September 15, 2025 • 34 mins
Before he was "Mayhem," Dean Winters was on Sex and the City and he's playing the controversial character. And Just Like That star, Sarita Choudhury (aka Seema Patel) joins Kristin to tell the cold hard truth about "f*ck buddies". Find out why they are a bad idea and if you have one, you better listen right now!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You guys so excited? Are you so excited? I have
been looking forward to this. The incredible serrated Childer is here.
It is a joy. It is such a joy for me,
so catching up on the show, just wanting to watch
all the I'm I'm a little addicted. So I honestly,
(00:27):
I'm kind of like, I can't I know these chairs
from watching the show.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'm very I love having you here. It's been a
fun week. I feel like being together is just exactly
what I need. That's all I want, right, Ye's all
I want to Yeah, And then we get to rewatch
the old show, I know, and it's a particularly interesting
episode that I can't wait to get your feelings on.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
But before that, I want to do the thing.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
That I love to do with those of us cast members, right,
which is really so interesting on so many levels. And
as you said when you sat down, it's very me right, yes,
because we're here on the podcast, which is kind of
like a show you talk about the old show, and
then also and just like that, because obviously you are
an incredibly important part of interest like that, which we
love so much and you're just a joy in so
(01:16):
many ways, and I personally am just so thankful after
having watched you for so many years and been a
fan literally since Mississippi Masala, which was you know.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Such a like still such a such a glorious and
fascinating like just Bam Arrival, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I just saw it recently, and even I was like,
how can this movie have been made that long ago?
Three years ago? Because it's a comedy, it's very political,
it's a love story. It's between you and Denzel Washington,
Oh my god, which thank god. I I mean, obviously
I knew he had just won the Oscar for Glory,
(01:57):
but he was he was still new on the scene, neish,
and like, I couldn't do that now, like there has
there's something about being naive that allows you to because
at that age, you're just trying to be cool and
make sure your hair is doing this, that's all you're
thinking about. Yes, now I would die, of course, and
(02:18):
I don't even know how. I yeah, I can't even imagine.
And you were so present well to you when you
see it. But I remember the director Mirah saying at
one point, I feel like you never really look at
him in the eye and I which is true because
I was too shy, and I remember saying, well, I'm
(02:41):
saving that for the love scene. It was my it
was a fake answer, a great answer, and then that's
actually what happened. Because I was so here, I just thought,
if I look at him, that's enough.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Oh amazing, so amazing. And sometimes I'll be on a
plane and I'll just be watching something that because I've
watched everything, right, and.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
There's Serena like in the green what's the green thing?
And You're like the Green Night. Yes, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Mean you just played such amazing and fascinating characters. And oh,
I'm just I just always want you to be on
screen always.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Oh my god, that's such a I do. I'm a day.
I'm going to read. Listen to this that sentence. Well,
I don't ever.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Want you to have a bad day, but if you do,
please please just call me, and I will.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I'm just happy that we're talking because if you think
about we don't have scenes together exactly except a group scene,
and on those group days, it's so fun because you
and I chat a lot. And Will I remember we
were doing the Halloween, Oh episode and I was sitting
and I think I was talking with Sarah, Jessica and
Nicole and you know who else was there, maybe Cynthia.
(03:53):
And we were talking. I was confessing to something and
you were way over there and there was something about
you that you, you know, me, kind of oddly you
could hear and you ran over and you said what
are you saying? And I was like, wait, I've been
talking for a long time and this and you were like, no,
you just said something and it was what And I
remember thinking, how does she she kind of you haven't
(04:15):
tenna for me. I do definitely, And I remember early
on you helped me a lot in like the second
episode of season one, the second episode, I was in
a hallway and oh, I remember that. You just said
how are you feeling? And I was like, I just
it was a lot for me. Yeah, And you took
(04:38):
me into a side conference room and we had a
great chat. And I just remember thinking, oh, she can
relate to this. This means I don't have to get
comfortable too early. I have time.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yes, you know, yes, And I think too, And I mean,
this is really what I wanted to start with, because
for us, we knew that bringing in new people was
what we wanted to do. But we also had some
understanding of the fact that it would be strange to
be that new person, right, and not that we could
necessarily understand all the different ways that it would be strange,
(05:10):
but we just knew in general that it would be
strange and really really wanted to make it a welcoming,
you know, when you were the transition as much as possible,
so that you could feel comfortable. Because when I look
back at the early seasons, that was me. I mean,
all I see is my anxiety.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
That's what you kind of told me and helped me,
because I think also we forget that you had that beginning.
So when you confessed all of it to me, it
just something happened to me where I was like, I
may not get it till season two. That's fine, total.
I'm just they didn't hire me to get it. They
hired me to join and.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Absolutely and the truth is, just being present is all
that's required, and they absolutely are.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
You don't have to be.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Like good in the heels, No the props, blah blah blah,
No one even knows all that. I mean, it's fun
for us to talk about it and sometimes I think
it's fun for people to hear about it totally, but
those are not the important parts. The important parts is
just being present. And to me, you are the most grounded.
Oh well you really are like just like er like oh,
(06:18):
just so grounded, which is why I think watching you
do all of the Sema things which I.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Know are not you, you know at all.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I mean, you have your own very very interesting situation
in life, and you know, talking to you about your
travels and your life and your world, it's like it
could be.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
A whole show in and of itself, right, but it's
not Seama. No, I don't navigate the world like Sema,
not at all. But you know, it was really helpful
I think when after that conversation with you and then
Sarah Jessica also was very I remember she didn't try
to fix anything. If she saw me kind of trying
to figure something out, she just let it be and
(06:58):
I was like, oh okay. And also MPK, it was
like I was part of some new clown class for
Glamour and when you guys were on when he was
on your on this podcast, when you guys, which I
couldn't get over that story you told about the dunes
and having to sit in a chair like position before
(07:18):
you pop up pretending to be so heels in sand
in the shard desert, those loudspeakers that always sound muffled.
You don't know what they're saying. You get When you
told that story, it made me think. When I joined,
I was like, Okay, mpk's got this kind of brilliant
(07:40):
at clown math, which you use the word precise. With him,
I started to realize, oh, okay, it's very precise. But
what I realized he wants you to bring you with precision,
whereas when you join a show like this, you think
I just have to be precise and do this other thing.
(08:00):
And when you start to realize you want my heart
with that precision, then I got it, and then I
started having fun. But he was so good at being
like strata. It's what you do that I love. And yes,
you have to put the cup down and walk in
the heels and like the cigarette. You have to do
(08:22):
all that right, and that's your homework. But and that
was the I love his comedy training.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I know it's very specific and unique.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's a math class. It is like physics. We deserve
a diploma degree degree. I agree totally. I agree totally.
So let's backtrack a little bit because.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I know I've asked you this in private, and I'm
sure so many people have, so I apologize, but I
do love to have it on record, like when did
you watch Sex and the City in your life? And
what were your thoughts before you ever? Like medicine came
to be with us, right, So I when I moved
to New York The only reason I think I came
(09:04):
to it late was you know, when you moved to
a city, you don't necessarily have apartments with TVs or
with cable, so there was a lot of delay and
you just watch whatever the boyfriend you're with at the time.
