November 10, 2025 • 54 mins
‘Bet your bottom dollar’ this is going to be a good one!
Jenna and Kevin take us back to 1982, a massive year for Pop culture (Thriller, E.T., leg warmers) and the debut of “Annie,” the movie musical! They share why they feel this one is monumental, what they think of the movie now versus when they were kids, what hasn’t aged well, and the performances that still wow them. Plus, the scene they felt was over-the-top, the Glee connection, and Jenna reveals auditioning for the Broadway production of “Annie” as a kid! Don’t wait until tomorrow to check this one out!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And That's what you Really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Kevin and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to and That's what You Really miss podcast. Hi Kevin,
Hi Jenna.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I feel like, because you're in New York now, I
really have no idea what's going on in your life.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, I mean I know where you are, but like
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well, it's because I'm not. Every day is sort of
the same.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Welcome to the theater.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I go to rehearsal, I come home and immediately go
to bed.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Welcome to the theater. Yeah, for the next few months
of your life. Yeah, you know that's okay. Though it's
cold in New York, so you can hibernate.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It'll be different. Shows start literally this week, so.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Oh my gosh, everybody goes see Kevin.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, come see us. New World Stages. We're next to Heather's.
Come to both of us. I took a picture. When
you enter with it's like you go left inside the building,
you go left to go, you go right to see spelling.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Bean's like, if you want.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
A little high school, or if you want a little
middle school or elementary school.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Enter if you know, choose your own adventure. Yep, well,
very exciting. I hope that it's going well, and I
hope that you have a great first preview.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Thanks. It doesn't have to be perfect, because that's what
previews are for.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I know, but I'm gonna want it to be perfect, I.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Know, which is what you'll be chasing your entire run.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
But it's such a fun show, so so excited for you.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Did you know Lily Cooper is one of the funniest
people on the planet.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yes, I did, kemmish, I, yes, I did.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I can't look at her, I simply we can't look
at each other. Like she did something the other day,
I do something like in her face, and then she
laughed at her own reaction to me, and then I
started laughing her laughing at herself.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
You guys are funny. That's funny. I love that.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I was really bad on stage and like broke a
lot and like tried not to break a lot. But
there was one point where Christopher still look at me
and he was like, you know, you're on stage right,
and I feel like Neil and Lily are going to
be that.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
It's really bad.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
It's really I'm glad I figured that out now because
it's happened one too many times where we just share
a look really quickly at the exact same time. And
that's why I'm practicing not breaking.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Just wait until you guys get into the run to
the point where you're like playing like past the sticker
or something like do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, you're comfortable enough. Speaking of musicals, today, we are
looking back at.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
An iconic piece of musical theater that shaped every young
girl and boys musical theater love in when they were children. Yea,
it is the one and only Annie.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
The nineteen eighty three movie. I mean, how cute is she?
I No, I'm sorry, it's the nineteen eighty two movie.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
This movie, musical, all of it. Amy Pueller just talked
about this on her podcast with Them.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh really, what did she say?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
You remember who her guest was at the time. Was
Either it wasn't Mrshca Hardiget. Maybe it was no, not
Kate McKinnon. It was one of somebody she had on recently.
Was a christ Wig.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Maybe yes, it might have been christa Wig, one of
those wonderful, highly talented icons that she's had on her
incredibly successful podcast.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Maybe Rachel Dratch. Maybe Rachel Dratch.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
About how Annie was like such a piece of a
monumental piece of history in all of our lives.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yes, why, I mean watching this, are you able to
tell why?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I think it's no singular thing.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
It's not singular. It's but I think a majority of
the music and the show is.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Is encompassed by young girls. And they're young. They're young,
and they're peers. So like, as a youth watching somebody,
you're like, oh, these songs were sung by people my age,
these songs are relatable or can be relatable. You're not
singing adult songs. So I think part of it was
(04:38):
like attaching yourself to these kids. And then a part
of it was like.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Every musical theater teacher, every school, every showcase you do
when you're a kid, every class or whatever, you're singing
any because these kids are like, it's age appropriate. Finally,
like there's stuff forgets to sing.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I recently saw a video of Audern McDonald talking about
a song she used to sing as a child, and
people would be.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Like, you, you're.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Singing that, because so often that that was the case.
Annie was like the.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Exception to that. Yes, and then there's all these kids
blowing their voices out on tomorrow and maybe but what
a joy, What a joy.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So Annie the movie premiered May twenty first, nineteen eighty two,
just a few weeks before Greece too, So the same
pop culture stuff is going on. Ebney and Ivory is
still the number one song in the country. Conan the Barbarian, Yes,
have you never heard of that? I have, I just
(05:40):
never saw it. I didn't either, Arnold Schwarzenegger, James Earl Jones.
I mean, obviously, yeah, it was number one. Obviously there's
no Glee news at this point because none of us
were even blearn yet. But it's the year of leg
warmers and MTV and big hair.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Biggest hair.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's only three. It's like, I can't believe Annie in
Greece to Conan the Barbarian, like Charot's a fire on
the oscar that year the Tiger, Yeah, like e t Wow,
what a crazy year.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, what a time? What a time?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Uh we've got the beat by the Go Gos, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Wow, Like Thriller is being recorded.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Eddie Murphy's on SNL like it's a it's a wild,
wild time.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, very wild and exciting. But here's Annie, so It's
directed by John Houston.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
The screen is famous, famous, huge, gigantic director, father of Angelica.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Houston, the the Houston Family.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes, and he he was old when he directed this.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
He died a couple of years later.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Really, yes, and he was like in his eighties.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Wow, doing this unbelievable. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Uh, this is based Carol Sobieski wrote the screenplay. And
this was based on the nineteen seventy seven stage musical
by Charles Strauss, Martin Sharnon, Thomas Meehan, which was based
on the nineteen twenty four comic strip Little Orphan Annie,
which I'll never forget.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I love the comic strip.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You know this comic strip?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yes, you don't know those comic strips.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Well, it's from nineteen twenty four. Did they like revive
the comic strip?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
They must or they must be like a yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Mean they're they're My dad always loved the comic strips
in the newspapers.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Okay, so they must have brought because I'm sure they
brought us this musical and the movie just made it gigantic.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So the music was by Charles Strauss and lyrics by
Martin Sharnon. And I think this is the second point.
Besides the music being sung by kids like Grease, O
G Grease, this music is like really hooky. So these
are good standalone songs.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
It's a hard neck life.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Oh my god, maybe the greatest sample of all time
by jay Z.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
It lives on, It lives on. It's true.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
They're very hooky bangers. They they move the story. They're
sung by a lot of them sung by kids. Some
of the other ones sung by adults are like aspirational,
like from the songs from Grace, Like it's just it's magical.
It's a really magical film and musical.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
That really.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I don't it's hard to explain. It's really hard to
put into words.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
But got all of us.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It was like any and Greece were the things that
we all just latched onto. I used to stand in
my house screaming Tomorrow at the top of my lungs.
But that was my song like that really? Oh yeah,
I was obsessed, like bull. Do you remember that there
(09:11):
was a reality show when we were kids about finding
the next Annie for the Broadway revival?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Oh yeah, yeah so they I mean, I remember that clear,
very vividly in my mind. That show. I also auditioned
for it.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I'm sure you did.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I also auditioned for the Yeah, for the Broadway musical
they had us do Never Fully Dressed. It was like
such a thing, like the whole thing was like kind
of a cultural touch point in both shaping it and
then wanting to be a part.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I remember I was doing the Broadway Kids when I
was younger, and your Bowe and I who has been
has been on the show and she now has her
own show doing the Desperate House.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I was recap who's a dear friend of both of ours.
Uh Is.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Andrea was really really little when we were doing Baby Kids,
but you know, her older sisters and brothers were all
in it as well, and we would do a hard
knock Life into maybe into tomorrow on in the show.
It was an hour musical review of all kids shows,
and we did the hard It's a hard Knock Life,
(10:29):
And the choreography was like very intricate and somehow, tiny
little Andrea was always just like not missing a beat,
try with like brushes and hitting and buckets and stepping,
and it's just it's.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
So ingrained in my mind. But I don't even know.
I think I cried a hundred times while I was
watching rewatching this too, or yesterday.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Did you did you watch it with your kids?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I was at my desk watching it because I was like,
I was just working and I was watching.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
It, and Emma was home and she came over because
she heard the music and just stood next to the
desk and like started watching it. And I turned around
and she's like, they're standing watching it at me. I
don't like like her watching TV in the middle of
the day, but I'm doing it. And she was just like.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Totally eyes like wide open, not speaking at all, and
I was like, I think I need to show her
this month. I sit her down because like the live
actions are so great to show her, especially the older
you know, like the more the classics like sound of music.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
She loves sound of music. So yeah, I mean I
think it gets every kid. Yeah, I'm pretty sure girls
like with these dogs. The touring shows came through Dallas.
My mom took me to see it.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Of course, So let's go through some of this stuff
because you know, there's some fun facts and obviously you know,
talking about the production and then we can't kind of
talk about our feelings about more of it.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
But So Annie the Musical opened in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
It was a huge hit.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
It won six Ohran for six years, I won seven Toni's,
including Best Musical, Best Score, Best Book. Yeah, I mean
it was gigantic. One of the replacements later on was
s JP.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Wow, and Andrew mccartl was Annie That's insane. So the
musical was kind of also inspired.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
By uh.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
The Orighan heroes in like Oliver Twist India for Coppeefield
characters who like Annie face hardship with hope and resilience.
