August 24, 2022 • 51 mins
In the final episode of the first chapter, "We're All Going To Die" creator, disrupter, and Pod-Father Joe Budden sits down with Angie to discuss death in a whole new way; from signs that lead to your cause of death to studying our brains posthumously.
Joe and Angie have had several personal conversations about life and death, but this on-air discussion will make you consider your personal relationships after death, your own legacy, and what you must do while you are here. Shrooms anyone?!
As Angie recaps the lessons learned in the first chapter of the podcast and reveals the theme of Chapter 2, Joe adds his perspective as both a listener and friend in real life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Edgie Martinez in Real Life Podcast, Chapter one, We're All
Gonna Die, with special guests Joe Button.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hello, Mike, Mike.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Mike, sound today, Mike, Mike is good to know you're
rocket here. I was trying to decide before I came what Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I was giving what Joe We're gonna have to do.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I don't do interviews. I hate interviews and I hate
all people. But it's my friend. No you please, but
my friend. So it's like, oh, you can just be yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
You don't have to give Joe.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
So this is technically my last episode of my first season,
first chapter of the Edgie Martinez.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I all and behind the scenes, people have to clap
if you're.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
There, Yeah, come one, this is.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
The last episode you die.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
This is officially the last conversation of that chapter of
the podcast. And I'm so glad I did that because
remember when I talked to you about this, I was
going to name the whole.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Podcast We're All Gonna Die.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
And then something in the back of my head was like,
do you sure you want to commit to that conversation
all the time with every single guest, And I thought,
maybe not. It is a conversation I want to have
and maybe go back to at some point. But I
feel like I had some great conversations.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
But the start of it was we're all gonna die, see,
And that's the great thing about content creation that in
real time you can build. So you started there and
then you started to have just amazing deep conversations with
people that we need to hear from.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yeah, And it's an entry point. So this is my
final season of this conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
How you feeling.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I feel good.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I feel like I feel like what my intention was
going out was to create a space that people could
feel safe, that we could share ideas and thoughts, and
that conversations that I would want to have and take
away and that every episode. This is like the bottom
line for me, that every episode I feel like leave
something for someone to take and use in their life,
(02:07):
and not just the Instagram caption, like really like something
just something profound that somebody could take and maybe they
do it, maybe they don't, but it's my goal to
at least I feel like every episode I took something away,
so I hope and from some of the reaction, I
feel like it's been doing that, which so I feel
good about that. I feel proud. I feel like I'm
making some business mistakes, which we can talk about all
(02:28):
the time, but I feel good about the conversations. I
feel like Lauren. And when I posted the Lauren London interview,
I said this interview will stay with me forever. I
one hundred percent meant that sitting across from her and
watching she took it there. She took it there. But
she did the work to like to take the worst
type of situation and make the best of her life
(02:49):
for her and for her kids. And she's just dope
and smart, and she has so much to offer, and
she just hadn't really, you know, had an extensive conversation
like that.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
So I was so grateful that, you know, that we
had that I took.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
If I feel like I took something away, I feel
like somebody watching has gotta have taken something away.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Listen, she gave it up on there.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Actually, it's what she was talking about with loss and
just the transformation that you go through. Like I'm afraid
I'm afraid of a little bit of that. What do
you mean I'm scared of I'm scared of that. I
heard somebody say you're not a man until your dad
dies and while that fucked me up, like what the
(03:32):
fuck are you talking about, it was like, oh, wait,
maybe there's something to that, and that is frightening.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
That's frightening to me. I can't even imagine that.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, she did say she didn't say this verbadi, but
through some of the lines that she was talking about Nipsey,
she was basically explaining to me how her relationship with
Nipsey is continued after he's not here physically, and it
made me feel like there is relationship to have still
after somebody is not physically here.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I agree with that, which to.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Me gave me some kind of comfort in like, your
relationship is not over with someone who's no longer here,
So you know, one day, hopefully many many years from now,
when your dad is not here.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
There's still a relationship to be at.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
There's still a relationship, not just the one you've had
in the past, but a continuous one because he will
still shape and form who you will forever be.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
And to not acknowledge that would be selfish, Yeah on
my part, where it's like, oh my god, he's not
here with me in the physical right here, in this moment. Yeah,
but no, they aught to here with you all the time.
You can speak to him whatever you want, like it's true.
And Forloren right, like we all love Nipsey based on
our ten years that we got. Yeah, some people didn't
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get ten years with him, but the music and what
we've seen. Imagine seeing him day to day, Like, imagine
how you fall in love with that human and then
lose them.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
She has a weird thing about death too, like you,
I know, you said this to me one time, that
you think about death every day, every day, every day.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
She went to before years before Nipsey passed, because she
had a lot of trauma in her life. Early in
her life, she went to like a death seminar.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I didn't even know that there were death seminars.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I had no idea either, So she was prepared. When
Nipsey died. She had the verbiage, the language, and how
to break that news to her kids because she had
been to a death seminar and she learned about transition,
and she learned about the words and what happens. And
it's just fascinating that that even exists.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That I'm going to google death.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I thought it was fascinating anyway. So I got a
lot from her for that. I got the other thing
I'll say from the Lauren one was she taught We
talked about relationships and she was saying that she thinks
most relationships are ego driven.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
That that made me feel like that'ud be something that
you can relate to.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Its right, I agree with that. A lot of this
ship is ego driven.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Like for me, nothing at everything and everybody, none of
it matters. Like we are so insignificant in the grand
scheme of the earth, right, Like what is our true
That's what I think about a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
What is our true role? Not who what we think
our role is when we're not here?
Speaker 4 (06:36):
How do we find out? How do we know?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I do think there's a way that you find out,
and you know, let's that's when you find like, there's
that moment in your life when you find true purpose
and whether that come from triallenge, tribulation, loss, whether it
comes from success, whether it comes from someone else telling you,
there is a moment I think where you figure out
what your purpose is here and even if you're wrong,
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and what that will result to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
but there'll be a moment where you just know. I
was just saying this to somebody like I feel like
not to get more of it here. I feel like
there are clues in your life that tell you about
your death. And the example I used it and that
(07:26):
was Kobe Bryant, Kobe Bean Bryant and people my co
host told me to shut up because they were about
to cry, so I can't get real deep with them.
But Kobe Bryant is synonymous with work ethic. He's the
hardest working basketball player that we have ever seen. Black Mamba,
the dedication, the stories of him making his teammates take
(07:47):
the Kobe Bryant sneakers off because they didn't perform well.
Everybody has a Kobe story about just how hard he
practiced and just that for your mental to be there,
that is soon impressive, right, and then you go to
his death. I'm getting in the helicopter with my loved
(08:08):
ones and my daughter to go do what we've been doing,
which is watch a basketball game. And now this plant,
this helicopter is going down, and now you have to
hold your daughter knowing what's to come. And we know
what happened there. But man, you're now strong. That man
has to be that man has to be the strongest,
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that he's ever been, And that's gonna take a life
of hard work, dedication, preparation. All those things that he
thought he was doing for basketball wasn't for basketball. Oh
wasn't for basketball at all.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
That's gonna make me cry.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Why would you do that?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
You need it and that's what they said, But that's
who you need it to be in that moment for
your child. Like there's clues. I feel like so.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
My whole life, I walk around like looking for the clues,
like what are they given me?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Have you figured any out?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong because I'm
just clumsy.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Oh God, no, please changes.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I'm clumsy. I feel like you're not going to have
that whatever happens with him like that is a real
Joe way. I hope I'm wrong about that.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
You see that? Is this a theory that you based
just on that one situation? No one more example, just
so I can because it is you just I need
I need more. I need more of that to understand
wrap my brain around.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I really feel like you could do this with anybody
that has died if you just know enough. X died
have made that overdose. He took something, but when it
was that final overdose. They tried to keep them, they
tried to plug them up, waited out. But I mean,
my life has been littered with this, and now in
(10:04):
the final moment, everyone that loves me is showing up.
They're outside of the hospital, they're wrapped around the block.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
It's parades. But it's like this was my life, Like
where was this? Then?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I can't speak to it because maybe it was there,
But in the final stages, you look and you're like, damn,
that's always been there.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It's just always existed. It's clues. It's just clues. You
gotta get over whatever, whatever your shit is.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
That's why self improvement is important for me every day
because whatever is existing in me that I don't really
have the discipline to beat, that could be what it
is at the final stages and.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
You're looking at like, damn, if I would have just.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Did this different, or if I would have just if
somebody would have like, I don't want my last my
last moments to be to be like that.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's so funny because as we're like, I'm reflecting on
the past couple of episodes, and I was talking to
I did marry in my second episode and Mary was
talking about she had seen this movie and it was
like these light beings and beans and she that's her
thought of death is that like we are these lights
even here, like what we create? Whatever light, whatever you
whatever your light is, whatever you're doing that you become
(11:22):
that in death, Like you're just without the body, but
you're still Nipsey.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
How did Nipsey die stand up for something? What do
we know about Nipsey? He stood for something at all times.
There's videos of of in a minute he stood on
ship and in my final moment, you're gonna die being you.
You're gonna die be in you.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
So you gotta constantly work on who you are to
make sure that the stars aligned correctly.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I might need like an intermission after.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
This, we'll go right back, right, No, I just never
really thought about that. That's ill, Like that's.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
A so when you look at it like that, right, like,
how could you not think of death every day?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Like doesn't scare you?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
No, it's got to happen, got.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Appen, right, So the thing is my intention about the
death conversation is, yes, we need to talk about that
because it's real, but it's supposed to be about also
then how if we know that that is the inevitable
for all of us, how do we make the most
of this while we're here?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
How do you do that? How do you make the
most out of your life aside from being a disruptor.
