A Look Back: Bachelor Peter Weber

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Happy Hour listeners, I hope you enjoyed these throwback
episodes of Happy Hour. We'll be back with new episodes
very soon. What's up, fascination. Of course, we hope you're
all staying safe, healthy, saying, I know you're probably a
little stir crazy. I know I am, I know Becca is.
Actually I'm oddly content right now, which is weird. So

(00:22):
I just feel like I'm gonna crack any moment. But
whatever you're feeling right now, we are here to make
you feel better because we have on the podcast today
none other than Peter Weber. That's right. I feel like
this has been an unusual season because usually you get
your answers, you kind of know how things end, and
you move on and you get ready for the next season.

(00:43):
Well that hasn't been the case because we are in quarantine.
There's not a current Bachelorette season filming right now. Things
were kind of up in the air when it came
to Peter's season. We've never seen an ending like this,
so we were just kind of left in limbo. So
none of us know much more than we're seeing out
there today. So finally we'll get to see what's going
on from Peter himself. Yeah, Rachel, I cannot wait. This

(01:05):
is one of the interviews that I mean, obviously we
have been waiting a while for because we did not
get to speak to Peter after the finale unfortunately, and
this is probably one of the most requested interviews we've
had yet. I'd literally still to this day gid DMS
being like, bring Peter on, bring Peter on. So today
is that day. Now. I don't know about you, but

(01:26):
on a very selfish and personal level, I'm just dying
to know what's going on, because, like you said, we
kind of get little tidbits of info here and there
of what maybe maybe what he's doing, where he is,
who he's hanging out with, but it hasn't been confirmed
by Peter himself yet, and so I can't wait to
get him on. Obviously, we've spoken with Hannah Ann after

(01:47):
the finale. We got hert take, but we need Peter's
take too, because there's probably much more to the story
and we're missing a lot, you know, and Peter, Like I,
regardless of what people think about Peter and how his
season ended, I still love him. I still want nothing
but the best for him. So I really want to
hear from him, because we have some major questions, and

(02:09):
so I just think for the sake of everyone, we
just have to get into it, bring him in. Because
from the beginning, Becca, from the beginning, well, Rachel, we've
joked all season, like we kept saying when it was
going on, there was so much John when we're like,
we just needed to get to the end. We just
wanted to end and figure out what's going on, and
like we never got anything because obviously the way everything

(02:30):
panned out, he didn't end up with anyone as far
as we know at this point. Who knows if things
have changed since then. So I think I think, without
further ado, we just have to get into it. We
have to get started with Peter. So, ladies and gentlemen,
Bachelor Happy our listeners, please give a warm welcome to
our latest Bachelor, Peter Wepper. Peter, Hi, Peter, Hello, Hello,

(03:00):
how's it going. I'm good, showing like a villain, you know, Peter.
Where are you at right now? I'm in So, I'm
in Chicago. I'm at Kelly's apartment right now, getting the
good stuff right away. By the way, I got dustin,
That says Hi. Dusty waves Hi waits, was Dustin Dustin?

(03:20):
Dustin's met you, Rachel Peter? What was he supposed to
be our one of our bachelor's for the live show?
Were you supposed to be a bachelor for the live show? Oh?
Yeah he was. I don't even know. Yeah, we'll tell
him to keep next You're in February reserved. I'll keep
next February reserved because they're coming back to you, all right,

(03:40):
says Okay, where's Kelly? Kelly's still asleeping? What time is it?
What y'all do? Last night? We had a good night
and sent some fun. We had like a dance party.
Because have you seen like these DJs that have been
doing these like live shows? DJ Nice? Have you watched his? Uh?
Not his? No, we're watching Griffin and uh I think

(04:04):
the guys are loud the child, but yeah, we're just
didn't you want to be a DJ? Weren't you going
to become a DJ? I would love to you. That's
always been like a huge passion of mine. So really yeah,
I've always just like known that I have it in me,
like I have that whatever that is, like just pump
up a crowd and like give what I feel to them.
I just have to figure out a way to take
it out. I got to learn what I'm doing, obviously,

(04:26):
But um, I know Blake he's like he's doing. I've
been talking to him a little bit, and uh, because
I have so much free time, you know, I might
as well do something else. So what would be your style?
Like your your your type of music that you would do?
Tropical house? So you know you ever heard of Kigo? Yes? Okay?
So like his kind of music is like the music
that talks to me and touches me the most. So

(04:47):
like that exact vibe, like a lot of like piano
like instrumentals. Um, but just like that good, feel good music.
Did you know that there's like a legit DJ school? Yeah?
I did, Oh, okay, because because when I saw Blake
at the Bachelor Live Tour, he was telling me He's like, yeah,
I went to DJ school. I'm like, where the hell
is a DJ school? I've never heard of it, but

(05:08):
it sounds cool. It sounds like it'd be kind, I mean,
not kind of a pretty fun school. No, I think. Yeah,
he went to one in Denver, so I'm gonna look
for one in La And all this stuff is said
and done, But I got my got my laptop, got
all the equipment. So, oh you're serious. I mean, why
not pick up a passion in a hobby during this time?
So I'm gonna ask you off the bat, have you

(05:29):
changed your stance on coronavirus? H are you talking about? Like, yeah,
I need to ask you Peter like the one like
TMZ thing. Yes, yeah, yeah, I can yeah, fully change
my stance. That was before everything I did. I used
to think that, Yeah, it was just kind of like
an overblown thing, like unwarranted fear. Um, obviously it is not.

(05:51):
I was one billion percent wrong, And yeah, I apologize
for those comments. Yeah, we'll call this the Redemption podcast.
You don't want to give you a chance to clear
things up. I don't know what I was thinking when
I said that. The guy called me off guard, but whatever, yeah, completely, Hey.
I will say when I was still on the tour
before everything got shut down and we had to be

(06:13):
locked inside because I was on the tour with Ben,
and Ben seemed overly paranoid at that point, and I
was like, oh, I don't go away, It's not going
to be that bad. And then fast forward to a
month later, I'm like, I am biting my tongue right now.
It's sad. I get it. It's sad, but yeah, hopefully
it's you know, kind of blows over soon. Who knows. Yeah,

(06:33):
but you're doing You're saying you're quarantining, so you're doing
your part, right. I as much as people think I
haven't been, I promise you guy's been quarantining in social
distancing here in Chicago. So for all of the listeners
right now, you can't see us. We are on zoom,
so we're all looking at each other. But Peter is quarantining. Um.
I don't know if you miss at the top of this,

(06:53):
but he is quarantining where and good old shytown Chicago
with with with good old chop Chop Kelly and Dustin
goods Chop Chop. That's a that's what that's the nickname
I've given Kelly. That's like on the last on her
last episode in Peru, She's like, Chop Chop, give me

(07:14):
the road. And so now I just call her chop Chop. Oh, okay, okay,
cute little nickname, a little pet name. So I was
gonna hold off on the Kelly stuff, but I will
ask you this, and I'm hoping by the time that
we've were into this podcast that she wakes up. I
really don't think she's asleep. I just think that she's hiding.
But that's okay, Kelly, that's okay. I'm going to send

(07:36):
a text Darren because because we've always been Kelly fans.
So you know, you got a friend in us on
this podcast. That's my sister in the law. Yeah, that's right, yep, exactly.
So my question is we saw the TMZ photos come out. Yeah,
whether you guys were aware of that was going to

(07:56):
happen or not, I don't know. You were in a
pretty public place, so it's it wasn't shocking. I guess
that somebody caught you know, you guys all hanging out, right,
So I guess my question is when you decided to
do it? Where y'all like fuck it, you know what
I mean, We're just gonna go out, hang out. People

(08:17):
are gonna talk regardless, let's go honestly. So, we had
been cooped up in in Kelly's apartment for like quite
like almost like a week before that ever came out
those pictures, and then finally it was a gorgeous day
in Chicago. They really dusted, and Kelly really wanted me
to do the river walk, which is like this gorgeous
thing to do here, and at first we're gonna do
like a kind of hidden one closer to Kelly's apartment,

(08:38):
but then like, now let's do the main one. So
we ended up doing it, and honestly, like more a
hat sack glasses, thought we'd kind of be good. Wasn't
trying to like put it in people's faces at all.
And that first picture I remember I literally were at
like the one of the slips there on the lake
and like I picked her up real quickly, like a
little spinny thing, just for fun, and then taking dustins

(09:00):
like well, someone just got a picture and we're like no,
and then whatever, you know, Peter, people are always watching.
You need to give a wig or something. I know,
I know, seriously, I need to like working like a
better disguise, but um, I mean listen at that point too,
I don't think I know, people were like kind of
upset with the whole social distancing thing and they just
didn't know they didn't, you know, know the facts about

(09:21):
what I had chosen do at that point. So I
totally get their frustration with that but now that I
can kind of clear it up, we were social distancing.
It was just us And at that point that river
walk was still open, like there was thousands of people
on it. So that's the problem, Peter, That's why people
were upset. There were all those people there. Well, that's
allowed at that point that the order had been allowed

(09:43):
to be allowed to go walk and get exercise and
get fresh air. And then the next day they closed it.
So yeah, because of you guys. Honestly, you brought so
much attention to the riverwalk they close it down. So
inquiring minds what to know? How did you end up
quarantining at Kelly's take us back? Okay? Yeah? Um, so
I keep saying, just with Kelly, Night's been like very

(10:05):
serendipitous with just everything's kind of happened from the very beginning.
How we met before the show. Um, I don't know
if everyone knows, but while this show is airing, we
ran We ran in each other again in Miami one
at the Super Bowl. That was crazy, just a brief
brief you know, hello, how are you doing by? And
then fast forward now to a couple of weeks ago,

(10:26):
through some mutual friends who ran inched each other. A
third time out in LA got her number, started communicating.
She's always been very supportive of me, and you know,
I've tried my best to be supportive of her. Some
stuff ended up happening with her family, some slight serious
stuff like health stuff. So she was kind of like
in a just a sad place, a rough place, and

(10:46):
she was by herself, a roommates ward in Chicago. Her
family was in Florida, you know, quarantine, and I decided
to fly out spent some time with her, try to
take her mind off things, and you know that's what
I did. Um. I also it actually ended up just
working out because you know, obviously I still litle at
home and I fly still I have to do for
the essential work. And I was like it better to
just like make this my home base and go back

(11:06):
home and risk giving something to my parents, you know,
who are in their sixties, and they just made sense
on all fronts, and um, you know, I could be
there for her, and you know, hopefully I put a
smile on her face and you know, distractor a little bit.
So that was nicely put without being too specific that

(11:27):
I believe you know, I believe you. I want to
dig because I want to know personally, wouldn't the third
time that you say, there's muchild friends who kind of
hooked you guys up to bump into each other. Was that?
Did that happen to be during the women tell all? No,
this was this was way after all of that. She's
I guess her her brothers are really good friends with
Katie Agro and so I guess through that connection she

(11:51):
was saying with them, I'm really good friends with Christian Haggarty.
And I was out with Dylan and Devon one night
and then I Dylan had been texting Christian, so I
started texting Christian and then we're like, yeah, come out
and meet with meet us. And you know, Kelly was like, this,
it's crazy, so serendipitous, like you said, I'll say, I mean,

(12:12):
I was in Miami for the Super Bowl and I
didn't run into either one of y'all, So I mean,
I guess maybe they were hiding at that point. Peter.
I'm excited that we have you and that you're finally
clearing it up because I cannot begin to tell you
the amount of DMS that I personally receive asking about
you and if you and Kelly are together. And I've

(12:33):
said this on the podcast before with Rachel, Like people
think just because we're part of this Bachelor world that
we were on the show, like we somehow magically know
everything about everyone, And that's not the case. So I
don't know that we care to know. You don't even
care to know. Yeah, I just there's too many of
us now, like there's no way, and so I just

(12:53):
don't even respond to people that ask me about you guys.
So everyone listening, you've heard it from the horse's mouth
here Peter. Now, but but listen, we aren't listen. We
aren't dating right now. I can set that straight. Um.
I me personally obviously, have I've learned anything, it's to
take things extremely slow and not rush into anything. I
just was engaged. I just was finishing up another relationship,

(13:14):
figuring out what was going to happen with that. So, UM,
you know we're there for lateater, I gotta ask you
a question. I'm sorry, I believe you that you're not dating.
Believe you. Um. I also like to point out that
you were using Kelly's Kelly I'm at her apartment. I

(13:35):
don't know. Nothing gets past me. I never was, I
was I was talking to Caitlin the other day doing
a podcast, and she like didn't want to say it.
She's like, oh, is he trying to hide this or something?
And then she's like, so whose computer are you on.
I was like, Oh, it's Kelly. So she's like, uh, okay,
I was gonna see. I don't think you're trying to
hide anything, which personally, I think is kind of refreshing.

