Hot Diggity Dog with Benito Skinner (S2 E9 "Old Dogs, New Dicks")

There’s no overcompensating when we say how thrilled we are to have Benito Skinner join Kristin to discuss "Old Dogs, New Dicks."

Benito immediately opens up about Trey aka Kyle MacLachlan as his dad in his new show. Plus, why Charlotte's line, “I’m your wife, I’m sexual, and I love you,” became Benito’s catchphrase.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte? This has been something I haven't working
on for a while, you guys. Back when I was
planning the podcast and I hadn't started, I asked my niece,
who had obviously much younger, who should I have on?
And her words were Benny Drama.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh my god, what's her name?

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Her name is Zoe. Okay, sometime, but I've got been
me do Skinner. He's been very very busy, you guys.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Kind of like randomly you picked the one time I
was busy usually.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
I mean, don't do it week in Paris, I mean
that very high level.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
I did Shacha Mouse, which you had been to.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Do you not love Simone?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I love him so much and I thought you were
going to be there. I wish I was a little bit.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Oh, I'm so sorry. I would have loved.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I looked around Versailles and I go, where's my girl?

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yes, yes, I just have to talk Simon into not
putting me in butter yellow because it's like my worst
color ever.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Oh, I don't agree.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
I think you look so incredible, but I mean you
can't say no to that man.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well of course.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I mean, I got right.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Whatever you want, Daddy's.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
What I say. It is my least like color in
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
See, I don't see that for your min is like
a like a mustardy.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Oh yeah, that might top it. That might top it.
But they're kind of equal with me. But whatever I
did it, I did it from a book. It's not horrible.
I just did a job where that was their inspiration picture,
which is kind of funny perfect when I yellow the
most people. The inspiration picture that they had for me
to do the opening of the invitation to go to
the show was a Charlotte moment when I have a

(01:42):
sweater tied over my shoulder in true purpy form, and
they were like, can you look like this? And I
was like, well that was twenty five years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Try yeah, I'm sure it's really perfect. Also, this whole
time is.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Going to be me acting like I don't know exactly
the scene you're talking about, you know, just to be
like a poor my peer.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
God, thank god you know everything, because sometimes, as I
was saying, and I do feel and I don't know
in what order to talk to you about these things,
but like to me, you are doing all the things
right now. That are super fascinating in terms of our industry,
where our industry is going. You are on the forefront,
Benny like it. It's amazing. Okay, so I need advice

(02:24):
from you.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I don't think you do. I do this.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
I really do. I really do. So Okay, let me
get this straight because I have now been on a
crash course. Okay, first of all, let me just back up.
So my niece says to me, Benny drama. So I'm like,
who is this person? I have to research? So I
start looking online. I see you obviously highly entertaining and interesting.
I don't even know that you're in a show that
you created at this point with Kyle McLaughlin playing your father.

(02:52):
I mean, there's so many connections.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Absolutely. I mean, finally I got Trey that was my.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Dad. It's kind of the alternate universe. This is who
he ends up with.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
But also he is more more it's like a more
almost Kyle like wackiness. Like it's a really good casting.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, thank you so much. He's my favorite person. He's adorable,
he's just perfect. We had so much fun. I was
just with him recently and.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
For the twenty four podcast which I watched.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Oh, my god, thank you. Wait okay a journalist.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I mean why not.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
It's because everyone's like, oh, yeah, you can do this podcast.
But even this, I'm like, you're my heroes, Like I
grew up with your work. Like I'm just so this
is so And for the first thirty minutes it's just
me being like I can't believe it's you and my
brain just being like in hearing your voice, yeah, to
say that to Youla or it's like her voice, yes,
it's just like immediately I'm safe.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
That's nice.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
That is nice. I mean I'm going through such a thing,
like to go back and watch your work from so
long ago, you know, it is it's like therapeutic in
so many ways, but it's also kind of trippy in
a weird way. It brings it home to you how
long you have been actually doing this.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
And the kind of also like thinking of the stories
of the days, and I think that's even like, you know,
I've done one season of a show and I watched
it back and it's just funny being like, oh, I
know what I felt like that day.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
I was puffy that day.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Before, Yes, exactly the worst.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
I'm just I'm so and I love it.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
I love it every day, but it's not really there's
a couple of scenes where I go some ice, I
think you look amazing, So do you all the time?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
All the time?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Now, okay, I just want to backtrack in Benning World,
so stand up, YouTube or both at the same time.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
It was the same time, but actually I think it
was Instagram first. Wow, yeah, which was kind of I
I was still in the closet in college, right and show.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
That's what his show is about. If anyone hasn't seen
it on Amazon TV Prime is it's really really clever
and a version of this story that we have not seen.
So I really appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Thank you so much. I can't wait to if we
get to do season two. I can't wait to make
you come.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Right. I feel like I don't know, you're so okay, yeah,
like you and Connie sisters.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yes, I love Connie so much.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Is I got so lucky. My parents were fantastic. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
I started on Instagram with this thing called dubsmash. They
were like lip sync videos, okay, and I loved doing that.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
But you just have like creative energy that had nowhere
to go.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Oh my god, so much.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
I mean, even in this, I'm sure the comments will
be like so add I mean, I just like I
go everywhere, I think, so yeah with me, Yes, let's go,
let's go in the street. But yeah, I just I
think it had been so suppressed, like a performative version
of me that maybe only came out when I had
like two drinks and was just with a girl and
we were like laughing and I could kind of let

(05:56):
it go. But I did lip sync videos because I
didn't want anyone to hear my voice, because I was
like the internet, wooll no, I'm gay.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Even though I was going really low.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
I was like baritone, but I was so I was like, okay,
I'll do this, and then people started commenting on them
and sharing them, right, and then I came out and
then I was like.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Okay, maybe I'll do a sketch that's like I speak.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
And I think it's me as a New Yorker describing
how to get somewhere. And so I was like me
saying like from the L to the.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
F to the you know.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
And I watch it back and it's shocking how deep
I still was making my voice like it almost sounds
like there's like a like a modulator on Oh my gosh,
a little. It's mortifying, but I had to rewatch all
those things to get back and real you.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
See, it's mortifying, But I think it's important to say
it is not easy in this world, no to come
out to be different in any way. And sometimes it
seems like we've made all these incredible strides forward, yet
we continue to go back and even like my daughter's
turning fourteen and you know her, her friends, they're so worried,