You're not really you don't have a you're always out also,
but I came to it there was a summer in
(09:26):
Italy where I was going through heartbreak and I was
staying in my friend Paolo's apartment and he had left
and I was staying there for two weeks and he
had the tapes and I started watching and.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
It helped me with my heartbreak. So I was a
bit I got a bit addicted. So I was supposed
to be out in the city of Rome, and instead
I was home a lot and I got really addicted
and it became this private secret because I didn't want
to say. I went to Italy and I watched Texas City.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Its supposed to be on a vespa with a guy,
and I aha, it helped me if I needed it.
And even rewatching I'm sure this happens to you. Rewatching
the old the early episodes. It's so good and why
it holds up now where we should be moved on
from a lot of these things we were concerned about.
(10:22):
They're still kind of fresh. I know, wild, it is wild.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I mean that was really why I wanted to do
the podcast, But I was thinking there would be a
lot more things that weren't true, right, But I mean
there's like technical changes, right, like dating apps whatever, blah blah,
as you so wonderfully portray and just like that, But
the elements, the issues, the internal parts are exactly the same.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It shocks me. I was watching some of the other
night and I was like, why am I relating so well? Yeah,
it almost makes me relieve not to be in my
twenties and thirties.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
It definitely makes me relieve to be in my twenties
and thirties, because I do think that, like the I
went to this event last night here at I Heeart
and this adorable woman came up to me. It was
so many adorable fans. It was an advertising thing, but
they were fans. They were just so sweet and so
many different ages, and you know that's like very gratifying.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Totally to see.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yes, And when I was meeting a bunch of people
and this one woman said.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I just have to talk to you because I went
on this date last night.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
It was an incredible first date and it was through
one of the apps, and he brought me flowers. And
then today he said I don't want another date, and
I was like, oh my god, let's sit down, let's talk.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
You're so cute you sat down with her.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Well, because I'm in it too, you know what I'm
saying as you and I, you know, being single.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yemen, and we don't we're not on the apps, so
it's not weirder exactly. But I'm trying to understand the apps, right.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
So people keep talking to me about the apps, and
I'm fascinated as we talk about and the show.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Me what you learn. It's confusing, Okay, it's not great news.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I don't think I'm I'm I feel for the for
the twenties and thirties, I really feel for them, because
I do feel like now there's this incredible pressure to
be on the apps, right, Like everyone's supposed to be
on the apps and it's supposed to go great. And
I do know people who've met there completely others, right,
But from what I'm hearing on a day to day basis,
(12:19):
it's a hot mess. It's a hot mess and a
lot of work and a lot of the time which
I do not have, And I'm very scared and I
don't want to go on that.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And also I don't want to become dumber with that work.
You know, it's the same time it takes to read
a book. So how do you gauge, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Well? Put, well put, Okay, let's go back to the
heartbreak when you watch the show. Because one of the
things that I've been hearing from just people in general,
on the street, whatever, everywhere, which I think is fascinating,
(12:57):
is that Sex and the City is now considered comfort
for watching. Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
And I mean when we were starting in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It was radical.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, it was radical and shocking and like divisive.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It's still kind of When I was watching episodes, I
was like, this is still radical, right, but.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yet people will say to me, Oh, I put this
on the background at night time before I'm going to
bed because it makes me feel good.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Well, I relate to the feel good because we're such
messed up human beings. Yeah, and the show reflects that,
and so it's radical in that it doesn't cover that up,
and that is super comforting. I think that's right, you know,
I think that's right. Yeah, you go like, well they're
in it too, oh my god. And also a lot
(13:47):
of wrong things happen in the show, like people like
and back then when I watched this episode, yeah, I
was like, whoa, there's some politically incorrect stuff that is wild.
But I grew up up with that and that kind
of comedy, so I oddly miss it, even though I'm
glad times have changed. Of course, you know we're not
(14:08):
saying certain things. Yeah, but how things have changed. What
we didn't pull with it enough? I think, is that
audacity and wild inappropriate because we are inappropriate at times.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, people are crazy. People are crazy people are crazy
for sure. And that's also I mean, first of all,
the first season. When I watched the first season, I
was like, every man here is awful. Whenever we watched,
like shockingly awful.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
But I also.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Remember being back then and they all seem familiar, and
they were all based on real stories.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
That's interesting, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
And I think that was just we were just like
used to that, Yes, I do. We were used to
like withholding, and you know we it was normal to
us exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
We didn't think twice about it. That's interesting, and now
you look at it and you go, whoo who.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Right now, I don't think necessarily that people are any better,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I don't. I just think maybe.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Like how we talk about it is different, maybe, and
or I feel and I could be wrong, but I
feel like women are more powerful in the mix.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I hope I'm right. I think you're right. What I
wonder is what happens when women get more powerful, but
then the new ways of the apps and the still
lack of natural collision is what happens when you get
more powerful and you can't use that power. And this
(15:37):
is where we're at.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I think this is where we're at right because one
of the things that like this woman was saying to
me last night, and I have this other guy who
showed me his riah and I'm just like still trying
to process. And then I had this other guy come on,
an actor from the show who told me, who told
me like, why are you on Rio?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
And I was like, I can't go on that thing.
I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And then he was like, oh, you know, you go
on and then you swipe left right.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
This is what I've learned.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
And then and then he said to me that you
you text and then you sext before you meet them.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Hold on, you text and then you sext before.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
This is what Mark Fuerstein told me. So then I'm
still shocked. Okay, people are nodding, all right in this room.
All right, the youngsters are nodding.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But how can you I don't know. Okay, So it's
based on the text and the picture. Yes, yes, oh
I god, I know you are. That's that's what's funny.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
We are like a dinosaurus is but is it not fascinating?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
So so first of all, I could never I love
that you're also teaching me this, which you just you
just learned it and you're teaching me. And I'm like,
oh my god, I'm in the mix. I'm trying to
figure it out right, but it's weird. So what did
they say to that? Like, what's well? So I'm talking
to this young man.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I'm I'm not gonna say who he is, Okay, okay,
but he is a friend's son and he's thirty one
and he's you know, got it all going on, right,
And he was like, what do you mean you're not
on Ryan?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
And I'm like, ah, you know, so he said, goes,
let me show it to you.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So he go. He gets out is Riah and he's
scrolling through all the ladies, all the ladies that he's
texting with. There's so many Okay, most of them are
not quirky, Yeah, quicker than I would have liked. No,
he's like, slow down, I want to read, but I
don't think he really wanted me to read. And they're
not wearing total outfits, so that's one thing to say,
(17:33):
you know what I'm saying, Like they're they're creatively scantily clad,
not like obvious, but like, you know, just creatively.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Like I'm ok. He's so confused right now because we
play characters that are often often scantily clad, and yet
that's true. I'm literally like this, like, no, that's funny.
