September 18, 2025 • 28 mins
We continue this provocative conversation with Sarita Choudhury and this time, the hot topic is: "Can you pull off two dates in one night?" Plus, these two And Just Like That pals feel their feelings on the entire Sex and the City universe and And Just Like That coming to an end.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to are you a Charlotte?
Part two? Thanks for joining us. Here we go. So
carries it home and she's, she's, she's, this is what
I find depressing. So she says, I wondered, were we
all just victims of conditional conditioned responses, doomed to repeat
(00:25):
the same unconscious relationship patterns? Were we all, in fact
just dating the same person over and over again? So depressing?
So depressing, I mean, but so good also so good,
so good.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's almost like a thought that is pre therapy. Yeah,
and more brilliant. Yeah, do you know yes?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
And I'm afraid the answer is probably yes. Yes. But
then and then we show we'll have some people talking
to the camera, which is also funny.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Which, right, it's like avant garde, weird theater line but
in dirty New York.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
So it kind of is cool. Definitely totally and it
gets better, like compared the first season, I think it's
really better, so much better.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
And it's a great device used well. But it's funny
at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
It is really funny. Yeah, you're like, oh my god,
regard to this, okay, And then we see poor Samantha
who's in her very red bedroom, golden red, hearing the
people having the sex through the wall, which I was
just like, oh, this is depressing me, This is depressing me.
That's how I felt. Then Carrie says that she's feeling
quote restless, yes, which made me laugh because she pauses
(01:40):
ever so slightly before she says the word restless. You're like, oh, yes,
I know what she's saying. And then she calls Dean
Winter's character. Yeah, we're just gonna call him Dean Winter's Yes,
his name is John, which is kind of funny, but
we'll ignore that. And she says something like, you know,
can you come over or no, We're gonna have drinks
(02:03):
after work at six thirty, yeah, which is interesting. And
he's like, seems like a very together Like he said,
I thought it was a finance guy. Later on we
find out he's like a phone cell phone salesman, Yeah,
which that shocking. Yeah, You're like you have to really
go back in your mind, like what is he actually
talking about time? You're buying time? But remember back in
(02:23):
the day where like you didn't want to use your
minutes oh, always right, No, right, you used your minute
and fifty dollars a week ago. That's what he did.
That's what he did. I thought he was like a
stock stock salesman when you first meet him. Yeah, right,
And then it comes a bit sad. It becomes a
bit sadder when he doesn't like sushi too. I remember
when he walks, am I jumping ahead for the I
(02:45):
don't care. He walks into the door into her apartment,
and you know what broke my heart. He was like
something about, well, I have I have a dinner plans
at eight and she's like, oh, no, so do I
I have. And that's when you know how insecure both are.
Because I think the problem is when you have someone
(03:05):
you just for sex, you are always checking to see,
but are they in love with me? I think the
truth of it is one of you wants a relationship,
you see. That would be me. And that's why I
always don't have a fuck buddy me too.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I don't because I always think, oh, I'm going to
be like the other girls and pretend it's not. But
of course I want him to be my boyfriend. My friends,
you don't, You don't exactly, but it's too hard in
the moment, like I'm just can't you just can't turn
off the other things.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
But I knew she was lying when she's like, oh, yeah, no,
I have right, there was something in it.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I was like, oh, that's so tenuous, our little lies
we tell to protect ourselves in dating.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Oh god, yeah, I know it was said. But I
also felt like, well, at least they're on the same page.
I kind of thought, you're right, right, You're right. We
know Carrie's not in love with him, even though she's
gonna give it her her best effort. You know, there's
something even about it, yeah, which I liked. But then
of course they mess it up, which was set so anyway,
then we go. This was the weirdest storyline for me
(04:12):
for Charlotte, because first of all, I remember nothing, nothing
of any of this. Sometimes I'm like, I don't know
what I'm gonna do. When I'm watching, I'm like, I
don't remember this. I don't know what I'm going to do,
and I'm going to have sex with these guys. I
have no idea is it?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Because it was such long hours every day, and because
we're shooting twice to at once, as you know, right,
and I mean, there are certain clothes that I remember,
like I have there's a cream colored dress.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I have it still in my closet. Sometimes I look
at it and I think, like, when did I wear that?
I don't know I wore it in this episode. And
there's a green sweater that I recognize. I have a
picture of Cynthia and I like a continuity type picture
of cooloroid from that restaurant scene. And I don't look happy.
I don't look happy. So I think it was some
stress going on in my life and lack of sleep,
(04:59):
you know, I'm saying so, so.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
There's like a sleep the hours you guys did back
then totally bonkers, totally bonkers.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
But I do love the weird storyline of Charlotte trying
to be like a man and trying to double book
herself so great.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It's so funny, and they look so modern. The they
look kind of like it's not that they could be
right now.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Like there's something definitely I love that. I loved it too.
I was worried that I was going to try to
have sex with them. I was like a Charlotte lost
her mind, No I know, but no, she hadn't. She
was just trying to date them, but then of course
it blows up in her face immediately, which is so perfect,
so perfect, And the one guy with the floppy hair
seems like he could have been a nice guy for Charlotte,
but she's now ruined it trying to take her girlfriend's advice,
(05:43):
you know. I mean, so this morning I was thinking
about that.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I was like, Wow, she took her girlfriend's advice and
this happened, And then I was thinking, we need our
girlfriend's advice, yeah, because it propels us. But the problem
is we don't need to do the exact advice. I
think we need to head somewhere.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I think we need to like like take it in
and filter in your yoga outfit, like, oh, do you
want to have dinner? I love that. I would give
me hope and I.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Was like, oh, but then when you had to leave,
and I was like, oh God, that's not Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
No, and it's gonna fabulously made a choice to kind
of it that it wasn't Charlotte. You know what I'm saying. Yes,
it's funny to watch your acting too. I'm like, oh, yeah,
that is such a cute, little fake scratchy throat I'm
doing there, but that's okay.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
But the more I love that kind of action shows,
I do because because there's something about this show that
sometimes there's so much you have to do and then
sometimes you listally they're.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Losing the light.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And like any show, it's not unique in that sense,
but because it's comedy, sometimes I find myself, even playing Sema,
there's a bit of egg in my face. I don't
mind it because I realized, for the pace of this show,
you can't hit everything perfectly. If not, there's no humanity.