(07:01):
you know, about how they look and all the things like,
it's still so true, and so I think it's just
it kind of breaks my heart because here I have
been living in this world, you know, the sex and
the City world. Obviously it's a very gay world in
a wonderful way, do you know what I mean? Yeah,
I like that world, feel the power of it at
of course, but then sometimes when you go back out

(07:22):
of that bubble, it's shocking.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
It's I'm so, it's so nice to hear you say that,
because I think also, you know, there is this thing
that I had kind of when we were putting out
the show and some people being like, well do people
care about coming out anymore? Like is that a thing
and my thing is, I'm like, yes, I think maybe
we're in New York and La Bubbles. Yeah, you don't
know what people are saying in locker rooms and Idaho. Still, yeah,
I can't imagine that with the administration we have that

(07:45):
they're saying that nice of things.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
And really, what I think, you know.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Even I'm sorry to say this to someone who has
a fourteen year old girl, but I feel like there
is that it's just one comment that someone says that
just sticks with you. And that's literally why I made
the show. I'm like, it's just this group of kids
in college that all got told this one thing about themselves,
and it can be something as big as like, oh
my god, I'm gay no one can find out, or
just like my hair's frizzy, or I'm not thin enough

(08:11):
or you know, it's like and then we have to
create these full worlds around ourselves.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
They actually to that comment absolutely absolutely, I know what
the truth is. I mean, as you're getting older and
you're you're going through all of the things that you
go through, you realize that it doesn't matter if they
love you. You find your people and that's really all that matters, exactly.
But I will say this, and this is one of
the things that I really respect about you, is that
you've really done a lot of this publicly online and YouTube.

(08:39):
I mean that's not easy. Yeah, there are so many
people who are so mad critical, and their way, this
is the way I'm thinking of it currently, their way
to express themselves and get that out is towards other
people online. So for you, I worry, like you want
to be handling it great, but like, yeah, how to deal.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
I'm sure you feel that too. I mean, oh my god,
you're an actress who's done this for you.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
But we didn't have it. First of all, the whole
is true, that's kind of nice.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
You just read it in like oneew maybe exactly.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Like and then you just stop reading reviews, which you
could do before everything was on that phone.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
That's the problem too, because you want to see the
good stuff. I want to know the scenes people loved
or things that were making them laugh. And then oh god,
yeah I got one recently that was so vile and
I'm just like, god, I can't believe you even put
that in writing my thing that I'm trying to figure
out how this would work. But I think if you're
on the Internet. It should have to be your full name.
I mean, it should have to be your full name,

(09:41):
and it has to be like your driver's license or something.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
You know.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
I'm like, I just I agree. I don't think there's
really a level of covering that enables people to be
they're most angry and mean selves.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
And I get why people are angry right now. I
mean that makes sense to me. And I think that
if you know, if I'm the punching bag, fine, just don't.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Do it to my girls in my show.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I'm like, That's where I'm like, don't you dare do
it to anyone else in the show. That's where I
get like, So I'm like, how dear, like you know,
and but you know, I feel like I learned this
thing early and I forget where. I think I just
saw it on like a you know, I'm sure like
wiki how told me how.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
To do this?

Speaker 3 (10:17):
But it was like if you see a mean comment,
go and like respond to a nice one, and then
it's like you're having the connection with someone who's like
gone out of their way to say something nice, which
really good is also not something that's common, Like people
don't nice.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
People don't say that much it's just why heart right,
and the other thing gets amplified and that's such a
confusing thing.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Oh, it's so confusing, and you're like, oh my god.
I someone told me I had dry lips one time.
They said dry a butthole lips. Sorry, that's where we're at.
And I was like, so now every day, I mean,
I was just in the bathroom, I'm like, can't have
a you know, I'm like.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
I just it really no, it's true, it's true. I
mean I don't I don't know that I have that
because I have had so many negative comments for you know,
probably the entirety of my career Jesus. But I think
the things for me that lodged in there where I
had to create a thing around it, like you were saying,

(11:13):
with you know, trying to be straight over compensating to
cover the truth for so long you do create like
a whole persona or whatever. I think mine was relating
to the thinness issue, which is, you know, it's hysterical
to say I can realize that now, right, But like
there were times when Sarajisca would be like, you have
buddy dess morphia. I'd be like, I don't think I

(11:33):
do because the world is literally telling me daily that
I am para shaped, you know what I say, like
so much, so much, to the point where like you
can't think straight, do you know what I mean? But
then you also, you know you have disordered eating. You're
starving yourself. I remember fainting in a parking lot one
time because I was on some crazy diet, you know
what I mean. And then you're trying to work, and
remember you're lying all the craziness, right, And then for

(11:55):
many years, someone asked me the other day, like, you know,
what do people say to you when they you you know,
and it's morphed over time, which is the best. Right.
There was a good number of years when we were
on like the old school in your televisions, right, like
HBO proper, And when people would see me on the
street here or in New York, they would say, oh,
but you're not fat. I know, and I know they

(12:19):
didn't mean anything bad. They mean it as a compliment, right,
But it's because I'm standing next to right, I get
that too. Or you're pretty your own person, and I'm
just like, well.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Okay, I always get you're tall, Yeah, okay, I mean
like i'd be fine.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
I'm like, you know, no, this is because I think
now because now the culture is like weirdly knows so
much about what we do, right, so they know that
all these other actors that they used to think were
tall aren't actually not tall. I'm not going to name
them right now.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Later Offline season two.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
But it's it's so there's like a weird cynicism about
our industry and about us that then permeates the thinking
and the comments.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Oh that is such a that is kind of explains
everything almost like because even I do this podcast with
Mary Beth Brain.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
You listening to.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Our brain on the way here?

