Brooklyn, Mercedes & Aly Tell All

This week on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Becca and Michelle are joined by three amazing guests — Brooklyn, Mercedes, and Aly — to discuss everything that went down at the “Women Tell All.” From Christina Mandrell’s apology to Kylee and Anastasia’s Bahama drama, the ladies don’t hold back as they share their thoughts. Then, Becca and Michelle discuss Zach’s hometown dates, and the group gets excited for our new Bachelorette! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
What's a Bachelor Happy Hour? I'm Becca Kuprin and I'm
Michelle Young, and we are back again this week with
a double episode recap as we get into everything with hometowns,
with the families, and also the women tell All, and
then very shortly we're gonna I feel like we're gonna
do our little own women tell all over here in

(00:22):
a happy hour because we are going to have our girls, Brooklyn,
Mercedes and Alion very shortly. Yes, we're so excited. We
have so much to talk about and so much to
speak to them about their experience at the tell All.
Plus we are getting all of their thoughts on the
insanely exciting announcement of our new bachelorette Charity. Yay, Oh

(00:45):
my gosh, it feels so good to finally be able
to talk about that. And what were your thoughts when
you saw that charity was announced. I feel like we
manifested this. I was like, yes, it worked because those
were like who have been listening will understand that Beck
and I have been like campaigning for charity, I think,

(01:05):
really like putting it out there in the universe for
her to be the next bachelorette. And so I was
like damn right, so deserving, and then I texted her
in two seconds, Yeah, I'm so happy for her, and
we like, if anyone hasn't listened to the episode a
few weeks ago and we had Charity on Happy Hour,
I would tell you to go back, stop listening to

(01:28):
this one right now, come back to this one, but
go back and listen to Charity's episode because she is
just such an incredible, well rounded woman, so deserving and
really like, I think anyone from this season would have
been very deserving to be in that position, but especially Charity.
And also like it's been several years since we've seen
a lead of color. It's about damn time. I'm so

(01:50):
excited for Charity. I feel like she is just going
to bring something totally new to being the lead, and
so I cannot wait. I'm absolutely thrilled for her. I
message her and as like, I'm sending you so much
bored down. You got to pop these bottles before you
start filming, which I think is going to be like
very soon. She has such a quick turnaround, so she
is probably deep in interviews and fittings figuring out all

(02:15):
of her beautiful gown she's gonna wear to all those
rows ceremonies. But yeah, Charity, if you were listening, we're
so thrilled for you and we support you and we
are so excited to see you, hopefully, fingers crossed find
the one during your time as the lead. That's crazy.
They would have picked some good men for her, as
I'm coming after them. They better I know, I know,

(02:39):
and I feel like they've done I mean, they've done
such a good job casting with SAX season. It seems
like we just really great women that we better see
that with the men too. So at the end of
every Happy Hour, we always announced that they're still casting
and you can't apply or nominate someone. So if you know,
if anyone, make sure you do that for our girl, Charity,
nothing but the best for her. So before we, you know,

(03:09):
bring the women on and talk about the tell all
and this big reveal, let's get into hometowns a little bit,
because we did have these back to back episodes. What
were your takeaways from Hometowns? Did you have a favorite
hometown date out of the four women? Hometowns are always
such an interesting episode to watch because you see how

(03:30):
the families are able to kind of just take the
whole premise of the show or not take the premise
of the show, and it's so interesting as a viewer,
but even just as a lead or a contestant. Hometowns
a lot of times are what make or break the relationship,
and especially when it's early in a relationship as far

(03:52):
as timeline goes, you've only been together for a certain
period of time. And I thought it was so interesting
with ariels hometown and her dad and her brother. She
really did kind of prepare Zach with how intense that
could potentially get. What are your thoughts on Ariels. I
think it was brother Dad that asked Zach right off

(04:17):
the bat, how do you actually do actually really know
my sister do Was it brother? I'm pretty sure it
was her brother, because then he was asking like, do
you know when her birthday? Birthday? What's her middle name? Yeah,
And that's always such a hard question because it seems
like it's the little things, which the little things are important,
but when you're in a show like this, you really
do just jump down to the nitty gritty right away.

