September 22, 2025 • 36 mins
Before she was nominated for an Emmy, a Tony, and a Golden Globe, Mireille Enos got her SAG card on Sex and the City. She had one line, but it was the start of a fabulous career. She joins Kristin to analyze her performance! Charlotte’s brother slept with Samantha and Kristin and Mireille have THOUGHTS!
Plus, the current real-time connection between Mireille’s very famous husband and Carrie Bradshaw.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hello, We're back with are you a Charlotte? We have
a fantastic guest today.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
My name is me Ray.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
You knows. I think you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Will recognize her. The fact that she was actually on
Sex and the.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
City is crazy million years ago.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah, it's so special.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And amazing, and you know, it's fun for me because
when they told me that you because they went they
looked at all the list of the names of everyone
who was in the show and they were like me,
Ray Knows. I was like, I guess, I mean for me,
I wasn't in that scene, right, No, yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Valerie Harper, justin Thurrau. I mean, it was such an
incredible scene to be a part of. And this was
actually a big moment in my life. So I had
recently moved to New York. I was like waiting tables
and being an art model and hustling, and I had
recently there was an agent named Jim Flynn who I
hadn't even met. Jim, I had met his assistant who
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had come to see a showcase and had he had
recently been given permission to sign for like actors for
commercials or like three and rounder lines whatever. And so
the first audition he sent me out on was this
no Yes sax in the City, one line Wow, And
I booked it and it was my first paying job
in New York City. But I had to pay my
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SAG dues before I could walk on set. I had
three dollars in my bank account, so I was asking
my parents to wire me the money and all this stuff.
And so all day long, this little newbie agent was
like on the phone, and Jim finally was like, what
the heck is going on? Who is this person? So
this one line was my first paying job in New York,
(01:47):
got me my SAG card, and then ultimately Jim Flynn
signed me and he was my agent for all the
years I was in New York.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Oh that's so nice. That's a nice story.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Can I say that everything about it? Of course, you
know what was going on in your life, that's so interesting.
But when you look at yourself in that scene, you
only have one line, but you're amazing.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh you're sweet, thank you, And here you are with
all these people, like it's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, incredible people. And how was like even with all
this background going on. How was the experience it was?
It was I.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Remembered it being a very happy day that everyone was
kind and they were all just like you know, actors
right in there and telling a story and having some fun,
right and of course you know, I mean second, the
city is so iconic and the storytelling is so wonderful.
And this episode, I mean, I've seen so many episodes
from all the seasons, but this episode I just rewatched.
(02:40):
It really stands up. It was a really awesome episode.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
It's super interesting, it really is. Yeah, I didn't even
really remember it. Yeah, like I remember the Valerie Harper
was on the show. We were so excited because all
of us grew up of course with Mary Tyler Moore
and Rhoda for all of you youngsters, and fantastic kind
of one of the I mean not original. I guess
Lucille Ball would be the first female Jordans and she
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was really and pivotal in terms of young women and
she was a career woman.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Mary Tyler Moore and Rhode was her best friend.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So it was in some ways kind of almost a
blueprint for sex and the city in a certain way
at a different time. Right, So it meant so much
to us to get Valerie Harper. I remember being so
excited about that and kind of like starstruck and didn't
know what to say. Sir Jesco was so excited, which
I feel like you can see in those.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Totally their scenes together are so wonderful.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
They're really good. They're really good. And then we have
justin Throw for the second time, which is kind of
hysterical because this is the second season and I had vaguely,
vaguely remembered that, but I'm not working with him, right,
but I know him.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
He's such a.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Lovely guy, and I had completely forgotten about their rather
embarrassing storyline. Yes, I just remembered that he was on
the show, right, and the Valerie Harper's on the show,
And then when I actually watched what they're talking about, hilarious.
It's hilarious but also like so real. Yes, I mean
played for laughs, but yet still so real. All right,
(04:06):
So let's get back to a little bit of details.
So this episode is called Shortcomings, which is you know, yeah, perfect,
oh god, And it was directed by Daniel Algrandt, who's
a really interesting director and I honestly can't remember if
he came back or not. He had done a movie
in indie I think it's called is it called Naked
in New York. I should have asked you guys this
before we started get the producers to look it up.
(04:29):
He had, You know, there was a time when we
would get like indie film directors, especially first season, and
he was kind of a second season version of that.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeh.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Then also, we're at this point getting a lot of
sopranos directors in the loop, so I kind of got
this interesting mix going on.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yes, Naked in New York.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
That was his indie film in the nineties, So I
feel like, you know, people like have a kind of
an indie hit back in the day when you could
have an indie hit, and then they're kind of like
the hot ticket.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
This was Daniel Algrand and he was very sweet.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And this is written by Terry Minsky, which is also
interesting because Terry Minsky wrote in the first season, yet
was not on the set with us. And I think
by the time you came and I don't know if
you would remember this, we had Cindy Schupack and Jenny
Bicks were our supervising producer slash writers, right, so they
were around a lot, right, I mean, I probably saw
it's such a blur. Of course, of course, so this
(05:18):
is my Mewray story. So I did not remember that.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
You were on our show.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
So when my producer said, I was like, well, but
definitely call her. What on earth did she play? Because
I don't remember. But you know, when you're not there
with other people, you don't always know what's going on
the storyline.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
That's plus, you met a lot of people over the
course of all those and.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
We didn't sleep. But the reason that it was interesting
to me is that when your show The Killing came on,
I remember watching the opening sequence. You're running in that
fisherman sweater. I believe you're in Vancouver, on the edge
of Stanley Park. That's a place we all know, all
actors know. And I was like, I love her, and
she seems so familiar, that was my thought. And I
(06:00):
watched that you were so yeah, but you're very unique,
you know, and so specific. And when I see you
in that scene because of course I'm waiting with baited
Bread the whole episode where she wears and then finally
you show up, and you're just so interesting and so present.
And to think that that was your first job, my
first job in New artible incredible, your first job in
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New York City. I love that so much. And that's
the joy of being on a show for a while.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It's getting to see the talent that they were able
to find and pull.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well, especially a show cast in New York, which just
feels like such a tight community of actors, and you
see people that are on stage and then they're shooting
an episode of a show and you see the same
thing in Only Murders in the building. You have all
of these wonderful New York actors that get pulled to
do Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it feels really.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
It's so great, so great. So now I'm going to
talk about our other connection. Okay, So, sir, Jessica is
married to Matthew Brodrics. Matthew Broderick was in a movie
with your husband way back when we were young.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, I mean I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, I was of the age to be completely obsessed
with Ferriz Fueller Farrispuelller's Day Off. I hope all of
you have seen this, but if you haven't, you must
immediately go watch. It is a classic. And the joy
is that they're currently in Vancouver working.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yes, forty years later Alan Rock Matthew Broderick, who originally
met doing a Broadway play LuxI Blues.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
No, I've forgotten that part.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yes, they saw, Yes, it was so incredible.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So they were already friends, yes, And so then Matthew
got Ferrispueler and then Allan was called in and of
course they got cast together. And so they were already
friends when they shot that film. And I feel like
you can really feel that in the chemistry and the
the you know, the scene where Alan is on the
(07:59):
phone and he's pretending to be so that was a joke.
The voice that he does, that was a joke to
crack Matthew up because he was doing an imitation of
Gene Sacks, who had directed BLUCKSI Blas. That's a little insider.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
That's amazing. Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
And so they've stayed pals all these years. Forty years wow,
And right now they're shooting a movie called The Best
Is Yet to Come and it's about lifelong male friendship.
And it's just like Alan is having the time of the.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yea the last time Matthew was in Vancouver. And this
is why Sarah Jessica told me about it. He and
I were filming a Christmas movie together in like one
hundred degree we know, August, and he was in a
hole tizzy about where to stay. You know, it's always
an issue right when you go on location. Where to stay?
