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Written it already, but post this song correct. Yes, give
Your Heart a Break by Demi Lovato, Teenage Dream acoustic
live version, Don't Speak by No Doubt Mine by Taylor Swift,
and The Scientist by Coldplay. So watching this episode, obviously,
(04:34):
I was like, I don't remember what's in this episode.
I was watching it with my ex slash bff Marco,
who's staying with you right now.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's complicated and he's like, what is this episode? Called him?
Like the Breakup? He's like, isn't this Scientist in this? How?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
See? You know? Viewers were much more tuned in than
we were.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Version of The Scientist. He was singing all the different Wow,
that's the.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
One that stuck out for me though, I mean they
were all quite good, but that's the one that really
stuck out for.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It makes sense watching it again. So there's a lot
of fun facts for this episode. As we mentioned, Teenage
Dream was live and Darren's personal arrangement, but the vocals,
the piano, all of it was done whilst filming, which
never happens.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I had to look it up. I was watching him
perform this and was like, does he have perfect pitch
or is this recorded? And in this song, I was like,
he sounds pre recorded. He sounds so clear on this song,
(05:42):
and I had to google and see if it was
live or if it was in a pre record.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It makes sense, I understand. Alfonso seems like someone who
would be down for this because you're not able to
really show the emotion in a pre recorded track and
this totally full song and performance is emotion all performance.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Apparently.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Darren also also allegedly pitched Don't Speak as the breakup song,
which was the breakup song Well damn.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Teeny Dream is the second song that got released a
second time with a different arrangement. The first was Don't
Stop Believing. I mean we end up doing like eight
few of that. Yeah. Yeah. After details of this episode
were leaked during filming because they were shooting in public
spaces in New York so people could actually see them
walking around breaking up, Darren wrote a letter to the
(06:37):
fans of the show that led some people to believe
his character would be leaving and you can actually find
the letter online.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
He loves that stuff, doesn't he Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I mean, there's no world in which they're writing blame
off at this point. But I appreciate the fun talk.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
He had the second most songs and anyone he wasn't
going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I appreciate the the game he played with our with
our fans or theusiams.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And this is fun.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So Kurt's work number apparently is two one two five
five five one four five two. Uh, this seems like
a more legit or plausible number than most numbers you
hear in uh other TV shows.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I mean they're always five, five five, right, And.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I guess I guess the two one two is like
something that I was like, Oh wow, they used the
area code too.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
But maybe that's just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Something that I just noticed.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
When Emma says, oh, my goodness, mister Schuster goes to Washington,
it is a reference to the nineteen thirty ninth film
Mister Smith Goes to Washington. Very cute.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That was probably that was probably an Ian reference. And
this is the first fourth episode of a season in
which no new member joins Lea Lee Club. We'll see
something later. We'll get that one episode later. But Puck, Mike,
and Matt joined Pregger, Sam joins in duets where I
joins in pot of gold, and yeah, that's interesting. That's
(08:06):
a fun little thing.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Prior to this episode airing, in a tweet, Ryan dubbed
this the best episode we have ever done. It's probably
because I wasn't in it at all. Yeah, you and
I were in one scene. That seems like finally a
good episode.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I literally watched this and I had to text Kevin
afterwards because I had figured, like I watched it pretty
far in advance. So I toes Kevin and I said,
can you just rewind when you're watching it, notice if
I'm in it? Because I didn't even look for myself.
And then I was like, was I in this or not?
And I could have sworn it was because that would
(08:41):
have been something memorable in my mind that I had that.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
But we were.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
We were in that one scene returns.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, we're in one scene. And I also, the only
thing I kept holding onto is like, I know, I
was in one hundred straight episodes, So you were in this.
I'm like, I got to be in here somewhere. Funny,
I barely make it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Let's go couple by a couple, because I think that's
the way this is going to pan out.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Is that you think that's right? Yes? And before we do,
here's the summary of this episode. In New York City,
Rachel and Kurt are caught off guard by unexpected visitors. Meanwhile,
Santana and Brittany adjust to their long distance relationship. Hmmm,
wo wow wow.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I guess we open with the with Jake and Marley. Right,
they're bonding over the free lunch tickets. Jake admits that
he is also his mom was doing well and then
ended up working in a restaurant and working for tips,
and so she's he is also on free lunch tickets
and kind of finds his way in with Marlee there
(09:54):
and they bond. But I just we have to get
through this because most ridiculous thing I've ever seen, insane.
Kitty invites everybody in the glee club to the Left Behind.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Club that Brittany is also a part of, right, and
it's fully into.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And she's talking about Kitty is talking about this rapture
with a rapture that's undoubtedly going to happen, which is psychotic.
But I find very funny, and then they they stage
a fake rapture on Dottie has a starry because she
(10:39):
doesn't believe that it's actually going to happen. It is unhinged.
It actually is really crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
The ship Becca has to say is bonkers.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I almost texted her about it because I just it's
absolutely I'm also just I'm so impressed with Becca because
she came into the show never having done TV again,
didn't even know what a mark was to hit. But
I feel like in these next two episodes, this episode,
(11:16):
in the next episode, she's owning every scene she's in
because you can't be that dominant of a character and
not crazy dialogue and not take over the scenes. So true,
so true, And I'm just every time she's on screaming,
I don't understand how this is her fourth episode of
TV now, it's so funny, like it's bonkers. She's very
(11:37):
funny though, that's the thing. She's just a very funny human.
So she very translates yea, and it translates. It totally translates,
but really really ridiculous storyline that I actually enjoyed watching.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I felt so bad poor Dottie.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I had the things we do to her and in
particular me, but Kitty in this in this respect, and
so the rapture with the clothes and everything, it's very
funny it is she comes in and is just distraught.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I like that everybody is fully buying into this, though
totally totally.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
But this leads to Jake, Jake kind of breaking up
a kitty, and that will propel us into later with
like the whole love triangle of Katy, Marley and Jake
and getting.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
To the extent of yes, this is most of the
stuff that happens at the school.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
That's it, and other than Finn, because what propels the
rest of these gigantic breakups is an initial scene where
Jake and Marley are bonding and Blaine and Brittany are
watching and like, oh young love, want want, We don't
have that anymore because our significant others are away, but
(12:59):
they should. Yes.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Also, did you notice Brittany's lunch during that scene? No?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
What was it?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Okay? There were two Hamburger sliders and there were holes
punched in them and just fries like little flags sticking
out of both like little plants. I'm sure she did that. Yeah,
but I thought it was very funny, it's cute.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Good observation. Thanks. I thought this episode started off really rough.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Like as in not good, yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And like all of these things for all the different partners.
It all seemed so to me, like disjointed, yes and weird,
like we are just like crowbarring in all of these
situations and like one line is setting everybody off Yes
and a tailspin. Agreed, and I was just like, what
(13:58):
is happening? It felt like bad TV for a hot minute.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I agree with you, I agree with you there. I
think also for me, this was built up as a
very big episode for Lee. You know, Sam, I'm our producer.
It said, like, this is a really big episode. The
fans really feel very strongly about this episode. Obviously, Ryan
you know saying this is one of the best episodes
we've ever done. That's a big statement from coming from him.
(14:23):
And so my expectations were, like, you start with a bang,
you end with the bang, right, this built it totally built, Yes,
And by the mid mid show I was hooked.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I was like in, I got got and we can
you know we'll yeah. Well, the numbers were also all
weird to me too, in the beginning where it was
like everything was just like slow walking and staring.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
And I also felt like some of these numbers came
out of literally somebody ending a line out of nowhere starting.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Which makes me uncomfortable. I'm not a musical girly like
that who just loves people break into.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Song totally, and that's not our It doesn't not always
feel like that either for us for our show.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Because if it does, sometimes it's funny, it's satirical. This
will very like we were taking ourselves very seriously. Agreed,
But I agree with you. I think the last quarter
of this episode, by the time we were doing Teenage Dream,
I was in it. I think mine was a little later.
Mine was fair enough. Don't speak okay, like we'll get to.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
It, but yeah, I will say though Barely Breathing, I
was here for it. I love that song and I
loved their version of it.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yes, I let me be clear, I'm not saying I
did not like the versions of these songs totally. I
think the versions of the songs were all great.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
They just felt a little at I would to listen
to them great now. Yeah, Barely Breathing it will be
on my playlist. In the episode Scientists, different story have
to watch it in the episode. Absolutely, okay, cool. Let's
talk about some other couples then, because this is important.
I think we should talk about Will and Jama before
we get into the main worry.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Let me tell you Will pissing me off. Oh man,
he is? What is it?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
So?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Okay? Will gets on the Blue Ribbon panel to improve
the arts education around the country and we'll be heading
to Washington. Great, joyous. Love that for him, and then
he springs it on Emma, like, come with me. It's
for a few months. You have tenure. It's completely fine.
You can get your job back. And she's like, pump
the brakes, right, that's not my dream, that's your dream.