Because me and Thomas Min couldn't really find much story
in the original comic strip, to be fair, so this
was like in the new Depression era setting and it
(13:09):
ran for two thousand, three hundred and seventy seven performances.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
What's crazy is that it ended the year this movie
came out. I feel like it would have totally like
revived the Broadway run Wow, but it did have you know,
like tours or it's the legacy of it. The weird
thing is so okay, the movie had this gigantic budget
for the time. It was thirty five million plus around
(13:36):
thirteen million.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
For nineteen eighty two. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It was one of the priceist musicals ever and the
most ecssive project ever done by Columbia Pictures at that point.
And it grossed fifty seven million, which is not that
great off of a thirty five million dollar budget. But look,
we were born years after this and watched it repeatedly,
(14:06):
so I think like video sales.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Of course, now.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
It's like, you know, a classic and just's reruns and streaming.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And all of that.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, I mean I got nominated for two Oscars, Right
Direction and Best Song Score.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I mean, look, if you were doing if it grossed
fifty seven million and the budget was ten right, twenty even,
but you know you're at thirty five million, that's more
than half of it. So yeah, I guess that's why.
So some fun casting facts.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
So the role of Annie was determined after a nationwide
search involving nine thousand girls across the United States, and
that's without social media. Everybody, US, Canada and Europe. Wow,
they were looking everywhere and they made a little special
Annie Academy before Aileen Quinn, nine year old, was officially
(14:58):
selected for the rest crazy I know Albert Finney, who
ultimately starred as Daddy Warbucks.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Was considered, along with some other names like Sean Connery
and Carrie Grant. It's like, what about Telly savalis so true?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
But also he was so good.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Similarly that Midler was approached for Miss Hannigan, which would
have loved to see Bett Miller's Miss Hannigan. Oh yeah,
she's got to have played Miss Hannigan at some point
in her life, don't you think before Miss Queen Carol
Burnett was casting me the character.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I mean, truly.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Incredible and also just love. I love that Carol Burnett
played this in the film, and then Jane played this
Broadway and the revival and then they were mother and
daughter Unglee, Like just that is a crazy weird circle.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
The fact that like Carol Burnett, like at the I'm
just like, he's really going to kill her, She's just
a baby, Like it just killed me. I don't know
what that was, but the turn from her hate, like
the complexity of the character that she played and what
she brought to it in treating these girls like complete
(16:19):
but also then the deep love that you learn about her, which.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I don't even know what it is, and I don't
even know what it is.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Still but I don't care, it doesn't matter, Like it
was phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
It's also one of those things like Carol Burnett, like
Jane is able to play like all that crazy and
mean and sinister and then on a dime, have so
much depth of emotion, which obviously you know, that's why
(16:53):
she's a legend, because that is a crazy skill to have.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yes, I mean, I think that's part of it.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Kevin is like, you know, the thing that hooked us
was like the chemistry all of these musical movies that
we've been watching, all of them that are complete hits
that in their own right, you know, however you look
at it, the chemistry was there, and these heavy hitters,
like hit like star after star after star, iconic actors
(17:26):
in these roles with this chemistry that just fits and
works like Rooster right, which anybody could have played right,
like any of these characters, any of these people that
they were looking at Jack Nicholson, McJagger, Mickey Rooney, Steve Martin,
Are you kidding? Before Tim Curry was chosen, Tim Curry,
(17:47):
Curry was perfect, but like wow, yeah, and look at
what Tim did in Rocky versus this character, Like what
versatility for an actor.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
What a dream, but then also perfect.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I also thought that they created the role of Pepper
for Roseanne Sorrentino, who was Annie on the national tour,
so they can put her in the movie. She was
considered for Annie, but then they she was too old,
so they made a whole role for her. And then
you had like and Ryan King. Wow, who was Grace
and is a fossy trained Broadway dancer. I mean she is,
(18:27):
and she is number.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I there's not a lot of things I can say
about any of these people. And Ryan King, I mean
she is just royalty Broadway royalty. Yeah, absolutely, And she
was so graceful and so beautiful and just the most
(18:59):
aspirational person.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And in this film, just die.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
So not to shame any of you, or to shame
all of you if you've been living under a rock
and are not familiar with Annie. Annie is the story
of a plucky, redhaired girl who dreams of life outside
her dreary orphanage, and one day Annie is chosen to
stay one week with the famous billionaire Daddy Warbucks, and
one week turns into many. The only person standing in
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the way of Annie's fun is miss Hannigan. The jin
soaked ruler of the Orphanage played by Caraburnett. Will miss
Hannigan's Zany attempts to kidnap an irrepressible Annie, succeed enjoy
all the unforgettable songs, including It's a Hard Knock Life
and Tomorrow. That's the official Sony summary.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's a few songs that got caught
from Broadway that didn't make it into the film. Oh,
I'd like to thank you Herbert Hoover and YC which
Glee did You won't be an Orphane for long, Something
(20:06):
was Missing Annie, and a new Deal for Christmas.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And then there were five songs.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Created specifically for the movie, Dumb Dog, Sandy, Let's Go
to the Movies, Sign, and We Got Annie.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I don't have many problems with this movie or complaints.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, but here.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Is one of them. Yes, Yeah, because you spent a
lot of time on things like Dumb Dog and Sandy,
Let's Go to the Movie was really fun, and We
Got Annie was really fun. But like, yeah, that movie's
really long.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, and that you could have you could have trimmed
some of that, Yeah, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I mean Let's Go to the Movies was actually one
of the most important numbers.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And then I mean stunning, Like let's go to the movies.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Well, you have the one hundred and seventy five Rockets,
you have Radio City Music Hall, and then you have
The Turn where Daddy Warwocks falls in love.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
The yeah period, But I missed NYC. I definitely missed NYC.
I get it.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
There's also something you know, when movies take place in
LA and they're making movies about LA, it doesn't have
never has any magic to me. But when movies take
place in NYC. Oh, yeah, and you have an incredible
song like NYC. Right, New York is always such a
great character to a movie, and it's such a great
(21:40):
backdrop for this movie. It is you know, it's inherent
to the story. Like this movie obviously takes place in
New York and I.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Just need it to get it. Yeah, I get it.
I understand.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
So the director of this movie, right, like we said,
Houston directs it. Originally they wanted Mike Nichols to direct it, Wow,
which would have been crazy. The Columbia bought the rights
for this alone for nine point five million, Wow, the
most ever paid at that time. Yes, so they even
(22:15):
considered to direct at Herbross Randall Kleiser, who directed Degrees
Fossey frans Sport Coppola Absolutely nuts wow, And I was
like where did they film all this? Primarily at Mommouth
College now Monwau University in New Jersey. And the Warbocks Mansion,
(22:38):
which is what I was most curious about, was filmed
at Shadow Lane Shadow Lawn mansion furnished with elaborate props
and it teas valued at more than one hundred k.
So like, it's actually at a real place.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I mean, I got to be I couldn't. That place
is chick getting I know? Where is that? Is that
in Jersey? Yeah, it's in New Jersey. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And West Long Branch, New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Wow? Oh no, that's not with college sorry?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Oh yeah shadow Yeah, it's a historic building on the
campus with mana.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Oh that's that's part of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
That makes it's not a home, it's a hall.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
And then they ended up shooting some of it in
Burbank in California. They did they spent five months building
a massive replica of the New York City streets.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Is that nuts?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah? Thatsign passed away during filming. Oh and then it
was the back lot was renamed after him.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh I didn't know that. So okay. The Easy Street
was such a great number, and it was initially stages,
a large outdoor sequence that took a week to film
and cost over one million dollars. Well, the producers felt it.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Was overproduced, rightfully, so, but the number was reshot two
months later as a more intimate indoor scene that better
resembled the Broadway version.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You know, reshot, I respect that. I respect that too,
that's right.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
But then I remember there was a TV version of
this movie that christ and Chanowa did correct and she played.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
What's her name, Bernatte Peters character, and they did it
on the streets. I mean, they were fake streets. But
I loved it because it's called Easy Street, right. So
I understand being overproduced. I understand like the gritty of
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like the movie and the tone of the movie, but like, wow, wow, wow,
I would have loved to see that one, that cut scene.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
There is some controversy around some of the creative changes
from the stage production to the movie. So Carol Sobieski,
who wrote this screenplay, moved the timeline from Christmas to
the fourth of July hm hmm, and then something that
you mentioned already about miss Hannigan. It's her redemption arc
(25:27):
to save Annie from Rooster. Yeah, but watching it now,
I do sort of love it.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yes, I think it needed it.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, I don't look I don't have all these changes.