(13:57):
It's I think you've learned the hard way. Like a
lot of leads that have had a difficult time, people
have been hard on you, like, let's just call it
what it is, and they're gonna be hard on you.
Some people are gonna like what you do, some people aren't.
So you just kind of have to live your life
and cancel out all the other noise. And it seems
like you're doing them. But back to what you said.

(14:18):
You said you're taking it slow and you're not dating yet.
You literally called where you are home right now. You said,
I'm just making this my home base. That kind of
sounds fast to see each other every day. Were quarantining
how many bedrooms does Kelly have? You know what I mean?
Three bedrooms? Don't even try to tell me that you
and Dustin are in your own rooms. We have our

(14:40):
own room, and we got Sophie here too, Dustin's dogs.
That we're having a party, it's just I mean, like,
obviously it sounds like so much fun, you know, to
have a group of people, because a lot of people
are alone right now, But it also doesn't sound like
you're taking a slow I'm just I'm just saying, so
the perfect way to get to know somebody is like this.
I understand that, but I will use the defense that

(15:01):
we are quarantining together so we have no choice, but
it's done all of our time together, and I just
I'm grateful for that, very grateful because you get along
still well, I just yeah, I look up there and
just have so much respect for herself. So here's my
segue into moving on. Do you feel like at this point,
because how many weeks have you been quarantined in Chicago? Um,
I guess and now like a little over two and

(15:23):
a half maybe, so do you feel like you know
Kelly better than you knew Hannah Anna Madison at this point? Yes? Yeah, yeah,
seg go ahead, I know you've spent a lot of
time with her. Yea, I know more about my husband
now and I haven't. I can see if the couples

(15:43):
can make it through this quarantine when you are locked
in together twenty four seven, you can make it through
anything after this. It's very true. Yeah, No, I've definitely
gotten to know her very well, everything that kind of
makes her tick and just kind of like annoys or
all that stuff. It's it's yeah, and you're deal. There,
go ahead, Becca. Well, Peter, we have so many questions

(16:06):
for you. I mean, we have a list here and
I was up late last night writing and what I
want to make sure to ask you because I'm sure
I'm not the only one who wants answers to everything.
I want to start, though, first by just kind of
giving you the floor, because I mean, it's been a
while now since you're finale, we haven't really heard too
much from you. You know, you didn't do a press tour.

(16:27):
Once everything went down, you kind of just i mean
not went off the grid, but you know, secluded away
in Chicago, and so first and foremost, I want to
know why, why now, why this timing? Do you feel
like it's right to finally come out and chat with
all of us and give your side? And then I
really want you to just take it away, and I'm
sure you have so much on your chest that you

(16:47):
want to start off by saying and kind of clear
the air on some things. So we'll save our deep, dark,
tough questions for a little bit later. Okay, Yeah, I
just I just needed time, you know, after the whole
show ended. Obviously, you know a lot had gone on there. Um,
you know I obviously you know, yeah, I should don

(17:07):
the press to apologize for not really just being a
headspace to do that, but I just wasn't, um, and
I know Madison wasn't as well, And that was just
a tough couple of days for us. Right after. UM,
that was just kind of like the last thing on
my mind. And UM, obviously there was a lot of
stuff that had happened between Madison and I right after
that show and you know, into the next two days
and then after that, you know, I just wanted to

(17:29):
essentially just be there for my family. UM. I wanted
us to just you know, come together and um, support
each other. We were going through a lot. There was
a lot of you know, comments, all critics, everyone just
it was going It was kind of crazy, it was insane,
and yeah, I guess just press really was the last
thing on my mind. Um, you know, fast forward now
a couple of weeks, and I really like it. I

(17:50):
know it probably sounds crazy, like I'm in a really
really good place right now and I feel just really good.
And um, I'm really happy to that, you know that
I do feel that way, because it wasn't that way
for a while. Um, after everything kind of ended and
then just you know, having to see you so much
stuff and so much hate. That stuff's hard and that
stuff like just really took a while to kind of like,
you know, I knew I thought I had tough skin,

(18:11):
and this, you know, really tested that and now I
have even tougher skin. And um yeah, I remember, you know,
finally reaching out and like you know, saying like listen,
I'm ready to you know kind of talk. And it's
just there was so much stuff out there that just
people were making all these claims and assumptions on just
like you know, guesses there were no facts, like no
factual stuff. And so I'm all right, it's probably time
for me to just clear some stuff up. And and

(18:33):
so that's why I felt comfortable doing it. Um yeah,
it's been a rolling, crazy crazy experience. But well, and
I will say this, I mean for people that come
from the show, it's it's hard to kind of fathom
like what we go through. I think a lot of times,
like any contestant who comes from the show kind of

(18:54):
gets subjectified and people think that they know everything about us,
and they have their opinions and their call moments. And
it's hard enough coming out of the show, especially as
a lead, and having all of that attention fixated on you,
and you have it coming at all ends. You hear
great things, new hear terrible things. I can't imagine not

(19:15):
only that, but then having that come towards your family
members too, and the people you love the most, Like
I like, props to you, and I hope that you
and your family you know, have taken some time to
talk and really sort things out and figure that out,
because if anyone was coming from my mom like how
people were coming from barb Oh, I would have lost it.

(19:35):
Like there's no way I would have been able to
handle that and I would not have stayed cool, calm
and collected by any means. So props to you, I
hope I actually want to know, so you know, we
saw your parents take on after the final rows and
kind of where they stood in regards to your relationship
with Madison, where are things now with you and especially
with your mom. We are in a really good place

(20:00):
as well right now, and I it's something that like
our relationship is just so close, like I'm sure you
guys have with your mom and I just you know,
I know she's just my number one fan, and you know,
it's only wanted what's best for me. That whole thing
obviously just came from a place of love. Could the
delivery of everything have been, you know, so different? Absolutely,
you know she's the first one to admit that, but

(20:23):
you know, from going down to that stage to or
having that stuff happen on stage and then you know,
I didn't go home look for a couple because I
was still in the hotel being kept there for a
couple of days after. But when I did go home,
you know, it was just more of a and the
way my family dynamic kind of works is like we
are so close, and yeah, I did it kind of
seem like a little much and a little dramatic when
it was you know, what transpired, but that's just like

(20:46):
that's also my family and like I feel like that's
a lot of families to be honest in everyday life
just behind closed doors, you know, where people aren't going
to agree all the time. Family members are going to
just have their own opinions and be passionate about it
and to kind of reflecting on it. It It almost like
just made me even more proud of my mom that,
you know, she you know, obviously is very outspoken and

(21:07):
we'll speak her mind. And you know, being on live TV,
being in that pressure situation and having all this pressure
to kind of conform to like us maybe a possibly
a certain narrative. The fact that she didn't and doing
that out of like her love for me is such
a beautiful thing. Um, you know, delivery aside, Like that's
something nice, respect the hell out of my mom for
and something I wish I could be a little bit

(21:28):
more like her in regards to just like putting your
foot down and just like you know, speaking you know,
you you're too, heart So we're doing really good. Um,
we have that relationship where you know, we come in
and we give each other a hug and nothing is
gonna nothing is going to get in the way of
that and it's all good. We'll always have each other's back.

(21:48):
You know, we're family, and you know, those are the
closest people to me and very lucky to have that
kind of relationship, you know. I I'm glad that you
guys are doing okay. I never had a doubt it
you wouldn't be fine. I think things just needed to
cool down. I think that you know, it's not to me.
It was a cultural thing, which I understood. And yeah,

(22:11):
and that's that's just in general. Who watches the show.
They don't understand things. I agree, And I think, like
you said, your mom agrees the delivery wasn't right, but
I understood the passion and the intention behind it. Um.
You know, I've reached out to your mom. I talked
to your mom through DHIM, so I definitely understand it.

(22:39):
I too have a question, Yeah, from what your mom
said at the finale, do you still think that mother
knows best? And and you know, um, we can go
into it you guys want, But you know, the next
two days with Madison and I, you know, we had
a lot of conversations and at the end of the day,
at the end of that second day, we essentially we're

(22:59):
just proving my mom right and you know, I've always
heard that, Yeah, Mom's no best and you know the
reason that SAME's out there and I think they do.
I do have one main question. I mean, as you know,
we did get Hannah AND's take during the finale, the
one question I have, and so I told Hannah, Hannah
and this too. Like watching that back, obviously I can

(23:21):
empathize with her and relate to her because I went
through something so similar. I want to know and this
is one thing that and I told her this. I
don't think when I was broken up with on TV
and went through it all like I wasn't able to
process it with the cameras there. I was so blindsided
and just I really blacked out, like I legit, did
not know what to say. And in her case, it

(23:44):
seemed like she was much more vocal to you. She
had a lot more to say to you as I
just hid in the bathroom and cried. But my question
for you, and this is something that I had wanted
to ask Ari during my or his after the final roles,
and I just never did. When was the moment that
it changed for you? Because during the proposal and that

(24:04):
day and we even't talked to Neil Lane seeing you,
you looked so happy, so excited, you were kissing the ring.
You just seemed like complete one eighty from what we
saw go down. And so when was that one moment
for you where things clinton You're like, this relationship isn't
going to work out and I have to now end
things with my fiance. It was, man, that was just

(24:29):
like that was the absolutely, like I keep saying, that
is the hardest week of my life. And I remember, yeah,
that interaction I had, you know with Neil Lane before
that had happened. I remember, you know that their production
was all setting up to film, and that was in
my hotel room and I was like outside in the
living room area, and before that happened, like I like
I made an excuse to go into my room and

(24:50):
just get away from everyone for a second and just
like close the door and just like really sat down
and was like because I was just struggling like no
other see regards like what had happened with Madison and
seeing if I could actually do this like the heartbreak
that I was feeling. Could I actually pull myself together?
Is it something that I truly felt like I should
be doing? And I remember sitting there thinking that was

(25:10):
like my last chance to maybe go a different direction.
And I just sat there probably twenty minutes just in
my own head, like really, like what do I do?
What do I do? Just so confused. And I'm the
reason I bring that up is just like this stuff
like I'll just be so honest, like I'm not obviously
proud of it, but these questions, you know, began probably

(25:33):
even before I even propose, and I know, looking back
on it now, that should have been like a clear
sign to me. But I did know that I love
Hannah hann I did know that I felt heartbreak in
the past and then I could get over it. I
would get over it. And did I want to possibly
let this temporary pain that, yeah, I can't have time
to process this right now like a normal relationship and

(25:53):
grieve it. Do I want to let this possibly take
away something or prevent me from getting into something so
beautiful down the road for the rest of my life.
I made the decision to go forward, and I guess,
you know, kind of convinced myself that I was ready
to propose to Hannahan. And again, I'm not proud of that,
but that's the truth. And I kept just holding on
to the love that I had for her and just

