September 8, 2025 • 34 mins
Kristin is joined by her co-star Nicole Ari Parker (aka Lisa Todd Wexley) to connect and share their feelings and fondness for their show And Just Like That... From her first day on set as LTW, finding lasting friendships with her costars, and of course the fashion, Kristin and Nicole bond over their beautiful shared experience.
Plus, a spinoff idea from Kristin that Nicole Ari Parker finds particularly interesting.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte. This is a very very very exciting time,
you guys, because today we have an incredible I call
Arna Parker.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
With a here are you as Charlotte? And we may cry.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Okay, I'm just going to tell you right now ocause
it might cry. Yes, because what happened was this. I
was at camp with my kids last week in Oregon,
h and I did know that our announcement was coming.
We had a little bit, a little bit of notice, yes,
and we hadn't all talked about it.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And I was in Oregon, and I thought, I need
to call Nicole because I'll feel like you're my You're
my person.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And I was worried.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
We had already scheduled this, and I didn't know if
you would want to come talk, if.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It would be too soon.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I just wanted to think about your feelings.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And so I tried to call you, and I thought
it was okay. So I went to the car to
call Nicole because I was at this camp full of
people and I was, you know, not, I don't know
these people, right, So I went to the camp at
the car and I called her, but I couldn't talk.
I thought I was fine, and then I just I
couldn't talk. So I was like, and so either the
(01:18):
voicemail didn't record this is what I'm hoping, or a
different Nicole from my past might have a sobbing, sobbing
phone call. I'm not sure which, because when I saw
the cold today, I said, I'm so sorry I left
you that message because then I.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Felt what message? Well, and she said what message?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So she didn't get it.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
You guys get one single.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It was literally like an ugly cry sobbing situation because
you know, the feelings aren't really together yet.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I don't know how you're feeling.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Well, you know, I I got very attached to you
and to the show, and we were just getting started,
you and I and everything, and I just feel at
the same time grateful and sad because you're legendary and
(02:18):
the show was legendary, and I'm just grateful I got
to be a part of it and get to know you.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, I mean, you, for me were like the bright
light that came.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I mean, all of us have been together for so
long as you know, most of us, and then we
got you and Serena and do you remember our first
day of work? I do, because it was the first
day being back. Nicole had to come into Charlotte's apartment.
I was the first one up when we came back
after COVID obviously hadn't been together. So the thing that
(02:54):
is the silver lining to this whole thing is that
as much as the show is ending, they say, I'm
trying to believe them, I can't. I don't feel it
in my gut, but this is what they tell me,
So I'm trying to get with it. As you guys know,
this is obviously I never think it's over right.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
This is just who I am.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
But I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying to believe it.
But we're all still in each other's lives. So as
much as it's ending, like sometimes people say, oh, what
was it like to be all back together? Well, it's
of course unique with when you're on a set. You know,
it's a different situation on a set.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But it's not like I hadn't seen everybody, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Of course I see everybody in different ways in different places,
not all together probably you know what I mean, or
not for eighteen hours, right, you know in heels, right,
in very high heels. But it and of course the
thing that I'm mostly I mean, I don't even know
what I'm mostly sad about, but the newness of having
you and so Rita join us and other people too, obviously,
(03:48):
but like substantially you and so Rita brought so much
and you just as an actress.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I mean, I have so many different.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Memories, you know, if you havn't do really hard things
like remember that time we went down to that crazy
place downtown and you have to tell me that you
might be pregnant and you might not and you don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And you've got your documentary do you remember this?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yes, it's in the aisles of the high end grocery items.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Oh my, that's right. That was hard, man, that was
so hard.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And you nailed it.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But you never think you nail it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Such a glorious.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Because I you know, I need to tell the viewers
that the show that you love that I was blessed
enough to be a part of, though that writing is
pure drama that has to turn on a dime. Yeah,
And I'm like, well, I I could do stuff, but
this is a whole other beast. It's hard. It's hard, yeah,
(04:44):
and you guys have nailed it and cemented that lovely
frequency in stone and so, I mean, I remember the
first scene I shot. That was kind of but it
was the group scene, the lunch. Oh yeah, that was
my first day of my first feeling for you.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I felt for you, and I was.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Always a fan of the show, and I knew the
scope of your you know, the show's global phenomenon, you know.
And I'm standing and I'm getting touched up, and I'm
getting my wardrobe fidgeted with and secured. I'm wearing clothes
I don't even know how to say the names of
(05:30):
the designers I'm wearing. And we were shooting at the Whitney. Yes,
we were shooting at the Whitney with all the glass,
you know, clear glass windows, and I'm standing kind of away,
but but you three are at the table and the
people outside slowly realized through the glass what's happening. So
(05:53):
I turn around after getting makeup touched and there's massive,
massive amounts of people out and I'm like, today is today,
Welcome to the world of Sex and the City. They
were so excited to see you guys.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Oh that was sweet.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
That was a good day. The thing that I remember
the most about that day. I had forgotten that day
for your part, and I had.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
To ask you, guys, if I in the scene. I
had to ask if I could have a friendship day.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I know.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I was like, this can't be. I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And my scene was that monologue about you, because I'm
basically telling the girls who you are before you enter,
and it's very long. It's like your credentials basically, right,
and they film and Sarah first over my shoulder. So
I've been doing this very very lengthy monologue for maybe
(06:47):
four hours, and then they turn around on me and
Michael Patrick says, you know, I need more energy, and
I'm like, oh my god, because also like it's kind
of like you're building your legs back up, like because
this particular job is so hard in terms of the dialogue.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
In terms of the shoes, in terms of.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
The stamina, and then and just like that, we often
go to work at four thirty in the morning for
whatever reason because we're in daylight.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So you're tired, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And I've got that long monologue and Michael Patrick's like,
I need more energy, and I'm like, okay, you know,
what I'm trying to do more energy and then he's like,
I don't see it in your eyes. I'm like, well,
Michael Patrick, you might have seen it in my eyes
like six hours ago, of course, because it was you,
and I wanted I wanted. I mean, I'm introducing the
(07:33):
viewer to you as well as right, Carrie, Miranda, right,
So I wanted it to be and I hope I
hold it off.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
She Now, I do remember you in.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Those outfits and they were like so like out of
the box, you know, like nothing else.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And I had to be I had to act like, oh,
this is normal, and.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
How did you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Well? I was.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I'm naturally a bit traumatic. So I can handle a caftan,
oh man whoever, giant necklace and two purses at the
same time because Molly would always give me a second bag.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I know, because she could never she had too much.
It was like an abundance of breeches.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I know. And so I felt great in the clothes.
It was more about you guys that I just was
so starstruck. You could say, oh, you have grown up.
