November 12, 2025 • 45 mins
Is it ironic that Kristin and Mary Beth Barone continue their conversation and this time they are discussing the kiss between guest star, Alanis Morissette and Carrie. You Oughta know all the details of that kiss and the behind the scenes!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
This episode is called boy Girl, Boy Girl, and it
is written by Jenny Bis. Jenny Bis to me is
she grew up on the Upper East Side, like she
really helped Charlotte get developed. She came on was it
halfway through the second second? I think she came on
as a consult first, like a consultant was it first? Okay,
(00:28):
she came on a little bit and she said it
was just Michael Darren and her and sometimes she would
have to draw drawings on the whiteboard of how female
anatomy worked.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I'm glad she was there.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I know, I'm really glad she was there. To excuse me,
I'm really glad she was there too. And then Cindy
came and then we had two and then they eventually.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Rose to be executive producers, which was great.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
But it's funny to me that she wrote this because
I think of her as just really.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Like middle of the road, not edgy in any way.
Sorry Jenny, but.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Right, But it's interesting because literally this episode, when you
watch it in twenty twenty five, it is stunningly correct.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
It is very it is the time one of the
timeless episodes, I would say, and there are many, but
I just think also what's so amazing about being a
writer is that you get to explore sides of yourself
that you don't show people ever except on the page.
So I'm sure this was such a fun way to
like stretch those, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Parts of herself.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Definitely, yeah, And so I rewatched it before I got
here when I was in New York last week.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And I also want to.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Say that I love that those three characters that are
in and just like that they stay in New York
because I think there's this idea that as you grow older,
you have to leave and go do the suburban thing.
But I'm like New York for life. I've been there
for thirteen years. So I just love that they really
do like grow up in New York and they are
committed and they're like Icon's mainstays. So this episode where
(01:57):
Charlotte is showing an exhibit by a photographer who dresses
women in male drag, is happening at the same time
as Carrie is she is it is revealed that she's
seating a younger bisexual.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yes, who's adorable adorable Eddie k. Hill, who apparently has
quit the business. We found out because we were smart,
we were investigating adorable. I'm sure that's true. I don't
know his whole story, but he is adorable. And I
remember at the time just feeling like I didn't even understand.
I was like, that kid's so young, you know, even
(02:33):
for us at the time, and we were very young,
but we didn't feel that young.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
We felt like like.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Old Hollywood people, you know what I mean, because back
then you were supposed to be done at forty, right,
that was what they always told us. You know, all
of us were told by our agents and everybody to
be done at forty so you got to work now, which,
thank god, is not true anymore, Thank the heavens. That's
a good thing that's changed. Yeah, but it's not like
it's easy, but it's pretty much changed. But in terms
of the whole episode, basically there are lines where she
(03:01):
says things like, I mean, first of all, Carrie is
very freaked out that this guy tells her like I
had a relationship with guy and then a relationship with
the girl.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
She's like what, And.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Then we have this whole coffee shop scene where she
calls herself an old fuddy duddy, and yes she.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Is, and now we really are right, like now, this
conversation is so mainstream.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
It is, and I think you would be surprised at
how many people, how many women would still have hang
ups about dating a bisexual guy. And I think a
lot of things go into that. And I think the
main idea, which is something that I also talked about
in my special, which is that like I do think,
I mean, I don't have numbers on this. I'm just
hypothesizing that most bisexual people end up with men, whether
(03:47):
they're bisexual men or bisexual women. Because for women, well,
I don't know, I don't know the psychology, but I
know as a bisexual woman, I have always just sort
of assumed that I will end up with a man
because I've been dating men for twenty years at this point,
I feel like I know the expectations, I know the
rules of engagement. I'm totally open to being with the women,
right and I have been with women. But I think
(04:09):
the expectation is just that I'm so used to that
dynamic that I will probably end up with a guy.
And then it does seem like with the by guys
that I know, they do lean more gay, they do
date more men. So I think that there are still
a lot of things that as a woman dating a
bisexual man, you would really have to like interrogate. I'm
sure there's people that have no problem with it, and
when just dive in and head first. I think the
(04:30):
party scene is so interesting to me because that idea
of staying friends with your ex, the different dynamics with
like lesbian relationship polly amory, I mean that has just
exploded into the mainstream as well, where back then I
can't even imagine how that must have just felt like
totally foreign to most of the people watching it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
That we don't even use the word polyamory, because I
don't think we do it at that time, right, And
I think for us, like I remember at the time thinking, well,
this is an odd episode, you know, it just seemed.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Like, oh what is this is odd?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You know, like kind of over there, and now it's
just so everywhere incredibly right on that.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I love it so much, and I.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Love that she she keeps like, I mean, obviously Charlotte
is like, now, of course he's going to be gay,
you know, which, of course she would say that, right,
that makes perfect sense.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
And I do know also what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And I talked to also to Benny because of overcompensating
about I was in college. You know, they would take
bets on the freshman boys who was gonna.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Be gay, and.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You know, and then I had this boyfriend who was
a sophomore who had made it through the freshman year
and was still calling himself straight and later no, not
so much.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Not so much.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So I really relate when I watch over Compensating because
he was a great guy, Bob, Bob, and you know,
it's such a sweetie and such.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
A great friend.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So for me, it was kind of awesome, except there's
just some strangeness in the in the sex department. There's
some some mysteries, right, some mysteries.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Some unanswered questions.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, very interesting. But I was so young, I didn't know,
you know, I thought I thought.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It was me or first well, we always think it's us,
of course, no.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Matter, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
But I also love like the fact that this kid,
first of all, just seeing Sir Jessica is very like
pours herself into this, like more so than I remember,
or that I really realized because usually I felt like
she kind of kept that for Big for the Pig relationship.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Well, it seemed like this had to be one episode,
so let's let's get through the storyline.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
And I felt like she really gave it at all,
Like especially like they roll around and kiss and she's
always very protective of her body and whatnot, and he's
very sweet. Like it was so interesting. It was super interesting.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
And as someone that now I'm I never thought i'd
be single again because both of my last relationships were,
you know, talking about getting married.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Oh my god. I was like, I didn't think i'd
be in this phase end. But now actually dating.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I also think what's interesting too is that he is
so comfortable just declaring that he did and he doesn't
He's not like nice, he doesn't hesitate. But I think
dating I have, you know, you meet people. I've met
a couple of younger guys and it does just feel like,
oh my god, sometimes I feel like I'm twenty five
again in a thirty with the thirty four year old's
like nolability and being self actualized in that stuff. So
(07:17):
it's interesting to watch Carrie sort of try to like
fit in those spaces.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
It is interesting she puts the outfit on. You know,
she got the boots outfit, Mike got.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
The drag, got that outfits fabulous.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I meantimes it's fun to do that.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I think it's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I mean, when I was watching it, I was like,
good for Carrie because she's not sure.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
But she loves his kids and she's trying, and she's
trying it.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And she puts on those gold boots and that leather
jacket or whatever it is. It's like, it's an interesting
it's an interesting time. Mystary pretty different, I.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Know, but I like it.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
And speaking different Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Then I know, I know, and I do vaguely remember this,
and this is one of the things that I think
of because this, I think was the time there was
a lot of time in the beginning where they would
say like I played the frood, which if you actually look, no,
she's actually.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
She's getting railed.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Okay, I mean it's not let's not say that Charlotte's
doing stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Charlotte is definitely doing stuff way more than you really realize.
And this, in particular one of the things that I
love about it because also do you remember the Hasidic
Jewish character in the second season, I want to say,
I go to Williamsburg, your place of residence, and to
visit him. He's a client, and I go to visit
(08:31):
him and we get it on there in the artist
studio in Williamsburg, and you know, her art connections are
a way for her to expand herself.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And then there's who.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Changed the Georgia O'Keeffe esque paintings And I go to
Connecticut to see him and his artists.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Life, and I think her like, I think her engaging
sexually with the artist makes so much sense to me
because I'm like, well.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Duh, that's like so attractive.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Yes, these are creatives that are putting their art out
for people to consume.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
It's like, what is more attractive than that thing?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And I think for Charlotte in this episode, it's it's
so fun to watch her the discomfort, but then she
really feels in her power. And I find that even
with my sense of style, like I really do go
back and forth between being like hyper femme and then
some days I want to feel more masculine. And one Halloween,
actually Benny and I dressed as Courtney Kardashian and Travis
Barker and I was Travis and I had a bald
(09:25):
cap on and a.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Bunch of fake tattoos.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
And I didn't have to touch my hair for the
night I was wearing a suit.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
It was no for it just was like I was comfortable.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, And I feel like there is so much opportunity
now for women, especially to really like, oh yeah, be
on the spectrum of how the person so so much freedom.
And it was so fun to watch Charlotte with mustache,
just being like I need a bigger sock.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
It was good. I know, it was good.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
It was good.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
It was also weird, and as I said, I almost
wore the suit and then I was like I didn't
have time to get here in the morning and find
a tie. But it's I mean, Drew Barrymore wears this
every day.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I like, there's thank god, much more freedom, but for
obviously for Charlotte. What I also loved and I hadn't
remembered is when we're at the art show at the
beginning that I'm all like like unnerved.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
By him, you know, which is cute.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And I remember there's a great picture of us the
real I didn't remember it was this episode, but all
of Willie's there with us, and I've got the hoop
earrings on, which is very rare. I got the super
long ponytail, which was all Pat's doing and it works.
It works, and I think I might even have a
red lip. It was all very outside of my normal.
But then you see that He's like, I'm all, like,
(10:37):
can't talk, and I talk about cannapas, you know, in
my nervous way, I had forgotten all that. And it's
so so sweet and cute. But also like that, I
think is Charlotte's desire to like expand and go other places.
And Carrie's like, you ask him out, you remember this. Yep,
It's so cute and sweet and I love it so much.
But then when I do that was when Adam Scott
(10:59):
was just on one. We talked about Judy Chin, who
is our makeup artist, had done the movie Freeda Okay
and learned to do the eyebrows so beautifully, and she
did my mustache and she also does a severance and
she put a beard on Adams.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So she's working.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
She's amazing, She's amazing. She want to ask her. She's
one of the great top top, top.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Level and the most lovely person. And I remember really
having fun with like, how are we going to make
my hair?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I remember a.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Lot of talk about the physicality of it, and I
remember Donovan and I trying to figure out like we
didn't want it to be cheesy, yeah, but we wanted
it to be because I mean also, like now, I
was just in London for a wedding and I took
my daughter and we went to one of the art galleries.