So I almost like when I see something that you
just said.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, I think the egg on the face is integral,
integral needed, Yeah, definitely, And sometimes they write it, but
then sometimes it's just there. No. Sometimes in group scenes
it's always there because very hard and they're very hard,
and I'm learning to like them. I'm glad. Yeah, egg,
I'm fake. Okay. So let's go back to the Carry
(07:34):
and John Dean Winter's relationship. When they go on the date,
it's just the saddest thing sad world, and I feel
so bad for him because clearly they don't know anything
about each other, no other than that they seem to
enjoy each other. In bed. Yeah, you know, which is
something they know how to behave, right, They've got the rules,
(07:57):
they've got anstructed situation. Then they go out of the
constructed situation. It falls apart so quick.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I mean, it almost looks like he's never been to
a restaurant with I know he was.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
A burger and he doesn't like sushi. I'm like, dude,
you need to pretend to like sushi with Carrie. It's
so sad episodes.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You're right, I don't think any of the episodes had
that feeling for me where I was like, I don't
know what to do. I know it could be because
you and I don't relate as much to this dilemma,
maybe because people.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Think I also think. I think it's because I think theoretically,
like structurally, we know, for instance, that the Big Carry
relationship is going to have highs and lows and all
of the different things in sadness, right, yes, and we
expect that, right, right, But when we're outside of that,
we are not expecting kind of a one off episode
(08:51):
called The Fuck Buddy to have such sadness. Yeah. I still,
you're so right, because we expect that thing with Carrie,
his character and her art, but it's like she was
shocked totally. It was like she.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Thinks it's all gonna work out. Yeah, And also because
it's not. She's in love with him. It didn't have
to go that far to work out, and.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
He couldn't even get there. No, I know. That's what's
so sad. It's not even like we're expecting miracles, just
expecting a dinner to go well.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And it's like the law of the universe. Don't don't
mess with real feelings, don't invent fake feelings.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Or you just don't try to put like a square
pagan around hole or whatever that phrase is. It's going
to go wrong, right, It's so true. It's so true. Yeah. Now,
the one exciting moment of it all is when Miranda
leaves the angry guy at the table. Do you remember
he's like, so he's trying to get he's angry about
literally everything. Like at one point, she's trying to hail
(09:51):
a cab and he's like, you can't hail a cab
on that side of the corner, and she's like, no, no,
I have and then he hails a cab and then
he kind of pushes her in the cab and she's like,
but I like it when he pushes me around in sex,
which I mean, this is like such a big issue.
We could have a whole episode totally that.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
The only thank god it's Cynthia doing it, yes, because
there's something about Cynthia that's just like whatever. And then
other times she's like no, and both of those qualities
in her could handle this.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
You're not worried for her at all. You're not worried
for her at all. And she's kind of like, why
do I like it so much in sex but nowhere else?
Which is a good question. It's not really ever answered,
but it's a good question to just leave out there.
And so luckily she says, you know, he's going to
find out if he makes partner, and then I'm sure
he's going to lighten up. So then he finds out
he makes partner, and he's just bitching and moaning and
bitching and moaning about you know ours, She doesn't get
(10:48):
the pressure on him and whatever, and then she just
gets up and leaves.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
And it's super exciting. Is that it is super exciting,
and it would do you know what? It was that
even that relationship, it was like, wait, how did it
get to that point. How did how did Miranda think
that he was going to change getting without seeing it?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
It was a good point.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
It's frustrating. It was frustrating just to go on that journey.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I agree, And that's why the episode's kind of sad,
you know what I mean, because really nothing works out
that great. Poor Samantha try tries to break down the
wall between her and her neighbors and it doesn't go well.
Like it's just said, all the way around and not
even with Samantha, she'll take any sad situation and make
it still like a bit of a hip thrust and
(11:37):
she can't know. So that's why it's said. Yeah, this
reminds me of my mom at the time that we
were doing the show. In the beginning, she was really
mixed feelings about the show, and it makes so much
sense now. I mean at the time I was just like, oh, Mama,
it's fine, you know, Kristen, But she was like, well,
(11:58):
I just don't want to think that this is what,
you know, dating is like for you, And I was like,
it's not, you know, which in reality it kind of was,
but I mean not to this level obviously, no.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And also your mom is watching the show with the
lighting and with everything. You weren't you were, you were
doing the show and watching, so she was really seeing
the whole New York.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yes, yes, it was really not her world at all.
And this reminds me of something that we wanted to
talk about, which is the difference between the experience of
making a show, then the experience of watching that same
show that you made, and then hearing other people who
were not part of the show discussing it, and how
(12:40):
completely dissonant it can be. It is.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You know, I never want to come off as the
you know, when you're an actress, you think you get
better at understanding this, right, But I do this show
because it's such a cultural phenomenon, so people join in
without you being in a discussion, the discussion begins. So
I'm learning this only in this show. But I think
(13:07):
what's wild is the other day I was doing an
interview and I think that's when it really hit me.