I was like, oh my god, for me.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
One of my other really funny memories, which was more
recent when we bet went back to do this third season.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Our day in the park where we go to.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
The baseball I don't know if that I feel like
that was my first day in the park. And you
have the longest, most beautiful legs ever created on a
human being, and I really really do not And I'm
wearing a pencil skirt, of course, with some kind of
lunatic high shoes, and we're trying to get over those
rickety bleachers and you reach back to take my hand,
(08:53):
which was so sweet. But you're moving at gazelle speed
and I'm moving at like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Chihuahuas.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Please, there's something I don't know that I'm not I'm
not capable of keeping.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Up with you.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Oh my god, the stress, the stress.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I was like, I'm going to rip the skirt in
ways that I'm not going to be interted.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You're so sweet, but.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
This is how you feel the whole job, whether you've
been doing it, yes, one month or thirty years.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I really loved our scenes at the kids' school.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Oh my god, Yes, the arbor.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
School, Yes. And I just felt like and we had
insane props, bags and big bags, big bags, and always
some drama, always some drama.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I think I had to call Cynthia at one point
this season. I think I've talked about it on the
podcast because I we sometimes collaborate posts on Instagram, but
she has different followers than I have, you know, her fans,
my hands whatever, and her fans at one point took
me apart of one of our early episodes that I
was over the top and wacky, and I think it
(10:01):
might have been the one we're talking about, the college
prep episode. Yes, yes, And I had to call Cynthia
because I was like, well, I don't understand what was happening.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
What's happening?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And I mean, this is how I feel a lot
in today's world. And she said, first of all, you
were absolutely doing the part that you were written. You
guys are Lucy at Ethel and you are supposed to
be You're supposed to lean into that because we know
where your storyline's are going for both of you, and
this was a setup for that. Because that's how Michael
(10:30):
Patrick thinks, that's how all of our writers think. They
have a long game, and not every episode it's going
to be clear what that long game is. You were
going to go to a deeper place. I was going
to go to a deeper place for my place. A
lot of it was rethinking what's important. And Charlotte's always
been the type of character where I get sucked into
the details, you know, the.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
How do things look? How do things seem?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Are we doing everything we could possibly do? You know,
like that's a very Charlotte or kind of an idea.
And so in those episodes that you know, I'm I'm
stressing over, you know, will Lily.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Go to college?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Will it be the best college? This is a very
real and relatable. You have grown kids, you've probably.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Been through this.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, right, twenty Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
It's incredible that you do that, but that you're there,
it's like amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
We'll get to that a second.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But anyway, I had to call something to get a
little pep talk to say, no, you guys are Lucy
and Ethel right now in the show, and that is
what was written and that is what you're.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And you cannot do Lucy and Ethel without.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Leaning into it. That's right, right, Yeah, And I just
want to thank.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
You for being there with me, who are just the
best partner. I could have.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
So much fun. I know, and it's hard. Some days
are easier, but for the most part it's hard. It
is hard, and you know, most people are like, what
are you doing next? I'm like, can I just process
this for a minute.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And Nicole just moved to New York, Yes, with her
beautiful husband, Boris, who we must talk about.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, so like, how are you, how are you.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Feeling, how's Boris feeling? How's the family?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Well? I was, I'm from Baltimore and I'm I went
to NYU. I lived here for thirteen years, then I
got soul Food, where I met Boris. In two thousand
and we moved to LA and we were in Atlanta
for a minute, and then we moved to LA. And
but I was always a New Yorker. I was always
an East Coast girl. I'm a city kid. And so
(12:33):
it was so obvious, like my family was so exhausted
by me. They would be like, we know, mommy, you
want to live in New York theater and me your
friends and be a pedestrian, so ella, you gotta drive,
like they gave me the monologue almost like every week.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
And then one day this year Boris came in the bathroom.
I was brushing my teeth or something, and he goes,
you want to move It's time. Wow. But I had
to act very cool because I didn't know if I
my excitement was gonna like make him backspace, backpedal, I
don't know. So I was like, are you sure?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Really I was very gentle. But we put our house
on the market, and I just you know, yes, the
show shoots here and I had an apartment here, but
I was doing it for my soul. Really, just not
even work, Like I just wanted this chapter of my
life to be in the city and or in New York.
I mean, we found a house. I had to compromise
(13:34):
because I like the concrete jungle. But Boris is from
the Black Forest. He's from the woods, and so if
we were going to move to the East Coast, he
needed city adjacent. Hated trees. Yeah, we're right on the
Hudson River. Trees. It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
And the dogs are thrilled.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
The dogs are like, finally we're dogs like chasing squirrels.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Love it, yeah, love it, love.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It, love it.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
They were very happy.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
So it is feeding your soul in the way they gets.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Feeding my soul. Although like Chris Jackson, who lives up
there too. I would have made the forty five minute
trek to work every day. Wow, to be with you guys.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, now, let's just talk about Chris Jackson for a second.
I'm going to have to find a way to have
him on the podcast even though he was never in
Sexas City, but neither were you. But I can do
whatever I want, right, it's my podcast. Chris Jackson played
(14:38):
Nicole's husband as I hope you guys know, and just
like that, and he's an incredible actor. He was the
original George Washington in Hamilton, which my kids are like
fully obsessed with him.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Now everyone is obsessed with him, I know, but they.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Didn't know when they first came to set. They hadn't
had their Hamilton discovery moment. And now they're just in disbelief, like, Mommy,
you got to work with him. I'm like, yeah, I'm
pretty sure you guys met him, but he wasn't dressed.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
He just didn't realize, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
So it's all very funny now, But you know what
a dream team you guys. I mean in my mind,
I'm just gonna say this. I don't know if it
can happen. I guess it probably can't, but like I
want to see your show. Oh wouldn't it be amazing.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I don't know how to make that happen.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
But your whole family's existence I love so much. Wow,
everything about it, all of your children, when you guys
get dressed to go to the funeral of your father's character.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Just it's a whole world that I want to be in.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I was just talking about this and that the show,
the writer's Mpka really did a great job in that.