Playing a character is different than life. Totally agreed. But
as you know, people confuse that.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
That's so true and good point, and you just really
beautifully were scantily clad this past season. I mean a
lot sometimes, Molly, are customers to make pictures of me.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Sometimes it's all about how I get to set to
the bed and get under It's all the crew. I
don't want them to have to like I'm with you
watch me. Well, they get to watch you. But I understand,
I understand. That's where I think more shyness comes than
the millions who are going to see.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Of course, because you're in the scene and you're paying
attention to Marshall or who you know, to Logan.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Sorry, totally so many names beautiful.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
All interesting names, yes, but but yeah, you once you're in,
you're you're in the scene. But getting into the scene
is very It's like the transition between Sita.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
And it just takes one person to be like, oh sweetie,
let me and you're the towel drops and you're like,
what you're internally screaming, oh my god. Totally.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
But going back back to the ladies, ladies Ryan, the
ladies are creatively scantily clad right, like they're hiking. They
just happened to be wearing a very small sports bra
or whatever, you know, and they're like, I'm hiking, so
you know, stuff like that. And then he's showing me
the texts, right, and I'm trying to read but he's
going too fast.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, And I mean, i didn't see any.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Naked pictures, but I'm sure that was on purpose journey
me and I'm sure they were there and he just
didn't want to tell me.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
And then at a certain point, I say, well, well.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
What happens with these with these with these women, like
you're texting with all these women.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
What happens?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
He goes, oh, then I just go to them and
I'm like wait, what why? And he goes, well, because
I get you know, I got a hit, I got
like a positive you know, dopamine rush or whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
And I'm I'm good. Then WHOA, I know, I don't
like that, right, it's sad and this is somebody and
he admits it with no shame. Definitely didn't seem to
be feeling shamed. Are we still in dinosaur therapy land?
Like are you guys? Like, oh my god, no one's
(19:53):
going to care about this except our listen, baby, this
is my podcast.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
So he says it more likely we want he true.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
He says it more like, oh no, this is a
good side of it that he gets out of it. Well,
he was.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Trying to tell me to be on it. Number one, Yeah,
Number two he was trying to explain it. And then number.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Three that was just like, uh, I think the truth.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I mean I felt in the moment it was the truth.
And the thing that I think is interesting about this
is that this is a person who I would put
on like a high emotional intelligence quotient.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
He's a super smart guy, he's been in therapy, he's sober.
There's a lot of positives. So I was thrown by it, right,
But I think the important thing to think about, Okay,
if we think about like say Instagram, right, which I
fully am addicted to Instagram. Yeah, fully you know you're
getting some dopamine from it or you're scrolling until you
get the dope. True, right, So I don't know why
(20:48):
it would be different. Do you know what I'm trying
to say.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well, I guess because if you're already at the point
of sexting someone, because on Instagram we're not we're interacting
with ourselves, yes, and.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Well, I'm not sexing anybody on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Definitely not. So I guess no feelings are her. I
always get word feelings are her.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I'm trying to say is that I don't think they
think they're real people. I don't think they're real people
tell you yeah, necessarily.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I'm not saying that, so I don't know if that's.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
True, but I feel like it is. I feel like
it's not that big of a leap.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
It's though, because they're like Kristin, you should be on
these and you can't even get beyond the Why are
you scrolling so faster? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yes, I'd be fascinating how you would navigate a n app. Yeah,
I know.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I mean. Nicole seems to think that I should do it,
and she wants to do it for me, But I'm
like Nicole, I'm very, very scared, and I don't want
to do it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I love that because Nicole, Nicole, I feel would never
do it. For herself. I don't think so either. I
tried to get her to say if.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
She would or wouldn't, but it's impossible for her to
imagine being single obviously, you know what I mean. I get,
which it's true, yes, But her point was, you know,
there was a point in time when the kids were
little and we would say boris and I would say
to the kids, we're going out, and they would be
like what she was trying to say that I should
take time for myself and that that time should be
spent dating, which to me, I'm like, I would like
(22:08):
to take time for myself to go on a hike.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Like you, well, I think you don't have an opinion
until you need it, Like if you fell in love,
you'd have an opinion, but because sure, because until you
have that cross your love there, what is all this talk?
It's theoretical. Yeah, it's very theoretical. But isn't it fascinating?
It is, Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And I do feel like when we were talking about
watching the show and thinking, you know, we're happy that
we're not in our twenties and thirties, right, And I
think because when I watch the show, and in particular
this episode, the funny episode. Yeah, I found it depressing.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Now sometimes I watch the show and I find it
super invigorating me too, And I think it's great and
we're powerful and we're yes, we're messy, but we're powerful
messy and we.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Have each other right. But the fuck Buddy, for some reason,
really made me sad. It's so funny because the whole
time I was like, why did Kristin pick this one
for me to watch? Like I couldn't be sorry, no,
and I and then I realized it's not even personal,
like it's I just warned you on the show, but
it did. It also made me there was a melancholy
(23:15):
in there, a tawdreness most definitely. Yeah, And I.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Don't feel like there necessarily should be right, Like you
should be able to have a fuck buddy, do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Not you sed Toada, but anyone should be able to
have that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And then I think the sadness is that, you know,
Dean Winters plays that character so so beautifully, and if
he wanted to come on the show, I don't know
where he is. Dean such a great guy, he shouldn't
show I know, I don't know where he is Dean.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
We need you to come on.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
We need do we have a we have a I
have like a side episode to do catching up with Friends.
Dean needs to be on Catching Up with Friends nice anyway,
but also some fans have been on Instagram asking for Dean,
so you know he needs to come on. But he
I think he plays the part so beautifully and there
is such a sadness at the end.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I was shocked by that, right because you don't expect that.
The way he looks at her, it's almost like he
knows what she has decided. And he's not even doing
the line of like, oh well, I have to get
up early, too too quickly. He's just kind of looking
at her as he says it. It's almost the beginning
of what could be romance.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I know. But then it isn't sad because they know
you can't recover from if that tastes.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
This episode is episode two fourteen, so we're in the
second season. It is nineteen ninety nine when it airs,
I know, Crazy to think.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
About, and it's called The Buddy.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
It is directed by Alan Taylor, who's a great director
who we borrowed from The Sopranos. Is the second director
that we are now borrowing from the Sopranos. Alan Coulter
was first, then comes All and Taylor later will come
Timmy Van Patten. All amazing directors and really went so
fluidly between the two. It's super fascinatingful, Yeah, super fascinating.
(25:14):
We love Alan one day, I'd like to have Alan
on as well. And David Lansbury plays Miranda's very angry
Day who is the son of Angela Lansberry.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I'm just realizing as you said that, right, that was
interesting Castle, wasn't it? Like straight up from with early episodes?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Right?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
The early episodes are wild, I know, so wild and crazy.