I'm not going to remember what to won, the modern one,
and I mean they had all these drag drag queen
(11:46):
drag king pictures and my daughter was like, whoa, you know,
it's fourteen.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
But it was.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
But it's very very mainstream now, but it was happening
here and I think it's amazing that we put it in.
But I do love I do love Charlotte, and I
think it's like kind of underappreciated how brave she was.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Absolutely, And I think when you yeah again, it's like
I think sometimes when you think of the characters, you
forget how many, because so many episodes, how many different
situations they are put into, when sometimes they totally act
within their you know what you expect right, and then
sometimes they just totally surprise you. And I think that's
what's so fun about The Joy for sure. And I
(12:30):
don't see Charlotte as a prude. I think she really
wants to. What I take from Charlotte is she wants
her sexual encounters to mean something.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
And I don't think that's a negative.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I just think it's one approach to your you know,
the sexual side of life. And I think when you
see her in this situation like this, it's like she
is doing something totally new, something that she probably never
expected she would do. But I also love that the
artist saw her the capability that she could do it right.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Because at first I'm Charlotte's like, no, no, I can't
what like me? You know what I mean? And He's like, yes,
so sweet, It's so cute and sweet.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
But let's talk about the bisexuality thing, because it is interesting,
Like when you watch Carrie's whole struggle with it, what
did you think, did you think like, yes, she's so outdated,
or no you think no, I totally understand.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I think it is many people's experience even to this day.
And I think what's great about the show too, is
that you explore bisexuality in a different way when Samantha
dates the artist, and that's such a different type of relationship.
But I also really related to like the intensity of
being with a woman and how different it is and
you're always talking about your feelings and it's so fiery
and it's just like completely different than dating a man.
(13:40):
But what I find, Yeah, I think that Carrie's Carrie's
struggle and journey through this episode, and at the end
of it, she just decides it's not for her right,
and that's okay because like it is, like, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
You people have to be true to yourself. You have
to and you can't just do things because you feel
the pressure.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
And that question of like if you saw a man
and you were attracted to him, like what I I
think there's this thing people assume about bisexual people that
they're attracted to everyone, right, It's like, no, I'm attracted
to hot people on either side, so really it's not
like anyone's a threat.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I do think that's what she was tripping out and that.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
And that makes sense at that time, I think, and
people probably still have that question, right, but I feel
like it is me. There's a little more understanding of
that nowadays.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I think there's more understanding that it is the person.
Like at one point he says, no, Carrie, it's not
about right, the man or woman is the person.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That's what's so twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Five, I think I know, right, like kind.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Of amazingly so.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
But I also think that there is the question of Okay,
so if you were with a man and then you're
with a woman and you wanted to be with me,
would I be able to fulfill.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
All that you need? That's the question?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, But she doesn't never say that exactly, but I
think that's what she's feeling when she's feeling insecure, like
are you looking at that guy right?
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Because who wants to feel any more insecure than you
already do?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Of course?
Speaker 4 (14:57):
And I think you in relationship, it's like whether it
is a man or a woman that you think your
partner's looking at, it's like you don't want them to
be looking at other people anyway in general. So I
think that's also about just like having good communication and
being able to express insecurities without feeling judged. And so yeah,
in this case for Carrie, it was it was a
non starter, but I think she she tried.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
She tried, but let me ask you this. When she
goes to the party and they play this be in
the Bottle, which I also was like, how okay.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Interesting, It's like people are still they're still doing that.
What people just want to kiss each other. It's like
they'll do anything in a party. Just kidding, I'm not kidding.
Maybe not here in LA because everyone's so worried about
like how they look, But in New York people are
definitely horny. I find LA to be completely sexless. By
the way, said this before. No one's trying to smash anymore.
(15:52):
But I think in New.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
York there's New York they are and in LA they're not.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I do find that this is fascinating because I think
in New York when you go to a party, it's
obviously I'm totally generalizing, and I love generalizing. It's like
part of my job is no stand up comedian. In
New York, when you go to a party, even if
it's an industry party, there's going to be people there
that are in different industries, like different walks.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Of life, creative pursuits, things like that. Unlike Here's sometimes.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
When it's like a Hollywood party or something. It's like
all these people who are so worried who's looking at them,
who else is here?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
They're not really engaging with you because they're just like
looking at wells there.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
So's it's harder to connect and like flirt and be
like doing that thing of like I want to have
sex with you.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Okay, I don't, I don't. This is not my experience.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Okay, I need to go to the parties you're going to.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Maybe it's just me currently, not corently.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
But I do notice I try to pick up on
like sort of the vibes, and it just all feels
very like there's walls up, which I understand people are,
people are trying to protect themselves, and fame is so
stressful and scary, and so I understand there's like a
lot that goes into it mentally, but I just find
that I think New York people are more dtfeadante.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Okay, thank you so much. So let me say this.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I haven't been out a lot because because you know,
I've got the kids whatever, I'm in a different time.
But and I'm trying to remember, I mean, I go
out more in New York because when we're there sometimes
the kids are here, and I went out with Surita
one time. We went to this after party after award
thing because we've been at work and then we got
off work, so we just went to the late part
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and mostly we were just with each other, which was
really fun. But there there were some guys flirting with
us in a way where I was like, what what's happening?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Like I was scared ting me?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
That's so fun? Though? Is that New York of New York?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
In New York?
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Also, I do want to say I think it's changed
with like cell phones and camera phones and all that
stuff because people don't want to get like snapped, of course,
but I'm sure I think back in the day, like
with the brat pack and everything, people definitely you.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Know that's waving a lot more drugs and stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Yes, But I do think there's just been a shift
with the la vibe of like just me, me being
perceived a little bit too much to feel comfortable, like
flirting with someone that you just met.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
So interesting, that's just mine.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Let me ask you this, do people ask for your
phone number?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
No? They follow you on Instagram?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Oh and then do they do?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
They DM? And they DM?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Okay, Yeah, well, that's that's what they'll do.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
But I think it takes a lot more guts to
ask for someone's phone number in person than to DM them.
So it's like, if they're dming me, they're probably dming
ten other people, because it's like it's very low risk,
low stakes for dming.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
But does that mean that you don't respond?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I do.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
That's the problem is I do respond, okay, and then
I think it's a problem. But then my mind I go, well,
they're probably just damming me, But I know in my
in my part of hearts, they're dming ten.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Other people too, But who cares. It depends what you're
looking for.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Well, that's true, it depends what you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
But also like maybe if you then converse with them
in person, it might shift things.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
That's the hope, that's that shark it, that's Charlotte hope
that I carry with me.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Well, I'm glad you have the Charlotte hope.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
But I do think it is harder to make that
step in real life, right, totally, And I think it's
only gotten harder because of the apps.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
But I'm not against people dming. I'm not against that.
I'll DM people back but I have to know you. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, so maybe that would be. But back in the day,
when I was, you know, younger, and we were at
the height of the the you'd go out, Oh my god.
First of all, there was a lot of drugs. I
wasn't doing them, but there were a lot of drugs.
And second all, I mean depended where you were, right
but and the phones were there, but they weren't quite.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Like how they are now. Yeah, but also they were
just people were just flirty.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
My god, I mean that's what I want. When I
first moved to New York, it was twenty twenty twelve,
and it felt like it was right before the apps
just became like the only thing people used to meet people.
And there was just this sense of like every night
you went out, you could fall in love.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah yeah, I mean maybe you don't.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Maybe you meet someone and you kissed for five seconds
on a dance floor and you never see them, you
don't even learn their name. But there was this sense
that like anything could happen. And I do think the
romance of sex and the city just really like created
that environment. I'm just like, we don't really create it.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
We mean, we mean do they just we that was
how it was and we put it on screen. We
didn't create it.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I think for a lot of young women watching the show, sure,
it felt like when you get to New.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
York, that was your experience or your expectations. Yeah, I'm
sorry that it's not there, but it.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Is more there.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I think it should come back.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
And I also think that some of it is finding
like your group or your people, because I feel like
in LA I'm not totally sure because I don't go
out a lot, but I do feel like it's still happening,
but you have to find a place where it's comfortable.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah, well, I just I mainly hang out with gay guys,
so that's also part of my problem if I want
to hook up with people, but I have the best time.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
They're really fun and they're going to protect you, which
is nice. All right, let's talk about the episode for
a second. Okay, So my question that I want to
ask you, as someone who has open to people, when
Alanis and Carrie kiss, what were your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Well, since it's been the bottle, I feel like it's
pretty innocent. You know, It's not like it didn't feel
like maybe this will change the trajectory of Carrie's life
and she'll be open to dating women definite. It sort
of felt like, you know what it felt like to me.
It was a woman who is open to being in
a situation and she says, you know what, this is
just not the stage of life that I'm in anymore,
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and that's so fine and so fair. It's like you,
sometimes I think dating younger can be so appealing because
you feel like, well, maybe then my life I'll.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It'll just feel like I'm young too.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Absolutely, But then there's elements where you just go, I'm
actually past the spin the bottle phase of life, definitely,
and that's just not where I'm at. And I think
to know oneself in that way to walk away is
that's like what I think, that's what feeling.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I don't wish I was in my twenties because I
am self actualized now or at least getting close, and
I feel like that is a moment when the person
would leave that you feel like, that's if I was
in my twenties, I wouldn't mayven try to shoehorn myself
into the situation and make it work in your thirties
to just go I'll meet someone else.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Oh, definitely, definitely, definitely. I mean for me watching and
I remember thinking this at the time, and I don't
know if it was just me projecting because it was Atlantis,
I was like, oh, I wanted that kiss to be better.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Well, And sometimes you do think as a viewer, like
was it the actors or was it just the take
they used or at the moment, or was it propelling
story of just like how hard they go on the kiss?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Right?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Right?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Sure, it's always the thought.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Right and I know these are actors, these are real
people that are going, I'm kissing Atlanta's morse right now,
definitely's Morset's going, I'm kissing Sarah Jessica Parker.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I think Atlantis is totally fine with that and very
down and very open. I feel like, because we also
know the ending, right, there's always going to be that
frame that you're you're probably picking the take that you
felt walk the line sure of her being opened, but
her not being that into it.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
But for me as a.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Viewer, I was like, give in more, babe, enjoy that kiss.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
That's more. That's how I felt watching it.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Maybe carries the prude that's what we're going to change
the narrative.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I like that. I like that.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I like that, But I don't think we should call
anyone a prude though, because I feel I felt so
bad when they would say that to me for so
many years, Like every interview I would do, they'd be like,
so you play the prude, and I'd be like, so.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
That's that's just it's reductive, it is and unfair.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And then like at one point, I almost wore this
crazy Michael Kor's dress to the Emmys because my representatives
felt like people didn't perceive me as sexual and I
was like, Okay, now I'm just exhausted, do.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
You know what I mean? Like, what the hell do
I have to do here?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
And then in a show called Sex and the City exactly,
but I was the prude in the show Sex and
the City, or at least that was the perception.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
But obviously it all worked out. But like at the.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Time, I remember my my, my guy. People wanted me
to wear this, like I think Mariah Carey ended up wearing.