The film reintroduced two characters from the original Little Orphan
anti comic ship, poon Job and the ASP, who serve
as the bodyguards.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
That Job. I mean, he's so important, just.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
As many reasons why that was, you.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Know, I know, but poon Job was. But I love
going chap he got magic to the.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Film, and then the film's original lyricist, Martin Tarnan, was
outspoken about the movie, said that he was that distorted
with the musical, was criticizing Houston and Start for their
creative direction and said that Daddy Warbucks was an Englishman
(26:27):
who screamed, and missus Hanigan was a man crazy drunk
and Annie was cued up. Now here's where I agree
with him. He talked about how the producers downplayed Tomorrow
because it was too corny. I do think they downplayed
Tomorrow too much, like there was no moment for Tomorrow,
(26:52):
Like I wanted a full Tomorrow number.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Am I wrong? I didn't bother me, I think because
it didn't feel like a performance, which I kind of liked,
like it was part of the scene.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
It was, but like I wanted it to come back
in a bigger way or something.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I understand, I get it. I don't think. I don't.
I don't know that I needed that from tomorrow. Tomorrow
is just Tomorrow, like it's always going to be the.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Song for Anny, right, And I don't know, I felt
like I felt satisfied.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I felt satisfied.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I was a little I was a little let down.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I understand.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I loved emotionally how it worked in the.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Movie, and the scene was so cute. The scene was
really great.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, like if we're gonna have Annie, And on the
poster it says the musical of quote unquote tomorrow you
have Roosevelt singing most of this.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I don't know, I'm a hater, that's okay.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I I think you are not in the minority here.
And people who felt like it was definitely a little
looked over for to be the song Tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
That being said, I love this movie.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I mean, this is just so good. It is so good.
It's giving me newsies vibes.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Fully. I was like we have to watch Newsies after this.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, fully Newsies vibes.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I mean a movie like I love a little period
piece and great depression, like nineteen thirty two.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
The Orphanage, Like all the numbers in the Orphanage, from
Annie to like from Maybe and with the Molly, it
like sets up perfectly who Annie is to all.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
These girls immediately.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
And.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Oh man, it's just there's something so real about it
in the subject.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Matter of these girls.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
And I don't know, but it's also like there's this
elevated concept of like going to be with Daddy Warbucks
and like a billionaire and the you know, and.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Just like bringing her in and it's just but there's
a there's a really fine balance that they found of
and the want for Annie and the want for these
girls is so strong that like you never have to wonder,
(29:36):
And I think that's part of it, is like I
know exactly what each character wants because it's so blatantly obvious.
But I want that in this film.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
When do you ever get, like any such a complex character. Yeah,
she's like she's a survivor. She's just like, yeah, ten
year old little girl, and there's nobody that she can't handle.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, and and grit and integrity like daddy billionaire Daddy
Warmocks is like let me take you in and adapty
and she's like I'm waiting for my parents, Like yes,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Like there's such a there's so much integrity and character
to Annie that you're like, Wow, no wonder we all
love her so much.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, no wonder we are rooting for her.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
And she clearly knows so deeply what she wants in
her heart and gets it right.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
And like the music moves it. These girls are so adorable.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Like the songs melodically are beautiful and catchy and fun
and easy to sing and you just want to like
sing them in the shower and in the car, and
I'm dying for Emma to do like you're never fully dressed.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Like there's just like such a joy to the reality
of this like world they're living. It's like positive and bright,
even though the circumstances they're all in.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
That's the thing. Like maybe it's such a hopeful song,
but it's so devastatingly devastating tomorrow I'm still devastatingly sad.
But these melodies are so powerful, yeah, and moving, and
(31:24):
they cast the right Annie.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Because nine thousand kids.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
She was able, like in some of those other kids,
speaking in like a technical level, right, like they're aware
there's a camera in the room. Yeah, I think Quinn
owned she was. She went up against she went up
against Albert Finney and was like completely fine. I was like,
(31:53):
let me just manipulate Daddy Warbucks real quick. Yeah, like
it's totally fine. And like hung with these legends, hung
with Carol Burnett and Ryan King, Yeah, no problem. Tim
Curry like no issues, no wow. And she's she was
nine or something when she got this movie, and she's
(32:14):
in almost one hundred percent of this movie. She's almost
in every single scene, and it's it's just a powerhouse performance.
I mean, she's singing, she's singing recorded materials. It sounds
like she's singing some live material like Tomorrow sounds live
for the first part of it. She's tapping with Albert
Finney at the end, like they're doing big set piece
(32:36):
numbers where they're moving around buildings.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
The music was also not overly produced, which I appreciated. Yeah, right,
I did too.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
There's also something about I think this is gonna be
a thing I mentioned every single time is the lighting
mm hm, it is lit wonderfully. We can see everybody,
not everything is backlit, and we are seeing dance photographed
really beautifully. We're getting scale, we're getting intimacy where you know, like.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
That's a thirty five million dollar film.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Right, but it also comes it's also like a.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Depth of knowledge. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's talent and like like you're able to
shoot like a huge number at the end, and you're
also able to shoot some of these more intimate numbers
and then like.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Just hard knock life, you're able to shoot going through
this entire orphanage we're seeing. We're seeing the setting at
the same time we're seeing all these characters and we're
also seeing like a beautifully well choreographed number.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, and there it was. I thought it was shot
really beautifully.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, the movement, the stillness, the close ups, like, I
thought it was shot really well, like and the numbers
were shot well. Yeah, it wasn't a I mean there
was a lot of dancing actually, and it was shot well.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Because I think good sometimes like you know, walking with
intention or just like blocking doesn't look like choreo, but
that's all choreograph.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
The camera was really moving with them like it was
really dancing with them. I thought, yes, especially in like
the the the more dancing numbers with ann Oh, that
was gorgeous, beautiful, gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
It's because it's not at that point too, You're like,
let's just see the movement, like, let me say it's
I think it's such a skill to know of, like
when to let the camera be out of the way.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. So we started in the
Orphanage and we're doing Maybe, and we're doing Hard Knock
Life and we're doing Mollie.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
That's crazy like banger after banger.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
And then starts off like this and mister Bundles comes.
Do you think that Hard Knock Life or Tomorrow is
more quintessential Annie? I think Hard Knock Life is well
based off of this movie Hard Knock Life, but in
your opinion as a child, it was Tomorrow. I do
(35:12):
think Hard Knock Life is more of.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
The I agree, No, I agree with you, and I
just the.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Way it's shot, in the way that they do it,
and the kids and the movements, it all just I
think it's perfectly shot. It's so good, it's perfect. And
then when they stick her in the Lamberer he has
the laundry, and Miss Hannigan comes in. You see Carol
Vernett for the first time, and you know that we
love you, Miss Hannigan. It's every piece of this is
(35:44):
like if you took snapshots of each of these scenes,
they are iconic. Branny, I feel like, yes, they're.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Part of the film, They're part of the musical. And
Sandy when she's like, is the dog gonna come to her?
And then in the broader musical when the dog runs,
everybody a plot.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Like yeah, oh man going along with Annie's storyline of
like she goes and you know she says they do.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
I think I'm gonna like it here where you set
up with Grace and like, gosh, I could I could
talk about this song all day long. It could be
done really terribly, and I've seen productions where it's done
really terribly. But like in this movie, I think the
musical is a little bit grittier and a little bit darker,
and it can be because it's stage. But this one
obviously is a big box office kind of like Blockbuster
(36:35):
production where you are seeing Daddy Warbucks as home and
you're seeing the contrast between the orphanage and Daddy Warbucks
and I like that. I mean, I'm gonna like it
here she leads that so beautifully and ranking, and like
it's all the staff. You fall in love with the staff,
and if you watch them fall in love with Annie,
and like, it just.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Softens their whole the whole presence of the house. And
it's just like it's very very important to me that number.
I don't know why, but especially watching it again, I
was like, right, I don't think that I appreciated as
much back in the day because like, of course it
was all about the orphans and like.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
You know, their songs, but like appreciating Grace in a
different way now I.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Felt the exact same way. I also thought it did
what Hard Knock Life did for us, where it introduced
us to the entire landscape of what we're dealing with here, right,
And also like what you said, to be able to
show how needed a personality like Annie was in that house, yep,
(37:41):
and how everyone knew Daddy Warbucks needed that. All that
comes through in one song, and like, I don't like
when a song is just there to exist. This song
has a purpose and shows you everything you need to
know about Daddy Warbuck. Daddy Warbucks and his house.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, yeah, and every and like.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Obviously that's a huge part of this movie and show.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I also love I feel like being able to show
how in the beginning of the movie how Annie is
sort of like house mother, like den mother to all
the girls and they come to her rescue.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
By the end of it so sweet, and then all
the worlds are colliding, which I appreciate, Like it's not
too all over the place.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
There's not too many characters.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Like even though like there are a lot of characters,
they're all uh intertwined, and they're all.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
In this like very compact world of like the orphans.
You have the Daddy Warbucks.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
World, you have the Miss Hannigan and Rooster and Lily
Saint James world, and like that's it.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, that's it. You also get a little Roosevelt, and
I love like having the little like jokes about eleanor Roosevelt.
I like, you know, you see.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I also like at the current times of like like
being able.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
To get Daddy Warbucks out of his comfort zone he
goes on the radio show. That whole bit is so
good Annie, seeing how it's being made is just really wonderful.
Like being able to see all this through a child's eyes.