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Have you heard us like our favorite scene in Sex
and the City is Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Okay, we'll save it for later. But I'm your wife
and I'm sexual and I love you period.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
How I was dying when I had to film that.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
We you don't understand, but it's like it's so real.
It's so the inspiration for overcompensating it. You know, it's
like just being so vulnerable with someone and then they're
like looking at a titty mag It's like, what is
this life? I cannot believe that you shot that show
with no intimacy coordinator.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
That really is. So I'm laughing because I'm uncomfortable. I know,
I'm just like that, but.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
We have one now. It was, but it wasn't Helen.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Okay, Okay, that's it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
It definitely wasn't. And I did get in some terrible
trouble for saying something in jest on my own podcast. Okay,
I repeat, I know, my god, right, like, oh, I
thought that because you were telling the whole story that
you'd be safe, but.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
No, it's just a little cliff yeah, or I'm finding that. Yeah,
I'm learning that every day.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
I mean, it's a post full video podcast.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Like the more the more people know you, the more
baby you will become.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
And I'm like, oh no, that's not that's I'm now.
I'm truly I'm not that serious about really that many things.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
You know. It's like you I just kind of said that.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Seems like I'm so angry.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Oh no, I was just kind of like having fun
and I think my back hurt definitely.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
The thing that I said was in relationship to the
intimacy coordinators. We were talking to Jenny Biks, who one
of our early writers, first woman writer, and I was
joking about Michael Patrick pushing me to do something that
I was nervous about, and I was saying, it turned
out fine. There's one of those things that in your
mind you build up like I can't do it, I
can't do it, I don't know. I'm s and because
we didn't have the thing that I like about intimacy coordinators,

(15:10):
because we do have them on and just like that.
But it's really hard because it's most of us who
were together for all these many thirty years. It's a
weird change. Do you have another person involved?

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Oh yeah, And it's it's very private, which is not
I think that's what I was so fortunate because I'm
the creator in the show and I'm like, I loved
that I could have like private conversations and that all
actors could have a private conversation.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I think that's part.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
I think everyone thinks it's like in front of everyone,
that the intimacy coordinator's kind of there on set like
watching you, and you know it's kind of had one
that way. Okay, well that that was weird. So there's
a bad one. So that's not one that should be working.
But I found like so much piece in it. Of like,
I'm so nervous about this thing, and I'm the creator
and I don't want anyone to think I'm nervous.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
I wrote it like what you.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Know, it'd be the thing where one of the girls
would be like, you're nervous.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah right, I'm going to be.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Trying to make sure.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
And because I think even with sex and the city too,
there is something about it being at times sex for comedy,
which as an actor is so it's so uncomfortable because
you're like, no, I swear I'm.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Good at that.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
You know, it's like everyone's laughing at we make out
with this person, but like I'm actually like not a loser,
of course.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
And also you you know that it's for the comedy.
But as a woman, I would say the thing that
was great, especially back then, was that there had there
wasn't really sex for comedy like in the film or
the TV, right, So it freed you in a certain
way that you didn't have to be all like, you know,
fake seductress all the time.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, I know that makes sense, which is like if
you were.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Auditioning for some big film, you knew there would be some.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Scene you have to fake seductress. There's so much your
fake seductor. It's an overcompensating and sex in the city.
That's the diagram. Yeah, they're kind of like, isn't this hot?
And they're like, no, not really different.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
But that's the difference, right, is yet like it's called
out rather than like the movie version and the way
that I like to talk about it. I don't feel
like I've really perfected it. But when we started the show,
we had we as a group were unsure of what
we were doing with this sexuality, Like was it for
the male gaze, which is what everything else had been.
There had not been something made for the female gaze

(17:26):
of watching and performing and talking about something for them, right,
So like there were There's a scene in the first season,
I think it was the first season where I'm trying
to get this guy aroused and the director, I believe
at the time, I'm not sure, think it was the
director and or the DP thought that I was going

(17:46):
to be doing this hand motion on top of the
sheets and I was like, yeah, no, what what that's
really weird? Like no, because as you know, you read something,
you have it in your mind, right, So it was
under the sheets what it should be like on the television.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
What the heck did you bring to it? It's like,
this is.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Right, and like then it would you could use the
comedy more to just be like on my face you
can tell it's not working because you're obviously not going
to show that it's not working.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
What the heck?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Right? But this is the beginning. And it was also
like two am and Darren Starr wasn't there, Michael Patrick
wasn't there. It was like me and the director, nobody
was there. None of my girlfriends were there, right, So
I had to go lock myself in my room because
there's no intimacy coordinator, right, there's no one to help me,
and to lock myself in my room, call my manager
in LA and be like, what do I do? You
want me to do a hand job on top of
the sheets basically.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
The community, and they're just like this career I chose right,
like this.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
A horrible, horrible mistake. Which I also had to call
my manager about the outfit when I come out and
I say, I'm your wife and I'm sexual because that
thing was see through, right, And I think there was
a conversation of should I wear underwear or not? And
I think that came possibly from pat Field, because pot
Field is living out there on the edge at all times. Yeah,

(19:03):
living every second of the day. And I think for her,
you know, she wanted Charlotte to be really out there.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, this is the moment.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
It's like, I'm it's kind of her like last like.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Like absolutely and sadly he failed. Yeah, but I did
not think that I should do that, you know what
I'm saying, of.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Course, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's the conversation.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
It's like almost having those conversations, like the thoughts of
like having people to talk to that about. You know,
it's like that's almost sometimes all you need.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Absolutely, and that's what a good intimacy coordinator is doing.
Like what is your concern you're in private? What is
your concern? You know, what do you want me to
watch for? What are you uncomfortable about? And like my
thing that I always say, and I mean usually it's
Evan right for me, and obviously I know him really well.
But you know, I did something else right before COVID,
which was I think my first time with an intimacy coordinator,

(19:55):
and that was the questionable one. I had come from
a dance background, so her idea was to count us
down like a dance number. Okay, kiss two, three four, roll?

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Oh good, I'm glad. It's yeah, I'm dancing with the
starry I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
I know another we were, but I was with another
really veteran actor, so thank god. But the thing that
I had done, which was helpful in private, she said,
what would you like? You know down here? Would you
like uh, you know, little patches, all the different choices?
And I said, well, what does he want? Because you

(20:40):
know you want to be on the same page. You
don't want to.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
I was already scared. Yeah, he's going to throw a
dog out. But sorry, no, but you know what it's like. Wait,
I'm your son and I'm sexual and I love you.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Sorry, okay, but I'm also Charlotte.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Total total, and I'm telling you I'm always with charlottees love.
I surround myself with Charlotte. You do, and I think
I'm Charlotte Rising. We'll talk about Okay, I want.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
To hear I wonder anyway we're way off. I love
it so much. I don't know where to go back to.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Gosh, it's yeah, when what his what? His version?