It was like the PC dress dress. I know, I
almost wore that. I almost wore that.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I was. I was scared to death too. Michael wanted
me to wear it. He's very sweet, but I was like,
how do you keep it on?
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Or whatever?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Then Mariah wore which amen to her right.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
But my my female pr was like, you don't have
to prove anything to anyone.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
You should look like a princess.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, and that's nice.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Interesting, it was interesting, you you know what I mean.
But it's true.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I didn't have to prove anything to anyone. But also
you want to feel good and powerful, right, So what
does good and powerful mean?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
But then all these other.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
People were everyone has opinions, yes, so many opinions, but
I'm not I'm not unhappy with anything that I wore.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
So it all works.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
That's good, that's I mean, that's huge.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
That's huge.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Oh, Miranda, let's talk about Miranda and Steve.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Oh my gosh, Miranda steee.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I just you know, I love Steve Meets from the
bottom of my heart. I really do, me too. And
I love how much he loves Miranda. Yes, and I
love how much he fights for her. I don't think
we see that enough in real life or on TV.
So true is just a man that is fighting for
his woman because he sees her, I mean, and the.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Relationship, fighting for the relationship. This is rare. This is
my advice to any man who might be listening. Nothing
will turn your woman on more than you fighting for
the relationship.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Yeah, and that doesn't mean, like, you know, show up
at the house uninvited.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
No, that's true.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Doesn't mean be a soccer.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
When she at the door and he's there.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
But I'm like, god, that would just be so nice.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I know, well, he's just so present while she's going
through her different like stresses, like I don't know if
I could do this, and I don't want to drop
things in front of you.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
And it's like, oh, it's so sweet.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And she's so good.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
But I also think Steve is a rare secure attached person,
a secure attached male, securely attached male character. Dreis Miranda
is avoidant, and I don't think we see I mean me,
I've read one book on attachment theory. I'm like a psychologist,
but I think we don't see that many avoidant women
on TV. And I really appreciate not that I'm that
definitely the insecure attachment type, but I think it was
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just it's nice to see that dynamic where she just
is like constantly pushing him away and he's just like
Noah and I want to move in with you, I know,
and they figure out how to cohabitate, and I think
that's really beautiful. Obviously that relationship takes a lot of
different turns, but so many I just love him.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I love him too, And at the time I didn't
appreciate it, didn't fully understand how incredible he was at
the time because I was never there when they were working,
really and then also I was like, what's going to happen?
I don't know. I didn't understand the trajectory. I mean,
none of us did, I guess, because I don't even
think our writers did. But I do love to look
at it now with now the what we know, because
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it actually does make sense.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I know it really does.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It does.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
But there's a lot of people out there who don't
feel that way, and to them, I apologize, But you.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Don't have to apologize if you don't know anyone anything.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Well, I feel I do love like like when people say,
you know, we followed you and I didn't appreciate this,
and now I do. Where I I felt this way
about this at this time in my life, and now
I feel differently. That's always so rewarding, right, Yeah, But
then when people have the opposite of like no, that
would never happen, then it's not rewarding. And then you
feel sad that they that they're not on the journey
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with you anymore.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
But they might rewatch it in two years and change
their mind. So I was, I said before we started recording.
Watching the show in a relationship in your thirties and
watching the show single in your thirties, completely different experience.
I was so smug when I had a boyfriend. I
was like, I figured this out that they never they
couldn't get there. They got there eventually, but I figured
it out. And then I'm watching it single, you just
(27:34):
go I am these women.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
So, Marybeth, I just want to say to you. Maybe
I shouldn't say this on your I want to say
this to you. You are a complex person and you
have a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yes, you do not need to be.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Doing some kind of preconceived like small life with the boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I don't want that.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well figured it out. I don't want that, right, Like,
you shouldn't even be saying these words.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Oh I'm glad I'm not in those either of those
relationships now good, But It's just like when you watch
it single in your thirties, It's just like that is Yeah,
this is what the experience is, and it presents so
many different things to the audience.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
You have a lot to give, and you have a
big career, and you need to put your energy there.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
This is why I am.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I have nowhere else to put it good. I put
it into my friendships, my family, my career, and my dog.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
That's I totally approve. I totally approve that good. I
just don't want you to be thinking like that you
failed or no.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
I think it's just like it's feeling more like I
would love someone to watch sex and the city with
that loves it as much as I do.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Well for sure, and those people do exist and they're
gay guys. No, I had Adam's got on.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
He's married, I know. I'm I'm happy for him, right me.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Too, Me too.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I'm just saying at some point in his life he
wasn't I don't know when he got married, but in
his thirties probably, do you know what I mean? So
like I'm just staying they're out there, you know, don't
settle in any way.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
If you are a straight man who loves Sex and
the City. My damns are open.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
But the other thing is, and you know this is
bad that I'm gonna say it, but like, sometimes you're
not gonna love everything that the other person loves, right,
But that's okay, yeah, jny me, Yeah, Okay, let's talk
about Samantha briefly. Okay, So Samantha's got the assistant no
memory of this storyline, okay.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
And neither do I accept rewatching and I was like, oh, yeah,
this is the guy that's like a macho sort.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Of I know, weird, weird, right, But I.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Love that the episode is and this is what Sex
and City does so well. It's the thematic nature of
all the character storylines.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
This is where we finally have that going your season,
second season. Sometimes it clicks, sometimes it didn't. Now we've
fully got it and I love it. But what I
did love that the crux of their storyline. Also because
we have so many characters, as you guys do on
over compensating. Also, you know you have ABC D storyline, right,
so you always know that you might have D storyline
this week and you'll have a better one next week.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But what my favorite part about that, and I don't
know if you've ever related to this or whatever. So
she's got this assistant.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
He's very cute.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
You see her at the beginning, she's like, I can't
find a good assistant in you. And then he walked
in the door and she's like, oh, okay, how are you.
But he's very arrogant and so he's like yelling at
people on the phone and she's like, we don't do
business like that, you know, and he's like, I do la.
So he argues with her and then she eventually fires
him and says the good news is now we can
and so then they kissed like in that frantic TV
(30:18):
way that we did, and then she pushes him down
on the desk and he goes, we can come the
desk and he goes no on the chair and she
goes no on the desk, and then the voiceover says
and of course Samantha was on top. Like that is
a dynamic that I still find interesting with men about
like who's in charge?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah, it's it definitely I think is still a huge
not problem, but it definitely comes up in relationships, sometimes
in subtle ways, sometimes not. But it's like if a
woman wants to you know, be in charge quote unquote,
then they're bossy. But if a man wants to be
in charge, then he's just like, you know, being the
man in the relationship. So I have had so many
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men call me bossy. I have never been called bossy
by a woman. So I just find that really interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Isn't it.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
And I love that Samantha, you know, say what you will.
She's ethical, She's not going to have sex with her employee. Absolutely,
she's not going to use power.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
She's going to have sex with him once she fires him.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Most definitely. I love it very much. I love it
very much.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
And I also love just the whole that you want
a strong man, right theoretically or whatever, but then who's
going to choose where you're going to have sex?
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Well?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
And then you know, men are constantly saying like they
want a strong woman, but then when you get in
that situation, sometimes their actions prove otherwise.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Oh I'm there, I'm there. I've been there many times. Yeah,
many times, many times. My ex and I think I
might have said this before. My ex at one point
told me that I needed to stop telling the cab
driver where to go.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I had to wait I had to get in the
car in the back. This is pretty uber, right, And
I had to wait for him to get in the
car and he could tell the cab driver where to go.
And I was just like, this is really hard.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
It's just it's the like nitpicking.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
And I was in a relationship where I would always
because my mom is like very brash and she is
just in charge.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
So she's the way we live in.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
My family's very natureful, six children, six kids, and she
had to run it like the Navy, as the military.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Imagine. I am too. It's hard.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
I would walk into restaurants and I would say, oh,
it's two for dinner, for for dinner, whatever it is.
I never picked up on that ever, right, it was
just like I'm walking in first and I'm telling them,
I'm telling the hostess what I needed why, And that
was commented upon is like every time you walk into
a restaurant, you're the one saying.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
See, that is not the guy for you right now.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I hung in with this relationship for a very long
time where I did try to sit in the back.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Of the cab and be quiet. But it's hard, and
why should we have to do that. It's so weird.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Why can't we just be equal partnership. It's an interesting
thing to me. Is it interesting how hard these things die?
Like they just won't like they're ingrained, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Know, and it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
It's also it's across generations, and sometimes you'll meet someone
who you think is so or thinking progressive, they really
get it, yeah, but then they'll still have these little
hang ups where you're just like, wow, that's just I
wasn't expecting.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That, right, And why can't they work on it?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
What do you mean that's just never going to happen.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I would love to find someone who's working on it,
because I'm working on it.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I know, because we're all working on it, right and
we're trying, I know.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
But yet you're also supposed to be, you know, have
a great career and be doing all these things on yourself,
and you know, blah blah ah, it's very hard.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
All right.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Is there anything else that we should say?
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Wait, this is the name.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I love the name of the shoot of the show
that Charlotte is doing at the gallery, Drag Kings and
the Collision of Illusion and Reality. I love it, and
I literally think that that gallery is the same gallery
we film in, and then just like.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Oh my god, it's still that well, that's amazing still.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
There, I know, thank god because oh the galleries are
relatively unchanged. Yeah, you know, thank god, thank god, thank
god they did not turn them into a store or whatever.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Do you know what I mean? You know what I
mean because you live there.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
And then I mean, I think Donovan is so adorable
and good and like interesting and the whole Bigger Stock thing.
