November 12, 2025 • 55 mins
Kysre Gondrezick joins Angela Yee, Jordyn, and Jasmine Brand on Lip Service to talk about making history as the first active WNBA player to pose for Playboy. She opens up about embracing womanhood, setting boundaries in her shoot, and reclaiming confidence after loss. Kai reflects on love, healing, and what she’s learned from public relationships, plus why she’s now dating with intention. The group dives into balancing femininity and athleticism, redefining beauty, and navigating modern dating with self-awareness and purpose.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What app it's lip service. I mean, like, ye, I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Jordie jor I'm Jazzmine Brand.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
The keen ones Kaiser Kaiser a ka Kai for the
rest of this episode. That's why do you prefer Kai
over Kaiser over Kaiser Ganjas You pronounced.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
It right, Okay, it's just easier. I mean everyone is
just yeah, So we did.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
We did hear some of four different appreciations of it
throughout the let's looking to see make sure we said it.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I didn't realize that Ray was her, that it was
Kaiser Ray. I thought that. But it's a beautiful name.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Though.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
What I will say is very googleable. You don't have
to worry about somebody else, like a different Kaiser.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I will say, I've googled myself like a couple of times.
I just typing like k y us and then like
the that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So yeah, there's a lot of Angela Yees out there, Yes,
but you probably first do I. Okay, I'm gonna be honestly.
I think there's like some boxer or something named Angela Yee,
and then there was too, and then there was a
doctor Angela Yee because I think he's like a super
popular Chinese name.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, yeah, I was just thinking about it.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I can feel what is just a dude who's in jail?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Okay, well that's not you.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
First is I'm a comedian, Like, there you go, so
I go first.
Speaker 6 (01:19):
There's a rapper named Jordany Manuel.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Oh really really is he good?
Speaker 6 (01:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I haven't listened, but sometimes i'll get his Google alerts. Well,
this is the only Kaiser gon Jasic right here, so
right only, and.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
We love that for you.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
But what we also love and you're on this count
with with our girl Jordie Jour, is that you are currently.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
In Playboy magazine as a playmate.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah. The first, the first w.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
N B A and now you're playing for AU right,
but the first active professional women's basketball player and Playboy.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So is everyone.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
They When they asked me to do it, I was
a little iffy, right like at first, like is this
the lane in the direction I want to go in?
But you know the famous words of Kim Kardashian, it's iconic,
and I love to do iconic shipkay. I had to.
Honestly though, I had to to do my research to
(02:18):
see who all had shot before, you know, also to
like what other public figures. And once when I saw
like the names and like Mariah Carey and those people,
I'm just like, okay, I looked all the way back
and you'd be surprised, Like Sidney Crawford. Yeah, I saw
(02:39):
some of like the lineup. I'm like, okay, maybe it
isn't as.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Bad she did it.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
And I looked up. I looked up like athletes that shot.
I think there was like one Olympian, but like no
African American athletes, like professional, definitely not a basketball player.
So I'm like, when it's all said and done, my
name will be the first.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And yeah, and this was announced a while ago, but
now the magazine is finally out.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
How do you feel.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I haven't seen it yet, so maybe like it's different.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
Images though, right, uh yeah, okay, look amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I am the the images that the two that they
did release to show that I was, you know, introductions
of Playmate are not the ones that are in the magazine. Okay, baby, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
A did you get final say on like what type
of like what they what they used, what they didn't
use type thing.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, So it's editorial, the way editorial works you show up,
you do your job.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
They get they did a job.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
But because you know, it is a kind of monumental
and historical moment, they did allow for me to have
a little bit of a say so, which I'm happy
about and humbling, you know, to be able to have
a say. But I've had to become comfortable with whatever
is out there.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Did you go full nude? Full frontal? Because we couldn't
tell them the pics, I.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Guess you have to see.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Joined play Boy.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
It was good.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It was good, you know, Like you said, it's one
of those experiences where you have to really consider and
think about it. And I did it when it was
coming back from not being nude to then going back nude.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
So I had to be like.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
So did you do what?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Did I never saw?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
So did you join? That's really good? Yeah, everyone's but
did you do everything?
Speaker 6 (04:41):
Except no crotch?
Speaker 1 (04:43):
That was my rule.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I don't want any crotch boobs. It's fine, but.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
What is it about crotch that bad? As you?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I just wanted something to be sacred just to me,
and I feel like that's my whole birth canal.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
You don't need to see that when.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
You sit whole that we're going to say.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Second, I didn't. I didn't show either. Yeah did it
ever show? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Full bush and everything.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I was happy, Like one thing like about mine the
photographer that shot me the same as stuff like that's.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
What shot mine?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I was gonna say, you weren't you know? You were
actually the now no wonder why you look familiar? You
were the what is it called the where they do
a highlight of, like the mandra of, Like this is
how we want this set up to be.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, so he was like they did the aesthetic. They're like,
you have a very like nineties aesthetic, and so all
of my images are very like yellow old image type
versus Yeah, so they they look like the old, like
nineteen eighty seventyboy.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah, I definitely gave a vintage.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Were you afraid to act to tell anyone in your
family when you decided to do this?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So I did ask my mom for permission. It's the
only person I asked for permission. She said, your good?
Speaker 7 (06:16):
What your mom say?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
She said, girl, if you don't turn around and shoot
that thing?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
What was your dms looking like?
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Always watch?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
They were always wild?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
No, I believe people think so, but like no, people
don't try me.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
No, No, just because I know men.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Will I will say what I what I have heard
is that I have a very intimidating aura. Okay, and
like because I'm around like a lot of you know,
my male counterparts because I play ball, I hear the
discussions there like people you know, to.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Sports more so that might be I didn't think about that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I will say though, that the high profile relationships that
you've had, they've always looked at it like you were
such a catch for them to even be able to
talk to you, which I think is a compliment because
it kind of felt like, Okay, he stepped it up,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
That was the view that we had, you know, when
we saw that.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I always like to increase. Yeah, but also to for myself.
You know, I take a lot of pride in not
being where I once was, Like you know, even if
you leave me, you're never going to leave me in
the place where I once was.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And I don't improved your life you know so much too, Like, yes,
are you single? Now?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Are you dating? Which I'm very single?
Speaker 6 (07:53):
Do you want to be if you want to be
dating or being a relationship?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I mean who doesn't want to date. But at the
same time, I mean, I'm truly in my womanhood like
I just turned you know, twenty eight a few months ago,
and but also had a lot of access at a
young age. And you know, what I attract too is
different from probably the regular you know female. So I
know what I want now and I'm dating with intentionality
(08:19):
and like intention to Mary or like I I've been
in the two relationships. Obviously both of those were public,
but they were literally just that a relationship.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Do you regret having them public or do you think
it doesn't matter?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I mean, when you look back at your life, you
learn to accept what your journey has been. Where would
I have done some things differently, Absolutely, But at the
same time, like I own and accept everything that does
come with me, and those relationships have helped me now
kind of channel the perspective that I want. And that's
(08:56):
why I said they were just thatt relationships, because now
I want a partnership and there's a difference.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You know, period, What do you think you learned if
you have to say, here's some lessons I learned because
you were a lot, you know, like you said, twenty
eight is still very young. Yeah, but you were even
younger then.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, I've I've learned about me more than anything than
about men, I would say, knowing who Kaiser is and
who she can be. And that's okay. I think for
me the lost art and I own that as well.
But I think in the relationships that I have had,
the lost art is the fact that I am an athlete.
(09:35):
I am a professional. You know, I've been accustomed to
one lifestyle, one work ethic, oneedrive, sacrifices the same of
the you know, the people that I have dated, and
because you know, I'm a beautiful woman that gets lost
and gets belittled behind my esthetic and they forget the
fact that I am cut from the same cloth that
(09:56):
that you are. You know, so I have the tenacious,
you know mindset that you have. I want my own dreams,
you know, no matter what I may look like or
how beautiful someone may classify you mean to be. That
wasn't the dream growing up, you know, as a little girl,
I'm like, I don't want to marry a you know,
a rich guy or anything like that. The dream was
(10:17):
I want to be a professional basketball player. I have
my own dreams, and that's why no matter what life
has thrown at me, I continue to attack to get
back to my purpose.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
And so yeah, you know, you do come from a
family of athletes, I mean top notch.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
What type of pressure is that for you? Was that
for you?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Because I have to imagine that growing up in that household,
but also being talented the way that you were, and
also working on your skill and knowing what you wanted
from a young age, you put a lot of pressure
on yourself.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It was fun for me. I'm a leo okay something
pretty much you know, astrology, but yeah I'm a middle child.
But I feel like everybody played that. Everyone, Yeah, this
is like, this is what you're doing. I wanted to
be a gymnast. I was too tall, they told me.
And I was too old when I was crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, Jordian Jown talked about that.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
When I interviewed her, I was like, dah you She's like, yeah,
we're considered old now at that young age.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
So I mean this is luckily for me, Like I
fell in love with it since the moment I touched
you know, a basketball and my dad he was a
professional athlete, my uncle, my mom, she won a national championship.
Coach yeah, you know, she played underneath you know, Kim
Mulky who recruited me out of high school and so
(11:38):
just coming from like that basketball. Yeah, so I took
it on as a challenge, like I'm going to carry
the name, but I want to create my own and
I think I'm doing okay.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I wasn't being a professional ball player, but then also
New York Fashion Week and then also you know, just
modeling and doing other things because I know that sometimes
like as we're looking at the w NBA and then
now you're still playing professionally, but how it's grown and
evolved so much like over these past few.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Years, it has. It's it's good to know that the
reality of the vision that I had is now you know,
comeing to fruition and if anything takes off the norms
of how female athletes should be. You know, for me,
I always thought that I was only ever going to
be a basketball player, right, Like, there wasn't really a
(12:32):
blueprint of breaking barriers outside of the sports. I think
growing up you had a few you had like Chryl
Swoons and Tina Thompson and I used to go to
the comments games all the time. You know, I'm from Houston,
you know. But then there was like a drop right,
and there was like a rebrand and now where women's
basketball is you, I mean, the sky is truly the limit.