I was like, Oh, she's watching a show that I'm
not watching.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yep, it just hit me. Finally.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I've understood variations of that thought, but there's no way
when you do a read through that's in your head
when you watch the show. The edits are like, oh,
they chose that we can't watch the show as it is,
And because people either love or want to talk about
(13:42):
or angry at some issue, they want us available. And
I sometimes don't know what they're saying because I've not
seen the same thing.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Definitely, Sometimes I don't know what they're saying either. Yeah,
I'm just like what, yeah, what, Like you know, when
you think I've used to it after all this time.
But that's what always tell me about you.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
You've often said something that I'm like, oh, she's not
used to it yet, which kind of makes me happy
that it hasn't, that you've kept this human kind of
like okay, what is this?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But also it just shows maybe we're not supposed to
be good at it, like right, you know. And sometimes
I feel bad because like someone will ask me something
and they have so much excitement, right, and I don't
know what they're asking.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Right. Well, Well, I think somehow we're supposed to be
experts about their experience, but I mean I do feel
like we're experts about what we've made, which people seem
to sometimes doubt, which is really interesting, right, because I
mean you should be easy, right, Yeah, which obviously it's
(14:52):
not easy at all, but also like we're in it,
I can't be objective exactly. Also we're in secure. We
barely pulled it off. So then when we're being asked
about whether to explaining that thing that was take number seventeen,
and I, oh, I'm so glad, I'm not embarrassed by it. Like,
(15:14):
you know, say, thoughts we have that are different. I
also think I think that I think that we're in
a crazy time, you know, culturally in terms of the
dialogue or lack thereof of true dialogue. Maybe like that
there's like people are very very black and white about things,
you know, in terms of like I hated that, I
(15:35):
love that, I hated that. I love that. There's not
actual conversations sometimes, yeah, and it happens with us, like right,
sometimes I'm in a conversation, even with a friend, and
they'll bring up something that they want to talk about
that isn't even in my scenes.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Right, and I'm not sure why they're asking me, but
they care so much, right, And so I'm learning anyway,
I'm learning because I never want I'm always scared of
coming off a bit like.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
An asshole.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
No, no, no, because when it happens. I people don't
realize we get hurt. Yeah, Like I first get hurt. Yes,
then I go, they don't mean it that way. Suit
you don't mean so then I try to understand it,
but that takes time, and they're just like looking at
me with this weird expression.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So but this is the thing, This is the thing
that I that I come back to. I mean, number one,
we can't control how people perceive things, right, We just can't.
We just can't. You It's like a twelve step type
of situation, right, Like, you have to admit like I
cannot control that. Second of all, we have to be
able to create, yeah, and we have to stay open
(16:49):
to be able to create. Yeah. And that's not easy. No. Ever,
I'm definitely not right now in time in our culture.
So there's some protection that you need to create for yourself.
And partly because of the podcast, I'm more out in
the world of the conversation that I would normally be
(17:09):
because I'm trying to kind of figure it out more
and use it. Because I love that you're being.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
How do I say this, You're being very like whatever
comes up to your brain is. I love that because
it's one thing you're not allowed to do with the
show because you don't want to offend people.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
You don't, you don't. I kind of find that very refreshing.
Thank you. It's scary. I bet it's scary.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
No, I bet it's scary because we mess up with
people's names, and but look at the love. Even when
we're talking about something that we're like, whoa, I still
love it. It's not I'm not going to talk about
it right right, I mean a British accent just came out.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I know. I love how your accent comes and goes
so much.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
When I'm a bit jet lagged, when I'm tired, like
a full two words will come out and it's like
a fit coming out of my mouth, and I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
No, all of it's good, all of us, because this
is what I love so much about you, Like you
could talk to Sarita about so many different countries that
she's actually lived in, like it is.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Well, can I say one thing talking about countries? So
I just came back and my friend Lorena is addicted
to the show, both the old.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
And the new.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
And it's so sweet because when we're there at Airs
Friday nights, here Airs Thursday and every Friday we'd be
at the beach and doing our thing and she'd be like, no, Sarita,
we'll go, but is dropping. It's dropping now And I
was like, definitely. And she knows me so well. She goes,
(18:40):
I know you're not as excited as me. And I
was like, no, I'm may be more excited than you,
and she goes, Okay, I know it's drama in head
with the actors.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I don't know. Okay, we're gonna go.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
And I watched Lorena watch the show and it's like
watching Spanish watch our show, getting It, getting It, and
I don't know, it's an experience to watch this show
abroad and see the love and see that I was
kind of and just hearing the comments I loved it.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
That's so nice. Yeah, it's so nice to hear it is.
I mean, we just have to do it and let
it go out there, and it's going to do what
it's going to do, right. And sometimes it's hard to
remember that because obviously there's a lot coming at us,
you know, But then I think that's also why, you know,
work together and we can be together in it all. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Right, That's how I felt coming here today. I was like, oh,
I needed this and I haven't had this. We've done
a lot of press, and I was like, even I
can feel it now, like I don't even know. Usually
I'm aware of my hair or my face or my
I don't I'm not really aware.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Like part of the things.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
When I watch it, it's going to be like but
but that's so rare, right, when you're in conversation on camera, right, Well,
because this is.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
What I love about podcasting is I wanted to have
the flow, yeah, right, and the only way to have
the flow is to just go where it goes. So
sometimes I apologize sweet listeners if I did not recap
enough for you. Some people want more recaps, some people
want less recap, right, But like for me, the joy
of this is being in it, yeah, with whomever has
come to be with me.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
No, I can't even remember what I thought we might
talk about because I'm literally just following you.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Which is great. It's a joy. I love it me too.