(04:39):
But what I that didn't really hold as much weight
for me when Zach didn't know those answers, but was
interesting is when then there was a question of why
why should my sister pick you the best for her?
Why are you the best? And you know what I'm
gonna say, And the answer was I have a big
heart and I'm a really good cook. And that's where

(05:02):
I was like, oh, it was just I felt for Well,
it's hard because I was also the first hometown, so
you know, we have to also give him a break.
That was the second one was Gabby first, I can't
even give him the I can't even give him then,
excuse of ket to your first hometown, getting your hometown legs.

(05:23):
But it is intense. It's an intense situation, so you
might not have the best answers. But what was your
thought on Zack's answer of why he would be the
best of it? Well, first of all, I think her
brother did ask very valid questions that, yes, if my
sibling was on this show, I would want to ask
the same things, and so I understand. I just wish

(05:45):
he would have maybe taken a beat and given a
more thoughtful answer in terms of what Ariel's brother was asking.
But you know, I mean, like from a viewer standpoint,
it was uncomfortable to watch. Yeah, it was like That's
why we watched the show at times, right, and so
not every hometown is going to go super smooth like

(06:07):
he did start out on a very high foot. I
would say with Gabby's family, I would say, out of
all four of them, Ariel's family definitely seemed the most difficult,
the most uncomfortable. All the others, for the most part,
seemed like pretty smooth sailing. I would say I would
love to highlight Charity's hometown because she had a bigger hometown.

(06:29):
He not only met like her parents, he met her brother,
some of her friends. A I'm a fan of her brother, yeah,
me and Maiah. I really liked him. I know Charity
is not the bad shurette, but who's to say it
couldn't run in the family. Maybe him for bad scher
one day, I don't know. But I also really liked

(06:51):
her friends, and I feel like one of them asked
a really great question when they were talking to Charity,
and that was, you know, everyone's like, are you falling
for this man? Like what has your experience been? Like?
How fun is this? You know? Like looking back kind
of the bright said, but they asked like, are you
prepared for an outcome? That like, isn't what you hoped for?

(07:11):
And I'm paraphrasing that a little bit, but I thought
that was a really good question to get her mind
to think, like, Okay, I am one of four women,
here's still how am I going to handle this? I've
already dealt with heartbreak in the past, and how will
I handle this outcome that isn't to my liking or
that I am expecting, which obviously we saw her go

(07:31):
home this week, So I think that was a great
question on her friend's part to know that how will
you handle this? And it seems like she has a
really great support system. But yeah, I think like for
the most part, they all seemed pretty easy going. Besides
Ariel's family. You bring up such a good point with
her friend though, just with hometowns. It's hard when families

(07:55):
really and friends really do know you the best they've
been in your life. They kind of know you how
function they've seen you through the heartbreak and like all
these different chials and tribulation, but it's it was so
nice to see this moment where her friend challenged Charity
to think about something without making it this like intense riddle, right,

(08:20):
And it's like this is a situation where you are
one of four. But like sometimes when you're in it,
you kind of can get lost in that, and especially
when you're trying to compartmentalize, you can almost compartmentalize too much,
even as a contestant and go into it blindly of
like of course I'm it, or of course, like you know,

(08:40):
I'm the person and you at the end of the day,
it's like it was a great way, in a respectful way,
to not bring charity back down to ground, but just
like kind of really help encapsulate the whole reality of
the situation that this is something that's very likely that
could happen, and if it happens one like that, they're
there to support. But are you to like also think

(09:06):
about that, not even in a negative way, right, No, one.
I don't think she was coming at it like I'm
thinking of like the week before where there was the
mental listen it like really broke these women down. And
I don't think the questions that they were asking were
to do that. I think it was more so coming
from a place of love, like, look, we've seen you
go through heartbreak and failed relationships, and we saw you

(09:26):
at these low places We're here for you no matter what,
But are you prepared for what that might be knowing
that you are one of four women? Still? So I
really liked that conversation. Who knows, maybe we'll see more
of those of her friends, of those women when she
becomes the lead. I would love that. Okay, there's a
one more thing. Well wait, good time. Do you have

(09:49):
anything else you want to talk about for hometowns? There
is something that I want to ask you because for
those listening, Beca sent me a photo and a video
while she was watching this episode when Zach was having
a conversation with with one of the women, and it
made it really hard to focus on the conversation because