(12:54):
But I would say for me personally, with my journey
being recognized with my tunnel walks, was what kind of like, Okay,
let me, let me do what everyone else says I
should do. And then once when I started doing that,
then they're like, oh, she don't She's not serious about
the other stuff, you know. But I think I think
that's the beauty like of mastering a craft, right, Like
(13:16):
you get to see the depths and the other gifts
that it's able to give you based off of what
you've done your entire life. And so I'm owning every
facetve of me.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Now that's awesome because you see male basketball players do
it all the time. You see them pivot all the
time from the basketball players doing this and might modeling this.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
It's not as often as you see women doing the
same things.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And gets more criticism.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Like I know you and Angel Reesa good friends, and
it's so interesting to me to see.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
How people like come out over everything. She's done a
great job.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
It's crazy that they do that because men always do that, right,
Like they always given into night and different things, right.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I mean you have to understand it's a different era, right,
and so now like women are being provided the same
resources and the opportunities that men have too, And so
there's a lot of you know, sas sassiness that are
coming from the counterpart, you know, but you know, women,
women are powerful, like and I think that confident women
(14:16):
are more intimidating than you know, a man that is
successful because of his craft. There's a depth that comes
with us, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And so and I know that there was a period
of time that you had to kind of step away.
And so what was going on for at that time?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, well after my rookie my rookie year. Yeah, well
I had lost my father right before I got drafted,
and I kept going and then I was just that
was right before like ni Yl, like I was signed
as the face of Adidas. I was just breaking all
these things, and I was just questioning, like God, who
I didn't know at the time yet, like why me? Right?
(14:57):
And so seeing myself on like billboards and seeing myself
at home in the mirror, it was just two completely
different people. And I became to like to start mastering
what the world wanted instead of who I was getting there,
So I had to take some time to not just
grieve the loss of my father, but also to grieve
the loss of myself and to kind of get back
(15:18):
on track and show back up on the scene the
way I did with my tunnel fits. And then they're
calling me what's her name? From Scandal? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (15:28):
You were giving looks you still do.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I love you and Colins that you put together. Yeah,
Like Colin's one of my favorite stylists ever.
Speaker 8 (15:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I don't work with nobody else period.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
Yes, iconic.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
How did somebody prepare for the journey that, like you said,
to even see yourself on billboards and just you know,
like if you had to tell somebody now, being that
you've gone through it, how do you even prepare yourself
for that?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I don't. I don't think you can. I think that
you just you try to just stay your authentic self
as much as you can be and stay true to that.
You know, you learn to adapt once when you start
to increase, because you're always learning about yourself. I'm still
learning about myself, you know, Like I never thought that
I would turn around and shoot for playboys, like what
am I doing?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
But taken empowered though I do that is I would
imagine that's quite empowering to me.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I Yeah, I am, because I it's no secret I've
endured a lot of trauma, you know, publicly, and there's
scars that I have physically and you know, emotionally and
mentally that people just don't know about. And so I
think the whole rebrand for me at the time when
I did like come back on this scene was my
fashion aesthetic. That's why I was very conservative. It wasn't
(16:44):
a part of me transitioning to womanhood, but also a
part of me that was still a little bit insecure
about my healing my body and then being seen in
a different light like it. It's been hard for me
except like being a beautiful woman. I'm not gonna lie.
I'm not gonna lie. Really why everyone has their different
(17:07):
definition of beauty, right, and so you can be sexualized,
you can be beautiful because of this, you know, you
can cover it up. You know you're not beautiful because
of who you've been associated with, what you've been through.
And beauty is what I've learned is scars healing and
(17:29):
so for me when I shot Playboy, it gave me
permission to just do that, like I have behind the
same footage. The first five minutes, I'm rolling right like
because I've been modeling now for a year. But the
moment they asked me to drop that top and move
that arm, I'm like, no.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Reaction.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I looked at my team and they were just so
like enamored, you know, with the shots because they're being
uploaded on the big screen, but I can't see it,
and I just look for their approval, like tell me
to stop, and they're just smiling, and I drop everything.
I do a hurdle over this set and I run
to the dressing room and I looked at God, I said,
what am I doing? Yeah, but you.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Know it's I think that and like I said, I
think it's empowering. But I also feel like later in life,
like you'll look back at this and be like, I'm
glad I did it. Yeah, But even when I think
about just like like Jordan, you look back at that
and you're very happy, like you.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
But I hear you though, because I did a show.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I did a reality show, and I felt like summer
house Mark, this is a summer house Martha's Vineyard, And
there was a point where I got into an argument
with a guy who had been pursuing me, and I
was like, I need you to stop sexualizing me. And
I think it's difficult, especially with dating after you've done Playboy,
for them not to differentiate having vulnerability in your body
(18:57):
and being comfortable with your skin and being in powered
by that and not being sexualized with it. And I'm
sure you've been challenged by being taken seriously or not
even just before.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, I mean everyone was. They've been stretching the narrative
since I've started modeling, like she needs to do only fans,
of course, So I'm like, you can make you can
make a nice coin, like if she started only fans,
we would pay her. But I'm just like, there's a
difference between stars just play basketball. Definitely, I definitely thought
(19:35):
about it. I'm like, let me upload a picture and
you open it up. It's me working out. But I
was like, what's the point. And then at the same time, too,
like I value my name too much to associate it
with some some things, and so I was like, I
won't give you guys only fans, but I'll give you
playboy right.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
With only fans, because I do know, like I had
Sash and Victory on and she has the only fans.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
She's a professional tenant player. She's not naked on there.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
She has like sexy pictures, but because I think and
other tennis players have done it, but white ones, and
they have given her a harder time than anyone else.
She's also very voluptuous, like she might have on like,
you know, a bathing suit, but they acted like it
was like the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
And I'm like, girl'll get your money.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
She's making a serious coin too.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I'm like, yeah, I mean, but she's like I said again,
and like we're in a different era. Like how we
got here, I don't know. But one thing I have
learned is that our young men and even older men
now like they feel like the only way they can
complement a woman is by degrading her value. I don't
know where that was taught. I don't know how that's
(20:43):
been manipulated to where we are today. But the fact
that you have to do that lets me know that
you are fond of me. There's a lot of you,
there's a lot, but you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
A lot of fewer amazing people than Yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
What I mean, But it's it's never it's never enough.
It's never enough. A woman's confidence only highlights everyone else's
in security.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
And like you said earlier, and I know you tested
on this, but you have been through a lot, like
very publicly, that hasn't been easy relationship wise.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
So what has that healing process been like for you?
Speaker 9 (21:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Beautiful, ugly every emotion, but worth it honestly. Like I said,
I was, I was a little hardhead. I didn't know
God at the time, and so I feel like he
had to put me through a situation where he got
like my undivided attention to re get back to my
(21:47):
roots and to remember who it is that I need
to place my eyes on from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I said, your family was ready to roll out too, like,
don't put your hands. But I want to say this,
it's also an easy to cast somebody out for something,
and not that you even probably wanted it to be public,
because something like that ends up.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Being public, whether or not you wanted to.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
But sometimes we feel bad about somebody doing something to us,
even though it's not I was just saying this, Really,
it's not my fault. That this happened and you deserve
you know, whatever it is you deserve for doing something
physically to me, But somehow you become like the bad person.
Speaker 9 (22:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Well, I mean one thing I will say is, and
I'm still learning. I've taken pride in becoming someone's like
safe haven because I know who I serve is gonna
bless and give his favor on me regardless, Right, So
I don't need to defame someone else's character in order
to make myself look better. I know who I am,
(22:51):
you know, and at the end of the day, even
though I am a public figure and I have been
in public relationships. You guys know who I date, but
y'all don't know my business. And there's a beauty in
that mystery. You know, a lot of people open themselves
up too much where they make people a part of
their relationship and it only takes two to tango, but
everybody's dancing with you, and you mad because you gave
(23:13):
the invite. I don't do that. So, yeah, have I
been in situations where I'm like, why did that have
to be seen? But at the same time, I'm like, Okay, God,
you're using me because you're making my trauma become a testimony,
and that's why I needed to happen. And also at
the same time like the fact that he was able
(23:33):
to carve out and multiply the things that I wanted
and the desires of my heart on top of that.
That's why I'm grateful in a sense. I know everyone
would probably look at me like, and I love my women, right, Like,
I never want to portray the wrong message. But at
the same time, I do respect any decision we as women,
we feel like we need to make to protect ourselves.
(23:56):
And like I said, you know earlier, I've worked too
hard on my craft to become someone to let it
be robbed in a moment, and so I had to,
you know, always think about my future, the next move,
and and that's what I'm going to continue to do.
But it's it's a it's a learning lesson. Yeah, you
pay attention to the red flags before you get there.
(24:16):
And even my own, right, what are your red flags?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
If you had to say, we had to we were
critiquing ourselves, Yeah, what would.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
You say are archives red flags?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I would I would say for me in terms if
we're talking about relationships, I would, Uh, I'll take ownership.
I sometimes I get a little selfish, not for the
wrong reasons, it's interpreted the wrong way. I see you,
and I see your success, and I see the heights
that you are in your career. There's that test sat
(24:51):
surround that comes out of me. It's like, okay, I
need mine to so. But it's a healthy competition and
that I've heard that like I feel like I'm competing
against my woman. I'm like, no, you're looking at it
the wrong way. You're inspiring me to go harder because
I'm not gonna be someone that's gonna just sit on
the couch and wait until you provide me a surface
level lifestyle. The cost of me waking up every day
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and not living in my purpose is way more expensive
than that. So I would say that's been a red
flag for me. But it's also not a downfall either.
It's it's made me learn to operate more in my
femininity and you know, and to not portray this dominant
masculine energy. I can still be soft and still be graceful,
(25:35):
but still set my boundaries with Hey, I appreciate you.
But again, like I said, that's why I want that partnership.
I think a lot of men in society today, especially
like I can only say athletes, right, and I've said
it in my relationship. I'm like, you want to pett
(25:57):
Yeah you don't. It's uncomfortable for you to be challenged
because you don't have a lot of people around you
that challenge you because you've amounted yes.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
You're even dating, I'm sure like a lot of times guys,
you know, they'll date women who are more like available cateren.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
And that's also a ref like mine as well, like
I'm not as available. I'm available for you emotionally, spiritually
and all those things, but no, I will not be
at every outing, every setting of yours. I mean, and
I can be, you know, I own that. I'm like,
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you want me to come to your your games, I
want you to come to my games. I want to
have something to offer, right, you know. And so I
guess that is the Leo side of me, that is competitive.