You know, they didn't slap spaghetti on the wall, they
didn't make the Black Family cookie cutter. They really fleshed
out everything, like you know, the art on the walls,
the coffee cups I drank out of, and you know,
(16:11):
you guys made Karen Pittman's character reel and my character
reel in a way that I was just I was
proud to be a part of, you know. And so
uh yeah, I don't know. You never know, you.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Never know anything, Yeah, right, you never know anything.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I'd have Billy d Williams play my father, I mean,
what a dream and Jennifer Lewis, Jennifer.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Lewis, it was incredible.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
It's incredible. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah. And also that was Susan you know, that was
Susan fails Hill who really had had those inspirations and
basically wrote that part for Jennifer Lewis and made it happen.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You know, she's the engine made.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Remember the table read. Oh my god, she threw down,
Like the whole house was like what Oh it was
incredible at the table I know. I wish people could
see them.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I agree, because they are a very old school thing.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
They still do that.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Michael comes from that, you know, old old school sitcom
world where the table read was very important and if
if jokes didn't hit, they would get cut, which I
kept trying to explain to my pretend children, like please
act at the table read.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Because I want you to bring it, yes, say, but.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Their kids, and they don't. They're trying to be real
or whatever or quiet. I don't know what they were
trying to do subtle, but my mommy self was.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Like, guys, get louder, you know, hit it, hit it.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
But because back in the olden days, as is kind
of obvious when you watch the old episodes. Mostly I
am just wowed by the old episodes because I never
rewatched till now, which is part of the fun of
the podcast. I would watch once when it would right
before we to air, they would give us a VHS
and then I hadn't watched in many years. There's a storyline, B, storyline,
(18:08):
C storylin D storyline D storyline. You probably don't get
much because there's just not time.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
They're twenty two minutes.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Right, So if you went to that read through and
didn't give it your all, you were probably on the
timing block. Yeah, or maybe they filmed it and then
it might get cut if it wasn't strong enough, But
most of the time they would not.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
They would gauge it from the table read. Does this work?
Is it not landing? All that?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Right?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I remember the table reads being so powerful that I cried.
Oh me too. I would cry at the table read
while eating my little finger sandwich like yeah it was
rough sometimes, yeah, yeah, yeah, such good actors, I know.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah. And also the funny thing is that in the
olden days we were in a room like this size,
but do you remember how big our tables done?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Really lovely finger sandwiches? Sixty people. I was like, can
I take some of this home? Definitely? But also like
you're like at a theater.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I just like a theater performance in a weird way,
in a circle.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, circular theater performance. I know, it's crazy to think about.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And everyone always asks me, what is Kristin? Like for real,
but what is esj What is Cynthia?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
What do you say?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And I'm like, she is everything. She's so beautiful inside
and out, so funny, so sincere, and like one of
the through lines of the things I would I would
really feel about you three was that these are real women.
(19:42):
They have full lives, They don't have their head in
the sand. They know what's going on in the world.
They are humans to the fullest. Thank you, And I
was just I just fell in love even more thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, I mean I do think that's true. It's like
when you have had this.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Kind of weird level of success, which of course we're
so thankful for, but people really do think that we're
our characters and we're really not.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
You know, do you think that? Yeah? I know it.
I mean we kind of are, but we kind of aren't. Like,
I mean weird, since the characters you know of your
real persons are there, but the facts of your real
life are so grounded and human and actual like lifing
(20:31):
is happening.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I think is happening, and that you fit right in obviously,
which is such a joy. But the funny thing too,
is like I've been on other sets back in the
day before we started, and it's not that those people
weren't real or weren't grounded, but like the things that
they would talk about at work would be like shopping
or golf, you know what I'm trying to say, working out,
like very active.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Like you said, we had to become a family really fast. Yeah,
and just what I loved about, you know, people talk
about being a grown up. It's like I love that
we're grown me too, know, like maybe when I was twenty,
I would have talked to you about what eyeshadow you
were wearing, But like we kind of do still talk
(21:13):
about I.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Mean, we might have that moment of the day, right,
you might have it today totally you are as you
were killing a baby.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
So I was like, you don't understand. We have real
conversations about what's going on in the world, our kids, yeah,
our life, you know. Yeah, And it was very fulfilling
on screen and off. Oh yeah, that makes me so happy.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
And that's the thing, like your post that you posted
was so sweet, and so many like Alexander Bellow, like
so many people have posted, and it is so deeply
satisfying to know that we did create a place where
people felt happy and welcome, because that is so important
to us, and so important to us when we were reconvening,
because we knew we wanted to expand the show, and
(21:58):
we knew that we needed to make it a place
for people to be who were new, and we knew
that was intimidating and weird to come into a show
that you've already watched, you know, like, yes, where would
you rank that in terms of like on your mind
when you came do you know what I'm saying? Like
it was a different show obviously, but yet kind of similar.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I was excited got it, you know, it was it
was half professional, half fangirl. That's good, you know, Like
I wanted to calm do my best. Yes, I felt
lucky and honored to be a part of it. But
I was also the first couple of episodes just a
little starstruck, you know. And I'm a grown up, seasoned
actor and I was still a little like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You didn't see it? You didn't seemen at all. You
were fun. You were fun right away, you know, as
was so Rita.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
But the two of you are.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Like so chill, you know what I mean, you really are,
Like I felt like it was just seamless.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Wow, I did.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I really did? I mean I did? I did?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You know, obviously the whole whole costume situation.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I was like, wow, whoa, what on earth? Oh my gosh,
she can pull this off?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And whoa, it's incredible. But you were just like a breeze,
you know, like the Valentino moment. I mean like they
showed me when the head piece arrived at.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Costume remember that day. Yeah, I was like, I was like,
people in the back, it is a full crate, a
full crate of this incredible.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I'm sure you guys have seen the image, but if not,
we'll put it on the social media. It's an incredible
headpiece that covered her face.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Okay. I was like, what it was.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Like silence of the lambs under there? Yeah, like full
the Philip trecy made. It was on the the you know,
in Rome, the fashion show in Rome. It was just premiered, right.
I was so scared.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I was like, don't mean nicole wear this, but did
you not only wear it, you like run down Fifth
Avenue in that thing. I mean, it was incredible. We
could not have cast you better ever, and our wildest dream.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
You're just a dream Nicole, you really are.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I think it took like fifty years for me to
be who I was when I was like a little girl.
You know, my mom had bracelets and scars in the
seventies and Diana Ross in mahogany outfits, and so I
would play in those clothes. But I also went to
(24:27):
a private school, so I wore uniforms my whole life,
like second to twelfth grade. And so here I was
as an adult, and so I played lawyers and I
was very cool together and I was like finally, oh
you know, I love it.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Oh there's no better place to play in our world. Yeah,
as the others.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Had, and you know the wardrobe also, Molly and Danny,
they did a lot of kind of feeling research, like
what they wanted to feel like, So the funerals, see
for example that you know it was Coreta Scott King
and Jackie o at their husband's funeral, doctor King's funeral,
(25:08):
and they really knew the historic power and a lot
of the clothes that I was wearing absolutely and were
very intentional about that, absolutely, and that just made me
even more comfortable. So when she had to be two bags,
I was like, I trust you, girl. I know Cleo
Patrick must have done.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
This absolutely absolutely, and yes you should play.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Oh my god, what a great idea. We're never TD.
I know.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
The creativity just starts to bowl.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I know. I love it all right, is there anything
else you want to talk about before we move on?
It's fun.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's so much fun. You're just so easy and joyful.