(10:10):
there was other things that we're taking place. Becca, can
you please fill everybody in with what she sent me?
I will, Oh my gosh, this is what This is
what really set me during this episode. So in this moment,
it's during miss Katie's hometown, Zach meets the family. It goes, well,
we're all fallen in love. Yea great feelings. They go

(10:33):
outside to chat. I'm just going to pull the phone
up right now. They go outside to chat, and in
this moment where young Katie is starting to profess her
love and her feelings are falling to Zach. All I
can focus on is one thing, and that is the

(10:54):
food between Zach's front teeth. And I don't know how
no one else caught this. I don't know how producers
or cameramen did not or women did not see this,
But poor Zachie had something. I don't know what he
was eating or do you think it was. I don't know.

(11:14):
It's like green black I maybe a piece of lettuce,
like did we eat sandwiches? I don't even know something.
If you were Katie, would you would you continue professing
your lover or would you pause? I would have told
him right away because there was no missing that, Like
even before she got into what she was trying to
tell him, it was there. It was very apparent. But

(11:36):
in this moment of love filled proclamations, somebody should have
just taken a little quick time out. But hey, love
isn't always pretty, and love isn't always pretty, and that's
how you know she's really fallen in love. People. Okay,
one last thing before we get into bringing our guests on,
and we're going to pivot from hometowns to now women

(11:59):
tell all and we will save most of our questions
for the women that we have on but we've we've
hinted at this in the past. Obviously, Greer had a
hot seat, So let's talk about that for a little bit.
What were your overall thoughts takeaways from that conversation with

(12:19):
somebody coming into this hot seat and speaking on it.
I think the biggest thing for me is I always
want to make sure that people understand that this is
a promise to do better and to continue to educate yourself,
and it educate yourselves and so this is not this
you know, it's going to be really intense right now,

(12:41):
it's going to be really lively. It's going to be
this big push to change and it's big gung ho.
But once the cameras are down, once we're two months out,
are you still going to be finding time to educate yourself?
And so that's the biggest thing. One thing that stood
up to me and that I was I would say
surprised by is when Jesse started crafting the intro for

(13:05):
this conversation for Greer, he acknowledged the fact that the
franchise has dropped the ball in the past and that
they were part of the issue, which I think was
key here. I was surprised, but I'm glad that Jesse
highlighted that that it is part of this franchise and
like we have been part of the problem, whether it's
through casting, for silencing past conversations that should have taken place,

(13:27):
for silencing a whole group of people. So I think
that was a start. Again, like this has to continue
and it can't just be as you said, like a
one and done thing, Like we have to continue to
like learn and grow and like want that. Yeah, not
only for ourselves, but like four things that were part
of like you and I are part of this franchise
for a reason, but like obviously we want it. We

(13:49):
all want to do better and be better and much
more supportive. So I think that was a part of it.
And one thing that Greer did that I would say,
and again, like I wish we could have seen the
whole conversation because I'm sure this hot seat took way
longer than just what we saw. But one of the
things that I think she did differently that we haven't

(14:09):
always seen in the past is like she didn't just apologize,
she like already went back and said like I had
to go back and look like where this stemmed from,
where this came from, and like I took a deep
dive into different things, into the black face, and so
I'm glad that she like actually could start somewhere and
say like, hey, I've started to do this, I'm not
just doing it now, and like moving forward and like

(14:32):
playing into that conversation to him. Really glad that the
show included gene genevis And this doesn't have to do
with career, but when she was addressing I think it
was honest dossia for the microaggressions. I'm glad that that
piece was included as well, because then doctor Banks could

(14:52):
go back and reference that and be like, this was
a good step in the right direction as well. So
I think it's like bits and pieces that were sprinkled
throughout that I think it's a step forward in doing better. Yeah,
I will acknowledge that it definitely is a step forward.
And I can also understand just different communities of color

(15:13):
with being also you know, tired of having to have
this type of content exposed, and speaking about the angry
black woman was something that came out when I was
a contestant and something that I had to dress and
was brought to light quite a bit, and then this
women tell all, we do have conversations about microaggression, and

(15:35):
I think it is a step that we are talking
about these things. I think it's a step that women
are stepping up and calling it out where they see it.
I would love to see the franchise get to the
point where the drama is not racism, it's not race based,
and I think that's what's really important, is the fact
that the meat of this show should not be addressing