I know that's part of your purpose.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
It's important to me.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I know it's import I don't mean to, but I'm
just saying, do you remind yourself that? Do you do
things based on that? Like do you wake up in
the morning and no?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
See?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
And that's the thing when we have in this kind
of what is the meaning of life and death conversation? Yes,
you know me to be a disruptor, you're my friend.
People know me today to be a disruptor. But looking
back at my life, I've always been that. I was
that before I knew that what that was like. I
love talking to my moment. She tells me these just
stories about me. I was fifteen, she took me to psychiatrist.
(13:11):
The guy said, hey, he should be on pills. I
flipped the table over, got the fuck out of there.
You don't tell me what the fuck I need to
be on. And today those conversations are important because I
have a better understanding of.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
What they put in the pills and side effects.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Of the pills and just yeah, hey, I didn't know
in that moment, but you fucking right.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
You should flip that table over.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, and let somebody subscribe, some subscribe some shit to you.
Later on in my life, them Percoset pills, Oh my god,
they almost killed me. Perk thirties. They almost took Joe
out of here.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Couldn't kick it with drawl sweating. I was fucked up.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Later on in life, I learned that, oh, that was
the Sackler family's little plan that they had where they
got signatures from the FDA to this ship and the
got and they just broke all types of laws. And
the hospitals were doing ship.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
And I'm watching that Sackler doc and I said, oh, Ship,
that's my story in the hospital for something and they
just pumping pills in me. And I walk out the
hospital and now a pillhead like, oh, I didn't know
that that's what y'all were doing.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
School, left school, every school, summer school, votag because of
the no I'm just saying, just just disrupting. I had
to get my information a different way than the norm.
Fucking I don't know when the signs say just go right,
I just go left.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Just do it. I do that ship.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
The pill thing is real even so.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Again, I cried watching that.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I haven't watched it.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It's called uh dope sick.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Oh I saw. I didn't see it, but I've.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Seen them pretty sure. I've want so many that I
think that's what it's called. H I cried watching every
episode of that mini series because it was my story
and I just didn't know. And they really got to
it with Hey, the hospital served this up up the dosage,
(15:12):
Hey put this over here, like they really explained all
of that shit. So yeah, it was. That was a
lot for me. And I like crying. Crying is healthy.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I like a good cry.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Crying is healthy.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
It is Oh sometimes I enjoy a good cry.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
We had Tamika was here, So Tamika Mallory was the
third episode, and she talked about it, and it's so
crazy that she had a pill addiction. So I'm watching
her on socials and watching her do the Women's March
and watching her be super strong and a leader and
an activist and she's popping thirty pills a day in
private and couldn't break it, like she couldn't beat it,
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and so she had to go to the rehab and
in the middle of like, we're watching her be this
and this is internally what she's got going on.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
And I always wonder about that, what people have going
on internally or in the privacy of their home. Chadwick
Rest in peace of Chadwick. Like nobody had. None of
us had a clue. They were joking about it. Way,
Oh my god, look at ups like, yo, this guy
is showing up.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Through through terminal terminal.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Sickness, Like, wow, that is fucking impressive. You never know
what somebody's going through.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
You think about that a lot to you, Yes, all
the time. Yeah, I get scared sometimes of that. I'll
make a mistake.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I'll judge somebody, or I'll treat somebody away because I
think there's something And then I stop myself because I'm like, oh,
you don't know even if somebody is like a dick.
Sometimes I stop myself because I'm like, something made this.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Person that way, Yeah, so let me.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Not treat them cruel even though they're not showing the
best version of them. Sometimes a lot of times I
do that because you don't know what the help people
what that person could be going through was one hundred
times worse than anything any of us have gone.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I think about that all the time too.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Well, me too, because you could die from you. A
lot of people die from what someone else is going through.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
What do you mean.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
The Boston marathon bomber. Two guys book bags, the busiest
day in Boston. They just dropped book bags, and now
mad people die because of what this person was going through.
What these two people were going through. Every day on
the news, you turned something on and see, oh you
had to lose your life because what that person was
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going through is not for me, not for me.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Oh please, this was great adventure from my brain interview. No,
it's not depressing, it's real shit.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I'm going home when I leave here to watch the
Netflix story about the football player who was gay and
he made up a story about his fake girlfriend and
then the media found out about the fair girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Why Princi appeal to you because you like the mechanics
of what make people do things?
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Yes, yeah, that's the most important thing in this world,
is why people do whatever they do and what was
the result when all of this happened, what happened after that?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
That's super intriguing to me. And apparently they fucked his
they fucked him up with all of that, all of
that that was going on. That's yeah, I need to
see that.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I mean watching to it.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Holm a little later on. All right, So back to
my thing. This is my last one. Then I move on.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
By the way, I.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Tell you what my next one is going to be about.
Maybe we could tap into that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
We'll tell me tell me.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, I'm curious what you think about it. This is
my thought. My next group of conversations. I wanted to
be about superpowers.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Right, Oh, great, mushrooms. Great, finally a mushroom pod.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
I'm gonna launch a mushroom pod. No, it's not about mushrooms.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
It's about it's the same thing like it's about purpose really,
but like being able the same way you like the signs,
the cues. I think those are superpowers, like when you
can tap into the thing that's unique about you, Like
I know you always say, like what would jay Z do?
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Right? Take him for an example.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
So what is jay Z's superpower?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Is it because he's a great rapper?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I don't think so, not at all.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Right, So I would love to dissect those type of
things with people. What are those things that make you great?
Separate you?
Speaker 4 (19:32):
How do you use them in the world?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
How do people try to knock you for those How
did you discover them?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Do they change?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Back to what I said earlier about that moment in
life where you find I was saying purpose, But there
comes a time where you realize what your superpower is
and now you live life differently moving forward, like jay
Z's the best rapper in the world to Joe Biden,
but that means nothing in the grand scheme of why
that means and is so amazing. Like the same way
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they say that you can't spot CTE in a football
player's brain until after they die. I think certain brains
need to be studied in death to figure out how
it and jay Z's mind, his brain is one of
the brains for me, Yes, Kanye's brain, another's brains out there.
We need to look at that brain when you're dead
(20:23):
and see how because you are.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Brain is what gets the people going. In fact, I
think that's gonna be the slogan on his brain when
we open it up. It's going to be like a
tattoo on his brain. It's like get the people going. Yeah,
I think that like defines him.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I love watching him.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
No, he's fascinating. No, for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Put garbage bags of hoodies and gap. I know you
know the fucking brain. You gotta be the fucking because
as a consumer, I'm so you want me to go
in there rummage through these garbage bags. But it works.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
You're into it.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I wouldn't do it, but you're gonna get this wave
of people to go in there and rummage through garbage
bags searching for their size and create this hype machine
and that will differentiate the Kanye Gap fans from the
Gap fans.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
That's his hashtag. The garbage bag is his hashtag.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I imagine his brain that goes all day like, it
does not rest, it doesn't sleep, It goes all day.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
If he had one wish outside of maybe his mom,
Mom being here rest in peace to his mom, I
think he would wish for his brain to cut off
for just a couple of seconds.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Well, there's people that do that, and that's usually when
people go on drugs or they drink, or they.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Try to mute or quiet the noise a little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, but like a proper way to do it.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, what is your thoughts about speaking of mushrooms as
somebody who was that a good segue? Oh, as somebody
who's had addictions. And but there's people who swear by
microdocing and by shrooms, and and I watched this Will
(22:18):
Smith thing and he was going on and on about
the mushrooms. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
See, I suffered through addiction with the bullshit drugs that
they just put here, like the drugs that were made
available chemical. Yeah, that bullshit. The ship that Will and
these microdose people are talking about, that's the world changing
in front of us. They talking about something called toad
and ayahwashka and just feelings that are really like outer
(22:49):
body experiences. It's been explained to me that one of
them shits, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Really lets you review your entire life and figure out
who you are in those twenty seconds to thirty seconds,
that's how fast it is, and then the high is over.
But damn, that sounds powerful.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I know you're not tempted.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I want to do it, you do.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I want to do that if I If I'm privy
me you thought.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
My fear of that is that, uh, is there anything
messing with you? My brain makes me nervous because what
if I come back and my brain is not the same.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Okay, that doesn't scare you?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
No, really no, because if the brain is like one
of the most powerful tools in the world. So, and
you sound like Neil de gross Tyson. I spoke to
Neil de grass Tyson and he explained to me why
he's never done anything is because the brain is already
the most powerful tool that there is. Why would you
want to alter it?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
See?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I disagree with him. I know he's a genius, but
I disagree. It's so powerful that imagine an alteration of it.
What could it do?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
That's a flawed argument. Is a plane is powerful, but
you could shoot it down. A bear is powerful, but
you could put a tranquilizer in it. So what if
your brain is powerful and you put something in it
that alters how it operates?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
All right?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Does it scare you a little bit?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
No?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I think that this Western colony, this today's, this modern shit,
they want your brain to not be altered. They want
you to only watch TV, only watch the news, and
only know the information that they've given you. And I'm
so glad that I've been a disruptor to where I
(24:39):
don't have to go through any of that. They have
conspiracy theories that say what happened to all of the
what happened to all of the large bells that were
all over the world in eighteen hundred the Big cracked
the Big Kid, And there's theories that say that they've
been either worried or stolen or destroyed. It was the
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name of the movement that destroyed all the large bells.
And the thinking was because the frequencies that omitted from
these bells did something when matched with your brain that
had some type of healing frequency like it did something else.