(16:41):
And I love that for you. But I don't love
that for me. And it's not because I'm scared. It's
because I love my students, right. And he doesn't understand
it and gets all offended, and it was really uncomfortable
to watch, and I just wanted to like slap him.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
He's not listening, that's the problem. And it's infuriating to
watch couples. Even I've been watching a lot of reality
TV right now. It's infuriating to watch toxic couples that
don't know how to communicate. Will we're learning doesn't know
how to communicate. And Jama on the other sorry. Emma
(17:21):
on the other hand, is an excellent communicator, well in
most ways right when it doesn't come to.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
But she's also showing progress. I feel like when to herself,
she hasn't always been the best communicator about like the
shorter topics, but immediately she's like, this isn't my dream,
and it's.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
This is yours, and it's because a few months get
out of here. Yeah, will, Look, I see how he
would want her to go with him, but this isn't
always about Will.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah. And also like, maybe ease into it when you
just initially propose leaving for months from your home and
your place of work, like that can take some time
to wrap your head around totally. And so like, why
are you getting offended that she's not immediately as gung
(18:12):
ho on board as you are. M hm oh oh,
it rubbed me the wrong way. I'm kind of used
to it by now. Didn't get me. Yeah, exactly, I
think because it felt like everybody's learning. You also see
(18:34):
the kids communicating, right, The kids are learning to communicate
more clearly in this episode dealing with complex saying long
distance is hard. Yeah, for sure it is, which is
also funny. So Marco, who I was watching it with,
we were together like seven years. We were long distance
for half of that. Yeah, during these seasons of Glee.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Actually, yes, yes, so it was really funny that we
watched this episode together, right, That is funny. You guys
also did communicate really well, more mature than most people
that I know. So you did very good at that
very open.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I didn't realize everybody was about to break up in
this episode, and I don't really remember this episode, to
be very honest, so I felt like I was watching
this for the first time.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I remember some of it. I also didn't remember they
all broke up, And I also felt like they all
sort of came out of not nowhere. And I mean
it's sort of in a good way, Like there was
each of them had almost a misleading conversation and at
the very end, are like.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
But right, right, right right, And nobody thought like all
three of them were going to go no direction right,
especially Ratio acting.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
The acting was happening. There were so many tears. Everybody
was really really good. Let's start with curtain Blaine Blaine was.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
A kind of instigated or I guess maybe in I
don't know what the word is, inspired by Brittany saying like,
how aren't we supposed to have this like young love
and still be fresh and fun and enjoying ourselves and
et cetera. And Blaine's feeling very lonely and he texts
this guy who says, do you want to come over?
(20:23):
But then we cut to New York where Blaine shows
up at the door where he surprises Kurt.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I also did sort of love the him trying to
call Kurt having the Devils product, like on the phone,
I'm very busy Joan Didion's.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
He is, I love Chris, we love Devil's Product. We
were shooting the show, we would quote Deuvila's Prada often
on set, and so I love that this kind of
came to fruition for Kurt in this way that he
was working at Fogue.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I also love to call out about how Kirk got
his job when Santana's talking about like all he did
was to take pictures of the outfits every day and
got this job, Like what the hell again? One of
those I moments to like let the show reference itself
out exactly. Sorry you were saying, no, well, we didn't know.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
We don't know yet if he actually went over to
his house, the the other the other guy Eli's house
at this point, but I mean we get it during
teenage Dream. Yes. I loved this, I really, I really
(21:48):
I find that Blaine sometimes always gets these very polished,
put together numbers. They're huge, they're in the courtyard, they're
backed up by a thousand singers and dancers. So and
I don't know if it's just because I like seeing
Darren behind a piano like this, but like just to
watch him perform very simp Blaine, very simply that's not
(22:11):
so dalton esque was enjoyable for me. I really I
thought his performance was great. I thought he sounded great.
I always like listening to songs that are redone in
a different way on our show. And it was obviously
because I think this is one of the first numbers
in the episode that felt like he was really driving
(22:35):
the story correct.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah. I also think Blaine seems to be like a
very internal thinker, where Kurt a lot of the time
is vocal where it's hard to sleep, you know what
he's thinking. Blaine, like last was the last episode that
was his first yeah, first voiceover where we're just getting
(23:02):
to know him in that way, and we've learned in
the past when he's had crushes on people didn't even
necessarily realize that he was into Kurt. There's a lot
of things happening beneath the surface. And I do love too,
And it happens again with Santana, and it happens again
with Finn and Rachel's Like the expression of song and
(23:26):
feelings through a song, when done correctly, like I think
is done here, is so much more even powerful than
a spoken emotional monologue. I feel like, yeah, and be
seen Blaine being able to take a song he's already done.
That was such a joyous occasion and something that now
means so much to Kurt and Blaine's relationship and do
(23:47):
it from this really like sad, mournful, regretful place, yes
and all. He was able to capture the energy instead of,
you know, in somebody cheats, they started using the other
person of cheating. He started to become more and more
attached or needy to Kurt in a way like I
need to see you when you see you more. I've
(24:10):
done this thing and I'm panicking, but we don't know
that yet, and it just felt so unsettled, and being
able to also then see that in Chris's face of
like I got something's wrong, yes, leading to that scene
in the park afterwards, and it felt very like their
relationship in a lot of ways feels very grown up,
(24:32):
and how they communicate with one another feels quite mature.
And also seeing the difference in Blaine is still in
high school, Kurt is working at Vogue in New York City,
and there's a difference in how they communicate with one another,
And in that park scene their breakup, Kurt sort of
(24:53):
calls I was like, what cut the shit, what's going on?
And it felt it really felt like the end of
an era, like I think more so than some of
the other breakups, because yeah, yeah, and they were just
(25:15):
both so good in that moment.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
They were It's a very beloved couple and you don't
see a lot of really positive role models on TV
at this time like them, So to break them up
and we heard, you know, like we we saw the
fans response to it. They were up in arms, just
(25:42):
them alone, Kurt and Blaine alone, not including all these
other huge couples Santana Brittany even like and Finchel like
they are that that is enough, right, different episodes exactly
so well done to the two of them. I don't
(26:10):
it's all very up in the air, though it doesn't
all feel so final to me.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, it feels. I think Blaine even references that, right,
He's like Kurt, I didn't even heard from Kurt. I
don't even know if we're broken up. And like the
morning after it felt like that, Like I'm sure you've
been in that situation to so many of us have,
where you have this really honest, brutal, emotionally charged conversation
and it feels like it doesn't necessarily get anywhere, just
(26:40):
like an ellipses on the relationship. Yeah, and it was
it felt like because obviously at the same time then
you have Ventral going through their stuff, and that morning
after scene it almost like a hangover, like an emotional
hangover of what Yeah, Vin is sneaking out. It's it's
(27:02):
a very weird. Yeah, And I think that's where the
Alfonso of it all is. He's able to capture those
Our show is not one that lets things breathe, but
to be honest, right, like we move quickly, we make jokes,
sing songs, right, snap snapsap, YadA, YadA, YadA. Yeah, yeah,
and there was a lot of this. That's why I
(27:22):
think the beginning of the episode to me felt sort
of weird, Like the pacing felt disjointed and weird. But
once you get I think posts that park scene, all
of a sudden like oh shit, we're in Grey's Anatomy. Yea, yeah,
yeah exactly, something more cinematic, exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
That's right, that's right. Well, I guess we'll see what
happens with Blane and Kurt. It feels like the most
unfinished of all of them.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, Like I'm like, I'm not really worried about Will
and Emma. That just seems like a couple fight. This
felt very a good gust the wind and they're done. Done.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, Well he did something that really does break break
up relationships and marriages and all these partnerships whatever it is,
you know.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
And they're young. That's I think it's there's also a
different dynamic of like gay relationships, Yeah, where it's like,
what thirty percent of gay relationships are open relationships, which
is like a completely different concept, right, And like these
guys are young, Do they want to do that? Do
they now want to do that? They're so young?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah? I'm said here though, let me just say this year,
how many of these couples are going to get back
together and how quickly are they going to get back
to you?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Right? Yeah? Now people don't know that.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Fans don't know that if we're watching this for the
first time obviously, but having been through it, we know
that Glee doesn't keep people away for too long. No,
So I'm just saying, let's see how long all of
these breakups actually left.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
And I do feel like it's like the dominoes are falling,
like it catches on like the cold doesn't.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, when people start breaking up or people get married
or people have kids, it always like sort of goes
around the friend group.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Okay, let's talk about Santana and Brittany.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I was so happy to see Santana back, like finally,
and she's kind of a screen yes, so she does
laundry with Brittany and Treks used to come back, and
then Brittany invites her to the Rapture Club, which makes
it even doubly sad. Obviously, the Rapture thing is weird.
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Brittany's missing Santana, but then has like tried to fill
that void of left behind.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
And Brittany says, that's how you made me feel. When
she refers to Doddie on the floor, I was like,
it is so sad, so sad, but it's true. We've
seen Brittany really losing her shit. Yeah, you know, this
has been a long time coming. I think we'll at
least in season four because we've already seen Brittany unraveling
because Santana's gone. And then most importantly in this storyline,
(30:10):
we get Mine. This is about the time when I
texted you and I texted Kevin and I said, find
out about if I'm in the episode, and also I
got got Well.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I was texting you being like, I'm having a hard
time getting through this episode because the beginning it was
just so weird, and you go, yeah, but I love Mine,
and the scientist yes, yeah, yeah, I'll keep that in mind. Yeah,
And then you get.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
To Mine and she sings and I remember how they're
saying some interview, in some interview recently in the last
two years, they asked what her favorite Santa, how the
number was, and she said this one, and I get it.
But I hadn't watched this one like that in a while,
so to rewatch it now knowing it was one of
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Heather's favorites with them, and boy, oh boy, is that
a good performance just sitting there. They didn't have to
do anything, No, they didn't, and it was so good.