(15:59):
things because we should be having still having these issues
and kind of like you said with something that Greer
did with going back to where did this come from?
A lot of times when these events happen, people apologize,
but they don't realize, like you have to uncover your
own implicit bias, you have to cover your own racism,
and where we're not all at the same point. We

(16:19):
all have different experience as we all grow up different.
There's not one person that's like the same. And so
for her to take that on her, for her to
look in the mirror and figure out where she whether
whether whatever it was, it wasn't you know where I
grew up is an excuse of why I'm like this
or where it comes from. It's acknowledging and identifying it,

(16:41):
but not using it as an excuse, using it as
a way to then this is why. Shit, I'm gonna
have a lot more catching up than you know, someone
else standing next to me. But we all have to
start with ourselves, and we're all at very very different
points in this piece. But in order to do a
better job collectively or even as like community as, we
all have to start with ourselves. And so it was.

(17:04):
I think it was a helpful conversation. I hope that
Bachelor Nation is able to receive it and is able
to take a step back because I know that people again,
people watch this show for drama and because it's juicy
and something to gossip about. And yes, there's a love story.
We want a love story to come out of this,

(17:25):
but it's typically not this intense. It's not supposed to
be these intense racist scandals, and we don't want them
to be like that. Yeah, we don't want to be
having these conversations, believe me, Like I would prefer to
not have to have all these conversations, close conversations, behind
your conversations, behind closed doors, like these are exhausting, Like
this has been exhausting to even get to the point

(17:45):
to really push for these conversations to be had. But
I hope Bachelor Nation can take a step back and
realize why we are why it is important for this
to be spoken about when these mistakes keep continue doing
to be made. Yes, yeah, hopefully by having these conversations consistently,
repeatedly and again taking a deep dive into ourselves, hopefully

(18:08):
just lessons that we'll see where it goes from here
on out. But but yeah, I'm to start. It's a start, yep. So,
and I'm glad that it was included and not just
cut out, because there's a lot of other stuff that
they could have included in the tell all that I'm
sure didn't make it. So I'm glad that, Yeah, it
was very important to a lot of people to have that. So,
and I just I hope it's I just hope it's consistent,

(18:30):
you know, because we've kind of been here with Emanuelacho
right where we had this big thing, and I just
I want it to be consistent. I don't want to
consistently have these conversations because I would just love for
this to not happen so that groups people are not
getting hurt like this, right, But like I hope that
we're responding appropriately if these things were to arise again,
which I hope we're able to take the steps so

(18:53):
that they don't. But yes, well with that, I mean
there's so much still like that, howpen with the towel
all that we'll get into. And I think it's just
time to bring on the women themselves again. We're going
to have Brooklyn, Mercedes and Ali here who were all
part of that twel all and can give us a
much more in depth look at what actually went down.

(19:14):
Let's do it. Let's bring them on. Welcome to Happy
Hour everyone. I feel like this is the most face
that the screen has ever seen with all of all
five of us about the squad. How's everyone feeling. I'm

(19:36):
feeling good to be back, can't wait to dive in. Yeah,
welcome back. And we got Alie Mercedes who are newbies
to Happy Hour. I think Alie you did click clickbit correct?
I did? I did? Okay, Okay, so you're not I did.
You're a professional. But but first time with us? And Mercedes,

(19:56):
what about you? Have you done any podcast before? Yeah?
I did click a couple of weeks ago. Oh you did? Okay, Okay, yeah,
so we're all well rounded here. This is not the
first time for anyone. Okay, I love it. It has
been a crazy, intense week in the boucher. We obviously
watched Hometowns. We saw the women. Tell all, So, Brooklyn,
we'll start with you and then we'll go to Ali
and the Mercedes. How is it now? Being done with

(20:20):
all of the craziness stud is to tell all? Um? Yeah,
so being done with tell all. You know, we aired
all our dirty laundry. We got that out of the way.
You know, we were able to find the closure we needed,
whether that was with Zach or with the girls and
kind of move past that. It was a great group
of girls. And you know, despite having drama, like I
feel like we've all been able to say our peace

(20:42):
and move past it. So like there's no hard feelings
with any of the girls. And I feel like the girls,
as far as Zach goes, have been able to you know,
find their closure and move on to whatever's next for them.
M maybe a little paradise action. We'll see. We'll see. Alie.
What about you? Yeah, So, as you saw in the
Tell All, all of us are super closed. The longer