So they just got rid of all the bells. See
but I believe in shit like that. Your brain, if
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it's so powerful, if matched with the other right thing,
call it an energy, a vibration frequency. If matched with
something else, who the fuck knows what would happened. They
might start flying around here, That's what I think. They
don't want us to fly.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
We should pot on and do like that would be
the greatest pot of all time.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I've done it before, the silliest thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Didn't see.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It came out. We didn't tell the audience what was going.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
On, but was it like micro Dosa was like, oh please.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I don't know. I don't even know how to spell.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Microh got it.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
But today today, yeah, macro everything. But today I've learned
the micro. Those people have explained to me more about
why it's micro, how it should be done.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I just sad with Mike Tyson. He is an advocate,
he believes, he believes it's like saving He's another one.
Yeah yeah, Mike really, but his wife too. We had
a whole conversation and there's people who love it, swear
by it.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
It's miraculous even that sentence like because I'm old enough,
like Mike Tyson swears by See, that's enough for me.
Mike Tyson, I know his story killing machine, Like and
who the fuck you were scared to bump into Mike Tyson.
If Mike Tyson is saying, hey, I found something that
had done this.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
To me, Yes, then the answer is yes, then the answers.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yes to this. It's not hey, make that illegal, no,
give that to all the mighty Tysons.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Shouldn't be Mike Tyson's of one, I think, but about
his superpowers something? Do you know what yours are?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
By the way, I think I do. When I could
be wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Give me one, give me one of your superower.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
It's foresight. I think that I have the ability. I
think that I that God or high power gives me
visions that come come to the come to light in years.
That's it's just happened too much. It's happened too much
in my life, and it's not coming from me. I'm
not that powerful, but I'll get a picture in my head.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
And it will happen. I remember we used to go
to Full of Stories today.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
I love this joke.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
We used to go anytime you want to come for
every single one of the chapters.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
You can come back from superpowers. Already in my mind,
I have foresight.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I already know what the third chapter is going to be.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, no, this is lit fucking. We used to go
to church.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
It was Christian Love Church in Irvington, New Jersey. Rest
in peace to Pastor Rob he died. But at the church,
my mom became super cool with Pastor Ron because she
would send the audience and say, Wow, that guy is
helping everybody out there.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I wonder what he needs help with, Like I wonder
what he's going through.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Like that's what she is and that speak to your
mom's heart.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, so she starts to form these meetings that take
place after the church, immediately after church, when the pastors
finish helping everybody, we get his ass in there and
it's a very intimate, small circle of maybe eight Mike
Williams came eight, nine people and we just dumped it.
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We just dumped it all out. And I remember going
in there one day broke and they said, oh, where
you coming from. I said, well, I'm coming from looking
at this house in Englewood. The house is X amount
of dollars and I can't afford the house. But God
has always done that to me where he makes he
makes me just see something that later will be in
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the book. So I went to see it and they
all laughed and they smell, that's cute. It wasn't even
a few years later. It's like God, damn, God is fast.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
He smoked that. That happens all the time. The house
for me, no, because it's too cheap. Now, too cheap.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Now you can afford that house.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
And yeah, but that's just how quick he'll do it.
If you are in tune, if your brain is of
a certain frequency, these are just these have become buzzwords
that people use, frequencies and vibes and ship. But if
you are really on a frequency, then you only attract
what's on that frequency.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
So no, I don't hear the niggas you talking about it.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
I do love that about you.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
What do you What do you ask God for most?
What do you pray for?
Speaker 3 (30:12):
All intangible shit? All my prayers normally start with strength, guidance, health, determination, courage, discipline,
like all of those things I ask help for. And
when I finish with all of those things, then I
get into people. Hey, pray for my loved ones, my
loved ones, loved ones, friends, all those people. But it
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starts with YO, thanks for the day, Tell me what
you saw and give me give me the strength to
continue further in your life tomorrow. Who knows what's coming now?
God is my biotherapist.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Where is love and the importance of the equation of
your life or your time here?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Hmm, that's a good question. Where is love? And that
it's high? Love is high? Is it?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
It's high because without love, you dying. Without love, your
dad like, you'll kill yourself, So it has to remain high.
I don't mean romantic love. I wouldn't romantic love. You
mean romantic love.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
That's not high.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
It's not high.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
That part is not really some people, it is.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Some people can't be happy without being in love or
whatever that means for them having a partner.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I like companionship, and I would like to be loved
by whoever that person is. But love as a whole
is just like the important part for me the love
of my children, my parents, my friends, my family. Like
the romantic part, that would be awesome, but I just
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want the rightsion of love, like whatever that is.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
That's enough for me.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Do you think them to be the same, Like do
you look for like in a romantic partner that type
of book, Like how Lauren London was talking about how
like relationships are ego driven and she's like, you should
two people should just feed off each other, inspire each other.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Look for a love that because love is selfless, right,
Like I look for.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
People who.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Their idea of love is compatible with mine, with mine,
Like it's tough to separate people from love, and a
lot of people have that problem where it's just a
very selfish yeah version of love, and that doesn't serve me.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I enjoy watching as your friend. I enjoy watching you
in love, yeah, yes, because you have such a unique
way of doing it.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Like I don't know how to explain it, but like.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
You know, even you and Sin like and before that,
i've seen you, and I've seen you in a few relationships. No,
but you're very kind of like you enjoy the person
and encourage the person, and I almost want to put
the person on display in some in some type of
way like you.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I'm proud.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, yeah, I'm proud of people and whoever they are.
And it's like an unconditional love type of thing. I
know some people say that doesn't exist, but like when
when I love like I love and feel like everybody
should love this, Say why y'all don't love her?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
But even it happens when the relationship's over, I still
I still love the same I love the same, see,
and that's why I don't look at it like a
romantic type of thing like Sin and I sends the
mother my baby, of course, but like after I love
her more in separation. Really, her role is so much
greater than whatever I thought it was with me. Like
what type of.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Selfish that's the ego selfish shit? Again, like this person
is in your life for a grand task. You are insignificant,
Like how she treated me. Oh you called the guy?
They like, what the fuck are we talking about you?
This woman is raising your king along with you some
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of her beliefs, ideologies, teachings. All that shit has to go.
It's a funnel. That's the important shit. I don't care
that we fucking broke up.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I say that to my kids about you know, the
importance of choosing someone, always telling me it's like you,
if you choose bad friends or you choose bad relationships,
it can literally ruin your life. Like it can literally
make the difference between having a good life and a
happy life, even if you're not going to be in
the relationship. Yeah, the mother of your child, like you did,
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you did good.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
I say it every day, you do because I think
about it every day. That's how important it is.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Does it make you sad that the relationship.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Doesn't work, well, No, because our relationship does work.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Oh right, okay, Like I've seen the co parent situation
that didn't work like that.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
The relationship is strength. Our romantic relationship didn't work, But
I mean today I don't know if it was supposed to,
like I'm forty one, she's twenty eight. Like, I just
don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
But our relationship is our souls are they do something
like she understands me and I understand her. Maybe that
doesn't work for romance, but for whatever our purpose is. Yeah, no,
that shit works.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
People fight that, right. I think sometimes the two people
make a child have relationship, they're holding onto something so
seung that you almost could miss the collateral kind of
beauty that comes from us not being together.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, that's the ego, ego and self.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
It's that, Hey, I saw it this way, I think
it should be this way. I I I enough of that?
Enough of that? What why did this really happen? Like
and what's to happen moving forward from here? Like I
see horror stories on the internet of people fucking dragging
their baby daddy, baby mom through the months. There's violence,
it's cursing. This just be a mess. And you just
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be like, well, what about the kid? Like is anybody
putting their ego to the side and thinking about the
kid like sin? And I don't go through any of that, Like,
she's just she's she's great.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I can't. I can't. If I wanted to say a
bad word I couldn't like.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
That's that makes me happy.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, that's so, that's dope.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Anyway, I wish for that for you as your friend,
that you find that again.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I hope, so hope.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
But I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
It'll be a process because of I am who you said,
I am like when I'm in love, I am give her.
I am an acts of service, I am a care take.
I show up like I do it all. So I
mean patience should come with that because you can't be
that way with just the instai or the fucking.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Bart And.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Well, I'm a visual guy.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I like a good visual I think most people.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I always say you like a good hip to.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
That's important for me Visually, I'm a contrast guy. See
I know that about me. If I wake up and
put a yellow.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Shirt on, I might want to wear dark pants like
I like contrast. It's important.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Okay, as long as you know yourself.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I feel like, but she's so good at it that
who knows. Who knows?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
It's not it's just making fun of you. It's just
making a little bit of fun of you.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
It's fine.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Let me ask you some of my traditional things that
we like to ask.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
As we're wrapping up the We're All Gonna Die segment
of the In Real Life podcast shoot, let's run down
some of the things that were asking traditional things well,
because there are some things that I asked it, like
I I think I'd asked everyone in this series. It's
so you know, it's the Steve Jobs thing. If you
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if you knew today was gonna be your last to
day day, would you do what you are doing today?
Would you have woke up and decided to do this today?
Speaker 2 (38:32):
I would have done it earlier. What do you mean
we would have done this at seven am? Oh?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
You would have changed the time. Yeah, so that what
what would you do on your last day? If this
was gonna be your last day?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Whatever I wanted, I would keep it to me, whether
that be rest, sit stationary somewhere, and make the phone
calls I needed to make. I don't think I would
do much. Hm, I don't think I would do much.
It wouldn't be much activity. It would be chilling and
it would be reflection. I think that that's what your
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last moment, so like like it's time to reflect on
the job you've done here.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
That's what I would do when I leave you. I
wouldn't cancel you.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Thanks, thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
You're one of the people that I want to wow, but.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Hang out with me. That's very nice. What do you
think happens when you're not here anymore? What do you
think happens when you die? Have you thought about that? Curious?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
M h.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
I have a lot of theories on this one, honestly,
because right like I believe that we're just dead here,
like just so are physical. That was my other fight
with Neil du Grasse Tyson. It's tough talking to people
that are that smart. It's tough talking. I'm an artsy guy.