It was so good. It was actually heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Nia's voice. I think Nia's performance in this episode was unreal,
all of it. And like Kurt and like with Rachel,
because they're not in high school anymore, they all feel
a little bit more grown, settled in themselves. And seeing
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Nia sit in a chair, and you're also seeing Brittany,
who has been numb for four episodes, right, yeah, And
when Santana starts singing this, Brittany's still sort of just
like dead behind the eyes, and those tears from both
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of them are so real.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
And the love that they actually had for one another
in real life, right exactly, It was so real. They
were deeply, deeply connected best friends and the scene just
felt obviously you know, I'm sure it's heavily tinged by
personal things, but like it was hard to watch, yes,
(32:38):
very hard to watch, but I was also the whole
time was like I'm so thankful yeah that this exists,
because god damn, she's good, so good. And then she
goes right into that monologue, Oh my god, and tiptoes
around having an attraction for somebody, which is also how
we used to talk energy energy exhange and I'm sure
(33:00):
I had an attraction and I'm sure you will. And
it's a.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Mature thing to do, right, It's the mature thing to
do because she sees the love of her life struggling,
struggling so deeply and understands it and it's empathetic and
it's like, yes, this is the really the only real, mature,
clear communicative couple we have this episode that's right where
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there aren't any secrets and it's just like, here's what
it is.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I'm alone apart, your falling apart, and we love each other.
And then they even like hug and kiss at the
end after they've decided to break up.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, it's a very mature move to make. Yes, Oh man,
oh god, that scene got me so good.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I also just didn't expect her to say, like we
should break up, right, I mean, in so many words
she said it, but.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
She's sitting mine and you're not knowing where this is going,
and mine is really a love song and then all
of a sudden it's but you know, I.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Felt like it was like, let's just make a recommitment
to like really.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Bring for each other, right exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
But Santana's always been eight steps ahead of everybody.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Heather broke me beautiful in that scene, like beautiful so good.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
They were really excellent. They really did an excellent job.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
And and I.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Believe that the fandom probably lost their shit at this
as well, because they just got together. It feels like
we just got I mean it wasn't, but it feels
like they haven't fully.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Lived out there. I don't have enough time with them.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, and then they break up, and you know, those fans,
the two of them, you to go with the world.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
So yeah, upper arms, upper arms. Because it also feels
very it does feel final to me at least, yes,
because it felt very resolved. Yeah, yeah, like Kurt planing
fel a little bit.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, And then we get to Finn and Rachel, where
Finn has shown up at Rachel's store. He comes to
New York. He we find that he was honorably, semi
honorably and discharged because he's set off Rachel the rifle,
Rachel the rifle, and he shot him off in the thigh.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I'm also missing him. He's so good, I know, just
this whole time, we've always like compared Corey and Naya
to each other because they're both sort of like these
like powerhouses.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah yeah, and they're on set and they're both in
this episode. I think you feel that like there are
yes like pillars, yes, emotional pillars in this look. And
again these are ridiculous things that he shot himself in
the leg, but like it's funny. I think it's very
funny and it's very charming, and because Corey just makes
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it work. He makes everything work, makes work truly, and
Rachel says like, come, you know, New York's going to
be a good place for you. Come to Niata, see
if maybe that's the place you want to apply to,
come to my classes. And that's where Barely Breathing worked.
I liked the montage of Corey or Finn rather standing
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in the background watching Rachel like live her best life
in New York and him kind of in the background,
you know, not feeling like feeling like he's a ghost, right,
not really knocking. Yeah, yeah, And it was.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
A cool episode. He's just like, I don't belong anywhere.
I have nowhere to go. I don't know what to do.
And this was a really good visual representation of that.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yes, yes, exactly. I also love Corey on these kind
of songs, so I know. And then we get into
the whole Brody of it all. So Finn confronts Rachel
about Brody and asked if they're just friends, and she
admits that they kissed and I was it And she's like,
when you you wouldn't, don't you know? I would have
(37:01):
rather been with you. But he disappeared for three months,
like with no and in some respect.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Like I I they.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Are only eighteen nineteen, Like when she says a timely
grown woman, I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Hold on.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
But but we do feel like we're grown at eighteen,
So to be fair, it's a plausible thing for our
teenager to say.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
And Finn can tell like when they Brody and Rachel
sing together, oh yeah, he's just like, come on, they
feel a little too comfortable. So they did speaking of
an energy exchange. Yeah, so they do this number and
they're like local bar like Maray's crisis or whatever. And
he's like, well, why didn't you do it with Brody instead,
(37:43):
because isn't it like a Neana tradmission or something. Of course,
so they do the song. What song it's saying, I'd
give your heart a break, heart break? I also like,
she just assumes Finn will know give your heart break
you can just get up there to do me.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, it's like nowhere when they break into Nowhere down
the hallway with a Beyonce fan.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Such a good.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
One I saw during this number. I'm okay with Rachel
and Brody when when it forwards the plot for her
and Finn. Right, that's kind of my running thing with
Brody this. I don't know again, I don't know if
(38:26):
I could get on board with that. It wasn't my favorite,
not that they didn't sound great on it, and not
there wasn't there that there wasn't an energy exchange happening
for them.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
It's just a little forced to me, it is, I
will say, though, I think their performances. I think Leah's
and Corey's performances here make it really work. Because she's
bummed that he's not going to sing with her, and
I really liked the awkwardness of that moment, and.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
She says likely I love you right before, and so
they go, it's just the song that gets me.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, it's but his It's one of those things I
guess that I keep referencing of, like the separation of
everybody's lives now where he's sitting there and like when
you haven't seen so much for several months and you
feel like different. Yeah yeah, yeah, he also feels different. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(39:28):
you're right, and it's watching like who's this new guy
and this girl that I used to be?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
It?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, and I feel like I felt like Finn, like
you're sitting like what is going on? What is this
new bar?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
This is their local. We don't know what this is.
And it's just like, ooh, this is not sit right
with me?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah, okay, to be fair, you're right, the tone was right,
the tone it go on, because you can get that
in like thirty seconds. But the song, you know, is
a song, so keeps.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Going really totally.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, no, no, they sound really good. And then we
get to Don't Speak, where we've got Blaine and Kurt
revealing that they are that Blaine was with somebody that
he did in fact go to his house, and the
whole argument between Finn and Rachel about Brody and then
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they go into don't Speak.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
What did you think about dones speak? Oh? Fun?
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Fun fact though, some of this was kind of spoiled
for fans because they were there watching because this was
shot in New York prior to filming or sorry, airing,
and so people knew things were were stewing and brewing unfortunately,
because that's you can't avoid it. You could see the tears, Yeah,
(40:48):
you could see the tears. There's obviously singing don't Speak.
It's not a love song, and they're all walking away
from each other, and there's probably they probably watched the
scene film as well.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
So h But.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
I thought the song was I thought this song was good.
It wasn't my favorite choice of song. It worked, It's
not my favorite song, and it didn't connect me to
them as much as I would have hoped.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I think that's a great way of putting it. But
it did the job.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Like I'm not saying like it was a bad choice.
I just don't I didn't connect to it.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yes, that's a great way to put it. It feels
like a Finn song doesn't feel like a Blaine or
Kurt song or Rachel's song. And I think by this
point too, I was just sort of and I don't know,
it's like everything was sort of overwrought, like every performance
(41:56):
was like sad and long and just like there's not
much happening right and like you've come off this breakup
scene that was really powerful and effective, and so Don't
Speak didn't feel like it furthered any of that. Mm hmmm,
(42:16):
where like I maybe wanted to live in that scene
a little bit more. Yeah, I do think Don't Speak
is an incredible breakup song. It's one of the best,
but it did feel like a disconnect. Yeah for me, Yeah,
I don't know what it is. Like, I don't think
we needed it, agreed. I'm just like, okay, I get it.
(42:40):
We're all we're getting in bed and not looking at
each other. I agreed. It was just a transition.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
It was just a transition number to me that felt like, yeah,
I could have done without it. But yeah, more importantly,
Finn gets up and he leaves and without talking to Rachel,
and Lane goes back and.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Then Finn goes back to school and Finn has this
sort of really nice to start. I think of a
nice journey where he he comes back, everyone's really excited
to see him. That's where we come in for a
scene talk about a new Fall musical. He picks the musical,
so we start to there's those little seeds being planted,
(43:27):
respecting Finn in a different way. Yeah, because he like
that's where he feels at home. That's where he's comfortable.
That's where he it feels like he's like in his body.
He knows how to lead and be himself in that
quatroom very much.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
So you are correct, Yes, it's fun to see Finn
back at home.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
We love that. Yeah, it was really nice, and like
it feels like he's going to stick around, but it
feels like he's there exactly as soon as Finn gets back,
(44:10):
that's where it all starts to happen for me. Yes,
and agreed. Finn comes back and is like, help me.
I don't know what to do. I don't know who
I am. And something that we've seen Finn struggle with
now for over a season, like he didn't know what
he's going to do post college, I mean post high school.
(44:32):
The initial plan, additional plans didn't work right right, and
oh god, it gets Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Then we get to the big auditorium scene where my
eyes are watering.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Jenna, So, okay, I don't how any of you feel
watching this part. Mine already got me.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Rattled right right right, so we're already feeling and I'm
sure that was tough, but I made it through. Yeah,
And then you have Rachel show up to the auditorium
where Finn is. Somehow she knows that he's just there
and and then I will initially I'm like, you just
know he's there, And then she says, I went to
(45:29):
the tire shop, but I went I was lotting this scene. Yeah,
it just have goosebumps. She's never better, never better, and
(45:50):
the two of them when they're together, and I.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Can't help but like, imagine, you know, under the surface here, yeah, yeah, yeah,
there's a lot more going on. And I could just
be making that up. But the way in which she
speaks to him and talks about like you know, of
course didn't. Don't you think I just wanted it to
be you, like you're my first love, You're my first
this verst that.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
When you sent me, when you sent me away, that
was a man and then when you when you left
this morning, that was not a man.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Could we talk about the hold on that line?
