September 11, 2025 • 33 mins
Nicole Ari Parker returns for a little Sex in the City. She joins Kristin to analyze Carrie when she meets Jon Bon Jovi. Kristin and Nicole have a clear diagnosis of Jon Bon Jovi's character’s behavior as he delivers a real zinger to Carrie in bed. Carrie, Samantha, Charlotte, and Miranda all have strong feelings about therapy—will you agree? No charge for this session.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to Are You a Charlotte?
Part two? Thanks for joining us. Here we go. You
know what we're going to talk about. We're going to
talk about.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So also, I went to the archive for this one.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I know, I know well because I'm so I'm watching
from the beginning, right, okay, great, and we're only in
the second season, so this is episode two thirteen, so
it's literally nineteen ninety nine. Take yourself back to nineteen
ninety nine. Would you have seen this show in nineteen
ninety nine or was there some delay in terms of
when you were watching Sex and the City.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I was twenty eight and I think still broke, so
I didn't have cable.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I was living on one hundred and a Street in
the little six floor walk up, so I hadn't seen it. Wow, No,
I didn't see it later?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Okay, okay? Cool? I binged later? Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Or if I was at a friend's house when in
my two I would go over their house of course, yes.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Got it. So this particular episode is called games People Play, Yes,
and it is memorable for so many reasons and really
enjoyable for so many reasons and for me because I
have I know, right Jon bon Jovi, Oh my god,
I mean I remember when this was happening only because
it was so bizarre, Like the meeting of world is
(01:24):
so good. He's so good, right, Why didn't that matter
have an acting career?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
No, I mean it was so good.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I mean he's so simple, I know, but fascinating. And
when we get to the end of his sto cutting.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Like right, I can feel the nineteen ninety nine collective size,
so could.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I like, it really took me back. I mean it
really did. But yet he's so honest about it. That
part wasn't didn't ring a bell. I didn't have any
men in my life who I think we're honest in
nineteen ninety nine about themselves and their sh shortcomings, right,
But like he's so just like lazy, I guess because
he's in therapy, which we'll get to any minute. But
I mean it's so good anyway. The thing that is
(02:09):
adorable about this episode so many things, but it's written
by Jenny Biggs, who came later to be our executive producer,
and it's incredible and make her own shows and we
love her very much. And it's directed by Michael Spiller,
who had been our DP WOW, And I think this
is his first episode directing, and he always wanted to direct,
and he had He was one of those dps where
he was really involved in a lot, you know what
(02:29):
I'm saying, Like like had a lot of thoughts about
blocking and whatever. You know, he was very involved, but
he was very excited about directing, and I think he
did a great job. Like it was, it was.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So good, and the window watching in Miranda's window, I
didn't see it coming, right.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Really, you don't remember that. It's funny, right, it's funny,
so good, it's really interesting. I couldn't. I didn't remember
what happened either. I remember that she had to flash
because anytime where Cynthia has been naked, I always had
a lot of anxiety because I knew she didn't care
about anything. She has no fear, right, and I knew
no one was protecting her on set, so I would
always try to be like, should I come, should I
tell someone?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
You know?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
But it was all fine me, but I had anxiety
based on previous scenes she done where people would put
her in like positions I didn't think were like the
best or I mean, and I was like, why did
someone protect Cynthia? You know, but because she didn't care.
She has no fear or ego whatsoever, which, of course
you were so amcaring.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I remember one time we were shooting and you were like,
Nicole hasn't eaten. Okay, she got here at four thirty
in the morning, and we've pushed lunch. I think someone
can get her some grapes.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I know. I mean honestly, sometimes I would push lunch
for so long and we're trying to remember our lines
and agains very hard, very hard.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I'm glad I spoke up for you many times.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'm so glad, baby, I'm so glad. Okay. So we
have the incredible John bon Jovi in this episode, which
is just even weird to say. I mean, I grew
up on Jovi like they were inescapable and fundamental to
like the eighties. It's crazy that John bungjo he was
on our show. Oh my god. I'm still like, oh
my god. Anyway, So the thing that I also find
(04:09):
really funny and amazing about this particular episode, So this
is when Big and Carrie have broken up in the
season the episode before, and it begins with this really
funny montage of Carrie just basically complaining about her and
Big to all of us separately and then together and
talking about how now she can play her music and
all these different things. But also it's kind of over
(04:29):
the top, and when people complain about Carrie being narcissistic,
which I don't believe at all, but it's it's it's
so over the top that it's almost like they somehow
knew that this complaint was going to be coming, you know,
fifteen years later or whatever it is you I mean.
And also the funny thing is that people also say
like that we never told her the truth. We totally
(04:50):
tell her the truth of this episode. Yes, she just
doesn't listen to it, which is how we all are
with our friends, right. It's so funny. So this, to me,
this is the episode that I'm going to get out
and remind people of the next time people want to
complain about Carrie, go to episode two thirteen exactly Gator
people play, because man, it's all here, it's all here.
(05:11):
So it's a really funny scene where she's just like,
you know, and I just kept trying and trying trying,
and then we're all just looking at her like, oh God.
And then finally Miranda says, you know, maybe you should
go to therapy, which is hysterical. I don't remember any
of this, So of these episodes I look back on,
I remember nothing, which is weird. But you know, it's
(05:34):
like the middle of the night and everything, you know
hadn't slept. I don't know. And also in this one,
I think Charlotte doesn't have the storyline because back in
the olden days, when we were twenty two minutes, there'd
be a B C D storyline, and D is very little, yes,
and so.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Differently the last two and a half minutes maybe.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Exactly or just Pepper three peer through group scenes or whatever. Whatever.
I'll take that any day, you know what I'm saying.
But anyway, side note, I digress. So it's a funny
scene to me. And then this is also really funny
because Charlotte mentions her parents, which we almost never hear about,
right as you know, it's like this kind of you
know thing where we never really dealt with our families.
(06:11):
So everyone's talking about how they feel about therapy. Miranda's
trying to get Carrie to go Carrie's like, I don't
believe in therapy, and then Samantha's very funny says, honey,
we're all just as st up as you are. It's
like the blind leaving the blind, which I think is
hysterical and so true. But isn't that what friends are for,
right to blindly be stumbling through life and life's challenges together.
(06:33):
That's the point of friendship, I think, not to be
like a therapist helping each other, you know what I mean.
Then I say, Charlotte says that she doesn't believe in
shrinks and that her family doesn't believe in shrinks. That
we believe everything could be sold by physical exercise, and
that's why they're all very good at tennis. Isn't that funny?
(06:58):
And then when you and I played tennis together the
many many years later, that was fun time. It was
really fun. Then we have adorable Stanford, who basically says
to Carrie that he has three therapists and that one
of them he just has because he's a really beautiful
man that he wants to look at, which is really funny.