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I'm on the unknown side of things.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
So he's like, there's nothing in the world that would
say that resurrection or life after death is a real thing.
Everything says that it would be Like what did he
say before I was born, when you didn't know shit,
you just got here.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
That's how def would be. Oh fuck that, Nil deGrasse Tyson.
I think that we go somewhere. I think our bodies
keep us here, and death we can travel the way
that we weren't meant to travel here. So I don't
know if there's a planet somewhere out there where everybody's
just yelling. I don't know if all of us are stars.
I do believe in ghosts. I don't know if we
all just become like ghosts to stay here and watch
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over our loved ones. I have another theory that is
like kind of multi interstellarish.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Where we're our kids, we are our kids, and everything
is the same. Nobody has kids. We're all just each other.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
And you get here to see yourself through a little bit,
but then you get out of here and now that's you.
Maybe your kid's not your kid. I have a mad
weird just yeah, on on on this. I have another
thing theory that says we get a shot at being
every living thing here at some point, like we'll.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Die, we'll be a ant, we'll be a gold, we'll
be account, we'll be.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
A plant, will be a treatable, and that's the cycle
of so we get a we just get to be everything.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Like I know, I'm figuring all.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Right now, No, you're nothing.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Freaks me out.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
I'm just saying that's that's fascinating to me because this stuff, again,
I truly do believe it's all insignificant.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
All of this means absolutely nothing, So.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
What do you care? About what is the one thing
you have to do before you leave here?
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Uh, the one thing I have to do before I
leave here? Is there one thing? I have to do?
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Many things? Many things?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
No, my first answer was nothing, like this means nothing,
So I mean nothing. Any any answer I gift to
this will be like selfish. I feel like I have
to do this before I die. But I don't think
I have to do ship. I think I need to walk.
I think I need to walk in my purpose. And
if I stay on that path, then whatever I was
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supposed to do we'll get done.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Like bowling, Like if I just roll this ball to
that spot, all the pends will fall, none of it
will matter. That's how I looking like. So I'm not
sure there's any one thing I have to do. Like
I have a bucket list of course, where it's all
what's card.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
We'll like you want to go to Greece? Yeah, like Greee.
All of this ship that just I am excited about it.
I'm excited about my grease trip.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
But who gives.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
It?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Really means nothing at all? So then the one thing,
one thing, one thing, one thing.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
You don't have to It's okay. That was a good answer.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I would. I would want a conversation with.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
My loved ones, just if I tomorrow was it, Yes,
I would just want a conversation with.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Whoever my loved ones are they are left at the time.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
You know what what made me think? You made me
think of just now before my grandparents. My grandparents both
passed a couple of years ago, two years. No, I'm yeah,
I don't know. I'm terrible with time. My grandparents both passed.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Before they died.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I thought I had this thought, and I even had
conversations with people. I was like, I want to do
like a legacy interview video with my grandparents where I
asked them what their challenges were in life, what they're
proud of, Like these conversations.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
Imagine being able.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
To have this conversation with your grandparent, your great grandparents,
whoever the elders are in your family, that you could
then not only have it for yourself when they're gone,
but pass that down to your children that super fly,
so that their legacy is like just a legacy video
forever to have. And I so regret because I said
it a couple of times and I just never got
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it done. And then all of a sudden, they were fine,
and then they weren't, And it happened so fast. Even
sometimes parents or older people that I know in different families,
they're mentally not even there anymore to have those extensive conversations.
If you have elders in your family, what a beautiful
thing to be able to do, not just for yourself,
as like legacy.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
So funny you say that.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
I've had that thought before with my granddad. With my
dad's dad was dying and he was just like the
strongest man that any of us ever knew. But when
he was dying and my aunt I was like yo.
I was in a studio one time. It was like,
I don't have his voice recorded. So I called him
from the booth and he wasn't feeling well, but we
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had a little quick conversation. I put it on the
beginning of a song and that was the end of it.
But to further that, I wanted to do what you
were saying. I wanted to sit him down and kick
it like interview.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
I want to record it, but I didn't because it
was selfish, so I didn't. I just I.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Felt like shit, after ninety years, just have a blast
the way you see, Let me not come shove a
camera in.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Your sure tell me about the time.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
I think what I think people want to be seen.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
I think people part of our legacy is like, you
want your story to be told. I think I think
my grandparents would have loved it. I think I regret not.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
Being able to do that.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Maybe somebody else will get the idea from this and
do it and have that.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
For it, and maybe somebody will do to you.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yeah, when if I'm lucky enough when I'm ninety.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
When I'm ninety, I ain't gonna hold you. Don't send
this camera crew in putting the lights up with the mic.
If I see you niggas at ninety.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
I want you to come to my house because I'm
going to be old Quincy Jones with it. I would
tell every Quincy, oh oh he was.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
He was always a piece of shit. I want to
all that crazy shit.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Quincy talk, Yo, his granddaughters need to let him talk.
Tell us, tell us Quincy's idyl. No Quincy gives it
up and wish to be that.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
I want somebody to carry on my face when I'm
that age.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Anybody that knows the truth, like should just share the
truth before they what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
We should do that.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
I watched some ship on the way here, because I'm
always watching some conspiracy theory. Is one of these little
white kids looks young, but he's like, hey, what if
I told you the Titanic never sank, and that JP
Morgan had another boat called whatever it was called, and
it was a rundown bullshit, the immaculate of some ship,
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and he just taped He wrote the Titanic on that
and sank that for insurance. But if I also told
you all of his biggest competitors were on the Titanic, when.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
It's just like, hey, that's a good fucking plan.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Somebody should have told us the truth before they've done
so we.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Could have that. I think people deserve the truth. Let
Quincy talk.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
We're gonna startup, No for real, maybe Quincy will do
the podcast hours podcast.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Yo, if you talk to Quincy, they're not gonna I'm
not gonna let him talk to anybody.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
No, they don't.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Just want to see the questions first. You can ask
some normal shit. He might give it up. He might
give it up. I I can't wait till you speak
to people about the superpower stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Anybody that you want to see, because I'm just I
booked the couple of tables.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
Besides Quincy, but I booked a couple of people.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
I don't know if we should say.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Yet, but see, I like the older O G type
of people I would want to hear from. Who's the
guy that just lost his wife, Clarence A. Von What's yeah? Like,
I'm like those type of people that are just well
tenured here, been here forever, has seen it's change a
million times. Like And that's the thing about me not
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putting the camera in my grandfather's face, right, because it's
really the lutle things that's important, just like peace and
the team things we take for granted, laughing speaking even this, like,
I am so grateful that I woke up and got
to come here and sit with you and speak to you.
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Nobody else probably thinks that that is as important as
it is to me, because it's the little things.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
I'm on a tangent now but you.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
But that's where I'm at. So help people figure out
their superpowers. I think that might fuck people up, because
who even thinks that they have superpowers?
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Everyone? I think everyone does. This is a great dinner conversation.
By the way, if you're at a dinner with a
group of friends. Like, this is how it came to me.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
I was at a dinner.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
I have a group of friends me okay, like one
other friend that you have, that's a group.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
That's a group. We found a group.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
No, don't do that. You socialize sometimes. You had this
social button happens every now and then if you're at
a social setting and a dinner. I went to a
friend shout out to Emmett and Sheila. I was at
a friend's birthday dinner and Emmitt said, em it was
just it was a conversation at the table like if
you had to say, we're your super And it was
so interesting. I feel like people who had been in
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their presence ten twenty times before, Hey, how are you
get to see you in small talk? All of a
sudden at this dinner, I got to know people in
such like a different deeper way when you get to
see how people view themselves. I like one of the
women at the table was like, well, my superpower is
that I I'm kind and that I want the best
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for people, and I just and she's a mom of
like four and it made sense when she said it.
But it just makes you see people it's really any
of these, even any of the topics that I make
for the podcast. It's just an entry point. It doesn't
mean the whole conversation. We didn't talk about death the
whole conversation. It's just an entry point to get to
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know people in a different type of way.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
It's superpower thing, It's dope.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Superpower is good, right because I think it Really it's telling,
like what you think you're thing is and how you
use it and how you found and what are you about.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
To do with that? Since you believe you have.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
It, Let's see, Yeah, what do you do?
Speaker 4 (50:07):
I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
I think before I do the first episode, I really
have to clearly be able to define mine.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
That's why I didn't ask you thank you.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Because you thought maybe I didn't have it.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
One should be well thought out to where you can
explain it. You have a show about it.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
So you want me to wait till then? Okay, got
I'll wait.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
You want me to tell you one or none?
Speaker 2 (50:24):
Give me one.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
I am extremely empathetic.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Okay, that's a superpower.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
It is because people think they are, but they're really not.
We're judgmental people. People are judgmental people, and I can
be too, but I tend to put myself in other
people all the time. It doesn't always serve me. It
doesn't always serve me. Sometimes it's exhausting. But it is
a superpower. That depends how I use it.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
That's training, Yeah, but how do you use it?
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Then if you use it for good and then it's
a good thing.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Are you using it for good?
Speaker 4 (51:01):
I try?
Speaker 3 (51:02):
No, you're great. I'm just trying to spice it up.
But nobody thinks it. Angie's not using it for good?