They're like a needle with heroin mixed in with like
a high heel. It's so true, it's so true. Okay,
So here we are.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And here's Carrie and Skipper, which really cracks me up.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Cracks me up, just them walking.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Right, and like why is Carrie friends with Skipper?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah? And she's eating I love that scene. See, I
remember tells you do. I love it because that's what
you think. You're like, who is this? Why she? That's
what you think, And that's when you know the show
is good because you're like look at all our friends
in New York. That's true. It just situated me in
New York. That would happen anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
No, you're absolutely one, right, And it's also like the
people kind of come and go and then you reconnect,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
And then later Miranda see Skipper on the street, which
is so real, so real, so real, and she's trying
to catch up with He's like, ah, he's all very angry,
and then he's kind of funny turned on because he's angry, right,
which is.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Depressing. Who gave Yeah, that's backup.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So then we see Miranda on a date with this
super angry guy, and it's funny because Miranda is technically
the angriest of us, right right, So it's so interesting
to see her being with someone who's like exponentially more
angry than her completely and she's like the caretaker.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
And also it's weird to see a character like him
because when we lived in our version of New York,
no one had a boyfriend like him, but.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
There were a lot of guys like that, mostly guys
like yeah, because I was a waitress at that point.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Oh for sure, No, me too. I was a waitress,
but I was a waitress in a place like even
a guy like him didn't come that much. So then
when I saw it, I remember thinking, oh my god,
those were the guys that I would be scared to
go on a date with on every level.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Oh yeah, I mean I do love in a way
that Miranda is on a date with him because she's
not scared.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Right, Miranda's not scared, and she's not.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
She's not cowed by him, right, But it is interesting
to see her kind of going to the caretaking I'm
gonna wipe this glass off so he doesn't yell at
the waitress.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Like.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's all very interesting and slightly odd, right, it's just
super super interesting. Merril Marco and I hope I get
this right was the executive producer of Letterman, and previously
I think had been a calm and I remember that
she was a big influence on Darren in terms of
(28:05):
New York and you know the vibe, you know what
I mean, And it was really cool to have her input.
I don't think she really I'd love to look her up,
like just what you just said.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
That's an interesting person.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Oh this is a funny, funny episode.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I forgot about this scene.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
This is a scene where we have the picnic in
the park, and first of.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
All, when you guys arrived. Also, Kristen, you literally sometimes
look like a schoolgirl, I know, and then the other
times you look like breakfast at Tiffany's.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
You know. It shrings me back to the scene, which
is kind of funny because this scene is like, you know,
there's those certain outfits that are now like like say,
you know, Halloween costumes of Miranda or whatever. This is
one of them where she's got a hood and then
I had over her hood.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
This is a picnic scene. M m and Sarah has
two yeah, no Miranda. I remember it was like.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Like incognitio, ask me what was going on, except that
it was cold. Like when I watch it, I remember
that itsky of those weird friends where it would.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Go up and then down and then up and then down.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Sarah Jessica, she has Heidi Heidi ponytails, yes, and like
a journal which you know, we're still we're still in
the journal world. Yes, And I just remember that I
was sitting there and I would look at Sarah who's
in the Heidi.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Outfit, and we were like, what show am I?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I was like, how could I not lave that is funny?
I know, I just remember that they find it funny
about themselves, so they can't see it because it's too cold.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Also, we're just trying to please Pat. I think at
that point, you know what I'm saying, like, and we
didn't really have the budget, and we're just still trying
to find ourselves, and I don't know what the heck.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Man, No, I'm kind of getting moved by how much
in your own heads you must have been like, I
won if this show is going to work because of that,
we still don't know. We still don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Everyone says to me when they come on, actors, other
actors you know who were on the show. Back it
was the hottest thing, and I'm like, no, I don't
think so, And now too, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I didn't feel that way, you know. I know, so
you don't know that way because back then there wasn't Instagram.
There wasn't things telling you except the reviews, yes, which
were not good because they were older white men told
were like, who are these Well, yeah, you had no idea,
who do they think they are? I love this?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
So then so we have this picnic in the park
and we talk about Carrie says single and fabulous. Oh
oh oh, the poncho, the poncho. She's wearing the poncho
over the journal. It's very cool. She takes it off,
that comes back, and then just like that and my
pretend daughter Kathy puts it on. Lily, sorry, Lily puts
it on. Do you remember this thing?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
You remember?
Speaker 1 (30:45):
And then at some point Kathy told me when she
came on the podcast that she told Sir Jessica that
she did know how to put it on right or something.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Kathy was like, I made a faux pas and I
was like what, I don't know, and she probably did it'
I know, I'm sure she didn't, but it was really cute.
It's really really cute.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
So it's a good poncho. Sarah loves a poncho, as
we know. Yes, she wears them well.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
She wears them.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I don't understand panchos, even with all of your travels.
I don't understand covering all the effort you make. I
don't understand it's a very cover. It's like a blank
I don't understand it is like a blanket. I also blanket.
I don't understand. We're so insecure as people and we
(31:30):
always try and use the one thing we feel a
bit secure about it, whatever it is. Yes, and I
feel like the ponchos just negates.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
All of it. So great, but this is what I
love about Sarah Jessica. Yes, the rules do not apply.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
They don't apply. And also, like her charm, it comes
from somewhere else, like other people have to create that.
She It's vibration, is its vibration, it's the way she listens,
it's it's another thing.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I agree, I agree, And that's why you can't really
copy it. True, you can try, but true, you know, true,
it's not it's not wise. I personally don't think to
just try to copy it. You know, no offense to
on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I'm sorry, That's why it never works. Or sometimes you
know when someone says to you, oh my god, you
look so good today, and then you wear that outfit again,
but they don't realize is they're saying that because probably
something else. Maybe you had the best sex of your
life the night before and it's showing in your cheeks,
or maybe you had a really good cup of coffee, yes,
or maybe you're very sad. You don't have sadness makes
you beautiful, but it's definitely not just the outfit. No,
(32:35):
that's so true.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
But then you do think, like, well, that was a
good outfit. I'm gonna read it again. It doesn't work out.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
It's so true.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
You're so smart? Yeah, so smart, so smart.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Okay, so this is when So this has made me laugh.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
So Carrie's in her apartment and she's wondering, also, can
I just say, do you ever think about this when
you're watching the show? We say and just like that
almost every episode, and I never realized it. Like literally,
I thought we said and just like that, Miranda became
a mother when she has Brady.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Oh the old ones. Yeah, we say it like every episode.
I am shocked. I'm just going to bring it up.
But then I thought, Kristin already knows that, and I
don't want to look. No, every time, I'm like, oh what,
I literally noticed it, and it's kind of blowing my mind.
I was like, wait a minute, I didn't never notice
me neither me neither.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
But it just flows so easily, easily because when we
decided to create and just like that, I thought, why
are we calling it and just like that, and no
one said this, no, And because I was scared to
say that, I didn't know why we were calling at that.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I love it. We always see we're in troubles.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
So funny, I know, were like, I assume I should
know this, And then someone else told me it was
because when Miranda had Brady, Carrie's voiceover says and just
like that, Miranda, and I was like, okay, that's a
good reason.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Nobody didn't realize say it every every episode it's Falinadi. Yeah,
you guys, this is so much fun that we're going
to have to have a part two, So join us
later in the week on Are You as Charlotte
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You guys so excited? Are you so excited? I have
been looking forward to this. The incredible serrated Childer is here.