I'm just kind of amazed in a way that we
did it, you know, and that that was like the
for play for the artists.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
It's good writing too, and that's what's so fun, I
think as an actor, and I've talked about this, because
we do panels. We'll do screenings of over Compensating and
then a panel and they ask questions and it's like
it's such a gift as an actor to be given
these complex characters to work within, and then it's like
it's thoughtful writing where you're like, this is fun to
be and it's fun to do it a few times,
you know, as as you imagine it, and then the
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director gives you discussion and it's like, yes, there's just
so much fun to be.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Had, I agree, so much fun to be had. Now
when you looked at the when you rewatch knowing that
we were going to talk and you see the four
of us talking about the bisexuality the coffee shop, did
you feel like we were very, very old school or
did you feel like no, that I understand why they
would be like that.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I think when I rewatched the show and almost every
topic you are talking about, I go, I understand why
they had that approach to it in the nineties or
early two thousands. It's like, it's about what you know,
the media, you were exposed to, the people you were
exposed to, how outwardly people of their lives. It's like,
there are so many storylines that I think, even though
if it wasn't handled the exact way that you would
(35:29):
handle it today, it's still put these stories in front
of a huge amount of people right that then say, oh, well,
I saw a Sex and the City episode about that
where you know, Samantha moves to the meatpacking district and
we're not saying everyone's represented perfectly because they're not, and
that would be impossible to have that expectation. Yeah, we're
going to get there, But I think it's I just
think it's great to even have the conversation. And maybe
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people watch it and they go, well, you couldn't say
that today, and it's like, well, yeah, oh, they weren't
saying it today. You were saying it when the show
was made.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
It's true for sure, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
And we didn't even have the knowledge obviously, you can't
know where you're going to go. Like, uh, Samantha in
that scene, the coffee shop scene, says that she's try sexual,
she'll try anything, which is cute, and I love that.
I know it's really cute. I mean, we wouldn't we
would say polyamorous now or whatever.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I like that scene because I do feel also at
the time we're being very true to each character.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
And that's what's so expertly done with the show, is
like just and and I think the diner scenes are
always my favorite, the brunch scenes really yeah, they're just
like it's just girls chatting and there they feel safe
because they know each other so well. They can say
things that piss each other off, things that they wouldn't
say in front of other people. They are so real
with each other, and those are the relationships that I
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have in my life that I just value so much
because I go, I could say something that I wouldn't
post online, but I feel safe because I'm with my
best friends.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Of course, of course, I mean when I do watch them,
they're so hard to film and we would always be like,
oh God, the coffee shop's coming, and we had to
have like every line like quick quick, quickly, quickly, and
we had to film it from every direction they got,
you know what I mean, and it would be like
all day, all day other day. But when I watched
them back, what I love is all of the behavior,
Like there's so much interesting interaction between the four of us.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Oh, it's like it's like micro movements.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yes, it's like also it's it's really And as an actor,
I think sometimes we don't even know that we're doing
it when we're in the character, but then the editor
picks up on it and you go, wow, that's suck.
It is that scene when she's describing a pear shaped
ring and also then Miranda has to admit that she
helped him pick it out, and it's just so good.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
It is something funny I remember about that at the time.
You know, this was pretty much the height of the
show in a lot of ways, and things started showing
up kind of in like pop culture that we were like, what.
And Gwyneth Paltrow was on the cover of Vogue or
something and she talks about that episode in there, and
we were like, you know what, I was talking about
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the ring because she was like, I so relate to,
you know, someone having them wrong.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
What I'm wearing. It speaks for. It was good.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
It was good.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
It was really so good.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
All right, So wait, I have something to say.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Eddie K.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Hill. This was his first ever on screen role.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Wow, the bisexual. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
I liked also how they wrote him as just like
an everyday guy I know.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
And I love how he's dressed.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, and they're ice skating, which I had also no
memory of, Like she's ice skating with a cigarette in
her hand, with her natural curly hair.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I loved it, loved it so much.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
And I don't really remember it at all at all
at all. Oh, apparently Sara Jesska just talked about this
episode with Howard Strn about kissing Alanis Morset. She doesn't
remember the scene because she'sn't like watching herself on TV.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
This is oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Then she said it was a big deal. I do
remember that.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I don't remember a lot, but I remember that for
a variety of reasons. I remember where we shot at
me too. I remember that I was wearing what I
was wearing. Most importantly and least surprisingly, it was just
a huge deal that she agreed to do the show.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yes, and I do recall kissing her.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
It was very pleasant, It was very professional. We were
both treated, we both treating it as a contractual obligation.
Sarah makes me laugh and act exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
It was very nice.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I don't actually recall feeling uncomfortable. I don't recall feeling
embarrassed or self conscious. She was lovely and she was
all in. I have no feelings other than that than
easy and buoyant.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Okay, that's nice.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
I'm so glad that's not what I remember, but I
like it.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Alanis Morris said on her kiss with Sir Jessica Parker,
what I remember is nerves. I just should be clear,
I'm not remembering anything negative at German nerves because it
was like not.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Something that everyone involved would be normally doing. Sarah.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Okay, wait.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Alanis said this to the Advocate. Her character was meant
to be reticent. So the kiss itself has got this
push pull, uncomfortable energy to it. But can you imagine
Carrie being in New York and not having questioned her sexuality?
Good point, alanis I love it? I love it. It's
a good point because it was written very clearly that
she is about to get up and walk away right,
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not for me, It's just me, which I also think
is so important to know, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Oh, and she does have the very very large carry brooch.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I don't think it's the first time she's worn it though,
I think I already had seen, but it was smaller.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
This is when we go into like this. This was
the big flower. Yeah with the boots. Yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I'm that dress I'm wearing is theory, so we still
don't have our budget no offense theory.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
And apparently this is one of my most memorable looks.
Who knew? I never know?
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Most memorable.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
People respond to a lot of things that are interesting.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Well, I think people really cling on to different stuff,
and it is depending on where they are in their.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Lives, of course, where they are in their lives, and
also like the current style like now, like all the
nineties two thousand stuff is like these are my very
vintage product two thousands.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Whoa, I just got into your door. Do your T
shirt yesterday? Tank top?
Speaker 4 (40:57):
At the real real I've been on the Hunt's from
two thousand and three.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
You should well that's the time.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
It's fabulous, that's the time. Yeah, it's it's everything to me.
Good purchase.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
They call it a grail. Yeah, and those are a
grail for sure.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Well, thank you, got a cargos, hang on to those,
put those in the safe.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
At home, I have a large closet that's a mess.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yes, hopefully it has a lot on it.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
It doesn't, but the house does.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Okay, good, so it's safe. It's safe.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
But okay, wait wait, I feel like there's so many
things that it might not have covered with you. Sometimes
when I have to do the rewatch part, I'm like,
it throws me off.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Well, you can always have me back, and if there
was an episode, maybe it's too soon, though, I think
whoever gets to talk about Matthew McConaughey, that is one
lucky guest, because what a wonderful performance.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Totally that was off book. He got to AdLib, which
was unheard of. But no one could stop him. I
remember also getting texted that day, and I can't remember
if I actually went, I would get text from Sarah.
We had our original BlackBerry, the tiny ones. She worked
on her little belt. Though there are all these cute
paparazzi pictures of her. She got it first.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
She talked me into getting it.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
We talked all day, even if we were together on
the set Journeyman. Of course, of course that day because
we were in La, where I had a house by
that point, and McConaughey like jumping on the table not
in the script, jury mean, and she was like, he's
at Limang, what do I do? Because Michael Patrick was
kind of against outliving.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Then Spawn ad lived. But then Spawn had John Favreau
come and they were like writing.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
At the chair. Okay, interesting, whereas McConaughey, you just didn't know.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
What was that Such a fun stretch of episode.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
I know, I know, I know, I was happy because
we were here. But also I do remember at one
point I don't remember this scene, but because I had
my house, they I was with them all because it
Charlotte comes late to La, right, so I was with
them all. And then they were like, okay, go home, Christen,
because we're not going to get back to that group
scene until I don't know what time I went home.
I went to sleep. They called me. I got back
(42:57):
up at like three am. I drove back to the
set in West Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
I mean that, no, no joke, my Beth.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I mean we worked till the sun came up all
every day time, Like it's amazing that we are all
functioning and friends.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Sometimes tensions can be high in those situations. Yes, yes,
lack of sleep.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
I mean that was all we did.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
So I think that was how we got to know
each other so intimately, you know what I'm saying, Like
we went through it all, but it was also our mission,
like you know when you have like how I'm sure
how you guys feel about overcompensating, Like it's it's your baby, yeah, dream, I.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Just want to make it as good as.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
That's all that matters.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
I know.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Okay, we did talk about are you a Charlotte?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
So how often would you say you feel like, yes,
I'm a Charlotte all the time?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
A few times the.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Hopeful part is present.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Oh it's like I really every time I get really
badly hurt, I think I can't do that again. I
just need to protect myself more. But I also think
there's a healthy approach of like I do just want
to put my heart on line because I think even
if it's not handled with care, at least I'm showing
that person that, like, yeah, we're still out here, and
I love being sweet to people. I love going out
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of my way acts of service, things like that, and
I'm like, at some point I'm going to meet the
right person who loves that about me.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
And they're gonna celebrate it.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
And and I think for me watching Charlotte navigate all
of those relationships and all of the ones that don't
end the way that she wants them to, it's like, Yeah,
we go through a lot as women who have hope,
and I'm never going to let that go. I just
have to really embrace that side in me and go, well,
I'm setting an example for you. Even if the stales
intends to you or whoever's on the receiving end of it,
(44:37):
I'm like, this is who I am. So this is
too intense that we definite shouldn't be together.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yes, w yes.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
And also I think it's it's going to help them
whether they're meant for you or not meant for you.
I think it's it's good to be open. I think
it's super important. And I love for design aesthetic as well.
You do the apartment, Yeah, I think, oh my god,
I saw your bedroom. I was like, wow, old fashioned fashioned,
so surprised.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
I love like I have a lot of furniture that
I've taken from my parents' house. I had my grandma's desk.
I just love that, Like it feels very cozy to me.