(07:18):
So that's so adorable. And then oh my god, then
we say that Stanford wants to send Carrie to doctor Greenfield,
who is like a very desirable psychiatrist because Gwyneth Paltrow
sees her because she suffers from high self esteem.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
A oh, my goodness, suffers from my self esteem. It's
so funny, but I love the advice she gives Carrie.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Oh it's good.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
She says, maybe the problem is you, I know, because
you're the through line in all these bad relationships. And
I didn't take it as a dig so much as
more like you're and she explained it you're picking these guys.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
It's true, but you can see Carrie's very confused. She's like,
these guys are games with me.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
But they're all kind of playing the same game. It's
so maybe, you know, it makes you think, am I
attracted to this kind of if you like dramatic drama?
I am I pulling this drama in Am I getting
neglected in a way that I constantly need it?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I know?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Or am I you know?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Do I like jerks? I know? I hate these questions
so much being a single woman, we got to say
to these questions, do you Nicole?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I know?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I don't know. You know, I really like since I've
been doing the show, obviously, it gets discussed a fair amount,
and people talk to me about the apps and everything.
I just can't do it. I mean, you might have
been there when Sir Jessica threatened to put me on
the riot. Were you there?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I was like, you should know why, because first of all,
I'm terrified.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
No no, and I'm going to answer as you no no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Please don't please don't please don't please no, no, no, please no.
Thirty episodes? No, please, don't please too extra. I'm really
glad it was thirty episodes and that's a nice round number.
I hadn't counted up. It's not enough, but at least
it's a nice round number. The reason I don't want
to be on Riah is two things. Number One, Candace
Bushnell came on the podcast and we got a lot
(09:16):
of info about Riya from Candace. She's very active on there.
It's not a good picture that she drew for us. Really. Yeah. No,
It's good for some people, meaning the men folk, not
possibly so great for the women. From what I can
gather at least know about.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You though, is that a lot of people are covering
their real personality. You don't cover your personality. That's true,
very authentic, and if you put yourself on that site,
I feel like men would respond to what you really are.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Can I ask you a question though that relates to
this episode that I did think about what you're saying
while I watched this. So this is called games people play,
And in the episode there is discussion about the games
that men and women play with each other, about dating,
and about once they're in a relationship. Right, and I
Kristen suck at the games like I have no game.
(10:17):
You know when people are like she got game, he
got game? Whatever? No game? Okay, no games.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I think you're very sincere, You're very transparent. You know
where you stand on things.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Why I cannot go on the app? Okay, I'm scared.
I'm scared. Scared, don't be scared. But they're like, I
don't I don't know that they're nice. Do your name's saying?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Do you think they're nice?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well? Yeah, I mean I think that men that would click.
I don't even know how it works, but you.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Have to like them, like them.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I just think with you, the guy that has the
courage to reach out to you is already like seventy
five percent, right you think, Yeah, okay, and then in
the other twenty five you'll find out right away. But
I think that you're not going to get scragglers. You
don't think, No, you're you don't You're not going to
get well, you're giving.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Me a little bit of hope.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
No, like crazy, you're the kind of person that someone's like,
that's that's the one.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
But then my question would be, well, are you thinking
that I'm Charlotte. No, No, I'm not saying that. I'm
just saying that when.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
You listen to you speak, when you you know, a
five minute clip of you would tell people who you are,
like how kind you are and funny you are, and
smart you are, and real you are and hot you are,
and you know, I think someone would know what they're
getting into.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
You think, yeah, all right, maybe one day.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You're really really famous, so he has to come out
the gate kind of confident.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You're not going to.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Get shug sheltered.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
God, you're so funny. Thank you, that's so nice. Can
I tell you my other concern, which I know you
will relate to as your mom's self. Since I've been
doing this and different people have been talking to me
about this, right, I've really contemplated it, like why am
I not doing this? What is holding me back from
doing this? And one of the things is I just
don't really have time to date. Like dating takes time.
(12:16):
You have to leave the house, leave the children, turing mean,
spend time at a dinner with a person that you
don't know, two hours max.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
But like, if your kids are at home watching something
that they want, don't watch when you're around the nanny
is letting them watch squid game.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Jah, stop that. No they're not. But let me ask
you this. And I know it's really hard to imagine
because you have Boris, thank god, but like you know,
my kids are seven and fourteen, right, they still really
need me. I mean especially the seven year old. Like
would you have been like, yeah, I'm gonna go out
and date.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I'm sure there's two hours worth.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Ah, I'm not going to answer that question. You guys,
would you have.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Well, I mean I've been married for twenty years, so
I was like, you know, mommy and daddy are going out. Yeah,
and maybe one time. The first time it's like, but
where a right? And after that they were like bye.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
They to also show your children that, oh, don't even start,
I know where is say don't, don't don't.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
That is the full person and model for them that
being social is safe and and being doing grown up
things is safe. You listen, if you keep playing this game,
mommy doesn't leave the house, your kids are never leaving
the house. You're gonna have twenty seven year olds living
at your house.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
First of all, I'd be fine with that.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Me two secrets. Yeah, but I like that I have
adventurous souls, right. I mean, Sophie is the partier, you know,
but she likes to have the party at home. Oh y, yeah,
she like brings the people over there.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Nice. I think you probably have a really fun house.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
No, I'm I'm I like to be like my house
is my sanctuary. But I have social kids, and which
is good. But it's good for me, right, yes, right,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I mean, you know, min not young, right, And I
mean I don't want to talk too much about them
because of their privacy, etcetera. But like, you know, they're
pretty social. They're pretty social. It's going pretty well. They're
probably more social than myself when I was young.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Or now, how about this, how about for a little
pre New Year's resolution, you don't have to go to
a long dinner okay, from seven to nine okay, okay,
then I would miss bedtime that you would miss bedtime.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
How about breakfast? But the kids didn't do that?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Well, the kids are in school.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Oh you mean after dinner in school? Okay, you dropped them?
Mean when I wake up at six?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
No, don't have a full meal.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Have a little tea, a little croissant, love it. Take
the kids to school and have like an eight thirty breakfast.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Okay. I like that. I like that, you know what.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
There's some parameters there, and you keep that only interested
in Kuss. That's going to get a really interesting group
of people who are going to respond to that. That's
really interesting. All Right, I'm gonna maul that over. I'm
going to take it to heart. I like your advice.
I honor the fact that you're in a really successful,
(15:29):
incredible partnership with an incredible person. So I take your
advice to heart. Thank you, Nicole. And I really have
been mulling it all over, partly because I think also
for me, because of work. Right, my time away from
the kids was for work because obviously we film in
New York. My kids live in La so either they
were with me in the summer, or I was separated
from them and trying to fly back and forth. As
(15:50):
you know, we were both in this mix for a while,
so there wasn't an extra amount of time that I
would go like, oh, now I'm going to be away
from them to date. You know what I'm saying. But
now I theoretically don't have that. Theoretically, they tell me, right,
so I should potentially come up with something else to
do with my time. I guess, is this making any exist?