Where to stay? Where to stay? And Sir Jessica was like,
where did you say? Where did he stay last time?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Remind me? And so week we had to talk it
through it. It really made me.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Laugh that number one, I love the interconnectedness of all
of us over time, and number.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Two, the HBO of it all is hysterical.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I mean, like to watch Ellen, I mean throughout his career, Spencity,
so many amazing things, but the succession.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Succession, I mean yeah, I know, special experience, Yeah, I
mean yeah. And he plays such a hard character. But
you loved him, yes, you love him. And he's also
kind of a sociopath. He's a dumb dumb and also
like heartbreaking all the things. That's very hard. It's very hard,
very very hard.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
He's amazing, he is.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I love to have you on and I love all
the connections.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
It's always a joy to uh, you know, like the
Kevin Bacon six degrees of it's very it's very everyone's
very connected, and that is I think one of the
joys of our of our job.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Well, when you're in a career for like a long time,
that that just happens. You know, people's paths cross and
you work with each other's spouses and yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It's a joy. It's a joy. All right. Let's break
down this episode a little bit, because sometimes it's just
fun to chat. Yeah, I rewatch, but it was very
entertaining for me also to rewatch because sometimes I have
a lot, a lot of memories more behind the scenes,
you know, what was going on that day, and then
sometimes I really remember the plot and sometimes I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, well that was early too two.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It's true, and.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
In my mind I thought that we had just to
throw in season one, which is he also plays a writer,
which is so weird.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
What was going on with us?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, she got cast again, Yes, as a writer.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Though we shaved his hair. That was like, oh, just.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Put some glasses on him.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Now he's a different persons exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
He's a different person, but he's adorable as both.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
He plays a.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Slightly unlikable writer in each which is also interesting, you know,
it is interesting. Like the first one, he's like super
slick and he's just gotten like invited to parties and stuff.
And she also gives the writer advice as someone who's
a writer. Carry is obviously a writer, writer in the
you know, thick of it in terms of Manhattan night life.
(11:02):
And then this one she's giving him advice. He says,
I'm going to be in GQ. It's almost like the
same part but different. It's interesting and it's the kind
of thing and I, you know, certainly don't want to
dwell on this, but we just did, you know, and
just like that, and people got very obsessed with every
little detail, very upset about every little detail. I'm like,
back in the day, all kinds of stuff went on,
(11:23):
that's right.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You know, no one said anything. I don't know if
anyone noticed.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Probably not. I think I think we're in a new
moment of people wanting to like be in on every
single detail and wanting to have an opinion and.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yes and say their opinion and yeah, and they have
a way to say it.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yes we did for yeah, there wasn't.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I think this would have been the year two thousand.
Do you think that's right? I think that's right, right,
Which is I mean it seems like another lifetime ago.
Things were so different.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I was in my twenties.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Oh my god, yeah, adorable, Like you're in your team,
I do.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I have such a babyface. Actually in your hair. I
had forgotten what I looked like in it, and rewatched.
I was like, oh my god, I look seventeen.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You really do. But beautiful, so beautiful, and you seem
sophisticated because you're sitting there with those people who are
all like very New York and yeah, you know type thing.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Anyway, back to the show. Back to the show. So
this is a to me kind of a departure of
a show. Yeah, Like there are certain things about it, like,
for instance, the coffee shop. For some reason, we're all
plastered next to each other.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Did you notice this? Yes, our shoulders are literally.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Like going on, I don't know. And then there's like
a walk and talk where we're also like they're they're
like like, anyway, that was interesting. I mean we're kind
of finding our way in certain certain ways. And I
think also in different directors would come, we were more
affected by them and later on, yeah, you know, later
on we just be like, no, this is this is.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
What we're doing. You had found your your own rhythm.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And you're kind of confident, yes, within that. But it's
also I found it especially in the coffee shop scene
because now we do have our coffee shop set.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
In the beginning, we didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
We're like out about in different places, right, so it's
funny in the coffee shop, but we're like peppy, you
know what I'm saying. That like really like energized repartee
is in full force, which I really enjoyed. Yeah, it
was nice to see we seem happy, which I'm sure
we were exhausted, but you know it has a lot
of energy.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Right, and it seems like you guys really enjoy each other.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
And yeah, yeah, I know Sara Jessica seems super bubbly.
And also I think it's very hot when I look
at that what I remember, you know, there's like the
very hot summers and then they not so hot summers,
like medium. Her hair is like its natural self, you know,
and she's just radiant, and I feel like we were
all hot.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
But it was great, you know, it was a fun,
fun hot I love that moment she bangs on the
glass since I know.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It's a classic. It's a classic.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
See that also snuck up on me because I think
the way social media is now, you see these little
snippets and you're like, yes, of course I remember that
that was at the height. No, it's and I think
that the theme of this episode, which is family is
difficult and family is also your chosen who, which I
(14:16):
love so much, And I had no idea that we
had that theme really explicitly in there so early.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, like, that's kind of amazing.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Well, and each of your individual storylines are I mean,
you have your brother obviously, who is your real family,
which is so strange. But there's also like the other
women are like in these little transitional mind it's not
people that are going to stay, which just like shines
light on how special the four of you are.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
That's true, absolutely absolutely. Because my brother we never see
or hear from him again, including my two weddings. I'm
really sorry.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I'm really sorry.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
He works a lot. He was on Ozark. He played
it an evil, evil lawyer.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
It's like, oh, there's my brother, my.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Brother exactly. I mean, now that i'm rewatching, I'm trying
to glom on any little details and to have my
brother there in his like preppy shorts.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
It's very interesting. We did have an episode.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Before where I talk about how in my waspy family
we don't talk about feelings.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
We play tennis, which is kind of funny because.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
We've had a tennis storyline for Charlotte, like literally for
thirty years, you know. So the brother comes, we'll just
do this really quick because the brother's so weird, Like
we never see any of Charlotte's other relatives, no parents, nothing, right,
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it's bizarre, bizarre. So the brother comes. He is getting
divorced from his wife, and I tell you guys that
he's coming to visit because he's getting to divorce. Yes,
And everyone makes fun of me. I tell you guys,
like you're in the scene, you're one of us now.
And everyone makes fun of Wesley and Leslie, which is
also like so preppy and funny, right, and very fine
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to make fun of. But of course Charlotte really is
tired of getting made fun of at this point, jurning me,
and so I make all kinds of faces at them,
which is also funny. And then so and weirdly, I
guess not weirdly, you know, Charlotte's very pro marriage as
we know.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
As we know, and yeah, she really is committed to
them getting back together, right, So, and she.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Keeps kind of slightly irritatingly asking him like did you
talk to Leslie? Did you talk to Leslie?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
How's Lesly?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
And he's like no, And then I do kind of
love in the end, and this is what I do.
I just synoped down when he says, you know, I
believe he says I hadn't got late or whatever, which
is a bit weird of a way to talk about
your wife, but whatever in two years. And then Charlotte
looks kind of horrified, yes, which is interesting, and then
I'm like, oh, okay, I understand. So he so basically
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what happens is that Samantha sleeps with my brother, which
clearly Charlotte knows it's going to happen, which is why
I don't invite Samantha. But then Carrie brings some.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Merings her and you're horrified that she's there, and.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Like awkward, like awkward and interesting. And also sometimes when
I watch it, I can tell, you know, there's occasionally
scenes with the three of them without me. I can
tell that I'm like a newer friend, and there is
a scene when we flash back to the eighties and
all of them are together, and I'm because they hadn't
met me yet. But we never explained that either. It's interesting,
(17:28):
but I can feel that when I watch this episode
because I pull carry over and I'm like, a, yeah, She's.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Like that's Samantha our friends, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Which is that's really funny and interesting.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
But I did and then I mean my producers when
they watched it, they were like, oh, you shouted her
really harshly. The thing that I thought was so interesting
about it, I mean, for Charlotte, it is harsh to
say that, you know, she should be on like, you know,
a guide book of New York because her you know,
station is always open, so to speak that it is
of course a harsh thing for Charlotte to say. Yeah.