I feel like you have just so much joy in
everything you do.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I really do remember when we were running around doing.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
That press, you just had so much joys.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I was exhausted like you were. Yeah, it was People
don't realize. It was like forty seven interviews in one day, and.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Like every four minutes, every four minutes, four minutes.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
It's hard and in heels and lashes, and I would
look over at you and just be like, she's amazing.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
And that's what I thought about you. You're amazing and
so incredibly chic.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Thank you. And for people who don't know, like it
takes a lot for Kristen to say that's enough, And
this girl would be like beat down, cannot even say
another word before she would say, can I just get
a glass of water? Just give me a minute?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
That's true too. Every once in a while, I do
you have to remind myself that it's.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Okay, yes, ask for a break.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, you know, because I think we're both really good
girls as much as we're also grown women.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yes, And I love that about you.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And I feel like that also was like kind of
a really special meeting place for LTW and Charlotte, you know,
like we had that kind of similar DNA.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, at the same time, we have to.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Be there for each other, Like it's okay to say
it's hard to climb these rafters or whatever the heck, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
It's okay to say that when you're getting up in
your extremely structured couture skirt at the funeral after sitting
on it for five hours or whatever it was, that
can we have a moment to fix ourselves?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yes, you know what I mean. And you would just
get a little bite of a sandwich, can I be like,
what do you do? You would get your lash fixed?
Be like okay, now I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's so true.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
It's such an interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
And I think it's an interesting thing about being a
woman where you just feel like you're supposed to be
all put together at all times, no matter what you know,
and and that it's okay not to be you know. Yeah,
And I also think this. I saw this other thing
and I wanted to ask you your thoughts on it.
I was looking at the press about the end of
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the show, which is quite interesting.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I know, right, so interesting, so.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Interesting, and I'm collecting some ideas of how to talk
about it on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Maybe some I have some experts on.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Someone wrote in The Atlantic a really interesting article about
the lack of true dialogue in our social media kind
of world that is more just like shouting at each
other and not actually deeply looking at something, which is interesting.
And also there's interesting thoughts and ideas about the parasocial
relationship that people have with actors and celebrities and the
(28:38):
projections and the amount of projection and kind of losing
the limits of you know.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
And the safety of being able to project and have
no reciprocation. I can just throw right tomato sauce on
these people, right, whatever.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I'm feeling that day, right, because it literally took hours
of us saying that the show is ending for people
to be writing love letters to it, the people who
had previously been very angry or whatever perceived misstep we
had made in their mind or whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
It was really amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
So when I'm looking through the list of all the
different articles, I see this one and it says the
erasure of Charlotte Yorke And.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I'm like, wait, wait, what who who erased me?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
What?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
What? What? What?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
What?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
And I read the article and it was by kind
of a fashion magazine or digital magazine, I think, and
it basically said number one that when I started, this
is almost thirty years ago. When I started, I had
frills in my clothing and where were they?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Okay, that's thirty years ago. Do we not want to
change and grow a little bit?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Like Charlotte has stayed pretty.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
True to her fashion sense, what is thirty years later.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I don't really think I need any more frills that
I already have.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
People I have traverse the frill landscape right thoroughly right, And.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
If I were wearing frills, I think they'd be complaining
about that. And then the second thing they complained about
in this article involves you, which is why I wanted
to get your thoughts on it. Remember the scene where
we're walking, it was one of the last ones we filmed.
We're walking and talking about your flirtation at work. You're
flirting and you're kind of telling me about it because
(30:12):
you can't really talk about it. You're feeling a lot
of guilt even though you've done nothing with your flirtation
at work. But you're feeling bad because you have a
great marriage, right and you obviously your marriage is incredibly
important to you, and so you're talking to your friend
about your You know, I feel so uncomfortable about these
thoughts and dreams that I had. I think you had
a dream, right, So and I say something to you, like,
(30:34):
you know, you have a connection at work, and isn't
this what we want?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
You're in a creative job and you have a creative
connection at work.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
So the person writing this article was all upset. You know,
Charlotte Yorke would never say that. Charlotte Yorke would look
down on that. Charlotte Yorke would not be supporting that.
That's not Charlotte Yorke, right, like, very adamant and to me,
I think that's insane, because why wouldn't there be some
growth in Charlotte that she would be less judgmental than
(31:02):
she might have been thirty years ago. And also, you're
coming to me for you know, like reassurance and compassion
and empathy, not judgment.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Why would I judge you?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
You're not going to do anything, and I know you're
not going to do anything, So I'm trying to make
you feel better about your own thoughts.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Could you already feel so bad?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah? Well, I thought that that was such good writing
because it showed that, like exactly what you said, that
these two women are actual friends in the sense that
they really care about the choices they're about to make.
And then for you to say that was kind of
like honoring the morality of Charlotte by putting this attraction
(31:42):
in perspective like this is just a creative space that
gets the feelings going, but it's just a creative space.
I thought that was like the most wholesome thing you
could say to your friend and bring all of that
fire down in your friend and don't ruin your marriage right,
and don't overblow it right, and just isn't that crazy?
It's crazy? But I think when I hear that, you know,
(32:05):
I think it was more about the writer, right that, Right, that.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Doesn't seem like that at the time clickbait headline the
erasure of Charlotte Yorke And then you actually read it
and you're like, oh what, I don't agree with anything.
This person is saying, no offense to you, whoever you are.
I don't remember your name, but it just goes to
show that, like I feel like we're in the craziest time.
I know, behave myself behaved, Christen, it's a crazy time.
(32:32):
It's really just what I want to say, where like
it's like the forest or lost for the trees or
whatever that phrase is.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yes, you can't see the forest for the tree.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
You can't see the forest for there.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I feel like it's like that, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Like the nit picking, nit picking, nip picking where you
don't even know the whole what's coming.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
It reminds me of all of the family in a way.
Archie Bunker was representing a voice and they let him
say those things on the show, and then when the
Jeffersons were their neighbors before they had their spin off,
and every now and then Archie Bunker would have a
moment of kindness or clarity or open to thoughts, and
(33:11):
I read somewhere that people would get outraged that he
still wasn't like bam bam bam. And but what as
a kid watching that, I was like, I was warmed
by those moments, the complexity and the complexity of even
if my young brain couldn't process it, I was like, oh, right,
(33:32):
that's the right thing to say, you know, and childlike mine.
And that's how I felt about that scene.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
And you know what a wonderful thing though that people
responded to that we didn't even realize was our scene
in the pool. Oh. I got hundreds and hundreds of
comments about every aspect of that scene, the silence between us,
the the fact, I mean people saw our race in
(33:59):
that scene, and that how simple two women can be friends,
and that all the differences in them, yeah don't matter
when friends are friends. Yeah, I got just expose A's
on it.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Amazing And it was just see that we.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Both were like, don't fill my butt totally and I'm
bathing it's a hundred up to our neck exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Well, that's the power.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
That's the power of film, I think, you know, and
sometimes we forget about the power and the little things.