(16:14):
Do you like my little thinking?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I didn't think it's more self protection and that I
am here to encourage you, as your friend off screen,
to let yourself live.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay, okay, I'm going to try to let myself live you.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I had a few old fashioned things to believe it
or not. And when I met Boris, we were on
a show and we were working together, so it was
very professional. And when we finally admitted that we liked
each other and he wanted to ask me out on
a real date, I had very real concerns about being
on the show.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah and so, but I also.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
When I was a kid, my mom, if a boy
asked me out, he would wait on the sofa, she
would talk to him. I would come downstairs and we
would go out love it. I wasn't even thinking, but
he drags me for this moment. He'd asked me out
on a date on our day off. It was clear
that this was a date, that there was interest, and
(17:13):
I rented a little apartment and he but it was
on the ground floor in a house. So he knocked
on the door and I opened the door and said,
I'll be right out.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
You could have a.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Seat, because it was just this weird response of proper
and I didn't know it was weird until he was like,
excuse me, I'll be out in a second.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It's great, So you're a lady. I was a lady.
Yeah for five minutes, but I was. No.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
We got to know each other. But I'm just saying,
you can respect your boundaries and still live a little Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I think that's good. That's good. That's very balanced, very balanced,
ad by thinking Nicole, I appreciate it. Let's go back
to the episode. Yes games people, games people, Yes, games
people play. Carrie goes to therapy. You believe it. I
(18:20):
need I mean once in the whole thirty years she
went to therapy and the guy the sorry. She meets
Jum ben Jovi in the waiting room, which of course
then takes precedence to what this therapist is saying to her, which,
as you said, is very appropriate advice, which is, maybe
she is the through line of all these be seen
problems in the other person, and then maybe she should
(18:40):
look at herself, which is incredibly good advice generally speaking,
right like in all things. And then and then she
she tells us that that she is she has been
told that she's picking the wrong man, that she's a
game player. And then I say, Charlotte says, you have
to be a game player to deal with men. And
(19:03):
then Miranda says it's delusional to play games. And then
Carrie says, it's the wrong guy's picking her. So we
do some mental gymnastics.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
The representing all the voices.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
We are representing all the voices, all the voices, and
I don't even know what to think. Then we go
to this crazy sports bar, which I don't really remember
at all. This is one of those ones where I'm like,
I guess I was there, I don't remember this. We
go to this sports bar because Samantha thinks we're going
to meet the men's. The men's there, and we do.
We meet some men. Of course, Samantha meets a man
(19:34):
where everything is dependent the sex life is dependent on
whether the Knicks win, which is kind of hysterical. And
that was the time when the Knicks were not winning.
So then she gets very fed up because then he
moves on to baseball and she's like, no, I can't
deal with this. I am often struck when I look
back at these early episodes with what Samantha puts up with.
I know, right, because Samantha is supposed to be like
the most powerful one of us, right, Yeah, she puts
(19:57):
up with a lot, a lot, and then she sweetly
and then she doesn't. She gets she gets through it,
and then there's no gray area, right like whereas the
rest of us might be trying to struggle through, trying
to struggle through. She's like, no, I'm done, which I
really appreciate. So then we're back. John bon Jovi walks
out of the door at the therapist, and I really
(20:18):
thought for a second that he was playing himself because
we've already said that Gwyneth goes to this therapist, right,
And then I was like, wait, does he I couldn't
even remember. No, he's playing another character, but he's still himself.
It's really distracting and strange, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
But he was so good, so good.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, and then once they go to have dinner together,
I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm he's not John bun Job,
he's me too, and they look so good together. Jeezus.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
That Twister game, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
The Twister Game is just beyond and Sara's got those
yellow short songs. It's excellent. I remember all of this
in a vague way of like me being like so curious,
but not wanting to go to the set because I
would be like a luky Loo fan, do you know
what I mean? But I did meet him. He was lovely.
It's just so real. You know, he's such like a
(21:10):
regular guy. You know what was that like for.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
You to be on those to see those sets of
those early years, Like you know, Carrie's apartment has moved on,
and like that Twister game, for example, was in that apartment.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
To me, Carrie's apartment was always Carrie's apartment. I mean
we did redo it in I guess the second film,
and I was like, this wallpaper is whacked like I
wanted to be its regular old dingy self. Do you what
I mean? Like I never wanted any changes, Like in
my mind, Carrie's apartment is still this, Oh do you
know what I'm saying? Like I didn't even care that
Lazette lives there or whatever, doesn't matter, Like Carrie's apartment
(21:46):
is still this in my mind, with that weird, you know,
loungey thing with that kind of crazy fabric garnet that
looks like it's from the eighties, you know what I'm saying. Like,
and the sheets. I love that they have some beautiful
shots of Sir Jusca at night time, I think because
our DP is directing right and her leg is out
and her sheets and it had like kind of dark
swirls on the sheets. And you know, we spent so
(22:09):
much time in that apartment that that apartment to me
is just that apartment and it lives on in my
mind unchanged. You know, it doesn't matter where she moves.
And I did think this is a crazy thought, because
as we all know, the Grammercy Park was a beautiful apartment.
Side note, I just want to say that the small
(22:31):
kitchen is historically accurate to everyone complaining about that. That
is historically accurate, and probably the true kitchen of the
house would have been on the bottom floor, right, but
that building has been separated, so there's you know, the
kitchens didn't always get to live on that were in
the bottom floor unless you had someone restore the whole house.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
And gut and do all those things walls.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Right, So that is one hundred percent accurate. And I'm
so annoyed with everyone talking about the blueprint of our apartments.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
They live in other states.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
It's true they do. It just takes a google, so
Yorkers know it totally. Yeah. Okay, great, I got that
off my off my mind, thank you. So I just
want to talk in my mind when okay, we've got Miranda.
She sees a really cute guy across the way, who's
Who's Who's slightly undressed. She thinks he's looking at her.
I thought he was looking I thought he was looking
(23:24):
her too. She eventually flashes her breast god lover, and
then she sees him in the grocery store and she
plays hide and seek with him, which is the games
people play. I do love the thematic, you know, continuation
through this episode. And then he doesn't know who she is,
and she's like, I live across the airsheft from you,
(23:44):
and then he goes, oh yeah, you live underneath the
guy I am flirting with or whatever, flashing. I know
she's mortified, and I was mortified listening to it, and
I was like, oh me too. I was also shocked.