Speaker 4 (51:07):
No, I try.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
It not perfect. I do dumb shit like everybody else,
But I try. But I will have that thoroughly thought
out by the time we have the first episode of
that of that chapter well, and I'll have you back
on from another chapter.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
If I'm blessed enough to come back. I would love
that awesome, and I'll.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
Probably have figured out more super powers.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Thank you, my love, Thank.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
You, Joe.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Let everybody, everybody's fla, everybody's gonna flat.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Got it feel better when we all do it right.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
It was good
Edgie Martinez in Real Life Podcast, Chapter one, We're All
Gonna Die, with special guests Joe Button.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hello, Mike, Mike.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Mike, sound today, Mike, Mike is good to know you're
rocket here. I was trying to decide before I came what Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I was giving what Joe We're gonna have to do.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I don't do interviews. I hate interviews and I hate
all people. But it's my friend. No you please, but
my friend. So it's like, oh, you can just be yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
You don't have to give Joe.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
So this is technically my last episode of my first season,
first chapter of the Edgie Martinez.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I all and behind the scenes, people have to clap
if you're.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
There, Yeah, come one, this is.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
The last episode you die.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
This is officially the last conversation of that chapter of
the podcast. And I'm so glad I did that because
remember when I talked to you about this, I was
going to name the whole.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Podcast We're All Gonna Die.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
And then something in the back of my head was like,
do you sure you want to commit to that conversation
all the time with every single guest, And I thought,
maybe not. It is a conversation I want to have
and maybe go back to at some point. But I
feel like I had some great conversations.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
But the start of it was we're all gonna die, see,
And that's the great thing about content creation that in
real time you can build. So you started there and
then you started to have just amazing deep conversations with
people that we need to hear from.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yeah, And it's an entry point. So this is my
final season of this conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
How you feeling.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I feel good.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I feel like I feel like what my intention was
going out was to create a space that people could
feel safe, that we could share ideas and thoughts, and
that conversations that I would want to have and take
away and that every episode. This is like the bottom
line for me, that every episode I feel like leave
something for someone to take and use in their life,
(02:07):
and not just the Instagram caption, like really like something
just something profound that somebody could take and maybe they
do it, maybe they don't, but it's my goal to
at least I feel like every episode I took something away,
so I hope and from some of the reaction, I
feel like it's been doing that, which so I feel
good about that. I feel proud. I feel like I'm
making some business mistakes, which we can talk about all
(02:28):
the time, but I feel good about the conversations. I
feel like Lauren. And when I posted the Lauren London interview,
I said this interview will stay with me forever. I
one hundred percent meant that sitting across from her and
watching she took it there. She took it there. But
she did the work to like to take the worst
type of situation and make the best of her life
(02:49):
for her and for her kids. And she's just dope
and smart, and she has so much to offer, and
she just hadn't really, you know, had an extensive conversation
like that.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
So I was so grateful that, you know, that we
had that I took.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
If I feel like I took something away, I feel
like somebody watching has gotta have taken something away.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Listen, she gave it up on there.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Actually, it's what she was talking about with loss and
just the transformation that you go through. Like I'm afraid
I'm afraid of a little bit of that. What do
you mean I'm scared of I'm scared of that. I
heard somebody say you're not a man until your dad
dies and while that fucked me up, like what the
(03:32):
fuck are you talking about, it was like, oh, wait,
maybe there's something to that, and that is frightening.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
That's frightening to me. I can't even imagine that.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, she did say she didn't say this verbadi, but
through some of the lines that she was talking about Nipsey,
she was basically explaining to me how her relationship with
Nipsey is continued after he's not here physically, and it
made me feel like there is relationship to have still
after somebody is not physically here.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I agree with that, which to.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Me gave me some kind of comfort in like, your
relationship is not over with someone who's no longer here,
So you know, one day, hopefully many many years from now,
when your dad is not here.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
There's still a relationship to be at.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
There's still a relationship, not just the one you've had
in the past, but a continuous one because he will
still shape and form who you will forever be.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
And to not acknowledge that would be selfish, Yeah on
my part, where it's like, oh my god, he's not
here with me in the physical right here, in this moment. Yeah,
but no, they aught to here with you all the time.
You can speak to him whatever you want, like it's true.
And Forloren right, like we all love Nipsey based on
our ten years that we got. Yeah, some people didn't
(04:54):
get ten years with him, but the music and what
we've seen. Imagine seeing him day to day, Like, imagine
how you fall in love with that human and then
lose them.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
She has a weird thing about death too, like you,
I know, you said this to me one time, that
you think about death every day, every day, every day.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
She went to before years before Nipsey passed, because she
had a lot of trauma in her life. Early in
her life, she went to like a death seminar.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I didn't even know that there were death seminars.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I had no idea either, So she was prepared. When
Nipsey died. She had the verbiage, the language, and how
to break that news to her kids because she had
been to a death seminar and she learned about transition,
and she learned about the words and what happens. And
it's just fascinating that that even exists.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That I'm going to google death.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I thought it was fascinating anyway. So I got a
lot from her for that. I got the other thing
I'll say from the Lauren one was she taught We
talked about relationships and she was saying that she thinks
most relationships are ego driven.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
That that made me feel like that'ud be something that
you can relate to.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Its right, I agree with that. A lot of this
ship is ego driven.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Like for me, nothing at everything and everybody, none of
it matters. Like we are so insignificant in the grand
scheme of the earth, right, Like what is our true
That's what I think about a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
What is our true role? Not who what we think
our role is when we're not here?
Speaker 4 (06:36):
How do we find out? How do we know?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I do think there's a way that you find out,
and you know, let's that's when you find like, there's
that moment in your life when you find true purpose
and whether that come from triallenge, tribulation, loss, whether it
comes from success, whether it comes from someone else telling you,
there is a moment I think where you figure out
what your purpose is here and even if you're wrong,
(07:03):
and what that will result to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
but there'll be a moment where you just know. I
was just saying this to somebody like I feel like
not to get more of it here. I feel like
there are clues in your life that tell you about
your death. And the example I used it and that
(07:26):
was Kobe Bryant, Kobe Bean Bryant and people my co
host told me to shut up because they were about
to cry, so I can't get real deep with them.
But Kobe Bryant is synonymous with work ethic. He's the
hardest working basketball player that we have ever seen. Black Mamba,
the dedication, the stories of him making his teammates take
(07:47):
the Kobe Bryant sneakers off because they didn't perform well.
Everybody has a Kobe story about just how hard he
practiced and just that for your mental to be there,
that is soon impressive, right, and then you go to
his death. I'm getting in the helicopter with my loved
(08:08):
ones and my daughter to go do what we've been doing,
which is watch a basketball game. And now this plant,
this helicopter is going down, and now you have to
hold your daughter knowing what's to come. And we know
what happened there. But man, you're now strong. That man
has to be that man has to be the strongest,
(08:31):
that he's ever been, And that's gonna take a life
of hard work, dedication, preparation. All those things that he
thought he was doing for basketball wasn't for basketball. Oh
wasn't for basketball at all.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
That's gonna make me cry.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Why would you do that?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
You need it and that's what they said, But that's
who you need it to be in that moment for
your child. Like there's clues. I feel like so.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
My whole life, I walk around like looking for the clues,
like what are they given me?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Have you figured any out?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong because I'm
just clumsy.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Oh God, no, please changes.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I'm clumsy. I feel like you're not going to have
that whatever happens with him like that is a real
Joe way. I hope I'm wrong about that.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
You see that? Is this a theory that you based
just on that one situation? No one more example, just
so I can because it is you just I need
I need more. I need more of that to understand
wrap my brain around.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I really feel like you could do this with anybody
that has died if you just know enough. X died
have made that overdose. He took something, but when it
was that final overdose. They tried to keep them, they
tried to plug them up, waited out. But I mean,
my life has been littered with this, and now in
(10:04):
the final moment, everyone that loves me is showing up.
They're outside of the hospital, they're wrapped around the block.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
It's parades. But it's like this was my life, Like
where was this? Then?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I can't speak to it because maybe it was there,
But in the final stages, you look and you're like, damn,
that's always been there.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It's just always existed. It's clues. It's just clues. You
gotta get over whatever, whatever your shit is.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
That's why self improvement is important for me every day
because whatever is existing in me that I don't really
have the discipline to beat, that could be what it
is at the final stages and.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
You're looking at like, damn, if I would have just.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Did this different, or if I would have just if
somebody would have like, I don't want my last my
last moments to be to be like that.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's so funny because as we're like, I'm reflecting on
the past couple of episodes, and I was talking to
I did marry in my second episode and Mary was
talking about she had seen this movie and it was
like these light beings and beans and she that's her
thought of death is that like we are these lights
even here, like what we create? Whatever light, whatever you
whatever your light is, whatever you're doing that you become
(11:22):
that in death, Like you're just without the body, but
you're still Nipsey.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
How did Nipsey die stand up for something? What do
we know about Nipsey? He stood for something at all times.
There's videos of of in a minute he stood on
ship and in my final moment, you're gonna die being you.
You're gonna die be in you.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
So you gotta constantly work on who you are to
make sure that the stars aligned correctly.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I might need like an intermission after.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
This, we'll go right back, right, No, I just never
really thought about that. That's ill, Like that's.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
A so when you look at it like that, right, like,
how could you not think of death every day?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Like doesn't scare you?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
No, it's got to happen, got.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Appen, right, So the thing is my intention about the
death conversation is, yes, we need to talk about that
because it's real, but it's supposed to be about also
then how if we know that that is the inevitable
for all of us, how do we make the most
of this while we're here?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
How do you do that? How do you make the
most out of your life aside from being a disruptor.
I know that's part of your purpose.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
It's important to me.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I know it's import I don't mean to, but I'm
just saying, do you remind yourself that? Do you do
things based on that? Like do you wake up in
the morning and no?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
See?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
And that's the thing when we have in this kind
of what is the meaning of life and death conversation? Yes,
you know me to be a disruptor, you're my friend.