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah, and the way she delivered it, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay,
here's the thing. I love that delivery. I love that line.
It feels a little mature for an eighteen year old
to say, yeah, but I was just like, no, this
is my pick me choose me fine, got it, Okay,
got it, got it. We're just in the world. We
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didn't take you out of it though for a second.
For a second, but when she starts on that, oh, man,
and it was like when you left without saying anything.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Oh, it was really cool. And she gets up close
to him and you know, I mean, we've talked about it.
It's bad. It's bad. I just thought that monologue was fucking.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
And I wasn't gonna and I wasn't. I didn't see
that coming where she's right and now we're done. I
did not see that.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
It was just like the Santana and Brittany thing w
Were'm like, I did not expect this to be the end. Wish.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
If you're a good writer, I think that's what you want.
You don't want to be such predictable kind of ending.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
On this episode, it felt like the monologue version of
Santana's singing Mine this love song. Here's Rachel professing her love,
everything she wants from him, how he basically completes her life,
and like everything is going to be broken until they're
together and then but we're done, right. I think I
(47:51):
need to go watch that scene again because it was stellar.
Then we go into the No Scientists. I don't want to.
I didn't know everybody was going to show up. I
didn't know there were anyw flashbacks. I sent Jenna a
photo of my face post.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Watching Wet Tears, Red not well, I have not.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
This is the first time we're four seasons in. This
is the first time I fully got got wow. I
buried my face and my sweatshirt and was losing it
Jenna when they cut from Corey to that flashback scene.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah, that was them on the stage, and the pilot
got me.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
It's it's really good Mark. I look over at Marco
and Marco's losing.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
That had to be Alfonso. Here's the thing. I am
a very emotionally charged person, and I feel like I
had to contain myself or there was no going.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Oh, there was no going. I didn't release. I just
held it in.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
But I felt the way you did in the on
the inside those flashbacks though if that was Alfonso, which
I'm sure it was, whoever it was credit where it's
due fucking a editing team, just.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
And just the it was so.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Beautifully light and the way that everybody was performing, like
the whole thing was. I forgot about the scientists. I
didn't even know about the scientist. I was like, yeah,
whatever that Coldplay song, Like we didn't give Viola Vito whatever,
Like we're a scientist, but like in the context of
which they did it, Bravo, and they're also.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Not and it feels like an Alfonso choice. None of
them are doing much on that stage. The less they
were doing, the more it was effect. Yeah, I felt
like they were all morning. Oh Jenna, I was that
was really bad, like sweating, crying, like, wow, it was
really bad. I think just like seeing Baby Corey the
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flash rice always get me though they always get me.
I felt like someone slapped me. Very good everybody, Bravo, Alfonseo.
Like this episode really did a full one eighty for me.
I went from being like too hysterically.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
No, I gotta say, like season four and maybe I
just didn't hear I didn't I ignored the signs. But
the breakup season four, that is season four.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Yeah, I think the last maybe third of that episode
is I think Ryan, yes we were talking about fine. Yeah,
I'm thinking what Ryan said. I think the last third
of this episode is one of the best things the
show has done, and that's thanks to all of their
incredible performances, Alfonso's incredible directing, the emotional editing, like it
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was a full.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Team for it there, yep. And also feel like a
very different episode of Glee. Yes, definitely, definitely it was
very different.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Side note, is it weird doing a Demi Levado song
and then Demi shows up in the show?
Speaker 1 (51:19):
I mean they've talked about her, we've made references to her,
so funny. Okay, well let's create some performances, because god,
I feel like an you go cry again, barely breathing.
I'm giving it an A.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
I'll give it a B plus. Okay, give your heart
a break.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
B B teenage dream A plus, don't speak, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, I'll give it a B.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Okay, mine A plus A plus, scientist A plus plus.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah. I just those last two numbers. So I think
it's a good I think it's a good comparison here
where stillness when it's right is the most powerful thing
in mind. It was the most powerful thing teenage dream
and the Scientist. Do you have like three incredible versions
of like how stillness? Yeah can rally simplicity? Yes, yeah,
(52:27):
and yeah they're exceptional. Okay.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Tardi chakes the cheese anything, Kitty says, the rapture, the
fake rapture, her words, her actions. Yeah, funny, but yeah,
new best dance move. There's not really dancing dancing. There's
like arm extensions during barely breathing. No, it's not we're
(52:54):
not doing that. No pass pass best song. This is
a time for me between mine and and scientist.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
I'm gonna go with mine a scientist.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
And bounce it out. Yeah, that's performs my prop the
Rachel Rifle.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Best lines, Oh god, Okay, I have a I have
a good one that stuck out to me. Katie when
she's breaking up with Jake in this episode. It's very funny,
and she said, you're both gonna regret this turn of
events because I will tell you one more thing.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Obama's gonna lose. I lost it. I thought that was
so funny.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Good.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
It was really funny. Delivery was good. Oh god, I
think I'm gonna get sappy here. Let's do this Rachel monologue.
Oh wow, don't you get it. No matter how rich
or famous or successfull I become, which is hilarious, by
the way, when it comes to you, I'm always going
to be that moonight girl who freaked out, who freaked
(54:11):
you out the first Glee rehearsal. You're the first boy
who made me feel loved and sexy and visible. You
are my first love, and I want more than anything
for you to be my last. But I can't do
this anymore, at least not now. Wow.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Wow Wow, I got another funny kiddie one. You do
not want You don't want to break up with me? Okay,
I'm like a bad Carrie Underwood song once I get going.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
Oh my god. I was cramming for this really boring
sociology class and I looked up and this girl was
staring at me. She smiled a little too long, which
means she's either crazy or lesbian, and judging by the
stack of Virginia Wolf she was reading, she was into me.
So I smiled back. I had an Attraction Performance MVP
Kevin Man, this is to oh lord.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
God, this is so tough.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
How do you pick? I don't know. Should we just
say all the should we just say the three couples? Sure?
I think that's It's even because they each had their moment. Yes,
Chris had his moment, Darren had his moment, Corey Leah, Corey, Yeah,
they all did totally wow.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
All right, what you got for me?
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Kevin? Okay? Should we found a TikTok so this is
something I also discovered recently? And then I'm glad this
person Ali alexa Arger, I don't know that's arger. I'm
sure I'm butchering that. Sorry on TikTok posted, I love
la because why the fuck is the Grove, which is
(55:48):
an outdoor shopping mall here a really big male here
blasting the Glee version of Don't Stop Leaving with its
fountain sinked to the beat on a Wednesday night? No stop?
Is this recent? Yes, Jenna, it happens every night night?
What the grove? They played the Glee version of Don't
Stop Leaving and the fountain does a show like it's Vegas.
We got to go. It's like the Bellagio do we
(56:09):
have to go? We have to go. But I recently
found that out.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
Saw this TikTok. Are you crazy? I'm laughing. That's really funny.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
It tickles me. I actually want to go. That really
tickles me. It might be too late for you, Jenna.
I think it's like at night, like when the grove
is closing. I think they played sorry.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
That's gotta go.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
Well, for one time I saw a movie at the
grove and like the grove had closed, but obviously the
movie theater was like the you know, the last of
people to be leaving, and it was like midnight probably,
And there was a man who must have been one
of the restaurants in the surrounding area, who rolled up
his pants and stood in the fountain, just standing there.
(56:53):
The fountain wasn't running, it was just there with a
cigar in his hand, just standing in the fountain. Never
forget it. It looks like he was like in Italy
or something. He was like one of the fountains and
like he heard.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
Don't stop believing. I was like, you know what, he
was moved, Yeah, he was moved. Well that is the breakup.
I bet tumblr was a mess. I'm sure it was
wow wow. So next week we have the role you
(57:28):
were born to play. We get the Grease auditions, and
Mike and Mercedes come back. I need all these people back.
Holla Lou, please, Holly Lou. Thanks for joining us. See
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Hello Kenn, Hey Jenna.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Wow, this is a big one. This is a really
big one.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It is I'm scared. I'm scared about this one because
people have a lot of thoughts and feelings about this episode.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well obviously, yeah, I mean if they didn't care, we'd
be in trouble.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
And even like knowing that it's this episode, it's season
four episode for the Breakup, aired October four, twenty twelve.
But even knowing it's called the Breakup and knowing there's
going to be breakups, it still didn't really prepare me
properly for the intensity of this episode and very true.
(00:57):
Can imagine the cleek chaos that ensued after fans watching
this when it was actually on.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
For sure, Well let's let's talk about it. So let's
get through this news. This news. The number one song
was One More Night by Moroun five again and a
number one movie. Okay, Hotel Transylvania. Didn't see it, didn't
see it?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Cool?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Heard about it. I know this is an animated film,
but didn't see it. Well, you have a kid now,
so maybe this will show up in your life at
some point. You're right, you know what, when she's old enough.
I bet you.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, that is true. I mean because the cast stack
Adam Sandler, Andy Sandberg, Selina Gomez, Kevin James, Stevemy, Molly Shannon,
come on.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Okay, fine, well of course it's number one then, okay,
Glee News this week. So on October thirteen, some of
the Glee cast attended the premiere of American Horror Story. Asyluce,
that's that's season two?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Is it season two? I remember going to this.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I see a picture of you in uh.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Really phoned it in with this outfit here.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And your outfit is Your haircut was very NLT time,
look like elder Emo style.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I would sometimes straighten my hair and I'm not sure why.