I didn't remember that part at all.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Do you know what's a funny detail till about that
scene in the grocery store. It's the same grocery store
that I call that LTW you call me Charlotte and says, oh.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
My god, oh my god, help me what this guy
did you know when you were filming that? Seeing that
it was the same and the.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Counter space is set up the same way right where
I have the conversation with you is the same grocery store.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
That's so funny. I wonder if our locations people knew this.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yes, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I love it so much. I'll love it throwback. I
love it so much. Okay, so then we get we're
playing the Twister. The Twister is a dream of two
incredibly attractive people play Twister as a kid. I was like,
I don't remember me too, know me neither.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
No.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
It took some I was.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Like, hey, Boris, did you ever play Twister?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Did he No, not in Germany? Huh no, oh sad, Yeah,
oh we played Twister a lot. Was like high, high level.
It was so sexy, very sexy, because they're very sexy
and very charming. But when they have sex and then
it's afterwards and they're laying in the sheets and Carrie says, hey,
(25:11):
why are you in therapy? And he very simply says,
I'm really picked up with women. I lose interest right
after I sleep with them. The gut punch, the.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Gut punch herd around the world. I mean, but I
loved a man being that honest though. Even if it's
like a knife wound, at least you're knowing it early, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
And you're not home wondering why they're not calling you,
which is a really evil thing to do.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I want to say, I got mommy issues.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, it's not good just talking on the phone. Fess, yeah,
confess your issue. It's much better from Jump, right, yes, right,
I mean it wasn't exactly from Jump because they've already
slept together.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, it was. Well, she didn't ask him until after this.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
That's so true. She would have asked them right away.
I know I was surprised, but I think she doesn't
want him to ask her. Oh right, yeah, you ask
that they're going to ask you, and you're going to
have to say. She doesn't want to say I picked
the wrong men, you know, which is what she says
to him before.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
This is why when you have your coffee and croissant
ate after the drop off.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yes, after, before I call you, you can just have
a couple of questions and no, what should the questions be?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Nicle? What issues have you had with women?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Really?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Oh my god? What are the top three things that
aren't healed in you?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
What small orbic you? Guys? And Nicole wants me to
go to the depth over a quissant. Yeah, wow, I.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Got to get back home and make sure your home
for the kids.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
You're so right? Okay, what else?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
And how do you feel about your own future?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Ooh, that's a good one. I think I would start
with that one. I feel like that one's better, easier.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Well, I think you would give him the cupcake at
the end about your future because the first two are
feel like he doesn't feel judged, but you got to
get the information, okay, and the third one is more
about I'm actually interested in you?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Okay? Do I want to reserve the third question for
whatever the answers might be, meaning I might want to
hear the answers to the first two before I give
the cupcake of the potential future.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Well, I think you can't leave a person broken and exposed.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
So this is the best advise you. Guys.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Oh my god, if he tells you about what I
feel like an honest answer, Yes, and it's both of
you are a little shocked that it's coming out this
soon over coffee at eight thirty in the morning. You
also want to make sure that you are interested in
the joy people want for themselves.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yes, because say you have.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You're attracted to someone he's like, I want to just
surf in Bermuda. Then you know that that gives him happiness.
But you're not an ocean person, you know what I mean.
But you're interested in what brings that person joy, not
what just breaks.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Them for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
And I think you leave a person happy that they're honest,
but also that they're that you've reconnected them to find.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Joy to joy, to joy to joy to their own joy. Yes,
that's so nice, Nicole. I'm here for you. Oh my gosh,
should be a matchmaker. I just watched that movie last night,
Dakota Johnson.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Did you see the Materials?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Is so good? So good, so good? Oh my god. Anyway,
sorry I digress. So I mean, look, we just covered
the episode. It's very exciting because to me, you're timeless,
I know, so timeless and so completely still relevant all
the questions and I know what you're.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Like, a blossoming mom, business woman, podcaster and everyone remember
in Paris, everyone was like, so how does it feel
to be a woman in your fifties? So how does
it feel to Yeah, and this is now a new
iteration of the show about being older, And I'm like,
you're like twenty on the inside, Like I don't even
(29:25):
know what I'm going to say on a date Like
that's season one, that's so true.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Do you remember that time we were in the limo
with all of your fake children and all of my
fake children for quite some time and one of the
children I'm not going to say who decided to try
to explain to you how to take a selfie? Do
you remember this? And I was like, do not tell
Nicole how to take a selfie? She knows she knows
how to take a selfie, and they were like, put
(29:53):
the camera download. Do you remember this?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Oh my god, You're so funny. And I was like, listen, ladies,
you did not put the camera down low. Okay, I
am old. And you're like, don't say that. Do you
remember that? You would always say to me, don't say yes,
And I was like, no, but Nicole, I am owning it.
I'm just saying to these children because they are young, right,
you fake children especially this might have been first season, Yes,
(30:18):
they were very young, and like to me saying I'm old,
I feel like, well, I'm owning my life experience. I've
had a lot of it, right, but I now see
It's also like your brain is also hearing you say that,
and is that the best way to put it?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Right? Which? Do you know how I say it? Tell
me I say I'm grown.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Oh that's nice. I'm grown. That's good. That's good.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
That's good. That means I have time and the seed
has broken in the flower and.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
We're not going to mess around with nonsense.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
No, that's good. I will still going to tar high heels.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Babe, any anything day you bring out the cursing in
me it's so interesting. Freedom. I feel freedom when I
met Nicole, you beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Gorgeously I got to see you.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I know, I was so scared you wouldn't want to
come on. Then it would be too fresh. But I
really appreciate it. It's fresh.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
But seeing you heals the wound.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I know.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
It feels better, doesn't it? Being together? It does? I
know we need to plan something for the five of us. Yeah,
wouldn't that be nice? I want m LA.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, I'll have eight thirty breakfast with you.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Oh great, amazing.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
You can rehearse.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Can practice, you can practice.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I'll be the guy, guy clothes, you could do it? Yes, okay, great?
Oh like we could be a very very attractive woman.
I'm trying to hit on.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
And with that, we'll see you next way.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Way wait wait, wait, wait, are you miss Charlotte Nicole?
Are you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I am a Charlotte's bestie?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
You of all people, get this that, okay, But if
you didn't have that option and you had to say
one of the original four, what would you say?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I am Charlotte on the inside, yes, and carry on
the outside.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yes, I think that's true. Yeah, I mean I feel
very charlottey from you, you know, in terms of like
your day, your day is about your children and arranging
things for them, making everything wonderful for them and for
boris like you're so committed, you know, to your family
and making their lives wonderful, which is so Charlotte right,
and your dogs. You know, like you have a lot
(32:36):
of Charlotte life, Like your life looks like hers in
a lot of ways. But you're also like a career woman,
you know you've got it all right. But then I
also think just your presentation is kind of like thoughtful
and carry esque in terms of like questions and listening
to people and you.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Know, pondering life, wondering yes with your beautiful.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Eyes and wearing purple shoes.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Totally yes.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Thank you so much, Thank you, honey. I have a
wonderful guest.