I love it too, and I love having you. I
love having it and I need it. I love having you.
I'm not having you, You're having me, yes, but both
being here. It's a two way street. Baby, I'm just
(20:47):
going to briefly touch on the fact that unfortunately, as
far as we know, we do not get to go
and be together for eighteen hours a day. I know,
still sinking in, still sinking in, not one hundred percent there,
totally so sad, so.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Sad and so beautiful. You're almost saying it in the
way I feel it like not real words are coming
out yet.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
It's true, it's true. But also I have been through
this before where we're saying goodbye, but then we don't
ever really say goodbye. And for me, we all are
so alive in me, you know what I'm saying, Like,
that's so beautiful. Christ do you feel I feel like
also this is.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It's so different from my feelings are one and then
there's yours, which is the first, and then a different iteration,
and it's a lot. But I love what you've just said,
which is often when you think it's nand it's not
whatever that means right, And that just made me understand
something right now. But but I'm glad when you left
(21:48):
that message for Nicole that didn't go that it allowed
you to cry, Yeah, because sometimes don't you find it's
when someone answers the phone that that's when you cry. Yes,
So maybe there's some kind of a trigger or some thing.
And I think also because Nicole and I, you know,
when she began the show was like when I had
to cry for weeks with her. Oh you know so
(22:08):
that because of Beig's death, right do you remember that
that was how we began our relationship.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
So I think there's also like this established freedom that
I have with her to share those kind of deeper things, right.
And also I was just trying to check in on her,
so then I was sad that she didn't get the
message because I was trying to check in on her.
Though my feelings like poured out. I mean, well she
knows it fully Nicole, yes, yes, yes, But I think
(22:35):
also it's interesting because you had left me something and
that just like just seeing your name and then Cynthia
did and then Sarah Jessica, And it was interesting because
it allowed me.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
When I heard Sarah Jessica's I was, I was, It
just allowed me to let it go. And also just
think of you guys, because you I don't even know
how this was able to happen and how amazing it is,
and you brought us on, which is so beautiful. But yeah,
(23:15):
I keep thinking of you guys, and I keep thinking, oh,
they must have so many different emotions different days, and
it's going to take a long time for you to
form a sentence for sure, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
But it's nice.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
This is my first public you're doing great sentence, which, yeah,
which is what a great place to do it. I
know it's a great place to do it because we're
free and we're just ourselves and there's no lens of
any other you know, journalist or whatever here.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Obviously it's just us. And I also think it's going
to continue to evolve, and I mean, I'm just so
grateful that we were able to do the show we
wanted to do, oh ch and to bring you guys
on such incredible bright lights for us, like inspiration for us,
(24:00):
grounding for us. It was I mean, obviously we love
each other, but we love you guys too, so much.
But you know, and that's not a given, right.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I think when people don't when people ask me about
you or and obviously I'm not gonna I don't talk
much about it, but the one thing I think that
shocks them is when I'm like, they're really regular gals
who are hard working actresses. They're actors and really regular regular.
Now it's funny you have real friendships between you three,
(24:33):
and I think that just sounds like I'm lying.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
So when I say and wouldn't it be fun the
story was the opposite. So then when I say, when
they're like, how is it for you? And for Nicole
and I say a similar thing, they must just be like, ah,
she's a fir, she's a lie. And I'm like, I.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Know you think I'm like, but it really is true,
and it it's shockingly beautiful.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I just want to say one thing. The eyepatch. I mean,
it was funny in person, but like when I watched
my birthday episode and Logan singing and your reaction to
Logan singing in the eye patch was so incredibly satisfying.
And then to watch you guys make out in the cab,
I was thrilled with the eyepatch thrilled and the shot
(25:24):
through the window, heay, that shot. Do you know how
long I spent in that cab, I can imagine.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
But you know what comforted me the next day because
like I had the eye patch and the angle. It
was cool and it was over and over. But do
you know what was interesting Gary from the Crab. Gary said,
we got to get shot of.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
You for that, and I go, did you? Because the
when I saw that angle it was great.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It made me give in to whenever I whatever I
do next is just to accept when they say it, yeah,
because when you're doing it, you don't feel I agree,
caught like stuff totally.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, You're trying to hold in your.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Stomach totally barely, and then you see it and you're like,
they got your back.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
It was fantastic, and I mean Gary always has our
back number one, number two. It was so reminiscent of
the old show it right, So you're so right big
time baby. It was awesome. I mean, so many of
your things are awesome. It just it just came to
my mind because at the time, of course, we shot
the birthday for like three weeks, three weeks, four weeks.
(26:30):
I don't I never even saw you there half because
we shot individually. I know, I know what a great episode.
I know, right, that was a great episode on you
about it like your stuff was hard. It was hard.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
It was made easier because Logan's actually very present. He's
a great, so good one.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
He sings that song people thought he was fake thing,
that that was someone else singing like, no, that's he's incredible.
He's incredible. I know. I want him to be on
the show too. He can be catching up with friends.
Logan calling Logan Marshall Green. We need you all right,
we could keep going. You can come back, babe. I
love you, please, I love you too, she remembered.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Thank God, So, Sorita, are you a Charlotte. I never
thought I was, but I feel like I might be.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I think you are. I think I am. I think
you are, But you can be part Charlotte, part others,
which I think you are probably definitely, But I just
want to say I am. I love it. I love it.
I love it. And I think you are because like
as worldly and kind of sophisticated as you are, you're
such like heart. You know, you're so open and leading
(27:45):
with the heart in terms of like your actual life.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
And I think there are certain like rules and what
made look like prudish behavior that just come from protecting yourself,
and also religion and countries and nature that make you
feel you're not as wild as people think you are.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Right, And you know, I do know, I really really know.