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The thing that I find interesting is the way Samantha
talks about sex and herself. I mean not in a
derogatory way, but just in a very free way. It's
interesting that then she would take offense to me, yes,
saying that, But then I guess that also is kind
of true, like sometimes if.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
You say something about yourself, yes, you can talk about
yourself in ways that you don't want other people to
talk about you. And what seemed to be true in
that scene is that where Samantha is very comfortable talking
about sex in that way Charlotte, it felt like new
ground for Charlotte to be so direct to her friend,
you know, and so that that felt like that was.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Where those definitely definitely I would never say anything like
that right my girlfriends, and I saw something recently about
I do feel like one of the joys of when
I compare things now to things back then is that
female friendship, I feel like is much more honored and
kind of discussed and you know, prioritized now as opposed
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to back then. Back then, they say like, how did
you know you guys spend so much time together and
stuff like that, which, of course, obviously yes, obviously they
were young and somehow had a lot of time spending to.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Get through which people do.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I mean, I remember spending a lot of time with
my girlfriends in my thirties. But I also think that
now people talk about it and talk about how important
it is, and that you know, like to nurture friendships,
you know, through your life and through the different phases
of your life is so important, and I think that's
so incredibly true. And I also think it's so incredibly
risky to say something to your girlfriend sure that you
(19:36):
know they wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Like, and that can be the end of a friendship.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
It really could.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Depending on who you say that to, that could be
like game over.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I know, which is so sad, I know, But I
also think it's so interesting because I think that women,
you know, have to kind of like I think, on
the one hand, there's this kind of perception of like, oh, yes,
women just hang out in groups, you know, like it's
like kind of silly or whatever, but then in reality,
we all know that it's not really that easy.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yes, it can be tricky wrighting out with women, and
then you find your women who are like your people, right,
and then it's like those are the most supportive, wonderful.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Relationships, absolutely and so important.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
But female relationships can be really tricky.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Right, And I think it's because it's not I don't
think it's something for my generation at least that was
kind of like worked on or encouraged, like you weren't
really taught how to be friends. I mean, like it
does come easy when you're young, but then I think
as you go through the different stages, it's not so easy.
And certainly as an actor, I know that one of
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the joys of getting the show was that there were
a bunch of women in around that you could that
you knew, Okay, we're all in this together, rather than
being the wife or the girlfriend or like you might
see another woman after.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
But you'd be like, oh, there they go.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
You know, you might not get a scene with them, right,
I mean, have you found that in your career?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah? I spent a lot of time with guys, right,
because you cops and like, I'm serious people. I know,
I get cast as like little toughies, which is so funny,
it's so silly, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I'm envious, though, I'm very envious.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
It's fun getting to do I mean for everyone. Obviously
getting to do a balance of things is obviously of course,
you know, but yeah, I've gotten cast in lots of
movies where it's like a bunch of tough dudes. I mean,
and I'm like, they're great, you know, they're but also
like it does feel lonely sometimes to be like, oh where.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Are my Yeah, yeah, I think it's really lonely. I mean,
I love to be on the set with all the girls. Yeah,
oh I.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Love nothing more. Yeah, nothing more.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I mean, the guys are fun, but like it's comfy
to have the girls. Yeah, it's definitely comfy. That's yeah.
It's one of the best best parts of this whole, whole, whole, long, long,
long term job that I've had. I love it so much.
And that's really why I never wanted to end, you know,
because it's hard to find that.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
It is very hard to find those special groups. Yeah,
so you stay friends with whatever, and that's.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
The joy, is it? Like with Matthew and your husband, Allan,
they you know, it's amazing to get to meet someone
so early in your career and stay friends and get
to work together again. That is just the best. Yeah. Anyway, Okay,
let's go back to the show. Okay, this makes me laugh.
I do not remember the storyline of Miranda, not for
one second watching it fresh. In the storyline, she is
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at the gym, which is also kind of funny to me.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I'm like, yeah, do we see her at the gym?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
No, not really, So so Miranda is interestingly at a
very popular and busy New York City gym, and she's
there on the weekend, which is apparently kids weekend. I've
never gone to a gym.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
And had children running around, no way, I mean, very interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I would have to ask Terry Minsky who wrote this,
like if this was based on something, because that was
a rule that they had they had had to read. Yeah,
so I guess I guess there were some gyms this
was happy. I didn't go to those gyms either. So
there's like children running amok okay basically at this gym.
So then she's all kind of rolling her eyes in
her Miranda way. She looks adorable, you know, like it's
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just so cute, early Miranda. And then she gets in
the elevator and there's this very handsome dad there with
a kid who wants to push the buttons of the elevator.
We've all been there, yes, I have a seven year old.
I mean it's a situation. And I felt so kind
of seen on the one hand by the storyline, but
also embarrassed because I have been the parents saying please,
don't don't.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Touch the butt, could you let Yeah? And then of
course they touched. Sofying.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
What is that about with children?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It's so interesting, so interesting. So anyway that the dad
asks Miranda not to push the buttons, and the kid
then pushes all the buttons and then the dad apologize
and the dad, it's very adorable, and does find a
way to mention that he's divorced, which I thought was
really smooth on his part.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yes, and then you can.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
See Miranda kind of look at him twice like oh interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So then he asks her.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
She gets out of the elevator and he asks her
to come back in and she does, which is so cute, adorable,
very cute, very New York kind of a thing.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
But the kid.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I felt for the kid because literally, this man is
seems relatively newly divorced. We don't hear his whole story.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
But you can feel that he's still figuring out what
that looks like and how to do it right.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
And I mean sometimes as the episode went on, I wondered, like,
where is this mother because apparently she's just not around
because he's got this kid a lot. But also as
a single mom, I also really relate. Now I have
never taken my children with me on a date because
I never really would. No, I mean, it is like
a park later, right, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah, like months later if it's going well, right, you know, right, yeah,
on the first date, stroll in the park.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
With the kid, with the kid, I know, yeah, I know,
But I I also feel this is probably not nice
where I'm going to say, But sometimes I feel like
dads are clueless. Maybe that's true, Like I see dad's
at the park sometimes, but sometimes I'm just like, what
is this dad doing?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Like can a mom tell the dad, like, don't let
the kid do that?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I have some anxiety for the dad.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yes, well, case in point. I mean, the boy clabbers
Miranda over the head with a branch and then isn't disciplined.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
No, no, I know it.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Dad doesn't seem no to know what to do.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yeah, well, Miranda, I know it.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
She gets clabbed, I know, with a pretty big stick
in Central Park and that's before he hands are a worm.
I believe. Yes, I mean there's a lot going on, yes,
and Miranda hangs in there, which is also kind of interesting.
But I also feel like it's like early Miranda is different.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
She's sweet.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I mean, she has her cover, but she's also got
like a sweetness.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yes she does.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
It's adorable, But this guy does seem kind of clueless,
you know, dad, but he's really cute. And at a
certain point they do cut to them in bed and
they look very happy.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yes, it seems like.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Right, yeah, so I guess maybe that's what she's doing.
I don't know, but this also cracked me up. When
after we first meet the guy whose name I can't
remember because he's not going to be around long so
we don't have to use his name, they cut to
us at the coffee shop and Miranda is talking about
how his name is Roger, and Miranda's talking about because
he's divorced, he seems use. Isn't that a weird thing?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
It's a weird thing to say, No, that's true. I
thought that conversation was. Yeah, it was a little funny,
it was a little odd.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It's dated. It didn't hold so much dated.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
No, it is. We would never say that now, absolutely,
Not just because somebody has been married. I mean you
could also say that anyone who has been in a
long term relationship.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Okay, it's fine with me.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
That anyone's been in a long term relationship is used. Right,
It's not.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
No, it's horrible and insane, right, there'd be no one left.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
That's right, because everybody comes with the context yes, right, yes,
unless you're eighteen.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Years old, like right, and who would want to be
doing that?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So yeah, I really was like when when they because
they kind of smashed cut into her, going like it's
like he's used, and I thought, what is she talking about?