It was very of the time.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
It was very of the time. It was appropriate. It worked.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I mean it didn't work for me, but it did
work for some people. I still did it though, No,
it worked.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
It's just funny to look back on it now.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It's very it's dated. It's it's a dated look.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
And I see Lean Quarry on this carpet looking very close.
I mean, yeah, I think this was not the premiere
as a couple though. I think it was like the
Crystalist Ball or something that they go to every year,
and I think they came out on that carpet and
that was the first time. I don't remember, but yes.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
This was an easy one for us to attend because
it was at Paramount where we were shooting. So I
remember we got ready and just went over. It was
me and Corey and Chris and I and Leah and
Cored and Melissa, Jacob, Becca, Alex Dean, Lauren Dott and Jane.
You decided to you could have been working.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I could have been working. Maybe I could have also
opted out. I did go to Horror Story three, I
think the season three premiere. Anyway, it was an easy
one to get to, so I'm not sure why it
wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
But she was crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So this episode was directed by the one and only
Alfonso Gomzrah. Of course you can tell as you watch it.
The storytelling is excellent.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Really, I was confused by who directed it, and then
you and I started texting, and then once it gets
towards the end, you're like, oh, wow, this is a
Fonso episode.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Okay, I knew pretty early on. Okay, the songs in
this episode are Barely Breathing by Duncan Chic. Ironically he
will go on to right Spring Awakening.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, no, he hasn't.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Written it already, but post this song correct. Yes, give
Your Heart a Break by Demi Lovato, Teenage Dream acoustic
live version, Don't Speak by No Doubt Mine by Taylor Swift,
and The Scientist by Coldplay. So watching this episode, obviously,
(04:34):
I was like, I don't remember what's in this episode.
I was watching it with my ex slash bff Marco,
who's staying with you right now.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's complicated and he's like, what is this episode? Called him?
Like the Breakup? He's like, isn't this Scientist in this? How?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
See? You know? Viewers were much more tuned in than
we were.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Version of The Scientist. He was singing all the different Wow,
that's the.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
One that stuck out for me though, I mean they
were all quite good, but that's the one that really
stuck out for.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It makes sense watching it again. So there's a lot
of fun facts for this episode. As we mentioned, Teenage
Dream was live and Darren's personal arrangement, but the vocals,
the piano, all of it was done whilst filming, which
never happens.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I had to look it up. I was watching him
perform this and was like, does he have perfect pitch
or is this recorded? And in this song, I was like,
he sounds pre recorded. He sounds so clear on this song,
(05:42):
and I had to google and see if it was
live or if it was in a pre record.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It makes sense, I understand. Alfonso seems like someone who
would be down for this because you're not able to
really show the emotion in a pre recorded track and
this totally full song and performance is emotion all performance.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Apparently.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Darren also also allegedly pitched Don't Speak as the breakup song,
which was the breakup song Well damn.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Teeny Dream is the second song that got released a
second time with a different arrangement. The first was Don't
Stop Believing. I mean we end up doing like eight
few of that. Yeah. Yeah. After details of this episode
were leaked during filming because they were shooting in public
spaces in New York so people could actually see them
walking around breaking up, Darren wrote a letter to the
(06:37):
fans of the show that led some people to believe
his character would be leaving and you can actually find
the letter online.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
He loves that stuff, doesn't he Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I mean, there's no world in which they're writing blame
off at this point. But I appreciate the fun talk.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
He had the second most songs and anyone he wasn't
going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I appreciate the the game he played with our with
our fans or theusiams.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And this is fun.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So Kurt's work number apparently is two one two five
five five one four five two. Uh, this seems like
a more legit or plausible number than most numbers you
hear in uh other TV shows.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I mean they're always five, five five, right, And.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I guess I guess the two one two is like
something that I was like, Oh wow, they used the
area code too.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
But maybe that's just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Something that I just noticed.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
When Emma says, oh, my goodness, mister Schuster goes to Washington,
it is a reference to the nineteen thirty ninth film
Mister Smith Goes to Washington. Very cute.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That was probably that was probably an Ian reference. And
this is the first fourth episode of a season in
which no new member joins Lea Lee Club. We'll see
something later. We'll get that one episode later. But Puck, Mike,
and Matt joined Pregger, Sam joins in duets where I
joins in pot of gold, and yeah, that's interesting. That's
(08:06):
a fun little thing.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Prior to this episode airing, in a tweet, Ryan dubbed
this the best episode we have ever done. It's probably
because I wasn't in it at all. Yeah, you and
I were in one scene. That seems like finally a
good episode.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I literally watched this and I had to text Kevin
afterwards because I had figured, like I watched it pretty
far in advance. So I toes Kevin and I said,
can you just rewind when you're watching it, notice if
I'm in it? Because I didn't even look for myself.
And then I was like, was I in this or not?
And I could have sworn it was because that would
(08:41):
have been something memorable in my mind that I had that.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
But we were.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
We were in that one scene returns.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, we're in one scene. And I also, the only
thing I kept holding onto is like, I know, I
was in one hundred straight episodes, So you were in this.
I'm like, I got to be in here somewhere. Funny,
I barely make it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Let's go couple by a couple, because I think that's
the way this is going to pan out.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Is that you think that's right? Yes? And before we do,
here's the summary of this episode. In New York City,
Rachel and Kurt are caught off guard by unexpected visitors. Meanwhile,
Santana and Brittany adjust to their long distance relationship. Hmmm,
wo wow wow.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I guess we open with the with Jake and Marley. Right,
they're bonding over the free lunch tickets. Jake admits that
he is also his mom was doing well and then
ended up working in a restaurant and working for tips,
and so she's he is also on free lunch tickets
and kind of finds his way in with Marlee there
(09:54):
and they bond. But I just we have to get
through this because most ridiculous thing I've ever seen, insane.
Kitty invites everybody in the glee club to the Left Behind.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Club that Brittany is also a part of, right, and
it's fully into.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And she's talking about Kitty is talking about this rapture
with a rapture that's undoubtedly going to happen, which is psychotic.
But I find very funny, and then they they stage
a fake rapture on Dottie has a starry because she
(10:39):
doesn't believe that it's actually going to happen. It is unhinged.
It actually is really crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
The ship Becca has to say is bonkers.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I almost texted her about it because I just it's
absolutely I'm also just I'm so impressed with Becca because
she came into the show never having done TV again,
didn't even know what a mark was to hit. But
I feel like in these next two episodes, this episode,
(11:16):
in the next episode, she's owning every scene she's in
because you can't be that dominant of a character and
not crazy dialogue and not take over the scenes. So true,
so true, And I'm just every time she's on screaming,
I don't understand how this is her fourth episode of
TV now, it's so funny, like it's bonkers. She's very
(11:37):
funny though, that's the thing. She's just a very funny human.
So she very translates yea, and it translates. It totally translates,
but really really ridiculous storyline that I actually enjoyed watching.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I felt so bad poor Dottie.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I had the things we do to her and in
particular me, but Kitty in this in this respect, and
so the rapture with the clothes and everything, it's very
funny it is she comes in and is just distraught.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I like that everybody is fully buying into this, though
totally totally.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
But this leads to Jake, Jake kind of breaking up
a kitty, and that will propel us into later with
like the whole love triangle of Katy, Marley and Jake
and getting.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
To the extent of yes, this is most of the
stuff that happens at the school.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
That's it, and other than Finn, because what propels the
rest of these gigantic breakups is an initial scene where
Jake and Marley are bonding and Blaine and Brittany are
watching and like, oh young love, want want, We don't
have that anymore because our significant others are away, but
(12:59):
they should. Yes.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Also, did you notice Brittany's lunch during that scene? No?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
What was it?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Okay? There were two Hamburger sliders and there were holes
punched in them and just fries like little flags sticking
out of both like little plants. I'm sure she did that. Yeah,
but I thought it was very funny, it's cute.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Good observation. Thanks. I thought this episode started off really rough.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Like as in not good, yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And like all of these things for all the different partners.
It all seemed so to me, like disjointed, yes and weird,
like we are just like crowbarring in all of these
situations and like one line is setting everybody off Yes
and a tailspin. Agreed, and I was just like, what
(13:58):
is happening? It felt like bad TV for a hot minute.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I agree with you, I agree with you there. I
think also for me, this was built up as a
very big episode for Lee. You know, Sam, I'm our producer.
It said, like, this is a really big episode. The
fans really feel very strongly about this episode. Obviously, Ryan
you know saying this is one of the best episodes
we've ever done. That's a big statement from coming from him.
(14:23):
And so my expectations were, like, you start with a bang,
you end with the bang, right, this built it totally built, Yes,
And by the mid mid show I was hooked.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I was like in, I got got and we can
you know we'll yeah. Well, the numbers were also all
weird to me too, in the beginning where it was
like everything was just like slow walking and staring.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
And I also felt like some of these numbers came
out of literally somebody ending a line out of nowhere starting.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Which makes me uncomfortable. I'm not a musical girly like
that who just loves people break into.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Song totally, and that's not our It doesn't not always
feel like that either for us for our show.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Because if it does, sometimes it's funny, it's satirical. This
will very like we were taking ourselves very seriously. Agreed,
But I agree with you. I think the last quarter
of this episode, by the time we were doing Teenage Dream,
I was in it. I think mine was a little later.
Mine was fair enough. Don't speak okay, like we'll get to.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
It, but yeah, I will say though Barely Breathing, I
was here for it. I love that song and I
loved their version of it.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yes, I let me be clear, I'm not saying I
did not like the versions of these songs totally. I
think the versions of the songs were all great.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
They just felt a little at I would to listen
to them great now. Yeah, Barely Breathing it will be
on my playlist. In the episode Scientists, different story have
to watch it in the episode. Absolutely, okay, cool. Let's
talk about some other couples then, because this is important.