(26:15):
what the potential and then I guess after the show's over, now,
you know, we would do happy couples. And you know
I got to see her, you know, three or four times,
and during those visits, you know, I had I love
like I love Hannah, and I truly I'm such a
big fan of Hannahan and I always will be. UM.
We've always had a great time together. I just think that,

(26:36):
slowly but sure, that I just noticed that maybe we
weren't as compatible as I thought we were. And I
say that in regards possibly just like the two of
us challenging each other in a relationship, I just didn't
I didn't necessarily feel it as much as I thought
I was going to UM in those next couple of meetings,
and listen, a little bit of it too was unresolved
feelings for you know, for Madison, and that was the

(26:57):
stuff that I struggled with like no other. So as
crazy of an answer, you know, obviously it started even
before UM. And that's not easy to admit, but that's
the truth. And so I lied. Now I have questions.
I knew you were going to rage. Well, I I'm

(27:18):
listening to you talk. Do you feel that you were
pressured into proposing to Hannah An ask, yeah, I I
think it was just my own self impost pressure. I
really do think that, Like I, yeah, I did. I
didn't need to come out of this. Was that no,
go ahead? Sorry? I didn't like need to go into
the show and like come out of engage and like

(27:39):
if I don't like it really wasn't like that, But
I don't know at that at the end there, I
just I saw such like a I really did. I
saw all the potential in the world for an amazing relationship.
I had never ever felt, ever felt the love from
someone like Hannah and had showed me ever in my
entire life, and that was one of the biggest things

(27:59):
that I was looking for coming into this process, and
she showered that on me like no other similarly to
how I've felt like I've given that to women in
the past, it haven't you know, haven't reciprocated to me.
I finally found that, and I was like, I can't.
I can't lose this girl. Like this girl is like
she's just amazing in every way, She's perfect in every way.
It almost seems like too good to be true. But
that's just who Hannah Anne is. And so I put

(28:22):
a lot of pressure on myself. I mean, I'm a
little bit from the show. Yeah sure I can, Yeah,
I can admit that, and um, yeah, it's just it's
a tough tough week for me. So Peter, that last week,
especially that last day, then do you think, like, did
it ever cross your mind to just say, you know,
I still love Hannah Anne, even though I am heartbroken

(28:43):
from Madison leaving. But instead of committing and you know,
getting down on one knee and giving her that ring,
did it ever cross your mind to just say, like, hey,
let's stay together, Let's see where this goes. Let's not
put the pressure of an engagement on this relationship, but
I still want to see where are real relationship can go.
It did. It totally did. And my thought process and

(29:05):
that just was I felt a little bit of it,
you know, and Grant looking back hand and probably would have,
you know, wish that I would have done that, But
in the moment, I was thinking, you know, it might
just be I was trying to put myself in hand
and shoes and like if someone said that to me,
like it would obviously pull me back and take a
couple of steps back now thinking how serious you actually
were in the relationship. And you know, a lot of

(29:28):
this show too, it's like it's a beautiful, beautiful moment
that you two can share together and remember for the
rest of your lives. And while yes, I can admit
that I was heartbroken and I was dealing with a
lot of stuff at that time, again I kept looking
to what could be with us, and I didn't want
to possibly take a beautiful moment that we could look
back on and I'd be like so happy that I
did do it and we have it documented now, you know,
for for the rest of our lives. Like that was

(29:50):
a big reason why I wanted to do the show, was,
you know, to hopefully have my story documented that I
could pass down, you know, my kids and my grandkids
and they could all see it. And again that's probably
the best thinking, but that's what I was going through
my head. So when we had Hannah Ann on the show,
she even like she gave her side and her how
it affected her and everything. And one of the things

(30:13):
that she said that really stood out to us was
that when your season started, that's when you started to
question things. Maybe you were already questioning them internally, but
you started to say things to her that made her
feel like, Okay, maybe we aren't where I thought we were.
So did making the season back because like first first

(30:33):
maybe first episode you had your date with Madison. I
think they structure was different. So watching that first date,
is that when you started to say, oh, I need
to actually start telling her how I feel. Is that
when it started for you? Because then, and this is
the follow up, the second episode was with Hannah Brown,
and then she made that comment on stage, Oh, you

(30:53):
felt like you need a closure with Hannah Brown, right,
So I obviously was, you know, dealing with it internally,
um in regards to just my feelings still from Madison
at that point, and I hadn't really vocalized that to her. Obviously.
I when when I saw the first episode, it made
it tough for me, It really didn't. Obviously, it was

(31:14):
like a really great memory for me. It was a
great first, you know, one on one date with Madison.
And that was again the first time that I I opened
up to Hannah and about kind of where where I
was struggling. And I struggled with that so much because
that's the last thing I want to be putting on her.
Is Yeah, She's like, you know, she's my person now,
and you should feel comfortable leaning on that person and
sharing anything with them and you know, venting to them.

(31:35):
But it's like that's so inappropriate and so weird and
not what she wants to hear, especially them being the
final two in the end. So I like, I was like,
how do I go about this the right way? Um?
But then I just continued to open up and really
let her know, like where I was struggling and why
I felt what I felt. I just felt like I
needed to tell her that and she needed to know.
And M And then in regards to like you know,

(31:57):
with Hannah Brown, M listen on stage when she made
those comments, but and she she brought up Yeah, we
brought up the closure with Hannah Brown. True. What that
was in reference to though, was so we had watched
the first two episodes, I think, like in December we
had gone like the copy before obviously it all aired,

(32:19):
and we were watching it at our first happy Couple weekend,
and I guess Hannah Brown had been given the copy too,
says she watched it. And then Hannah Brown had reached
out to me on Instagram and direct message me and
said that, hey, like I had just seen the first
episode that was really rough, tough to watch, like, you know, like,
how are you doing with all that? Like I don't
know how I feel about it? And so then when

(32:42):
I got that, that's when I went to Hannah Ann
and I was like, hey, listen, Hannah Brown had reached
out to me. I want to see if you're comfortable
with me like continuing to talk and possibly give her closure,
give me closure and all this because of how everything ended,
would you be okay with that? And she, you know,
obviously was a little like uneasy about it, understandably, and
but finally I was like, listen as long just don't
see you in person, but yeah, you can you guys

(33:03):
can talk about it and and you know, handle all
that stuff. So is it okay? Thanks? And then you know,
Hannah and I, Hannah Brown and I just continue to
talk through things. And she had been getting some like
negative reactions from the you know, from the first episode
in the second one when I actually started airing too,
and so we're just being supportive of each other. I've
always been, you know, that way for Hannah Brown as

(33:25):
she's been for me. And that's what that was. In
regards to what kind of closure in that scenario were
you looking for? Because it seems like the way that
you guys left it on the show when you know
she was in your dressing room and who has had
that moment, it seems like it ended there. So what
kind of closure for me as a viewer? Like what
was missing? Like what did you both still need? I guess, well,

(33:47):
I know you can't speak for Hannah Brown, but what
did you need in that instance? Right? Ums? And when
I when I like, I guess when I say closure, um,
I just like I had brought that word up to
Hannah and just because Hannah Brown was expressing to me
that she didn't feel good about watching the episode, So
like for me, I was, you know, I was, I

(34:09):
was moved on and I really was, and I was,
you know, at the end of the show, I kept thinking,
to be honest, I kept thinking, they're gonna bring Hanah
Brown at the finale and they were going to somehow sure,
why not possibly see you know what I would do?
But I really was like I had had the closure
that I needed. Was it tough to watch absolutely, but
closure wasn't one hundred. It wasn't necessarily for me. Um.
But back to that first episode and that whole date. Honestly, Um,

(34:34):
we just ran out of time and we had to
go to a night portion of the date later on,
and a conversation had to get wrapped up. It wasn't
necessarily in our doing. We were told we had to,
we had to finish it, and and so kind of
left just like it was a little bit weird and
odd because here we are, and we're obviously two people
that have had strong feelings for each other in the past,

(34:55):
and we're reminiscing on that and not knowing what to do.
I told people like in that it didn't get aired,
but I told her, like, I'll leave the show right now.
I got to the Bachelor if like, if there's something
you wanted pursue, and um, you know, you go from
that and you have that serious, serious conversation and then
it literally just was like, all right, guys, it, time's up.
We have to we have to wrap this. And so

(35:16):
we gave each other a hug and um and just
like wish each other well, and then I left and
that's how it ended. It was like not the most
ideal way to end something like that. Yeah, well in
that on the show too, And what we saw is
that basically when Hannah Hannah b said that, you know,
I single out the end of this talk to her.
So since then, I mean, obviously we don't know what's
going on with her and Tyler and whatnot, but I mean,

(35:39):
does that offer soul stand ord? Have you even heard
from her to this day? We've talked since I did
get her number from when she started DM and me
on Instagram, and you know, we've just been very very
supportive of each other. I saw her at Dylan and
Hannah's engagement party and just really just really cordial and um,

(35:59):
you know, there's no love lost there at all. And um,
she's just been someone that I've been able to lean
on a lot, and she's like literally always been there
for me. Does any advice I needed? Just event like,
she's been someone that I've been able to go to
and is a really safe space and very grateful for
her doing that for me. But there's nothing there between
the two of you. No, nothing, nothing romantically as you know,

(36:22):
pursuing each other. Um no, great, So Madison, Wait are
you done with Hannah Anne. Yes, so yeah, we can
I think of rocking and rolling. Well, oh wait, I
guess I will ask you. Have you spoken to Hannah
and since the finale? Um? Not since the finale? So
just when? When? When the breakup day happened? Um? You know,

(36:47):
she obviously left and then later that day it was
you know, I just sent her a long text was
kind of obviously just apologizing again, just saying essentially that
I'll always me and my family will always be there
for her no matter what. And I sent it's a
long text to the you know, her family as well.
We had a group text change going then heard back
from anyone. I called Hnnahn once later that day. Obviously
she didn't you know, she didn't pick her up, she
didn't really want to talk to me, and um, yeah,

(37:07):
so then I saw her Afar. I talked with her
dad a couple of times. He had called me on
two occasions leading up to Afar, just kind of trying
to ask about, um, where my head was at and
what possibly might happen, what he could expect, just as
you know, protection protecting his daughter, which I understood, um,
and I tried to give him as much as I
could but obviously contray. Actually I wasn't necessary allowed to

(37:29):
do so much, so that was that was tough for me. Um.
But I haven't talked to Hannah and after Yeah, and
I mean I guess I get that and rightfully so
like her new brand now too is you know, she
stood up to you and you know, found her voice
and you know, moved on from that. So I think
it will you know, be backtracking exactly, you know, that's no,

(37:53):
I believe me. I want her to just thrive and
just absolutely have the most amazing, beautiful life ever find
her person, and I truly like, I love that girl.
I always will and no matter how she feels about me,
m I'll always always want the best herd Well is
Kelly friends with Hannah Anne and Madison. She Yeah, she is,
Um was she and maybe she's not now seeing the

(38:15):
new circumstances. No, Kelly and Hannah Anna talked and they're
they're they're very yeah, Corgil, it's been very friendly. Um,
you know she's uh, Hannah Anne's been you know, I
guess understanding of everything from what I've heard, and I
know they have talked. I don't know about with Madison,
but I do know that Hannah, Anne and Kelly are
good good. I like to hear that. I want to know.