That's the side that people don't see because they only
see the arm candy side of it. But behind closed doors,
you get to see the depths of people's insecurities and
the images they put up and the things that from
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the outside looking in you won't you wouldn't know because
they've amounted to a certain amount of success that somewhere
they've you know, misconstruted and to start categorizing their personal
lives based off of what they what they do, and
it's completely different. Who I am performing my craft is
completely different from who I am in my personal life,
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and sometimes that gets overshadowed because that identity becomes one
I don't know if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I was talking with this couple yesterday about just like
how their family dynamic played into their relationships later in life. Yeah,
and thinking about like how you were raised and how
your relationship with like your parents, your brother, your sister,
all of that plays into who you are in a relationship.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, how would you say, like your household.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Contributes to who you are on a personal level with
a significant other.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I mean, well, me coming from a dominant basketball lineage.
My mother she won a national champion and ship. You know,
my dad was a professional athlete, so there was a
happy medium, you know. But I've also watched my mom
raise us and make sure we went to school and
we got our degrees, and you know, none of us
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had to pay for college, and my dad took care
of the basketball aspect, and I didn't think that how
important it was the young woman, it was being the athlete,
until I've gotten older and I'm like, wow, my mom,
she put in some serious work, you know, behind closed doors,
you know, because you only look at the surface. And
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so I've had the best of both worlds. I feel like,
in a sense, my dad he's, you know, Caucasian Polish,
but my mom's side, you know, dominant black woman, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
And so how did they get together?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
She it's funny she's saying the national anthem at his
game because she came walking out in a catsuit and
she said he was She was like, every shot that
he shot that game, he was looking at her. She
said that was the swaggiest confident white man. And she
(29:12):
was like, and that was her first white guy she
ever dated. And less it stops here. I don't have
a preference, but I want some nice, little mixed, colorful
baby never gated away guys, I haven't, but I'm gonna
be honest with you. I'm open to anything at this point,
(29:35):
you know, because I realized I'm not physically as attracted
to men anymore. Like I want my mind to be simulated,
and that doesn't come with race.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
Okay, yeah, so what kind of man do you have
in mind?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Would you need to be a woman too?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Oh yeah, could be a woman.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
No, I think women are beautiful, now me too, cruise together. Yeah,
I mean I think women are very beautiful, but one
one obviously underneath the direction of God. This is most
(30:15):
important for me. But I do believe that men are
supposed to be leaders. But at the same time, I
have to trust to be led properly.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Right, Yeah, that's hard.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, and don't leave me off, no cliff there. Even
you know, even though I've been around successful men, I
haven't been led properly. I've been led in some wrong directions.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Are you on like the apps and stuff? Or you
just like that?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Not that.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
It would be nice to organically meet someone like I,
But where do you do that? It's funny that I
say that because the moment, like if I go sit
at a bar and someone like tries, I'm like young,
but I'm like but it goes to show like that's
we've lost that we don't know how to like socialize
(31:05):
anymore because we're so used to like being like my
picture or he's sent a DM like we don't know
how to interact organically.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And every look at a km's phone, somebody's popping up
on the app.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Have a lot of apps.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, so you have your notifications.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Somebody radio. I couldn't be organic people. But I'm out
and about in the spaces.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Remember he's not going to parties and he has how
many shows all the time?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
These people, yes, but straight people in the audience.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
Okay, gay people do.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
But I don't like hooking up with fans.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I feel about that.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
What if somebody comes to like a game and they're like,
you know, that's how I look, that's how your parents
mett But they were both working though. But I want
to say, like, when you think about fans and people
like knowing who you are already is.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
That No, it doesn't. It doesn't bother me. It doesn't,
you know, as long as that is not the intentionality
behind trying to interact with me, you know, I'm not
I would I would sit here and fabricated if I
were to say that if I were to ever, you know,
date another public figure, I would have no idea who
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they are. But that doesn't matter to me. I don't
place the importance off on that. So as long as
someone will look at me the same way, I'm open
to it. I just I just want a good man,
like what would be somebody I feel like, if I
have to tell you, then you don't need to you
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don't need to come over here.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
You know, what's the time that somebody has impressed you?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I can't think of too many times. No, it's do
people approach you a lot?
Speaker 4 (32:57):
I feel like, because like you said earlier about you
kind of being into.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
No they I mean I take I take responsibility in
that too, because I've I've learned the difference between less
and love. So if like off rip I, because I've
been able to identify it, I shut it down. I
know there's you know a lot of men that are
maybe fond of me, but they just want to be
able to have the experience to say I've had access
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to her, and so I shut that down, you know,
through body language, through you know their verbiage. You know
I've learned, and so to sit here and say what
has impressed me, it's it's kind of weird to answer
that in the space that I am now, because what
used to impress me is like the bare minimum.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Now they got it.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah, I can think about like small things.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
You know, sometimes it's a little well that is, that
is one of the things I will say, like someone
who pays attention and finds joy and paying attention to
the details of me. Right, So like prime example, if
I'm just and this is very small, if I'm just
sitting at dinner and you send over a drink, don't
send over a drink or send over a shot. If
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you see me drinking a martini, send me in the martini.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
That I don't send it just to you either, whoever
you're with, the whole table gets around, Please and thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Bill was taken care of already.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
That's so attractive.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
It is, it is, you know. But nowadays that's too
much to ask for.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I feel like a lot of people lack social skills
now too, just because because everybody's meeting each other and
dating in different ways and not necessarily like you said
in person.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Well, I mean, one thing I will say that I'm
learning and to not take it so personal is like
if a guy approaches me in a certain way, that's
all he knows because he's doing it to other women
and so for some somehow, for him it's been accepted.
And now because it's not working on me. Oh she
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suck up.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
People still cack off. It has to work somebody something to.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
Some man that will make adjustments. If you'd be like, no,
I'm not really with that. You got to do exizing,
but oh okay, Like yeah, no, I.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Don't want to train someone. I just want to just
be ready.
Speaker 7 (35:26):
I feel you.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
But everybody's different for everyone, right, because like you do
have to learn someone and learn like when one person
loves you may.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Not Yeah, like how I say I want a partnership,
I'm not naive to know that doesn't happen. Off rip,
that's something that's built, you know. But I'm not going
to continue to repeat myself about the details. You have
to be receptive, just like you want, you know, your
your woman to be receptive. You don't want to come
home and keep reminder, make up the bed, do the dishes,
(35:54):
do this, like like I don't want to remind you
take out the damn trash. There's nuts in the house.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
You know, somebody.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I take out my own trust, you know?
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Would you date someone to just this public? Would you
date someone that's like I don't want to say making
less than you, but like not not not like like
living on the streets, but just like a regular like
nine to five shift lead.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Type in trouble?
Speaker 5 (36:26):
What exactly like Africa? I don't know, I thought.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Sorry everybody, I want to ask you this because we
know about two public relationships, But what don't we know
about as far as like people you've dated? Because those
are what we know because we've seen that that's the
only two relationships you've been.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
In if you want to count my high school sweetheart,
But like anything before COVID doesn't count.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Wow, do you think that?
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Like?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Would you date another NBA player another?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I wasn't supposed to date another one after the first one,
but it just happened.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
But why would you say no to that?
Speaker 9 (37:08):
Like?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Why would you say that? Because it's the same type
of feels?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I just I want something different. I just want something different.
If I want to expand my range and expreid my
you know, emotional intelligence and my wisdom, I have to
embark upon and experience something different.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Well, how did he approach you that made you give
it a chance? Then, since that wasn't what you were
looking for?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Timing God's timing.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
I guys, you know I got caught.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
You think you've been in love, not a healthy form
of it. Okay, yeah, not in a healthy way. But yeah,
I mean no, not yet.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Honestly, No, she's Jalo is older.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
She said she ain't never been right.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I will say, I will say that someone has made
my heart soft after the relationship was over, because the
fact that I didn't hold resentment in my heart and
I still wanted you to still have a you know,
a great lifestyle, even if that is without me, and
I didn't want to take be the one to take
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away your dreams and your gifts. I think that that's
probably the thing that I'm most proud of next when
I give my heart to someone, because we live in
a society where there's so many people whose hearts are
so hard, and we have all these rules about how
we should socialize. If someone doesn't text you first on
text background, if I want to talk to you, I'm
going to reach out. I'm going to give you a call.
(38:50):
You don't respond, It's okay. I'm not going to take
a person you're probably you're you know, you're probably busy.
I'm not going to start driving myself and saying with
the narrative in my head just because social media says,
this is what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
You do sometimes, Yeah, call you, you don't call me
back for I feel like if I'm somebody's like because
we had a conversation about this, but if somebody is
like really into me.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I think it shouldn't be more than a day of you.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Not absolutely, I mean I think I think that's the
beauty though, Like you were allowed to make up your
own rules. I think the problem is that we're so
many people are following everyone else's rules and you're not
dating them, you know, And so when you're first interacting
with someone, you can't place roles and responsibilities off someone
off rip. That's how you set yourself up for disappointment.
(39:41):
You know. You gotta allow things to just take its course.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
I've always loved this saying you can never do the
wrong thing for the right person.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
So if you're aligned with something and it works for you,
then it might not work for anybody else.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, I mean personally, I don't want to talk to
someone all day every day. I got stuff I'm doing,
you know, two minutes just hearing your voice, Okay, Like
I don't want to be your first priority or your
second wow or your third. God should be one. What
you're choosing and chasing. Your dream should be second, your
(40:17):
family third, and then if you put me in the picture,
absolutely because.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Money.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, you got to check in. You gotta make sure
I'm good, like you know. But yeah, but you check it.
You check it with God on a daily basis.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
You check it.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
You check in with your job, you check in with
your family, and then you check in with you know.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
I just think that especially for you, you understand that
because of your career and how that is to you.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Everybody's not like that.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, you know, you make up your own rules.
Speaker 9 (40:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I've had an experience where you know, someone is crashed
out because they're like you're chasing your dreams and their insecurities.
They're like, you're forgotten about me. No, I'm just trying
to build an empire for us. You know. It's not
one sided here, and so those type of things I
used to go over my head. I check in now
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with myself, like, okay, let me take a step back,
let me acknowledge that I see you, check in with you,
and then go about my business. But I think too,
like that's why I said in my womanhood, because of
my trauma, I've become very emotional, you know, intelligent being
(41:38):
in a partnership, I would say, or even just a
very healthy relationship comes with the level of emotional discipline,
emotional wisdom. There's not a lot of people that have that.