And at the same time, there's really serious stuff going on, right,
Like you have adults trying to fully take advantage of
the situation, take advantage of Annie. Then you have adults
(39:22):
who are really wealthy and are using those powers, and like,
what are Daddy Warbucks businesses? And why does he have
this much access to the president? But he all of
a sudden has a heart of gold and is trying
to help this orphan who he really cares about. Yes,
And then you have Annie who goes from being hard
(39:43):
and being tough and manipulating everybody in any situation to
then like it's like the first true thing she says,
like amongst adults is like when Daddy Warbucks goes to
say he wants to adopt her. Yep, And like you said,
(40:04):
because the cast is it feels like it's a lot,
but really it's a simple sorry. And because it does
such a good job of making us want know their
wants and needs that when that moment does happen and
they all band together to like figure.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
It out, he's like, great, call everybody.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah, it's like everybody shows love in a very different way.
His his you know, call this person and call that
person and get the helicopter and get you.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Know, yeah yeah, and the girls are you know, chasing
and they sneak out and Grace is like just the
heart of it all and so they just all have
different Yeah, they all come at it from different ways.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
But justice, Grace, justice, for she is doing everything. She
is running that country. Yes, okay, let's talk about the
rescue scene for a second.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I fully forgotten this rescue scene existed totally.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I get why. I get it. I get it.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
We're in a big movie. We need a big climax,
we need a big ending. We need Rooster to go
after her. I don't know that it has to be
that big.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Like she is. I am worried she is going to fall.
It reminds me of the kindergarten cop when he climbs
all day to the time.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
But it was effective and I felt things and I
was I was nervous.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I was watching. I was like, forgot this happened. What happens?
Obviously we know what happens, but you know, see how
it all plays out, and it's just sweet.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
And I think we were seeing Annie also in a
light where she's not the tough one, she's in a
vulnerable position, very vulnerab well, like you know, and so
I think there was part of that. Also is like
finally seeing her in a place where she's like, I
need help. I'm not perfect, I'm not you know, like
this isn't all.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Gonna be okay.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
So one situation she can't get herself out out.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yes, yes, thank you, thank you. I don't hate it
and I'm not against it, and I get it, but
I don't remember what.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
They did in the.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
In the yeah, how does the stage show end?
Speaker 1 (42:30):
I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
I I mean I it feels like classic movie, like
we have to up the stakes, we have to give
a reason why Miss Hand again changes her tune and
like shows that she actually does care about these kids
when it comes to something actually serious. And I thought
they like threaded that needle pretty well, like they didn't
hit you over the head with it. Like all the
(42:54):
dialogue is happening within the action of Tim Curry running
after her, and she says, very quickly, here's what I
feel like, so many movies now are just dumbed down.
I don't think this movie's dumbed down at all.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Agreed, Right, that's right, it is.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
One line, it's like, oh my god, I think he
actually means it and then runs after him. Yes, yes,
like we're not spelling it all out for you. No,
we're capturing it in real time. I did think, Yeah,
that whole thing was a little crazy. We went to
murder and we're going to kill her. But to be fair,
(43:32):
it is in the middle of the depression. Fifty thousand
dollars and she just ripped it up. And you have
these people who clearly do not.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Care any about anything except for money, right, and so
I mean again, we are motivated. Yeah, we are motivated.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I'm not mad about it.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Do you also remember the other version of Annie that
came out when we were kids, the TV one with
Kathy Bates and Victor Carverer. No, so in nineteen eighty nine,
there was like a TV remakere Yes Downcoming Oh Christ Jennow.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yes, it was the one of Christ I'm sorry, Yes, yes,
I do remember this one very vividly.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Because that was also a big deal to me.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Roger McDonald's Yeah, Alicia Morton, Yeah, yeah. Alisha Morton was
also in Limiz on Broadway. I knew her, so, like, yeah,
this was circling the world of like it was. That
was an important one.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
That was like around the time they were doing like
Cinderella with Brandy If I'm impossible? Yeah, yeah, uh, should
we great some performances?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, there are so many numbers in this, I know,
let's go through some of the most you know, let's
go through some highlights tomorrow. I mean A A maybe
A plus. It's hard.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
I'm realizing it's hard for me to separate my love
for these songs.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
And then it was really beautiful hard enough life Yeah, uh,
Sandy B plus Yeah, I don't know. I think I'm
gonna like it here A plus Little Girls, she's so good. Hey,
let's go to the movies. Its okay, I think it's absurd.
(45:30):
It is.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
I'm like, I'll allow you one thing that doesn't need
to be in here.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, but he moved the plot.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
We had to go to the movies. We had to
go to the movies. So what I did, never fully
adress without a smile?
Speaker 1 (45:43):
A plus?
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yes, So I also love that, like the version of Glee. Yeah,
of never fully Dressed I thought was really wonderful, Like
like we did Little Girls and y C and a
mashup have never fully dressed out a smile.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yeah. Yeah, and like.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
The weird I never even realized that, like s JP
is doing that number.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, like how cool that is.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
And then you know, obviously, like we said when we
actually were recapping Glee, like Little Girls was done by
Sue and then Jane was doing.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Yeah Annie, I'm on Broadway.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Yeah. Uh, tomorrow the White House version Kevin look.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Still tomorrow it is, and I like it in the movie, Like, Okay,
I'm not saying I don't I'm not no, listen, I'm
not saying I don't like how it was used.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
I wish it was used again or more got it
A yeah, easy street.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
I'm going to give it an A and I'm going
to give them one million dollar reshoot in A plus
plus because I didn't see it, but I see it.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I must see it. Yeah, I'm sure it's out there somewhere. Uh.
And then I don't need anything about you A plus
A plus uh Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
And tomorrow, I mean it's kind of there, kind of
not kind of washed over again, let's see some tarty takes,
cringe moments.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Job. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
I also don't think they cast the right ethnicity person
for the rule.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah. I like the the yeah, just leap.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
You know, there's like child abuse things going on, right,
Miss Hannigan yeating them and then like a drunk and yeah,
and her brother is like actively trying to kill a child.
But like that's essential to the story, right right, right, right,
Like it's supposed to be bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
We're not. Well hopefully we're not sensationalized. They're not.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Yeah, okay, uh, best dance move I mean and Ryan
King everything, honorable mention to the tap dancing.
Speaker 5 (48:19):
Oh yeah, fully, what's your favorite song? Hard Knock Life? Yes,
it's a banger.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
That's right, you know it. It is so good.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
Hard Knock Life is one of those songs that like,
will ever forever be just a part of my life.
Yeah it is songs, yeah, no, all of them, but
hard Knock especially performance by a.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Prop Buckets and mops.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
I'm going with the locket. Oh you know I was
Annie for Halloween one year. Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (49:00):
And Meghan was and Meghan Doyle was Miss Hannigan.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
That's no, I don't remember that.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
I will send a photo for you guys to us.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Maybe maybe I did have a big red wig and
I did have a locket and I did have a
red dress and I did.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Put maybe I should be any one year. You should definitely,
and Austin should be. Miss Hannagan. That's actually the great.
Why didn't you do that last this past I guess
you weren't just it. I didn't do anything but uh
best line.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Oh man, if this floor doesn't shine like the top
of the Chrysler Belding.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah, classic, right. I did like.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Lily Saint Regis name from the hotel.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Hmmmm mmmmmmmmm.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
I also like Daddy Warwick's talking to Annie and saying,
can we have a man demand conversation?
Speaker 3 (49:55):
Their whole like stick of like the two of them
back and forth was always very so.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Cute, the whole scene where she gets in the pool
and it's just like reading him to filth.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
I love it. I found it. Show me this photo.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Oh my god, I need Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah, twenty fourteen. It's stunning. Okay, sorry, performances, are you
kidding me? Everybody? Honestly, everybody but everybody.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Yes, you can't. There is no movie without Annie.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yeah, and she is just winning.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Unbelievable, truly unbelievable. I was really looking forward to that
and it did not disappoint it did not. No, I
hope you all enjoyed if you watched it with us,
and if you didn't, go watch it. It's so good,
so good, Jenna. Shit, we found on TikTok there's a
(51:06):
glee cabaret at Marymount.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
I am not okay. That is my old hall. I
performed in that room. Yep.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
And this is a four minute and twenty two second
video of people doing.
Speaker 5 (51:22):
The hall.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Oh my god, I am having stomach aches. Wow, isn't
it crazy? This is weird. I just have like my
I just said, okay, I'm very out of body. That
is wild.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
I mean, oh, Like they shot videos for it. There's
videos on the screen.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
She did non joy run. Yes.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Wow, they acted out scenes.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
This is crazy.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
The hallway fight scene they acted out. There's everything. This
is unbelievable. Wow.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Wow go Mary Amount.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Dang Wow, they have outfits and everything.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
Shout out to Marymount. Y'all. Remembernhean college id like me
at the end walk through those halls is freaking out. Yeah,
it's like a lot I did I remember I was
saying one day more in that Oh my god? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (52:31):
What is what is that hall?
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Is it? It's used for performances everything. They do it
for performances and orientations and meetings. And I'm trying to
remember if it was in the New Gen or if
that was in the main hall, but it was used
for a lot and then obviously we used it for
performances because there's a piano in every room.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
See Manny is the one who posted that. And wow,
really incredible.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
M O.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Right, Jenna, tell us what's coming up next week?