And that's how my parents' house is decorated. So I'm
very old fashioned in that respect.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I think that's so great because when you if you
just saw your comedy, you wouldn't realize.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
No, And I'm like dark wood and that's very Charlotte
wall paper and I have a bed skirt, And then
everyone can say that, yeah, I saw no, but Charlotte
would have all of those things.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
I do have a lot of those things, not the
dark wood. Not the dark wood, because my house I
grew up in had so much dark wood. Sometimes I've
just felt like it was just bowing much.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah you know what I mean. But thank you so
much for being here.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
My absolute pleasure. Thank you for having me,
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
This episode is called boy Girl, Boy Girl, and it
is written by Jenny Bis. Jenny Bis to me is
she grew up on the Upper East Side, like she
really helped Charlotte get developed. She came on was it
halfway through the second second? I think she came on
as a consult first, like a consultant was it first? Okay,
(00:28):
she came on a little bit and she said it
was just Michael Darren and her and sometimes she would
have to draw drawings on the whiteboard of how female
anatomy worked.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I'm glad she was there.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I know, I'm really glad she was there. To excuse me,
I'm really glad she was there too. And then Cindy
came and then we had two and then they eventually.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Rose to be executive producers, which was great.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
But it's funny to me that she wrote this because
I think of her as just really.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Like middle of the road, not edgy in any way.
Sorry Jenny, but.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Right, But it's interesting because literally this episode, when you
watch it in twenty twenty five, it is stunningly correct.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
It is very it is the time one of the
timeless episodes, I would say, and there are many, but
I just think also what's so amazing about being a
writer is that you get to explore sides of yourself
that you don't show people ever except on the page.
So I'm sure this was such a fun way to
like stretch those, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Parts of herself.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Definitely, yeah, And so I rewatched it before I got
here when I was in New York last week.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And I also want to.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Say that I love that those three characters that are
in and just like that they stay in New York
because I think there's this idea that as you grow older,
you have to leave and go do the suburban thing.
But I'm like New York for life. I've been there
for thirteen years. So I just love that they really
do like grow up in New York and they are
committed and they're like Icon's mainstays. So this episode where
(01:57):
Charlotte is showing an exhibit by a photographer who dresses
women in male drag, is happening at the same time
as Carrie is she is it is revealed that she's
seating a younger bisexual.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yes, who's adorable adorable Eddie k. Hill, who apparently has
quit the business. We found out because we were smart,
we were investigating adorable. I'm sure that's true. I don't
know his whole story, but he is adorable. And I
remember at the time just feeling like I didn't even understand.
I was like, that kid's so young, you know, even
(02:33):
for us at the time, and we were very young,
but we didn't feel that young.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
We felt like like.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Old Hollywood people, you know what I mean, because back
then you were supposed to be done at forty, right,
that was what they always told us. You know, all
of us were told by our agents and everybody to
be done at forty so you got to work now, which,
thank god, is not true anymore, Thank the heavens. That's
a good thing that's changed. Yeah, but it's not like
it's easy, but it's pretty much changed. But in terms
of the whole episode, basically there are lines where she
(03:01):
says things like, I mean, first of all, Carrie is
very freaked out that this guy tells her like I
had a relationship with guy and then a relationship with
the girl.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
She's like what, And.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Then we have this whole coffee shop scene where she
calls herself an old fuddy duddy, and yes she.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Is, and now we really are right, like now, this
conversation is so mainstream.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
It is, and I think you would be surprised at
how many people, how many women would still have hang
ups about dating a bisexual guy. And I think a
lot of things go into that. And I think the
main idea, which is something that I also talked about
in my special, which is that like I do think,
I mean, I don't have numbers on this. I'm just
hypothesizing that most bisexual people end up with men, whether
(03:47):
they're bisexual men or bisexual women. Because for women, well,
I don't know, I don't know the psychology, but I
know as a bisexual woman, I have always just sort
of assumed that I will end up with a man
because I've been dating men for twenty years at this point,
I feel like I know the expectations, I know the
rules of engagement. I'm totally open to being with the women,
right and I have been with women. But I think
(04:09):
the expectation is just that I'm so used to that
dynamic that I will probably end up with a guy.
And then it does seem like with the by guys
that I know, they do lean more gay, they do
date more men. So I think that there are still
a lot of things that as a woman dating a
bisexual man, you would really have to like interrogate. I'm
sure there's people that have no problem with it, and
when just dive in and head first. I think the
(04:30):
party scene is so interesting to me because that idea
of staying friends with your ex, the different dynamics with
like lesbian relationship polly amory, I mean that has just
exploded into the mainstream as well, where back then I
can't even imagine how that must have just felt like
totally foreign to most of the people watching it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
That we don't even use the word polyamory, because I
don't think we do it at that time, right, And
I think for us, like I remember at the time thinking, well,
this is an odd episode, you know, it just seemed.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Like, oh what is this is odd?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You know, like kind of over there, and now it's
just so everywhere incredibly right on that.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I love it so much, and I.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Love that she she keeps like, I mean, obviously Charlotte
is like, now, of course he's going to be gay,
you know, which, of course she would say that, right,
that makes perfect sense.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
And I do know also what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And I talked to also to Benny because of overcompensating
about I was in college. You know, they would take
bets on the freshman boys who was gonna.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Be gay, and.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You know, and then I had this boyfriend who was
a sophomore who had made it through the freshman year
and was still calling himself straight and later no, not
so much.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Not so much.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So I really relate when I watch over Compensating because
he was a great guy, Bob, Bob, and you know,
it's such a sweetie and such.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
A great friend.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So for me, it was kind of awesome, except there's
just some strangeness in the in the sex department. There's
some some mysteries, right, some mysteries.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Some unanswered questions.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, very interesting. But I was so young, I didn't know,
you know, I thought I thought.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It was me or first well, we always think it's us,
of course, no.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Matter, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
But I also love like the fact that this kid,
first of all, just seeing Sir Jessica is very like
pours herself into this, like more so than I remember,
or that I really realized because usually I felt like
she kind of kept that for Big for the Pig relationship.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Well, it seemed like this had to be one episode,
so let's let's get through the storyline.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
And I felt like she really gave it at all,
Like especially like they roll around and kiss and she's
always very protective of her body and whatnot, and he's
very sweet. Like it was so interesting. It was super interesting.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
And as someone that now I'm I never thought i'd
be single again because both of my last relationships were,
you know, talking about getting married.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Oh my god. I was like, I didn't think i'd
be in this phase end. But now actually dating.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I also think what's interesting too is that he is
so comfortable just declaring that he did and he doesn't
He's not like nice, he doesn't hesitate. But I think
dating I have, you know, you meet people. I've met
a couple of younger guys and it does just feel like,
oh my god, sometimes I feel like I'm twenty five
again in a thirty with the thirty four year old's
like nolability and being self actualized in that stuff. So
(07:17):
it's interesting to watch Carrie sort of try to like
fit in those spaces.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
It is interesting she puts the outfit on. You know,
she got the boots outfit, Mike got.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
The drag, got that outfits fabulous.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I meantimes it's fun to do that.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I think it's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I mean, when I was watching it, I was like,
good for Carrie because she's not sure.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
But she loves his kids and she's trying, and she's
trying it.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And she puts on those gold boots and that leather
jacket or whatever it is. It's like, it's an interesting
it's an interesting time. Mystary pretty different, I.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Know, but I like it.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
And speaking different Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Then I know, I know, and I do vaguely remember this,
and this is one of the things that I think
of because this, I think was the time there was
a lot of time in the beginning where they would
say like I played the frood, which if you actually look, no,
she's actually.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
She's getting railed.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Okay, I mean it's not let's not say that Charlotte's
doing stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Charlotte is definitely doing stuff way more than you really realize.
And this, in particular one of the things that I
love about it because also do you remember the Hasidic
Jewish character in the second season, I want to say,
I go to Williamsburg, your place of residence, and to
visit him. He's a client, and I go to visit
(08:31):
him and we get it on there in the artist
studio in Williamsburg, and you know, her art connections are
a way for her to expand herself.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And then there's who.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Changed the Georgia O'Keeffe esque paintings And I go to
Connecticut to see him and his artists.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Life, and I think her like, I think her engaging
sexually with the artist makes so much sense to me
because I'm like, well.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Duh, that's like so attractive.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Yes, these are creatives that are putting their art out
for people to consume.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
It's like, what is more attractive than that thing?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And I think for Charlotte in this episode, it's it's
so fun to watch her the discomfort, but then she
really feels in her power. And I find that even
with my sense of style, like I really do go
back and forth between being like hyper femme and then
some days I want to feel more masculine. And one Halloween,
actually Benny and I dressed as Courtney Kardashian and Travis
Barker and I was Travis and I had a bald
(09:25):
cap on and a.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Bunch of fake tattoos.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
And I didn't have to touch my hair for the
night I was wearing a suit.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
It was no for it just was like I was comfortable.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, And I feel like there is so much opportunity
now for women, especially to really like, oh yeah, be
on the spectrum of how the person so so much freedom.
And it was so fun to watch Charlotte with mustache,
just being like I need a bigger sock.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
It was good. I know, it was good.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
It was good.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
It was also weird, and as I said, I almost
wore the suit and then I was like I didn't
have time to get here in the morning and find
a tie. But it's I mean, Drew Barrymore wears this
every day.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I like, there's thank god, much more freedom, but for
obviously for Charlotte. What I also loved and I hadn't
remembered is when we're at the art show at the
beginning that I'm all like like unnerved.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
By him, you know, which is cute.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And I remember there's a great picture of us the
real I didn't remember it was this episode, but all
of Willie's there with us, and I've got the hoop
earrings on, which is very rare. I got the super
long ponytail, which was all Pat's doing and it works.
It works, and I think I might even have a
red lip. It was all very outside of my normal.
But then you see that He's like, I'm all, like,
(10:37):
can't talk, and I talk about cannapas, you know, in
my nervous way, I had forgotten all that. And it's
so so sweet and cute. But also like that, I
think is Charlotte's desire to like expand and go other places.
And Carrie's like, you ask him out, you remember this. Yep,
It's so cute and sweet and I love it so much.
But then when I do that was when Adam Scott
(10:59):
was just on one. We talked about Judy Chin, who
is our makeup artist, had done the movie Freeda Okay
and learned to do the eyebrows so beautifully, and she
did my mustache and she also does a severance and
she put a beard on Adams.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So she's working.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
She's amazing, She's amazing. She want to ask her. She's
one of the great top top, top.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Level and the most lovely person. And I remember really
having fun with like, how are we going to make
my hair?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I remember a.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Lot of talk about the physicality of it, and I
remember Donovan and I trying to figure out like we
didn't want it to be cheesy, yeah, but we wanted
it to be because I mean also, like now, I
was just in London for a wedding and I took
my daughter and we went to one of the art galleries.
I'm not going to remember what to won, the modern one,
and I mean they had all these drag drag queen
(11:46):
drag king pictures and my daughter was like, whoa, you know,
it's fourteen.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
But it was.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
But it's very very mainstream now, but it was happening
here and I think it's amazing that we put it in.