It is a joy. It is such a joy for me,
so catching up on the show, just wanting to watch
all the I'm I'm a little addicted. So I honestly,
(00:27):
I'm kind of like, I can't I know these chairs
from watching the show.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'm very I love having you here. It's been a
fun week. I feel like being together is just exactly
what I need. That's all I want, right, Ye's all
I want to Yeah, And then we get to rewatch
the old show, I know, and it's a particularly interesting
episode that I can't wait to get your feelings on.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
But before that, I want to do the thing.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
That I love to do with those of us cast members, right,
which is really so interesting on so many levels. And
as you said when you sat down, it's very me right, yes,
because we're here on the podcast, which is kind of
like a show you talk about the old show, and
then also and just like that, because obviously you are
an incredibly important part of interest like that, which we
love so much and you're just a joy in so
(01:16):
many ways, and I personally am just so thankful after
having watched you for so many years and been a
fan literally since Mississippi Masala, which was you know.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Such a like still such a such a glorious and
fascinating like just Bam Arrival, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I just saw it recently, and even I was like,
how can this movie have been made that long ago?
Three years ago? Because it's a comedy, it's very political,
it's a love story. It's between you and Denzel Washington,
Oh my god, which thank god. I I mean, obviously
I knew he had just won the Oscar for Glory,
(01:57):
but he was he was still new on the scene, neish,
and like, I couldn't do that now, like there has
there's something about being naive that allows you to because
at that age, you're just trying to be cool and
make sure your hair is doing this, that's all you're
thinking about. Yes, now I would die, of course, and
(02:18):
I don't even know how. I yeah, I can't even imagine.
And you were so present well to you when you
see it. But I remember the director Mirah saying at
one point, I feel like you never really look at
him in the eye and I which is true because
I was too shy, and I remember saying, well, I'm
(02:41):
saving that for the love scene. It was my it
was a fake answer, a great answer, and then that's
actually what happened. Because I was so here, I just thought,
if I look at him, that's enough.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Oh amazing, so amazing. And sometimes I'll be on a
plane and I'll just be watching something that because I've
watched everything, right, and.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
There's Serena like in the green what's the green thing?
And You're like the Green Night. Yes, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Mean you just played such amazing and fascinating characters. And oh,
I'm just I just always want you to be on
screen always.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Oh my god, that's such a I do. I'm a day.
I'm going to read. Listen to this that sentence. Well,
I don't ever.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Want you to have a bad day, but if you do,
please please just call me, and I will.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I'm just happy that we're talking because if you think
about we don't have scenes together exactly except a group scene,
and on those group days, it's so fun because you
and I chat a lot. And Will I remember we
were doing the Halloween, Oh episode and I was sitting
and I think I was talking with Sarah, Jessica and
Nicole and you know who else was there, maybe Cynthia.
(03:53):
And we were talking. I was confessing to something and
you were way over there and there was something about
you that you, you know, me, kind of oddly you
could hear and you ran over and you said what
are you saying? And I was like, wait, I've been
talking for a long time and this and you were like, no,
you just said something and it was what And I
remember thinking, how does she she kind of you haven't
(04:15):
tenna for me. I do definitely, And I remember early
on you helped me a lot in like the second
episode of season one, the second episode, I was in
a hallway and oh, I remember that. You just said
how are you feeling? And I was like, I just
it was a lot for me. Yeah, And you took
(04:38):
me into a side conference room and we had a
great chat. And I just remember thinking, oh, she can
relate to this. This means I don't have to get
comfortable too early. I have time.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yes, you know, yes, And I think too, And I mean,
this is really what I wanted to start with, because
for us, we knew that bringing in new people was
what we wanted to do. But we also had some
understanding of the fact that it would be strange to
be that new person, right, and not that we could
necessarily understand all the different ways that it would be strange,
(05:10):
but we just knew in general that it would be
strange and really really wanted to make it a welcoming,
you know, when you were the transition as much as possible,
so that you could feel comfortable. Because when I look
back at the early seasons, that was me. I mean,
all I see is my anxiety.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
That's what you kind of told me and helped me,
because I think also we forget that you had that beginning.
So when you confessed all of it to me, it
just something happened to me where I was like, I
may not get it till season two. That's fine, total.
I'm just they didn't hire me to get it. They
hired me to join and.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Absolutely and the truth is, just being present is all
that's required, and they absolutely are.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
You don't have to be.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Like good in the heels, No the props, blah blah blah,
No one even knows all that. I mean, it's fun
for us to talk about it and sometimes I think
it's fun for people to hear about it totally, but
those are not the important parts. The important parts is
just being present. And to me, you are the most grounded.
Oh well you really are like just like er like oh,
(06:18):
just so grounded, which is why I think watching you
do all of the Sema things which I.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Know are not you, you know at all.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I mean, you have your own very very interesting situation
in life, and you know, talking to you about your
travels and your life and your world, it's like it
could be.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
A whole show in and of itself, right, but it's
not Seama. No, I don't navigate the world like Sema,
not at all. But you know, it was really helpful
I think when after that conversation with you and then
Sarah Jessica also was very I remember she didn't try
to fix anything. If she saw me kind of trying
to figure something out, she just let it be and
(06:58):
I was like, oh okay. And also MPK, it was
like I was part of some new clown class for
Glamour and when you guys were on when he was
on your on this podcast, when you guys, which I
couldn't get over that story you told about the dunes
and having to sit in a chair like position before
(07:18):
you pop up pretending to be so heels in sand
in the shard desert, those loudspeakers that always sound muffled.
You don't know what they're saying. You get When you
told that story, it made me think. When I joined,
I was like, Okay, mpk's got this kind of brilliant
(07:40):
at clown math, which you use the word precise. With him,
I started to realize, oh, okay, it's very precise. But
what I realized he wants you to bring you with precision,
whereas when you join a show like this, you think
I just have to be precise and do this other thing.
(08:00):
And when you start to realize you want my heart
with that precision, then I got it, and then I
started having fun. But he was so good at being
like strata. It's what you do that I love. And yes,
you have to put the cup down and walk in
the heels and like the cigarette. You have to do
(08:22):
all that right, and that's your homework. But and that
was the I love his comedy training.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I know it's very specific and unique.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's a math class. It is like physics. We deserve
a diploma degree degree. I agree totally. I agree totally.
So let's backtrack a little bit because.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I know I've asked you this in private, and I'm
sure so many people have, so I apologize, but I
do love to have it on record, like when did
you watch Sex and the City in your life? And
what were your thoughts before you ever? Like medicine came
to be with us, right, So I when I moved
to New York The only reason I think I came
(09:04):
to it late was you know, when you moved to
a city, you don't necessarily have apartments with TVs or
with cable, so there was a lot of delay and
you just watch whatever the boyfriend you're with at the time.