I love you so much. I love you so much,
so much, thank you, thank you for being with us.
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to are you a Charlotte?
Part two? Thanks for joining us. Here we go. So
carries it home and she's, she's, she's, this is what
I find depressing. So she says, I wondered, were we
all just victims of conditional conditioned responses, doomed to repeat
(00:25):
the same unconscious relationship patterns? Were we all, in fact
just dating the same person over and over again? So depressing?
So depressing, I mean, but so good also so good,
so good.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's almost like a thought that is pre therapy. Yeah,
and more brilliant. Yeah, do you know yes?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
And I'm afraid the answer is probably yes. Yes. But
then and then we show we'll have some people talking
to the camera, which is also funny.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Which, right, it's like avant garde, weird theater line but
in dirty New York.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
So it kind of is cool. Definitely totally and it
gets better, like compared the first season, I think it's
really better, so much better.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
And it's a great device used well. But it's funny
at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
It is really funny. Yeah, you're like, oh my god,
regard to this, okay, And then we see poor Samantha
who's in her very red bedroom, golden red, hearing the
people having the sex through the wall, which I was
just like, oh, this is depressing me, This is depressing me.
That's how I felt. Then Carrie says that she's feeling
quote restless, yes, which made me laugh because she pauses
(01:40):
ever so slightly before she says the word restless. You're like, oh, yes,
I know what she's saying. And then she calls Dean
Winter's character. Yeah, we're just gonna call him Dean Winter's Yes,
his name is John, which is kind of funny, but
we'll ignore that. And she says something like, you know,
can you come over or no, We're gonna have drinks
(02:03):
after work at six thirty, yeah, which is interesting. And
he's like, seems like a very together Like he said,
I thought it was a finance guy. Later on we
find out he's like a phone cell phone salesman, Yeah,
which that shocking. Yeah, You're like you have to really
go back in your mind, like what is he actually
talking about time? You're buying time? But remember back in
(02:23):
the day where like you didn't want to use your
minutes oh, always right, No, right, you used your minute
and fifty dollars a week ago. That's what he did.
That's what he did. I thought he was like a
stock stock salesman when you first meet him. Yeah, right,
And then it comes a bit sad. It becomes a
bit sadder when he doesn't like sushi too. I remember
when he walks, am I jumping ahead for the I
(02:45):
don't care. He walks into the door into her apartment,
and you know what broke my heart. He was like
something about, well, I have I have a dinner plans
at eight and she's like, oh, no, so do I
I have. And that's when you know how insecure both are.
Because I think the problem is when you have someone
(03:05):
you just for sex, you are always checking to see,
but are they in love with me? I think the
truth of it is one of you wants a relationship,
you see. That would be me. And that's why I
always don't have a fuck buddy me too.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I don't because I always think, oh, I'm going to
be like the other girls and pretend it's not. But
of course I want him to be my boyfriend. My friends,
you don't, You don't exactly, but it's too hard in
the moment, like I'm just can't you just can't turn
off the other things.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
But I knew she was lying when she's like, oh, yeah, no,
I have right, there was something in it.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I was like, oh, that's so tenuous, our little lies
we tell to protect ourselves in dating.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Oh god, yeah, I know it was said. But I
also felt like, well, at least they're on the same page.
I kind of thought, you're right, right, You're right. We
know Carrie's not in love with him, even though she's
gonna give it her her best effort. You know, there's
something even about it, yeah, which I liked. But then
of course they mess it up, which was set so anyway,
then we go. This was the weirdest storyline for me
(04:12):
for Charlotte, because first of all, I remember nothing, nothing
of any of this. Sometimes I'm like, I don't know
what I'm gonna do. When I'm watching, I'm like, I
don't remember this. I don't know what I'm going to do,
and I'm going to have sex with these guys. I
have no idea is it?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Because it was such long hours every day, and because
we're shooting twice to at once, as you know, right,
and I mean, there are certain clothes that I remember,
like I have there's a cream colored dress.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I have it still in my closet. Sometimes I look
at it and I think, like, when did I wear that?
I don't know I wore it in this episode. And
there's a green sweater that I recognize. I have a
picture of Cynthia and I like a continuity type picture
of cooloroid from that restaurant scene. And I don't look happy.
I don't look happy. So I think it was some
stress going on in my life and lack of sleep,
(04:59):
you know, I'm saying so, so.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
There's like a sleep the hours you guys did back
then totally bonkers, totally bonkers.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
But I do love the weird storyline of Charlotte trying
to be like a man and trying to double book
herself so great.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It's so funny, and they look so modern. The they
look kind of like it's not that they could be
right now.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Like there's something definitely I love that. I loved it too.
I was worried that I was going to try to
have sex with them. I was like a Charlotte lost
her mind, No I know, but no, she hadn't. She
was just trying to date them, but then of course
it blows up in her face immediately, which is so perfect,
so perfect, And the one guy with the floppy hair
seems like he could have been a nice guy for Charlotte,
but she's now ruined it trying to take her girlfriend's advice,
(05:43):
you know. I mean, so this morning I was thinking
about that.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I was like, Wow, she took her girlfriend's advice and
this happened, And then I was thinking, we need our
girlfriend's advice, yeah, because it propels us. But the problem
is we don't need to do the exact advice. I
think we need to head somewhere.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I think we need to like like take it in
and filter in your yoga outfit, like, oh, do you
want to have dinner? I love that. I would give
me hope and I.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Was like, oh, but then when you had to leave,
and I was like, oh God, that's not Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
No, and it's gonna fabulously made a choice to kind
of it that it wasn't Charlotte. You know what I'm saying. Yes,
it's funny to watch your acting too. I'm like, oh, yeah,
that is such a cute, little fake scratchy throat I'm
doing there, but that's okay.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
But the more I love that kind of action shows,
I do because because there's something about this show that
sometimes there's so much you have to do and then
sometimes you listally they're.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Losing the light.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And like any show, it's not unique in that sense,
but because it's comedy, sometimes I find myself, even playing Sema,
there's a bit of egg in my face. I don't
mind it because I realized, for the pace of this show,
you can't hit everything perfectly. If not, there's no humanity.