(38:37):
I mean, obviously we don't know what's going on with
filming future seasons because of this whole coronavirus going on.
But like, if Hannah Anne or Madison or any of
the other girls like Kelly or I'm sorry Kelsey for
that matter, where to go on paradise or potentially become
a Bouchhart in the future, would that be weird for you?
Or are you at the point where you do truly
wish them the best and you're just like you know

(38:59):
what you do, I promise, like I really am at
that point. I still obviously, like I know how I
felt about them just a few weeks ago, a few
months ago, And I say, I've said that before, like
I was, I asked that question from Chris Hannah Brown
season Like it's the same for them. I will always

(39:20):
have love in my heart for them, Like they are
two very important people to me that through two months
we had an amazing, amazing experience together in relationship and um,
but I trust me, like I would that be weird
obviously seeing them probably with someone else, Yeah, I think so,
But I really, I just want them to be happy
and UM just want the best. I think it would

(39:42):
be weird if it depending on who it was, right Like,
if you saw them with another Batter Nation person, it
would be like whoa. If it was yeah, it's one
of the guys I think from like Hannah Brown season,
it might be a little bit stranger. But I can't
you know right then, you'd be pot kettle. Look look
where you are right now. You know exactly exactly, And
I'm not trying to be hypocrite all um, Okay, Madison,

(40:09):
So where to even start with this? I will preface
this by saying I was so pro Matt, you and
Madison together until you all had the second date and
she spoke about her faith. Totally fine, I'm a Christian
as well. And then I guess it was the next

(40:31):
week where then she told you she gave you the ultimatum,
call it which you want, it's what it was, but
didn't but then didn't tell you that she was saving
herself for marriage. Okay, So that's when things started to
change to me, because things don't make sense, and I think,
and my hope is to get some clarity here because

(40:52):
what you guys say, and by that I mean you
and Madison based on what she does or you do
doesn't add up and doesn't make like they don't match up.
Your words don't match up with your actions. And I
think that's where I get confused. So then I have
to deduce, like logically, try to figure out, Okay, well,
then this is what makes sense based on actions, right,

(41:13):
Actions speak louder than words. So I'm trying, maybe Becca,
you go in because I'm trying to figure out where
I want to start with this with this line of
questioning to try to understand your relationship with Madison. Well,
and I think this is a good point. You use
the word ultimatum Rachel and Peter. When she threw that
out there, you said, you know, I agree to disagree

(41:34):
with you. We haven't had a conversation with you, and
we haven't had one with Madison yet. I think when
that episode aired, I believe that week we probably had
talked to Chris Harrison or something, and he obviously gave
his take. But it's not you or Madison. And so
you felt like it wasn't an ultimatum. But what makes
you say that? Just because if I were to say that,

(41:57):
and I feel like I would just be a hypocrite
because the very first night of the entire you know,
the show, that's opening night in the Mansion. In my
opening toast to all the women, I asked them to please,
whatever is on your heart, always feel comfortable sharing that
with me. Don't hold back, whether it's good, bad, ugly.
You think it's going to hurt my feelings, piss me off,
or make me happy, or you're feeling it for me. Please,

(42:19):
I want this to be an open connection where you
can feel comfortable. And so yeah, it was later, way
later on in the whole journey there, but all that
Madison was doing, she wasn't telling me you have to
do this or this. She simply had something on her
heart that she felt I should know. We were in
a relationship, and in my opinion, that's completely acceptable for

(42:41):
someone to express how they're feeling. And if I were
to do something, it would make it really difficult for
them to continue and they'd possibly have to reevaluate. She
was never making a you have to do this or that.
She said, and this is how I'm going to feel.
I feel like you should know this. It's important because
we are dating. If you do this then this, right,
that's an ultimatum. You can call it whatever you want.

(43:04):
It doesn't mean that she can't express it to you,
like to express how she's feeling, you know. And I
don't want to argue whether it is an ultimatum or
it isn't. My issue more so is did you feel
a certain way knowing that you know you and Madison
have this relationship. You constantly defended her with your family,

(43:24):
saying you don't know Madison like I do. So obviously,
you guys shared a lot that we didn't get to see,
and we didn't really see the development of your relationship.
So did it not bother you that she could be
so upfront about everything? Except that? No, that did. And
I asked her, you know, why she didn't express that

(43:45):
stuff to me earlier on why she waited so long?
And I do think that it would have probably made
a difference in possing my actions moving forward. I can't
say for sure, because I truly wanted to stay so
present and I'm intentional with each of the other two
relationships going forward and that week, but yeah, I question that,
and her response to me was and I can I

(44:09):
can understand it is the timing of our relationship started
off with the first date. We were the very first
one on one. Maybe not something you bring up on
the very first date when you okay, so it wasn't
going to happen there group dates during the daytime, it
doesn't happen. You're having a fun time doing something in
the night portions if you do see the person, because

(44:31):
it's not always guaranteed it's a quick maybe ten minutes,
it's not necessarily something super super allowable to have like
a really deep important conversation. I agree as there. The
next date wasn't the one on one, was in Peru
and we had an amazing part of the day and
then the night portion. She did open up a lot
to me about stuff and her faith, and she could
have brought it up there. I could have seen that

(44:52):
was the one opportunity for her to do it if
she wanted to. I think I maybe And she told
me if she's like, I wasn't expecting you to kind
of like have a conversation and go way. When I
expressed her that I was falling in love with her,
I think I might might have thrown her off a
little bit in regards what she fully wanted to get out.
Maybe maybe not, and then it just to be honest,
it's like you look for the times where it could

(45:12):
have been really appropriate because we don't get time off
camera for her to have told me it. It was
kind of difficult just how the timing worked out. Do
you think religion is a difficult conversation to discuss with
someone when you don't know what their belief is? Yeah, exactly,
I do too. And when she had that second date
with you, I thought, Wow, good for her. You know,

(45:35):
she's like, this is what I believe, this is my faith,
this is what I want out of a husband, And
to me, it was the golden opportunity to express all
of it. And that's why I'm very curious as to
what you thought about that, because I thought, well, why
would you hold that back? You have admitted that it
probably would have affected your decision moving forward. You don't

(45:57):
know for sure, because hindsight we just don't know, but
it would have made you kind of go, huh, okay,
that's that's I wasn't expecting that, especially since you were
you said you wanted the women to be open from
night one, and you gave that speech to the women
that first night you also were very honest with them.
You're a very open person, intimate, believe in having that

(46:21):
intimacy with your significant other, and you don't you don't
hold back from that. I mean, you're in front of
your family. So I think my question was when that
when she said when she didn't tell you? But then
as from the audience, we knew at that point that
she was saving herself for marriage. I just didn't think

(46:44):
that it was fair to go on this season with
a man who has expressed is sexual, has expressed that
intimacy is important to him. So it's not like you're
going on Sean Lowe season, right, He's going on your season. Okay,
Peter sex at all in Bill four times, blah bla
blah blah blah blah blah. It's just saying that's how

(47:05):
you were, that's how you were build So America, I
get it. Yeah, So she comes on your season knowing
that she wants to save yourself, knowing that you're this person.
Did you ever question yourself? Why would you come on
my season knowing that I'm this way, only to possibly
eliminate yourself for that reason? Definitely question. It brought up

(47:27):
a lot of questions to her in kind of reference
to that, and I think to kind of start with,
you know, I remember asking her, like, so, why did
you because I've heard a lot of people saying, you know,
you you most likely knew Peter and like what he
kind of was about and the person he was and
what he was comfortable with, what he wasn't comfortable with doing.
Why did you feel like that would be the right
person to go on the Bachelor for it? And you

(47:49):
know she came back and she wasn't that just it
is annoying to her to hear because she's never been
someone that wanted to judge, Like I truly don't feel
like Madison is a judgmental person, like at all. She
can be very you know, prideful, and that's like a
great quality too, but she it's not someone that I
think is is a huge judger. And um, you know

(48:10):
she said she did listen, I didn't want to just
because of what your past was, Like, I'm not going
to judge you at all and that hold anything against you,
Like I if this was going to work for us,
let's take from that point on moving forward of of
you know, any possible judgment if you wanted to use
she had. You know, she actually had been someone that
had been I guess nominated by like a family friend

(48:31):
to come on the show, and it wasn't necessarily her
at first, and she didn't know she wanted to do it,
and she thought about it a lot and kind of
let the process run and then until she had to
actually make a decision if this is something she wanted
to do, and then she was. You know, from what
she told me, it was something that she just decided,
like why not. You know this this could be a
you know, an amazing opportunity to go find someone. Why
not will work? I have no idea, but why not?

(48:52):
I think maybe a little bit of it, if I
had to guess, was her in the beginning thinking I
don't know if this is my person, but like, this
could be a really cool opportunity. I'll be fair. But
I do know that that quickly changed with her and
she quickly realized, no, this is someone that I really
actually am feeling something for. And again, I don't think

(49:12):
there's really anything wrong with that, because people that you
want to say, oh, I came on just for you,
and I knew I was in love with you from
the beginning. I don't know if I buy so her
honesty with that is something I appreciated. Yeah, I'm not
trying to like defend her too much in all this.
I'm just very curious. We haven't had an opportunity to
talk to her, So I'm just curious as to what

(49:34):
your thoughts were about that, because I totally agree with that.
You have no idea at the beginning how it's going
to be, and then you slowly start to see yourself fall,
which is usually in most cases, and but then my
thought is still, okay, So why couldn't you be fully
open about what is so important to you and what

(49:57):
you so value. If you value it like that, why
are you waiting until you know the thirteenth hour right
to finally say something? I wish? I get confused. I
do wish you would have I and I think I
think maybe the fear might have been she would have
gone home, and she didn't want to go home for
whatever reason that may be. That's it's, oh my god,

(50:19):
if I tell him this, maybe I'll go home. Yeah,
that's that's totally fair. Um. I she wouldn't have gone home,
but I could totally see her in that moment. Yeah,
having those thoughts. Do you think and this is something
that we've talked about obviously without you and trying to
say like the what ifs, So say you get you

(50:42):
got to that fantasy suite a week. Obviously, that week
in itself was very different for your season because this
was the one time all of the girls were still
living together under the same roof during that very weird
intimate week. Had it gone differently, and I know you
don't necessarily have a say in the dates and who
goes win, but had Medicine gone first, had you spent

(51:04):
that first overnight with her, maybe just talking, maybe just
getting to know one another, and went on after that
with the other two women, do you think anything would
have panned out differently? Do you think she still would
have had that moment where she potentially was like, look,
I can't do this, I have to remove myself. Or
do you think that would not have taken place had
she gone first? Yeah, No, it would It wouldn't or

(51:27):
it would have changed things that she would have gone first,
and I would have known that obviously, we would have
probably most likely I discussed that in the fantasy suite.
Even look now, knowing what I know, if I would
have had a fantasy suite with her. You know, we
wouldn't have spent the night with each other. We would
have she would have been comfortable with talking with me,

(51:47):
you know, for a couple of hours. But that's something
also that you know she had mentioned me she is
saving for marriage. Is just that kind of time just
spent with you know, someone overnight, even with nothing physically happening,
something I can totally respect. But yeah, if I, if
I would have had her first, I would have a
little bit more knowledge about everything. And again, the hardest

(52:09):
part for me was I always tried my best to
be so intentional with each relationship and just get lost
in that relationship. That's what I did from the day
one till the very end. That's how I felt I
could actually make this work for me. And but yeah,
if you asked that question, yeah I think it would
have been different. But if so, if that were the case,
then and you know, you had Medicine's fantasy sweet night first,

(52:30):
move on to the next two girls. I mean, because
you yourself admitted when she asked you that night, you know, like,
have you been intimate with these two other women? And
you and I will say, I think you handled that situation, yeah,
I did. Like, kudos to you for how you approached it,
because that's a really, really tough situation had like would
would you have gone in and still been intimate with
those girls because of you know, it's it's an important

(52:52):
part to relationships, as you've said yourself, And so I
don't under like I can't imagine you not having the
same reaction in a moment and evening with the other
two girls. Like for me, it's like, if you want
it's going to be intentional. If you're going to be
intentional and put yourself in every single relationship right, well,