But I do love I do love Charlotte, and I
think it's like kind of underappreciated how brave she was.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Absolutely, And I think when you yeah again, it's like
I think sometimes when you think of the characters, you
forget how many, because so many episodes, how many different
situations they are put into, when sometimes they totally act
within their you know what you expect right, and then
sometimes they just totally surprise you. And I think that's
what's so fun about The Joy for sure. And I
(12:30):
don't see Charlotte as a prude. I think she really
wants to. What I take from Charlotte is she wants
her sexual encounters to mean something.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
And I don't think that's a negative.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I just think it's one approach to your you know,
the sexual side of life. And I think when you
see her in this situation like this, it's like she
is doing something totally new, something that she probably never
expected she would do. But I also love that the
artist saw her the capability that she could do it right.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Because at first I'm Charlotte's like, no, no, I can't
what like me? You know what I mean? And He's like, yes,
so sweet, It's so cute and sweet.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
But let's talk about the bisexuality thing, because it is interesting,
Like when you watch Carrie's whole struggle with it, what
did you think, did you think like, yes, she's so outdated,
or no you think no, I totally understand.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I think it is many people's experience even to this day.
And I think what's great about the show too, is
that you explore bisexuality in a different way when Samantha
dates the artist, and that's such a different type of relationship.
But I also really related to like the intensity of
being with a woman and how different it is and
you're always talking about your feelings and it's so fiery
and it's just like completely different than dating a man.
(13:40):
But what I find, Yeah, I think that Carrie's Carrie's
struggle and journey through this episode, and at the end
of it, she just decides it's not for her right,
and that's okay because like it is, like, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
You people have to be true to yourself. You have
to and you can't just do things because you feel
the pressure.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
And that question of like if you saw a man
and you were attracted to him, like what I I
think there's this thing people assume about bisexual people that
they're attracted to everyone, right, It's like, no, I'm attracted
to hot people on either side, so really it's not
like anyone's a threat.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I do think that's what she was tripping out and that.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
And that makes sense at that time, I think, and
people probably still have that question, right, but I feel
like it is me. There's a little more understanding of
that nowadays.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I think there's more understanding that it is the person.
Like at one point he says, no, Carrie, it's not
about right, the man or woman is the person.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That's what's so twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Five, I think I know, right, like kind.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Of amazingly so.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
But I also think that there is the question of Okay,
so if you were with a man and then you're
with a woman and you wanted to be with me,
would I be able to fulfill.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
All that you need? That's the question?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, But she doesn't never say that exactly, but I
think that's what she's feeling when she's feeling insecure, like
are you looking at that guy right?
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Because who wants to feel any more insecure than you
already do?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Of course?
Speaker 4 (14:57):
And I think you in relationship, it's like whether it
is a man or a woman that you think your
partner's looking at, it's like you don't want them to
be looking at other people anyway in general. So I
think that's also about just like having good communication and
being able to express insecurities without feeling judged. And so yeah,
in this case for Carrie, it was it was a
non starter, but I think she she tried.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
She tried, but let me ask you this. When she
goes to the party and they play this be in
the Bottle, which I also was like, how okay.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Interesting, It's like people are still they're still doing that.
What people just want to kiss each other. It's like
they'll do anything in a party. Just kidding, I'm not kidding.
Maybe not here in LA because everyone's so worried about
like how they look, But in New York people are
definitely horny. I find LA to be completely sexless. By
the way, said this before. No one's trying to smash anymore.
(15:52):
But I think in New.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
York there's New York they are and in LA they're not.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I do find that this is fascinating because I think
in New York when you go to a party, it's
obviously I'm totally generalizing, and I love generalizing. It's like
part of my job is no stand up comedian. In
New York, when you go to a party, even if
it's an industry party, there's going to be people there
that are in different industries, like different walks.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Of life, creative pursuits, things like that. Unlike Here's sometimes.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
When it's like a Hollywood party or something. It's like
all these people who are so worried who's looking at them,
who else is here?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
They're not really engaging with you because they're just like
looking at wells there.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
So's it's harder to connect and like flirt and be
like doing that thing of like I want to have
sex with you.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Okay, I don't, I don't. This is not my experience.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Okay, I need to go to the parties you're going to.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Maybe it's just me currently, not corently.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
But I do notice I try to pick up on
like sort of the vibes, and it just all feels
very like there's walls up, which I understand people are,
people are trying to protect themselves, and fame is so
stressful and scary, and so I understand there's like a
lot that goes into it mentally, but I just find
that I think New York people are more dtfeadante.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Okay, thank you so much. So let me say this.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I haven't been out a lot because because you know,
I've got the kids whatever, I'm in a different time.
But and I'm trying to remember, I mean, I go
out more in New York because when we're there sometimes
the kids are here, and I went out with Surita
one time. We went to this after party after award
thing because we've been at work and then we got
off work, so we just went to the late part
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and mostly we were just with each other, which was
really fun. But there there were some guys flirting with
us in a way where I was like, what what's happening?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Like I was scared ting me?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
That's so fun? Though? Is that New York of New York?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
In New York?
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Also, I do want to say I think it's changed
with like cell phones and camera phones and all that
stuff because people don't want to get like snapped, of course,
but I'm sure I think back in the day, like
with the brat pack and everything, people definitely you.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Know that's waving a lot more drugs and stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Yes, But I do think there's just been a shift
with the la vibe of like just me, me being
perceived a little bit too much to feel comfortable, like
flirting with someone that you just met.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
So interesting, that's just mine.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Let me ask you this, do people ask for your
phone number?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
No? They follow you on Instagram?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Oh and then do they do?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
They DM? And they DM?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Okay, Yeah, well, that's that's what they'll do.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
But I think it takes a lot more guts to
ask for someone's phone number in person than to DM them.
So it's like, if they're dming me, they're probably dming
ten other people, because it's like it's very low risk,
low stakes for dming.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
But does that mean that you don't respond?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I do.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
That's the problem is I do respond, okay, and then
I think it's a problem. But then my mind I go, well,
they're probably just damming me, But I know in my
in my part of hearts, they're dming ten.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Other people too, But who cares. It depends what you're
looking for.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Well, that's true, it depends what you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
But also like maybe if you then converse with them
in person, it might shift things.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
That's the hope, that's that shark it, that's Charlotte hope
that I carry with me.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Well, I'm glad you have the Charlotte hope.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
But I do think it is harder to make that
step in real life, right, totally, And I think it's
only gotten harder because of the apps.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
But I'm not against people dming. I'm not against that.
I'll DM people back but I have to know you. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, so maybe that would be. But back in the day,
when I was, you know, younger, and we were at
the height of the the you'd go out, Oh my god.
First of all, there was a lot of drugs. I
wasn't doing them, but there were a lot of drugs.
And second all, I mean depended where you were, right
but and the phones were there, but they weren't quite.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Like how they are now. Yeah, but also they were
just people were just flirty.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
My god, I mean that's what I want. When I
first moved to New York, it was twenty twenty twelve,
and it felt like it was right before the apps
just became like the only thing people used to meet people.
And there was just this sense of like every night
you went out, you could fall in love.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah yeah, I mean maybe you don't.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Maybe you meet someone and you kissed for five seconds
on a dance floor and you never see them, you
don't even learn their name. But there was this sense
that like anything could happen. And I do think the
romance of sex and the city just really like created
that environment. I'm just like, we don't really create it.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
We mean, we mean do they just we that was
how it was and we put it on screen. We
didn't create it.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I think for a lot of young women watching the show, sure,
it felt like when you get to New.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
York, that was your experience or your expectations. Yeah, I'm
sorry that it's not there, but it.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Is more there.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I think it should come back.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
And I also think that some of it is finding
like your group or your people, because I feel like
in LA I'm not totally sure because I don't go
out a lot, but I do feel like it's still happening,
but you have to find a place where it's comfortable.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah, well, I just I mainly hang out with gay guys,
so that's also part of my problem if I want
to hook up with people, but I have the best time.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
They're really fun and they're going to protect you, which
is nice. All right, let's talk about the episode for
a second. Okay, So my question that I want to
ask you, as someone who has open to people, when
Alanis and Carrie kiss, what were your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Well, since it's been the bottle, I feel like it's
pretty innocent. You know, It's not like it didn't feel
like maybe this will change the trajectory of Carrie's life
and she'll be open to dating women definite. It sort
of felt like, you know what it felt like to me.
It was a woman who is open to being in
a situation and she says, you know what, this is
just not the stage of life that I'm in anymore,
(21:20):
and that's so fine and so fair. It's like you,
sometimes I think dating younger can be so appealing because
you feel like, well, maybe then my life I'll.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It'll just feel like I'm young too.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Absolutely, But then there's elements where you just go, I'm
actually past the spin the bottle phase of life, definitely,
and that's just not where I'm at. And I think
to know oneself in that way to walk away is
that's like what I think, that's what feeling.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I don't wish I was in my twenties because I
am self actualized now or at least getting close, and
I feel like that is a moment when the person
would leave that you feel like, that's if I was
in my twenties, I wouldn't mayven try to shoehorn myself
into the situation and make it work in your thirties
to just go I'll meet someone else.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Oh, definitely, definitely, definitely. I mean for me watching and
I remember thinking this at the time, and I don't
know if it was just me projecting because it was Atlantis,
I was like, oh, I wanted that kiss to be better.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Well, And sometimes you do think as a viewer, like
was it the actors or was it just the take
they used or at the moment, or was it propelling
story of just like how hard they go on the kiss?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Right?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Right?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Sure, it's always the thought.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Right and I know these are actors, these are real
people that are going, I'm kissing Atlanta's morse right now,
definitely's Morset's going, I'm kissing Sarah Jessica Parker.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I think Atlantis is totally fine with that and very
down and very open. I feel like, because we also
know the ending, right, there's always going to be that
frame that you're you're probably picking the take that you
felt walk the line sure of her being opened, but
her not being that into it.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
But for me as a.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Viewer, I was like, give in more, babe, enjoy that kiss.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
That's more. That's how I felt watching it.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Maybe carries the prude that's what we're going to change
the narrative.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I like that. I like that.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I like that, But I don't think we should call
anyone a prude though, because I feel I felt so
bad when they would say that to me for so
many years, Like every interview I would do, they'd be like,
so you play the prude, and I'd be like, so.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
That's that's just it's reductive, it is and unfair.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And then like at one point, I almost wore this
crazy Michael Kor's dress to the Emmys because my representatives
felt like people didn't perceive me as sexual and I
was like, Okay, now I'm just exhausted, do.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
You know what I mean? Like, what the hell do
I have to do here?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
And then in a show called Sex and the City exactly,
but I was the prude in the show Sex and
the City, or at least that was the perception.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
But obviously it all worked out. But like at the.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Time, I remember my my, my guy. People wanted me
to wear this, like I think Mariah Carey ended up wearing.