That's that's really well put and I'm glad that you
got that. And I also it just gives me faith
in the human race, you know, that they.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Can see good things, you know, right, Yeah
Speaker 1 (34:42):
You guys, this is so much fun that we're going
to have to have a part two, so join us
later in the week on are You a Charlotte
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte. This is a very very very exciting time,
you guys, because today we have an incredible I call
Arna Parker.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
With a here are you as Charlotte? And we may cry.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Okay, I'm just going to tell you right now ocause
it might cry. Yes, because what happened was this. I
was at camp with my kids last week in Oregon,
h and I did know that our announcement was coming.
We had a little bit, a little bit of notice, yes,
and we hadn't all talked about it.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And I was in Oregon, and I thought, I need
to call Nicole because I'll feel like you're my You're
my person.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And I was worried.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
We had already scheduled this, and I didn't know if
you would want to come talk, if.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It would be too soon.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I just wanted to think about your feelings.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And so I tried to call you, and I thought
it was okay. So I went to the car to
call Nicole because I was at this camp full of
people and I was, you know, not, I don't know
these people, right, So I went to the camp at
the car and I called her, but I couldn't talk.
I thought I was fine, and then I just I
couldn't talk. So I was like, and so either the
(01:18):
voicemail didn't record this is what I'm hoping, or a
different Nicole from my past might have a sobbing, sobbing
phone call. I'm not sure which, because when I saw
the cold today, I said, I'm so sorry I left
you that message because then I.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Felt what message? Well, and she said what message?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So she didn't get it.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
You guys get one single.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It was literally like an ugly cry sobbing situation because
you know, the feelings aren't really together yet.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I don't know how you're feeling.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Well, you know, I I got very attached to you
and to the show, and we were just getting started,
you and I and everything, and I just feel at
the same time grateful and sad because you're legendary and
(02:18):
the show was legendary, and I'm just grateful I got
to be a part of it and get to know you.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, I mean, you, for me were like the bright
light that came.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I mean, all of us have been together for so
long as you know, most of us, and then we
got you and Serena and do you remember our first
day of work? I do, because it was the first
day being back. Nicole had to come into Charlotte's apartment.
I was the first one up when we came back
after COVID obviously hadn't been together. So the thing that
(02:54):
is the silver lining to this whole thing is that
as much as the show is ending, they say, I'm
trying to believe them, I can't. I don't feel it
in my gut, but this is what they tell me,
So I'm trying to get with it. As you guys know,
this is obviously I never think it's over right.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
This is just who I am.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
But I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying to believe it.
But we're all still in each other's lives. So as
much as it's ending, like sometimes people say, oh, what
was it like to be all back together? Well, it's
of course unique with when you're on a set. You know,
it's a different situation on a set.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But it's not like I hadn't seen everybody, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Of course I see everybody in different ways in different places,
not all together probably you know what I mean, or
not for eighteen hours, right, you know in heels, right,
in very high heels. But it and of course the
thing that I'm mostly I mean, I don't even know
what I'm mostly sad about, but the newness of having
you and so Rita join us and other people too, obviously,
(03:48):
but like substantially you and so Rita brought so much
and you just as an actress.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I mean, I have so many different.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Memories, you know, if you havn't do really hard things
like remember that time we went down to that crazy
place downtown and you have to tell me that you
might be pregnant and you might not and you don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And you've got your documentary do you remember this?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yes, it's in the aisles of the high end grocery items.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Oh my, that's right. That was hard, man, that was
so hard.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And you nailed it.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But you never think you nail it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Such a glorious.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Because I you know, I need to tell the viewers
that the show that you love that I was blessed
enough to be a part of, though that writing is
pure drama that has to turn on a dime. Yeah,
And I'm like, well, I I could do stuff, but
this is a whole other beast. It's hard. It's hard, yeah,
(04:44):
and you guys have nailed it and cemented that lovely
frequency in stone and so, I mean, I remember the
first scene I shot. That was kind of but it
was the group scene, the lunch. Oh yeah, that was
my first day of my first feeling for you.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I felt for you, and I was.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Always a fan of the show, and I knew the
scope of your you know, the show's global phenomenon, you know.
And I'm standing and I'm getting touched up, and I'm
getting my wardrobe fidgeted with and secured. I'm wearing clothes
I don't even know how to say the names of
(05:30):
the designers I'm wearing. And we were shooting at the Whitney. Yes,
we were shooting at the Whitney with all the glass,
you know, clear glass windows, and I'm standing kind of away,
but but you three are at the table and the
people outside slowly realized through the glass what's happening. So
(05:53):
I turn around after getting makeup touched and there's massive,
massive amounts of people out and I'm like, today is today,
Welcome to the world of Sex and the City. They
were so excited to see you guys.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Oh that was sweet.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
That was a good day. The thing that I remember
the most about that day. I had forgotten that day
for your part, and I had.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
To ask you, guys, if I in the scene. I
had to ask if I could have a friendship day.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I know.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I was like, this can't be. I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And my scene was that monologue about you, because I'm
basically telling the girls who you are before you enter,
and it's very long. It's like your credentials basically, right,
and they film and Sarah first over my shoulder. So
I've been doing this very very lengthy monologue for maybe
(06:47):
four hours, and then they turn around on me and
Michael Patrick says, you know, I need more energy, and
I'm like, oh my god, because also like it's kind
of like you're building your legs back up, like because
this particular job is so hard in terms of the dialogue.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
In terms of the shoes, in terms of.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
The stamina, and then and just like that, we often
go to work at four thirty in the morning for
whatever reason because we're in daylight.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So you're tired, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And I've got that long monologue and Michael Patrick's like,
I need more energy, and I'm like, okay, you know,
what I'm trying to do more energy and then he's like,
I don't see it in your eyes. I'm like, well,
Michael Patrick, you might have seen it in my eyes
like six hours ago, of course, because it was you,
and I wanted I wanted. I mean, I'm introducing the
(07:33):
viewer to you as well as right, Carrie, Miranda, right,
So I wanted it to be and I hope I
hold it off.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
She Now, I do remember you in.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Those outfits and they were like so like out of
the box, you know, like nothing else.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And I had to be I had to act like, oh,
this is normal, and.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
How did you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Well? I was.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I'm naturally a bit traumatic. So I can handle a caftan,
oh man whoever, giant necklace and two purses at the
same time because Molly would always give me a second bag.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I know, because she could never she had too much.
It was like an abundance of breeches.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I know. And so I felt great in the clothes.
It was more about you guys that I just was
so starstruck. You could say, oh, you have grown up.