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to Are You a Charlotte?
Part two? Thanks for joining us. Here we go. You
know what we're going to talk about. We're going to
talk about.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So also, I went to the archive for this one.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I know, I know well because I'm so I'm watching
from the beginning, right, okay, great, and we're only in
the second season, so this is episode two thirteen, so
it's literally nineteen ninety nine. Take yourself back to nineteen
ninety nine. Would you have seen this show in nineteen
ninety nine or was there some delay in terms of
when you were watching Sex and the City.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I was twenty eight and I think still broke, so
I didn't have cable.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I was living on one hundred and a Street in
the little six floor walk up, so I hadn't seen it. Wow, No,
I didn't see it later?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Okay, okay? Cool? I binged later? Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Or if I was at a friend's house when in
my two I would go over their house of course, yes.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Got it. So this particular episode is called games People Play, Yes,
and it is memorable for so many reasons and really
enjoyable for so many reasons and for me because I
have I know, right Jon bon Jovi, Oh my god,
I mean I remember when this was happening only because
it was so bizarre, Like the meeting of world is
(01:24):
so good. He's so good, right, Why didn't that matter
have an acting career?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
No, I mean it was so good.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I mean he's so simple, I know, but fascinating. And
when we get to the end of his sto cutting.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Like right, I can feel the nineteen ninety nine collective size,
so could.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I like, it really took me back. I mean it
really did. But yet he's so honest about it. That
part wasn't didn't ring a bell. I didn't have any
men in my life who I think we're honest in
nineteen ninety nine about themselves and their sh shortcomings, right,
But like he's so just like lazy, I guess because
he's in therapy, which we'll get to any minute. But
I mean it's so good anyway. The thing that is
(02:09):
adorable about this episode so many things, but it's written
by Jenny Biggs, who came later to be our executive producer,
and it's incredible and make her own shows and we
love her very much. And it's directed by Michael Spiller,
who had been our DP WOW, And I think this
is his first episode directing, and he always wanted to direct,
and he had He was one of those dps where
he was really involved in a lot, you know what
(02:29):
I'm saying, Like like had a lot of thoughts about
blocking and whatever. You know, he was very involved, but
he was very excited about directing, and I think he
did a great job. Like it was, it was.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So good, and the window watching in Miranda's window, I
didn't see it coming, right.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Really, you don't remember that. It's funny, right, it's funny,
so good, it's really interesting. I couldn't. I didn't remember
what happened either. I remember that she had to flash
because anytime where Cynthia has been naked, I always had
a lot of anxiety because I knew she didn't care
about anything. She has no fear, right, and I knew
no one was protecting her on set, so I would
always try to be like, should I come, should I
tell someone?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
You know?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
But it was all fine me, but I had anxiety
based on previous scenes she done where people would put
her in like positions I didn't think were like the
best or I mean, and I was like, why did
someone protect Cynthia? You know, but because she didn't care.
She has no fear or ego whatsoever, which, of course
you were so amcaring.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I remember one time we were shooting and you were like,
Nicole hasn't eaten. Okay, she got here at four thirty
in the morning, and we've pushed lunch. I think someone
can get her some grapes.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I know. I mean honestly, sometimes I would push lunch
for so long and we're trying to remember our lines
and agains very hard, very hard.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I'm glad I spoke up for you many times.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'm so glad, baby, I'm so glad. Okay. So we
have the incredible John bon Jovi in this episode, which
is just even weird to say. I mean, I grew
up on Jovi like they were inescapable and fundamental to
like the eighties. It's crazy that John bungjo he was
on our show. Oh my god. I'm still like, oh
my god. Anyway, So the thing that I also find
(04:09):
really funny and amazing about this particular episode, So this
is when Big and Carrie have broken up in the
season the episode before, and it begins with this really
funny montage of Carrie just basically complaining about her and
Big to all of us separately and then together and
talking about how now she can play her music and
all these different things. But also it's kind of over
(04:29):
the top, and when people complain about Carrie being narcissistic,
which I don't believe at all, but it's it's it's
so over the top that it's almost like they somehow
knew that this complaint was going to be coming, you know,
fifteen years later or whatever it is you I mean.
And also the funny thing is that people also say
like that we never told her the truth. We totally
(04:50):
tell her the truth of this episode. Yes, she just
doesn't listen to it, which is how we all are
with our friends, right. It's so funny. So this, to me,
this is the episode that I'm going to get out
and remind people of the next time people want to
complain about Carrie, go to episode two thirteen exactly Gator
people play, because man, it's all here, it's all here.
(05:11):
So it's a really funny scene where she's just like,
you know, and I just kept trying and trying trying,
and then we're all just looking at her like, oh God.
And then finally Miranda says, you know, maybe you should
go to therapy, which is hysterical. I don't remember any
of this, So of these episodes I look back on,
I remember nothing, which is weird. But you know, it's
(05:34):
like the middle of the night and everything, you know
hadn't slept. I don't know. And also in this one,
I think Charlotte doesn't have the storyline because back in
the olden days, when we were twenty two minutes, there'd
be a B C D storyline, and D is very little, yes,
and so.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Differently the last two and a half minutes maybe.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Exactly or just Pepper three peer through group scenes or whatever. Whatever.
I'll take that any day, you know what I'm saying.
But anyway, side note, I digress. So it's a funny
scene to me. And then this is also really funny
because Charlotte mentions her parents, which we almost never hear about,
right as you know, it's like this kind of you
know thing where we never really dealt with our families.
(06:11):
So everyone's talking about how they feel about therapy. Miranda's
trying to get Carrie to go Carrie's like, I don't
believe in therapy, and then Samantha's very funny says, honey,
we're all just as st up as you are. It's
like the blind leaving the blind, which I think is
hysterical and so true. But isn't that what friends are for,
right to blindly be stumbling through life and life's challenges together.
(06:33):
That's the point of friendship, I think, not to be
like a therapist helping each other, you know what I mean.
Then I say, Charlotte says that she doesn't believe in
shrinks and that her family doesn't believe in shrinks. That
we believe everything could be sold by physical exercise, and
that's why they're all very good at tennis. Isn't that funny?
(06:58):
And then when you and I played tennis together the
many many years later, that was fun time. It was
really fun. Then we have adorable Stanford, who basically says
to Carrie that he has three therapists and that one
of them he just has because he's a really beautiful
man that he wants to look at, which is really funny.