Like I had to really catch up a minute, like
we would. I don't think we'd ever say that now,
No way, no way, right, yeah, like you'd just be
very out of touch if you said that. That's right. Yeah,
that was interesting.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That whole conversation was interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
But this is why I like to rewatch, because some
things you're like, oh, whoa, and then sometimes you're like,
that's that's so true. Yeah yeah, And I do think
trying to to juggle children and dating is of course
universal and will probably continue for all of the time.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
And it's a real thing. I mean, this guy's just
not very good at it.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
And also I feel bad for this kid because he
seems like he's really suffering that he he seems jealous of.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
That conversation that right, yeah right, I mean maybe there's
a clue in the fact that this guy says I'm
the anomaly. Actually, I just like to be married and yeah, right,
and so maybe he's just like actually trying to slot
Miranda into this family dynamic faster than race.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I didn't think of that, Yeah, because that is really
odd that he says that. And I mean, I just
found myself wondering, like, what is this dude's backstory, what happened,
what happened.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
To the marriage, where's the wife, what's going on? Where's
ex wife? How long have you been divorced?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I wanted to know more about him than I normally
want to know about our art, like one pole.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Also, we have quite gotten there, but his reaction in
the next scenes where the boy, I don't know if
you want to do recare for it.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Because I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
So it's after you know, she spent the night and
Miranda's having a pee and the little boy starts to
come in the bathroom and of course she goes to
close the door and he gets his head bonked, and
then there's like a real overreaction I feel like on
the dad's Yeah, and basically Miranda just gets like shown
(29:15):
the door.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Right, Yeah, he says please leave. He says it a
couple of times. This is one thing I do remember
of that episode is that there was a lot of
discussion about his wound. The kids would because when you
(29:37):
see it, it's bloody. Why did that door make that blood?
I don't know, you know, And I'm saying like it's mysterious, yes,
And I remember there being a fair amount I don't
know at that point in time of our production, like
how sophisticated our stuff was, Duran whenever you have somebody
get bumped or get banged or anything like that, because
we don't see him, we just hear it, right, and
(29:58):
then cut to there's yeah, you know, which is strange.
But I also felt like if we did know more
about the dad, I mean, I've certainly overreacted before.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Well yeah, of course I have two kids. I've definitely overreacted, right.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
But it's also weird how like the kid kind of
looks at her over the show like there's something kind
of going on where you're like, he just wanted her
to go.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Because Miranda, I know, I'm poor the kid, I'm poor
the kid, everybody for everybody.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, And it's kind of sad because then we really
don't hear that much.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
It's just gone, But you know, good that she tried,
I guess, but also that's like another show. I feel
like that is his own show.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I wonder how which which season does Miranda get her
own child. That's not it's for a while, it's a while,
But I feel like that was a little like just
early Crumb.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Because I was thinking the same thing when I was
watching it, because I do know at a certain point
season three is when I meet Kyle and get married
and then start to try to get pregnant, and then
she gets pregnant by mistake. So it's not that long.
It's because we're almost at the end of two. But
I don't know because this is Terry Minsky's script and
she wasn't with us all the time, and it was
definitely like a long term plan that Michael had that
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both Miranda and Charlotte would get pregnant at the same time.
That was the original plan. Okay, it didn't work out
because then Michael decided, probably rightly so, that because all
of our female writers were single, and none of our
guy writers, who I think there were two of them
at that time, no one had children, so they were
having to mine their friends' stories and they didn't have
(31:33):
enough to have two sets of stories because they wanted
them to be contrasting stories which would be interesting but
not as interesting as Charlotte not being able to and
Miranda accidentally and then being unsure and all.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Of the No, It's part of what I just love
about the show is that if each of these women's
expectations of what their life is going to be gets
flipped on its head, yep, and so they're having to
manage like their own expectations of what their life has become. Yeah,
it's powerful.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
It is powerful and so true to life. You know,
someone asked me yesterday, I don't know if you get
questions like this. You're not as old as I am,
but people love to ask you about eighteen right. You know,
how how are you looking at aging? How do you
how do you feel? How old do you feel inside?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
You know?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
All the questions right, And I mean I.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Feel very young inside. I feel like forty maybe, or it's.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Hard about the number, right, you know whatever. Some days,
like my husband, who I won't say his name, but
like he's like when he looks at his own age,
his eyes get real big and he's like, how is
it literally possible? I still feel eighteen?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Right, Oh, I don't know. I don't personally know how
it's possible.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
For me either. I mean you have to look sometimes
at your driver's license to be like, you're like, that
is mean, it doesn't just happen at all, totally totally,
but I think that is a blessing, right, because what
does it really even mean? That's I'm true the good
news of what it means. And this is what I
end up saying. I mean, I think it means two things.
Number One, we're doing great. Yeah, we're hoping, we're happy, right,
(33:04):
we're still in it, We're sort of functioning, we're doing
new things, right, this is great, this is what you want.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Secondarily, I remember.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
A lot of anxiety in my thirties, right, so I
don't have that anymore yet. And some of it is
what you touched on about our characters is that you
you you have expectations, you don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
You don't know if you're on the right.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Track towards those expectations, or maybe you need to change
your expectations, or you know, there's so many questions like
is it all going to work it out?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
And what do I need to do to tick the
boxes right equals happiness.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Right, and in reality, you know, none of that is
probably even really true. And that's what I love so
much about our writers. I mean, some of it's true.
Like did Charlotte truly want to be married?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
She did? She did? Or she she really wanted the
idea of what that was.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
She did, and then she found out that the outer
idea was not what she wanted, right, and then she
found her real, her real thank god, thank god, she
was able to change and grow. And that was their idea.
And the idea also was to never give any of
us what we wanted, because you don't have a show.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Then, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I am lucky that Charlotte got Harry. I guess I
should be, you know, lucky that like nothing happened to
him or whatever, thank god, because it was such a
growth I think for Charlotte, and that what I like
about her. She's super persistent, right, So she was going
to pursue, going to pursue, no matter what the roadblocks were, right,
Like she couldn't get pregnant, she was going to adopt.
Then she does get pregnant, She's going to roll with it.
(34:31):
She's going to roll with it, and I love that
effort that she makes. But I also think that her
ability to roll with it, you know, brings her depth
and wisdom and changes her focus.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Though sometimes she drifts back.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Which is also so interesting, like you'll drift back to
the details.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
So the things that are the most kind of comfortable
and from the.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Way you grew up or whatever it is totally or
like the expectations, like you started by saying, you'll drift
back to those expectations and then be reminded again, Oh no,
that's not it's not actually life. It's not actually what's important,
which I love. I love. I can't talk about the
others expectations as much as I can talk about Charlotte's right, right, right,
and I love hers, and I had to think through hers,
(35:17):
you know, for so long, which you know is a joy,
right obviously, like a great character thing. But it's interesting
too because if you think about, like, you know, Carrie's
expectations are interesting. And one of the things I think
about when I do, I think because our show ended,
and everyone had to talk about how and just like
that ended, versus how Sex and the City ended, because
(35:37):
people were upset obviously when Sex and City the first
show ended because everyone was coupled up and they didn't
feel like that rang true. But sometimes when I'm watching
old episodes, it kind of seems like everyone but Samantha
wants to be coupled up, like even Miranda, who I
had never.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Clocked, right because she seems like such a like.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
A driven career woman, right, But I mean, yeah, everyone
wants somebody, right, and companionship, yes, and right, and to
see everybody maybe to be seen definitely.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I mean Samantha definitely wants to be sure, but it
doesn't really want a relationship, right.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
But then she gets with then she gets coming.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
But that, yeah, that's like her flip is that she
actually wants to keep it easy, breezy, short term, right,
and she gets this long term relationship with a younger man,
you know, yeah, and then has to deal with cancer
and all of right, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
And he's there for her. He's such a sweet way.