I think we should talk about Will and Jama before
we get into the main worry.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Let me tell you Will pissing me off. Oh man,
he is? What is it?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
So?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Okay? Will gets on the Blue Ribbon panel to improve
the arts education around the country and we'll be heading
to Washington. Great, joyous. Love that for him, and then
he springs it on Emma, like, come with me. It's
for a few months. You have tenure. It's completely fine.
You can get your job back. And she's like, pump
the brakes, right, that's not my dream, that's your dream.
(16:41):
And I love that for you. But I don't love
that for me. And it's not because I'm scared. It's
because I love my students, right. And he doesn't understand
it and gets all offended, and it was really uncomfortable
to watch, and I just wanted to like slap him.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
He's not listening, that's the problem. And it's infuriating to
watch couples. Even I've been watching a lot of reality
TV right now. It's infuriating to watch toxic couples that
don't know how to communicate. Will we're learning doesn't know
how to communicate. And Jama on the other sorry. Emma
(17:21):
on the other hand, is an excellent communicator, well in
most ways right when it doesn't come to.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
But she's also showing progress. I feel like when to herself,
she hasn't always been the best communicator about like the
shorter topics, but immediately she's like, this isn't my dream,
and it's.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
This is yours, and it's because a few months get
out of here. Yeah, will, Look, I see how he
would want her to go with him, but this isn't
always about Will.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah. And also like, maybe ease into it when you
just initially propose leaving for months from your home and
your place of work, like that can take some time
to wrap your head around totally. And so like, why
are you getting offended that she's not immediately as gung
(18:12):
ho on board as you are. M hm oh oh,
it rubbed me the wrong way. I'm kind of used
to it by now. Didn't get me. Yeah, exactly, I
think because it felt like everybody's learning. You also see
(18:34):
the kids communicating, right, The kids are learning to communicate
more clearly in this episode dealing with complex saying long
distance is hard. Yeah, for sure it is, which is
also funny. So Marco, who I was watching it with,
we were together like seven years. We were long distance
for half of that. Yeah, during these seasons of Glee.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Actually, yes, yes, so it was really funny that we
watched this episode together, right, That is funny. You guys
also did communicate really well, more mature than most people
that I know. So you did very good at that
very open.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I didn't realize everybody was about to break up in
this episode, and I don't really remember this episode, to
be very honest, so I felt like I was watching
this for the first time.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I remember some of it. I also didn't remember they
all broke up, And I also felt like they all
sort of came out of not nowhere. And I mean
it's sort of in a good way, Like there was
each of them had almost a misleading conversation and at
the very end, are like.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
But right, right, right right, And nobody thought like all
three of them were going to go no direction right,
especially Ratio acting.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
The acting was happening. There were so many tears. Everybody
was really really good. Let's start with curtain Blaine Blaine was.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
A kind of instigated or I guess maybe in I
don't know what the word is, inspired by Brittany saying like,
how aren't we supposed to have this like young love
and still be fresh and fun and enjoying ourselves and
et cetera. And Blaine's feeling very lonely and he texts
this guy who says, do you want to come over?
(20:23):
But then we cut to New York where Blaine shows
up at the door where he surprises Kurt.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I also did sort of love the him trying to
call Kurt having the Devils product, like on the phone,
I'm very busy Joan Didion's.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
He is, I love Chris, we love Devil's Product. We
were shooting the show, we would quote Deuvila's Prada often
on set, and so I love that this kind of
came to fruition for Kurt in this way that he
was working at Fogue.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I also love to call out about how Kirk got
his job when Santana's talking about like all he did
was to take pictures of the outfits every day and
got this job, Like what the hell again? One of
those I moments to like let the show reference itself
out exactly. Sorry you were saying, no, well, we didn't know.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
We don't know yet if he actually went over to
his house, the the other the other guy Eli's house
at this point, but I mean we get it during
teenage Dream. Yes. I loved this, I really, I really
(21:48):
I find that Blaine sometimes always gets these very polished,
put together numbers. They're huge, they're in the courtyard, they're
backed up by a thousand singers and dancers. So and
I don't know if it's just because I like seeing
Darren behind a piano like this, but like just to
watch him perform very simp Blaine, very simply that's not
(22:11):
so dalton esque was enjoyable for me. I really I
thought his performance was great. I thought he sounded great.
I always like listening to songs that are redone in
a different way on our show. And it was obviously
because I think this is one of the first numbers
in the episode that felt like he was really driving
(22:35):
the story correct.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah. I also think Blaine seems to be like a
very internal thinker, where Kurt a lot of the time
is vocal where it's hard to sleep, you know what
he's thinking. Blaine, like last was the last episode that
was his first yeah, first voiceover where we're just getting
(23:02):
to know him in that way, and we've learned in
the past when he's had crushes on people didn't even
necessarily realize that he was into Kurt. There's a lot
of things happening beneath the surface. And I do love too,
And it happens again with Santana, and it happens again
with Finn and Rachel's Like the expression of song and
(23:26):
feelings through a song, when done correctly, like I think
is done here, is so much more even powerful than
a spoken emotional monologue. I feel like, yeah, and be
seen Blaine being able to take a song he's already done.
That was such a joyous occasion and something that now
means so much to Kurt and Blaine's relationship and do
(23:47):
it from this really like sad, mournful, regretful place, yes
and all. He was able to capture the energy instead of,
you know, in somebody cheats, they started using the other
person of cheating. He started to become more and more
attached or needy to Kurt in a way like I
need to see you when you see you more. I've
(24:10):
done this thing and I'm panicking, but we don't know
that yet, and it just felt so unsettled, and being
able to also then see that in Chris's face of
like I got something's wrong, yes, leading to that scene
in the park afterwards, and it felt very like their
relationship in a lot of ways feels very grown up,
(24:32):
and how they communicate with one another feels quite mature.
And also seeing the difference in Blaine is still in
high school, Kurt is working at Vogue in New York City,
and there's a difference in how they communicate with one another,
And in that park scene their breakup, Kurt sort of
(24:53):
calls I was like, what cut the shit, what's going on?
And it felt it really felt like the end of
an era, like I think more so than some of
the other breakups, because yeah, yeah, and they were just
(25:15):
both so good in that moment.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
They were It's a very beloved couple and you don't
see a lot of really positive role models on TV
at this time like them, So to break them up
and we heard, you know, like we we saw the
fans response to it. They were up in arms, just
(25:42):
them alone, Kurt and Blaine alone, not including all these
other huge couples Santana Brittany even like and Finchel like
they are that that is enough, right, different episodes exactly
so well done to the two of them. I don't
(26:10):
it's all very up in the air, though it doesn't
all feel so final to me.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, it feels. I think Blaine even references that, right,
He's like Kurt, I didn't even heard from Kurt. I
don't even know if we're broken up. And like the
morning after it felt like that, Like I'm sure you've
been in that situation to so many of us have,
where you have this really honest, brutal, emotionally charged conversation
and it feels like it doesn't necessarily get anywhere, just
(26:40):
like an ellipses on the relationship. Yeah, and it was
it felt like because obviously at the same time then
you have Ventral going through their stuff, and that morning
after scene it almost like a hangover, like an emotional
hangover of what Yeah, Vin is sneaking out. It's it's
(27:02):
a very weird. Yeah, And I think that's where the
Alfonso of it all is. He's able to capture those
Our show is not one that lets things breathe, but
to be honest, right, like we move quickly, we make jokes,
sing songs, right, snap snapsap, YadA, YadA, YadA. Yeah, yeah,
and there was a lot of this. That's why I
(27:22):
think the beginning of the episode to me felt sort
of weird, Like the pacing felt disjointed and weird. But
once you get I think posts that park scene, all
of a sudden like oh shit, we're in Grey's Anatomy. Yea, yeah,
yeah exactly, something more cinematic, exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
That's right, that's right. Well, I guess we'll see what
happens with Blane and Kurt. It feels like the most
unfinished of all of them.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, Like I'm like, I'm not really worried about Will
and Emma. That just seems like a couple fight. This
felt very a good gust the wind and they're done. Done.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, Well he did something that really does break break
up relationships and marriages and all these partnerships whatever it is,
you know.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
And they're young. That's I think it's there's also a
different dynamic of like gay relationships, Yeah, where it's like,
what thirty percent of gay relationships are open relationships, which
is like a completely different concept, right, And like these
guys are young, Do they want to do that? Do
they now want to do that? They're so young?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah? I'm said here though, let me just say this year,
how many of these couples are going to get back
together and how quickly are they going to get back
to you?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Right? Yeah? Now people don't know that.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Fans don't know that if we're watching this for the
first time obviously, but having been through it, we know
that Glee doesn't keep people away for too long. No,
So I'm just saying, let's see how long all of
these breakups actually left.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
And I do feel like it's like the dominoes are falling,
like it catches on like the cold doesn't.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, when people start breaking up or people get married
or people have kids, it always like sort of goes
around the friend group.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Okay, let's talk about Santana and Brittany.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I was so happy to see Santana back, like finally,
and she's kind of a screen yes, so she does
laundry with Brittany and Treks used to come back, and
then Brittany invites her to the Rapture Club, which makes
it even doubly sad. Obviously, the Rapture thing is weird.