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Oh my god, you're excited for next week? Is drum
roll please? Wicked? I have I have so many stories.
This is very exciting. We have Wicked.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
So buckle up because Wicked too, Part two for Good
is coming out.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
So we're just gearing up for gearing.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
Up doing a little review. It will be my fourth
time seeing it.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
Okay, I will tell you when I had Graham, he
was only like a week old when it came out
and I was like, I.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Gotta see Wicked. So did I take my new one
to see Wicked in the movie theater with headphones on? Yes?
Speaker 2 (53:50):
Absolutely, the things you do.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Very excited to revisit this a year later. Thanks for
joining us, everybody. We hope you joined Annie. Watch Wicked
come back next week and that's.
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really have no idea what's going on in your life.
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Come to both of us. I took a picture. When
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Speaker 2 (01:22):
I know, but I'm gonna want it to be perfect, I.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Know, which is what you'll be chasing your entire run.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
But it's such a fun show, so so excited for you.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Did you know Lily Cooper is one of the funniest
people on the planet.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yes, I did, kemmish, I, yes, I did.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I can't look at her, I simply we can't look
at each other. Like she did something the other day,
I do something like in her face, and then she
laughed at her own reaction to me, and then I
started laughing her laughing at herself.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
You guys are funny. That's funny. I love that.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I was really bad on stage and like broke a
lot and like tried not to break a lot. But
there was one point where Christopher still look at me
and he was like, you know, you're on stage right,
and I feel like Neil and Lily are going to
be that.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
It's really bad.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
It's really I'm glad I figured that out now because
it's happened one too many times where we just share
a look really quickly at the exact same time. And
that's why I'm practicing not breaking.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Just wait until you guys get into the run to
the point where you're like playing like past the sticker
or something like do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, you're comfortable enough. Speaking of musicals, today, we are
looking back at.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
An iconic piece of musical theater that shaped every young
girl and boys musical theater love in when they were children. Yea,
it is the one and only Annie.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
The nineteen eighty three movie. I mean, how cute is she?
I No, I'm sorry, it's the nineteen eighty two movie.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
This movie, musical, all of it. Amy Pueller just talked
about this on her podcast with Them.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh really, what did she say?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
You remember who her guest was at the time. Was
Either it wasn't Mrshca Hardiget. Maybe it was no, not
Kate McKinnon. It was one of somebody she had on recently.
Was a christ Wig.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Maybe yes, it might have been christa Wig, one of
those wonderful, highly talented icons that she's had on her
incredibly successful podcast.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Maybe Rachel Dratch. Maybe Rachel Dratch.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
About how Annie was like such a piece of a
monumental piece of history in all of our lives.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yes, why, I mean watching this, are you able to
tell why?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I think it's no singular thing.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
It's not singular. It's but I think a majority of
the music and the show is.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Is encompassed by young girls. And they're young. They're young,
and they're peers. So like, as a youth watching somebody,
you're like, oh, these songs were sung by people my age,
these songs are relatable or can be relatable. You're not
singing adult songs. So I think part of it was
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like attaching yourself to these kids. And then a part
of it was like.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Every musical theater teacher, every school, every showcase you do
when you're a kid, every class or whatever, you're singing
any because these kids are like, it's age appropriate. Finally,
like there's stuff forgets to sing.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I recently saw a video of Audern McDonald talking about
a song she used to sing as a child, and
people would be.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Like, you, you're.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Singing that, because so often that that was the case.
Annie was like the.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Exception to that. Yes, and then there's all these kids
blowing their voices out on tomorrow and maybe but what
a joy, What a joy.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So Annie the movie premiered May twenty first, nineteen eighty two,
just a few weeks before Greece too, So the same
pop culture stuff is going on. Ebney and Ivory is
still the number one song in the country. Conan the Barbarian, Yes,
have you never heard of that? I have, I just
(05:40):
never saw it. I didn't either, Arnold Schwarzenegger, James Earl Jones.
I mean, obviously, yeah, it was number one. Obviously there's
no Glee news at this point because none of us
were even blearn yet. But it's the year of leg
warmers and MTV and big hair.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Biggest hair.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's only three. It's like, I can't believe Annie in
Greece to Conan the Barbarian, like Charot's a fire on
the oscar that year the Tiger, Yeah, like e t Wow,
what a crazy year.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, what a time? What a time?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Uh we've got the beat by the Go Gos, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Wow, Like Thriller is being recorded.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Eddie Murphy's on SNL like it's a it's a wild,
wild time.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, very wild and exciting. But here's Annie, so It's
directed by John Houston.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
The screen is famous, famous, huge, gigantic director, father of Angelica.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Houston, the the Houston Family.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes, and he he was old when he directed this.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
He died a couple of years later.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Really, yes, and he was like in his eighties.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Wow, doing this unbelievable. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Uh, this is based Carol Sobieski wrote the screenplay. And
this was based on the nineteen seventy seven stage musical
by Charles Strauss, Martin Sharnon, Thomas Meehan, which was based
on the nineteen twenty four comic strip Little Orphan Annie,
which I'll never forget.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I love the comic strip.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You know this comic strip?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yes, you don't know those comic strips.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Well, it's from nineteen twenty four. Did they like revive
the comic strip?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
They must or they must be like a yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Mean they're they're My dad always loved the comic strips
in the newspapers.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Okay, so they must have brought because I'm sure they
brought us this musical and the movie just made it gigantic.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So the music was by Charles Strauss and lyrics by
Martin Sharnon. And I think this is the second point.
Besides the music being sung by kids like Grease, O
G Grease, this music is like really hooky. So these
are good standalone songs.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
It's a hard neck life.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Oh my god, maybe the greatest sample of all time
by jay Z.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
It lives on, It lives on. It's true.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
They're very hooky bangers. They they move the story. They're
sung by a lot of them sung by kids. Some
of the other ones sung by adults are like aspirational,
like from the songs from Grace, Like it's just it's magical.
It's a really magical film and musical.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
That really.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I don't it's hard to explain. It's really hard to
put into words.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
But got all of us.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It was like any and Greece were the things that
we all just latched onto. I used to stand in
my house screaming Tomorrow at the top of my lungs.
But that was my song like that really? Oh yeah,
I was obsessed, like bull. Do you remember that there
(09:11):
was a reality show when we were kids about finding
the next Annie for the Broadway revival?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Oh yeah, yeah so they I mean, I remember that clear,
very vividly in my mind. That show. I also auditioned
for it.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I'm sure you did.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I also auditioned for the Yeah, for the Broadway musical
they had us do Never Fully Dressed. It was like
such a thing, like the whole thing was like kind
of a cultural touch point in both shaping it and
then wanting to be a part.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I remember I was doing the Broadway Kids when I
was younger, and your Bowe and I who has been
has been on the show and she now has her
own show doing the Desperate House.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I was recap who's a dear friend of both of ours.
Uh Is.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Andrea was really really little when we were doing Baby Kids,
but you know, her older sisters and brothers were all
in it as well, and we would do a hard
knock Life into maybe into tomorrow on in the show.
It was an hour musical review of all kids shows,
and we did the hard It's a hard Knock Life,
(10:29):
And the choreography was like very intricate and somehow, tiny
little Andrea was always just like not missing a beat,
try with like brushes and hitting and buckets and stepping,
and it's just it's.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
So ingrained in my mind. But I don't even know.
I think I cried a hundred times while I was
watching rewatching this too, or yesterday.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Did you did you watch it with your kids?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I was at my desk watching it because I was like,
I was just working and I was watching.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
It, and Emma was home and she came over because
she heard the music and just stood next to the
desk and like started watching it. And I turned around
and she's like, they're standing watching it at me. I
don't like like her watching TV in the middle of
the day, but I'm doing it. And she was just like.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Totally eyes like wide open, not speaking at all, and
I was like, I think I need to show her
this month. I sit her down because like the live
actions are so great to show her, especially the older
you know, like the more the classics like sound of music.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
She loves sound of music. So yeah, I mean I
think it gets every kid. Yeah, I'm pretty sure girls
like with these dogs. The touring shows came through Dallas.
My mom took me to see it.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Of course, So let's go through some of this stuff
because you know, there's some fun facts and obviously you know,
talking about the production and then we can't kind of
talk about our feelings about more of it.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
But So Annie the Musical opened in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
It was a huge hit.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
It won six Ohran for six years, I won seven Toni's,
including Best Musical, Best Score, Best Book. Yeah, I mean
it was gigantic. One of the replacements later on was
s JP.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Wow, and Andrew mccartl was Annie That's insane. So the
musical was kind of also inspired.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
By uh.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
The Orighan heroes in like Oliver Twist India for Coppeefield
characters who like Annie face hardship with hope and resilience.
Because me and Thomas Min couldn't really find much story
in the original comic strip, to be fair, so this
was like in the new Depression era setting and it
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ran for two thousand, three hundred and seventy seven performances.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
What's crazy is that it ended the year this movie
came out. I feel like it would have totally like
revived the Broadway run Wow, but it did have you know,
like tours or it's the legacy of it. The weird
thing is so okay, the movie had this gigantic budget
for the time. It was thirty five million plus around
(13:36):
thirteen million.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
For nineteen eighty two. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It was one of the priceist musicals ever and the
most ecssive project ever done by Columbia Pictures at that point.