That's going to be so interesting. I want to have that.
Jason Smith on he's so good, you guys, this is
so much fun that we're going to have to have
a part two, so join us later in the week
on are you a Charlotte
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hello, We're back with are you a Charlotte? We have
a fantastic guest today.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
My name is me Ray.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
You knows. I think you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Will recognize her. The fact that she was actually on
Sex and the.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
City is crazy million years ago.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah, it's so special.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And amazing, and you know, it's fun for me because
when they told me that you because they went they
looked at all the list of the names of everyone
who was in the show and they were like me,
Ray Knows. I was like, I guess, I mean for me,
I wasn't in that scene, right, No, yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Valerie Harper, justin Thurrau. I mean, it was such an
incredible scene to be a part of. And this was
actually a big moment in my life. So I had
recently moved to New York. I was like waiting tables
and being an art model and hustling, and I had
recently there was an agent named Jim Flynn who I
hadn't even met. Jim, I had met his assistant who
(01:04):
had come to see a showcase and had he had
recently been given permission to sign for like actors for
commercials or like three and rounder lines whatever. And so
the first audition he sent me out on was this
no Yes sax in the City, one line Wow, And
I booked it and it was my first paying job
in New York City. But I had to pay my
(01:26):
SAG dues before I could walk on set. I had
three dollars in my bank account, so I was asking
my parents to wire me the money and all this stuff.
And so all day long, this little newbie agent was
like on the phone, and Jim finally was like, what
the heck is going on? Who is this person? So
this one line was my first paying job in New York,
(01:47):
got me my SAG card, and then ultimately Jim Flynn
signed me and he was my agent for all the
years I was in New York.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Oh that's so nice. That's a nice story.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Can I say that everything about it? Of course, you
know what was going on in your life, that's so interesting.
But when you look at yourself in that scene, you
only have one line, but you're amazing.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh you're sweet, thank you, And here you are with
all these people, like it's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, incredible people. And how was like even with all
this background going on. How was the experience it was?
It was I.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Remembered it being a very happy day that everyone was
kind and they were all just like you know, actors
right in there and telling a story and having some fun,
right and of course you know, I mean second, the
city is so iconic and the storytelling is so wonderful.
And this episode, I mean, I've seen so many episodes
from all the seasons, but this episode I just rewatched.
(02:40):
It really stands up. It was a really awesome episode.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
It's super interesting, it really is. Yeah, I didn't even
really remember it. Yeah, like I remember the Valerie Harper
was on the show. We were so excited because all
of us grew up of course with Mary Tyler Moore
and Rhoda for all of you youngsters, and fantastic kind
of one of the I mean not original. I guess
Lucille Ball would be the first female Jordans and she
(03:04):
was really and pivotal in terms of young women and
she was a career woman.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Mary Tyler Moore and Rhode was her best friend.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So it was in some ways kind of almost a
blueprint for sex and the city in a certain way
at a different time. Right, So it meant so much
to us to get Valerie Harper. I remember being so
excited about that and kind of like starstruck and didn't
know what to say. Sir Jesco was so excited, which
I feel like you can see in those.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Totally their scenes together are so wonderful.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
They're really good. They're really good. And then we have
justin Throw for the second time, which is kind of
hysterical because this is the second season and I had vaguely,
vaguely remembered that, but I'm not working with him, right,
but I know him.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
He's such a.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Lovely guy, and I had completely forgotten about their rather
embarrassing storyline. Yes, I just remembered that he was on
the show, right, and the Valerie Harper's on the show,
And then when I actually watched what they're talking about, hilarious.
It's hilarious but also like so real. Yes, I mean
played for laughs, but yet still so real. All right,
(04:06):
So let's get back to a little bit of details.
So this episode is called Shortcomings, which is you know, yeah, perfect,
oh god, And it was directed by Daniel Algrandt, who's
a really interesting director and I honestly can't remember if
he came back or not. He had done a movie
in indie I think it's called is it called Naked
in New York. I should have asked you guys this
before we started get the producers to look it up.
(04:29):
He had, You know, there was a time when we
would get like indie film directors, especially first season, and
he was kind of a second season version of that.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeh.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Then also, we're at this point getting a lot of
sopranos directors in the loop, so I kind of got
this interesting mix going on.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yes, Naked in New York.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
That was his indie film in the nineties, So I
feel like, you know, people like have a kind of
an indie hit back in the day when you could
have an indie hit, and then they're kind of like
the hot ticket.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
This was Daniel Algrand and he was very sweet.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And this is written by Terry Minsky, which is also
interesting because Terry Minsky wrote in the first season, yet
was not on the set with us. And I think
by the time you came and I don't know if
you would remember this, we had Cindy Schupack and Jenny
Bicks were our supervising producer slash writers, right, so they
were around a lot, right, I mean, I probably saw
it's such a blur. Of course, of course, so this
(05:18):
is my Mewray story. So I did not remember that.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
You were on our show.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
So when my producer said, I was like, well, but
definitely call her. What on earth did she play? Because
I don't remember. But you know, when you're not there
with other people, you don't always know what's going on
the storyline.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
That's plus, you met a lot of people over the
course of all those and.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
We didn't sleep. But the reason that it was interesting
to me is that when your show The Killing came on,
I remember watching the opening sequence. You're running in that
fisherman sweater. I believe you're in Vancouver, on the edge
of Stanley Park. That's a place we all know, all
actors know. And I was like, I love her, and
she seems so familiar, that was my thought. And I
(06:00):
watched that you were so yeah, but you're very unique,
you know, and so specific. And when I see you
in that scene because of course I'm waiting with baited
Bread the whole episode where she wears and then finally
you show up, and you're just so interesting and so present.
And to think that that was your first job, my
first job in New artible incredible, your first job in
(06:23):
New York City. I love that so much. And that's
the joy of being on a show for a while.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It's getting to see the talent that they were able
to find and pull.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well, especially a show cast in New York, which just
feels like such a tight community of actors, and you
see people that are on stage and then they're shooting
an episode of a show and you see the same
thing in Only Murders in the building. You have all
of these wonderful New York actors that get pulled to
do Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it feels really.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
It's so great, so great. So now I'm going to
talk about our other connection. Okay, So, sir, Jessica is
married to Matthew Brodrics. Matthew Broderick was in a movie
with your husband way back when we were young.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, I mean I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, I was of the age to be completely obsessed
with Ferriz Fueller Farrispuelller's Day Off. I hope all of
you have seen this, but if you haven't, you must
immediately go watch. It is a classic. And the joy
is that they're currently in Vancouver working.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yes, forty years later Alan Rock Matthew Broderick, who originally
met doing a Broadway play LuxI Blues.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
No, I've forgotten that part.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yes, they saw, Yes, it was so incredible.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So they were already friends, yes, And so then Matthew
got Ferrispueler and then Allan was called in and of
course they got cast together. And so they were already
friends when they shot that film. And I feel like
you can really feel that in the chemistry and the
the you know, the scene where Alan is on the
(07:59):
phone and he's pretending to be so that was a joke.
The voice that he does, that was a joke to
crack Matthew up because he was doing an imitation of
Gene Sacks, who had directed BLUCKSI Blas. That's a little insider.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
That's amazing. Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
And so they've stayed pals all these years. Forty years wow,
And right now they're shooting a movie called The Best
Is Yet to Come and it's about lifelong male friendship.
And it's just like Alan is having the time of the.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yea the last time Matthew was in Vancouver. And this
is why Sarah Jessica told me about it. He and
I were filming a Christmas movie together in like one
hundred degree we know, August, and he was in a
hole tizzy about where to stay. You know, it's always
an issue right when you go on location. Where to stay?