People know me today to be a disruptor. But looking
back at my life, I've always been that. I was
that before I knew that what that was like. I
love talking to my moment. She tells me these just
stories about me. I was fifteen, she took me to psychiatrist.
(13:11):
The guy said, hey, he should be on pills. I
flipped the table over, got the fuck out of there.
You don't tell me what the fuck I need to
be on. And today those conversations are important because I
have a better understanding of.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
What they put in the pills and side effects.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Of the pills and just yeah, hey, I didn't know
in that moment, but you fucking right.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
You should flip that table over.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, and let somebody subscribe, some subscribe some shit to you.
Later on in my life, them Percoset pills, Oh my god,
they almost killed me. Perk thirties. They almost took Joe
out of here.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Couldn't kick it with drawl sweating. I was fucked up.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Later on in life, I learned that, oh, that was
the Sackler family's little plan that they had where they
got signatures from the FDA to this ship and the
got and they just broke all types of laws. And
the hospitals were doing ship.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
And I'm watching that Sackler doc and I said, oh, Ship,
that's my story in the hospital for something and they
just pumping pills in me. And I walk out the
hospital and now a pillhead like, oh, I didn't know
that that's what y'all were doing.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
School, left school, every school, summer school, votag because of
the no I'm just saying, just just disrupting. I had
to get my information a different way than the norm.
Fucking I don't know when the signs say just go right,
I just go left.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Just do it. I do that ship.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
The pill thing is real even so.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Again, I cried watching that.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I haven't watched it.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It's called uh dope sick.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Oh I saw. I didn't see it, but I've.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Seen them pretty sure. I've want so many that I
think that's what it's called. H I cried watching every
episode of that mini series because it was my story
and I just didn't know. And they really got to
it with Hey, the hospital served this up up the dosage,
(15:12):
Hey put this over here, like they really explained all
of that shit. So yeah, it was. That was a
lot for me. And I like crying. Crying is healthy.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I like a good cry.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Crying is healthy.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
It is Oh sometimes I enjoy a good cry.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
We had Tamika was here, So Tamika Mallory was the
third episode, and she talked about it, and it's so
crazy that she had a pill addiction. So I'm watching
her on socials and watching her do the Women's March
and watching her be super strong and a leader and
an activist and she's popping thirty pills a day in
private and couldn't break it, like she couldn't beat it,
(15:48):
and so she had to go to the rehab and
in the middle of like, we're watching her be this
and this is internally what she's got going on.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
And I always wonder about that, what people have going
on internally or in the privacy of their home. Chadwick
Rest in peace of Chadwick. Like nobody had. None of
us had a clue. They were joking about it. Way,
Oh my god, look at ups like, yo, this guy
is showing up.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Through through terminal terminal.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Sickness, Like, wow, that is fucking impressive. You never know
what somebody's going through.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
You think about that a lot to you, Yes, all
the time. Yeah, I get scared sometimes of that. I'll
make a mistake.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I'll judge somebody, or I'll treat somebody away because I
think there's something And then I stop myself because I'm like, oh,
you don't know even if somebody is like a dick.
Sometimes I stop myself because I'm like, something made this.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Person that way, Yeah, so let me.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Not treat them cruel even though they're not showing the
best version of them. Sometimes a lot of times I
do that because you don't know what the help people
what that person could be going through was one hundred
times worse than anything any of us have gone.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I think about that all the time too.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Well, me too, because you could die from you. A
lot of people die from what someone else is going through.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
What do you mean.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
The Boston marathon bomber. Two guys book bags, the busiest
day in Boston. They just dropped book bags, and now
mad people die because of what this person was going through.
What these two people were going through. Every day on
the news, you turned something on and see, oh you
had to lose your life because what that person was
(17:33):
going through is not for me, not for me.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Oh please, this was great adventure from my brain interview. No,
it's not depressing, it's real shit.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I'm going home when I leave here to watch the
Netflix story about the football player who was gay and
he made up a story about his fake girlfriend and
then the media found out about the fair girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Why Princi appeal to you because you like the mechanics
of what make people do things?
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Yes, yeah, that's the most important thing in this world,
is why people do whatever they do and what was
the result when all of this happened, what happened after that?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
That's super intriguing to me. And apparently they fucked his
they fucked him up with all of that, all of
that that was going on. That's yeah, I need to
see that.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I mean watching to it.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Holm a little later on. All right, So back to
my thing. This is my last one. Then I move on.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
By the way, I.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Tell you what my next one is going to be about.
Maybe we could tap into that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
We'll tell me tell me.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, I'm curious what you think about it. This is
my thought. My next group of conversations. I wanted to
be about superpowers.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Right, Oh, great, mushrooms. Great, finally a mushroom pod.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
I'm gonna launch a mushroom pod. No, it's not about mushrooms.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
It's about it's the same thing like it's about purpose really,
but like being able the same way you like the signs,
the cues. I think those are superpowers, like when you
can tap into the thing that's unique about you, Like
I know you always say, like what would jay Z do?
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Right? Take him for an example.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
So what is jay Z's superpower?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Is it because he's a great rapper?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I don't think so, not at all.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Right, So I would love to dissect those type of
things with people. What are those things that make you great?
Separate you?
Speaker 4 (19:32):
How do you use them in the world?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
How do people try to knock you for those How
did you discover them?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Do they change?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Back to what I said earlier about that moment in
life where you find I was saying purpose, But there
comes a time where you realize what your superpower is
and now you live life differently moving forward, like jay
Z's the best rapper in the world to Joe Biden,
but that means nothing in the grand scheme of why
that means and is so amazing. Like the same way
(20:02):
they say that you can't spot CTE in a football
player's brain until after they die. I think certain brains
need to be studied in death to figure out how
it and jay Z's mind, his brain is one of
the brains for me, Yes, Kanye's brain, another's brains out there.
We need to look at that brain when you're dead
(20:23):
and see how because you are.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Brain is what gets the people going. In fact, I
think that's gonna be the slogan on his brain when
we open it up. It's going to be like a
tattoo on his brain. It's like get the people going. Yeah,
I think that like defines him.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I love watching him.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
No, he's fascinating. No, for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Put garbage bags of hoodies and gap. I know you
know the fucking brain. You gotta be the fucking because
as a consumer, I'm so you want me to go
in there rummage through these garbage bags. But it works.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
You're into it.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I wouldn't do it, but you're gonna get this wave
of people to go in there and rummage through garbage
bags searching for their size and create this hype machine
and that will differentiate the Kanye Gap fans from the
Gap fans.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
That's his hashtag. The garbage bag is his hashtag.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I imagine his brain that goes all day like, it
does not rest, it doesn't sleep, It goes all day.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
If he had one wish outside of maybe his mom,
Mom being here rest in peace to his mom, I
think he would wish for his brain to cut off
for just a couple of seconds.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Well, there's people that do that, and that's usually when
people go on drugs or they drink, or they.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Try to mute or quiet the noise a little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, but like a proper way to do it.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, what is your thoughts about speaking of mushrooms as
somebody who was that a good segue? Oh, as somebody
who's had addictions. And but there's people who swear by
microdocing and by shrooms, and and I watched this Will
(22:18):
Smith thing and he was going on and on about
the mushrooms. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
See, I suffered through addiction with the bullshit drugs that
they just put here, like the drugs that were made
available chemical. Yeah, that bullshit. The ship that Will and
these microdose people are talking about, that's the world changing
in front of us. They talking about something called toad
and ayahwashka and just feelings that are really like outer
(22:49):
body experiences. It's been explained to me that one of
them shits, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Really lets you review your entire life and figure out
who you are in those twenty seconds to thirty seconds,
that's how fast it is, and then the high is over.
But damn, that sounds powerful.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I know you're not tempted.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I want to do it, you do.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I want to do that if I If I'm privy
me you thought.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
My fear of that is that, uh, is there anything
messing with you? My brain makes me nervous because what
if I come back and my brain is not the same.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Okay, that doesn't scare you?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
No, really no, because if the brain is like one
of the most powerful tools in the world. So, and
you sound like Neil de gross Tyson. I spoke to
Neil de grass Tyson and he explained to me why
he's never done anything is because the brain is already
the most powerful tool that there is. Why would you
want to alter it?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
See?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I disagree with him. I know he's a genius, but
I disagree. It's so powerful that imagine an alteration of it.
What could it do?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
That's a flawed argument. Is a plane is powerful, but
you could shoot it down. A bear is powerful, but
you could put a tranquilizer in it. So what if
your brain is powerful and you put something in it
that alters how it operates?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
All right?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Does it scare you a little bit?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
No?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I think that this Western colony, this today's, this modern shit,
they want your brain to not be altered. They want
you to only watch TV, only watch the news, and
only know the information that they've given you. And I'm
so glad that I've been a disruptor to where I
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don't have to go through any of that. They have
conspiracy theories that say what happened to all of the
what happened to all of the large bells that were
all over the world in eighteen hundred the Big cracked
the Big Kid, And there's theories that say that they've
been either worried or stolen or destroyed. It was the
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name of the movement that destroyed all the large bells.
And the thinking was because the frequencies that omitted from
these bells did something when matched with your brain that
had some type of healing frequency like it did something else.
So they just got rid of all the bells. See
but I believe in shit like that. Your brain, if
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it's so powerful, if matched with the other right thing,
call it an energy, a vibration frequency. If matched with
something else, who the fuck knows what would happened. They
might start flying around here, That's what I think. They
don't want us to fly.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
We should pot on and do like that would be
the greatest pot of all time.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I've done it before, the silliest thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Didn't see.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It came out. We didn't tell the audience what was going.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
On, but was it like micro Dosa was like, oh please.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I don't know. I don't even know how to spell.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Microh got it.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
But today today, yeah, macro everything. But today I've learned
the micro. Those people have explained to me more about
why it's micro, how it should be done.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I just sad with Mike Tyson. He is an advocate,
he believes, he believes it's like saving He's another one.