(53:14):
it's inevitable. And it's like you want to exhaust every
relationship till you get to the end if that's where
it needs, if that's what you need to do to
get there, to figure out each relationship and what is
truly best for you at the end of this, you
probably would have still had to do the same things.
And so in my mind then it makes it tough
to see like had she gone first, yes, maybe you
would have gone into the next two nights and the

(53:34):
next two dates with the other two women knowing how
she would have felt. But at the end of the day,
like things still probably would have taken place to I think,
like allow for her to still have that moment of
being like, maybe I do need to remove myself. No,
I think you're right. Yeah, I can't say for sure

(53:54):
what I would have done. I guess I'll take that back.
I do. I believe it possibly could have changed things. Definitely, Listen,
would have given it a lot more gravity if I
would have known that stuff before. And listen, Peter, would
you have pulled a Colton and just ended the season
and beent like I'm all in with this one girl. No,
I'm not gonna say that, but I just again, it

(54:16):
would have just given it a lot more gravity the
whole situation. And but then what you guys are saying,
that's what I said as well, Like while I was,
you know, on this show, like I wanted to be intentional.
I wanted to get lost in that relationship and explore
everything I needed to. I've always felt, and I still feel,
like intimacy is a huge important part of relationship. I
have different views obviously than I see in regards to

(54:36):
that and what I'm saving it for not saving it for.
And that's totally fine that we have those different views.
But for me, I guess, like you sayah, hindsight, twine, twine,
We'll never know because I'll never be put in that
situation again. She says that you're not compatible. She talks
about you guys not be compatible. There's just too many differences.
You just have two different lifestyles, right. Whether she realized
that with you, with talking to your family, that was

(54:57):
the conclusion that she came to, and so she felt
it was best to self eliminate. I actually agreed with
that decision. So then we see what happens move forward.
You engaged to Hannah Anne, you break up with Hannah Anne.
Then the moment you break up with Hannah Anne, what
is your thought? Is your thought? I can go pursue
Madison or you did you reach out to her? Tell

(55:20):
the truth, because I've seen these rumors that apparently y'all
have mutual friends and y'all were hanging out. So go ahead, Yeah, no,
we So we do have a mutual friend that she
had met on the first date. So one of my
close friends from high school. She had met her on
that first date of my parents dylarnual ceremony, and they
had stayed close and connected. We would talk, you know,

(55:43):
to that mutual friend. I guess both of us obviously
on our own, and you know she did. My friend
did a good job of respecting each other's privacy and
not like she wouldn't tell me anything that Madison was
saying like she wouldn't. He was really respecting that. That's
why I knew I could obviously trust her to do
the same. Um did I have like when the relationship
ended it with Hannah and and I have thoughts about

(56:04):
possibly reaching out. I did, but I just feel like
that that wasn't my place to do it. She had
left me, I did not leave her, and if anything
like that was ever going to happen, it was like
I just didn't see how it'd be right for me
to go reach out her, like she'd just said no
to me once, and that's why I didn't. So prior
to breaking up with Hannah, Anne, you you yourself had

(56:26):
no contact with Madison up until that point, correct, And
then afterwards then I guess I'm confused. And so we
see Chris Harrison go to Madison bring Madison back to you,
and you didn't expect to see her. So did you
have a conversation with Chris to be like, yeah, maybe
go get her. Did you know any of this was
going down? I knew none of that was going down.

(56:48):
The only thing I knew about was one of the
one of my producers, had just mentioned to me, like, hey,
you see some pictures Madison was like a film crew
right now. I guess they went to like in Auburn,
in her hometown, and they couldn't tell me what it
was about. And that's kind of like they just wanted
to give me heads up, Hey you might see some
pictures like don't like freak out. And I was like, okay,
but did you think she was going to be bachelorette?

(57:10):
Did she think it? No? Did you think that? I
definitely thought there was a chance for that, And I
guess that's where did I think possibly something could be
going on in regards to like me, I did, but
I didn't know for sure. So that's why when she
did surprise me, I obviously was very shocked and I
expect to see her there. I was. I was told

(57:31):
I was gonna talk to Chris that dad, and so
like they just had me doing some b roll looking
around and and then I hear the heels come in
and like that. But and then that's my Saul Madison. Yeah,
that interaction was weird. I'll just be honest, y'all, didn't
I knew you were caught off guard. I could tell
you were surprised. Yeah, but she knew she was coming
to see you, right, and it was just off like

(57:52):
she didn't seem that excited. I mean, she we had
just seen her say that she still loves you, right,
obviously you still loved her. Didn't express it then, but
we learned it. I just and you, being the person
that you are, just just very passionate, y'all just seem like, Okay,
here we are. It just didn't seem it was kind

(58:14):
of underwhelming. M Yeah, what what what was that? I agree?
And because I even I think even to on stage
at Afar people, I've heard comments like that. Just the
chemistry didn't really seem there at all. Oh yeah, it
was not. Okay, it wasn't you're you're right, You're totally right.
I don't know if it was just nerves it was
it was just being you know, uncomfortable. Um, I don't

(58:39):
know what it was that you guys bring up a
really valid point. Yeah, it seemed a little odd. I agree.
Do you think it had something to do with and
and Rachel and I think talked about this on the
same podcast that we had Hannah and on. So basically
I think my like, as a viewer, I felt like
I was lacking in that entire ending scenario because basically

(59:01):
Madison had removed herself because she felt like, you guys
weren't compatible. Your lifestyles didn't maybe line up, and she
just couldn't see it working in the long run. So
she then removes herself at the end, only to then
come back after talking with Chris, and you know, she
told Chris like, I love Peter, who knows where this
could go? Let's see. So she then comes to surprise

(59:23):
you in LA. But really, like what was going through
my mind that entire time was that, like nothing's changed
up until that point. Like guess maybe she still loves
you know, has those feelings, but if ultimately she felt
like the lifestyles weren't going to be compatible, like that's
still the case, Like nothing is any different besides like

(59:44):
her saying like, oh, Peter ended his engagement with Hannah Anne.
So I feel like if I were to be you
or her, and this is just me being me and
how I would react. I would like I probably wouldn't
have gone out to La because I would have still
been like, Okay, yeah, you can love somebody, but at
the end of the day, so relationships just don't work
out because you aren't compatible. And so for me watching it,

(01:00:05):
I was like, what is going on? Because she was
very like adamant about one thing and that thing is
still present, but now she's doing something to try and
see if it could maybe work. It just it didn't
line up, and maybe that's what was causing the tension
and why it seemed off. And before you answer to
piggyback on what Becca's saying, is she eliminates herself because

(01:00:27):
you had been intimate during the same week with another woman,
and then you propose to a woman you obviously are
intimate with her. You've commit possibly spending the rest of
your life with this person, which is even more than
just you know, being intimate with women during a fantasy week.
And she can come back after that, but not come

(01:00:49):
back but not deal with what she dealt with when
the season was going on. Yeah, those are two good points,
I think real quick. On the second one, I think
that probably was a reason that it seemed very comfortable
from her. Obviously for me, I was probably picking up
on that body language and just the vibe. But I
do know that, like, you know, stuff that didn't make it,

(01:01:10):
that didn't air what we had more of a conversation
than aired. You know, she did feel you know, like
a little bit uncomfortable in regards to me, just it
was tough for her to take the fact that I
had you been engaged. That was hard for her. A
swell and obviously coming out and making an effort to
come and post to see if there's still something here
with me was uncomfortable for her because she didn't want
to be stepping on Hannah Ann's toes. And I remember

(01:01:32):
her being like very thoughtful of that and kept like
just wanting to make sure that she if we were
going to do this, it'd be like done the right way.
So I think I get it. Like it it seems
a little odd. Why could she be not okay with
Fantasy Suit Week, but coming after, you know, an engagement
just ended. I definitely think she was uncomfortable about that.
But was she did you ask her that question? Yeah?

(01:01:53):
And she told me that, Like she straight up told me,
like in our conversation that she just she didn't know
the best way to go about this. She had obviously
when she had gone back home, she had started really
processing everything that had just happened, and you know, she
realized that her feelings for me weren't going away. She
really struggled that for a while, and kind of to

(01:02:14):
what you were saying, Becca, Yeah, ultimately, listen, did our
differences and lack of compatibility be the reason that we
stop things? Yes, But she admitted to me that she thought,
like her exact words were, and obviously like I'm very
different than you know, possibly her dad or whatnot, but
and all the respect in the world for her dad,
but she told me, she's like, I kept thinking that

(01:02:36):
I wanted someone just like my dad, and that's kind
of how like I just grew up and people that
I've dated. And then after reflecting and everything in the
months that ensued, she said that she realized that she
doesn't need anyone like her dad because she's just like
her dad. And the fact that I am, you know,
different in a lot of ways actually were qualities that
she realized why she felt for me. And you know,

(01:02:58):
she admitted that, m And so that's I think why,
you know, she elected to kind of like restart this
and give this, you know, hopefully another chance with us again. Ultimately,
when we really just had an honest, honest conversation with
each other the two days after Afar, and it was
just me and her, and we said, listen, let's completely
remove our heart, our feelings from this conversation and only

(01:03:20):
speak logically about if this is possible, can this work?
And it was it was no, And yeah, go ahead, Peter,
I'm sorry, no, But like I mean, I just I
think that what you saw there was was was two
people that obviously had strong feelings for each other, and yeah,
there was a reason issue why we ended, but weren't

(01:03:43):
really ready to completely give up on those feelings. And again,
from what she realized, like you know, she said she
had dated a lot of other guys that were different
from me, that were like what she thought she wanted,
they weren't working out for a certain reason, and so
this is something that she realized, you know, before she
came out. Yeah, I mean, it gets it makes sense
to me. It's just what doesn't make sense is Okay,

(01:04:05):
So y'all have that talk, Glad. That was one of
my questions. So glad to know after we saw you
guys meet for the first time since the breakup, you
guys had a full out conversation and everything. That's great.
So I would imagine that you continue to talk from
then up until the finale, which is kind of why
the message you kept giving them, like BECA and I

(01:04:26):
and other outlets is we don't know how this is
going to end. We don't know how this is going
to end. So I'm curious as to what was the
game plan coming into the finale, Like what was it
supposed to be? How were you guys supposed to because
I think the most shocking thing is two days later,
y'all are done. It's like, well, what the hell was
all that for? You stood up to your family, you know,
you you profess your love for each other and how difficult,

(01:04:49):
you know what's going to be, and you're gonna work
at it. Only for two days later you guys ended,
which is why I think a lot of people thought
it was staged. I'll say that, and it did not. Yeah,
I got that, I've heard that, but it was not stage.
I can promise you guys that we we didn't see
each other until this on Stage Life finale, we did talk. Obviously,

(01:05:09):
we faced time a lot, and we just had a
lot of those you know talks that we needed to
have that I wish you would have had way sooner
than we could have had in the Fantasy suite, you know,
with time off camera, you know, it's kind of crazy,
but really the main the first time that her and
I ever spent time alone off camera was when after
the show ended, and that was just like crazy for
like such a serious relationship for that to have been

(01:05:30):
the first time. But we really didn't know what we
were going to do, and we knew that, like obviously
there were still feelings there, but going into the finale,
we really didn't know what we're gonna do. And I
don't like, looking back on it, I'm confused as why
we didn't, like I didn't see each other before it
was an option and like I I wanted to do it,

(01:05:51):
and you know, I remember her same stuff like well
maybe we should just like make this like really authentic
on stage and like not like have that be the
first time and I saw I saw some of that
like d and um, but I remember like good before
I listen, I remember there too, before I was like,
I think I need to see her. I need to
see her. And at that time, oh yeah, pater for somebody,

(01:06:16):
I becka back me up on this. When you love
somebody and you have those happy couple weekends or you
haven't seen anybody, you are itching there is like you
are dying to see that person inside and the and
I get you saying I wanted to see her. I
wanted to see her, and to hear that she was like,
maybe we should wait because it's more authentic on stage.