(21:04):
we stayed, we just bonded more and it just you know,
makes for some really tight relationships and bonds, so we
don't play about each other. Because what wasn't like for
you now? I mean obviously living in the Tell all
the long day that that is and then being able
to watch it back and kind of be done with

(21:24):
that chapter of your life. Yeah, for sure, it was
definitely intense, like leading up to it because you don't
know what's going to happen, You don't know you know
what people are gonna say. But I think at the
end of the day, it went over really well, and
like Brooklyn said, we got our dirty laundry out, and
now that it's over, like we can make our relationships
public and like actually be friends like outside of just

(21:45):
like our little chats. So I'm really excited about that
and I'm really excited to see what everyone's futures hold. Yeah,
did any of you go into The Women Tell All
with any specific things that you want to address air out?
Just because when you leave, you're and you're watching it back.
You're watching it back real time with all of us,
with the entire Bachelor Nation, and a lot of times

(22:08):
you're seeing different things that other people may have said,
other feelings might have come up, you haven't been able
to start sort those things out. So what were like
some of the specific things that you really were focused
on or kind of were like floating around in your
head as you were approaching women till all, Brooklyn, do
you want to start? Yeah, So as far as like
you know, going in to tell all what I needed

(22:31):
to address or what I wanted closure on, I feel
like I pretty much left it all on the field
as far as you know, the show went. I did
kind of want to see I was interested to see,
you know, Zach's perspective of our breakup and stuff and
you know what he thought, because yeah, we talked, but
I didn't really see what he had to say about
me and the itms and all that. But as far

(22:54):
as like any drama or any like thing like that,
I feel like I said what I said, and there
it was. I didn't really have anything I wanted to
address specifically as far as the drama, but I was
interested to see what Zach had to say in his ITMS. Right, Alie,
what about for you anything that you really wanted to
cover with any of the women there with Zach not really.

(23:17):
I feel like the show actually purchased pretty accurately who
I am as an individual. I'm just always there, just
be boffin, you know, and so really didn't get any drama.
I don't really get into drama in real life. It
was nice though, to see girls get that closure and
be able to like voice their stand put on certain situations,

(23:42):
and so it was really nice. It was especially nice
for me to watch Kylie and Stas had that opportunity
to talk. Both of them I was really really close with,
So for me, it was definitely a sticky situation where
I always took a step back, didn't want to over
engage in either girls just because they are both my friends.
So it was nice to see them both be able
to say their peace, say what they needed to say

(24:02):
so that we can all move on as a collective.
We're saying would about for you? Yeah, So, like Alie,
I wasn't really involved in much drama. But Kylie is
like my ride or dad, that's my girl. So going
in to tell all I told her, I'm like, hey,
like I got your back, Like if you ever need
me to, like step up like I will, because you're

(24:23):
my girl, I got you. But she handled herself so well,
and I'm so proud of how she just her aunt staus.
Like Ali said, I mean, I'm friends with both of them,
so it was really nice seeing them be able to
talk to each other and figure everything out. But that
was really all I planned on speaking on, and I
didn't have to because Kylie did such a good job
of myself. So there's obviously, I'm sure a lot that

(24:47):
went down that day that we just didn't have the
opportunity to see given timing. So since you three were
actually there, did it seem more calm or more crazy
than you expected? So this the two part questions did
it seem more calm or more crazy than what you
expected the day to be? And then was there anyone

(25:07):
in that group of women who really surprised you or
stood out to you? Because I will say there were
a couple of women that went home night one that
were very vocal throughout parts and I was like, wait,
who are you? Like, how how are you speaking on
this if you weren't there? So I want your take
since you were all there, Mercedes, let's start with you
on that one. Yeah, some people definitely showed up and

(25:29):
showed out. Um took me for a loose a little bit.
There was a night night one that I was just
kind of like, whoa, you know, like where I mean,
everyone deserves to have an opinion, obviously, and I respect
that so much, but it was kind of like whoa.
But yeah, I think she just wanted to put her
opinion out there because she didn't have much time to

(25:50):
do that, so she got to do it till one
and she went for it. So didn't Did the days
seem overall seem more calm or was it more wild
than you expected? Honestly both a little bit. Like I
feel like the drama that we saw on the show

(26:10):
was very like everyone was very mature about it and
they actually like talked it through like adults. Um. And
then you know, there was some random things that nobody
knew about that it was like from left field. You
were just like what, like when, how did you know that?
Or what like? So that was just confutence. That was
a little crazy, But I would say for the most part,
it was pretty conqul collected. That's I was gonna say.