You realize how just immature some people's minds are, and
that's okay. You just have to find your fit and
so to each just the own. Don't listen to me.
(41:59):
I don't know talking about crazy sign. I'm a sage.
You're a fire sign. That's understandable.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
We're Cameracorn's over here.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, okay, scorpio. Well, I mean the fixed signs. We're
fixed signs.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Very stubborn independent?
Speaker 6 (42:27):
Yeah, facts were cardinal.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah, listen.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
So this new season, Athletes Unlimited, tell us about that,
because that's in February, the new season starts, So talk
to us about this.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yeah, I'm excited. It's a it's a league where pretty
much it gives opportunity for all the w n b
A players to play in before the actual like w
season because of playing overseas and those type of things.
In the situations that have occurred over there. You look
at some of the stories that have you know, been present,
you know, Britty Grinder and those type of things, and
(43:00):
so we've been you know, using our voice to find
platforms that we can have here where we can still
be able to work on our craft and the off season,
but still get paid to do so. And so I'm
excited to do it. I mean everyone has always said
if I wanted to take Basketball Series into the next level,
that I needed to play in the off season instead
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of just training. So I'm happy to just kind of
be back around the girls again, the basketball community. And
they just announced that they signed a partnership with ESPN,
so like all of our games will be on ESPN.
I love that. So I'm really excited.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
You're the name.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
I feel like that's like kind of driving it.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
I mean, all of us are, you know. I'm happy
that they gave me the opportunity. I'm humble, truly, like
I am. I've been I've been working my ass off
behind closed doors, so I'll be ready when the time comes.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
And aside from all of these, like, what else are
your passions? I know, basketball modeling, fashion, which you've been
killing it in. Have you ever diated somebody that didn't
like what you had on and was like, I think
that's too absolutely risque. What's the balance there and taking
into consideration.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
I would never say someone told me if I had something,
I'm risky, but they definitely corrected me. Like you can
do better well a fly enough to each just to own.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Do you appreciate that or do you feel like, no, okay, there's.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
A way to do it. But no, not in not
in my past experience.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
No.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
As someone who is a model but also an athlete,
do you feel a pressure to be more, like, more
dressed up when you're out in public, even if you're.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Going to like, No, not at all. I think it's
funny because when I first started miling, it was hard
for me to tap into different characters. I just wanted
to be myself. But as you know, I've gotten a
little bit, you know, more comfortable with it. People are
forgetting that I don't look like that all the time.
So what you see on a red carpet, what you
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see in a magazine, Like, I don't dress like that
all the time. I'm still in my Olivia Pope bag
every day. But it's just like you guys don't get
to see that fast. You just see what you pick up.
So I enjoy more being just my authentic self as
much as I can away from all that. But I
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definitely will say fashion has taught me the depths of
the level of comfort and being a woman that basketball
probably would have never taught me. You know, there is
a difference.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Yeah, No, it's a great time for that too.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Yeah, I just want to say, like, I love to
see where women's basketball has been, just the way that
it's been thriving, growing, And also I think NIA has
played a huge part in that too, knowing that these
people that make more money from those deals and even
their salaries.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
You know. And I think the narrative that comes with
that is like, well, you know, women sexualize themselves because
sex cells like no if my aesthetic, my aura, my attire,
you know cells that's strictly solely off of the consumer
base that happens.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I want to say, with men, they'll do like underwear deals,
and to be honest, like, for for you and for
a lot of women, part of the job is working
out all the time, and your God is a large
part of Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
I mean, but if you if you think about what
the illusion has been for a female athlete, and then
especially just for a basketball player when you see them
outside of shorts in a jersey, it's.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Like whoa, yea.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
And I think people are still adjusting to that. I
think we're still adjusting, you know.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
I remember there was that conversation. What I want to say,
was it Gilbert and Rainus? Who was it that was saying, well.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
I want to see girls like playing thongs.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
And that's how I was like, first.
Speaker 5 (47:04):
Because they don't care about the sport.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
Then because if if that's what you want to see,
you don't care about the sport, you just want to
You just want naked women on the round.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
I mean he was saying that's how you'll get people
to watch, or something like that like that.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
That was basically do you think.
Speaker 6 (47:17):
So people do?
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Just be said they really do. But you know, I
think that.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Sometimes if you want me to watch male basketball, put
them in a little shorts to that.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Watch watch it, then watch.
Speaker 9 (47:37):
The ball.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
If we want to make me watch sports, I want
skins and I'm only watching the skins.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Well on that note, but okay, so playboy, I love
that both you guys.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
We wanted to make sure Jordan was here because I
know you're traveling, but I just know that moment.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
For me, I wore my Playboy pants. Well, her face
is on the pants.
Speaker 6 (48:08):
Yes, there's.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
What happens and what happens like once you do Playboy
And we were talking about this with Jordan, but like
what comes from that, Like what do you get after that?
Because I know there's financial and there's also appearances.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
You know, ideally it would be nice to to turn
around and become Playmate of the Year. There I might
know someone, you know, there's that I don't. I don't
really know though, I'm still learning as this thing goes on,
you know, so we'll see.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
I think you need like just like have her pictures
on her jeans, you needed some merch. Yeah, that to
be amazing.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
Yeah, because the pictures that we've seen, you know the Yeah,
I think I could see that on.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
Calendar.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
You guys seen the picture, not all of you just
what was.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Released We didn't see. Whoam kidding? We see sire like,
but these are safe for merch s.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Not all of them are not safe for mar Well, yeah,
that one's great.
Speaker 6 (49:18):
This one's not safe.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
No, no, no, I think this one is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
I think this would be amazing on like you.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Know, it's it'll it'll be funny to see what people
if they bring the magazine like to the games.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
We're definitely gonna get for signatures from everywhere.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
Hopefully, hopefully you have a signature. Is terrible, but hopefully.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
It's got to be the T shirt. I can see
this is like, would be a great T shirt anybody,
This would be a great Yeah, and why wouldn't you?
Speaker 5 (49:55):
Yeah, And I'm like, yeah, even a tank top like
that would be.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Yes, that will work on it.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Maybe it will be one of my tone of looks
coming into the game.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
You know that immediately talking about.
Speaker 6 (50:11):
Got to get the point.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
So listen, so right now, like you said, if if
when Jordan first asked you, or I don't know if
it was Jazmine Jordan, if you wanted to be in
a relationship and you said, who wouldn't Is there anybody
that is like you're looking at that's especial that nobody
even you know, nobody's even stepped up.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
No, I'm not. I'm not looking. I'm I'm letting it
come and find me. You know, I'm operating like God's speed.
There's a lot of us out here that are operating
at the pace of our ego. So I'm not rushing that.
I don't even have the capacity to be honest right now.
To try to work that into my lifestyle, it would
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take someone very understanding and you know, emotionally mature.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
You think you're closed off though.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
No, okay, I'm not. It feels like you are.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Just that you said you.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
Might just be close off to the to the interview,
to the public of like.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Because even like thinking about people in real life, she's
not gonna go on no apps, but if you approach
in real life, she's not.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
I mean, I am, I am open. I'm open.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Maybe references from friends.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
I think that's always great because somebody trying to set
you up on a date.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Like it's it's it's happened.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
But you know, if you have to describe the qualities
of somebody that you would even consider, you know, what
would those qualities be?
Speaker 2 (51:41):
God fearing number one? Again, the emotional intelligence piece is
big for me, Like I want to be mentally stimulated.
I want to have like a mental orgasm and.
Speaker 10 (51:57):
Then followed by but I want someone that is very
secure in themselves and knows like who they are, uh,
takes accountability, but is open to growing.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
I don't. I don't want to, you know, date some
a man that thinks that he has maxed out of
his lessons because of his masculinity. I want you to
be able to still learn and teach me as well.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
So yeah, and esthetically you're you're just open short king.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
It would be it would be kind of harding, it
would be kind of hard. I'm five to nine, Okay, Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 5 (52:50):
That's yeah, Okay, I'm five to seven.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
But it don't come up, well, you're not the one, yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah, I mean, but we'll we'll see. I'm not in
a rush.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
I definitely shouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
No, yeah, I wouldn't say I'm as guarded. Again, it's
just when you get to a place in your life
and you know what you want, like what you want,
it's hard to be manipulated. And I'm running into that
a lot that It's like, I don't even want to
take the chance on her because she'll mess up, you know,
and how I feel or you know, she not even
(53:29):
on that type of time. I take that as a
compliment though.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Sometimes it's good that you learn your lessons early and
get them out the way too. I want to say that, yeah,
because you don't want to learn them later in life
and it's more disastrous like that.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would be nice to attract someone older.
I will say that, Okay, I will say that, Like
my ideal dream date is like just going out to dinner,
having a glass of wine and just having meaningful, in
depth conversation. You know.
Speaker 5 (53:58):
That's what's your what do you older?
Speaker 8 (54:00):
Like?
Speaker 5 (54:00):
What rings do you think?
Speaker 4 (54:01):
Because you're twenty eight, so a lot of people everyone's so,
what's your what's like your peak age?
Speaker 7 (54:07):
Like no, no, no, you're no older than what?
Speaker 5 (54:09):
Older than than this?
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Sixty?
Speaker 2 (54:13):
I would say, like forty forty five.
Speaker 6 (54:16):
Okay, that's a good range.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, not older than your mom. Basically, like you do
not be older than my basics.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
I still, even though I'm very attracted to the mind,
I still want to be able to share moments with someone,
and so I don't want you to be turned around
fall asleep.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
But yeah, well, thank you so much Kaifa joining us today,
and congratulations on everything.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Thank you, thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
They wanted to pop this cheap bottom. We're not going
to do that.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
We're not going to do that.
Speaker 6 (54:56):
But I want my addition signed.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
Okay, yeah, I definite don't want that. We got to
pop out on you.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yes, yeah, I'm like, you know, like thank you connect
with Shelle Young and you know if you're like, I'm nervous.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Myself not all. Yeah, I mean I play. We're not
gonna put out no bullshit either, Like they're.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Not gonna I'm very confident. I'm very confident. I don't
I'm not nervous about what people are gonna say, like good,
better and different.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
That's about to go crazy.