And it grossed fifty seven million, which is not that
great off of a thirty five million dollar budget. But look,
we were born years after this and watched it repeatedly,
(14:06):
so I think like video sales.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Of course, now.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
It's like, you know, a classic and just's reruns and streaming.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And all of that.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, I mean I got nominated for two Oscars, Right
Direction and Best Song Score.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I mean, look, if you were doing if it grossed
fifty seven million and the budget was ten right, twenty even,
but you know you're at thirty five million, that's more
than half of it. So yeah, I guess that's why.
So some fun casting facts.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
So the role of Annie was determined after a nationwide
search involving nine thousand girls across the United States, and
that's without social media. Everybody, US, Canada and Europe. Wow,
they were looking everywhere and they made a little special
Annie Academy before Aileen Quinn, nine year old, was officially
(14:58):
selected for the rest crazy I know Albert Finney, who
ultimately starred as Daddy Warbucks.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Was considered, along with some other names like Sean Connery
and Carrie Grant. It's like, what about Telly savalis so true?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
But also he was so good.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Similarly that Midler was approached for Miss Hannigan, which would
have loved to see Bett Miller's Miss Hannigan. Oh yeah,
she's got to have played Miss Hannigan at some point
in her life, don't you think before Miss Queen Carol
Burnett was casting me the character.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I mean, truly.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Incredible and also just love. I love that Carol Burnett
played this in the film, and then Jane played this
Broadway and the revival and then they were mother and
daughter Unglee, Like just that is a crazy weird circle.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
The fact that like Carol Burnett, like at the I'm
just like, he's really going to kill her, She's just
a baby, Like it just killed me. I don't know
what that was, but the turn from her hate, like
the complexity of the character that she played and what
she brought to it in treating these girls like complete
(16:19):
but also then the deep love that you learn about her, which.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I don't even know what it is, and I don't
even know what it is.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Still but I don't care, it doesn't matter, Like it
was phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
It's also one of those things like Carol Burnett, like
Jane is able to play like all that crazy and
mean and sinister and then on a dime, have so
much depth of emotion, which obviously you know, that's why
(16:53):
she's a legend, because that is a crazy skill to have.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yes, I mean, I think that's part of it.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Kevin is like, you know, the thing that hooked us
was like the chemistry all of these musical movies that
we've been watching, all of them that are complete hits
that in their own right, you know, however you look
at it, the chemistry was there, and these heavy hitters,
like hit like star after star after star, iconic actors
(17:26):
in these roles with this chemistry that just fits and
works like Rooster right, which anybody could have played right,
like any of these characters, any of these people that
they were looking at Jack Nicholson, McJagger, Mickey Rooney, Steve Martin,
Are you kidding? Before Tim Curry was chosen, Tim Curry,
(17:47):
Curry was perfect, but like wow, yeah, and look at
what Tim did in Rocky versus this character, Like what
versatility for an actor.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
What a dream, but then also perfect.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I also thought that they created the role of Pepper
for Roseanne Sorrentino, who was Annie on the national tour,
so they can put her in the movie. She was
considered for Annie, but then they she was too old,
so they made a whole role for her. And then
you had like and Ryan King. Wow, who was Grace
and is a fossy trained Broadway dancer. I mean she is,
(18:27):
and she is number.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I there's not a lot of things I can say
about any of these people. And Ryan King, I mean
she is just royalty Broadway royalty. Yeah, absolutely, And she
was so graceful and so beautiful and just the most
(18:59):
aspirational person.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And in this film, just die.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
So not to shame any of you, or to shame
all of you if you've been living under a rock
and are not familiar with Annie. Annie is the story
of a plucky, redhaired girl who dreams of life outside
her dreary orphanage, and one day Annie is chosen to
stay one week with the famous billionaire Daddy Warbucks, and
one week turns into many. The only person standing in
(19:26):
the way of Annie's fun is miss Hannigan. The jin
soaked ruler of the Orphanage played by Caraburnett. Will miss
Hannigan's Zany attempts to kidnap an irrepressible Annie, succeed enjoy
all the unforgettable songs, including It's a Hard Knock Life
and Tomorrow. That's the official Sony summary.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's a few songs that got caught
from Broadway that didn't make it into the film. Oh,
I'd like to thank you Herbert Hoover and YC which
Glee did You won't be an Orphane for long, Something
(20:06):
was Missing Annie, and a new Deal for Christmas.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And then there were five songs.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Created specifically for the movie, Dumb Dog, Sandy, Let's Go
to the Movies, Sign, and We Got Annie.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I don't have many problems with this movie or complaints.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, but here.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Is one of them. Yes, Yeah, because you spent a
lot of time on things like Dumb Dog and Sandy,
Let's Go to the Movie was really fun, and We
Got Annie was really fun. But like, yeah, that movie's
really long.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, and that you could have you could have trimmed
some of that, Yeah, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I mean Let's Go to the Movies was actually one
of the most important numbers.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And then I mean stunning, Like let's go to the movies.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Well, you have the one hundred and seventy five Rockets,
you have Radio City Music Hall, and then you have
The Turn where Daddy Warwocks falls in love.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
The yeah period, But I missed NYC. I definitely missed NYC.
I get it.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
There's also something you know, when movies take place in
LA and they're making movies about LA, it doesn't have
never has any magic to me. But when movies take
place in NYC. Oh, yeah, and you have an incredible
song like NYC. Right, New York is always such a
great character to a movie, and it's such a great
(21:40):
backdrop for this movie. It is you know, it's inherent
to the story. Like this movie obviously takes place in
New York and I.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Just need it to get it. Yeah, I get it.
I understand.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
So the director of this movie, right, like we said,
Houston directs it. Originally they wanted Mike Nichols to direct it, Wow,
which would have been crazy. The Columbia bought the rights
for this alone for nine point five million, Wow, the
most ever paid at that time. Yes, so they even
(22:15):
considered to direct at Herbross Randall Kleiser, who directed Degrees
Fossey frans Sport Coppola Absolutely nuts wow, And I was
like where did they film all this? Primarily at Mommouth
College now Monwau University in New Jersey. And the Warbocks Mansion,
(22:38):
which is what I was most curious about, was filmed
at Shadow Lane Shadow Lawn mansion furnished with elaborate props
and it teas valued at more than one hundred k.
So like, it's actually at a real place.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I mean, I got to be I couldn't. That place
is chick getting I know? Where is that? Is that
in Jersey? Yeah, it's in New Jersey. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And West Long Branch, New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Wow? Oh no, that's not with college sorry?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Oh yeah shadow Yeah, it's a historic building on the
campus with mana.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Oh that's that's part of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
That makes it's not a home, it's a hall.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
And then they ended up shooting some of it in
Burbank in California. They did they spent five months building
a massive replica of the New York City streets.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Is that nuts?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah? Thatsign passed away during filming. Oh and then it
was the back lot was renamed after him.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh I didn't know that. So okay. The Easy Street
was such a great number, and it was initially stages,
a large outdoor sequence that took a week to film
and cost over one million dollars. Well, the producers felt it.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Was overproduced, rightfully, so, but the number was reshot two
months later as a more intimate indoor scene that better
resembled the Broadway version.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You know, reshot, I respect that. I respect that too,
that's right.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
But then I remember there was a TV version of
this movie that christ and Chanowa did correct and she played.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
What's her name, Bernatte Peters character, and they did it
on the streets. I mean, they were fake streets. But
I loved it because it's called Easy Street, right. So
I understand being overproduced. I understand like the gritty of
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like the movie and the tone of the movie, but like, wow, wow, wow,
I would have loved to see that one, that cut scene.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
There is some controversy around some of the creative changes
from the stage production to the movie. So Carol Sobieski,
who wrote this screenplay, moved the timeline from Christmas to
the fourth of July hm hmm, and then something that
you mentioned already about miss Hannigan. It's her redemption arc
(25:27):
to save Annie from Rooster. Yeah, but watching it now,
I do sort of love it.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yes, I think it needed it.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, I don't look I don't have all these changes.
The film reintroduced two characters from the original Little Orphan
anti comic ship, poon Job and the ASP, who serve
as the bodyguards.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
That Job. I mean, he's so important, just.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
As many reasons why that was, you.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Know, I know, but poon Job was. But I love
going chap he got magic to the.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Film, and then the film's original lyricist, Martin Tarnan, was
outspoken about the movie, said that he was that distorted
with the musical, was criticizing Houston and Start for their
creative direction and said that Daddy Warbucks was an Englishman
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who screamed, and missus Hanigan was a man crazy drunk
and Annie was cued up. Now here's where I agree
with him. He talked about how the producers downplayed Tomorrow
because it was too corny. I do think they downplayed
Tomorrow too much, like there was no moment for Tomorrow,
(26:52):
Like I wanted a full Tomorrow number.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Am I wrong? I didn't bother me, I think because
it didn't feel like a performance, which I kind of liked,
like it was part of the scene.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
It was, but like I wanted it to come back
in a bigger way or something.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I understand, I get it. I don't think. I don't.