You're not really you don't have a you're always out also,
but I came to it there was a summer in
(09:26):
Italy where I was going through heartbreak and I was
staying in my friend Paolo's apartment and he had left
and I was staying there for two weeks and he
had the tapes and I started watching and.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
It helped me with my heartbreak. So I was a
bit I got a bit addicted. So I was supposed
to be out in the city of Rome, and instead
I was home a lot and I got really addicted
and it became this private secret because I didn't want
to say. I went to Italy and I watched Texas City.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Its supposed to be on a vespa with a guy,
and I aha, it helped me if I needed it.
And even rewatching I'm sure this happens to you. Rewatching
the old the early episodes. It's so good and why
it holds up now where we should be moved on
from a lot of these things we were concerned about.
(10:22):
They're still kind of fresh. I know, wild, it is wild.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I mean that was really why I wanted to do
the podcast, But I was thinking there would be a
lot more things that weren't true, right, But I mean
there's like technical changes, right, like dating apps whatever, blah blah,
as you so wonderfully portray and just like that, But
the elements, the issues, the internal parts are exactly the same.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It shocks me. I was watching some of the other
night and I was like, why am I relating so well? Yeah,
it almost makes me relieve not to be in my
twenties and thirties.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
It definitely makes me relieve to be in my twenties
and thirties, because I do think that, like the I
went to this event last night here at I Heeart
and this adorable woman came up to me. It was
so many adorable fans. It was an advertising thing, but
they were fans. They were just so sweet and so
many different ages, and you know that's like very gratifying.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Totally to see.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yes, And when I was meeting a bunch of people
and this one woman said.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I just have to talk to you because I went
on this date last night.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
It was an incredible first date and it was through
one of the apps, and he brought me flowers. And
then today he said I don't want another date, and
I was like, oh my god, let's sit down, let's talk.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
You're so cute you sat down with her.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Well, because I'm in it too, you know what I'm
saying as you and I, you know, being single.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yemen, and we don't we're not on the apps, so
it's not weirder exactly. But I'm trying to understand the apps, right.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
So people keep talking to me about the apps, and
I'm fascinated as we talk about and the show.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Me what you learn. It's confusing, Okay, it's not great news.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I don't think I'm I'm I feel for the for
the twenties and thirties, I really feel for them, because
I do feel like now there's this incredible pressure to
be on the apps, right, Like everyone's supposed to be
on the apps and it's supposed to go great. And
I do know people who've met there completely others, right,
But from what I'm hearing on a day to day basis,
(12:19):
it's a hot mess. It's a hot mess and a
lot of work and a lot of the time which
I do not have, And I'm very scared and I
don't want to go on that.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And also I don't want to become dumber with that work.
You know, it's the same time it takes to read
a book. So how do you gauge, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Well? Put, well put, Okay, let's go back to the
heartbreak when you watch the show. Because one of the
things that I've been hearing from just people in general,
on the street, whatever, everywhere, which I think is fascinating,
(12:57):
is that Sex and the City is now considered comfort
for watching. Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
And I mean when we were starting in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It was radical.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, it was radical and shocking and like divisive.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It's still kind of When I was watching episodes, I
was like, this is still radical, right, but.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yet people will say to me, Oh, I put this
on the background at night time before I'm going to
bed because it makes me feel good.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Well, I relate to the feel good because we're such
messed up human beings. Yeah, and the show reflects that,
and so it's radical in that it doesn't cover that up,
and that is super comforting. I think that's right, you know,
I think that's right. Yeah, you go like, well they're
in it too, oh my god. And also a lot
(13:47):
of wrong things happen in the show, like people like
and back then when I watched this episode, yeah, I
was like, whoa, there's some politically incorrect stuff that is wild.
But I grew up up with that and that kind
of comedy, so I oddly miss it, even though I'm
glad times have changed. Of course, you know we're not
(14:08):
saying certain things. Yeah, but how things have changed. What
we didn't pull with it enough? I think, is that
audacity and wild inappropriate because we are inappropriate at times.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, people are crazy. People are crazy people are crazy
for sure. And that's also I mean, first of all,
the first season. When I watched the first season, I
was like, every man here is awful. Whenever we watched,
like shockingly awful.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
But I also.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Remember being back then and they all seem familiar, and
they were all based on real stories.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
That's interesting, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
And I think that was just we were just like
used to that, Yes, I do. We were used to
like withholding, and you know we it was normal to
us exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
We didn't think twice about it. That's interesting, and now
you look at it and you go, whoo who.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Right now, I don't think necessarily that people are any better,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I don't. I just think maybe.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Like how we talk about it is different, maybe, and
or I feel and I could be wrong, but I
feel like women are more powerful in the mix.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I hope I'm right. I think you're right. What I
wonder is what happens when women get more powerful, but
then the new ways of the apps and the still
lack of natural collision is what happens when you get
more powerful and you can't use that power. And this
(15:37):
is where we're at.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I think this is where we're at right because one
of the things that like this woman was saying to
me last night, and I have this other guy who
showed me his riah and I'm just like still trying
to process. And then I had this other guy come on,
an actor from the show who told me, who told
me like, why are you on Rio?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
And I was like, I can't go on that thing.
I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And then he was like, oh, you know, you go
on and then you swipe left right.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
This is what I've learned.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
And then and then he said to me that you
you text and then you sext before you meet them.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Hold on, you text and then you sext before.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
This is what Mark Fuerstein told me. So then I'm
still shocked. Okay, people are nodding, all right in this room.
All right, the youngsters are nodding.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But how can you I don't know. Okay, So it's
based on the text and the picture. Yes, yes, oh
I god, I know you are. That's that's what's funny.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
We are like a dinosaurus is but is it not fascinating?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
So so first of all, I could never I love
that you're also teaching me this, which you just you
just learned it and you're teaching me. And I'm like,
oh my god, I'm in the mix. I'm trying to
figure it out right, but it's weird. So what did
they say to that? Like, what's well? So I'm talking
to this young man.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I'm I'm not gonna say who he is, Okay, okay,
but he is a friend's son and he's thirty one
and he's you know, got it all going on, right,
And he was like, what do you mean you're not
on Ryan?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
And I'm like, ah, you know, so he said, goes,
let me show it to you.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So he go. He gets out is Riah and he's
scrolling through all the ladies, all the ladies that he's
texting with. There's so many Okay, most of them are
not quirky, Yeah, quicker than I would have liked. No,
he's like, slow down, I want to read, but I
don't think he really wanted me to read. And they're
not wearing total outfits, so that's one thing to say,
(17:33):
you know what I'm saying, Like they're they're creatively scantily clad,
not like obvious, but like, you know, just creatively.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Like I'm ok. He's so confused right now because we
play characters that are often often scantily clad, and yet
that's true. I'm literally like this, like, no, that's funny.