(07:18):
So that's so adorable. And then oh my god, then
we say that Stanford wants to send Carrie to doctor Greenfield,
who is like a very desirable psychiatrist because Gwyneth Paltrow
sees her because she suffers from high self esteem.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
A oh, my goodness, suffers from my self esteem. It's
so funny, but I love the advice she gives Carrie.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Oh it's good.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
She says, maybe the problem is you, I know, because
you're the through line in all these bad relationships. And
I didn't take it as a dig so much as
more like you're and she explained it you're picking these guys.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
It's true, but you can see Carrie's very confused. She's like,
these guys are games with me.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
But they're all kind of playing the same game. It's
so maybe, you know, it makes you think, am I
attracted to this kind of if you like dramatic drama?
I am I pulling this drama in Am I getting
neglected in a way that I constantly need it?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I know?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Or am I you know?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Do I like jerks? I know? I hate these questions
so much being a single woman, we got to say
to these questions, do you Nicole?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I know?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I don't know. You know, I really like since I've
been doing the show, obviously, it gets discussed a fair amount,
and people talk to me about the apps and everything.
I just can't do it. I mean, you might have
been there when Sir Jessica threatened to put me on
the riot. Were you there?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I was like, you should know why, because first of all,
I'm terrified.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
No no, and I'm going to answer as you no no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Please don't please don't please don't please no, no, no, please no.
Thirty episodes? No, please, don't please too extra. I'm really
glad it was thirty episodes and that's a nice round number.
I hadn't counted up. It's not enough, but at least
it's a nice round number. The reason I don't want
to be on Riah is two things. Number One, Candace
Bushnell came on the podcast and we got a lot
(09:16):
of info about Riya from Candace. She's very active on there.
It's not a good picture that she drew for us. Really. Yeah. No,
It's good for some people, meaning the men folk, not
possibly so great for the women. From what I can
gather at least know about.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You though, is that a lot of people are covering
their real personality. You don't cover your personality. That's true,
very authentic, and if you put yourself on that site,
I feel like men would respond to what you really are.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Can I ask you a question though that relates to
this episode that I did think about what you're saying
while I watched this. So this is called games people play,
And in the episode there is discussion about the games
that men and women play with each other, about dating,
and about once they're in a relationship. Right, and I
Kristen suck at the games like I have no game.
(10:17):
You know when people are like she got game, he
got game? Whatever? No game? Okay, no games.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I think you're very sincere, You're very transparent. You know
where you stand on things.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Why I cannot go on the app? Okay, I'm scared.
I'm scared. Scared, don't be scared. But they're like, I
don't I don't know that they're nice. Do your name's saying?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Do you think they're nice?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well? Yeah, I mean I think that men that would click.
I don't even know how it works, but you.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Have to like them, like them.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I just think with you, the guy that has the
courage to reach out to you is already like seventy
five percent, right you think, Yeah, okay, and then in
the other twenty five you'll find out right away. But
I think that you're not going to get scragglers. You
don't think, No, you're you don't You're not going to
get well, you're giving.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Me a little bit of hope.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
No, like crazy, you're the kind of person that someone's like,
that's that's the one.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
But then my question would be, well, are you thinking
that I'm Charlotte. No, No, I'm not saying that. I'm
just saying that when.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
You listen to you speak, when you you know, a
five minute clip of you would tell people who you are,
like how kind you are and funny you are, and
smart you are, and real you are and hot you are,
and you know, I think someone would know what they're
getting into.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
You think, yeah, all right, maybe one day.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You're really really famous, so he has to come out
the gate kind of confident.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You're not going to.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Get shug sheltered.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
God, you're so funny. Thank you, that's so nice. Can
I tell you my other concern, which I know you
will relate to as your mom's self. Since I've been
doing this and different people have been talking to me
about this, right, I've really contemplated it, like why am
I not doing this? What is holding me back from
doing this? And one of the things is I just
don't really have time to date. Like dating takes time.
(12:16):
You have to leave the house, leave the children, turing mean,
spend time at a dinner with a person that you
don't know, two hours max.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
But like, if your kids are at home watching something
that they want, don't watch when you're around the nanny
is letting them watch squid game.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Jah, stop that. No they're not. But let me ask
you this. And I know it's really hard to imagine
because you have Boris, thank god, but like you know,
my kids are seven and fourteen, right, they still really
need me. I mean especially the seven year old. Like
would you have been like, yeah, I'm gonna go out
and date.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I'm sure there's two hours worth.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Ah, I'm not going to answer that question. You guys,
would you have.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Well, I mean I've been married for twenty years, so
I was like, you know, mommy and daddy are going out. Yeah,
and maybe one time. The first time it's like, but
where a right? And after that they were like bye.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
They to also show your children that, oh, don't even start,
I know where is say don't, don't don't.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
That is the full person and model for them that
being social is safe and and being doing grown up
things is safe. You listen, if you keep playing this game,
mommy doesn't leave the house, your kids are never leaving
the house. You're gonna have twenty seven year olds living
at your house.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
First of all, I'd be fine with that.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Me two secrets. Yeah, but I like that I have
adventurous souls, right. I mean, Sophie is the partier, you know,
but she likes to have the party at home. Oh y, yeah,
she like brings the people over there.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Nice. I think you probably have a really fun house.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
No, I'm I'm I like to be like my house
is my sanctuary. But I have social kids, and which
is good. But it's good for me, right, yes, right,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I mean, you know, min not young, right, And I
mean I don't want to talk too much about them
because of their privacy, etcetera. But like, you know, they're
pretty social. They're pretty social. It's going pretty well. They're
probably more social than myself when I was young.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Or now, how about this, how about for a little
pre New Year's resolution, you don't have to go to
a long dinner okay, from seven to nine okay, okay,
then I would miss bedtime that you would miss bedtime.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
How about breakfast? But the kids didn't do that?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Well, the kids are in school.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Oh you mean after dinner in school? Okay, you dropped them?
Mean when I wake up at six?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
No, don't have a full meal.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Have a little tea, a little croissant, love it. Take
the kids to school and have like an eight thirty breakfast.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Okay. I like that. I like that, you know what.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
There's some parameters there, and you keep that only interested
in Kuss. That's going to get a really interesting group
of people who are going to respond to that. That's
really interesting. All Right, I'm gonna maul that over. I'm
going to take it to heart. I like your advice.
I honor the fact that you're in a really successful,
(15:29):
incredible partnership with an incredible person. So I take your
advice to heart. Thank you, Nicole. And I really have
been mulling it all over, partly because I think also
for me, because of work. Right, my time away from
the kids was for work because obviously we film in
New York. My kids live in La so either they
were with me in the summer, or I was separated
from them and trying to fly back and forth. As
(15:50):
you know, we were both in this mix for a while,
so there wasn't an extra amount of time that I
would go like, oh, now I'm going to be away
from them to date. You know what I'm saying. But
now I theoretically don't have that. Theoretically, they tell me, right,
so I should potentially come up with something else to
do with my time. I guess, is this making any exist?