Yeah yeah, Mike really, but his wife too. We had
a whole conversation and there's people who love it, swear
by it.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
It's miraculous even that sentence like because I'm old enough,
like Mike Tyson swears by See, that's enough for me.
Mike Tyson, I know his story killing machine, Like and
who the fuck you were scared to bump into Mike Tyson.
If Mike Tyson is saying, hey, I found something that
had done this.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
To me, Yes, then the answer is yes, then the answers.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yes to this. It's not hey, make that illegal, no,
give that to all the mighty Tysons.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Shouldn't be Mike Tyson's of one, I think, but about
his superpowers something? Do you know what yours are?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
By the way, I think I do. When I could
be wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Give me one, give me one of your superower.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
It's foresight. I think that I have the ability. I
think that I that God or high power gives me
visions that come come to the come to light in years.
That's it's just happened too much. It's happened too much
in my life, and it's not coming from me. I'm
not that powerful, but I'll get a picture in my head.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
And it will happen. I remember we used to go
to Full of Stories today.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
I love this joke.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
We used to go anytime you want to come for
every single one of the chapters.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
You can come back from superpowers. Already in my mind,
I have foresight.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I already know what the third chapter is going to be.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, no, this is lit fucking. We used to go
to church.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
It was Christian Love Church in Irvington, New Jersey. Rest
in peace to Pastor Rob he died. But at the church,
my mom became super cool with Pastor Ron because she
would send the audience and say, Wow, that guy is
helping everybody out there.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I wonder what he needs help with, Like I wonder
what he's going through.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Like that's what she is and that speak to your
mom's heart.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, so she starts to form these meetings that take
place after the church, immediately after church, when the pastors
finish helping everybody, we get his ass in there and
it's a very intimate, small circle of maybe eight Mike
Williams came eight, nine people and we just dumped it.
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We just dumped it all out. And I remember going
in there one day broke and they said, oh, where
you coming from. I said, well, I'm coming from looking
at this house in Englewood. The house is X amount
of dollars and I can't afford the house. But God
has always done that to me where he makes he
makes me just see something that later will be in
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the book. So I went to see it and they
all laughed and they smell, that's cute. It wasn't even
a few years later. It's like God, damn, God is fast.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
He smoked that. That happens all the time. The house
for me, no, because it's too cheap. Now, too cheap.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Now you can afford that house.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
And yeah, but that's just how quick he'll do it.
If you are in tune, if your brain is of
a certain frequency, these are just these have become buzzwords
that people use, frequencies and vibes and ship. But if
you are really on a frequency, then you only attract
what's on that frequency.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
So no, I don't hear the niggas you talking about it.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
I do love that about you.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
What do you What do you ask God for most?
What do you pray for?
Speaker 3 (30:12):
All intangible shit? All my prayers normally start with strength, guidance, health, determination, courage, discipline,
like all of those things I ask help for. And
when I finish with all of those things, then I
get into people. Hey, pray for my loved ones, my
loved ones, loved ones, friends, all those people. But it
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starts with YO, thanks for the day, Tell me what
you saw and give me give me the strength to
continue further in your life tomorrow. Who knows what's coming now?
God is my biotherapist.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Where is love and the importance of the equation of
your life or your time here?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Hmm, that's a good question. Where is love? And that
it's high? Love is high? Is it?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
It's high because without love, you dying. Without love, your
dad like, you'll kill yourself, So it has to remain high.
I don't mean romantic love. I wouldn't romantic love. You
mean romantic love.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
That's not high.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
It's not high.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
That part is not really some people, it is.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Some people can't be happy without being in love or
whatever that means for them having a partner.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I like companionship, and I would like to be loved
by whoever that person is. But love as a whole
is just like the important part for me the love
of my children, my parents, my friends, my family. Like
the romantic part, that would be awesome, but I just
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want the rightsion of love, like whatever that is.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
That's enough for me.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Do you think them to be the same, Like do
you look for like in a romantic partner that type
of book, Like how Lauren London was talking about how
like relationships are ego driven and she's like, you should
two people should just feed off each other, inspire each other.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Look for a love that because love is selfless, right,
Like I look for.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
People who.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Their idea of love is compatible with mine, with mine,
Like it's tough to separate people from love, and a
lot of people have that problem where it's just a
very selfish yeah version of love, and that doesn't serve me.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I enjoy watching as your friend. I enjoy watching you
in love, yeah, yes, because you have such a unique
way of doing it.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Like I don't know how to explain it, but like.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
You know, even you and Sin like and before that,
i've seen you, and I've seen you in a few relationships. No,
but you're very kind of like you enjoy the person
and encourage the person, and I almost want to put
the person on display in some in some type of
way like you.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I'm proud.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, yeah, I'm proud of people and whoever they are.
And it's like an unconditional love type of thing. I
know some people say that doesn't exist, but like when
when I love like I love and feel like everybody
should love this, Say why y'all don't love her?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
But even it happens when the relationship's over, I still
I still love the same I love the same, see,
and that's why I don't look at it like a
romantic type of thing like Sin and I sends the
mother my baby, of course, but like after I love
her more in separation. Really, her role is so much
greater than whatever I thought it was with me. Like
what type of.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Selfish that's the ego selfish shit? Again, like this person
is in your life for a grand task. You are insignificant,
Like how she treated me. Oh you called the guy?
They like, what the fuck are we talking about you?
This woman is raising your king along with you some
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of her beliefs, ideologies, teachings. All that shit has to go.
It's a funnel. That's the important shit. I don't care
that we fucking broke up.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I say that to my kids about you know, the
importance of choosing someone, always telling me it's like you,
if you choose bad friends or you choose bad relationships,
it can literally ruin your life. Like it can literally
make the difference between having a good life and a
happy life, even if you're not going to be in
the relationship. Yeah, the mother of your child, like you did,
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you did good.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
I say it every day, you do because I think
about it every day. That's how important it is.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Does it make you sad that the relationship.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Doesn't work, well, No, because our relationship does work.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Oh right, okay, Like I've seen the co parent situation
that didn't work like that.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
The relationship is strength. Our romantic relationship didn't work, But
I mean today I don't know if it was supposed to,
like I'm forty one, she's twenty eight. Like, I just
don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
But our relationship is our souls are they do something
like she understands me and I understand her. Maybe that
doesn't work for romance, but for whatever our purpose is. Yeah, no,
that shit works.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
People fight that, right. I think sometimes the two people
make a child have relationship, they're holding onto something so
seung that you almost could miss the collateral kind of
beauty that comes from us not being together.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, that's the ego, ego and self.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
It's that, Hey, I saw it this way, I think
it should be this way. I I I enough of that?
Enough of that? What why did this really happen? Like
and what's to happen moving forward from here? Like I
see horror stories on the internet of people fucking dragging
their baby daddy, baby mom through the months. There's violence,
it's cursing. This just be a mess. And you just
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be like, well, what about the kid? Like is anybody
putting their ego to the side and thinking about the
kid like sin? And I don't go through any of that, Like,
she's just she's she's great.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I can't. I can't. If I wanted to say a
bad word I couldn't like.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
That's that makes me happy.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, that's so, that's dope.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Anyway, I wish for that for you as your friend,
that you find that again.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I hope, so hope.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
But I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
It'll be a process because of I am who you said,
I am like when I'm in love, I am give her.
I am an acts of service, I am a care take.
I show up like I do it all. So I
mean patience should come with that because you can't be
that way with just the instai or the fucking.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Bart And.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Well, I'm a visual guy.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I like a good visual I think most people.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I always say you like a good hip to.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
That's important for me Visually, I'm a contrast guy. See
I know that about me. If I wake up and
put a yellow.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Shirt on, I might want to wear dark pants like
I like contrast. It's important.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Okay, as long as you know yourself.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I feel like, but she's so good at it that
who knows. Who knows?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
It's not it's just making fun of you. It's just
making a little bit of fun of you.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
It's fine.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Let me ask you some of my traditional things that
we like to ask.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
As we're wrapping up the We're All Gonna Die segment
of the In Real Life podcast shoot, let's run down
some of the things that were asking traditional things well,
because there are some things that I asked it, like
I I think I'd asked everyone in this series. It's
so you know, it's the Steve Jobs thing. If you
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if you knew today was gonna be your last to
day day, would you do what you are doing today?
Would you have woke up and decided to do this today?
Speaker 2 (38:32):
I would have done it earlier. What do you mean
we would have done this at seven am? Oh?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
You would have changed the time. Yeah, so that what
what would you do on your last day? If this
was gonna be your last day?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Whatever I wanted, I would keep it to me, whether
that be rest, sit stationary somewhere, and make the phone
calls I needed to make. I don't think I would
do much. Hm, I don't think I would do much.
It wouldn't be much activity. It would be chilling and
it would be reflection. I think that that's what your
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last moment, so like like it's time to reflect on
the job you've done here.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
That's what I would do when I leave you. I
wouldn't cancel you.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Thanks, thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
You're one of the people that I want to wow, but.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Hang out with me. That's very nice. What do you
think happens when you're not here anymore? What do you
think happens when you die? Have you thought about that? Curious?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
M h.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
I have a lot of theories on this one, honestly,
because right like I believe that we're just dead here,
like just so are physical. That was my other fight
with Neil du Grasse Tyson. It's tough talking to people
that are that smart. It's tough talking. I'm an artsy guy.
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I'm on the unknown side of things.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
So he's like, there's nothing in the world that would
say that resurrection or life after death is a real thing.