Speaker 1 (21:34):
His version was cool? We can go with him now
because he's awesome, And I don't want to make it
seem like I'm complaining. It's going to be some fun
kind of click.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
I can tell to this is I was talking about,
They're like interesting the first time they does the tape. Yeah,
I didn't know that there was this is terrible, but
I hear it. I didn't know that there was like
a pad also like a sock essentially. I was just
like yes, and so I was like, oh, but and

(22:01):
the whole thing was sticky. So it just ripped all
the hair off under my mom and I was like,
oh my and I'm like crying in my trailer and
I'm like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
I just I was not.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
So then after that, I, you know, more conversations with
costume and.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
It needs to be involved. Definitely, definitely. I mean I
believe that my very seasoned coastar who I was with,
who I love very much, there was a towel, Okay,
so there was like a everyone was covered privately, right,
and then there was a towel in between, kind of
like a traditional con.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Okay, moms to figure that out.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah, my god, even more interesting. I mean,
it was more just for you know protection, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah, it was just no matter what, it's weird and straight. Yeah,
it's just straight, and it does get brought up so much.
Like during press, I really was just like, oh, so
many people ask about this.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
And I think people are very curious, and I get it.
I get it, especially if you are in something like
your show or our show where there is a lot sex.
But let's get back to the business for a second,
and then we're going to talk about the show. Okay,
So this is what I'm super fascinated. So you started
just doing stuff on the Instagram. Yeah, with a different
voice because you didn't want anyone to know you were
gay from your voice, which is like set put adorable. Yeah,

(23:24):
and then at a certain point you come out and
you decide, okay, I can use my voice, and then
you are more free and you start doing more skits
and you put them on YouTube. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
It was so it was kind of like, I the
floodgates were open once I was out and I met
my boyfriend Terry, and it was like, you know, he said,
your Instagram's private, like you should make it public, because
I told him randomly i'd met him, and I had
never really said this out loud. But he's like, what
do you what do you really want to be? Like,
I'm looking at your Instagram. You keep making these sketches,

(23:54):
and I was like, I just like really want to
be an actor.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
But I'm from Idaho.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
So that was now, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
It was just like that wasn't on the menu.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
And then I went to school at Georgetown, which also,
you know, not a lot of actor yeah, and feels
very like, you know, you would go more into like
government or journalism, right, you know, And so I was like, okay,
I'm just gonna not say it there either. And then
for some reason, in a park in Williamsburg one day
to him, I was like, I want to be an

(24:22):
actor so bad. And he's like, I don't know anyone
in that industry. And he's like, I don't know anyone
who's gone into it. He's like, you don't know anyone
is I think maybe the internet is probably the only way.
And I thought too, I was like, yeah, that's kind
of my thought that like maybe I'll like, like do
you just.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Go viral and then you get an agent and then
you're in a movie?

Speaker 1 (24:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I'm like, I don't know how this works for me,
he just did.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
So I was just like, yeah, I would go to
work in the morning. I was editing videos first startup,
and then they paid for Premiere Pro on this on
this computer, right, so it's like great, I have I
have an editing software now. So I would go and
then after work I would go and buy a coffee
and like make my videos for the rest of the.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Night until like one am, and then we're happening.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
And then it was like I did that probably for
like four or five months, and then I made this
queer Eye parody video and that one kind of I
finally saw like oh, like a lot of comedians that
I loved were sharing it and actors and the cast responded,
which was like the first time I'd had that kind
of connection, and they were also sweet and really, I think,

(25:25):
you know, I've always come to comedy, and I hope
that people feel this way of anyone I've done an
impression of that. I like, I never do something that
I don't enjoy, like I love If I love someone's music,
I'll do an impression of them. It's never really coming
from like me. I'm not pointing at you, Yeah, I'm
just kind of like this is an internet version of
you and like a you know, my caricature of this.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Totally, I haven't done it.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Which is so crazy. I always wanted to do it.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I don't know what because I should do it, because
I think for voices I could probably do you in
Samantha the easiest totally, but yeah, Sarah, Jessica's hard, I
don't know. And then and she's a little hard yeah,
and I feel.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Like okay, then maybe yeah, I'm like definitely. It takes
me like that.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
I remember the first time Saturday Night Live parody and
you're just like, oh my god, and you're like scared,
and then you're like excited. I mean, it really is flattering.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
It is in the end, it's flattering.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
I think that's what some I've had some conversations with
people I've done, and I think at first they think like, WHOA,
well you're not sure, you know, yeah, They're like because
I think that naturally. I think we grew up, like
I definitely did, around a time where it was more
like sketches on YouTube and things were a little bit meaner,
like if you were going to do a parody of someone,

(26:39):
it was usually you were like really not you know,
you and kind of going below the belt. And so
I understood that people maybe come to my you know,
came to my videos with with caution and yeah being.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Suspicious, But how did so how did you know to
put them on YouTube?

Speaker 3 (26:55):
That was just something I was I was watching YouTube
at work all the time, and I was watching makeup
artists Nick tutorials, so it's like my number one yeah
and and like Jackie Aina, and they were all teaching
me how to do Kardashian makeup because I was doing
Kardashian like you.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Had to know how to do it very complicated.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
It was so hard, and I was like I kind
of want to look I want to try and look
like them. And then I started to love doing makeup too,
so but it was just I was like, Okay, I
feel like YouTube's a good place for this. And YouTube
is never like my major. It was always but I
was very smart to do. But I was like, great,
we'll do YouTube too. And then I started like a
Zodiac series and that kind of ended right before COVID.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
During COVID, I just like went.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Full, it's incredible that you did this before COVID, like
you were on it.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Man.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
No, I really am like I can't make any more videos,
is what I'm finding.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
I as as the show has come out, I'm like, oh,
people keep finding old ones, and I'm like, that is
not funny. I'm really I did not need to see
that one again. But but I love it right because.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I mean, I'm by years ago. You know what I'm saying,
and it's Goodly there's something that doesn't hold up, you know,
it's that's okay. We can talk about it like we grow,
we learned. Society changes, sometimes for better, sometimes not for better.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
You watch it back, you go, I like you are
you ever? Like I ate that day.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
I have to think that when you step out after
you've had the miscarriage. Sorry, such a devastating No, it's
devastating people when you step out in that pink dress.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
I haven't gotten. I mean, I know the look, I
know the look. I all think this. This this is
back to my thank you, thank you. I As you said,
when you're watching your work, you have so many different
thoughts that go through about the day you filmed, about
what was going on in your life at that Like,
so many different things flood you, you know, not necessarily