(01:06:38):
Are you putting on a show or are you trying
to get to know each other. That's where I have
the conflict. And you guys had already had so much
lost time and there was so much time that need
to be made up, I think, to make to really
solidified the relationship. And so if I was the two
of you, I would have like, from the moment she

(01:06:58):
had flown out to La to try to rekindle things
with you, that entire time, I would have been like, look,
we need to be together. We need to see if
we can make this work. We need to make up
for all of the last time there needed, like I think,
for a relationship and for like you want to be
with someone. As Rachel said, you want to spend those
epy couple moments together. Um, and so to me, like,

(01:07:22):
I wouldn't have reacted that same way I would. I
would not. I would have been so terrified to get
on stage and have there be so many unknowns like
I would have won. That's why it was awkward. I
would not have you by my side, Peter, to really
back each other up, to support one another, to feel
super solid in that. And so I mean, and if

(01:07:43):
you had the opportunity to do it, shit, you should have.
And it wasn't It wasn't all her. I like I
agreed to it too, Like I it wasn't just her
all this happened. I just think the common thing theme
that a lot of people saw is it looked like
you were giving one hundred percent and one hundred percent
wasn't being given back to you. That's just kind of

(01:08:03):
how it comes off to an audience. So I'm very
curious as we know how your family felt about Madison. Yeah,
we saw it all play out. I don't really want
to get in all that, but I have to ask
why did your family feel a certain way about Madison?
And I mean, like, not just a feeling like it was.
It was like a steadfast thing and it went from father, mother, brother,

(01:08:28):
you know, let your mom tell it, friends as well.
So why were there feelings so strong against Madison. I
think all of that stuff really did start in Australia
when they when they were out there and it was
like the family visits and the you know, Hannah Ann
had gone first and that went. She just knocked it
out of the park. My family fell in love with
her immediately, obviously I knew why, and which just was

(01:08:49):
such a great day. And the second day comes in
Madison and just boom is granted, this is all my
doing that got her in this headspace, and I can
I can take that responsibility. But she was not a
good headspace at all. And like the talks about you know,
being outside the house for three hours waiting, having my
parents wait was one hundred percent try that was that
was the case, um. And I was essentially trying to

(01:09:10):
like convince her why I felt like we needed it,
like at least put this stuff behind us and talked
to my family. You know, they had just flown halfway
around the world. If we go in and if I
go in and say, listen, Madison just can't talk right now,
Like that's just not going to be a good look.
So she didn't want to talk to your family. She didn't. Yeah,
she didn't feel like she was in the right headspace
to be able to go do that, okay, And so I,

(01:09:30):
you know, I understood why she was still on the
way she did. I knew we had to work on
our own stuff, but that's just the way the show
goes and the schedule, and like that was the one
day we had allocated to go spend time with my family,
and so I did my best to try to convince
her why, you know, she finally, you know, realized, okay,
you know, she was gonna do it for me and um,
and then we went inside and obviously just off it

(01:09:51):
was off to a bad start, you know, we my
family obviously was you know, obviously annoyed. I don't think
anyone would be like waiting three hours just doing nothing
to have that conversation. It just got off to a
bad start. Just immediately. You could feel the vibe was
not the same with Hannah Anne, and you know they
had I guess known a little bit now about the
differences that we had had. I expressed to them, you know,

(01:10:13):
the day prior about when I was talking about both
women that you know, there have been some issues that
Maddie and I were going through because of what had
happened with the Fantasy Sweet Week, and so they had
already seen, like started to see these differences, and they
just being my family and the one on one conversations
I had with each of them, like we're just like,
they didn't see this working. They just didn't see it working.

(01:10:34):
And they saw that, yes, she was an amazing girl,
but the two of us were just too different, and
they were just looking out for me, and you know,
you see that passion kind of come out on stage
and everything. And I think I do think as much
as I can, you know, defend Maddie and everything, and
I do think that she could have coming out on
stage apologize, you know, a really quick apology to my

(01:10:55):
parents about the last time she had seen him and
what had gone down. I think that would have gone
a long way, and I really really do, you know,
Fortunately that didn't happen. That wasn't the case, and that's
kind of why that's really because that's the only time
my parents saw Maddie like that was really where that
passion that just like them, being just like ants is
not going to work. Bud. You gotta like, you gotta

(01:11:16):
understand that that's where that came from. Peter. So your
mom said this during the finale, But she said that
day after, you know, waiting a couple of hours and
finally sitting down with Maddie, that she asked her flat out,
like do you love my son? And she had said no,

(01:11:36):
And that's what you So when your mom had told
you that, and maybe and I think she had said
that she your brother had asked Maddison the same thing
and Madison had said the same answer. So when you
knew that, what was going through your your brain and
knowing like, Okay, you know she's still here, but she's
been on the fence about sticking around or leaving, and

(01:11:59):
now she's admitted and that she's not in love with
me to my family, Like, what was going through your brain?
I was so confused because literally an hour before outside
she said she did love me. That was the first
time she told me. I remember like being ridiculous because
I was like, it's all I've been wanting to hear
the entire time. And then like I just we were
having a very serious conversation that like I just completely

(01:12:19):
lost all seriousness because I was kind of happy and giddy. Um,
So she just told me that outside. And that's why
my mom told me that. I was just very very
confused and shocked because I'm like, what she just told
me she did? And then but that's that's another thing.
That's that's another thing of why my mom was, you know,
very passionate about what she was saying. Was you hear
she has Hannah Anne, her and her hit it off

(01:12:40):
like no other. Hannah's expressing how she does feel about me,
and she can totally see this with me, and then
it's a literally complete opposite, you know, with Maddie, and
you know, her saying that she didn't love me and
that she couldn't see an engagement in the next couple
of days. That part, I will say, I get why
Maddie couldn't see an engagement after how strongly she felt
about fantasy like intimacy. I get that. A couple of

(01:13:00):
days later, that's not ideally how you want to be
proposed to knowing what happened a couple I get that,
But I do know that like that went a long
way with my mom to like not be the biggest
fan of that relationship. When when Maddie told her that, well,
then I guess where's the disconnect, Like, why did she
just tell you that? And then she said no to
your family. Did you ever ask her about that? Yeah? Yeah,
And I think I don't know. I think it's like

(01:13:26):
semantic all right. It was just like she, I guess
the way my mom met asked it was like, are
you madly head over heels in love with my son
or something like that, And I guess that made Maddie
say no. I don't know. It was just a confusing day.
I don't Yeah, it sounds it sounds very confusing, and
it sounds like you're better off. I don't want to

(01:13:49):
see anybody fail. Yeah, but it sounds like you guys
are better separate than together. Yeah, if you could. Because
I know that we were supposed to talk to you
after the finale, and obviously nobody saw it going the
way that it did, and Becca and I totally respected
the fact that this is personal at this point and

(01:14:10):
it's not about doing a podcast, Like we care about
you and we want you to be okay at the
end of the day. So I don't want to get
into the details of your conversation with Madison, but after
you got off stage, and obviously there was some you know,
you guys were upset and emotional. Did you know that
it was over at that point? No, So we got

(01:14:31):
off stage. I remember we were both in a bad headspace,
just like down We walked up to like the changing
room areas where we were waiting before it just her
and I. We had a quick moment just with each other.
We just hugged each other and just kind of like
we're supporting each other. Then we decided to talk to
some producers. At that point, I don't from my side,
I didn't think that it was it was over over

(01:14:53):
or anything. We then separated. I went back to my hotel.
She went back to her hotel, called her parents for
a little bit, came back to my hotel. We spent
a couple of hours and just you know, we're there
for each other. Didn't really have a serious conversation about
figuring this out, but just wanted to be there for
each other and spend time. Fast forward to the next day,
I didn't see her mom had flown out and spent

(01:15:13):
the day with her. The next day, The second day
is when I went over to her hotel and we
spent just like you know, six hours probably just talking.
And that was when it had that sentiment going into
the conversation that this is this is it, this is
not this is unfortunately as sad as it is, like
it's not going to work as much as like maybe
we might want it to have worked. And that was

(01:15:36):
the day where we both I think knew that it
was it was over. So you guys agreed to do
an Instagram post to kind of announce at the same time.
And then what did you do after that? Did you
go home? Yes? Um, so that day was when I
left her hotel, I went straight home, and I was

(01:15:56):
the first time I saw my family and first just
you know, went in, gave him a hug and just
like told him I loved him and everything and um,
and then expressed them what had just happened with Mattie
and I and what we had decided to do, and um,
you know kind of began that whole healing process with
my family and everything and just sticking together. But yeah,
that was the first day I went home and then

(01:16:17):
she went to go play board games with Selena Gomez
so I know, I didn't know that actually until the
TMZ guys told me that, but um was that who
culture I went, I know, jesus um I had found out.

(01:16:39):
So she had told me that night that she was
going to go spend some time with one of her friends,
one of her good girlfriends that was living in la Um.
Talking to Maddie later after because we had text here
and there, um after was she told me like listen,
I know how I guess how that could look. But
like she did go over to her friend's place and
her friend just ended up being really good friends with Selena,
and I guess Selena had said something about, you know, hey,

(01:17:02):
we're like going to my grandmother's house play board games,
like come over here, and some really went over there.
That's that's what I heard. Have you I believe it?
I believe it. So have you and Maddie stayed in
content contact since all of that or is it pretty
much you know you've shut the door, you guys have
both moved on. Yeah, we talked. We text her a
little bit after, and you know, it was sad. You know,

(01:17:24):
there was obviously like you know, missing each other kind
of stuff like that and whatnot. And um, you know,
I remember she'd like send me like a video and
it's just like it was. It was tough, but we
we we both knew it was over. And then um
kind of just all ended. Yeah, like we I r
had sent her one thing and like I never really
heard it and came back. I'm like, okay, yeah, like

(01:17:44):
this is I got to stop doing this. And then um,
and then the whole Kelly stuff happened. Um, and you
know I came out here to be be here for her,
and yeah, I had sound like a text to Madison
just kind of explaining everything so she could hear it
from me, and she was like, really, you know, Brig
and rock Star and under you know, wasn't like trying

(01:18:05):
to be even big or anything that I didn't think
it was like, wasn't trying to be mean about it,
and just like kind of like told me that. It's
like like I appreciated that, and uh yeah. Then I
haven't talked to her since. So, Becca, I don't know
if I've ever asked you this question before or I've
even said this, but so Peter, I'm directing this to you,
and Becca you can answer too. I in Fantasy Suite

(01:18:26):
I asked all of my guys if I didn't choose them,
would they be the Bachelor like I wanted to. It
wasn't really a trick question. It was just more of
I'm very curious to see how you would respond to this.
And so, Becca, did you ask your guys? Well? So,
when I had fantasy suites, I only had two because

(01:18:47):
I had sent Jason home prior to spending the night
with him. Um, so I had Garrett and Blake. Had
I gone a different route and ended up with Blake, Hell, no,
would Garrett have been the Bachelor. There's no way. No.
Garret wouldn't have done he would, you know? And well,
and I do know. I mean Blake was in talks

(01:19:08):
to potentially be the Bachelor, um, along with some of
the other guys when Colton season happened. So, um, I'm
sure he would have said yes. I never asked him that,
But yeah, I know Garrett would have you paid one
million dollars and he would have not been the Bachelor.
I think Brian would have would have done it. Um.
So I'm going somewhere with this. I'm asking you, Peter, Yeah,

(01:19:32):
do you think that because we kind of touched on
this but we didn't go into this when you were
told that the cameras were at Madison's um and I said, oh,
did you think that she was going to be asked
to be the bachelrette? Do you think that if she
was asked she would have done it? No? I don't.
What about Hannah Ann Um? Yeah, okay, what about Kelly Um? No,

(01:20:06):
Kelly no one. So why do you think Hannah ann
would have and not the other two? Well? I guess
so to be fair, I didn't actually ask them, so
like my final three of this, and I never I
never asked Hannah Anne Um it came up and talks
to Madison and I and I tell you no, because
she told me she would have said no, like that

(01:20:26):
wasn't something she would have done. Um. But I guess
with Hannah Anne, I mean because it's it's not there's
there's nothing negative about that. Like I if you would
if I would be talking to two former bacherettes here, yeah,
in your final three, like if someone or might you
know Hannah Brown would ask you? Like I would have
been like, if you don't pick me, this is really
weird question. But of course, like obviously it's working for me, right, now,

(01:20:46):
so I know that it could work if you broke
my sight. Now and it's not gonna work, why wouldn't
I want to? Um? So it's nothing negative, but I
think yeah, Hannah, and you know, would have would have
what do you what are you trying to do? Kind
of sneak behind me? Is that Kelly? Yeah, he's trying
to crawl on the floor behind me. Kelly, we heard
you were Oh she didn't hear us because he's got
headphones on. Binger on, come on it, come on it.