I was like, oh my god, for me.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
One of my other really funny memories, which was more
recent when we bet went back to do this third season.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Our day in the park where we go to.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
The baseball I don't know if that I feel like
that was my first day in the park. And you
have the longest, most beautiful legs ever created on a
human being, and I really really do not And I'm
wearing a pencil skirt, of course, with some kind of
lunatic high shoes, and we're trying to get over those
rickety bleachers and you reach back to take my hand,
(08:53):
which was so sweet. But you're moving at gazelle speed
and I'm moving at like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Chihuahuas.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Please, there's something I don't know that I'm not I'm
not capable of keeping.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Up with you.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Oh my god, the stress, the stress.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I was like, I'm going to rip the skirt in
ways that I'm not going to be interted.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You're so sweet, but.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
This is how you feel the whole job, whether you've
been doing it, yes, one month or thirty years.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I really loved our scenes at the kids' school.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Oh my god, Yes, the arbor.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
School, Yes. And I just felt like and we had
insane props, bags and big bags, big bags, and always
some drama, always some drama.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I think I had to call Cynthia at one point
this season. I think I've talked about it on the
podcast because I we sometimes collaborate posts on Instagram, but
she has different followers than I have, you know, her fans,
my hands whatever, and her fans at one point took
me apart of one of our early episodes that I
was over the top and wacky, and I think it
(10:01):
might have been the one we're talking about, the college
prep episode. Yes, yes, And I had to call Cynthia
because I was like, well, I don't understand what was happening.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
What's happening?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And I mean, this is how I feel a lot
in today's world. And she said, first of all, you
were absolutely doing the part that you were written. You
guys are Lucy at Ethel and you are supposed to
be You're supposed to lean into that because we know
where your storyline's are going for both of you, and
this was a setup for that. Because that's how Michael
(10:30):
Patrick thinks, that's how all of our writers think. They
have a long game, and not every episode it's going
to be clear what that long game is. You were
going to go to a deeper place. I was going
to go to a deeper place for my place. A
lot of it was rethinking what's important. And Charlotte's always
been the type of character where I get sucked into
the details, you know, the.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
How do things look? How do things seem?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Are we doing everything we could possibly do? You know,
like that's a very Charlotte or kind of an idea.
And so in those episodes that you know, I'm I'm
stressing over, you know, will Lily.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Go to college?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Will it be the best college? This is a very
real and relatable. You have grown kids, you've probably.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Been through this.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, right, twenty Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
It's incredible that you do that, but that you're there,
it's like amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
We'll get to that a second.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But anyway, I had to call something to get a
little pep talk to say, no, you guys are Lucy
and Ethel right now in the show, and that is
what was written and that is what you're.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And you cannot do Lucy and Ethel without.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Leaning into it. That's right, right, Yeah, And I just
want to thank.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
You for being there with me, who are just the
best partner. I could have.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
So much fun. I know, and it's hard. Some days
are easier, but for the most part it's hard. It
is hard, and you know, most people are like, what
are you doing next? I'm like, can I just process
this for a minute.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And Nicole just moved to New York, Yes, with her
beautiful husband, Boris, who we must talk about.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, so like, how are you, how are you.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Feeling, how's Boris feeling? How's the family?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Well? I was, I'm from Baltimore and I'm I went
to NYU. I lived here for thirteen years, then I
got soul Food, where I met Boris. In two thousand
and we moved to LA and we were in Atlanta
for a minute, and then we moved to LA. And
but I was always a New Yorker. I was always
an East Coast girl. I'm a city kid. And so
(12:33):
it was so obvious, like my family was so exhausted
by me. They would be like, we know, mommy, you
want to live in New York theater and me your
friends and be a pedestrian, so ella, you gotta drive,
like they gave me the monologue almost like every week.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
And then one day this year Boris came in the bathroom.
I was brushing my teeth or something, and he goes,
you want to move It's time. Wow. But I had
to act very cool because I didn't know if I
my excitement was gonna like make him backspace, backpedal, I
don't know. So I was like, are you sure?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Really I was very gentle. But we put our house
on the market, and I just you know, yes, the
show shoots here and I had an apartment here, but
I was doing it for my soul. Really, just not
even work, Like I just wanted this chapter of my
life to be in the city and or in New York.
I mean, we found a house. I had to compromise
(13:34):
because I like the concrete jungle. But Boris is from
the Black Forest. He's from the woods, and so if
we were going to move to the East Coast, he
needed city adjacent. Hated trees. Yeah, we're right on the
Hudson River. Trees. It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
And the dogs are thrilled.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
The dogs are like, finally we're dogs like chasing squirrels.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Love it, yeah, love it, love.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It, love it.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
They were very happy.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
So it is feeding your soul in the way they gets.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Feeding my soul. Although like Chris Jackson, who lives up
there too. I would have made the forty five minute
trek to work every day. Wow, to be with you guys.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, now, let's just talk about Chris Jackson for a second.
I'm going to have to find a way to have
him on the podcast even though he was never in
Sexas City, but neither were you. But I can do
whatever I want, right, it's my podcast. Chris Jackson played
(14:38):
Nicole's husband as I hope you guys know, and just
like that, and he's an incredible actor. He was the
original George Washington in Hamilton, which my kids are like
fully obsessed with him.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Now everyone is obsessed with him, I know, but they.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Didn't know when they first came to set. They hadn't
had their Hamilton discovery moment. And now they're just in disbelief, like, Mommy,
you got to work with him. I'm like, yeah, I'm
pretty sure you guys met him, but he wasn't dressed.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
He just didn't realize, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
So it's all very funny now, But you know what
a dream team you guys. I mean in my mind,
I'm just gonna say this. I don't know if it
can happen. I guess it probably can't, but like I
want to see your show. Oh wouldn't it be amazing.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I don't know how to make that happen.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
But your whole family's existence I love so much. Wow,
everything about it, all of your children, when you guys
get dressed to go to the funeral of your father's character.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Just it's a whole world that I want to be in.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I was just talking about this and that the show,
the writer's Mpka really did a great job in that.
You know, they didn't slap spaghetti on the wall, they
didn't make the Black Family cookie cutter. They really fleshed
out everything, like you know, the art on the walls,
the coffee cups I drank out of, and you know,
(16:11):
you guys made Karen Pittman's character reel and my character
reel in a way that I was just I was
proud to be a part of, you know. And so
uh yeah, I don't know. You never know, you.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Never know anything, Yeah, right, you never know anything.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I'd have Billy d Williams play my father, I mean,
what a dream and Jennifer Lewis, Jennifer.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Lewis, it was incredible.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
It's incredible. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah. And also that was Susan you know, that was
Susan fails Hill who really had had those inspirations and
basically wrote that part for Jennifer Lewis and made it happen.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You know, she's the engine made.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Remember the table read. Oh my god, she threw down,
Like the whole house was like what Oh it was
incredible at the table I know. I wish people could
see them.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I agree, because they are a very old school thing.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
They still do that.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Michael comes from that, you know, old old school sitcom
world where the table read was very important and if
if jokes didn't hit, they would get cut, which I
kept trying to explain to my pretend children, like please
act at the table read.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Because I want you to bring it, yes, say, but.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Their kids, and they don't. They're trying to be real
or whatever or quiet. I don't know what they were
trying to do subtle, but my mommy self was.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Like, guys, get louder, you know, hit it, hit it.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
But because back in the olden days, as is kind
of obvious when you watch the old episodes. Mostly I
am just wowed by the old episodes because I never
rewatched till now, which is part of the fun of
the podcast. I would watch once when it would right
before we to air, they would give us a VHS
and then I hadn't watched in many years. There's a storyline, B, storyline,
(18:08):
C storylin D storyline D storyline. You probably don't get
much because there's just not time.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
They're twenty two minutes.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Right, So if you went to that read through and
didn't give it your all, you were probably on the
timing block. Yeah, or maybe they filmed it and then
it might get cut if it wasn't strong enough, But
most of the time they would not.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
They would gauge it from the table read. Does this work?