(28:49):
objective things like I ate in that scene or whatever. Yeah,
I will think this though from the early because I'm
only in second season. I will think my hair looks great.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Oh yeah, and it always that That's.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
What I think. You're like, Wow, they did a great job.
Now there's a couple of questionable styles, and that so
was I'm like, why am I wearing that eyeshadow? I
think the most random, weird things about myself. Yeah, I
want to go back to YouTube for a second. Okay, yeah,
because do you know that the whole entire industry is
like unbelievably obsessed with YouTube right now? Do you know this?

Speaker 2 (29:18):
I kind of? I mean, YouTube.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Numbers are super crazy in a way that none of
the other streamers, with the exception of Netflix, which obviously
has its own market share, that they were way ahead
where Max.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
And Prime Video Girls were. You know, we're doing the best.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
We're never going to reach either one of these two.
And there's a lot of consternation. There's a lot of consternation.
But you very smartly put your stuff on YouTube and
then how did you go from there to your own show?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I need to know, my god.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Okay, So the the short of it kind of because
like I have to talk to you about fifteen different
Charlotte looks.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
And also to tell you why I wore this way.
There was a whole journey.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Okay, okay, so I it's a good color.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Actually, thank you so much. It it was a yeah,
I almost wore butter yellow, but it's got none could
So it was.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Actually a very like New York story.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Caroline's on Broadway emailed me, I'm so sad they're not
there anymore. I don't think they haven't been in a while,
which is so sad because that was such a special place.
And they reached out to me because of my sketches
on the Instagram YouTube and we're like, do you have
a live show because we're doing New York Comedy Fest
and we want kind of a range of different shows.
And I was like, of course I have a live show.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
And I was like I need to.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Pay rent, you know what.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
I thought like, oh yeah, maybe I could do this
to pay rent because I didn't. I had gotten fired
from this job. I had absolutely no money. My boyfriend
let me live with him. I was just like I, okay, cool, yeah, great,
I'll make a live show. So I kind of did
like a stand up boot camp where I was like,
I'll say yes to every And I had kind of
been writing like stand up lines for a bit, but
not a show what a show would look like. But

(30:56):
I wrote this show called Overcompensating, and it was a
stand up show about me being in the closet in
high school and college, and then it kind of wove
in my characters and kind of my journey and how
I felt like both really confident and then also like,
you know, you come out and then you're like, okay,
so I'm gay, but also like who am I as
a person now that I've been so stifled I think

(31:19):
for so long. So yeah, that was kind of the
amazing the I guess like ethos of that show. And
then during that time, my agent reached out to me
and he was like, you know, I'm watching your sketches
and they're starting to feel like more episodic. So it's
doing these Kardashian ones, and they would be like Kardashian Christmas.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'm sure you're familiar the classic.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Cardaccian christ but and I was like, no, I didn't
go to school for it, but thank you for reaching out,
you know. I'm like always great to get a call
from my agent and he was like, no, just like
just try it.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
You don't have to.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
He's like, you know, you can figure out formatting later,
but you're writing scenes, and so I was like, okay, great.
So I went into my notes app and the first
scene I wrote was this pregame scene with Benny Carmon
and Haley and I had a character at that time
named Hailey, and it just like fully.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Inspired the character she is now amazing.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Brilliantly by Holmes.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
But yeah, I just I went to this kind of
like core relationship between gay men and women, and I
was like, I think when I met this girl in college,
it was the first time I wasn't overcompensating so much.
I started to tiptoe out of the closet and I'm like,
I don't know if I've seen that relationship on screen
in a while. That shows how complicated it is, too,

(32:28):
because it's very complicated, like sexually and emotionally. And then
in the end I'm like, I my girls like saved
you know, my life and like changed my life amazing.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
And then how did it become a show?

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Oh my god?