Speaker 5 (55:23):
They they're very well done.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
It's gonna goaz.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
Good concerning about like them forty fifty year olds is
gonna come knock you.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
They shot back in my head, you know, hilarious.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
Well, thank you so much. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
I really appreciate it. It's kind of like you gotta
put me on all the things.
Speaker 6 (55:47):
Yeah,
What app it's lip service. I mean, like, ye, I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Jordie jor I'm Jazzmine Brand.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
The keen ones Kaiser Kaiser a ka Kai for the
rest of this episode. That's why do you prefer Kai
over Kaiser over Kaiser Ganjas You pronounced.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
It right, Okay, it's just easier. I mean everyone is
just yeah, So we did.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
We did hear some of four different appreciations of it
throughout the let's looking to see make sure we said it.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I didn't realize that Ray was her, that it was
Kaiser Ray. I thought that. But it's a beautiful name.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Though.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
What I will say is very googleable. You don't have
to worry about somebody else, like a different Kaiser.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I will say, I've googled myself like a couple of times.
I just typing like k y us and then like
the that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So yeah, there's a lot of Angela Yees out there, Yes,
but you probably first do I. Okay, I'm gonna be honestly.
I think there's like some boxer or something named Angela Yee,
and then there was too, and then there was a
doctor Angela Yee because I think he's like a super
popular Chinese name.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, yeah, I was just thinking about it.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I can feel what is just a dude who's in jail?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Okay, well that's not you.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
First is I'm a comedian, Like, there you go, so
I go first.
Speaker 6 (01:19):
There's a rapper named Jordany Manuel.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Oh really really is he good?
Speaker 6 (01:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I haven't listened, but sometimes i'll get his Google alerts. Well,
this is the only Kaiser gon Jasic right here, so
right only, and.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
We love that for you.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
But what we also love and you're on this count
with with our girl Jordie Jour, is that you are currently.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
In Playboy magazine as a playmate.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah. The first, the first w.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
N B A and now you're playing for AU right,
but the first active professional women's basketball player and Playboy.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So is everyone.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
They When they asked me to do it, I was
a little iffy, right like at first, like is this
the lane in the direction I want to go in?
But you know the famous words of Kim Kardashian, it's iconic,
and I love to do iconic shipkay. I had to.
Honestly though, I had to to do my research to
(02:18):
see who all had shot before, you know, also to
like what other public figures. And once when I saw
like the names and like Mariah Carey and those people,
I'm just like, okay, I looked all the way back
and you'd be surprised, Like Sidney Crawford. Yeah, I saw
(02:39):
some of like the lineup. I'm like, okay, maybe it
isn't as.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Bad she did it.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
And I looked up. I looked up like athletes that shot.
I think there was like one Olympian, but like no
African American athletes, like professional, definitely not a basketball player.
So I'm like, when it's all said and done, my
name will be the first.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And yeah, and this was announced a while ago, but
now the magazine is finally out.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
How do you feel.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I haven't seen it yet, so maybe like it's different.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
Images though, right, uh yeah, okay, look amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I am the the images that the two that they
did release to show that I was, you know, introductions
of Playmate are not the ones that are in the magazine. Okay, baby, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
A did you get final say on like what type
of like what they what they used, what they didn't
use type thing.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, So it's editorial, the way editorial works you show up,
you do your job.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
They get they did a job.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
But because you know, it is a kind of monumental
and historical moment, they did allow for me to have
a little bit of a say so, which I'm happy
about and humbling, you know, to be able to have
a say. But I've had to become comfortable with whatever
is out there.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Did you go full nude? Full frontal? Because we couldn't
tell them the pics, I.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Guess you have to see.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Joined play Boy.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
It was good.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It was good, you know, Like you said, it's one
of those experiences where you have to really consider and
think about it. And I did it when it was
coming back from not being nude to then going back nude.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
So I had to be like.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
So did you do what?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Did I never saw?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
So did you join? That's really good? Yeah, everyone's but
did you do everything?
Speaker 6 (04:41):
Except no crotch?
Speaker 1 (04:43):
That was my rule.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I don't want any crotch boobs. It's fine, but.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
What is it about crotch that bad? As you?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I just wanted something to be sacred just to me,
and I feel like that's my whole birth canal.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
You don't need to see that when.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
You sit whole that we're going to say.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Second, I didn't. I didn't show either. Yeah did it
ever show? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Full bush and everything.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I was happy, Like one thing like about mine the
photographer that shot me the same as stuff like that's.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
What shot mine?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I was gonna say, you weren't you know? You were
actually the now no wonder why you look familiar? You
were the what is it called the where they do
a highlight of, like the mandra of, Like this is
how we want this set up to be.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, so he was like they did the aesthetic. They're like,
you have a very like nineties aesthetic, and so all
of my images are very like yellow old image type
versus Yeah, so they they look like the old, like
nineteen eighty seventyboy.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah, I definitely gave a vintage.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Were you afraid to act to tell anyone in your
family when you decided to do this?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So I did ask my mom for permission. It's the
only person I asked for permission. She said, your good?
Speaker 7 (06:16):
What your mom say?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
She said, girl, if you don't turn around and shoot
that thing?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
What was your dms looking like?
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Always watch?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
They were always wild?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
No, I believe people think so, but like no, people
don't try me.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
No, No, just because I know men.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Will I will say what I what I have heard
is that I have a very intimidating aura. Okay, and
like because I'm around like a lot of you know,
my male counterparts because I play ball, I hear the
discussions there like people you know, to.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Sports more so that might be I didn't think about that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I will say though, that the high profile relationships that
you've had, they've always looked at it like you were
such a catch for them to even be able to
talk to you, which I think is a compliment because
it kind of felt like, Okay, he stepped it up,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
That was the view that we had, you know, when
we saw that.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I always like to increase. Yeah, but also to for myself.
You know, I take a lot of pride in not
being where I once was, Like you know, even if
you leave me, you're never going to leave me in
the place where I once was.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And I don't improved your life you know so much too, Like, yes,
are you single? Now?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Are you dating? Which I'm very single?
Speaker 6 (07:53):
Do you want to be if you want to be
dating or being a relationship?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I mean who doesn't want to date. But at the
same time, I mean, I'm truly in my womanhood like
I just turned you know, twenty eight a few months ago,
and but also had a lot of access at a
young age. And you know, what I attract too is
different from probably the regular you know female. So I
know what I want now and I'm dating with intentionality
(08:19):
and like intention to Mary or like I I've been
in the two relationships. Obviously both of those were public,
but they were literally just that a relationship.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Do you regret having them public or do you think
it doesn't matter?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I mean, when you look back at your life, you
learn to accept what your journey has been. Where would
I have done some things differently, Absolutely, But at the
same time, like I own and accept everything that does
come with me, and those relationships have helped me now
kind of channel the perspective that I want. And that's
(08:56):
why I said they were just thatt relationships, because now
I want a partnership and there's a difference.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You know, period, What do you think you learned if
you have to say, here's some lessons I learned because
you were a lot, you know, like you said, twenty
eight is still very young. Yeah, but you were even
younger then.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, I've I've learned about me more than anything than
about men, I would say, knowing who Kaiser is and
who she can be. And that's okay. I think for
me the lost art and I own that as well.
But I think in the relationships that I have had,
the lost art is the fact that I am an athlete.
(09:35):
I am a professional. You know, I've been accustomed to
one lifestyle, one work ethic, oneedrive, sacrifices the same of
the you know, the people that I have dated, and
because you know, I'm a beautiful woman that gets lost
and gets belittled behind my esthetic and they forget the
fact that I am cut from the same cloth that
(09:56):
that you are. You know, so I have the tenacious,
you know mindset that you have. I want my own dreams,
you know, no matter what I may look like or
how beautiful someone may classify you mean to be. That
wasn't the dream growing up, you know, as a little girl,
I'm like, I don't want to marry a you know,
a rich guy or anything like that. The dream was
(10:17):
I want to be a professional basketball player. I have
my own dreams, and that's why no matter what life
has thrown at me, I continue to attack to get
back to my purpose.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
And so yeah, you know, you do come from a
family of athletes, I mean top notch.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
What type of pressure is that for you? Was that
for you?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Because I have to imagine that growing up in that household,
but also being talented the way that you were, and
also working on your skill and knowing what you wanted
from a young age, you put a lot of pressure
on yourself.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It was fun for me. I'm a leo okay something
pretty much you know, astrology, but yeah I'm a middle child.
But I feel like everybody played that. Everyone, Yeah, this
is like, this is what you're doing. I wanted to
be a gymnast. I was too tall, they told me.
And I was too old when I was crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, Jordian Jown talked about that.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
When I interviewed her, I was like, dah you She's like, yeah,
we're considered old now at that young age.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
So I mean this is luckily for me, Like I
fell in love with it since the moment I touched
you know, a basketball and my dad he was a
professional athlete, my uncle, my mom, she won a national championship.
Coach yeah, you know, she played underneath you know, Kim
Mulky who recruited me out of high school and so
(11:38):
just coming from like that basketball. Yeah, so I took
it on as a challenge, like I'm going to carry
the name, but I want to create my own and
I think I'm doing okay.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I wasn't being a professional ball player, but then also
New York Fashion Week and then also you know, just
modeling and doing other things because I know that sometimes
like as we're looking at the w NBA and then
now you're still playing professionally, but how it's grown and
evolved so much like over these past few.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Years, it has. It's it's good to know that the
reality of the vision that I had is now you know,
comeing to fruition and if anything takes off the norms
of how female athletes should be. You know, for me,
I always thought that I was only ever going to
be a basketball player, right, Like, there wasn't really a
(12:32):
blueprint of breaking barriers outside of the sports. I think
growing up you had a few you had like Chryl
Swoons and Tina Thompson and I used to go to
the comments games all the time. You know, I'm from Houston,
you know. But then there was like a drop right,
and there was like a rebrand and now where women's
basketball is you, I mean, the sky is truly the limit.