(01:21:11):
Say hi, can you hear us sneak around? Kelly? She's
been bashful. Wait, we actually called to talk to you,
and Peter just happened to pick up. I was just
hogging the zoom screen now, Hi, Kelly. No, that's the question.

(01:21:32):
We were just asking him. Listen, we got a little
too awkward on this show. No, you're not awkward. You
just I think, yeah, spoken, I don't think. I think
you would have Kelly. You would have been good because
you would have kept the men in their place. True,
you just get it. Becca and I are also two
Batchelors who didn't have a lot of drama in our
season because we were kind of like we're here to

(01:21:54):
do something, and it's like, it is what it is,
So you probably would have been like, like, it's changed
a little bit, like in the past couple of years,
it's more drama focused. So do they hold on to that?
They reverse it and go back to what you guys
had say, she's already she's asking the wrong this. Yeah,
she couldn't do it. Are you do? You still have

(01:22:15):
to work right now? Um? I should be working more
than I am, but there's little things that I still
have to do. Yeah, I just didn't know. I mean,
I don't practice anymore, so I'm like, Oh, what's what's
going on in the legal world or people? Still, I
did finish my cls this month, so I was so
proud of myself for finishing. Remember. Yeah, Hey, hey, Rachel,

(01:22:40):
may it please the court. I'm so proud of you.
I'm so proud of you. Look at you two steps
away from a courtroom. No, we've just been having fun
asking Pewter questions about and Kelly. You're somebody we wanted
to talk to the show. I feel like we've hot

(01:23:02):
We've No. No, I'm not gonna hog your time because
we've been talking to Peter. I feel like for an
hour and a half. At this point, I'm in my closet.
So Specca, we have nothing else to do, so parties
DJs on the team. Okay, well here's a question. Why
were you at women till all? I honestly don't know. No, no,
not at women? Sorry, why were you affe? I really

(01:23:23):
don't know. I think it's just from from the only
The only thing that I got was Chris Harrison doing
an interview saying that they want to throw people off
because they thought I was pregnant with Peter's child or
something like, Yeah, was that a rumor practice? Yeah, people
call up with the weirdest crap. You guys, I swear well, Kelly,
when when rached, I saw you because we were there,

(01:23:44):
we were just watching backstage. We weren't allowed out there,
which we really wanted to. But when we saw you
were like, let us go sit with Kelly and Barr.
Why are you guys keeping your back here? You were
sitting next to my friend Kelly, my two guests on
to show the guy. It was a couple that was
sitting next to you. Yeah. So like they're big Bachelor fans.

(01:24:06):
They do like he does ESPN stuff and he's like
like we were sitting next to Kelly. I was like, well,
you're welcome. I didn't even plan it that way, but
you're welcome. That's so funny. And the first time I
ever saw her there, it was there in the first
commercial break and then Chris is like, hey, so I
just did a little shift that out to Kelly. She's
up there, and I looked at it. Kelly just waving,

(01:24:26):
like what were y'all in communication at that point? Like
were y'all like cool? Y'all hadn't okay? I like people
think everything happened like before. I didn't get her number
until so I was talking about Christian that night, like
nothing before. Well, in all fairness, you don't really need
phone numbers these days, there's so many ways to communicate. So, Kelly,

(01:24:48):
I'll ask you this question because we asked Peter when
we know that you guys have been quarantined before those
infamous TMZ photos, when you decided to say, you know what,
we're going to go to the river Walk where y'all
just like fuck it, We're gonna go. Who cares? Who sees? No,
not the social distancing, I mean like being out in public.

(01:25:08):
Oh No, to be completely honest, I think we're pretty
naive and in that aspect um, you know, I was
wearing like two hoods. He was wearing sunglasses and a hat,
and I guess that just doesn't really work well with
Clay and dust In two. I mean like stick out
like sort of you know what's crazy? The real quick
this is insane? Um. So Katrina, who lives in Chicago

(01:25:29):
as well, she sent a picture to Kelly this is insane,
like loose Katrina Katrina night one with the pussycat. Oh,
I don't start knowing name. Still halfway through she had
taken a picture like a selfie sitting on the river

(01:25:50):
walk this is crazy, and then in the background it's
the three. It was the three of us with Dustin
as well. You could tell what we were wearing if
you compare to other pictures, and we're like, this is insane.
You can't go the leaka one who I thought looked
like me and a Dobrev Right, who's that? I thought
she looked like some actress when I think that was her?

(01:26:12):
Okay she was she was at woman tell all? Okay,
ye how was that? Woman's all? Definitely I'm sorry, I
would say, well, we'll see you are on Paradise, but
who knows if Paradise is even moving forward? Yeah, well, okay,
let me ask you this, because Kelly Peter's being very
quoit about where your relationship stands these days. If Paradise

(01:26:34):
happens and you get asked, would you go, yeah, I don't.
I don't think I'm made for these shows affect it.
They're amazing. It was an experience, but I don't know.
I don't know how much of the future I have them. Well,
what about friends, because like I remember, coming on, I

(01:26:55):
was like, I'm gonna stick to myself. I'm the oldest
one in the house. I'm just gonna read my book books,
go on these dates, do my thing. And I was
pleasantly surprised that I have friends on the show and
that I know will be friends forever. Was that the
same experience you had? And if so, who are you
close to? Yeah? Coming coming off the show, it's funny

(01:27:15):
because when you're on the show and off the show,
you you gravitate towards other people. But yeah, I talked
to like McKenna and Kelsey every day, um and throughout
throughout the whole you know of it airing back, you
kind of just gravitate towards what episode is going on
and who you're with on that group date or what
happened there, you know. Um, but I'm friends with with

(01:27:36):
all the girls. I don't have any beef with any
of them. Um. Yeah, Kelsey and mckennare are the ones
that day keep in contact with a lot. Well, my
forever favorite moment of you will be laying back on
that bench with that foot up twirling. I said, Kelly
is an entire mood that is me. I was, like,
I have Kelly, Kelly is me crazy? I tell him

(01:28:01):
all the time, like I've listened to y'all's podcasts, and
the way that you think is very similar to mine,
Like everything you usually say. I was like, spun on
s fun on, Like I get it, I get it.
And I keep telling him that. I was like, just
the way that she thinks like is incredible, Like I'm so,
I'm literally jealous because you can tell you're you're super
intelligent with everything you say. And thank you fut on

(01:28:22):
for I don't know everything. It's you know, you know,
law school is like it teaches you a certain way
to think more than anything else. But it's nice to
hear it's appreciated because it's not appreciated by most. I
always say our podcast is a logical like, it's not
for the hopeless romantics. You know, we're here to just
like have a discussion and to talk things out, and

(01:28:42):
not everybody wants to hear that. And there are other
podcasts you can go to for that. Kelly, I will
say you watching you and Rache and I have loved
you the entire season. You were one of our favorites
because you're just a breath of fresh air, because you
are logical, you are intelligent, you speak your mind, you
are very articulate, but rich. I'm gonna disagree, and I'm
gonna say the best moment of Kelly on the season

(01:29:04):
was when you were the aboiler. Yeah, yes, that moment.
You're right, You're right, Becca, That was I knew I
liked it before, but watching you was the aboiler, I
was like, God, she's good. And then when and when
she and then when she like changed the script up though,
because like that she wasn't the script and it was
just like, pought me off guard while we're filming ou,

(01:29:25):
I'm like, what it was like, let's go, oh, quarantine,
can you like, play act and do another telenovela together.
That's what you should do. Yeah, we didn't give them
the tiktoks. We don't have when it takes that TikTok,
but we can get listen. I am an anti TikTok person.
Becca just joined. I can't get it. I would I

(01:29:46):
would be worse than you, So kudos to you for
doing it. I can't. Kelly. Have you been on any
of the other podcasts? Did you do Nick or Kaylin's
or are we the first? No? She she was with
Kaitlin and Ben Okay, can you tell can you guys
tell us like one thing that you didn't tell them,
like some juicy detail, some juicy d give us, like

(01:30:10):
give us something good that we can run with here,
an exclusive, an exclusive? Kind of boring? Kelly, have you
seen Peter in the shower during this quarantine? Is Peter
better in real life or on the show? Oh my god,

(01:30:33):
in real life better? I think pick up for him.
I was like, some parts of him that you saw
were like necessarily him. But I even used to say
on the show, I was like, there's Peter Webber and
then there's Bachelor, the Peter or the bachelor, Peter, and
you know they're big. You stop saying that, And I
was like, no, true, I met him outside of this

(01:30:54):
and he's so much cooler than he is on Peter,
you are cool. Well we did see on the show.
I guess I'd rather have it that way than vice versus.
So thank you. No, absolutely, So you feel like if
you met Peter, well you did meet him in real
life before, but like you guys could hit it off,
Oh for sure, Yeah, I think though, yeah, it's definitely

(01:31:17):
a it's yes, it's a compliment taken. It's a fine
line to try to be both the same person you
see on TV is the same person you are in person,
so right, you know, I know, yeah, Well, and that's
the thing I think as leads, there's so much that
happens that can't be portrayed on TV, and so I
think for everyone, anyone who's ever been on the show,
there's so much more. People are way funnier or more

(01:31:38):
charismatic than what they come across. And Peter, I mean,
I've met you now a few times in person, and
like you really are just this very warm, bighearted, like
fun charismatic guy that that I think we saw a
good part of it on the show. But I think
that they're so much more and so, you know, regardless
of what happened throughout the entire season and it didn't

(01:32:00):
pan out, I'm sure as anyone had expected. Um, I
think you are on your own path and I'm so
happy you were are a bautchelo, I really am. Yeah,
you seem happy. Like we've talked to you a couple
of times in studio. You're different, You're different. Thanks Kelly.
Thanks Kelly, she's been amazing. How many times have you
FaceTime Barb. Yeah, she's obsessed with Sophie Dustin's dogs and

(01:32:27):
she's always calling, Hey, let me see Sophie, let me
see Sophie, let me see Chop Chop. So that's that's Kelly,
Chop Chop. We heard about Chop chopped up? All right, Well, Kelly,
we're so happy you popped into this. Thank you boys.
Thanks Kelly. We hope to see more at you. Um
So Peter, as I just said, you know, there's obviously
so much more than than what anyone can ever see

(01:32:51):
on the TV show. Um. And when people say like
they thought the ending was staged and the finale was staged,
I don't think so, because like we and we met
with you in the studio before the season started. We
asked you, like, what are you hoping from this? Like
what do you want to be known for? And you
were like, I don't want to be known for a
windmill or an inanimate object, like I want to be