Where to stay? Where to stay? And Sir Jessica was like,
where did you say? Where did he stay last time?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Remind me? And so week we had to talk it
through it. It really made me.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Laugh that number one, I love the interconnectedness of all
of us over time, and number.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Two, the HBO of it all is hysterical.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I mean, like to watch Ellen, I mean throughout his career, Spencity,
so many amazing things, but the succession.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Succession, I mean yeah, I know, special experience, Yeah, I
mean yeah. And he plays such a hard character. But
you loved him, yes, you love him. And he's also
kind of a sociopath. He's a dumb dumb and also
like heartbreaking all the things. That's very hard. It's very hard,
very very hard.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
He's amazing, he is.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I love to have you on and I love all
the connections.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
It's always a joy to uh, you know, like the
Kevin Bacon six degrees of it's very it's very everyone's
very connected, and that is I think one of the
joys of our of our job.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Well, when you're in a career for like a long time,
that that just happens. You know, people's paths cross and
you work with each other's spouses and yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It's a joy. It's a joy. All right. Let's break
down this episode a little bit, because sometimes it's just
fun to chat. Yeah, I rewatch, but it was very
entertaining for me also to rewatch because sometimes I have
a lot, a lot of memories more behind the scenes,
you know, what was going on that day, and then
sometimes I really remember the plot and sometimes I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, well that was early too two.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It's true, and.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
In my mind I thought that we had just to
throw in season one, which is he also plays a writer,
which is so weird.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
What was going on with us?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, she got cast again, Yes, as a writer.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Though we shaved his hair. That was like, oh, just.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Put some glasses on him.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Now he's a different persons exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
He's a different person, but he's adorable as both.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
He plays a.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Slightly unlikable writer in each which is also interesting, you know,
it is interesting. Like the first one, he's like super
slick and he's just gotten like invited to parties and stuff.
And she also gives the writer advice as someone who's
a writer. Carry is obviously a writer, writer in the
you know, thick of it in terms of Manhattan night life.
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And then this one she's giving him advice. He says,
I'm going to be in GQ. It's almost like the
same part but different. It's interesting and it's the kind
of thing and I, you know, certainly don't want to
dwell on this, but we just did, you know, and
just like that, and people got very obsessed with every
little detail, very upset about every little detail. I'm like,
back in the day, all kinds of stuff went on,
(11:23):
that's right.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You know, no one said anything. I don't know if
anyone noticed.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Probably not. I think I think we're in a new
moment of people wanting to like be in on every
single detail and wanting to have an opinion and.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yes and say their opinion and yeah, and they have
a way to say it.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yes we did for yeah, there wasn't.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I think this would have been the year two thousand.
Do you think that's right? I think that's right, right,
Which is I mean it seems like another lifetime ago.
Things were so different.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I was in my twenties.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Oh my god, yeah, adorable, Like you're in your team,
I do.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I have such a babyface. Actually in your hair. I
had forgotten what I looked like in it, and rewatched.
I was like, oh my god, I look seventeen.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You really do. But beautiful, so beautiful, and you seem
sophisticated because you're sitting there with those people who are
all like very New York and yeah, you know type thing.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Anyway, back to the show. Back to the show. So
this is a to me kind of a departure of
a show. Yeah, Like there are certain things about it, like,
for instance, the coffee shop. For some reason, we're all
plastered next to each other.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Did you notice this? Yes, our shoulders are literally.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Like going on, I don't know. And then there's like
a walk and talk where we're also like they're they're
like like, anyway, that was interesting. I mean we're kind
of finding our way in certain certain ways. And I
think also in different directors would come, we were more
affected by them and later on, yeah, you know, later
on we just be like, no, this is this is.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
What we're doing. You had found your your own rhythm.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And you're kind of confident, yes, within that. But it's
also I found it especially in the coffee shop scene
because now we do have our coffee shop set.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
In the beginning, we didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
We're like out about in different places, right, so it's
funny in the coffee shop, but we're like peppy, you
know what I'm saying. That like really like energized repartee
is in full force, which I really enjoyed. Yeah, it
was nice to see we seem happy, which I'm sure
we were exhausted, but you know it has a lot
of energy.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Right, and it seems like you guys really enjoy each other.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
And yeah, yeah, I know Sara Jessica seems super bubbly.
And also I think it's very hot when I look
at that what I remember, you know, there's like the
very hot summers and then they not so hot summers,
like medium. Her hair is like its natural self, you know,
and she's just radiant, and I feel like we were
all hot.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
But it was great, you know, it was a fun,
fun hot I love that moment she bangs on the
glass since I know.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It's a classic. It's a classic.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
See that also snuck up on me because I think
the way social media is now, you see these little
snippets and you're like, yes, of course I remember that
that was at the height. No, it's and I think
that the theme of this episode, which is family is
difficult and family is also your chosen who, which I
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love so much, And I had no idea that we
had that theme really explicitly in there so early.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, like, that's kind of amazing.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Well, and each of your individual storylines are I mean,
you have your brother obviously, who is your real family,
which is so strange. But there's also like the other
women are like in these little transitional mind it's not
people that are going to stay, which just like shines
light on how special the four of you are.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
That's true, absolutely absolutely. Because my brother we never see
or hear from him again, including my two weddings. I'm
really sorry.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I'm really sorry.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
He works a lot. He was on Ozark. He played
it an evil, evil lawyer.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
It's like, oh, there's my brother, my.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Brother exactly. I mean, now that i'm rewatching, I'm trying
to glom on any little details and to have my
brother there in his like preppy shorts.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
It's very interesting. We did have an episode.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Before where I talk about how in my waspy family
we don't talk about feelings.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
We play tennis, which is kind of funny because.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
We've had a tennis storyline for Charlotte, like literally for
thirty years, you know. So the brother comes, we'll just
do this really quick because the brother's so weird, Like
we never see any of Charlotte's other relatives, no parents, nothing, right,
(15:49):
it's bizarre, bizarre. So the brother comes. He is getting
divorced from his wife, and I tell you guys that
he's coming to visit because he's getting to divorce. Yes,
And everyone makes fun of me. I tell you guys,
like you're in the scene, you're one of us now.
And everyone makes fun of Wesley and Leslie, which is
also like so preppy and funny, right, and very fine
(16:12):
to make fun of. But of course Charlotte really is
tired of getting made fun of at this point, jurning me,
and so I make all kinds of faces at them,
which is also funny. And then so and weirdly, I
guess not weirdly, you know, Charlotte's very pro marriage as
we know.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
As we know, and yeah, she really is committed to
them getting back together, right, So, and she.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Keeps kind of slightly irritatingly asking him like did you
talk to Leslie? Did you talk to Leslie?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
How's Lesly?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
And he's like no, And then I do kind of
love in the end, and this is what I do.
I just synoped down when he says, you know, I
believe he says I hadn't got late or whatever, which
is a bit weird of a way to talk about
your wife, but whatever in two years. And then Charlotte
looks kind of horrified, yes, which is interesting, and then
I'm like, oh, okay, I understand. So he so basically
(16:56):
what happens is that Samantha sleeps with my brother, which
clearly Charlotte knows it's going to happen, which is why
I don't invite Samantha. But then Carrie brings some.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Merings her and you're horrified that she's there, and.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Like awkward, like awkward and interesting. And also sometimes when
I watch it, I can tell, you know, there's occasionally
scenes with the three of them without me. I can
tell that I'm like a newer friend, and there is
a scene when we flash back to the eighties and
all of them are together, and I'm because they hadn't
met me yet. But we never explained that either. It's interesting,
(17:28):
but I can feel that when I watch this episode
because I pull carry over and I'm like, a, yeah, She's.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Like that's Samantha our friends, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Which is that's really funny and interesting.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
But I did and then I mean my producers when
they watched it, they were like, oh, you shouted her
really harshly. The thing that I thought was so interesting
about it, I mean, for Charlotte, it is harsh to
say that, you know, she should be on like, you know,
a guide book of New York because her you know,
station is always open, so to speak that it is
of course a harsh thing for Charlotte to say. Yeah.