So I almost like when I see something that you
just said.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, I think the egg on the face is integral,
integral needed, Yeah, definitely, And sometimes they write it, but
then sometimes it's just there. No. Sometimes in group scenes
it's always there because very hard and they're very hard,
and I'm learning to like them. I'm glad. Yeah, egg,
I'm fake. Okay. So let's go back to the Carry
(07:34):
and John Dean Winter's relationship. When they go on the date,
it's just the saddest thing sad world, and I feel
so bad for him because clearly they don't know anything
about each other, no other than that they seem to
enjoy each other. In bed. Yeah, you know, which is
something they know how to behave, right, They've got the rules,
(07:57):
they've got anstructed situation. Then they go out of the
constructed situation. It falls apart so quick.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I mean, it almost looks like he's never been to
a restaurant with I know he was.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
A burger and he doesn't like sushi. I'm like, dude,
you need to pretend to like sushi with Carrie. It's
so sad episodes.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You're right, I don't think any of the episodes had
that feeling for me where I was like, I don't
know what to do. I know it could be because
you and I don't relate as much to this dilemma,
maybe because people.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Think I also think. I think it's because I think theoretically,
like structurally, we know, for instance, that the Big Carry
relationship is going to have highs and lows and all
of the different things in sadness, right, yes, and we
expect that, right, right, But when we're outside of that,
we are not expecting kind of a one off episode
(08:51):
called The Fuck Buddy to have such sadness. Yeah. I still,
you're so right, because we expect that thing with Carrie,
his character and her art, but it's like she was
shocked totally. It was like she.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Thinks it's all gonna work out. Yeah, And also because
it's not. She's in love with him. It didn't have
to go that far to work out, and.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
He couldn't even get there. No, I know. That's what's
so sad. It's not even like we're expecting miracles, just
expecting a dinner to go well.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And it's like the law of the universe. Don't don't
mess with real feelings, don't invent fake feelings.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Or you just don't try to put like a square
pagan around hole or whatever that phrase is. It's going
to go wrong, right, It's so true. It's so true. Yeah. Now,
the one exciting moment of it all is when Miranda
leaves the angry guy at the table. Do you remember
he's like, so he's trying to get he's angry about
literally everything. Like at one point, she's trying to hail
(09:51):
a cab and he's like, you can't hail a cab
on that side of the corner, and she's like, no, no,
I have and then he hails a cab and then
he kind of pushes her in the cab and she's like,
but I like it when he pushes me around in sex,
which I mean, this is like such a big issue.
We could have a whole episode totally that.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
The only thank god it's Cynthia doing it, yes, because
there's something about Cynthia that's just like whatever. And then
other times she's like no, and both of those qualities
in her could handle this.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
You're not worried for her at all. You're not worried
for her at all. And she's kind of like, why
do I like it so much in sex but nowhere else?
Which is a good question. It's not really ever answered,
but it's a good question to just leave out there.
And so luckily she says, you know, he's going to
find out if he makes partner, and then I'm sure
he's going to lighten up. So then he finds out
he makes partner, and he's just bitching and moaning and
bitching and moaning about you know ours, She doesn't get
(10:48):
the pressure on him and whatever, and then she just
gets up and leaves.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
And it's super exciting. Is that it is super exciting,
and it would do you know what? It was that
even that relationship, it was like, wait, how did it
get to that point. How did how did Miranda think
that he was going to change getting without seeing it?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
It was a good point.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
It's frustrating. It was frustrating just to go on that journey.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I agree, And that's why the episode's kind of sad,
you know what I mean, because really nothing works out
that great. Poor Samantha try tries to break down the
wall between her and her neighbors and it doesn't go well.
Like it's just said, all the way around and not
even with Samantha, she'll take any sad situation and make
it still like a bit of a hip thrust and
(11:37):
she can't know. So that's why it's said. Yeah, this
reminds me of my mom at the time that we
were doing the show. In the beginning, she was really
mixed feelings about the show, and it makes so much
sense now. I mean at the time I was just like, oh, Mama,
it's fine, you know, Kristen, But she was like, well,
(11:58):
I just don't want to think that this is what,
you know, dating is like for you, And I was like,
it's not, you know, which in reality it kind of was,
but I mean not to this level obviously, no.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And also your mom is watching the show with the
lighting and with everything. You weren't you were, you were
doing the show and watching, so she was really seeing
the whole New York.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yes, yes, it was really not her world at all.
And this reminds me of something that we wanted to
talk about, which is the difference between the experience of
making a show, then the experience of watching that same
show that you made, and then hearing other people who
were not part of the show discussing it, and how
(12:40):
completely dissonant it can be. It is.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You know, I never want to come off as the
you know, when you're an actress, you think you get
better at understanding this, right, But I do this show
because it's such a cultural phenomenon, so people join in
without you being in a discussion, the discussion begins. So
I'm learning this only in this show. But I think
(13:07):
what's wild is the other day I was doing an
interview and I think that's when it really hit me.