(12:54):
But I would say for me personally, with my journey
being recognized with my tunnel walks, was what kind of like, Okay,
let me, let me do what everyone else says I
should do. And then once when I started doing that,
then they're like, oh, she don't She's not serious about
the other stuff, you know. But I think I think
that's the beauty like of mastering a craft, right, Like
(13:16):
you get to see the depths and the other gifts
that it's able to give you based off of what
you've done your entire life. And so I'm owning every
facetve of me.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Now that's awesome because you see male basketball players do
it all the time. You see them pivot all the
time from the basketball players doing this and might modeling this.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
It's not as often as you see women doing the
same things.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And gets more criticism.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Like I know you and Angel Reesa good friends, and
it's so interesting to me to see.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
How people like come out over everything. She's done a
great job.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
It's crazy that they do that because men always do that, right,
Like they always given into night and different things, right.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I mean you have to understand it's a different era, right,
and so now like women are being provided the same
resources and the opportunities that men have too, And so
there's a lot of you know, sas sassiness that are
coming from the counterpart, you know, but you know, women,
women are powerful, like and I think that confident women
(14:16):
are more intimidating than you know, a man that is
successful because of his craft. There's a depth that comes
with us, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And so and I know that there was a period
of time that you had to kind of step away.
And so what was going on for at that time?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, well after my rookie my rookie year. Yeah, well
I had lost my father right before I got drafted,
and I kept going and then I was just that
was right before like ni Yl, like I was signed
as the face of Adidas. I was just breaking all
these things, and I was just questioning, like God, who
I didn't know at the time yet, like why me? Right?
(14:57):
And so seeing myself on like billboards and seeing myself
at home in the mirror, it was just two completely
different people. And I became to like to start mastering
what the world wanted instead of who I was getting there,
So I had to take some time to not just
grieve the loss of my father, but also to grieve
the loss of myself and to kind of get back
(15:18):
on track and show back up on the scene the
way I did with my tunnel fits. And then they're
calling me what's her name? From Scandal? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (15:28):
You were giving looks you still do.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I love you and Colins that you put together. Yeah,
Like Colin's one of my favorite stylists ever.
Speaker 8 (15:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I don't work with nobody else period.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
Yes, iconic.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
How did somebody prepare for the journey that, like you said,
to even see yourself on billboards and just you know,
like if you had to tell somebody now, being that
you've gone through it, how do you even prepare yourself
for that?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I don't. I don't think you can. I think that
you just you try to just stay your authentic self
as much as you can be and stay true to that.
You know, you learn to adapt once when you start
to increase, because you're always learning about yourself. I'm still
learning about myself, you know, Like I never thought that
I would turn around and shoot for playboys, like what
am I doing?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
But taken empowered though I do that is I would
imagine that's quite empowering to me.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I Yeah, I am, because I it's no secret I've
endured a lot of trauma, you know, publicly, and there's
scars that I have physically and you know, emotionally and
mentally that people just don't know about. And so I
think the whole rebrand for me at the time when
I did like come back on this scene was my
fashion aesthetic. That's why I was very conservative. It wasn't
(16:44):
a part of me transitioning to womanhood, but also a
part of me that was still a little bit insecure
about my healing my body and then being seen in
a different light like it. It's been hard for me
except like being a beautiful woman. I'm not gonna lie.
I'm not gonna lie. Really why everyone has their different
(17:07):
definition of beauty, right, and so you can be sexualized,
you can be beautiful because of this, you know, you
can cover it up. You know you're not beautiful because
of who you've been associated with, what you've been through.
And beauty is what I've learned is scars healing and
(17:29):
so for me when I shot Playboy, it gave me
permission to just do that, like I have behind the
same footage. The first five minutes, I'm rolling right like
because I've been modeling now for a year. But the
moment they asked me to drop that top and move
that arm, I'm like, no.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Reaction.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I looked at my team and they were just so
like enamored, you know, with the shots because they're being
uploaded on the big screen, but I can't see it,
and I just look for their approval, like tell me
to stop, and they're just smiling, and I drop everything.
I do a hurdle over this set and I run
to the dressing room and I looked at God, I said,
what am I doing? Yeah, but you.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Know it's I think that and like I said, I
think it's empowering. But I also feel like later in life,
like you'll look back at this and be like, I'm
glad I did it. Yeah, But even when I think
about just like like Jordan, you look back at that
and you're very happy, like you.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
But I hear you though, because I did a show.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I did a reality show, and I felt like summer
house Mark, this is a summer house Martha's Vineyard, And
there was a point where I got into an argument
with a guy who had been pursuing me, and I
was like, I need you to stop sexualizing me. And
I think it's difficult, especially with dating after you've done Playboy,
for them not to differentiate having vulnerability in your body
(18:57):
and being comfortable with your skin and being in powered
by that and not being sexualized with it. And I'm
sure you've been challenged by being taken seriously or not
even just before.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, I mean everyone was. They've been stretching the narrative
since I've started modeling, like she needs to do only fans,
of course, So I'm like, you can make you can
make a nice coin, like if she started only fans,
we would pay her. But I'm just like, there's a
difference between stars just play basketball. Definitely, I definitely thought
(19:35):
about it. I'm like, let me upload a picture and
you open it up. It's me working out. But I
was like, what's the point. And then at the same time, too,
like I value my name too much to associate it
with some some things, and so I was like, I
won't give you guys only fans, but I'll give you
playboy right.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
With only fans, because I do know, like I had
Sash and Victory on and she has the only fans.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
She's a professional tenant player. She's not naked on there.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
She has like sexy pictures, but because I think and
other tennis players have done it, but white ones, and
they have given her a harder time than anyone else.
She's also very voluptuous, like she might have on like,
you know, a bathing suit, but they acted like it
was like the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
And I'm like, girl'll get your money.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
She's making a serious coin too.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I'm like, yeah, I mean, but she's like I said again,
and like we're in a different era. Like how we
got here, I don't know. But one thing I have
learned is that our young men and even older men
now like they feel like the only way they can
complement a woman is by degrading her value. I don't
know where that was taught. I don't know how that's
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been manipulated to where we are today. But the fact
that you have to do that lets me know that
you are fond of me. There's a lot of you,
there's a lot, but you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
A lot of fewer amazing people than Yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
What I mean, But it's it's never it's never enough.
It's never enough. A woman's confidence only highlights everyone else's
in security.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
And like you said earlier, and I know you tested
on this, but you have been through a lot, like
very publicly, that hasn't been easy relationship wise.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
So what has that healing process been like for you?
Speaker 9 (21:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Beautiful, ugly every emotion, but worth it honestly. Like I said,
I was, I was a little hardhead. I didn't know
God at the time, and so I feel like he
had to put me through a situation where he got
like my undivided attention to re get back to my
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roots and to remember who it is that I need
to place my eyes on from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I said, your family was ready to roll out too, like,
don't put your hands. But I want to say this,
it's also an easy to cast somebody out for something,
and not that you even probably wanted it to be public,
because something like that ends up.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Being public, whether or not you wanted to.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
But sometimes we feel bad about somebody doing something to us,
even though it's not I was just saying this, Really,
it's not my fault. That this happened and you deserve
you know, whatever it is you deserve for doing something
physically to me, But somehow you become like the bad person.
Speaker 9 (22:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Well, I mean one thing I will say is, and
I'm still learning. I've taken pride in becoming someone's like
safe haven because I know who I serve is gonna
bless and give his favor on me regardless, Right, So
I don't need to defame someone else's character in order
to make myself look better. I know who I am,
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you know, and at the end of the day, even
though I am a public figure and I have been
in public relationships. You guys know who I date, but
y'all don't know my business. And there's a beauty in
that mystery. You know, a lot of people open themselves
up too much where they make people a part of
their relationship and it only takes two to tango, but
everybody's dancing with you, and you mad because you gave
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the invite. I don't do that. So, yeah, have I
been in situations where I'm like, why did that have
to be seen? But at the same time, I'm like, Okay, God,
you're using me because you're making my trauma become a testimony,
and that's why I needed to happen. And also at
the same time like the fact that he was able
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to carve out and multiply the things that I wanted
and the desires of my heart on top of that.
That's why I'm grateful in a sense. I know everyone
would probably look at me like, and I love my women, right, Like,
I never want to portray the wrong message. But at
the same time, I do respect any decision we as women,
we feel like we need to make to protect ourselves.
(23:56):
And like I said, you know earlier, I've worked too
hard on my craft to become someone to let it
be robbed in a moment, and so I had to,
you know, always think about my future, the next move,
and and that's what I'm going to continue to do.
But it's it's a it's a learning lesson. Yeah, you
pay attention to the red flags before you get there.
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And even my own, right, what are your red flags?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
If you had to say, we had to we were
critiquing ourselves, Yeah, what would.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
You say are archives red flags?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I would I would say for me in terms if
we're talking about relationships, I would, Uh, I'll take ownership.
I sometimes I get a little selfish, not for the
wrong reasons, it's interpreted the wrong way. I see you,
and I see your success, and I see the heights
that you are in your career. There's that test sat
(24:51):
surround that comes out of me. It's like, okay, I
need mine to so. But it's a healthy competition and
that I've heard that like I feel like I'm competing
against my woman. I'm like, no, you're looking at it
the wrong way. You're inspiring me to go harder because
I'm not gonna be someone that's gonna just sit on
the couch and wait until you provide me a surface
level lifestyle. The cost of me waking up every day
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and not living in my purpose is way more expensive
than that. So I would say that's been a red
flag for me. But it's also not a downfall either.
It's it's made me learn to operate more in my
femininity and you know, and to not portray this dominant
masculine energy. I can still be soft and still be graceful,
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but still set my boundaries with Hey, I appreciate you.
But again, like I said, that's why I want that partnership.
I think a lot of men in society today, especially
like I can only say athletes, right, and I've said
it in my relationship. I'm like, you want to pett
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Yeah you don't. It's uncomfortable for you to be challenged
because you don't have a lot of people around you
that challenge you because you've amounted yes.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
You're even dating, I'm sure like a lot of times guys,
you know, they'll date women who are more like available cateren.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
And that's also a ref like mine as well, like
I'm not as available. I'm available for you emotionally, spiritually
and all those things, but no, I will not be
at every outing, every setting of yours. I mean, and
I can be, you know, I own that. I'm like,
(26:38):
you want me to come to your your games, I
want you to come to my games. I want to
have something to offer, right, you know. And so I
guess that is the Leo side of me, that is competitive.