(16:14):
Do you like my little thinking?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I didn't think it's more self protection and that I
am here to encourage you, as your friend off screen,
to let yourself live.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay, okay, I'm going to try to let myself live you.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I had a few old fashioned things to believe it
or not. And when I met Boris, we were on
a show and we were working together, so it was
very professional. And when we finally admitted that we liked
each other and he wanted to ask me out on
a real date, I had very real concerns about being
on the show.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah and so, but I also.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
When I was a kid, my mom, if a boy
asked me out, he would wait on the sofa, she
would talk to him. I would come downstairs and we
would go out love it. I wasn't even thinking, but
he drags me for this moment. He'd asked me out
on a date on our day off. It was clear
that this was a date, that there was interest, and
(17:13):
I rented a little apartment and he but it was
on the ground floor in a house. So he knocked
on the door and I opened the door and said,
I'll be right out.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
You could have a.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Seat, because it was just this weird response of proper
and I didn't know it was weird until he was like,
excuse me, I'll be out in a second.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It's great, So you're a lady. I was a lady.
Yeah for five minutes, but I was. No.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
We got to know each other. But I'm just saying,
you can respect your boundaries and still live a little Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I think that's good. That's good. That's very balanced, very balanced,
ad by thinking Nicole, I appreciate it. Let's go back
to the episode. Yes games people, games people, Yes, games
people play. Carrie goes to therapy. You believe it. I
(18:20):
need I mean once in the whole thirty years she
went to therapy and the guy the sorry. She meets
Jum ben Jovi in the waiting room, which of course
then takes precedence to what this therapist is saying to her, which,
as you said, is very appropriate advice, which is, maybe
she is the through line of all these be seen
problems in the other person, and then maybe she should
(18:40):
look at herself, which is incredibly good advice generally speaking,
right like in all things. And then and then she
she tells us that that she is she has been
told that she's picking the wrong man, that she's a
game player. And then I say, Charlotte says, you have
to be a game player to deal with men. And
(19:03):
then Miranda says it's delusional to play games. And then
Carrie says, it's the wrong guy's picking her. So we
do some mental gymnastics.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
The representing all the voices.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
We are representing all the voices, all the voices, and
I don't even know what to think. Then we go
to this crazy sports bar, which I don't really remember
at all. This is one of those ones where I'm like,
I guess I was there, I don't remember this. We
go to this sports bar because Samantha thinks we're going
to meet the men's. The men's there, and we do.
We meet some men. Of course, Samantha meets a man
(19:34):
where everything is dependent the sex life is dependent on
whether the Knicks win, which is kind of hysterical. And
that was the time when the Knicks were not winning.
So then she gets very fed up because then he
moves on to baseball and she's like, no, I can't
deal with this. I am often struck when I look
back at these early episodes with what Samantha puts up with.
I know, right, because Samantha is supposed to be like
the most powerful one of us, right, Yeah, she puts
(19:57):
up with a lot, a lot, and then she sweetly
and then she doesn't. She gets she gets through it,
and then there's no gray area, right like whereas the
rest of us might be trying to struggle through, trying
to struggle through. She's like, no, I'm done, which I
really appreciate. So then we're back. John bon Jovi walks
out of the door at the therapist, and I really
(20:18):
thought for a second that he was playing himself because
we've already said that Gwyneth goes to this therapist, right,
And then I was like, wait, does he I couldn't
even remember. No, he's playing another character, but he's still himself.
It's really distracting and strange, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
But he was so good, so good.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, and then once they go to have dinner together,
I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm he's not John bun Job,
he's me too, and they look so good together. Jeezus.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
That Twister game, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
The Twister Game is just beyond and Sara's got those
yellow short songs. It's excellent. I remember all of this
in a vague way of like me being like so curious,
but not wanting to go to the set because I
would be like a luky Loo fan, do you know
what I mean? But I did meet him. He was lovely.
It's just so real. You know, he's such like a
(21:10):
regular guy. You know what was that like for.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
You to be on those to see those sets of
those early years, Like you know, Carrie's apartment has moved on,
and like that Twister game, for example, was in that apartment.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
To me, Carrie's apartment was always Carrie's apartment. I mean
we did redo it in I guess the second film,
and I was like, this wallpaper is whacked like I
wanted to be its regular old dingy self. Do you what
I mean? Like I never wanted any changes, Like in
my mind, Carrie's apartment is still this, Oh do you
know what I'm saying? Like I didn't even care that
Lazette lives there or whatever, doesn't matter, Like Carrie's apartment
(21:46):
is still this in my mind, with that weird, you know,
loungey thing with that kind of crazy fabric garnet that
looks like it's from the eighties, you know what I'm saying. Like,
and the sheets. I love that they have some beautiful
shots of Sir Jusca at night time, I think because
our DP is directing right and her leg is out
and her sheets and it had like kind of dark
swirls on the sheets. And you know, we spent so
(22:09):
much time in that apartment that that apartment to me
is just that apartment and it lives on in my
mind unchanged. You know, it doesn't matter where she moves.
And I did think this is a crazy thought, because
as we all know, the Grammercy Park was a beautiful apartment.
Side note, I just want to say that the small
(22:31):
kitchen is historically accurate to everyone complaining about that. That
is historically accurate, and probably the true kitchen of the
house would have been on the bottom floor, right, but
that building has been separated, so there's you know, the
kitchens didn't always get to live on that were in
the bottom floor unless you had someone restore the whole house.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
And gut and do all those things walls.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Right, So that is one hundred percent accurate. And I'm
so annoyed with everyone talking about the blueprint of our apartments.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
They live in other states.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
It's true they do. It just takes a google, so
Yorkers know it totally. Yeah. Okay, great, I got that
off my off my mind, thank you. So I just
want to talk in my mind when okay, we've got Miranda.
She sees a really cute guy across the way, who's
Who's Who's slightly undressed. She thinks he's looking at her.
I thought he was looking I thought he was looking
(23:24):
her too. She eventually flashes her breast god lover, and
then she sees him in the grocery store and she
plays hide and seek with him, which is the games
people play. I do love the thematic, you know, continuation
through this episode. And then he doesn't know who she is,
and she's like, I live across the airsheft from you,
(23:44):
and then he goes, oh yeah, you live underneath the
guy I am flirting with or whatever, flashing. I know
she's mortified, and I was mortified listening to it, and
I was like, oh me too. I was also shocked.