I was like, Oh, she's watching a show that I'm
not watching.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yep, it just hit me. Finally.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I've understood variations of that thought, but there's no way
when you do a read through that's in your head
when you watch the show. The edits are like, oh,
they chose that we can't watch the show as it is,
And because people either love or want to talk about
(13:42):
or angry at some issue, they want us available. And
I sometimes don't know what they're saying because I've not
seen the same thing.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Definitely, Sometimes I don't know what they're saying either. Yeah,
I'm just like what, yeah, what, Like you know, when
you think I've used to it after all this time.
But that's what always tell me about you.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
You've often said something that I'm like, oh, she's not
used to it yet, which kind of makes me happy
that it hasn't, that you've kept this human kind of
like okay, what is this?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But also it just shows maybe we're not supposed to
be good at it, like right, you know. And sometimes
I feel bad because like someone will ask me something
and they have so much excitement, right, and I don't
know what they're asking.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Right. Well, Well, I think somehow we're supposed to be
experts about their experience, but I mean I do feel
like we're experts about what we've made, which people seem
to sometimes doubt, which is really interesting, right, because I
mean you should be easy, right, Yeah, which obviously it's
(14:52):
not easy at all, but also like we're in it,
I can't be objective exactly. Also we're in secure. We
barely pulled it off. So then when we're being asked
about whether to explaining that thing that was take number seventeen,
and I, oh, I'm so glad, I'm not embarrassed by it. Like,
(15:14):
you know, say, thoughts we have that are different. I
also think I think that I think that we're in
a crazy time, you know, culturally in terms of the
dialogue or lack thereof of true dialogue. Maybe like that
there's like people are very very black and white about things,
you know, in terms of like I hated that, I
(15:35):
love that, I hated that. I love that. There's not
actual conversations sometimes, yeah, and it happens with us, like right,
sometimes I'm in a conversation, even with a friend, and
they'll bring up something that they want to talk about
that isn't even in my scenes.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Right, and I'm not sure why they're asking me, but
they care so much, right, And so I'm learning anyway,
I'm learning because I never want I'm always scared of
coming off a bit like.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
An asshole.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
No, no, no, because when it happens. I people don't
realize we get hurt. Yeah, Like I first get hurt. Yes,
then I go, they don't mean it that way. Suit
you don't mean so then I try to understand it,
but that takes time, and they're just like looking at
me with this weird expression.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So but this is the thing, This is the thing
that I that I come back to. I mean, number one,
we can't control how people perceive things, right, We just can't.
We just can't. You It's like a twelve step type
of situation, right, Like, you have to admit like I
cannot control that. Second of all, we have to be
able to create, yeah, and we have to stay open
(16:49):
to be able to create. Yeah. And that's not easy. No. Ever,
I'm definitely not right now in time in our culture.
So there's some protection that you need to create for yourself.
And partly because of the podcast, I'm more out in
the world of the conversation that I would normally be
(17:09):
because I'm trying to kind of figure it out more
and use it. Because I love that you're being.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
How do I say this, You're being very like whatever
comes up to your brain is. I love that because
it's one thing you're not allowed to do with the
show because you don't want to offend people.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
You don't, you don't. I kind of find that very refreshing.
Thank you. It's scary. I bet it's scary.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
No, I bet it's scary because we mess up with
people's names, and but look at the love. Even when
we're talking about something that we're like, whoa, I still
love it. It's not I'm not going to talk about
it right right, I mean a British accent just came out.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I know. I love how your accent comes and goes
so much.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
When I'm a bit jet lagged, when I'm tired, like
a full two words will come out and it's like
a fit coming out of my mouth, and I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
No, all of it's good, all of us, because this
is what I love so much about you, Like you
could talk to Sarita about so many different countries that
she's actually lived in, like it is.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Well, can I say one thing talking about countries? So
I just came back and my friend Lorena is addicted
to the show, both the old.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
And the new.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
And it's so sweet because when we're there at Airs
Friday nights, here Airs Thursday and every Friday we'd be
at the beach and doing our thing and she'd be like, no, Sarita,
we'll go, but is dropping. It's dropping now And I
was like, definitely. And she knows me so well. She goes,
(18:40):
I know you're not as excited as me. And I
was like, no, I'm may be more excited than you,
and she goes, Okay, I know it's drama in head
with the actors.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I don't know. Okay, we're gonna go.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
And I watched Lorena watch the show and it's like
watching Spanish watch our show, getting It, getting It, and
I don't know, it's an experience to watch this show
abroad and see the love and see that I was
kind of and just hearing the comments I loved it.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
That's so nice. Yeah, it's so nice to hear it is.
I mean, we just have to do it and let
it go out there, and it's going to do what
it's going to do, right. And sometimes it's hard to
remember that because obviously there's a lot coming at us,
you know, But then I think that's also why, you know,
work together and we can be together in it all. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Right, That's how I felt coming here today. I was like, oh,
I needed this and I haven't had this. We've done
a lot of press, and I was like, even I
can feel it now, like I don't even know. Usually
I'm aware of my hair or my face or my
I don't I'm not really aware.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Like part of the things.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
When I watch it, it's going to be like but
but that's so rare, right, when you're in conversation on camera, right, Well,
because this is.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
What I love about podcasting is I wanted to have
the flow, yeah, right, and the only way to have
the flow is to just go where it goes. So
sometimes I apologize sweet listeners if I did not recap
enough for you. Some people want more recaps, some people
want less recap, right, But like for me, the joy
of this is being in it, yeah, with whomever has
come to be with me.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
No, I can't even remember what I thought we might
talk about because I'm literally just following you.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Which is great. It's a joy. I love it me too.
I love it too, and I love having you. I
love having it and I need it. I love having you.