That's the side that people don't see because they only
see the arm candy side of it. But behind closed doors,
you get to see the depths of people's insecurities and
the images they put up and the things that from
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the outside looking in you won't you wouldn't know because
they've amounted to a certain amount of success that somewhere
they've you know, misconstruted and to start categorizing their personal
lives based off of what they what they do, and
it's completely different. Who I am performing my craft is
completely different from who I am in my personal life,
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and sometimes that gets overshadowed because that identity becomes one
I don't know if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I was talking with this couple yesterday about just like
how their family dynamic played into their relationships later in life. Yeah,
and thinking about like how you were raised and how
your relationship with like your parents, your brother, your sister,
all of that plays into who you are in a relationship.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, how would you say, like your household.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Contributes to who you are on a personal level with
a significant other.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I mean, well, me coming from a dominant basketball lineage.
My mother she won a national champion and ship. You know,
my dad was a professional athlete, so there was a
happy medium, you know. But I've also watched my mom
raise us and make sure we went to school and
we got our degrees, and you know, none of us
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had to pay for college, and my dad took care
of the basketball aspect, and I didn't think that how
important it was the young woman, it was being the athlete,
until I've gotten older and I'm like, wow, my mom,
she put in some serious work, you know, behind closed doors,
you know, because you only look at the surface. And
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so I've had the best of both worlds. I feel like,
in a sense, my dad he's, you know, Caucasian Polish,
but my mom's side, you know, dominant black woman, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
And so how did they get together?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
She it's funny she's saying the national anthem at his
game because she came walking out in a catsuit and
she said he was She was like, every shot that
he shot that game, he was looking at her. She
said that was the swaggiest confident white man. And she
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was like, and that was her first white guy she
ever dated. And less it stops here. I don't have
a preference, but I want some nice, little mixed, colorful
baby never gated away guys, I haven't, but I'm gonna
be honest with you. I'm open to anything at this point,
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you know, because I realized I'm not physically as attracted
to men anymore. Like I want my mind to be simulated,
and that doesn't come with race.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
Okay, yeah, so what kind of man do you have
in mind?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Would you need to be a woman too?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Oh yeah, could be a woman.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
No, I think women are beautiful, now me too, cruise together. Yeah,
I mean I think women are very beautiful, but one
one obviously underneath the direction of God. This is most
(30:15):
important for me. But I do believe that men are
supposed to be leaders. But at the same time, I
have to trust to be led properly.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Right, Yeah, that's hard.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, and don't leave me off, no cliff there. Even
you know, even though I've been around successful men, I
haven't been led properly. I've been led in some wrong directions.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Are you on like the apps and stuff? Or you
just like that?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Not that.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
It would be nice to organically meet someone like I,
But where do you do that? It's funny that I
say that because the moment, like if I go sit
at a bar and someone like tries, I'm like young,
but I'm like but it goes to show like that's
we've lost that we don't know how to like socialize
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anymore because we're so used to like being like my
picture or he's sent a DM like we don't know
how to interact organically.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And every look at a km's phone, somebody's popping up
on the app.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Have a lot of apps.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, so you have your notifications.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Somebody radio. I couldn't be organic people. But I'm out
and about in the spaces.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Remember he's not going to parties and he has how
many shows all the time?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
These people, yes, but straight people in the audience.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
Okay, gay people do.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
But I don't like hooking up with fans.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I feel about that.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
What if somebody comes to like a game and they're like,
you know, that's how I look, that's how your parents
mett But they were both working though. But I want
to say, like, when you think about fans and people
like knowing who you are already is.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
That No, it doesn't. It doesn't bother me. It doesn't,
you know, as long as that is not the intentionality
behind trying to interact with me, you know, I'm not
I would I would sit here and fabricated if I
were to say that if I were to ever, you know,
date another public figure, I would have no idea who
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they are. But that doesn't matter to me. I don't
place the importance off on that. So as long as
someone will look at me the same way, I'm open
to it. I just I just want a good man,
like what would be somebody I feel like, if I
have to tell you, then you don't need to you
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don't need to come over here.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
You know, what's the time that somebody has impressed you?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I can't think of too many times. No, it's do
people approach you a lot?
Speaker 4 (32:57):
I feel like, because like you said earlier about you
kind of being into.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
No they I mean I take I take responsibility in
that too, because I've I've learned the difference between less
and love. So if like off rip I, because I've
been able to identify it, I shut it down. I
know there's you know a lot of men that are
maybe fond of me, but they just want to be
able to have the experience to say I've had access
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to her, and so I shut that down, you know,
through body language, through you know their verbiage. You know
I've learned, and so to sit here and say what
has impressed me, it's it's kind of weird to answer
that in the space that I am now, because what
used to impress me is like the bare minimum.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Now they got it.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah, I can think about like small things.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
You know, sometimes it's a little well that is, that
is one of the things I will say, like someone
who pays attention and finds joy and paying attention to
the details of me. Right, So like prime example, if
I'm just and this is very small, if I'm just
sitting at dinner and you send over a drink, don't
send over a drink or send over a shot. If
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you see me drinking a martini, send me in the martini.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
That I don't send it just to you either, whoever
you're with, the whole table gets around, Please and thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Bill was taken care of already.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
That's so attractive.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
It is, it is, you know. But nowadays that's too
much to ask for.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I feel like a lot of people lack social skills
now too, just because because everybody's meeting each other and
dating in different ways and not necessarily like you said
in person.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Well, I mean, one thing I will say that I'm
learning and to not take it so personal is like
if a guy approaches me in a certain way, that's
all he knows because he's doing it to other women
and so for some somehow, for him it's been accepted.
And now because it's not working on me. Oh she
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suck up.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
People still cack off. It has to work somebody something to.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
Some man that will make adjustments. If you'd be like, no,
I'm not really with that. You got to do exizing,
but oh okay, Like yeah, no, I.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Don't want to train someone. I just want to just
be ready.
Speaker 7 (35:26):
I feel you.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
But everybody's different for everyone, right, because like you do
have to learn someone and learn like when one person
loves you may.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Not Yeah, like how I say I want a partnership,
I'm not naive to know that doesn't happen. Off rip,
that's something that's built, you know. But I'm not going
to continue to repeat myself about the details. You have
to be receptive, just like you want, you know, your
your woman to be receptive. You don't want to come
home and keep reminder, make up the bed, do the dishes,
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do this, like like I don't want to remind you
take out the damn trash. There's nuts in the house.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
You know, somebody.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I take out my own trust, you know?
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Would you date someone to just this public? Would you
date someone that's like I don't want to say making
less than you, but like not not not like like
living on the streets, but just like a regular like
nine to five shift lead.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Type in trouble?
Speaker 5 (36:26):
What exactly like Africa? I don't know, I thought.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Sorry everybody, I want to ask you this because we
know about two public relationships, But what don't we know
about as far as like people you've dated? Because those
are what we know because we've seen that that's the
only two relationships you've been.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
In if you want to count my high school sweetheart,
But like anything before COVID doesn't count.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Wow, do you think that?
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Like?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Would you date another NBA player another?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I wasn't supposed to date another one after the first one,
but it just happened.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
But why would you say no to that?
Speaker 9 (37:08):
Like?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Why would you say that? Because it's the same type
of feels?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I just I want something different. I just want something different.
If I want to expand my range and expreid my
you know, emotional intelligence and my wisdom, I have to
embark upon and experience something different.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Well, how did he approach you that made you give
it a chance? Then, since that wasn't what you were
looking for?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Timing God's timing.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
I guys, you know I got caught.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
You think you've been in love, not a healthy form
of it. Okay, yeah, not in a healthy way. But yeah,
I mean no, not yet.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Honestly, No, she's Jalo is older.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
She said she ain't never been right.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I will say, I will say that someone has made
my heart soft after the relationship was over, because the
fact that I didn't hold resentment in my heart and
I still wanted you to still have a you know,
a great lifestyle, even if that is without me, and
I didn't want to take be the one to take
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away your dreams and your gifts. I think that that's
probably the thing that I'm most proud of next when
I give my heart to someone, because we live in
a society where there's so many people whose hearts are
so hard, and we have all these rules about how
we should socialize. If someone doesn't text you first on
text background, if I want to talk to you, I'm
going to reach out. I'm going to give you a call.
(38:50):
You don't respond, It's okay. I'm not going to take
a person you're probably you're you know, you're probably busy.
I'm not going to start driving myself and saying with
the narrative in my head just because social media says,
this is what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
You do sometimes, Yeah, call you, you don't call me
back for I feel like if I'm somebody's like because
we had a conversation about this, but if somebody is
like really into me.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I think it shouldn't be more than a day of you.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Not absolutely, I mean I think I think that's the
beauty though, Like you were allowed to make up your
own rules. I think the problem is that we're so
many people are following everyone else's rules and you're not
dating them, you know, And so when you're first interacting
with someone, you can't place roles and responsibilities off someone
off rip. That's how you set yourself up for disappointment.
(39:41):
You know. You gotta allow things to just take its course.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
I've always loved this saying you can never do the
wrong thing for the right person.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
So if you're aligned with something and it works for you,
then it might not work for anybody else.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, I mean personally, I don't want to talk to
someone all day every day. I got stuff I'm doing,
you know, two minutes just hearing your voice, Okay, Like
I don't want to be your first priority or your
second wow or your third. God should be one. What
you're choosing and chasing. Your dream should be second, your
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family third, and then if you put me in the picture,
absolutely because.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Money.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, you got to check in. You gotta make sure
I'm good, like you know. But yeah, but you check it.
You check it with God on a daily basis.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
You check it.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
You check in with your job, you check in with
your family, and then you check in with you know.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
I just think that especially for you, you understand that
because of your career and how that is to you.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Everybody's not like that.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, you know, you make up your own rules.
Speaker 9 (40:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I've had an experience where you know, someone is crashed
out because they're like you're chasing your dreams and their insecurities.
They're like, you're forgotten about me. No, I'm just trying
to build an empire for us. You know. It's not
one sided here, and so those type of things I
used to go over my head. I check in now
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with myself, like, okay, let me take a step back,
let me acknowledge that I see you, check in with you,
and then go about my business. But I think too,
like that's why I said in my womanhood, because of
my trauma, I've become very emotional, you know, intelligent being
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in a partnership, I would say, or even just a
very healthy relationship comes with the level of emotional discipline,
emotional wisdom. There's not a lot of people that have that.
You realize how just immature some people's minds are, and
that's okay. You just have to find your fit and
so to each just the own. Don't listen to me.
(41:59):
I don't know talking about crazy sign. I'm a sage.