(29:41):
Brittany's missing Santana, but then has like tried to fill
that void of left behind.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
And Brittany says, that's how you made me feel. When
she refers to Doddie on the floor, I was like,
it is so sad, so sad, but it's true. We've
seen Brittany really losing her shit. Yeah, you know, this
has been a long time coming. I think we'll at
least in season four because we've already seen Brittany unraveling
because Santana's gone. And then most importantly in this storyline,
(30:10):
we get Mine. This is about the time when I
texted you and I texted Kevin and I said, find
out about if I'm in the episode, and also I
got got Well.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I was texting you being like, I'm having a hard
time getting through this episode because the beginning it was
just so weird, and you go, yeah, but I love Mine,
and the scientist yes, yeah, yeah, I'll keep that in mind. Yeah,
And then you get.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
To Mine and she sings and I remember how they're
saying some interview, in some interview recently in the last
two years, they asked what her favorite Santa, how the
number was, and she said this one, and I get it.
But I hadn't watched this one like that in a while,
so to rewatch it now knowing it was one of
(31:09):
Heather's favorites with them, and boy, oh boy, is that
a good performance just sitting there. They didn't have to
do anything, No, they didn't, and it was so good.
It was so good. It was actually heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Nia's voice. I think Nia's performance in this episode was unreal,
all of it. And like Kurt and like with Rachel,
because they're not in high school anymore, they all feel
a little bit more grown, settled in themselves. And seeing
(31:52):
Nia sit in a chair, and you're also seeing Brittany,
who has been numb for four episodes, right, yeah, And
when Santana starts singing this, Brittany's still sort of just
like dead behind the eyes, and those tears from both
(32:12):
of them are so real.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
And the love that they actually had for one another
in real life, right exactly, It was so real. They
were deeply, deeply connected best friends and the scene just
felt obviously you know, I'm sure it's heavily tinged by
personal things, but like it was hard to watch, yes,
(32:38):
very hard to watch, but I was also the whole
time was like I'm so thankful yeah that this exists,
because god damn, she's good, so good. And then she
goes right into that monologue, Oh my god, and tiptoes
around having an attraction for somebody, which is also how
we used to talk energy energy exhange and I'm sure
(33:00):
I had an attraction and I'm sure you will. And
it's a.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Mature thing to do, right, It's the mature thing to
do because she sees the love of her life struggling,
struggling so deeply and understands it and it's empathetic and
it's like, yes, this is the really the only real, mature,
clear communicative couple we have this episode that's right where
(33:25):
there aren't any secrets and it's just like, here's what
it is.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I'm alone apart, your falling apart, and we love each other.
And then they even like hug and kiss at the
end after they've decided to break up.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, it's a very mature move to make. Yes, Oh man,
oh god, that scene got me so good.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I also just didn't expect her to say, like we
should break up, right, I mean, in so many words
she said it, but.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
She's sitting mine and you're not knowing where this is going,
and mine is really a love song and then all
of a sudden it's but you know, I.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Felt like it was like, let's just make a recommitment
to like really.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Bring for each other, right exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
But Santana's always been eight steps ahead of everybody.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Heather broke me beautiful in that scene, like beautiful so good.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
They were really excellent. They really did an excellent job.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
And and I.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Believe that the fandom probably lost their shit at this
as well, because they just got together. It feels like
we just got I mean it wasn't, but it feels
like they haven't fully.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Lived out there. I don't have enough time with them.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, and then they break up, and you know, those fans,
the two of them, you to go with the world.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
So yeah, upper arms, upper arms. Because it also feels
very it does feel final to me at least, yes,
because it felt very resolved. Yeah, yeah, like Kurt planing
fel a little bit.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, And then we get to Finn and Rachel, where
Finn has shown up at Rachel's store. He comes to
New York. He we find that he was honorably, semi
honorably and discharged because he's set off Rachel the rifle,
Rachel the rifle, and he shot him off in the thigh.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I'm also missing him. He's so good, I know, just
this whole time, we've always like compared Corey and Naya
to each other because they're both sort of like these
like powerhouses.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah yeah, and they're on set and they're both in
this episode. I think you feel that like there are
yes like pillars, yes, emotional pillars in this look. And
again these are ridiculous things that he shot himself in
the leg, but like it's funny. I think it's very
funny and it's very charming, and because Corey just makes
(35:56):
it work. He makes everything work, makes work truly, and
Rachel says like, come, you know, New York's going to
be a good place for you. Come to Niata, see
if maybe that's the place you want to apply to,
come to my classes. And that's where Barely Breathing worked.
I liked the montage of Corey or Finn rather standing
(36:19):
in the background watching Rachel like live her best life
in New York and him kind of in the background,
you know, not feeling like feeling like he's a ghost, right,
not really knocking. Yeah, yeah, And it was.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
A cool episode. He's just like, I don't belong anywhere.
I have nowhere to go. I don't know what to do.
And this was a really good visual representation of that.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yes, yes, exactly. I also love Corey on these kind
of songs, so I know. And then we get into
the whole Brody of it all. So Finn confronts Rachel
about Brody and asked if they're just friends, and she
admits that they kissed and I was it And she's like,
when you you wouldn't, don't you know? I would have
(37:01):
rather been with you. But he disappeared for three months,
like with no and in some respect.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Like I I they.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Are only eighteen nineteen, Like when she says a timely
grown woman, I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Hold on.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
But but we do feel like we're grown at eighteen,
So to be fair, it's a plausible thing for our
teenager to say.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
And Finn can tell like when they Brody and Rachel
sing together, oh yeah, he's just like, come on, they
feel a little too comfortable. So they did speaking of
an energy exchange. Yeah, so they do this number and
they're like local bar like Maray's crisis or whatever. And
he's like, well, why didn't you do it with Brody instead,
(37:43):
because isn't it like a Neana tradmission or something. Of course,
so they do the song. What song it's saying, I'd
give your heart a break, heart break? I also like,
she just assumes Finn will know give your heart break
you can just get up there to do me.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, it's like nowhere when they break into Nowhere down
the hallway with a Beyonce fan.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Such a good.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
One I saw during this number. I'm okay with Rachel
and Brody when when it forwards the plot for her
and Finn. Right, that's kind of my running thing with
Brody this. I don't know again, I don't know if
(38:26):
I could get on board with that. It wasn't my favorite,
not that they didn't sound great on it, and not
there wasn't there that there wasn't an energy exchange happening
for them.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
It's just a little forced to me, it is, I
will say, though, I think their performances. I think Leah's
and Corey's performances here make it really work. Because she's
bummed that he's not going to sing with her, and
I really liked the awkwardness of that moment, and.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
She says likely I love you right before, and so
they go, it's just the song that gets me.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, it's but his It's one of those things I
guess that I keep referencing of, like the separation of
everybody's lives now where he's sitting there and like when
you haven't seen so much for several months and you
feel like different. Yeah yeah, yeah, he also feels different. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(39:28):
you're right, and it's watching like who's this new guy
and this girl that I used to be?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
It?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, and I feel like I felt like Finn, like
you're sitting like what is going on? What is this
new bar?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
This is their local. We don't know what this is.
And it's just like, ooh, this is not sit right
with me?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah, okay, to be fair, you're right, the tone was right,
the tone it go on, because you can get that
in like thirty seconds. But the song, you know, is
a song, so keeps.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Going really totally.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, no, no, they sound really good. And then we
get to Don't Speak, where we've got Blaine and Kurt
revealing that they are that Blaine was with somebody that
he did in fact go to his house, and the
whole argument between Finn and Rachel about Brody and then
(40:24):
they go into don't Speak.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
What did you think about dones speak? Oh? Fun?
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Fun fact though, some of this was kind of spoiled
for fans because they were there watching because this was
shot in New York prior to filming or sorry, airing,
and so people knew things were were stewing and brewing unfortunately,
because that's you can't avoid it. You could see the tears, Yeah,
(40:48):
you could see the tears. There's obviously singing don't Speak.
It's not a love song, and they're all walking away
from each other, and there's probably they probably watched the
scene film as well.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
So h But.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
I thought the song was I thought this song was good.
It wasn't my favorite choice of song. It worked, It's
not my favorite song, and it didn't connect me to
them as much as I would have hoped.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I think that's a great way of putting it. But
it did the job.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Like I'm not saying like it was a bad choice.
I just don't I didn't connect to it.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yes, that's a great way to put it. It feels
like a Finn song doesn't feel like a Blaine or
Kurt song or Rachel's song. And I think by this
point too, I was just sort of and I don't know,
it's like everything was sort of overwrought, like every performance
(41:56):
was like sad and long and just like there's not
much happening right and like you've come off this breakup
scene that was really powerful and effective, and so Don't
Speak didn't feel like it furthered any of that. Mm hmmm,
(42:16):
where like I maybe wanted to live in that scene
a little bit more. Yeah, I do think Don't Speak
is an incredible breakup song. It's one of the best,
but it did feel like a disconnect. Yeah for me, Yeah,
I don't know what it is. Like, I don't think
we needed it, agreed. I'm just like, okay, I get it.
(42:40):
We're all we're getting in bed and not looking at
each other. I agreed. It was just a transition.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
It was just a transition number to me that felt like, yeah,
I could have done without it. But yeah, more importantly,
Finn gets up and he leaves and without talking to Rachel,
and Lane goes back and.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Then Finn goes back to school and Finn has this
sort of really nice to start. I think of a
nice journey where he he comes back, everyone's really excited
to see him. That's where we come in for a
scene talk about a new Fall musical. He picks the musical,
so we start to there's those little seeds being planted,
(43:27):
respecting Finn in a different way. Yeah, because he like
that's where he feels at home. That's where he's comfortable.