(01:33:11):
known for having the best love story. And unfortunately, for
your time on the show itself, that didn't happen. Like, yes,
you fell in love with a couple of girls, you
were engaged, it didn't pan out with either of them,
and I don't think that's anything you expected going into it.
I don't think you could have foreseen any of what
went down. So that's why like watching it, I'm like, dude, like,

(01:33:33):
no offense, but this really sucks, Like all he wanted
was to share his heart and to share this love
story with the world. And so you know, you're making
your own story now away from the TV. We don't
know what's going to necessarily happen with Kelly. But going
back to your time, obviously it didn't pan out as
you thought. But I'm sure we all have regrets going

(01:33:53):
through it at moments. But what was your biggest regret
and biggest takeaway from being the lead. My biggest regret
I think was and it for me, it's so tough
to like kind of admit or be okay with because
like I know the kind of person that I am,
and at the end of the day, I can't change
myself to like be different. But the one thing that

(01:34:16):
kind of sucked the most, I think was me just
being a little bit too empathetic throughout the entire process
and not putting my foot down in certain situations. And
I guess do it. If I could have done it again,
like I had a second chance, I could have tried
a little bit harder. But at the end of the day,
I am who I am, And so it's like it's
a regret, but it's like something I regret that I
would I would continue to keep making because that's just

(01:34:37):
the person I am. And maybe that's this kind of
process wasn't ideal for me being on this side, as
you know, the Bachelor, but that's who I am, and
I can't change who I am. And in regards like
what you said about you know, yeah, I remember saying that,
like I didn't want, I didn't care about any drama
of being remembered for this or that I wanted to
give people because I've been such the hopeless romantic. The

(01:34:58):
romantic like that's where they could live vicariously through and
like inspire them to like never settle and like look
for hopefully what I was going to go fine, But
even though it didn't work out that way, I still
I hope that it can inspire people just kind of
seeing me now and where I'm at. And I've always said, like,
I'm not a hopeless romantic. I don't like the word

(01:35:20):
hopeless because I'm the kind of romantic that never loses
hope that you know what, that didn't work and that
didn't work, and there was so much should I had
to go through with that, But guess what, I'm still
having that mindset that, you know, the next person is
going to be my girl, And if I can still
feel that way after what it has went through, hopefully
that can in a different way inspire people in a
way I didn't think was possibly going to at the
beginning of the season. Ye Peter very well said, so,

(01:35:43):
I have one last question for you, being that this
is kind of like a redemption podcast for you and
a ring right just imbost failed down a lot going
on in this closet, saying that this is a redemption
podcast for you. And we started out at the beginning
asking you about the coronavirus. I want to ask you
this last question. It's interesting you say empathy because I

(01:36:07):
think a lot of people would have labeled that that
you were indecisive. So that's why I think what you
said is very powerful, because it's like, Okay, I actually
can see that, I can see how you were being
very empathetic, but a lot of people have labeled you
as indecisive. A lot of people have had opinions on
you one way or another for various reasons, kind of

(01:36:27):
as if I don't want to use certain words, but
basically is if you don't make your own decisions, and
I'm going outside of even them saying because of your mom,
just a lot of people have had a lot to
say about you that I don't necessarily agree with. Beca
and I have had the chance to get to know
you off of the podcast. You're a great guy. Your
character's outstanding. I mean, like, you send us a voicemail

(01:36:49):
the other day and I turned to Brian, I was like,
you couldn't be mad at Peter if you tried, you
just couldn't. He's just such a good person. But I
feel defensive of you. And I've said this before, is
I feel like people have a lot to say about you.
So I just kind of want to give you the
opportunity and give you the floor like Becca did at
the beginning of this podcast, to just address it. The

(01:37:09):
people who have the stuff to say about you, and
that like you can't make your own decisions and you're indecisive.
What do you have to say about that? Uh? You know,
and yeah, I've heard that. It's ton and listen, I'll
admit to a lot of it. I was indecisive in
regards a lot of situations. But and I'm okay with
that because that, to me was just showing how how
well this did work for me, and it was working

(01:37:31):
for me. You know, I didn't want to fall from
multiple women. I didn't want to have to have these
crazy confusion you know days, these weeks I had to
deal with, but I did. And so you know, I
look the way I look at it, it's like I
wasn't indecisive. That probably be a little bit weird because
maybe it wasn't working as well as maybe maybe it's
the wrong opinion. But that's honestly that that's that's how

(01:37:53):
I look at it, um, you know, in regards to
being like empathetic and like, I know, there's a lot
of relationships why people like didn't understand why I was
like maybe possibly giving that person so many chances or um,
you know, not seeing the red flags right away or whatnot.
And you know, and I'll specifically say, like one with
like Victoria, if I know, I got a lot of
like backlash on that relationship, like me going into this

(01:38:15):
and like I've always been such a proponent for grace
and like in a relationship that's so important also to
be able to give one of the most beautiful gifts
you can give. The definition of grace is like is
unwarranted us undeserved forgiveness and like, so that's how that
was my mindset, And a lot of these relationships that

(01:38:35):
people didn't get why I was doing what I was
doing or whatnot. Like I always trying to practice that
and like, you know, not just preach it, but practice it. Um,
So listen, that's still though, doesn't I made a ton
of mistakes. I fess up to that over and over.
The biggest one and the one that I hurt. My
biggest regret I take back was you know, putting hand
and what I put her through and like that to me,

(01:38:57):
you know, is something that I will forever feel horrible
about because I just care for her so much. But
you know, through all that, I do feel like she's
going to be Madison's going to be all the other
women myself, like we are gonna still forever be grateful
for this experience we share together. And you know, I

(01:39:19):
never for sure we'll ever regret being the Bachelor, that's
for sure. Just the experience I had, the lessons I learned,
I'll take with me for the rest of our lives.
So well, that's great, and luckily Bachelination has a short
term memory. So that's what I hear. But there's no
other show being a film right now? The attention all yeah,
you really are? You really are getting the short end
of the stick here, because yeah, no one, I mean

(01:39:42):
until Listen to Your Heart starts, no one's going to
be able to talk about another show. So Peter, one
last question before we let you get going here. The
entire season, I think it can be said, and Rachel
and I have said this to like what does Peter want?
What do you want? It might have been different going
into the season than it is now, But what ultimately
do you want in a partner? What are you looking

(01:40:03):
for that's really going to fill you at the end
of the day. I want someone that, listen, all, I
still want a lot of the same things I wanted
from the beginning of the show, but someone that you know,
really just gets me for who I am and it
is never going to try to have me change in

(01:40:24):
any way, even if they think it might be a
weakness in me. It's something they appreciate about me. And
you know, someone that I do feel like we can
really challenge each other. And that's not to be negative
or like, oh he needs to have a problem or
an issue or he needs the drama. That's not what
it is. But someone that really just you both challenge
each other really well. And you know, I've had the

(01:40:44):
opportunity to just to see and date a lot of
different personalities in different women obviously in the last two months,
and like, so I see a lot of what I
like and what I don't like now, and so I'm
going to use that for sure moving forward. And you know,
at the end of the day, just someone that just
makes me happy, and um, I can make them happy.
And it's nothing really much more complicated than that. UM,

(01:41:06):
And I know that's that's gonna happen for me. We
know it will, and we'll be watching, We will be
watching and hopefully well, Peter, we loved having you on.
I mean we said it before, but we're always going
to root for your happiness. We're always gonna want you
to find love because, like I said, you have such

(01:41:27):
a big heart and we've seen that and so I
really want you at the end of the day to
hopefully find what you're looking for. Um. You know, we
all go through these crazy ups and downs, especially being
from the show. UM, but it seems like you did
learn a lot and took a lot. So we're always
going to be your biggest supporters here, um, because we can.
Really it's it's a crazy world that you've gotten yourself
into and you're part of it now you're stuck with us, um,

(01:41:50):
but we're happy that we can all be in it together. No,
I love you both so much and I thank you
for everything, just always being there for me, and you know,
the whole whole ways of thank you. Oh, Peter, and
one thing too, I should say, um, my mom was
actually asking for your mom's number because my mom, My
mom struggled a lot while I was gone on the show,
just because she she couldn't really talk to me, you know. Um,

(01:42:13):
so she she wants, she was joking the other day,
she wants to start like a support group of bachelor parents.
So I think she actually reached out to your mom
on Instagram, so hopefully they can chat aside. Um. Yeah,
but when all this quarantine is said and done, we're
all coming over and bringing my mom for some Cuban food. Okay, yeah,

(01:42:34):
I fire it up. No, for sure she's gonna love that.
So I can't wait. Thanks Peter so much for doing this.
Hopefully this is it for you. Now you can live
your life. That's all right, you just do you. Thank
you so much for giving us your time. Thank Kelly,
and tell Dustin what's up to m hugs? All right,
Love you guys, Love to by Peter. You know. It's

(01:42:55):
so I'm really glad we talked to Peter Becca, because
I'll be honest, I was a little indifferent about doing
an interview because I thought, Okay, are we just going
to be rehashing the same things over and over again.
Is this just gonna be? You know, I don't know.
I just didn't think that. I know our listeners wanted it,
but I just wasn't sure how the podcast would go.
And I am so glad we did it. I thought

(01:43:17):
that Peter is a new Peter. Dare I say it?
I think people will be surprised, pleasantly surprised at what
they heard Peter say and where he is and where
he was coming from. And I honestly think he's in
a headspace now to clearly talk about it without being
biased or too emotional from what had happened before. I agree.

(01:43:37):
I think a little time and space and distance always helps,
and even for me. I mean, we were supposed to
speak to him right after the finale, and I personally,
I think in that moment I would have come at
the interview as like a scorned woman because I could
relate with him Anne and I was in that mindset.
And so it's good to now have a little distance

(01:44:00):
from everything that went down. We've seen Peter kind of
move on from his season with Kelly, We've seen the
girls kind of move on, and so I think it
helps to shape the conversation a little bit better. And
as you said, Peter now has some space, he has
some clarity. He can come at this and finally really
say what he wants to say and what he wants
to get off of his chest. So I'm so happy

(01:44:20):
we finally spoke with him. Yeah, plus we got Kelly. Now,
if we had done this interview right after the finale,
we never would have gone Kelly. So thank you for that.
Thank you for Kelly for making a guest appearance on
Bachelor Happy Hours. So glad we finally got you. Yes,
it was a good one, guys, but we have to
start leaving him alone because a new show is coming
up starting this Monday. We have Listened to Your Heart,

(01:44:41):
which we have to look forward to and I cannot wait.
But Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, you can actually get our
first interviews on the show. We have a new podcast
dropping this Friday where you can get our take on
what's to come and listen to your Heart. That's right,
we are the official podcast, which means we are dropping
things first, So you're welcome. For Peter, that is over
and done with, We're entering a new season. Listen to

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your Heart, so excited. April thirteenth, eight seven Central. We've
got two contestants coming up on the show. It's going
to be so good and you're only going to hear
them here on Bachelor Happy Hour. So thank you guys
so much for tuning in. You know, we love diving
into all things Bachelor with you every single week on
Happy Hour. We're hoping that we're providing you some normalcy
during these really trying times right now. We hope that

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you're safe, healthy. We thank you so much for coming
in or tuning in to Bachelor Happy Hour, and another
wild season of The Bachelor is finally in the books.
I cannot wait. And now, listeners, we always love to
hear from you. If you ever have praises or comments
or questions, please send them our way. You can always
email us at happy Hour at Bachelnation dot com. Also

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head to Batchelornation dot com to get the latest and
greatest details about the show and everything that's coming up.
We are, of course the first place to announce everything
coming in the weeks to come.

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