Speaker 3 (32:40):
So I wrote the pilot because I thought Internet boy,
I got to just write this thing or else, no
one's going to believe that I can. So I kind
of went on a boot camp again. I watched the
Shonda Rhimes master Class. Yeah, my friend gave me her
dad's log in for master class. Thank you, Shonda. It's
a fabulous master class.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
I mean, and I just wondered and I just was
like how I.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
But also I also didn't learn too many rules of scriptwriting.
So in my scripts, I like talk to the reader,
which I didn't know, like I try to make the
reader laugh, which I didn't.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
I was just kind of like, oh, I want.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
This to be fun to read, because I assume a
lot of people are reading scripts all, you.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Know, all day.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
So I would say like, you know how that feels
lull or like things like that as you know, or
I'd be like I hate I hate how my fingers
feel right now, or like I would just say it's
kind of like random.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Like intimate, it's kind of it.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Very yeah, where I would be like I hate writing
this scene, you know, And so I left them in.
And then A twenty four joined and I felt so
lucky for that, And then Jonahill and Strong Baby joined Wow,
and then Charlie joined the project and then we took
it out in Amazon swipe rat.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
What a lovely, lovely, incredible story. Just gives me whole
lucky for the young people yeah out there who need
to express themselves.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, and it's like and also, so you know, I
didn't know anyone in the industry, and I think that's
the beauty of the Internet. Like I think also because
I came up with like Broad City and Issa Ray
and these people that did kind of come originally from
like YouTube or Instagram or right that or Twitter even
sure that, you know, I think it kind of has
opened these like Hollywood iron gates.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
It's amazing, right, they should never be iron you know,
they should never be ironed.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
And yeah, but it is interesting because people bring that
up a lot of like it's like to be come
from the Internet, and I'm like, well, yeah, I don't know.
It just feels like another way to access this, like
many jobs.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I think for you guys, that's what it is right
for us, where the Internet didn't exist when we started,
I mean literally didn't exist, Like it's impossible. Like my
children do not understand. I keep trying to say, like
it's crazy they didn't have it. They're like, well, do
you know, when you were looking at your iPad, I'm like, yeah, no, no.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
A printed headshot.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Think about it exactly. That you that you spent so
much money off of course, but I still did.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
I paid an agent in New York and someone was like, so,
just to be clear, you should never pay an agent
to join.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
They're like, so you shouldn't pay.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
An agent unless you yourself are making I was like, okay.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
The right is like thank god, because I do think
there used to be. I mean I would have friends
who would go to like this class with that classroom.
You know what, there's so many weird almost scam things.
Oh I was so hard to get in.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
I'm very easily scammed. I would say, I'm glad I
can say that, but I'm always like yeah, of course, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. I did an acting class in like North Hollywood.
That midway through I was like, so I do think
that this is a front for the cartel. There is
something did you ever watch Barry No.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Take class? And then there's a cartel and some kind
of connection remember okay, well.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
That's always Valley okay, oh yeah, then that's where I
was really inspired.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
I think you would like Barry because Barry has a
real darkness about it. Oh yeah, interest, you can feel
that in me. I mean really, you do have a
lot of different things.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
I will love it. Also still hater.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
He's amazing. Done, He's amazing, Yes, done, I mean so funny.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
I need to watch more TV. I'm just kind of rewatching.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
When you're doing TV, you have no time to watch TV.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
No, and sometimes watching it, my brain right now is like, oh,
they paid so much for that, you know.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
I'm like that needle drop costs so much money.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
I'm like, oh, there's the brand deal that actually was
really no, it's hard and especially.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
When you know people people and I do try to
watch my friends work, but like I have to be
in the right headspace because like you can't give up
and just watch as a viewer because you know them
too well.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
It's so it is totally where I had that with
with Mary Beth. At first, I would watch the show
and in the first episode I was like, I think
it was the first scene.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
I was like, Oh, that's funny, it's it's us. She's
very funny, and oh she's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
And then in the second scene, I was like, oh
my god, like my girl, I'm like, oh, yeah, we're.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
So locked in and it's such a great character.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
I just thought that was too much because make Stalter,
I've known her for a while and I'm like so
proud of her and the show is so amazing, Like
I know, make so it is it does take a second.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
For your brain. And then I was just like, yeah,
she's brilliant.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
I mean you want to support and you want to
watch and you want to be able to talk to
them about it, but at the same time, it's just
a different part of your brain that you're using, I
think to watch. Let's talk about the show.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Okay, so there's this show.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
You're so much fun anything.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Okay, So I just background. The first time I watched
X in the City in its entirety was actually when
I got asked by Carolines to do that show. I
was so nervous and I was like, for some reason,
I just think, now is the time I'm going to
watch it, because I had seen episodes and movies, but
I was like, no, I'm going to do my like
locked in.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
I'm watching it from start to finish.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Everything that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
And it like got me through that time of like
insane nerves and then also just like I was living
in New York, so I really you know, it's there
fantasy very and then I did it again right before
I did Writer's Room for Overcompensating, and then when we
finished shooting, I did it again. Oh my god, I
can watch it and it is me and Mary best

(38:25):
thing of like, if we can't find something hot child
in the city, let her it hot Letter.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
I think it's the best episode.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Wait, I think it's one of the best episodes in
the I really think it's one of the best episodes.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Okay, no one has ever said those words.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Wait, really, I think it is expertly crafted and it
literally feels like New York in the summer.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Well, can I tell you the story behind it? I
haven't rewatched it yet, right, and there's certain ones where
I'm like, I'm so curious how I'm going to feel
about this when I watch it. Yeah, we you know,
some summers, like this current summer in New York are
like so hot, like aggressively hot, like if you opened
the door, you're like kind of hit by a wave
of heat. Some summer's not so much. We'd been filming.

(39:06):
We would usually go to work in February we'd be freezing, freezing,
think old in our tiny dresses, trying to pretend that
we weren't trying not to see our breath. We would
work all through the summer and wrap in August, so
we would get the beautiful spring and then the hot
and then we would go home and do award shows
and whatever. Once that got rolling, right, yeah, but then
we go back in February and also freeze. So one

(39:27):
summer it was one of those like one hundred plus
all summer and we were just dying. I mean we'd
have to reapply and makeup so much and we'd just
be like, oh, deliriously hot and tired and whatever. So
they wrote the show Hot Child in the City for
the next summer.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Not hot, Oh it was cold.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
No, hell, it was funny. It isn't there like a
hose situation or something. There's there's something.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Because in the City ends on the rooftop.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
No, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yes, yeah, iconic moment where you're And then it got hard.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Because that was like one of the last scenes we filmed.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
It feels very and the energy is.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yes, the tar was so soft that we got tar
on all of our shoes. Oh and Cynthia and I.
You know you do right, you know how you get
like gifts or food or things. We had decided that
I don't know why we didn't talk to locations before
we made the decision. We decided to bring an ice

(40:31):
cream truck. But we were home and roof and it
was a very tall building. Yes, so the ice cream
trucks down there, and they and their stairs because they've
taken the elevator for the lights and then like the
technical stuff boxes. Yes, like up and up and up
and up city.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
It is right. I think that's I think it is.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
I mean, I haven't we watched it yet.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
I wonder if I'm wrong. Someone will come.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
From this is the joy. No, No, no one's going
to come for you. Because what I've found in my
rewatching is that people have different scenes that stand out
to them from different episodes, and they might mesh them together.
And that's cool. I'm trying to say, oh, yeah, it's
about your experience watching.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
It's the world.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
It's like, it's all and it's funny that this is
the episode we're talking about today, because I Charlotte stands
out to me in this one, because it's so this
storyline is I.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Need to know your thoughts because I didn't remember the
storyline at all.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
It's what I care about, aesthetics something, So talk about
a good hair day for you that brunch.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
It looked good, it looked good. I was into my hair. Yes,
my hair is finally growing out from the haircut they
made me get for the pilot.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
No, it's so cute the hair in the pilot. There's
so many different takes on hair in that.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Well we didn't have our people yet.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Well, it's so interesting because Sara Jessica's brunette.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Right and kind of like how she was, you know,
like my color.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
The change from episode one to two is really a
lot pilot.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
The pilot culture so.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Right. It's crazy, I think for her because she was
in very much like a Broadway you know, like I'm
going to be myself. I mean I thought she looked
amazing that way. I think Darren really had Candace in
his mind, right, and I don't. I think Sarah Jessica
was like, I'm not going to be playing Candace as
Candace because this has to be my own character, right.
So there are certain things that she that she took

(42:24):
and she very much knew that world but then I
think there were other things where she was like, well,
I'm want to be myself, right, But then Darren was like,
we're going to work on the hair. And then I've
never told anyone this, but since you're here and you're you,
so my hair was you know, it's natural, pristine, pure
untouched color. When we begin at a certain point, I
want to say in second season, they come to me,

(42:46):
the producers, John Melfi by name, and they were like,
your hairs just it's too dark. And I'm like, what
do you What do you mean? I'm the brunette. I'm
the only one you're like, and they said it's hard
to light and I'm like, but why?