That's where he it feels like he's like in his body.
He knows how to lead and be himself in that
quatroom very much.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
So you are correct, Yes, it's fun to see Finn
back at home.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
We love that. Yeah, it was really nice, and like
it feels like he's going to stick around, but it
feels like he's there exactly as soon as Finn gets back,
(44:10):
that's where it all starts to happen for me. Yes,
and agreed. Finn comes back and is like, help me.
I don't know what to do. I don't know who
I am. And something that we've seen Finn struggle with
now for over a season, like he didn't know what
he's going to do post college, I mean post high school.
(44:32):
The initial plan, additional plans didn't work right right, and
oh god, it gets Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Then we get to the big auditorium scene where my
eyes are watering.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Jenna, So, okay, I don't how any of you feel
watching this part. Mine already got me.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Rattled right right right, so we're already feeling and I'm
sure that was tough, but I made it through. Yeah,
And then you have Rachel show up to the auditorium
where Finn is. Somehow she knows that he's just there
and and then I will initially I'm like, you just
know he's there, And then she says, I went to
(45:29):
the tire shop, but I went I was lotting this scene. Yeah,
it just have goosebumps. She's never better, never better, and
(45:50):
the two of them when they're together, and I.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Can't help but like, imagine, you know, under the surface here, yeah, yeah, yeah,
there's a lot more going on. And I could just
be making that up. But the way in which she
speaks to him and talks about like you know, of
course didn't. Don't you think I just wanted it to
be you, like you're my first love, You're my first
this verst that.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
When you sent me, when you sent me away, that
was a man and then when you when you left
this morning, that was not a man.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Could we talk about the hold on that line?
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah, and the way she delivered it, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay,
here's the thing. I love that delivery. I love that line.
It feels a little mature for an eighteen year old
to say, yeah, but I was just like, no, this
is my pick me choose me fine, got it, Okay,
got it, got it. We're just in the world. We
(46:44):
didn't take you out of it though for a second.
For a second, but when she starts on that, oh, man,
and it was like when you left without saying anything.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Oh, it was really cool. And she gets up close
to him and you know, I mean, we've talked about it.
It's bad. It's bad. I just thought that monologue was fucking.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
And I wasn't gonna and I wasn't. I didn't see
that coming where she's right and now we're done. I
did not see that.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
It was just like the Santana and Brittany thing w
Were'm like, I did not expect this to be the end. Wish.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
If you're a good writer, I think that's what you want.
You don't want to be such predictable kind of ending.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
On this episode, it felt like the monologue version of
Santana's singing Mine this love song. Here's Rachel professing her love,
everything she wants from him, how he basically completes her life,
and like everything is going to be broken until they're
together and then but we're done, right. I think I
(47:51):
need to go watch that scene again because it was stellar.
Then we go into the No Scientists. I don't want to.
I didn't know everybody was going to show up. I
didn't know there were anyw flashbacks. I sent Jenna a
photo of my face post.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Watching Wet Tears, Red not well, I have not.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
This is the first time we're four seasons in. This
is the first time I fully got got wow. I
buried my face and my sweatshirt and was losing it
Jenna when they cut from Corey to that flashback scene.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah, that was them on the stage, and the pilot
got me.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
It's it's really good Mark. I look over at Marco
and Marco's losing.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
That had to be Alfonso. Here's the thing. I am
a very emotionally charged person, and I feel like I
had to contain myself or there was no going.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Oh, there was no going. I didn't release. I just
held it in.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
But I felt the way you did in the on
the inside those flashbacks though if that was Alfonso, which
I'm sure it was, whoever it was credit where it's
due fucking a editing team, just.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
And just the it was so.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Beautifully light and the way that everybody was performing, like
the whole thing was. I forgot about the scientists. I
didn't even know about the scientist. I was like, yeah,
whatever that Coldplay song, Like we didn't give Viola Vito whatever,
Like we're a scientist, but like in the context of
which they did it, Bravo, and they're also.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Not and it feels like an Alfonso choice. None of
them are doing much on that stage. The less they
were doing, the more it was effect. Yeah, I felt
like they were all morning. Oh Jenna, I was that
was really bad, like sweating, crying, like, wow, it was
really bad. I think just like seeing Baby Corey the
(50:05):
flash rice always get me though they always get me.
I felt like someone slapped me. Very good everybody, Bravo, Alfonseo.
Like this episode really did a full one eighty for me.
I went from being like too hysterically.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
No, I gotta say, like season four and maybe I
just didn't hear I didn't I ignored the signs. But
the breakup season four, that is season four.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Yeah, I think the last maybe third of that episode
is I think Ryan, yes we were talking about fine. Yeah,
I'm thinking what Ryan said. I think the last third
of this episode is one of the best things the
show has done, and that's thanks to all of their
incredible performances, Alfonso's incredible directing, the emotional editing, like it
(50:57):
was a full.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Team for it there, yep. And also feel like a
very different episode of Glee. Yes, definitely, definitely it was
very different.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Side note, is it weird doing a Demi Levado song
and then Demi shows up in the show?
Speaker 1 (51:19):
I mean they've talked about her, we've made references to her,
so funny. Okay, well let's create some performances, because god,
I feel like an you go cry again, barely breathing.
I'm giving it an A.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
I'll give it a B plus. Okay, give your heart
a break.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
B B teenage dream A plus, don't speak, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, I'll give it a B.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Okay, mine A plus A plus, scientist A plus plus.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah. I just those last two numbers. So I think
it's a good I think it's a good comparison here
where stillness when it's right is the most powerful thing
in mind. It was the most powerful thing teenage dream
and the Scientist. Do you have like three incredible versions
of like how stillness? Yeah can rally simplicity? Yes, yeah,
(52:27):
and yeah they're exceptional. Okay.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Tardi chakes the cheese anything, Kitty says, the rapture, the
fake rapture, her words, her actions. Yeah, funny, but yeah,
new best dance move. There's not really dancing dancing. There's
like arm extensions during barely breathing. No, it's not we're
(52:54):
not doing that. No pass pass best song. This is
a time for me between mine and and scientist.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
I'm gonna go with mine a scientist.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
And bounce it out. Yeah, that's performs my prop the
Rachel Rifle.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Best lines, Oh god, Okay, I have a I have
a good one that stuck out to me. Katie when
she's breaking up with Jake in this episode. It's very funny,
and she said, you're both gonna regret this turn of
events because I will tell you one more thing.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Obama's gonna lose. I lost it. I thought that was
so funny.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Good.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
It was really funny. Delivery was good. Oh god, I
think I'm gonna get sappy here. Let's do this Rachel monologue.
Oh wow, don't you get it. No matter how rich
or famous or successfull I become, which is hilarious, by
the way, when it comes to you, I'm always going
to be that moonight girl who freaked out, who freaked
(54:11):
you out the first Glee rehearsal. You're the first boy
who made me feel loved and sexy and visible. You
are my first love, and I want more than anything
for you to be my last. But I can't do
this anymore, at least not now. Wow.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Wow Wow, I got another funny kiddie one. You do
not want You don't want to break up with me? Okay,
I'm like a bad Carrie Underwood song once I get going.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
Oh my god. I was cramming for this really boring
sociology class and I looked up and this girl was
staring at me. She smiled a little too long, which
means she's either crazy or lesbian, and judging by the
stack of Virginia Wolf she was reading, she was into me.
So I smiled back. I had an Attraction Performance MVP
Kevin Man, this is to oh lord.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
God, this is so tough.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
How do you pick? I don't know. Should we just
say all the should we just say the three couples? Sure?
I think that's It's even because they each had their moment. Yes,
Chris had his moment, Darren had his moment, Corey Leah, Corey, Yeah,
they all did totally wow.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
All right, what you got for me?
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Kevin? Okay? Should we found a TikTok so this is
something I also discovered recently? And then I'm glad this
person Ali alexa Arger, I don't know that's arger. I'm
sure I'm butchering that. Sorry on TikTok posted, I love
la because why the fuck is the Grove, which is
(55:48):
an outdoor shopping mall here a really big male here
blasting the Glee version of Don't Stop Leaving with its
fountain sinked to the beat on a Wednesday night? No stop?
Is this recent? Yes, Jenna, it happens every night night?
What the grove? They played the Glee version of Don't
Stop Leaving and the fountain does a show like it's Vegas.
We got to go. It's like the Bellagio do we
(56:09):
have to go? We have to go. But I recently
found that out.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
Saw this TikTok. Are you crazy? I'm laughing. That's really funny.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
It tickles me. I actually want to go. That really
tickles me. It might be too late for you, Jenna.
I think it's like at night, like when the grove
is closing. I think they played sorry.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
That's gotta go.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
Well, for one time I saw a movie at the
grove and like the grove had closed, but obviously the
movie theater was like the you know, the last of
people to be leaving, and it was like midnight probably,
And there was a man who must have been one
of the restaurants in the surrounding area, who rolled up
his pants and stood in the fountain, just standing there.
(56:53):
The fountain wasn't running, it was just there with a
cigar in his hand, just standing in the fountain. Never
forget it. It looks like he was like in Italy
or something. He was like one of the fountains and
like he heard.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
Don't stop believing. I was like, you know what, he
was moved, Yeah, he was moved. Well that is the breakup.
I bet tumblr was a mess. I'm sure it was
wow wow. So next week we have the role you
(57:28):
were born to play. We get the Grease auditions, and
Mike and Mercedes come back. I need all these people back.
Holla Lou, please, Holly Lou. Thanks for joining us. See
you next week. And that's what you really missed. Thanks
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