Is it not landing? All that?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Right?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I remember the table reads being so powerful that I cried.
Oh me too. I would cry at the table read
while eating my little finger sandwich like yeah it was
rough sometimes, yeah, yeah, yeah, such good actors, I know.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah. And also the funny thing is that in the
olden days we were in a room like this size,
but do you remember how big our tables done?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Really lovely finger sandwiches? Sixty people. I was like, can
I take some of this home? Definitely? But also like
you're like at a theater.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I just like a theater performance in a weird way,
in a circle.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, circular theater performance. I know, it's crazy to think about.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And everyone always asks me, what is Kristin? Like for real,
but what is esj What is Cynthia?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
What do you say?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And I'm like, she is everything. She's so beautiful inside
and out, so funny, so sincere, and like one of
the through lines of the things I would I would
really feel about you three was that these are real women.
(19:42):
They have full lives, They don't have their head in
the sand. They know what's going on in the world.
They are humans to the fullest. Thank you, And I
was just I just fell in love even more thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, I mean I do think that's true. It's like
when you have had this.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Kind of weird level of success, which of course we're
so thankful for, but people really do think that we're
our characters and we're really not.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
You know, do you think that? Yeah? I know it.
I mean we kind of are, but we kind of aren't. Like,
I mean weird, since the characters you know of your
real persons are there, but the facts of your real
life are so grounded and human and actual like lifing
(20:31):
is happening.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I think is happening, and that you fit right in obviously,
which is such a joy. But the funny thing too,
is like I've been on other sets back in the
day before we started, and it's not that those people
weren't real or weren't grounded, but like the things that
they would talk about at work would be like shopping
or golf, you know what I'm trying to say, working out,
like very active.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Like you said, we had to become a family really fast. Yeah,
and just what I loved about, you know, people talk
about being a grown up. It's like I love that
we're grown me too, know, like maybe when I was twenty,
I would have talked to you about what eyeshadow you
were wearing, But like we kind of do still talk
(21:13):
about I.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Mean, we might have that moment of the day, right,
you might have it today totally you are as you
were killing a baby.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
So I was like, you don't understand. We have real
conversations about what's going on in the world, our kids, yeah,
our life, you know. Yeah, And it was very fulfilling
on screen and off. Oh yeah, that makes me so happy.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
And that's the thing, like your post that you posted
was so sweet, and so many like Alexander Bellow, like
so many people have posted, and it is so deeply
satisfying to know that we did create a place where
people felt happy and welcome, because that is so important
to us, and so important to us when we were reconvening,
because we knew we wanted to expand the show, and
(21:58):
we knew that we needed to make it a place
for people to be who were new, and we knew
that was intimidating and weird to come into a show
that you've already watched, you know, like, yes, where would
you rank that in terms of like on your mind
when you came do you know what I'm saying? Like
it was a different show obviously, but yet kind of similar.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I was excited got it, you know, it was it
was half professional, half fangirl. That's good, you know, Like
I wanted to calm do my best. Yes, I felt
lucky and honored to be a part of it. But
I was also the first couple of episodes just a
little starstruck, you know. And I'm a grown up, seasoned
actor and I was still a little like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You didn't see it? You didn't seemen at all. You
were fun. You were fun right away, you know, as
was so Rita.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
But the two of you are.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Like so chill, you know what I mean, you really are,
Like I felt like it was just seamless.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Wow, I did.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I really did? I mean I did? I did?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You know, obviously the whole whole costume situation.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I was like, wow, whoa, what on earth? Oh my gosh,
she can pull this off?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And whoa, it's incredible. But you were just like a breeze,
you know, like the Valentino moment. I mean like they
showed me when the head piece arrived at.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Costume remember that day. Yeah, I was like, I was like,
people in the back, it is a full crate, a
full crate of this incredible.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I'm sure you guys have seen the image, but if not,
we'll put it on the social media. It's an incredible
headpiece that covered her face.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Okay. I was like, what it was.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Like silence of the lambs under there? Yeah, like full
the Philip trecy made. It was on the the you know,
in Rome, the fashion show in Rome. It was just premiered, right.
I was so scared.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I was like, don't mean nicole wear this, but did
you not only wear it, you like run down Fifth
Avenue in that thing. I mean, it was incredible. We
could not have cast you better ever, and our wildest dream.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
You're just a dream Nicole, you really are.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I think it took like fifty years for me to
be who I was when I was like a little girl.
You know, my mom had bracelets and scars in the
seventies and Diana Ross in mahogany outfits, and so I
would play in those clothes. But I also went to
(24:27):
a private school, so I wore uniforms my whole life,
like second to twelfth grade. And so here I was
as an adult, and so I played lawyers and I
was very cool together and I was like finally, oh
you know, I love it.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Oh there's no better place to play in our world. Yeah,
as the others.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Had, and you know the wardrobe also, Molly and Danny,
they did a lot of kind of feeling research, like
what they wanted to feel like, So the funerals, see
for example that you know it was Coreta Scott King
and Jackie o at their husband's funeral, doctor King's funeral,
(25:08):
and they really knew the historic power and a lot
of the clothes that I was wearing absolutely and were
very intentional about that, absolutely, and that just made me
even more comfortable. So when she had to be two bags,
I was like, I trust you, girl. I know Cleo
Patrick must have done.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
This absolutely absolutely, and yes you should play.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Oh my god, what a great idea. We're never TD.
I know.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
The creativity just starts to bowl.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I know. I love it all right, is there anything
else you want to talk about before we move on?
It's fun.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's so much fun. You're just so easy and joyful.