(17:59):
The thing that I find interesting is the way Samantha
talks about sex and herself. I mean not in a
derogatory way, but just in a very free way. It's
interesting that then she would take offense to me, yes,
saying that, But then I guess that also is kind
of true, like sometimes if.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
You say something about yourself, yes, you can talk about
yourself in ways that you don't want other people to
talk about you. And what seemed to be true in
that scene is that where Samantha is very comfortable talking
about sex in that way Charlotte, it felt like new
ground for Charlotte to be so direct to her friend,
you know, and so that that felt like that was.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Where those definitely definitely I would never say anything like
that right my girlfriends, and I saw something recently about
I do feel like one of the joys of when
I compare things now to things back then is that
female friendship, I feel like is much more honored and
kind of discussed and you know, prioritized now as opposed
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to back then. Back then, they say like, how did
you know you guys spend so much time together and
stuff like that, which, of course, obviously yes, obviously they
were young and somehow had a lot of time spending to.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Get through which people do.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I mean, I remember spending a lot of time with
my girlfriends in my thirties. But I also think that
now people talk about it and talk about how important
it is, and that you know, like to nurture friendships,
you know, through your life and through the different phases
of your life is so important, and I think that's
so incredibly true. And I also think it's so incredibly
risky to say something to your girlfriend sure that you
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know they wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Like, and that can be the end of a friendship.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
It really could.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Depending on who you say that to, that could be
like game over.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I know, which is so sad, I know, But I
also think it's so interesting because I think that women,
you know, have to kind of like I think, on
the one hand, there's this kind of perception of like, oh, yes,
women just hang out in groups, you know, like it's
like kind of silly or whatever, but then in reality,
we all know that it's not really that easy.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yes, it can be tricky wrighting out with women, and
then you find your women who are like your people, right,
and then it's like those are the most supportive, wonderful.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Relationships, absolutely and so important.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
But female relationships can be really tricky.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Right, And I think it's because it's not I don't
think it's something for my generation at least that was
kind of like worked on or encouraged, like you weren't
really taught how to be friends. I mean, like it
does come easy when you're young, but then I think
as you go through the different stages, it's not so easy.
And certainly as an actor, I know that one of
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the joys of getting the show was that there were
a bunch of women in around that you could that
you knew, Okay, we're all in this together, rather than
being the wife or the girlfriend or like you might
see another woman after.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
But you'd be like, oh, there they go.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
You know, you might not get a scene with them, right,
I mean, have you found that in your career?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah? I spent a lot of time with guys, right,
because you cops and like, I'm serious people. I know,
I get cast as like little toughies, which is so funny,
it's so silly, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I'm envious, though, I'm very envious.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
It's fun getting to do I mean for everyone. Obviously
getting to do a balance of things is obviously of course,
you know, but yeah, I've gotten cast in lots of
movies where it's like a bunch of tough dudes. I mean,
and I'm like, they're great, you know, they're but also
like it does feel lonely sometimes to be like, oh where.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Are my Yeah, yeah, I think it's really lonely. I mean,
I love to be on the set with all the girls. Yeah,
oh I.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Love nothing more. Yeah, nothing more.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I mean, the guys are fun, but like it's comfy
to have the girls. Yeah, it's definitely comfy. That's yeah.
It's one of the best best parts of this whole, whole, whole, long, long,
long term job that I've had. I love it so much.
And that's really why I never wanted to end, you know,
because it's hard to find that.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
It is very hard to find those special groups. Yeah,
so you stay friends with whatever, and that's.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
The joy, is it? Like with Matthew and your husband, Allan,
they you know, it's amazing to get to meet someone
so early in your career and stay friends and get
to work together again. That is just the best. Yeah. Anyway, Okay,
let's go back to the show. Okay, this makes me laugh.
I do not remember the storyline of Miranda, not for
one second watching it fresh. In the storyline, she is
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at the gym, which is also kind of funny to me.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I'm like, yeah, do we see her at the gym?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
No, not really, So so Miranda is interestingly at a
very popular and busy New York City gym, and she's
there on the weekend, which is apparently kids weekend. I've
never gone to a gym.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
And had children running around, no way, I mean, very interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I would have to ask Terry Minsky who wrote this,
like if this was based on something, because that was
a rule that they had they had had to read. Yeah,
so I guess I guess there were some gyms this
was happy. I didn't go to those gyms either. So
there's like children running amok okay basically at this gym.
So then she's all kind of rolling her eyes in
her Miranda way. She looks adorable, you know, like it's
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just so cute, early Miranda. And then she gets in
the elevator and there's this very handsome dad there with
a kid who wants to push the buttons of the elevator.
We've all been there, yes, I have a seven year old.
I mean it's a situation. And I felt so kind
of seen on the one hand by the storyline, but
also embarrassed because I have been the parents saying please,
don't don't.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Touch the butt, could you let Yeah? And then of
course they touched. Sofying.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
What is that about with children?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It's so interesting, so interesting. So anyway that the dad
asks Miranda not to push the buttons, and the kid
then pushes all the buttons and then the dad apologize
and the dad, it's very adorable, and does find a
way to mention that he's divorced, which I thought was
really smooth on his part.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yes, and then you can.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
See Miranda kind of look at him twice like oh interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So then he asks her.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
She gets out of the elevator and he asks her
to come back in and she does, which is so cute, adorable,
very cute, very New York kind of a thing.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
But the kid.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I felt for the kid because literally, this man is
seems relatively newly divorced. We don't hear his whole story.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
But you can feel that he's still figuring out what
that looks like and how to do it right.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
And I mean sometimes as the episode went on, I wondered, like,
where is this mother because apparently she's just not around
because he's got this kid a lot. But also as
a single mom, I also really relate. Now I have
never taken my children with me on a date because
I never really would. No, I mean, it is like
a park later, right, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah, like months later if it's going well, right, you know, right, yeah,
on the first date, stroll in the park.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
With the kid, with the kid, I know, yeah, I know,
But I I also feel this is probably not nice
where I'm going to say, But sometimes I feel like
dads are clueless. Maybe that's true, Like I see dad's
at the park sometimes, but sometimes I'm just like, what
is this dad doing?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Like can a mom tell the dad, like, don't let
the kid do that?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I have some anxiety for the dad.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yes, well, case in point. I mean, the boy clabbers
Miranda over the head with a branch and then isn't disciplined.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
No, no, I know it.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Dad doesn't seem no to know what to do.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yeah, well, Miranda, I know it.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
She gets clabbed, I know, with a pretty big stick
in Central Park and that's before he hands are a worm.
I believe. Yes, I mean there's a lot going on, yes,
and Miranda hangs in there, which is also kind of interesting.
But I also feel like it's like early Miranda is different.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
She's sweet.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I mean, she has her cover, but she's also got
like a sweetness.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yes she does.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
It's adorable, But this guy does seem kind of clueless,
you know, dad, but he's really cute. And at a
certain point they do cut to them in bed and
they look very happy.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yes, it seems like.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Right, yeah, so I guess maybe that's what she's doing.
I don't know, but this also cracked me up. When
after we first meet the guy whose name I can't
remember because he's not going to be around long so
we don't have to use his name, they cut to
us at the coffee shop and Miranda is talking about
how his name is Roger, and Miranda's talking about because
he's divorced, he seems use. Isn't that a weird thing?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
It's a weird thing to say, No, that's true. I
thought that conversation was. Yeah, it was a little funny,
it was a little odd.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It's dated. It didn't hold so much dated.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
No, it is. We would never say that now, absolutely,
Not just because somebody has been married. I mean you
could also say that anyone who has been in a
long term relationship.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Okay, it's fine with me.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
That anyone's been in a long term relationship is used. Right,
It's not.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
No, it's horrible and insane, right, there'd be no one left.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
That's right, because everybody comes with the context yes, right, yes,
unless you're eighteen.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Years old, like right, and who would want to be
doing that?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So yeah, I really was like when when they because
they kind of smashed cut into her, going like it's
like he's used, and I thought, what is she talking about?