I didn't remember that part at all.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Do you know what's a funny detail till about that
scene in the grocery store. It's the same grocery store
that I call that LTW you call me Charlotte and says, oh.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
My god, oh my god, help me what this guy
did you know when you were filming that? Seeing that
it was the same and the.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Counter space is set up the same way right where
I have the conversation with you is the same grocery store.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
That's so funny. I wonder if our locations people knew this.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yes, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I love it so much. I'll love it throwback. I
love it so much. Okay, so then we get we're
playing the Twister. The Twister is a dream of two
incredibly attractive people play Twister as a kid. I was like,
I don't remember me too, know me neither.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
No.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
It took some I was.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Like, hey, Boris, did you ever play Twister?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Did he No, not in Germany? Huh no, oh sad, Yeah,
oh we played Twister a lot. Was like high, high level.
It was so sexy, very sexy, because they're very sexy
and very charming. But when they have sex and then
it's afterwards and they're laying in the sheets and Carrie says, hey,
(25:11):
why are you in therapy? And he very simply says,
I'm really picked up with women. I lose interest right
after I sleep with them. The gut punch, the.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Gut punch herd around the world. I mean, but I
loved a man being that honest though. Even if it's
like a knife wound, at least you're knowing it early, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
And you're not home wondering why they're not calling you,
which is a really evil thing to do.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I want to say, I got mommy issues.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, it's not good just talking on the phone. Fess, yeah,
confess your issue. It's much better from Jump, right, yes, right,
I mean it wasn't exactly from Jump because they've already
slept together.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, it was. Well, she didn't ask him until after this.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
That's so true. She would have asked them right away.
I know I was surprised, but I think she doesn't
want him to ask her. Oh right, yeah, you ask
that they're going to ask you, and you're going to
have to say. She doesn't want to say I picked
the wrong men, you know, which is what she says
to him before.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
This is why when you have your coffee and croissant
ate after the drop off.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yes, after, before I call you, you can just have
a couple of questions and no, what should the questions be?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Nicle? What issues have you had with women?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Really?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Oh my god? What are the top three things that
aren't healed in you?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
What small orbic you? Guys? And Nicole wants me to
go to the depth over a quissant. Yeah, wow, I.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Got to get back home and make sure your home
for the kids.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
You're so right? Okay, what else?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
And how do you feel about your own future?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Ooh, that's a good one. I think I would start
with that one. I feel like that one's better, easier.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Well, I think you would give him the cupcake at
the end about your future because the first two are
feel like he doesn't feel judged, but you got to
get the information, okay, and the third one is more
about I'm actually interested in you?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Okay? Do I want to reserve the third question for
whatever the answers might be, meaning I might want to
hear the answers to the first two before I give
the cupcake of the potential future.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Well, I think you can't leave a person broken and exposed.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
So this is the best advise you. Guys.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Oh my god, if he tells you about what I
feel like an honest answer, Yes, and it's both of
you are a little shocked that it's coming out this
soon over coffee at eight thirty in the morning. You
also want to make sure that you are interested in
the joy people want for themselves.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yes, because say you have.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You're attracted to someone he's like, I want to just
surf in Bermuda. Then you know that that gives him happiness.
But you're not an ocean person, you know what I mean.
But you're interested in what brings that person joy, not
what just breaks.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Them for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
And I think you leave a person happy that they're honest,
but also that they're that you've reconnected them to find.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Joy to joy, to joy to joy to their own joy. Yes,
that's so nice, Nicole. I'm here for you. Oh my gosh,
should be a matchmaker. I just watched that movie last night,
Dakota Johnson.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Did you see the Materials?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Is so good? So good, so good? Oh my god. Anyway,
sorry I digress. So I mean, look, we just covered
the episode. It's very exciting because to me, you're timeless,
I know, so timeless and so completely still relevant all
the questions and I know what you're.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Like, a blossoming mom, business woman, podcaster and everyone remember
in Paris, everyone was like, so how does it feel
to be a woman in your fifties? So how does
it feel to Yeah, and this is now a new
iteration of the show about being older, And I'm like,
you're like twenty on the inside, Like I don't even
(29:25):
know what I'm going to say on a date Like
that's season one, that's so true.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Do you remember that time we were in the limo
with all of your fake children and all of my
fake children for quite some time and one of the
children I'm not going to say who decided to try
to explain to you how to take a selfie? Do
you remember this? And I was like, do not tell
Nicole how to take a selfie? She knows she knows
how to take a selfie, and they were like, put
(29:53):
the camera download. Do you remember this?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Oh my god, You're so funny. And I was like, listen, ladies,
you did not put the camera down low. Okay, I
am old. And you're like, don't say that. Do you
remember that? You would always say to me, don't say yes,
And I was like, no, but Nicole, I am owning it.
I'm just saying to these children because they are young, right,
you fake children especially this might have been first season, Yes,
(30:18):
they were very young, and like to me saying I'm old,
I feel like, well, I'm owning my life experience. I've
had a lot of it, right, but I now see
It's also like your brain is also hearing you say that,
and is that the best way to put it?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Right? Which? Do you know how I say it? Tell
me I say I'm grown.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Oh that's nice. I'm grown. That's good. That's good.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
That's good. That means I have time and the seed
has broken in the flower and.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
We're not going to mess around with nonsense.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
No, that's good. I will still going to tar high heels.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Babe, any anything day you bring out the cursing in
me it's so interesting. Freedom. I feel freedom when I
met Nicole, you beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Gorgeously I got to see you.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I know, I was so scared you wouldn't want to
come on. Then it would be too fresh. But I
really appreciate it. It's fresh.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
But seeing you heals the wound.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I know.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
It feels better, doesn't it? Being together? It does? I
know we need to plan something for the five of us. Yeah,
wouldn't that be nice? I want m LA.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, I'll have eight thirty breakfast with you.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Oh great, amazing.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
You can rehearse.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Can practice, you can practice.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I'll be the guy, guy clothes, you could do it? Yes, okay, great?
Oh like we could be a very very attractive woman.
I'm trying to hit on.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
And with that, we'll see you next way.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Way wait wait, wait, wait, are you miss Charlotte Nicole?
Are you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I am a Charlotte's bestie?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
You of all people, get this that, okay, But if
you didn't have that option and you had to say
one of the original four, what would you say?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I am Charlotte on the inside, yes, and carry on
the outside.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yes, I think that's true. Yeah, I mean I feel
very charlottey from you, you know, in terms of like
your day, your day is about your children and arranging
things for them, making everything wonderful for them and for
boris like you're so committed, you know, to your family
and making their lives wonderful, which is so Charlotte right,
and your dogs. You know, like you have a lot
(32:36):
of Charlotte life, Like your life looks like hers in
a lot of ways. But you're also like a career woman,
you know you've got it all right. But then I
also think just your presentation is kind of like thoughtful
and carry esque in terms of like questions and listening
to people and you.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Know, pondering life, wondering yes with your beautiful.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Eyes and wearing purple shoes.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Totally yes.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Thank you so much, Thank you, honey. I have a
wonderful guest.
Host
Kristin Davis
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