Speaker 2 (43:08):
I know?

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Right? So I had to go get my hair colored
with highlights. I had never done it. I knew nothing. Okay.
I took a huge canvas, like who should I go to?
Who's going to be subtle? I don't want some time?

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, ended I ended up there, but I didn't start there.
How do I know that you're on it?

Speaker 3 (43:28):
But I don't know like my grandma's middle name, but
I know that you know. It's like that's unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Important, it's important information. My current colorists started as an
assistant in New York. See you're there, so I go.
I get these highlights. They are very subtle. In the beginning,
they weren't enough. So come whatever season, I want to
say third, we haven't gotten to it yet. At a
certain point, I have kind of freakishly weird highlights that

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then grow out because no one really told me, like
you have to go get them touched up. I didn't
have any gray then, right, I'm young, so like we
would be working okay, Charlotte a stripe, like a yellow stripe,
and we were so tired. I don't think we noticed
it because you know, I lived in ponytails at that point.
It was hot, right, and I've got like a yellow stripe.

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No one even tried to fix it or color send
me back or whatever. It's pretty funny.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
It is like you can really, and I'm sure you're
feeling this. You can see the things that are shot
at the beginning of production and at the end.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
And when it looks a little different, and especially like
when you lose your mind because you're not sleeping, like
all the things.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Some of the choices, I'm like, damn, Okay, Benny was
manic here. I like that Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Yeah, I'm so happy to hear that other people are
worried about hair because I have to say I was
like very specific of like I don't want wigs and
I want I want that.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Take. I agree. I always saw the boys and I'm
also the hairline. And also, no one touches their hair
when they're wearing a wig. It just do.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
It doesn't have Yeah, people touch their hair all super
college girl. I'm like, it should just feel so both
Homes and Marybeth.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
To dye their hair.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
That was sweet of them, Yes, was very sweet. And
that was and we offered Wiggs. Of course, we're like,
if you really don't want to, but I think also
to me, I'm kind of like dying for someone to
tell me that. I'm sure everyone's like, yeah, but I do.
I kind of like it feels like you could just
get into the character. Like there's something about seeing it
in the mirror and that shift.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
I think changing your hair.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah, like that feels so.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
See. My problem was that I didn't think Charlotte would
have highlights.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Well I agree with that. Oh she would never right,
So I was even seemed kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Well that was me kind of fighting for change because
at a certain point they would say to me two
or three different things that I would just be like, man,
you guys are killing me. They'd be like, they'd be like,
Charlotte doesn't get angry. This was maybe for like two
solid years, and I was like, you guys.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
It's time, come on.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, after all this, Yeah, all these.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Dudes, I think it's about time that. Oh god, what
what episode is that when you're friend like, where is he? Oh?

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yeah, I mean fifteen I'm exhausted. Yeah, that's third season.
Third season in my mind is when we really were
firing on all cylinders.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
I mean it's really the show does know who it
is immediately, I.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Will say, definitely. And that's the yeah it is.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
I mean, what a delicious moment when you don't have
any more direct to cameras. Oh that was crazy, but
you test oh yeah, because it's just like it just
takes away from for iconic actresses.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
And also you can't be with each other. You're like
looking at a camera for some unknown reason. And when
Carrie's talking to herself with voiceover but then has to
look at the camera.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
No, Jessica, well we say high flea bag, let's go
every now and then I'm like, oh, love back, It's
my favorite show.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
I just want to say one more time that I'm
just so impressed.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Oh my god, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Yes, and I also really desire that you meet Michael
Patrick King.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Oh I'm dying too, because I'm dying to meet my king.
Are you kidding?

Speaker 3 (47:25):
I care so much to talk to him about, right,
that would be You want to talk about an A
D D Lent Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yes, because he used to teach a class that Lena
Waite took for Show owners.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Oh, oh my.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
God, I would love and she gives him so much.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Show knows that Scott King, who I worked on this with,
they know each other and only has the best things
to say about him.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
I love all my kings.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
The Kings are kings. Tell me the looks you want
to talk about, and then we're going to talk about this.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
I wore a big pony polo today for you because
Charlotte worked at Ralph Lauren. I was an Abercrombie Greeter,
so real recognized real, real recognized real. But so I
tried to find the sweater with my stylist. We were
trying to find the original sweater that you wear when
you're in the bookstore.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
I believe.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yes, it's a breast cancer, so I don't think they're
making it anymore making it.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
I love them to reissue.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
I'm trying to find these. I wanted to do a
little tight.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Little Oh my god, that would be awesome. But this
looks great.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
We found this and I was like, okay, I think
it color.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
That's working.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Stop, let me get you in.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yes, but okay, So a few of my favorite outfits.
I love the Proud ellipstick skirt.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
I still own it, and I get it out for
special reasons. Megan Stallion came on the episode, as did
Lena Waite. On the same day. I had a lipstick skirt.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I'm a good company.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
It was a day. It was a day. Oh my god,
it was so I wore the lipstick skirt. I only
get it out for special things. But I do love it.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Okay, that is obsessed. Okay.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Can I also tell you I chose that. I was
flying back and forth a lot, and I was reading,
you know, old school paper magazines. Yeah, and it was
in the product ad and I had become a produ
fanatic at that point. I was like, you're the product girl,
Like that. Yeah, I mean I spent so much money.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
The silhouettes, like, come on, they're perfect. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
My business manager called me one time. He's really sweet.
I've had him for thirty five years, and he said,
he said, I'm just confused, like the product charges are
so big. How many pairs of shoes can you buy?
And I was like, run, they make.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
These sweety you go, well, so there's sweaters, there's headbands,
there's scarves, pursues, wallet's even now even key chains.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
And yeah, and then it's like and we haven't even
gotten into trousers, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
And I had a discount, but that's how bad it
was at one point.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yeah, but you know when they start texting you, that's
when you're like on your you get more texts from
them from you, mew in uh no know. The Memei
in Toronto text me more than family. I would say
at this time.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
I've gone to the product in Toronto and Vancouver.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
It's gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
It's better. It's better sometimes.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Vancouver, Right, I did a show.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
You spend a lot of money there? Yeah, god me see,
I know, kids, I don't I love it.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
But anyway, I had been looking at that, and I
was like, I need to have that outfit. And so
I went to Pat and I said, I need to
have this outfit and it would be great for when
I meet Trey. She like, know, we have to have
four of them because you're falling in the street. And
I was like, well, let's find four of them. I've
called everyone and they don't have four of them. Like,
let's call Europe, let's call headquarters, let's call Milan, let's
call let's call it. The problem with China is they