Like I had to really catch up a minute, like
we would. I don't think we'd ever say that now,
No way, no way, right, yeah, like you'd just be
very out of touch if you said that. That's right. Yeah,
that was interesting.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That whole conversation was interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
But this is why I like to rewatch, because some
things you're like, oh, whoa, and then sometimes you're like,
that's that's so true. Yeah yeah, And I do think
trying to to juggle children and dating is of course
universal and will probably continue for all of the time.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
And it's a real thing. I mean, this guy's just
not very good at it.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
And also I feel bad for this kid because he
seems like he's really suffering that he he seems jealous of.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
That conversation that right, yeah right, I mean maybe there's
a clue in the fact that this guy says I'm
the anomaly. Actually, I just like to be married and yeah, right,
and so maybe he's just like actually trying to slot
Miranda into this family dynamic faster than race.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I didn't think of that, Yeah, because that is really
odd that he says that. And I mean, I just
found myself wondering, like, what is this dude's backstory, what happened,
what happened.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
To the marriage, where's the wife, what's going on? Where's
ex wife? How long have you been divorced?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I wanted to know more about him than I normally
want to know about our art, like one pole.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Also, we have quite gotten there, but his reaction in
the next scenes where the boy, I don't know if
you want to do recare for it.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Because I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
So it's after you know, she spent the night and
Miranda's having a pee and the little boy starts to
come in the bathroom and of course she goes to
close the door and he gets his head bonked, and
then there's like a real overreaction I feel like on
the dad's Yeah, and basically Miranda just gets like shown
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the door.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Right, Yeah, he says please leave. He says it a
couple of times. This is one thing I do remember
of that episode is that there was a lot of
discussion about his wound. The kids would because when you
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see it, it's bloody. Why did that door make that blood?
I don't know, you know, And I'm saying like it's mysterious, yes,
And I remember there being a fair amount I don't
know at that point in time of our production, like
how sophisticated our stuff was, Duran whenever you have somebody
get bumped or get banged or anything like that, because
we don't see him, we just hear it, right, and
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then cut to there's yeah, you know, which is strange.
But I also felt like if we did know more
about the dad, I mean, I've certainly overreacted before.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Well yeah, of course I have two kids. I've definitely overreacted, right.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
But it's also weird how like the kid kind of
looks at her over the show like there's something kind
of going on where you're like, he just wanted her
to go.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Because Miranda, I know, I'm poor the kid, I'm poor
the kid, everybody for everybody.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, And it's kind of sad because then we really
don't hear that much.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
It's just gone, But you know, good that she tried,
I guess, but also that's like another show. I feel
like that is his own show.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I wonder how which which season does Miranda get her
own child. That's not it's for a while, it's a while,
But I feel like that was a little like just
early Crumb.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Because I was thinking the same thing when I was
watching it, because I do know at a certain point
season three is when I meet Kyle and get married
and then start to try to get pregnant, and then
she gets pregnant by mistake. So it's not that long.
It's because we're almost at the end of two. But
I don't know because this is Terry Minsky's script and
she wasn't with us all the time, and it was
definitely like a long term plan that Michael had that
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both Miranda and Charlotte would get pregnant at the same time.
That was the original plan. Okay, it didn't work out
because then Michael decided, probably rightly so, that because all
of our female writers were single, and none of our
guy writers, who I think there were two of them
at that time, no one had children, so they were
having to mine their friends' stories and they didn't have
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enough to have two sets of stories because they wanted
them to be contrasting stories which would be interesting but
not as interesting as Charlotte not being able to and
Miranda accidentally and then being unsure and all.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Of the No, It's part of what I just love
about the show is that if each of these women's
expectations of what their life is going to be gets
flipped on its head, yep, and so they're having to
manage like their own expectations of what their life has become. Yeah,
it's powerful.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
It is powerful and so true to life. You know,
someone asked me yesterday, I don't know if you get
questions like this. You're not as old as I am,
but people love to ask you about eighteen right. You know,
how how are you looking at aging? How do you
how do you feel? How old do you feel inside?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
You know?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
All the questions right, And I mean I.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Feel very young inside. I feel like forty maybe, or it's.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Hard about the number, right, you know whatever. Some days,
like my husband, who I won't say his name, but
like he's like when he looks at his own age,
his eyes get real big and he's like, how is
it literally possible? I still feel eighteen?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Right, Oh, I don't know. I don't personally know how
it's possible.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
For me either. I mean you have to look sometimes
at your driver's license to be like, you're like, that
is mean, it doesn't just happen at all, totally totally,
but I think that is a blessing, right, because what
does it really even mean? That's I'm true the good
news of what it means. And this is what I
end up saying. I mean, I think it means two things.
Number One, we're doing great. Yeah, we're hoping, we're happy, right,
(33:04):
we're still in it, We're sort of functioning, we're doing
new things, right, this is great, this is what you want.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Secondarily, I remember.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
A lot of anxiety in my thirties, right, so I
don't have that anymore yet. And some of it is
what you touched on about our characters is that you
you you have expectations, you don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
You don't know if you're on the right.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Track towards those expectations, or maybe you need to change
your expectations, or you know, there's so many questions like
is it all going to work it out?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
And what do I need to do to tick the
boxes right equals happiness.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Right, and in reality, you know, none of that is
probably even really true. And that's what I love so
much about our writers. I mean, some of it's true.
Like did Charlotte truly want to be married?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
She did? She did? Or she she really wanted the
idea of what that was.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
She did, and then she found out that the outer
idea was not what she wanted, right, and then she
found her real, her real thank god, thank god, she
was able to change and grow. And that was their idea.
And the idea also was to never give any of
us what we wanted, because you don't have a show.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Then, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I am lucky that Charlotte got Harry. I guess I
should be, you know, lucky that like nothing happened to
him or whatever, thank god, because it was such a
growth I think for Charlotte, and that what I like
about her. She's super persistent, right, So she was going
to pursue, going to pursue, no matter what the roadblocks were, right,
Like she couldn't get pregnant, she was going to adopt.
Then she does get pregnant, She's going to roll with it.
(34:31):
She's going to roll with it, and I love that
effort that she makes. But I also think that her
ability to roll with it, you know, brings her depth
and wisdom and changes her focus.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Though sometimes she drifts back.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Which is also so interesting, like you'll drift back to
the details.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
So the things that are the most kind of comfortable
and from the.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Way you grew up or whatever it is totally or
like the expectations, like you started by saying, you'll drift
back to those expectations and then be reminded again, Oh no,
that's not it's not actually life. It's not actually what's important,
which I love. I love. I can't talk about the
others expectations as much as I can talk about Charlotte's right, right, right,
and I love hers, and I had to think through hers,
(35:17):
you know, for so long, which you know is a joy,
right obviously, like a great character thing. But it's interesting
too because if you think about, like, you know, Carrie's
expectations are interesting. And one of the things I think
about when I do, I think because our show ended,
and everyone had to talk about how and just like
that ended, versus how Sex and the City ended, because
(35:37):
people were upset obviously when Sex and City the first
show ended because everyone was coupled up and they didn't
feel like that rang true. But sometimes when I'm watching
old episodes, it kind of seems like everyone but Samantha
wants to be coupled up, like even Miranda, who I
had never.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Clocked, right because she seems like such a like.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
A driven career woman, right, But I mean, yeah, everyone
wants somebody, right, and companionship, yes, and right, and to
see everybody maybe to be seen definitely.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I mean Samantha definitely wants to be sure, but it
doesn't really want a relationship, right.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
But then she gets with then she gets coming.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
But that, yeah, that's like her flip is that she
actually wants to keep it easy, breezy, short term, right,
and she gets this long term relationship with a younger man,
you know, yeah, and then has to deal with cancer
and all of right, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
And he's there for her. He's such a sweet way.
That's going to be so interesting. I want to have that.
Jason Smith on he's so good, you guys, this is
so much fun that we're going to have to have
a part two, so join us later in the week
on are you a Charlotte
Host
Kristin Davis
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