I'm not having you, You're having me, yes, but both
being here. It's a two way street. Baby, I'm just
(20:47):
going to briefly touch on the fact that unfortunately, as
far as we know, we do not get to go
and be together for eighteen hours a day. I know,
still sinking in, still sinking in, not one hundred percent there,
totally so sad, so.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Sad and so beautiful. You're almost saying it in the
way I feel it like not real words are coming
out yet.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
It's true, it's true. But also I have been through
this before where we're saying goodbye, but then we don't
ever really say goodbye. And for me, we all are
so alive in me, you know what I'm saying, Like,
that's so beautiful. Christ do you feel I feel like
also this is.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It's so different from my feelings are one and then
there's yours, which is the first, and then a different iteration,
and it's a lot. But I love what you've just said,
which is often when you think it's nand it's not
whatever that means right, And that just made me understand
something right now. But but I'm glad when you left
(21:48):
that message for Nicole that didn't go that it allowed
you to cry, Yeah, because sometimes don't you find it's
when someone answers the phone that that's when you cry. Yes,
So maybe there's some kind of a trigger or some thing.
And I think also because Nicole and I, you know,
when she began the show was like when I had
to cry for weeks with her. Oh you know so
(22:08):
that because of Beig's death, right do you remember that
that was how we began our relationship.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
So I think there's also like this established freedom that
I have with her to share those kind of deeper things, right.
And also I was just trying to check in on her,
so then I was sad that she didn't get the
message because I was trying to check in on her.
Though my feelings like poured out. I mean, well she
knows it fully Nicole, yes, yes, yes, But I think
(22:35):
also it's interesting because you had left me something and
that just like just seeing your name and then Cynthia
did and then Sarah Jessica, And it was interesting because
it allowed me.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
When I heard Sarah Jessica's I was, I was, It
just allowed me to let it go. And also just
think of you guys, because you I don't even know
how this was able to happen and how amazing it is,
and you brought us on, which is so beautiful. But yeah,
(23:15):
I keep thinking of you guys, and I keep thinking, oh,
they must have so many different emotions different days, and
it's going to take a long time for you to
form a sentence for sure, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
But it's nice.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
This is my first public you're doing great sentence, which, yeah,
which is what a great place to do it. I
know it's a great place to do it because we're
free and we're just ourselves and there's no lens of
any other you know, journalist or whatever here.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Obviously it's just us. And I also think it's going
to continue to evolve, and I mean, I'm just so
grateful that we were able to do the show we
wanted to do, oh ch and to bring you guys
on such incredible bright lights for us, like inspiration for us,
(24:00):
grounding for us. It was I mean, obviously we love
each other, but we love you guys too, so much.
But you know, and that's not a given, right.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I think when people don't when people ask me about
you or and obviously I'm not gonna I don't talk
much about it, but the one thing I think that
shocks them is when I'm like, they're really regular gals
who are hard working actresses. They're actors and really regular regular.
Now it's funny you have real friendships between you three,
(24:33):
and I think that just sounds like I'm lying.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
So when I say and wouldn't it be fun the
story was the opposite. So then when I say, when
they're like, how is it for you? And for Nicole
and I say a similar thing, they must just be like, ah,
she's a fir, she's a lie. And I'm like, I.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Know you think I'm like, but it really is true,
and it it's shockingly beautiful.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I just want to say one thing. The eyepatch. I mean,
it was funny in person, but like when I watched
my birthday episode and Logan singing and your reaction to
Logan singing in the eye patch was so incredibly satisfying.
And then to watch you guys make out in the cab,
I was thrilled with the eyepatch thrilled and the shot
(25:24):
through the window, heay, that shot. Do you know how
long I spent in that cab, I can imagine.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
But you know what comforted me the next day because
like I had the eye patch and the angle. It
was cool and it was over and over. But do
you know what was interesting Gary from the Crab. Gary said,
we got to get shot of.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
You for that, and I go, did you? Because the
when I saw that angle it was great.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It made me give in to whenever I whatever I
do next is just to accept when they say it, yeah,
because when you're doing it, you don't feel I agree,
caught like stuff totally.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, You're trying to hold in your.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Stomach totally barely, and then you see it and you're like,
they got your back.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
It was fantastic, and I mean Gary always has our
back number one, number two. It was so reminiscent of
the old show it right, So you're so right big
time baby. It was awesome. I mean, so many of
your things are awesome. It just it just came to
my mind because at the time, of course, we shot
the birthday for like three weeks, three weeks, four weeks.
(26:30):
I don't I never even saw you there half because
we shot individually. I know, I know what a great episode.
I know, right, that was a great episode on you
about it like your stuff was hard. It was hard.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
It was made easier because Logan's actually very present. He's
a great, so good one.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
He sings that song people thought he was fake thing,
that that was someone else singing like, no, that's he's incredible.
He's incredible. I know. I want him to be on
the show too. He can be catching up with friends.
Logan calling Logan Marshall Green. We need you all right,
we could keep going. You can come back, babe. I
love you, please, I love you too, she remembered.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Thank God, So, Sorita, are you a Charlotte. I never
thought I was, but I feel like I might be.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I think you are. I think I am. I think
you are, But you can be part Charlotte, part others,
which I think you are probably definitely, But I just
want to say I am. I love it. I love it.
I love it. And I think you are because like
as worldly and kind of sophisticated as you are, you're
such like heart. You know, you're so open and leading
(27:45):
with the heart in terms of like your actual life.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
And I think there are certain like rules and what
made look like prudish behavior that just come from protecting yourself,
and also religion and countries and nature that make you
feel you're not as wild as people think you are.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Right, And you know, I do know, I really really know.
I love you so much. I love you so much,
so much, thank you, thank you for being with us.
Host
Kristin Davis
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