Playing a character is different than life. Totally agreed. But
as you know, people confuse that.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
That's so true and good point, and you just really
beautifully were scantily clad this past season. I mean a
lot sometimes, Molly, are customers to make pictures of me.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Sometimes it's all about how I get to set to
the bed and get under It's all the crew. I
don't want them to have to like I'm with you
watch me. Well, they get to watch you. But I understand,
I understand. That's where I think more shyness comes than
the millions who are going to see.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Of course, because you're in the scene and you're paying
attention to Marshall or who you know, to Logan.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Sorry, totally so many names beautiful.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
All interesting names, yes, but but yeah, you once you're in,
you're you're in the scene. But getting into the scene
is very It's like the transition between Sita.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
And it just takes one person to be like, oh sweetie,
let me and you're the towel drops and you're like,
what you're internally screaming, oh my god. Totally.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
But going back back to the ladies, ladies Ryan, the
ladies are creatively scantily clad right, like they're hiking. They
just happened to be wearing a very small sports bra
or whatever, you know, and they're like, I'm hiking, so
you know, stuff like that. And then he's showing me
the texts, right, and I'm trying to read but he's
going too fast.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, And I mean, i didn't see any.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Naked pictures, but I'm sure that was on purpose journey
me and I'm sure they were there and he just
didn't want to tell me.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
And then at a certain point, I say, well, well.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
What happens with these with these with these women, like
you're texting with all these women.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
What happens?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
He goes, oh, then I just go to them and
I'm like wait, what why? And he goes, well, because
I get you know, I got a hit, I got
like a positive you know, dopamine rush or whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
And I'm I'm good. Then WHOA, I know, I don't
like that, right, it's sad and this is somebody and
he admits it with no shame. Definitely didn't seem to
be feeling shamed. Are we still in dinosaur therapy land?
Like are you guys? Like, oh my god, no one's
(19:53):
going to care about this except our listen, baby, this
is my podcast.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
So he says it more likely we want he true.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
He says it more like, oh no, this is a
good side of it that he gets out of it. Well,
he was.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Trying to tell me to be on it. Number one, Yeah,
Number two he was trying to explain it. And then number.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Three that was just like, uh, I think the truth.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I mean I felt in the moment it was the truth.
And the thing that I think is interesting about this
is that this is a person who I would put
on like a high emotional intelligence quotient.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
He's a super smart guy, he's been in therapy, he's sober.
There's a lot of positives. So I was thrown by it, right,
But I think the important thing to think about, Okay,
if we think about like say Instagram, right, which I
fully am addicted to Instagram. Yeah, fully you know you're
getting some dopamine from it or you're scrolling until you
get the dope. True, right, So I don't know why
(20:48):
it would be different. Do you know what I'm trying
to say.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well, I guess because if you're already at the point
of sexting someone, because on Instagram we're not we're interacting
with ourselves, yes, and.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Well, I'm not sexing anybody on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Definitely not. So I guess no feelings are her. I
always get word feelings are her.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I'm trying to say is that I don't think they
think they're real people. I don't think they're real people
tell you yeah, necessarily.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I'm not saying that, so I don't know if that's.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
True, but I feel like it is. I feel like
it's not that big of a leap.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
It's though, because they're like Kristin, you should be on
these and you can't even get beyond the Why are
you scrolling so faster? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yes, I'd be fascinating how you would navigate a n app. Yeah,
I know.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I mean. Nicole seems to think that I should do it,
and she wants to do it for me, But I'm
like Nicole, I'm very, very scared, and I don't want
to do it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I love that because Nicole, Nicole, I feel would never
do it. For herself. I don't think so either. I
tried to get her to say if.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
She would or wouldn't, but it's impossible for her to
imagine being single obviously, you know what I mean. I get,
which it's true, yes, But her point was, you know,
there was a point in time when the kids were
little and we would say boris and I would say
to the kids, we're going out, and they would be
like what she was trying to say that I should
take time for myself and that that time should be
spent dating, which to me, I'm like, I would like
(22:08):
to take time for myself to go on a hike.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Like you, well, I think you don't have an opinion
until you need it, Like if you fell in love,
you'd have an opinion, but because sure, because until you
have that cross your love there, what is all this talk?
It's theoretical. Yeah, it's very theoretical. But isn't it fascinating?
It is, Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And I do feel like when we were talking about
watching the show and thinking, you know, we're happy that
we're not in our twenties and thirties, right, And I
think because when I watch the show, and in particular
this episode, the funny episode. Yeah, I found it depressing.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Now sometimes I watch the show and I find it
super invigorating me too, And I think it's great and
we're powerful and we're yes, we're messy, but we're powerful
messy and we.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Have each other right. But the fuck Buddy, for some reason,
really made me sad. It's so funny because the whole
time I was like, why did Kristin pick this one
for me to watch? Like I couldn't be sorry, no,
and I and then I realized it's not even personal,
like it's I just warned you on the show, but
it did. It also made me there was a melancholy
(23:15):
in there, a tawdreness most definitely. Yeah, And I.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Don't feel like there necessarily should be right, Like you
should be able to have a fuck buddy, do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Not you sed Toada, but anyone should be able to
have that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And then I think the sadness is that, you know,
Dean Winters plays that character so so beautifully, and if
he wanted to come on the show, I don't know
where he is. Dean such a great guy, he shouldn't
show I know, I don't know where he is Dean.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
We need you to come on.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
We need do we have a we have a I
have like a side episode to do catching up with Friends.
Dean needs to be on Catching Up with Friends nice anyway,
but also some fans have been on Instagram asking for Dean,
so you know he needs to come on. But he
I think he plays the part so beautifully and there
is such a sadness at the end.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I was shocked by that, right because you don't expect that.
The way he looks at her, it's almost like he
knows what she has decided. And he's not even doing
the line of like, oh well, I have to get
up early, too too quickly. He's just kind of looking
at her as he says it. It's almost the beginning
of what could be romance.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I know. But then it isn't sad because they know
you can't recover from if that tastes.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
This episode is episode two fourteen, so we're in the
second season. It is nineteen ninety nine when it airs,
I know, Crazy to think.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
About, and it's called The Buddy.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
It is directed by Alan Taylor, who's a great director
who we borrowed from The Sopranos. Is the second director
that we are now borrowing from the Sopranos. Alan Coulter
was first, then comes All and Taylor later will come
Timmy Van Patten. All amazing directors and really went so
fluidly between the two. It's super fascinatingful, Yeah, super fascinating.
(25:14):
We love Alan one day, I'd like to have Alan
on as well. And David Lansbury plays Miranda's very angry
Day who is the son of Angela Lansberry.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I'm just realizing as you said that, right, that was
interesting Castle, wasn't it? Like straight up from with early episodes?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Right?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
The early episodes are wild, I know, so wild and crazy.