(26:33):
It was definitely more feissy than I expected. Watching it,
just because so much of the drama weather was. I'm
sure there was always drama in the house that was
not you know, being spoken about or anything like that,
but like it very much. So like let's get into
specific moments, okay, because we all know we're gonna bring
this person up, Christina. I'm gonna throw Christina. How was

(26:56):
it like seeing Christina again and just with what happened
while she was on the show in the house and
traveling with you guys, what has happened. I know that
we all can't necessarily communicate and talk once you get
let go up into a Woman Tell It All, but
everybody's on social media and everybody can kind of like

(27:18):
see what everybody else is doing. And there's just been
a lot that has been going on, and then there
was a lot that happened at Woman Tell All. So
what were your guys's thoughts on seeing her again? Seeing
Christina again at tell All? You know, I knew that
the drama was going to come up. I actually, like
I haven't really seen anything like on social media, like

(27:38):
directly from her, but I mean she does have quite
the following, like a lot of people really support her,
which is great. Everyone needs and deserve support in this world.
But seeing her again a tell all. I was like, oh, Lord,
who would go? Like I wonder if she like kind
of recognized what happened, especially being able to watch it back,

(27:59):
and like maybe kind of where she went wrong or
how her actions were affecting others. So I was interested
to see how that was going to go. I was
a little nervous, honestly, because she does do a pretty
good job of she knows exactly what to say and
how to say it, but I don't feel like her
actions actually portray that. So I was interested to see

(28:23):
did we have a learning moment from this opportunity watching
it back? Or are we still blown smoke? And I
feel like we're still blown smoke. But I wanted to
ask you that because for the most part, I think
that's what people were expecting to be. Like. Probably one
of the most dramatic moments was everyone's interaction and confrontation
with Christina. It seemed fairly tame from a viewer standpoint,

(28:45):
But she did as you said, Brooklyn. It seemed like
she was saying the right things, like she took accountability.
She knows that she screwed up where she went wrong
and left it at that, But did it feel genuine?
Because again, you were there, all three of you. You
were there with her in person, so I wanted to know,
as you said, does it feel like smoke's being blown
up the ass or did it feel actually real? And

(29:07):
I want all three of you to answer that, Yeah,
I mean in the moment, it seemed genuine. However, you know,
I don't know if she'll ever really have an opportunity
to be back in that situation, and I haven't spoke
to her sins or seen her or anything, so I
don't know because I'm not really monitoring her actions. I
guess you could say, but the way she spoke did

(29:30):
seem genuine. Spot it tells me this girl's going to
be on the sand. Okay, there's no way that she's
not going to be on the sand, and this girl
is going to be Alie. How did you feel about
her response? And I don't even know if i'd call
it like an apology per se, but just her response
to everyone when they brought up to issues. I do

(29:51):
think her response was genuine. However, I think she's oblivious
to how her actions affected others, and so I think
she genuinely meant everything she said, but it's still negated
the fact that you did say things that were harmful
and you never took time to take yourself out of
your headspace and understand how those things affected other people.

(30:15):
And while I also do not follow for the most part,
any of them, I think in the beginning, we all
like look up bachelor stuff, and then after a week
you're like, OK, this is way too much. Stuff didn't
pop up and go viral where she was talking about,
you know, Brianna, And for me, that was again doubling
down on While I think her intentions were to be goofy, silly, funny,

(30:38):
you're still negating the fact that that is harmful to Brianna.
And so from that standpoint, lover her, respect her, glad
that we can move forward. But I still think there
are their actions that need to be taken so that
she fully understands, like the power that she holds and
the repercussions that she holds in the following that she has.
I mean, she is hilarious and she is funny, so

(30:59):
people jump on that bandwagon, and Brianna does get mean
messages and does get things that because everyone doesn't understand
the full story. And so I feel like that's the
part that hurt me at tell All is listening to
all this back and being a friend of Brianna's and
knowing that she wasn't here to defend herself and she
isn't here to say the things that she needs to say,
and so all people get to hear is Christina's apology. Yeah,