I don't know that I needed that from tomorrow. Tomorrow
is just Tomorrow, like it's always going to be the.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Song for Anny, right, And I don't know, I felt
like I felt satisfied.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I felt satisfied.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I was a little I was a little let down.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I understand.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I loved emotionally how it worked in the.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Movie, and the scene was so cute. The scene was
really great.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, like if we're gonna have Annie, And on the
poster it says the musical of quote unquote tomorrow you
have Roosevelt singing most of this.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I don't know, I'm a hater, that's okay.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I I think you are not in the minority here.
And people who felt like it was definitely a little
looked over for to be the song Tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
That being said, I love this movie.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I mean, this is just so good. It is so good.
It's giving me newsies vibes.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Fully. I was like we have to watch Newsies after this.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, fully Newsies vibes.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I mean a movie like I love a little period
piece and great depression, like nineteen thirty two.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
The Orphanage, Like all the numbers in the Orphanage, from
Annie to like from Maybe and with the Molly, it
like sets up perfectly who Annie is to all.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
These girls immediately.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
And.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Oh man, it's just there's something so real about it
in the subject.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Matter of these girls.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
And I don't know, but it's also like there's this
elevated concept of like going to be with Daddy Warbucks
and like a billionaire and the you know, and.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Just like bringing her in and it's just but there's
a there's a really fine balance that they found of
and the want for Annie and the want for these
girls is so strong that like you never have to wonder,
(29:36):
And I think that's part of it, is like I
know exactly what each character wants because it's so blatantly obvious.
But I want that in this film.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
When do you ever get, like any such a complex character. Yeah,
she's like she's a survivor. She's just like, yeah, ten
year old little girl, and there's nobody that she can't handle.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, and and grit and integrity like daddy billionaire Daddy
Warmocks is like let me take you in and adapty
and she's like I'm waiting for my parents, Like yes,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Like there's such a there's so much integrity and character
to Annie that you're like, Wow, no wonder we all
love her so much.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, no wonder we are rooting for her.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
And she clearly knows so deeply what she wants in
her heart and gets it right.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
And like the music moves it. These girls are so adorable.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Like the songs melodically are beautiful and catchy and fun
and easy to sing and you just want to like
sing them in the shower and in the car, and
I'm dying for Emma to do like you're never fully dressed.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Like there's just like such a joy to the reality
of this like world they're living. It's like positive and bright,
even though the circumstances they're all in.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
That's the thing. Like maybe it's such a hopeful song,
but it's so devastatingly devastating tomorrow I'm still devastatingly sad.
But these melodies are so powerful, yeah, and moving, and
(31:24):
they cast the right Annie.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Because nine thousand kids.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
She was able, like in some of those other kids,
speaking in like a technical level, right, like they're aware
there's a camera in the room. Yeah, I think Quinn
owned she was. She went up against she went up
against Albert Finney and was like completely fine. I was like,
(31:53):
let me just manipulate Daddy Warbucks real quick. Yeah, like
it's totally fine. And like hung with these legends, hung
with Carol Burnett and Ryan King, Yeah, no problem. Tim
Curry like no issues, no wow. And she's she was
nine or something when she got this movie, and she's
(32:14):
in almost one hundred percent of this movie. She's almost
in every single scene, and it's it's just a powerhouse performance.
I mean, she's singing, she's singing recorded materials. It sounds
like she's singing some live material like Tomorrow sounds live
for the first part of it. She's tapping with Albert
Finney at the end, like they're doing big set piece
(32:36):
numbers where they're moving around buildings.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
The music was also not overly produced, which I appreciated. Yeah, right,
I did too.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
There's also something about I think this is gonna be
a thing I mentioned every single time is the lighting
mm hm, it is lit wonderfully. We can see everybody,
not everything is backlit, and we are seeing dance photographed
really beautifully. We're getting scale, we're getting intimacy where you know, like.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
That's a thirty five million dollar film.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Right, but it also comes it's also like a.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Depth of knowledge. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's talent and like like you're able to
shoot like a huge number at the end, and you're
also able to shoot some of these more intimate numbers
and then like.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Just hard knock life, you're able to shoot going through
this entire orphanage we're seeing. We're seeing the setting at
the same time we're seeing all these characters and we're
also seeing like a beautifully well choreographed number.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, and there it was. I thought it was shot
really beautifully.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, the movement, the stillness, the close ups, like, I
thought it was shot really well, like and the numbers
were shot well. Yeah, it wasn't a I mean there
was a lot of dancing actually, and it was shot well.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Because I think good sometimes like you know, walking with
intention or just like blocking doesn't look like choreo, but
that's all choreograph.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
The camera was really moving with them like it was
really dancing with them. I thought, yes, especially in like
the the the more dancing numbers with ann Oh, that
was gorgeous, beautiful, gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
It's because it's not at that point too, You're like,
let's just see the movement, like, let me say it's
I think it's such a skill to know of, like
when to let the camera be out of the way.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. So we started in the
Orphanage and we're doing Maybe, and we're doing Hard Knock
Life and we're doing Mollie.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
That's crazy like banger after banger.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
And then starts off like this and mister Bundles comes.
Do you think that Hard Knock Life or Tomorrow is
more quintessential Annie? I think Hard Knock Life is well
based off of this movie Hard Knock Life, but in
your opinion as a child, it was Tomorrow. I do
(35:12):
think Hard Knock Life is more of.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
The I agree, No, I agree with you, and I
just the.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Way it's shot, in the way that they do it,
and the kids and the movements, it all just I
think it's perfectly shot. It's so good, it's perfect. And
then when they stick her in the Lamberer he has
the laundry, and Miss Hannigan comes in. You see Carol
Vernett for the first time, and you know that we
love you, Miss Hannigan. It's every piece of this is
(35:44):
like if you took snapshots of each of these scenes,
they are iconic. Branny, I feel like, yes, they're.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Part of the film, They're part of the musical. And
Sandy when she's like, is the dog gonna come to her?
And then in the broader musical when the dog runs,
everybody a plot.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Like yeah, oh man going along with Annie's storyline of
like she goes and you know she says they do.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
I think I'm gonna like it here where you set
up with Grace and like, gosh, I could I could
talk about this song all day long. It could be
done really terribly, and I've seen productions where it's done
really terribly. But like in this movie, I think the
musical is a little bit grittier and a little bit darker,
and it can be because it's stage. But this one
obviously is a big box office kind of like Blockbuster
(36:35):
production where you are seeing Daddy Warbucks as home and
you're seeing the contrast between the orphanage and Daddy Warbucks
and I like that. I mean, I'm gonna like it
here she leads that so beautifully and ranking, and like
it's all the staff. You fall in love with the staff,
and if you watch them fall in love with Annie,
and like, it just.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Softens their whole the whole presence of the house. And
it's just like it's very very important to me that number.
I don't know why, but especially watching it again, I
was like, right, I don't think that I appreciated as
much back in the day because like, of course it
was all about the orphans and like.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
You know, their songs, but like appreciating Grace in a
different way now I.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Felt the exact same way. I also thought it did
what Hard Knock Life did for us, where it introduced
us to the entire landscape of what we're dealing with here, right,
And also like what you said, to be able to
show how needed a personality like Annie was in that house, yep,
(37:41):
and how everyone knew Daddy Warbucks needed that. All that
comes through in one song, and like, I don't like
when a song is just there to exist. This song
has a purpose and shows you everything you need to
know about Daddy Warbuck. Daddy Warbucks and his house.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, yeah, and every and like.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Obviously that's a huge part of this movie and show.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I also love I feel like being able to show
how in the beginning of the movie how Annie is
sort of like house mother, like den mother to all
the girls and they come to her rescue.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
By the end of it so sweet, and then all
the worlds are colliding, which I appreciate, Like it's not
too all over the place.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
There's not too many characters.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Like even though like there are a lot of characters,
they're all uh intertwined, and they're all.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
In this like very compact world of like the orphans.
You have the Daddy Warbucks.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
World, you have the Miss Hannigan and Rooster and Lily
Saint James world, and like that's it.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, that's it. You also get a little Roosevelt, and
I love like having the little like jokes about eleanor Roosevelt.
I like, you know, you see.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I also like at the current times of like like
being able.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
To get Daddy Warbucks out of his comfort zone he
goes on the radio show. That whole bit is so
good Annie, seeing how it's being made is just really wonderful.
Like being able to see all this through a child's eyes.
And at the same time, there's really serious stuff going on, right,
Like you have adults trying to fully take advantage of
the situation, take advantage of Annie. Then you have adults
(39:22):
who are really wealthy and are using those powers, and like,
what are Daddy Warbucks businesses? And why does he have
this much access to the president? But he all of
a sudden has a heart of gold and is trying
to help this orphan who he really cares about. Yes,
And then you have Annie who goes from being hard
(39:43):
and being tough and manipulating everybody in any situation to
then like it's like the first true thing she says,
like amongst adults is like when Daddy Warbucks goes to
say he wants to adopt her. Yep, And like you said,
(40:04):
because the cast is it feels like it's a lot,
but really it's a simple sorry. And because it does
such a good job of making us want know their
wants and needs that when that moment does happen and
they all band together to like figure.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
It out, he's like, great, call everybody.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah, it's like everybody shows love in a very different way.