I feel like you have just so much joy in
everything you do.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I really do remember when we were running around doing.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
That press, you just had so much joys.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I was exhausted like you were. Yeah, it was People
don't realize. It was like forty seven interviews in one day, and.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Like every four minutes, every four minutes, four minutes.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
It's hard and in heels and lashes, and I would
look over at you and just be like, she's amazing.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
And that's what I thought about you. You're amazing and
so incredibly chic.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Thank you. And for people who don't know, like it
takes a lot for Kristen to say that's enough, And
this girl would be like beat down, cannot even say
another word before she would say, can I just get
a glass of water? Just give me a minute?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
That's true too. Every once in a while, I do
you have to remind myself that it's.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Okay, yes, ask for a break.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, you know, because I think we're both really good
girls as much as we're also grown women.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yes, And I love that about you.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And I feel like that also was like kind of
a really special meeting place for LTW and Charlotte, you know,
like we had that kind of similar DNA.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, at the same time, we have to.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Be there for each other, Like it's okay to say
it's hard to climb these rafters or whatever the heck, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
It's okay to say that when you're getting up in
your extremely structured couture skirt at the funeral after sitting
on it for five hours or whatever it was, that
can we have a moment to fix ourselves?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yes, you know what I mean. And you would just
get a little bite of a sandwich, can I be like,
what do you do? You would get your lash fixed?
Be like okay, now I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's so true.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
It's such an interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
And I think it's an interesting thing about being a
woman where you just feel like you're supposed to be
all put together at all times, no matter what you know,
and and that it's okay not to be you know. Yeah,
And I also think this. I saw this other thing
and I wanted to ask you your thoughts on it.
I was looking at the press about the end of
(28:01):
the show, which is quite interesting.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I know, right, so interesting, so.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Interesting, and I'm collecting some ideas of how to talk
about it on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Maybe some I have some experts on.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Someone wrote in The Atlantic a really interesting article about
the lack of true dialogue in our social media kind
of world that is more just like shouting at each
other and not actually deeply looking at something, which is interesting.
And also there's interesting thoughts and ideas about the parasocial
relationship that people have with actors and celebrities and the
(28:38):
projections and the amount of projection and kind of losing
the limits of you know.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
And the safety of being able to project and have
no reciprocation. I can just throw right tomato sauce on
these people, right, whatever.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I'm feeling that day, right, because it literally took hours
of us saying that the show is ending for people
to be writing love letters to it, the people who
had previously been very angry or whatever perceived misstep we
had made in their mind or whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
It was really amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
So when I'm looking through the list of all the
different articles, I see this one and it says the
erasure of Charlotte Yorke And.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I'm like, wait, wait, what who who erased me?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
What?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
What? What? What?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
What?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
And I read the article and it was by kind
of a fashion magazine or digital magazine, I think, and
it basically said number one that when I started, this
is almost thirty years ago. When I started, I had
frills in my clothing and where were they?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Okay, that's thirty years ago. Do we not want to
change and grow a little bit?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Like Charlotte has stayed pretty.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
True to her fashion sense, what is thirty years later.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I don't really think I need any more frills that
I already have.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
People I have traverse the frill landscape right thoroughly right, And.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
If I were wearing frills, I think they'd be complaining
about that. And then the second thing they complained about
in this article involves you, which is why I wanted
to get your thoughts on it. Remember the scene where
we're walking, it was one of the last ones we filmed.
We're walking and talking about your flirtation at work. You're
flirting and you're kind of telling me about it because
(30:12):
you can't really talk about it. You're feeling a lot
of guilt even though you've done nothing with your flirtation
at work. But you're feeling bad because you have a
great marriage, right and you obviously your marriage is incredibly
important to you, and so you're talking to your friend
about your You know, I feel so uncomfortable about these
thoughts and dreams that I had. I think you had
a dream, right, So and I say something to you, like,
(30:34):
you know, you have a connection at work, and isn't
this what we want?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
You're in a creative job and you have a creative
connection at work.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
So the person writing this article was all upset. You know,
Charlotte Yorke would never say that. Charlotte Yorke would look
down on that. Charlotte Yorke would not be supporting that.
That's not Charlotte Yorke, right, like, very adamant and to me,
I think that's insane, because why wouldn't there be some
growth in Charlotte that she would be less judgmental than
(31:02):
she might have been thirty years ago. And also, you're
coming to me for you know, like reassurance and compassion
and empathy, not judgment.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Why would I judge you?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
You're not going to do anything, and I know you're
not going to do anything, So I'm trying to make
you feel better about your own thoughts.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Could you already feel so bad?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah? Well, I thought that that was such good writing
because it showed that, like exactly what you said, that
these two women are actual friends in the sense that
they really care about the choices they're about to make.
And then for you to say that was kind of
like honoring the morality of Charlotte by putting this attraction
(31:42):
in perspective like this is just a creative space that
gets the feelings going, but it's just a creative space.
I thought that was like the most wholesome thing you
could say to your friend and bring all of that
fire down in your friend and don't ruin your marriage right,
and don't overblow it right, and just isn't that crazy?
It's crazy? But I think when I hear that, you know,
(32:05):
I think it was more about the writer, right that, Right, that.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Doesn't seem like that at the time clickbait headline the
erasure of Charlotte Yorke And then you actually read it
and you're like, oh what, I don't agree with anything.
This person is saying, no offense to you, whoever you are.
I don't remember your name, but it just goes to
show that, like I feel like we're in the craziest time.
I know, behave myself behaved, Christen, it's a crazy time.
(32:32):
It's really just what I want to say, where like
it's like the forest or lost for the trees or
whatever that phrase is.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yes, you can't see the forest for the tree.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
You can't see the forest for there.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I feel like it's like that, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Like the nit picking, nit picking, nip picking where you
don't even know the whole what's coming.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
It reminds me of all of the family in a way.
Archie Bunker was representing a voice and they let him
say those things on the show, and then when the
Jeffersons were their neighbors before they had their spin off,
and every now and then Archie Bunker would have a
moment of kindness or clarity or open to thoughts, and
(33:11):
I read somewhere that people would get outraged that he
still wasn't like bam bam bam. And but what as
a kid watching that, I was like, I was warmed
by those moments, the complexity and the complexity of even
if my young brain couldn't process it, I was like, oh, right,
(33:32):
that's the right thing to say, you know, and childlike mine.
And that's how I felt about that scene.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
And you know what a wonderful thing though that people
responded to that we didn't even realize was our scene
in the pool. Oh. I got hundreds and hundreds of
comments about every aspect of that scene, the silence between us,
the the fact, I mean people saw our race in
(33:59):
that scene, and that how simple two women can be friends,
and that all the differences in them, yeah don't matter
when friends are friends. Yeah, I got just expose A's
on it.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Amazing And it was just see that we.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Both were like, don't fill my butt totally and I'm
bathing it's a hundred up to our neck exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Well, that's the power.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
That's the power of film, I think, you know, and
sometimes we forget about the power and the little things.
That's that's really well put and I'm glad that you
got that. And I also it just gives me faith
in the human race, you know, that they.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Can see good things, you know, right, Yeah
Speaker 1 (34:42):
You guys, this is so much fun that we're going
to have to have a part two, so join us
later in the week on are You a Charlotte
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