It was like the PC dress dress. I know, I
almost wore that. I almost wore that.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I was. I was scared to death too. Michael wanted
me to wear it. He's very sweet, but I was like,
how do you keep it on?
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Or whatever?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Then Mariah wore which amen to her right.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
But my my female pr was like, you don't have
to prove anything to anyone.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
You should look like a princess.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, and that's nice.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Interesting, it was interesting, you you know what I mean.
But it's true.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I didn't have to prove anything to anyone. But also
you want to feel good and powerful, right, So what
does good and powerful mean?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
But then all these other.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
People were everyone has opinions, yes, so many opinions, but
I'm not I'm not unhappy with anything that I wore.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
So it all works.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
That's good, that's I mean, that's huge.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
That's huge.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Oh, Miranda, let's talk about Miranda and Steve.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Oh my gosh, Miranda steee.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I just you know, I love Steve Meets from the
bottom of my heart. I really do, me too. And
I love how much he loves Miranda. Yes, and I
love how much he fights for her. I don't think
we see that enough in real life or on TV.
So true is just a man that is fighting for
his woman because he sees her, I mean, and the.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Relationship, fighting for the relationship. This is rare. This is
my advice to any man who might be listening. Nothing
will turn your woman on more than you fighting for
the relationship.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Yeah, and that doesn't mean, like, you know, show up
at the house uninvited.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
No, that's true.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Doesn't mean be a soccer.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
When she at the door and he's there.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
But I'm like, god, that would just be so nice.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I know, well, he's just so present while she's going
through her different like stresses, like I don't know if
I could do this, and I don't want to drop
things in front of you.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
And it's like, oh, it's so sweet.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And she's so good.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
But I also think Steve is a rare secure attached person,
a secure attached male, securely attached male character. Dreis Miranda
is avoidant, and I don't think we see I mean me,
I've read one book on attachment theory. I'm like a psychologist,
but I think we don't see that many avoidant women
on TV. And I really appreciate not that I'm that
definitely the insecure attachment type, but I think it was
(26:03):
just it's nice to see that dynamic where she just
is like constantly pushing him away and he's just like
Noah and I want to move in with you, I know,
and they figure out how to cohabitate, and I think
that's really beautiful. Obviously that relationship takes a lot of
different turns, but so many I just love him.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I love him too, And at the time I didn't
appreciate it, didn't fully understand how incredible he was at
the time because I was never there when they were working,
really and then also I was like, what's going to happen?
I don't know. I didn't understand the trajectory. I mean,
none of us did, I guess, because I don't even
think our writers did. But I do love to look
at it now with now the what we know, because
(26:39):
it actually does make sense.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I know it really does.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It does.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
But there's a lot of people out there who don't
feel that way, and to them, I apologize, But you.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Don't have to apologize if you don't know anyone anything.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Well, I feel I do love like like when people say,
you know, we followed you and I didn't appreciate this,
and now I do. Where I I felt this way
about this at this time in my life, and now
I feel differently. That's always so rewarding, right, Yeah, But
then when people have the opposite of like no, that
would never happen, then it's not rewarding. And then you
feel sad that they that they're not on the journey
(27:12):
with you anymore.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
But they might rewatch it in two years and change
their mind. So I was, I said before we started recording.
Watching the show in a relationship in your thirties and
watching the show single in your thirties, completely different experience.
I was so smug when I had a boyfriend. I
was like, I figured this out that they never they
couldn't get there. They got there eventually, but I figured
it out. And then I'm watching it single, you just
(27:34):
go I am these women.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
So, Marybeth, I just want to say to you. Maybe
I shouldn't say this on your I want to say
this to you. You are a complex person and you
have a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yes, you do not need to be.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Doing some kind of preconceived like small life with the boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I don't want that.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well figured it out. I don't want that, right, Like,
you shouldn't even be saying these words.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Oh I'm glad I'm not in those either of those
relationships now good, But It's just like when you watch
it single in your thirties, It's just like that is Yeah,
this is what the experience is, and it presents so
many different things to the audience.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
You have a lot to give, and you have a
big career, and you need to put your energy there.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
This is why I am.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I have nowhere else to put it good. I put
it into my friendships, my family, my career, and my dog.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
That's I totally approve. I totally approve that good. I
just don't want you to be thinking like that you
failed or no.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
I think it's just like it's feeling more like I
would love someone to watch sex and the city with
that loves it as much as I do.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Well for sure, and those people do exist and they're
gay guys. No, I had Adam's got on.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
He's married, I know. I'm I'm happy for him, right me.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Too, Me too.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I'm just saying at some point in his life he
wasn't I don't know when he got married, but in
his thirties probably, do you know what I mean? So
like I'm just staying they're out there, you know, don't
settle in any way.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
If you are a straight man who loves Sex and
the City. My damns are open.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
But the other thing is, and you know this is
bad that I'm gonna say it, but like, sometimes you're
not gonna love everything that the other person loves, right,
But that's okay, yeah, jny me, Yeah, Okay, let's talk
about Samantha briefly. Okay, So Samantha's got the assistant no
memory of this storyline, okay.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
And neither do I accept rewatching and I was like, oh, yeah,
this is the guy that's like a macho sort.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Of I know, weird, weird, right, But I.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Love that the episode is and this is what Sex
and City does so well. It's the thematic nature of
all the character storylines.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
This is where we finally have that going your season,
second season. Sometimes it clicks, sometimes it didn't. Now we've
fully got it and I love it. But what I
did love that the crux of their storyline. Also because
we have so many characters, as you guys do on
over compensating. Also, you know you have ABC D storyline, right,
so you always know that you might have D storyline
this week and you'll have a better one next week.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But what my favorite part about that, and I don't
know if you've ever related to this or whatever. So
she's got this assistant.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
He's very cute.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
You see her at the beginning, she's like, I can't
find a good assistant in you. And then he walked
in the door and she's like, oh, okay, how are you.
But he's very arrogant and so he's like yelling at
people on the phone and she's like, we don't do
business like that, you know, and he's like, I do la.
So he argues with her and then she eventually fires
him and says the good news is now we can
and so then they kissed like in that frantic TV
(30:18):
way that we did, and then she pushes him down
on the desk and he goes, we can come the
desk and he goes no on the chair and she
goes no on the desk, and then the voiceover says
and of course Samantha was on top. Like that is
a dynamic that I still find interesting with men about
like who's in charge?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah, it's it definitely I think is still a huge
not problem, but it definitely comes up in relationships, sometimes
in subtle ways, sometimes not. But it's like if a
woman wants to you know, be in charge quote unquote,
then they're bossy. But if a man wants to be
in charge, then he's just like, you know, being the
man in the relationship. So I have had so many
(31:01):
men call me bossy. I have never been called bossy
by a woman. So I just find that really interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Isn't it.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
And I love that Samantha, you know, say what you will.
She's ethical, She's not going to have sex with her employee. Absolutely,
she's not going to use power.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
She's going to have sex with him once she fires him.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Most definitely. I love it very much. I love it
very much.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
And I also love just the whole that you want
a strong man, right theoretically or whatever, but then who's
going to choose where you're going to have sex?
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Well?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
And then you know, men are constantly saying like they
want a strong woman, but then when you get in
that situation, sometimes their actions prove otherwise.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Oh I'm there, I'm there. I've been there many times. Yeah,
many times, many times. My ex and I think I
might have said this before. My ex at one point
told me that I needed to stop telling the cab
driver where to go.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I had to wait I had to get in the
car in the back. This is pretty uber, right, And
I had to wait for him to get in the
car and he could tell the cab driver where to go.
And I was just like, this is really hard.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
It's just it's the like nitpicking.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
And I was in a relationship where I would always
because my mom is like very brash and she is
just in charge.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
So she's the way we live in.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
My family's very natureful, six children, six kids, and she
had to run it like the Navy, as the military.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Imagine. I am too. It's hard.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
I would walk into restaurants and I would say, oh,
it's two for dinner, for for dinner, whatever it is.
I never picked up on that ever, right, it was
just like I'm walking in first and I'm telling them,
I'm telling the hostess what I needed why, And that
was commented upon is like every time you walk into
a restaurant, you're the one saying.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
See, that is not the guy for you right now.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I hung in with this relationship for a very long
time where I did try to sit in the back.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Of the cab and be quiet. But it's hard, and
why should we have to do that. It's so weird.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Why can't we just be equal partnership. It's an interesting
thing to me. Is it interesting how hard these things die?
Like they just won't like they're ingrained, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Know, and it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
It's also it's across generations, and sometimes you'll meet someone
who you think is so or thinking progressive, they really
get it, yeah, but then they'll still have these little
hang ups where you're just like, wow, that's just I
wasn't expecting.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That, right, And why can't they work on it?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
What do you mean that's just never going to happen.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I would love to find someone who's working on it,
because I'm working on it.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I know, because we're all working on it, right and
we're trying, I know.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
But yet you're also supposed to be, you know, have
a great career and be doing all these things on yourself,
and you know, blah blah ah, it's very hard.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
All right.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Is there anything else that we should say?
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Wait, this is the name.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I love the name of the shoot of the show
that Charlotte is doing at the gallery, Drag Kings and
the Collision of Illusion and Reality. I love it, and
I literally think that that gallery is the same gallery
we film in, and then just like.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Oh my god, it's still that well, that's amazing still.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
There, I know, thank god because oh the galleries are
relatively unchanged. Yeah, you know, thank god, thank god, thank
god they did not turn them into a store or whatever.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Do you know what I mean? You know what I
mean because you live there.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
And then I mean, I think Donovan is so adorable
and good and like interesting and the whole Bigger Stock thing.