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in the Asian market is all the skirts are shorter.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
I learned this from shopping at Prada Tokyo because because
the people are Wow.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
I learned this from shopping product Tokyo. This is the
best moment.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Of my life. Like, I mean, exactly where I need
to be exactly.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
I got the things home and I was like, oh,
I can't wear this. I'm going to get to my
very very small friend Lauren.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Oh my god. Okay, anyway, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
She found them. God bless her, God bless her. And
then I wore to fall in the street with Kyle,
and of course I was so worried about the skirt
that I didn't even get it dirty. Yeah, of course, yeah,
but they had to wet it down so it looked beautiful. Yeah. Yeah,
well that then I think we now we get to
keep everything as in our contract. But back then I
think they just were nice and were like, what would

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you like to choose? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely had some actors steal.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Yeah, that happens.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
I keep seeing Yatesmirch everywhere and I'm like, interesting, Oh
so I'm like, we potentially would make another season. So
where'd you get that?

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, I'm interesting went together. Yeah, but I did keep.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
A lot and I bring back stuff too. But the
other outfits you.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Like, Okay, well, I'm actually curious what your favorites are.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
The skirt would be up there. I love the Zach
Po's and black swan. I would never want to own
it though, because it was very high main but I
loved it stressful, partly because I love Zach. Yeah, and
Zach had come to that day. He was at a
weird time with this business. You know, He's been through
up and down, up and down, and he came to
the day when we were our first day at the library,
when we were all dressed and he was standing across

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the street with the crowds.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
We were like, is that Zach Oh, oh my god.
Come he was so shy.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
He just wanted to see. What was it?

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Like? Do you get so nervous before scenes when everyone's
watching and paparazzi like that?

Speaker 2 (52:32):
To me, it feels to it.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Yeah, it's you know what it is now? I think
because we took time away, we appreciate them. And also
there's like this interactive thing that happens. Like there's a
scene this past season where Sarah, Jessica and I are
walking along. I'm wearing a flower dress and she's wearing
black and white and we're in the village. It was
hot and there were maybe one hundred and fifty people

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on the other side of the street. Yeah, so amazingly
helpful and quiet, like like we would say to them,
like when we say rolling, can you guys be quiet?
But it was a tiny street. It wasn't even like
a big one, right or like an avenue or anything.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
And they be hushed, Oh okay, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
So like you feeling like you're yes, you have to
tune them out somehow to be the scene. It'srespectful and
that's part of it, you know, So you feel like, oh,
they do really love us and respect us and want
to be part of it, and we're happy that they're there.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
That's so sweet.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Now.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
One time I remember this is when it started to escalate,
and I remember being like, what it is happening? We
were when we first started, we had no security. Sometimes
we wouldn't even have like a green room area or
a safe area to go except our trailers, which might
be blocks away, you know when you fill me in
the city, right of course. And it was we would
always shoot as we would start at five am on Monday,

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and each day would get longer and longer and longer
till Friday. We were working until the sun came up
because we had to stop when the sun came up
because we were outside. Right, So Friday night we have
like possibly a five block walk and talk, all four
of us in the wee hours. They picked sixth Avenue
in the village. Okay, Friday night.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Okay, someone was playing games.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
And we have no security, and they put our chairs
in the gutter along six right, so we're just supposed
to sit there in our outfits eating. Yeah. At that point,
the McDonald's French fries are there Friday night.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
We're like literally.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Like we would time it, like is it time for
the McDonald's run. Where's the diet coke? I had my
special diet coke, Crispy diet coke, not anymore but.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
A yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
But we had to get through five blocks, like up
and down the curbs. You know, we're miked, of course,
our mics are between our legs. Don't get me started.
But we also have to be loud. They're trying to
boom us as well. We've got so much dialogue, you know,
blah blah blah blah blah blah. But Michael Patrick wants
a perfect word perfect, no mess ups, no ad libs,
and fast. Yeah okay, you know, like old school.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Right.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
We are having some struggles. Let me tell you, it's
a lot. So if we could get through one all
the way, it would be amazing, right. And I remember
at one point we're going, it's going great. Right, We're
on cue blah blah blah blah blah. This car drives
by and these guys are like sex and the city bitches.
We're like get it.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Yeah, God, we were like we go.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
So then at a certain point, I remember like we
just could. We just couldn't when people were coming and
they're drunk. It's like the village on Friday night. So
we went into this restaurant, you know, like the little
opening like for when it's cold, like the door and
then the door.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
We were like.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Hiding in there, and then they came out, like what's
going We were like, could we please hide it here?
And then next year we had we had security and yeah,
thank god. Okay, but most of the time now it's great.
But I think that's because we have a greater appreciation,
you know, all of it now, right, we've had time away.
That's beautiful, understand it better, you know what I mean?

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We have We have had paparazzi get into fights with
each other, which is never helpful.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
That.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Yeah, but if they're not attacking us, we're cool.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Yeah, exactly. It's take the photo and right.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Right, you guys, Benny's here and I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
I'm sorry and we knew.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
So we're going to stop now and we're going to
come back. Please join us for our actual recap of
old Dogs, New Digs, New dicksy.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
I was like, am I saying New Dicks?

Speaker 1 (56:42):
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