They're like a needle with heroin mixed in with like
a high heel. It's so true, it's so true. Okay,
So here we are.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And here's Carrie and Skipper, which really cracks me up.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Cracks me up, just them walking.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Right, and like why is Carrie friends with Skipper?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah? And she's eating I love that scene. See, I
remember tells you do. I love it because that's what
you think. You're like, who is this? Why she? That's
what you think, And that's when you know the show
is good because you're like look at all our friends
in New York. That's true. It just situated me in
New York. That would happen anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
No, you're absolutely one, right, And it's also like the
people kind of come and go and then you reconnect,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
And then later Miranda see Skipper on the street, which
is so real, so real, so real, and she's trying
to catch up with He's like, ah, he's all very angry,
and then he's kind of funny turned on because he's angry, right,
which is.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Depressing. Who gave Yeah, that's backup.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So then we see Miranda on a date with this
super angry guy, and it's funny because Miranda is technically
the angriest of us, right right, So it's so interesting
to see her being with someone who's like exponentially more
angry than her completely and she's like the caretaker.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
And also it's weird to see a character like him
because when we lived in our version of New York,
no one had a boyfriend like him, but.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
There were a lot of guys like that, mostly guys
like yeah, because I was a waitress at that point.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Oh for sure, No, me too. I was a waitress,
but I was a waitress in a place like even
a guy like him didn't come that much. So then
when I saw it, I remember thinking, oh my god,
those were the guys that I would be scared to
go on a date with on every level.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Oh yeah, I mean I do love in a way
that Miranda is on a date with him because she's
not scared.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Right, Miranda's not scared, and she's not.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
She's not cowed by him, right, But it is interesting
to see her kind of going to the caretaking I'm
gonna wipe this glass off so he doesn't yell at
the waitress.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Like.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's all very interesting and slightly odd, right, it's just
super super interesting. Merril Marco and I hope I get
this right was the executive producer of Letterman, and previously
I think had been a calm and I remember that
she was a big influence on Darren in terms of
(28:05):
New York and you know the vibe, you know what
I mean, And it was really cool to have her input.
I don't think she really I'd love to look her up,
like just what you just said.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
That's an interesting person.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Oh this is a funny, funny episode.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I forgot about this scene.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
This is a scene where we have the picnic in
the park, and first of.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
All, when you guys arrived. Also, Kristen, you literally sometimes
look like a schoolgirl, I know, and then the other
times you look like breakfast at Tiffany's.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
You know. It shrings me back to the scene, which
is kind of funny because this scene is like, you know,
there's those certain outfits that are now like like say,
you know, Halloween costumes of Miranda or whatever. This is
one of them where she's got a hood and then
I had over her hood.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
This is a picnic scene. M m and Sarah has
two yeah, no Miranda. I remember it was like.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Like incognitio, ask me what was going on, except that
it was cold. Like when I watch it, I remember
that itsky of those weird friends where it would.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Go up and then down and then up and then down.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Sarah Jessica, she has Heidi Heidi ponytails, yes, and like
a journal which you know, we're still we're still in
the journal world. Yes, And I just remember that I
was sitting there and I would look at Sarah who's
in the Heidi.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Outfit, and we were like, what show am I?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I was like, how could I not lave that is funny?
I know, I just remember that they find it funny
about themselves, so they can't see it because it's too cold.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Also, we're just trying to please Pat. I think at
that point, you know what I'm saying, like, and we
didn't really have the budget, and we're just still trying
to find ourselves, and I don't know what the heck.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Man, No, I'm kind of getting moved by how much
in your own heads you must have been like, I
won if this show is going to work because of that,
we still don't know. We still don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Everyone says to me when they come on, actors, other
actors you know who were on the show. Back it
was the hottest thing, and I'm like, no, I don't
think so, And now too, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I didn't feel that way, you know. I know, so
you don't know that way because back then there wasn't Instagram.
There wasn't things telling you except the reviews, yes, which
were not good because they were older white men told
were like, who are these Well, yeah, you had no idea,
who do they think they are? I love this?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
So then so we have this picnic in the park
and we talk about Carrie says single and fabulous. Oh
oh oh, the poncho, the poncho. She's wearing the poncho
over the journal. It's very cool. She takes it off,
that comes back, and then just like that and my
pretend daughter Kathy puts it on. Lily, sorry, Lily puts
it on. Do you remember this thing?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
You remember?
Speaker 1 (30:45):
And then at some point Kathy told me when she
came on the podcast that she told Sir Jessica that
she did know how to put it on right or something.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Kathy was like, I made a faux pas and I
was like what, I don't know, and she probably did it'
I know, I'm sure she didn't, but it was really cute.
It's really really cute.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
So it's a good poncho. Sarah loves a poncho, as
we know. Yes, she wears them well.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
She wears them.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I don't understand panchos, even with all of your travels.
I don't understand covering all the effort you make. I
don't understand it's a very cover. It's like a blank
I don't understand it is like a blanket. I also blanket.
I don't understand. We're so insecure as people and we
(31:30):
always try and use the one thing we feel a
bit secure about it, whatever it is. Yes, and I
feel like the ponchos just negates.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
All of it. So great, but this is what I
love about Sarah Jessica. Yes, the rules do not apply.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
They don't apply. And also, like her charm, it comes
from somewhere else, like other people have to create that.
She It's vibration, is its vibration, it's the way she listens,
it's it's another thing.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I agree, I agree, And that's why you can't really
copy it. True, you can try, but true, you know, true,
it's not it's not wise. I personally don't think to
just try to copy it. You know, no offense to
on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I'm sorry, That's why it never works. Or sometimes you
know when someone says to you, oh my god, you
look so good today, and then you wear that outfit again,
but they don't realize is they're saying that because probably
something else. Maybe you had the best sex of your
life the night before and it's showing in your cheeks,
or maybe you had a really good cup of coffee, yes,
or maybe you're very sad. You don't have sadness makes
you beautiful, but it's definitely not just the outfit. No,
(32:35):
that's so true.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
But then you do think, like, well, that was a
good outfit. I'm gonna read it again. It doesn't work out.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
It's so true.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
You're so smart? Yeah, so smart, so smart.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Okay, so this is when So this has made me laugh.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
So Carrie's in her apartment and she's wondering, also, can
I just say, do you ever think about this when
you're watching the show? We say and just like that
almost every episode, and I never realized it. Like literally,
I thought we said and just like that, Miranda became
a mother when she has Brady.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Oh the old ones. Yeah, we say it like every episode.
I am shocked. I'm just going to bring it up.
But then I thought, Kristin already knows that, and I
don't want to look. No, every time, I'm like, oh what,
I literally noticed it, and it's kind of blowing my mind.
I was like, wait a minute, I didn't never notice
me neither me neither.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
But it just flows so easily, easily because when we
decided to create and just like that, I thought, why
are we calling it and just like that, and no
one said this, no, And because I was scared to
say that, I didn't know why we were calling at that.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I love it. We always see we're in troubles.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
So funny, I know, were like, I assume I should
know this, And then someone else told me it was
because when Miranda had Brady, Carrie's voiceover says and just
like that, Miranda, and I was like, okay, that's a
good reason.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Nobody didn't realize say it every every episode it's Falinadi. Yeah,
you guys, this is so much fun that we're going
to have to have a part two, So join us
later in the week on Are You as Charlotte
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