You're a fire sign. That's understandable.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
We're Cameracorn's over here.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, okay, scorpio. Well, I mean the fixed signs. We're
fixed signs.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Very stubborn independent?
Speaker 6 (42:27):
Yeah, facts were cardinal.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah, listen.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
So this new season, Athletes Unlimited, tell us about that,
because that's in February, the new season starts, So talk
to us about this.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yeah, I'm excited. It's a it's a league where pretty
much it gives opportunity for all the w n b
A players to play in before the actual like w
season because of playing overseas and those type of things.
In the situations that have occurred over there. You look
at some of the stories that have you know, been present,
you know, Britty Grinder and those type of things, and
(43:00):
so we've been you know, using our voice to find
platforms that we can have here where we can still
be able to work on our craft and the off season,
but still get paid to do so. And so I'm
excited to do it. I mean everyone has always said
if I wanted to take Basketball Series into the next level,
that I needed to play in the off season instead
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of just training. So I'm happy to just kind of
be back around the girls again, the basketball community. And
they just announced that they signed a partnership with ESPN,
so like all of our games will be on ESPN.
I love that. So I'm really excited.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
You're the name.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
I feel like that's like kind of driving it.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
I mean, all of us are, you know. I'm happy
that they gave me the opportunity. I'm humble, truly, like
I am. I've been I've been working my ass off
behind closed doors, so I'll be ready when the time comes.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
And aside from all of these, like, what else are
your passions? I know, basketball modeling, fashion, which you've been
killing it in. Have you ever diated somebody that didn't
like what you had on and was like, I think
that's too absolutely risque. What's the balance there and taking
into consideration.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
I would never say someone told me if I had something,
I'm risky, but they definitely corrected me. Like you can
do better well a fly enough to each just to own.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Do you appreciate that or do you feel like, no, okay, there's.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
A way to do it. But no, not in not
in my past experience.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
No.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
As someone who is a model but also an athlete,
do you feel a pressure to be more, like, more
dressed up when you're out in public, even if you're.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Going to like, No, not at all. I think it's
funny because when I first started miling, it was hard
for me to tap into different characters. I just wanted
to be myself. But as you know, I've gotten a
little bit, you know, more comfortable with it. People are
forgetting that I don't look like that all the time.
So what you see on a red carpet, what you
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see in a magazine, Like, I don't dress like that
all the time. I'm still in my Olivia Pope bag
every day. But it's just like you guys don't get
to see that fast. You just see what you pick up.
So I enjoy more being just my authentic self as
much as I can away from all that. But I
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definitely will say fashion has taught me the depths of
the level of comfort and being a woman that basketball
probably would have never taught me. You know, there is
a difference.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Yeah, No, it's a great time for that too.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Yeah, I just want to say, like, I love to
see where women's basketball has been, just the way that
it's been thriving, growing, And also I think NIA has
played a huge part in that too, knowing that these
people that make more money from those deals and even
their salaries.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
You know. And I think the narrative that comes with
that is like, well, you know, women sexualize themselves because
sex cells like no if my aesthetic, my aura, my attire,
you know cells that's strictly solely off of the consumer
base that happens.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I want to say, with men, they'll do like underwear deals,
and to be honest, like, for for you and for
a lot of women, part of the job is working
out all the time, and your God is a large
part of Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
I mean, but if you if you think about what
the illusion has been for a female athlete, and then
especially just for a basketball player when you see them
outside of shorts in a jersey, it's.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Like whoa, yea.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
And I think people are still adjusting to that. I
think we're still adjusting, you know.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
I remember there was that conversation. What I want to say,
was it Gilbert and Rainus? Who was it that was saying, well.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
I want to see girls like playing thongs.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
And that's how I was like, first.
Speaker 5 (47:04):
Because they don't care about the sport.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
Then because if if that's what you want to see,
you don't care about the sport, you just want to
You just want naked women on the round.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
I mean he was saying that's how you'll get people
to watch, or something like that like that.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
That was basically do you think.
Speaker 6 (47:17):
So people do?
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Just be said they really do. But you know, I
think that.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Sometimes if you want me to watch male basketball, put
them in a little shorts to that.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Watch watch it, then watch.
Speaker 9 (47:37):
The ball.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
If we want to make me watch sports, I want
skins and I'm only watching the skins.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Well on that note, but okay, so playboy, I love
that both you guys.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
We wanted to make sure Jordan was here because I
know you're traveling, but I just know that moment.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
For me, I wore my Playboy pants. Well, her face
is on the pants.
Speaker 6 (48:08):
Yes, there's.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
What happens and what happens like once you do Playboy
And we were talking about this with Jordan, but like
what comes from that, Like what do you get after that?
Because I know there's financial and there's also appearances.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
You know, ideally it would be nice to to turn
around and become Playmate of the Year. There I might
know someone, you know, there's that I don't. I don't
really know though, I'm still learning as this thing goes on,
you know, so we'll see.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
I think you need like just like have her pictures
on her jeans, you needed some merch. Yeah, that to
be amazing.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
Yeah, because the pictures that we've seen, you know the Yeah,
I think I could see that on.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
Calendar.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
You guys seen the picture, not all of you just
what was.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Released We didn't see. Whoam kidding? We see sire like,
but these are safe for merch s.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Not all of them are not safe for mar Well, yeah,
that one's great.
Speaker 6 (49:18):
This one's not safe.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
No, no, no, I think this one is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
I think this would be amazing on like you.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Know, it's it'll it'll be funny to see what people
if they bring the magazine like to the games.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
We're definitely gonna get for signatures from everywhere.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
Hopefully, hopefully you have a signature. Is terrible, but hopefully.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
It's got to be the T shirt. I can see
this is like, would be a great T shirt anybody,
This would be a great Yeah, and why wouldn't you?
Speaker 5 (49:55):
Yeah, And I'm like, yeah, even a tank top like
that would be.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Yes, that will work on it.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Maybe it will be one of my tone of looks
coming into the game.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
You know that immediately talking about.
Speaker 6 (50:11):
Got to get the point.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
So listen, so right now, like you said, if if
when Jordan first asked you, or I don't know if
it was Jazmine Jordan, if you wanted to be in
a relationship and you said, who wouldn't Is there anybody
that is like you're looking at that's especial that nobody
even you know, nobody's even stepped up.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
No, I'm not. I'm not looking. I'm I'm letting it
come and find me. You know, I'm operating like God's speed.
There's a lot of us out here that are operating
at the pace of our ego. So I'm not rushing that.
I don't even have the capacity to be honest right now.
To try to work that into my lifestyle, it would
(50:51):
take someone very understanding and you know, emotionally mature.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
You think you're closed off though.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
No, okay, I'm not. It feels like you are.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Just that you said you.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
Might just be close off to the to the interview,
to the public of like.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Because even like thinking about people in real life, she's
not gonna go on no apps, but if you approach
in real life, she's not.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
I mean, I am, I am open. I'm open.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Maybe references from friends.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
I think that's always great because somebody trying to set
you up on a date.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Like it's it's it's happened.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
But you know, if you have to describe the qualities
of somebody that you would even consider, you know, what
would those qualities be?
Speaker 2 (51:41):
God fearing number one? Again, the emotional intelligence piece is
big for me, Like I want to be mentally stimulated.
I want to have like a mental orgasm and.
Speaker 10 (51:57):
Then followed by but I want someone that is very
secure in themselves and knows like who they are, uh,
takes accountability, but is open to growing.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
I don't. I don't want to, you know, date some
a man that thinks that he has maxed out of
his lessons because of his masculinity. I want you to
be able to still learn and teach me as well.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
So yeah, and esthetically you're you're just open short king.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
It would be it would be kind of harding, it
would be kind of hard. I'm five to nine, Okay, Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 5 (52:50):
That's yeah, Okay, I'm five to seven.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
But it don't come up, well, you're not the one, yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah, I mean, but we'll we'll see. I'm not in
a rush.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
I definitely shouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
No, yeah, I wouldn't say I'm as guarded. Again, it's
just when you get to a place in your life
and you know what you want, like what you want,
it's hard to be manipulated. And I'm running into that
a lot that It's like, I don't even want to
take the chance on her because she'll mess up, you know,
and how I feel or you know, she not even
(53:29):
on that type of time. I take that as a
compliment though.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Sometimes it's good that you learn your lessons early and
get them out the way too. I want to say that, yeah,
because you don't want to learn them later in life
and it's more disastrous like that.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would be nice to attract someone older.
I will say that, Okay, I will say that, Like
my ideal dream date is like just going out to dinner,
having a glass of wine and just having meaningful, in
depth conversation. You know.
Speaker 5 (53:58):
That's what's your what do you older?
Speaker 8 (54:00):
Like?
Speaker 5 (54:00):
What rings do you think?
Speaker 4 (54:01):
Because you're twenty eight, so a lot of people everyone's so,
what's your what's like your peak age?
Speaker 7 (54:07):
Like no, no, no, you're no older than what?
Speaker 5 (54:09):
Older than than this?
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Sixty?
Speaker 2 (54:13):
I would say, like forty forty five.
Speaker 6 (54:16):
Okay, that's a good range.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, not older than your mom. Basically, like you do
not be older than my basics.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
I still, even though I'm very attracted to the mind,
I still want to be able to share moments with someone,
and so I don't want you to be turned around
fall asleep.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
But yeah, well, thank you so much Kaifa joining us today,
and congratulations on everything.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Thank you, thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
They wanted to pop this cheap bottom. We're not going
to do that.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
We're not going to do that.
Speaker 6 (54:56):
But I want my addition signed.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
Okay, yeah, I definite don't want that. We got to
pop out on you.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yes, yeah, I'm like, you know, like thank you connect
with Shelle Young and you know if you're like, I'm nervous.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Myself not all. Yeah, I mean I play. We're not
gonna put out no bullshit either, Like they're.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Not gonna I'm very confident. I'm very confident. I don't
I'm not nervous about what people are gonna say, like good,
better and different.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
That's about to go crazy.
Speaker 5 (55:23):
They they're very well done.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
It's gonna goaz.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
Good concerning about like them forty fifty year olds is
gonna come knock you.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
They shot back in my head, you know, hilarious.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
Well, thank you so much. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
I really appreciate it. It's kind of like you gotta
put me on all the things.
Speaker 6 (55:47):
Yeah,
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