His his you know, call this person and call that
person and get the helicopter and get you.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Know, yeah yeah, and the girls are you know, chasing
and they sneak out and Grace is like just the
heart of it all and so they just all have
different Yeah, they all come at it from different ways.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
But justice, Grace, justice, for she is doing everything. She
is running that country. Yes, okay, let's talk about the
rescue scene for a second.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I fully forgotten this rescue scene existed totally.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I get why. I get it. I get it.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
We're in a big movie. We need a big climax,
we need a big ending. We need Rooster to go
after her. I don't know that it has to be
that big.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Like she is. I am worried she is going to fall.
It reminds me of the kindergarten cop when he climbs
all day to the time.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
But it was effective and I felt things and I
was I was nervous.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I was watching. I was like, forgot this happened. What happens?
Obviously we know what happens, but you know, see how
it all plays out, and it's just sweet.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
And I think we were seeing Annie also in a
light where she's not the tough one, she's in a
vulnerable position, very vulnerab well, like you know, and so
I think there was part of that. Also is like
finally seeing her in a place where she's like, I
need help. I'm not perfect, I'm not you know, like
this isn't all.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Gonna be okay.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
So one situation she can't get herself out out.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yes, yes, thank you, thank you. I don't hate it
and I'm not against it, and I get it, but
I don't remember what.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
They did in the.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
In the yeah, how does the stage show end?
Speaker 1 (42:30):
I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
I I mean I it feels like classic movie, like
we have to up the stakes, we have to give
a reason why Miss Hand again changes her tune and
like shows that she actually does care about these kids
when it comes to something actually serious. And I thought
they like threaded that needle pretty well, like they didn't
hit you over the head with it. Like all the
(42:54):
dialogue is happening within the action of Tim Curry running
after her, and she says, very quickly, here's what I
feel like, so many movies now are just dumbed down.
I don't think this movie's dumbed down at all.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Agreed, Right, that's right, it is.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
One line, it's like, oh my god, I think he
actually means it and then runs after him. Yes, yes,
like we're not spelling it all out for you. No,
we're capturing it in real time. I did think, Yeah,
that whole thing was a little crazy. We went to
murder and we're going to kill her. But to be fair,
(43:32):
it is in the middle of the depression. Fifty thousand
dollars and she just ripped it up. And you have
these people who clearly do not.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Care any about anything except for money, right, and so
I mean again, we are motivated. Yeah, we are motivated.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I'm not mad about it.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Do you also remember the other version of Annie that
came out when we were kids, the TV one with
Kathy Bates and Victor Carverer. No, so in nineteen eighty nine,
there was like a TV remakere Yes Downcoming Oh Christ Jennow.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yes, it was the one of Christ I'm sorry, Yes, yes,
I do remember this one very vividly.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Because that was also a big deal to me.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Roger McDonald's Yeah, Alicia Morton, Yeah, yeah. Alisha Morton was
also in Limiz on Broadway. I knew her, so, like, yeah,
this was circling the world of like it was. That
was an important one.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
That was like around the time they were doing like
Cinderella with Brandy If I'm impossible? Yeah, yeah, uh, should
we great some performances?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, there are so many numbers in this, I know,
let's go through some of the most you know, let's
go through some highlights tomorrow. I mean A A maybe
A plus. It's hard.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
I'm realizing it's hard for me to separate my love
for these songs.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
And then it was really beautiful hard enough life Yeah, uh,
Sandy B plus Yeah, I don't know. I think I'm
gonna like it here A plus Little Girls, she's so good. Hey,
let's go to the movies. Its okay, I think it's absurd.
(45:30):
It is.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
I'm like, I'll allow you one thing that doesn't need
to be in here.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, but he moved the plot.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
We had to go to the movies. We had to
go to the movies. So what I did, never fully
adress without a smile?
Speaker 1 (45:43):
A plus?
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yes, So I also love that, like the version of Glee. Yeah,
of never fully Dressed I thought was really wonderful, Like
like we did Little Girls and y C and a
mashup have never fully dressed out a smile.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yeah. Yeah, and like.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
The weird I never even realized that, like s JP
is doing that number.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, like how cool that is.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
And then you know, obviously, like we said when we
actually were recapping Glee, like Little Girls was done by
Sue and then Jane was doing.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Yeah Annie, I'm on Broadway.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Yeah. Uh, tomorrow the White House version Kevin look.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Still tomorrow it is, and I like it in the movie, Like, Okay,
I'm not saying I don't I'm not no, listen, I'm
not saying I don't like how it was used.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
I wish it was used again or more got it
A yeah, easy street.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
I'm going to give it an A and I'm going
to give them one million dollar reshoot in A plus
plus because I didn't see it, but I see it.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I must see it. Yeah, I'm sure it's out there somewhere. Uh.
And then I don't need anything about you A plus
A plus uh Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
And tomorrow, I mean it's kind of there, kind of
not kind of washed over again, let's see some tarty takes,
cringe moments.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Job. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
I also don't think they cast the right ethnicity person
for the rule.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah. I like the the yeah, just leap.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
You know, there's like child abuse things going on, right,
Miss Hannigan yeating them and then like a drunk and yeah,
and her brother is like actively trying to kill a child.
But like that's essential to the story, right right, right, right,
Like it's supposed to be bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
We're not. Well hopefully we're not sensationalized. They're not.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Yeah, okay, uh, best dance move I mean and Ryan
King everything, honorable mention to the tap dancing.
Speaker 5 (48:19):
Oh yeah, fully, what's your favorite song? Hard Knock Life? Yes,
it's a banger.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
That's right, you know it. It is so good.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
Hard Knock Life is one of those songs that like,
will ever forever be just a part of my life.
Yeah it is songs, yeah, no, all of them, but
hard Knock especially performance by a.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Prop Buckets and mops.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
I'm going with the locket. Oh you know I was
Annie for Halloween one year. Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (49:00):
And Meghan was and Meghan Doyle was Miss Hannigan.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
That's no, I don't remember that.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
I will send a photo for you guys to us.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Maybe maybe I did have a big red wig and
I did have a locket and I did have a
red dress and I did.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Put maybe I should be any one year. You should definitely,
and Austin should be. Miss Hannagan. That's actually the great.
Why didn't you do that last this past I guess
you weren't just it. I didn't do anything but uh
best line.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Oh man, if this floor doesn't shine like the top
of the Chrysler Belding.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah, classic, right. I did like.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Lily Saint Regis name from the hotel.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Hmmmm mmmmmmmmm.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
I also like Daddy Warwick's talking to Annie and saying,
can we have a man demand conversation?
Speaker 3 (49:55):
Their whole like stick of like the two of them
back and forth was always very so.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Cute, the whole scene where she gets in the pool
and it's just like reading him to filth.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
I love it. I found it. Show me this photo.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Oh my god, I need Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah, twenty fourteen. It's stunning. Okay, sorry, performances, are you
kidding me? Everybody? Honestly, everybody but everybody.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Yes, you can't. There is no movie without Annie.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yeah, and she is just winning.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Unbelievable, truly unbelievable. I was really looking forward to that
and it did not disappoint it did not. No, I
hope you all enjoyed if you watched it with us,
and if you didn't, go watch it. It's so good,
so good, Jenna. Shit, we found on TikTok there's a
(51:06):
glee cabaret at Marymount.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
I am not okay. That is my old hall. I
performed in that room. Yep.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
And this is a four minute and twenty two second
video of people doing.
Speaker 5 (51:22):
The hall.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Oh my god, I am having stomach aches. Wow, isn't
it crazy? This is weird. I just have like my
I just said, okay, I'm very out of body. That
is wild.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
I mean, oh, Like they shot videos for it. There's
videos on the screen.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
She did non joy run. Yes.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Wow, they acted out scenes.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
This is crazy.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
The hallway fight scene they acted out. There's everything. This
is unbelievable. Wow.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Wow go Mary Amount.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Dang Wow, they have outfits and everything.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
Shout out to Marymount. Y'all. Remembernhean college id like me
at the end walk through those halls is freaking out. Yeah,
it's like a lot I did I remember I was
saying one day more in that Oh my god? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (52:31):
What is what is that hall?
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Is it? It's used for performances everything. They do it
for performances and orientations and meetings. And I'm trying to
remember if it was in the New Gen or if
that was in the main hall, but it was used
for a lot and then obviously we used it for
performances because there's a piano in every room.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
See Manny is the one who posted that. And wow,
really incredible.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
M O.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Right, Jenna, tell us what's coming up next week?
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Oh my god, you're excited for next week? Is drum
roll please? Wicked? I have I have so many stories.
This is very exciting. We have Wicked.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
So buckle up because Wicked too, Part two for Good
is coming out.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
So we're just gearing up for gearing.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
Up doing a little review. It will be my fourth
time seeing it.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
Okay, I will tell you when I had Graham, he
was only like a week old when it came out
and I was like, I.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Gotta see Wicked. So did I take my new one
to see Wicked in the movie theater with headphones on? Yes?
Speaker 2 (53:50):
Absolutely, the things you do.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Very excited to revisit this a year later. Thanks for
joining us, everybody. We hope you joined Annie. Watch Wicked
come back next week and that's.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
What you really missed. Thanks for listening, and follow us
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