I'm just kind of amazed in a way that we
did it, you know, and that that was like the
for play for the artists.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
It's good writing too, and that's what's so fun, I
think as an actor, and I've talked about this, because
we do panels. We'll do screenings of over Compensating and
then a panel and they ask questions and it's like
it's such a gift as an actor to be given
these complex characters to work within, and then it's like
it's thoughtful writing where you're like, this is fun to
be and it's fun to do it a few times,
you know, as as you imagine it, and then the
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director gives you discussion and it's like, yes, there's just
so much fun to be.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Had, I agree, so much fun to be had. Now
when you looked at the when you rewatch knowing that
we were going to talk and you see the four
of us talking about the bisexuality the coffee shop, did
you feel like we were very, very old school or
did you feel like no, that I understand why they
would be like that.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I think when I rewatched the show and almost every
topic you are talking about, I go, I understand why
they had that approach to it in the nineties or
early two thousands. It's like, it's about what you know,
the media, you were exposed to, the people you were
exposed to, how outwardly people of their lives. It's like,
there are so many storylines that I think, even though
if it wasn't handled the exact way that you would
(35:29):
handle it today, it's still put these stories in front
of a huge amount of people right that then say, oh, well,
I saw a Sex and the City episode about that
where you know, Samantha moves to the meatpacking district and
we're not saying everyone's represented perfectly because they're not, and
that would be impossible to have that expectation. Yeah, we're
going to get there, But I think it's I just
think it's great to even have the conversation. And maybe
(35:49):
people watch it and they go, well, you couldn't say
that today, and it's like, well, yeah, oh, they weren't
saying it today. You were saying it when the show
was made.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
It's true for sure, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
And we didn't even have the knowledge obviously, you can't
know where you're going to go. Like, uh, Samantha in
that scene, the coffee shop scene, says that she's try sexual,
she'll try anything, which is cute, and I love that.
I know it's really cute. I mean, we wouldn't we
would say polyamorous now or whatever.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I like that scene because I do feel also at
the time we're being very true to each character.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
And that's what's so expertly done with the show, is
like just and and I think the diner scenes are
always my favorite, the brunch scenes really yeah, they're just
like it's just girls chatting and there they feel safe
because they know each other so well. They can say
things that piss each other off, things that they wouldn't
say in front of other people. They are so real
with each other, and those are the relationships that I
(36:42):
have in my life that I just value so much
because I go, I could say something that I wouldn't
post online, but I feel safe because I'm with my
best friends.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Of course, of course, I mean when I do watch them,
they're so hard to film and we would always be like,
oh God, the coffee shop's coming, and we had to
have like every line like quick quick, quickly, quickly, and
we had to film it from every direction they got,
you know what I mean, and it would be like
all day, all day other day. But when I watched
them back, what I love is all of the behavior,
Like there's so much interesting interaction between the four of us.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Oh, it's like it's like micro movements.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yes, it's like also it's it's really And as an actor,
I think sometimes we don't even know that we're doing
it when we're in the character, but then the editor
picks up on it and you go, wow, that's suck.
It is that scene when she's describing a pear shaped
ring and also then Miranda has to admit that she
helped him pick it out, and it's just so good.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
It is something funny I remember about that at the time.
You know, this was pretty much the height of the
show in a lot of ways, and things started showing
up kind of in like pop culture that we were like, what.
And Gwyneth Paltrow was on the cover of Vogue or
something and she talks about that episode in there, and
we were like, you know what, I was talking about
(37:55):
the ring because she was like, I so relate to,
you know, someone having them wrong.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
What I'm wearing. It speaks for. It was good.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
It was good.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
It was really so good.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
All right, So wait, I have something to say.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Eddie K.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Hill. This was his first ever on screen role.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Wow, the bisexual. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
I liked also how they wrote him as just like
an everyday guy I know.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
And I love how he's dressed.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, and they're ice skating, which I had also no
memory of, Like she's ice skating with a cigarette in
her hand, with her natural curly hair.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I loved it, loved it so much.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
And I don't really remember it at all at all
at all. Oh, apparently Sara Jesska just talked about this
episode with Howard Strn about kissing Alanis Morset. She doesn't
remember the scene because she'sn't like watching herself on TV.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
This is oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Then she said it was a big deal. I do
remember that.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I don't remember a lot, but I remember that for
a variety of reasons. I remember where we shot at
me too. I remember that I was wearing what I
was wearing. Most importantly and least surprisingly, it was just
a huge deal that she agreed to do the show.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yes, and I do recall kissing her.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
It was very pleasant, It was very professional. We were
both treated, we both treating it as a contractual obligation.
Sarah makes me laugh and act exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
It was very nice.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I don't actually recall feeling uncomfortable. I don't recall feeling
embarrassed or self conscious. She was lovely and she was
all in. I have no feelings other than that than
easy and buoyant.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Okay, that's nice.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
I'm so glad that's not what I remember, but I
like it.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Alanis Morris said on her kiss with Sir Jessica Parker,
what I remember is nerves. I just should be clear,
I'm not remembering anything negative at German nerves because it
was like not.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Something that everyone involved would be normally doing. Sarah.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Okay, wait.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Alanis said this to the Advocate. Her character was meant
to be reticent. So the kiss itself has got this
push pull, uncomfortable energy to it. But can you imagine
Carrie being in New York and not having questioned her sexuality?
Good point, alanis I love it? I love it. It's
a good point because it was written very clearly that
she is about to get up and walk away right,
(40:06):
not for me, It's just me, which I also think
is so important to know, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Oh, and she does have the very very large carry brooch.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I don't think it's the first time she's worn it though,
I think I already had seen, but it was smaller.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
This is when we go into like this. This was
the big flower. Yeah with the boots. Yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I'm that dress I'm wearing is theory, so we still
don't have our budget no offense theory.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
And apparently this is one of my most memorable looks.
Who knew? I never know?
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Most memorable.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
People respond to a lot of things that are interesting.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Well, I think people really cling on to different stuff,
and it is depending on where they are in their.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Lives, of course, where they are in their lives, and
also like the current style like now, like all the
nineties two thousand stuff is like these are my very
vintage product two thousands.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Whoa, I just got into your door. Do your T
shirt yesterday? Tank top?
Speaker 4 (40:57):
At the real real I've been on the Hunt's from
two thousand and three.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
You should well that's the time.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
It's fabulous, that's the time. Yeah, it's it's everything to me.
Good purchase.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
They call it a grail. Yeah, and those are a
grail for sure.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Well, thank you, got a cargos, hang on to those,
put those in the safe.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
At home, I have a large closet that's a mess.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yes, hopefully it has a lot on it.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
It doesn't, but the house does.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Okay, good, so it's safe. It's safe.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
But okay, wait wait, I feel like there's so many
things that it might not have covered with you. Sometimes
when I have to do the rewatch part, I'm like,
it throws me off.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Well, you can always have me back, and if there
was an episode, maybe it's too soon, though, I think
whoever gets to talk about Matthew McConaughey, that is one
lucky guest, because what a wonderful performance.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Totally that was off book. He got to AdLib, which
was unheard of. But no one could stop him. I
remember also getting texted that day, and I can't remember
if I actually went, I would get text from Sarah.
We had our original BlackBerry, the tiny ones. She worked
on her little belt. Though there are all these cute
paparazzi pictures of her. She got it first.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
She talked me into getting it.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
We talked all day, even if we were together on
the set Journeyman. Of course, of course that day because
we were in La, where I had a house by
that point, and McConaughey like jumping on the table not
in the script, jury mean, and she was like, he's
at Limang, what do I do? Because Michael Patrick was
kind of against outliving.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Then Spawn ad lived. But then Spawn had John Favreau
come and they were like writing.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
At the chair. Okay, interesting, whereas McConaughey, you just didn't know.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
What was that Such a fun stretch of episode.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
I know, I know, I know, I was happy because
we were here. But also I do remember at one
point I don't remember this scene, but because I had
my house, they I was with them all because it
Charlotte comes late to La, right, so I was with
them all. And then they were like, okay, go home, Christen,
because we're not going to get back to that group
scene until I don't know what time I went home.
I went to sleep. They called me. I got back
(42:57):
up at like three am. I drove back to the
set in West Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
I mean that, no, no joke, my Beth.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I mean we worked till the sun came up all
every day time, Like it's amazing that we are all
functioning and friends.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Sometimes tensions can be high in those situations. Yes, yes,
lack of sleep.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
I mean that was all we did.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
So I think that was how we got to know
each other so intimately, you know what I'm saying, Like
we went through it all, but it was also our mission,
like you know when you have like how I'm sure
how you guys feel about overcompensating, Like it's it's your baby, yeah, dream, I.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Just want to make it as good as.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
That's all that matters.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
I know.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Okay, we did talk about are you a Charlotte?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
So how often would you say you feel like, yes,
I'm a Charlotte all the time?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
A few times the.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Hopeful part is present.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Oh it's like I really every time I get really
badly hurt, I think I can't do that again. I
just need to protect myself more. But I also think
there's a healthy approach of like I do just want
to put my heart on line because I think even
if it's not handled with care, at least I'm showing
that person that, like, yeah, we're still out here, and
I love being sweet to people. I love going out
(44:09):
of my way acts of service, things like that, and
I'm like, at some point I'm going to meet the
right person who loves that about me.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
And they're gonna celebrate it.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
And and I think for me watching Charlotte navigate all
of those relationships and all of the ones that don't
end the way that she wants them to, it's like, Yeah,
we go through a lot as women who have hope,
and I'm never going to let that go. I just
have to really embrace that side in me and go, well,
I'm setting an example for you. Even if the stales
intends to you or whoever's on the receiving end of it,
(44:37):
I'm like, this is who I am. So this is
too intense that we definite shouldn't be together.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yes, w yes.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
And also I think it's it's going to help them
whether they're meant for you or not meant for you.
I think it's it's good to be open. I think
it's super important. And I love for design aesthetic as well.
You do the apartment, Yeah, I think, oh my god,
I saw your bedroom. I was like, wow, old fashioned fashioned,
so surprised.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
I love like I have a lot of furniture that
I've taken from my parents' house. I had my grandma's desk.
I just love that, Like it feels very cozy to me.
And that's how my parents' house is decorated. So I'm
very old fashioned in that respect.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I think that's so great because when you if you
just saw your comedy, you wouldn't realize.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
No, And I'm like dark wood and that's very Charlotte
wall paper and I have a bed skirt, And then
everyone can say that, yeah, I saw no, but Charlotte
would have all of those things.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
I do have a lot of those things, not the
dark wood. Not the dark wood, because my house I
grew up in had so much dark wood. Sometimes I've
just felt like it was just bowing much.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah you know what I mean. But thank you so
much for being here.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
My absolute pleasure. Thank you for having me,
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