Everything says that it would be Like what did he
say before I was born, when you didn't know shit,
you just got here.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
That's how def would be. Oh fuck that, Nil deGrasse Tyson.
I think that we go somewhere. I think our bodies
keep us here, and death we can travel the way
that we weren't meant to travel here. So I don't
know if there's a planet somewhere out there where everybody's
just yelling. I don't know if all of us are stars.
I do believe in ghosts. I don't know if we
all just become like ghosts to stay here and watch
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over our loved ones. I have another theory that is
like kind of multi interstellarish.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Where we're our kids, we are our kids, and everything
is the same. Nobody has kids. We're all just each other.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
And you get here to see yourself through a little bit,
but then you get out of here and now that's you.
Maybe your kid's not your kid. I have a mad
weird just yeah, on on on this. I have another
thing theory that says we get a shot at being
every living thing here at some point, like we'll.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Die, we'll be a ant, we'll be a gold, we'll
be account, we'll be.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
A plant, will be a treatable, and that's the cycle
of so we get a we just get to be everything.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Like I know, I'm figuring all.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Right now, No, you're nothing.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Freaks me out.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
I'm just saying that's that's fascinating to me because this stuff, again,
I truly do believe it's all insignificant.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
All of this means absolutely nothing, So.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
What do you care? About what is the one thing
you have to do before you leave here?
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Uh, the one thing I have to do before I
leave here? Is there one thing? I have to do?
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Many things? Many things?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
No, my first answer was nothing, like this means nothing,
So I mean nothing. Any any answer I gift to
this will be like selfish. I feel like I have
to do this before I die. But I don't think
I have to do ship. I think I need to walk.
I think I need to walk in my purpose. And
if I stay on that path, then whatever I was
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supposed to do we'll get done.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Like bowling, Like if I just roll this ball to
that spot, all the pends will fall, none of it
will matter. That's how I looking like. So I'm not
sure there's any one thing I have to do. Like
I have a bucket list of course, where it's all
what's card.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
We'll like you want to go to Greece? Yeah, like Greee.
All of this ship that just I am excited about it.
I'm excited about my grease trip.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
But who gives.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
It?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Really means nothing at all? So then the one thing,
one thing, one thing, one thing.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
You don't have to It's okay. That was a good answer.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I would. I would want a conversation with.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
My loved ones, just if I tomorrow was it, Yes,
I would just want a conversation with.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Whoever my loved ones are they are left at the time.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
You know what what made me think? You made me
think of just now before my grandparents. My grandparents both
passed a couple of years ago, two years. No, I'm yeah,
I don't know. I'm terrible with time. My grandparents both passed.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Before they died.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I thought I had this thought, and I even had
conversations with people. I was like, I want to do
like a legacy interview video with my grandparents where I
asked them what their challenges were in life, what they're
proud of, Like these conversations.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
Imagine being able.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
To have this conversation with your grandparent, your great grandparents,
whoever the elders are in your family, that you could
then not only have it for yourself when they're gone,
but pass that down to your children that super fly,
so that their legacy is like just a legacy video
forever to have. And I so regret because I said
it a couple of times and I just never got
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it done. And then all of a sudden, they were fine,
and then they weren't, And it happened so fast. Even
sometimes parents or older people that I know in different families,
they're mentally not even there anymore to have those extensive conversations.
If you have elders in your family, what a beautiful
thing to be able to do, not just for yourself,
as like legacy.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
So funny you say that.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
I've had that thought before with my granddad. With my
dad's dad was dying and he was just like the
strongest man that any of us ever knew. But when
he was dying and my aunt I was like yo.
I was in a studio one time. It was like,
I don't have his voice recorded. So I called him
from the booth and he wasn't feeling well, but we
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had a little quick conversation. I put it on the
beginning of a song and that was the end of it.
But to further that, I wanted to do what you
were saying. I wanted to sit him down and kick
it like interview.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
I want to record it, but I didn't because it
was selfish, so I didn't. I just I.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Felt like shit, after ninety years, just have a blast
the way you see, Let me not come shove a
camera in.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Your sure tell me about the time.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
I think what I think people want to be seen.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
I think people part of our legacy is like, you
want your story to be told. I think I think
my grandparents would have loved it. I think I regret not.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
Being able to do that.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Maybe somebody else will get the idea from this and
do it and have that.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
For it, and maybe somebody will do to you.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yeah, when if I'm lucky enough when I'm ninety.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
When I'm ninety, I ain't gonna hold you. Don't send
this camera crew in putting the lights up with the mic.
If I see you niggas at ninety.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
I want you to come to my house because I'm
going to be old Quincy Jones with it. I would
tell every Quincy, oh oh he was.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
He was always a piece of shit. I want to
all that crazy shit.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Quincy talk, Yo, his granddaughters need to let him talk.
Tell us, tell us Quincy's idyl. No Quincy gives it
up and wish to be that.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
I want somebody to carry on my face when I'm
that age.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Anybody that knows the truth, like should just share the
truth before they what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
We should do that.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
I watched some ship on the way here, because I'm
always watching some conspiracy theory. Is one of these little
white kids looks young, but he's like, hey, what if
I told you the Titanic never sank, and that JP
Morgan had another boat called whatever it was called, and
it was a rundown bullshit, the immaculate of some ship,
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and he just taped He wrote the Titanic on that
and sank that for insurance. But if I also told
you all of his biggest competitors were on the Titanic, when.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
It's just like, hey, that's a good fucking plan.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Somebody should have told us the truth before they've done
so we.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Could have that. I think people deserve the truth. Let
Quincy talk.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
We're gonna startup, No for real, maybe Quincy will do
the podcast hours podcast.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Yo, if you talk to Quincy, they're not gonna I'm
not gonna let him talk to anybody.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
No, they don't.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Just want to see the questions first. You can ask
some normal shit. He might give it up. He might
give it up. I I can't wait till you speak
to people about the superpower stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Anybody that you want to see, because I'm just I
booked the couple of tables.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
Besides Quincy, but I booked a couple of people.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
I don't know if we should say.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Yet, but see, I like the older O G type
of people I would want to hear from. Who's the
guy that just lost his wife, Clarence A. Von What's yeah? Like,
I'm like those type of people that are just well
tenured here, been here forever, has seen it's change a
million times. Like And that's the thing about me not
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putting the camera in my grandfather's face, right, because it's
really the lutle things that's important, just like peace and
the team things we take for granted, laughing speaking even this, like,
I am so grateful that I woke up and got
to come here and sit with you and speak to you.
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Nobody else probably thinks that that is as important as
it is to me, because it's the little things.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
I'm on a tangent now but you.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
But that's where I'm at. So help people figure out
their superpowers. I think that might fuck people up, because
who even thinks that they have superpowers?
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Everyone? I think everyone does. This is a great dinner conversation.
By the way, if you're at a dinner with a
group of friends. Like, this is how it came to me.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
I was at a dinner.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
I have a group of friends me okay, like one
other friend that you have, that's a group.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
That's a group. We found a group.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
No, don't do that. You socialize sometimes. You had this
social button happens every now and then if you're at
a social setting and a dinner. I went to a
friend shout out to Emmett and Sheila. I was at
a friend's birthday dinner and Emmitt said, em it was
just it was a conversation at the table like if
you had to say, we're your super And it was
so interesting. I feel like people who had been in
(49:08):
their presence ten twenty times before, Hey, how are you
get to see you in small talk? All of a
sudden at this dinner, I got to know people in
such like a different deeper way when you get to
see how people view themselves. I like one of the
women at the table was like, well, my superpower is
that I I'm kind and that I want the best
(49:30):
for people, and I just and she's a mom of
like four and it made sense when she said it.
But it just makes you see people it's really any
of these, even any of the topics that I make
for the podcast. It's just an entry point. It doesn't
mean the whole conversation. We didn't talk about death the
whole conversation. It's just an entry point to get to
(49:52):
know people in a different type of way.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
It's superpower thing, It's dope.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Superpower is good, right because I think it Really it's telling,
like what you think you're thing is and how you
use it and how you found and what are you about.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
To do with that? Since you believe you have.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
It, Let's see, Yeah, what do you do?
Speaker 4 (50:07):
I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
I think before I do the first episode, I really
have to clearly be able to define mine.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
That's why I didn't ask you thank you.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Because you thought maybe I didn't have it.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
One should be well thought out to where you can
explain it. You have a show about it.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
So you want me to wait till then? Okay, got
I'll wait.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
You want me to tell you one or none?
Speaker 2 (50:24):
Give me one.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
I am extremely empathetic.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Okay, that's a superpower.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
It is because people think they are, but they're really not.
We're judgmental people. People are judgmental people, and I can
be too, but I tend to put myself in other
people all the time. It doesn't always serve me. It
doesn't always serve me. Sometimes it's exhausting. But it is
a superpower. That depends how I use it.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
That's training, Yeah, but how do you use it?
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Then if you use it for good and then it's
a good thing.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Are you using it for good?
Speaker 4 (51:01):
I try?
Speaker 3 (51:02):
No, you're great. I'm just trying to spice it up.
But nobody thinks it. Angie's not using it for good?
Speaker 4 (51:07):
No, I try.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
It not perfect. I do dumb shit like everybody else,
But I try. But I will have that thoroughly thought
out by the time we have the first episode of
that of that chapter well, and I'll have you back
on from another chapter.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
If I'm blessed enough to come back. I would love
that awesome, and I'll.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
Probably have figured out more super powers.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Thank you, my love, Thank.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
You, Joe.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Let everybody, everybody's fla, everybody's gonna flat.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Got it feel better when we all do it right.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
It was good
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Angie Martinez
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