(31:23):
and that it's just half of the story. So I
hope that people take away from that, take a step back,
and still see that there's another human being that was
a part of this, who is getting the rougher or
the shorter end of the stick and all this. So
I don't know, Well, what were your thoughts on Brianna
not being there? You know, I I don't know why

(31:45):
she was or was not mean, I don't know why
she wasn't there. I have no idea what went into
that decision or or if she was invited or if
she wasn't invited. So I don't know that, but I
was happy if she made the decision to not come.
I think it takes a lot with all of this
to put your mental health first and to put yourself first.
It is much easier to say well, I'm just gonna
go there and I'm gonna defend myself and I'm gonna

(32:06):
do this. But if that's gonna mess you up more,
then like, do take a step back. Let people say
what they want to say, do you. And So, while
I don't know the reasoning for why she wasn't there,
I hope that she was able to just take a
breather because this has been a fun roller coaster, but
none of us expected half of the things we got,

(32:27):
and I think she had a lot of attention on
her that she was not prepared for. So I just
hope that it was a breather that she got to
have and I respected if she needed that moment. Yeah, yeah,
it's you. I mean, you have to handle it with care,
and like that's the hard thing is that repercussions and

(32:48):
consequences oftentimes, like when you talk about what a genuine
apology looks like, and sometimes it's hard when you have
to sit and wait for an audience to see it
call it out, for you to really feel that pressure.
Now the kitchen is really hot and now you want
to apologize. It's like it is this interesting environment where

(33:12):
you can say whatever you want to say. And you
can have the girl, you know, girls or other contestants
that around you say something that might create issues and
there's cameras there, but like the actual public repercussions don't
come out until months later. And that's often when the
apologies come out, when I would love for them to

(33:32):
naturally come out before them, and it just sometimes takes
it away. But then also you can see people who
sometimes that takes that is what it takes for them
to understand that they really did something wrong. Well, okay,
let's ask this then. Was there ever a moment that
and maybe the three of you don't know because maybe
it didn't happen to you directly, But as far as

(33:54):
you're aware, did Christina ever reach out and apologize for
her actions, maybe directly to Brial or to any of you,
you know, for the issues that she caused when she
was like really making everything about herself. Was there any
apology prior to the tell All? Not that I'm aware of.
I mean, she doesn't have to apologect to me obviously,

(34:14):
but like not that I'm aware of. Um. I think
she said that it tell All that she because I
had asked her, I said, you know, did you reach
out to Brihanna and talk about this, and she said no,
And I was like, what you're making tiktoks about her?
Oh the TikTok with the face on it at the end.
That rubs me. That rubs me. Brooklyn's gonna get all

(34:34):
fired up again. I don't know, Peace Brooklyn, protect your piece?
YEA recorded that shit. I don't know that. The only
way you can protect your piece is to stay off
social in general. True, there's just there's no way. Okay,
let's switch gears a little bit from we had this

(34:55):
whole thing with Christina going on. Sounds like it's still
going on. I get something tells me that it's going
to be coming back up, floating around somewhere warm. We'll see.
But what is this? What is this whole bombshell that
was dropped about Anastasia having a boyfriend? Well, she's on
the show. Can you all speak more to that? Like?

(35:18):
Did she was this? This was not the first time
you guys were hearing about this? Was it? It's the
first time I had never heard that, So like, yeah,
tell me more, like this is news? Um, yeah, I
truly have no idea what it was. I don't know
if you girls have any more idea than I do. Um,

(35:38):
I have no clue. It was news to me. Yeah,
well when she when she said that, I was just like, what, oh, yeah,
any of your reactions were in that moment, like if
you could have just screenshot at everyone's face, literally, it
seems like it can. This is just me. I don't
know shit. And again, like I don't know a lot.
I'm such a mom, Like I don't follow like a

(35:59):
lot of stuff on social media. But it seemed like
that was kind of just pulled out of thin air
on a left field from some of the other women
that I think we're just maybe like trying to have
a moment of like, well you had a boyfriend, but
it wasn't actually factual, backed up, no evidence to this. Yeah,
and then it was that and I was purely annoyed

(36:20):
from the just screaming words that made no sense. I
have receipts. I pulled them out. Where are they like
just screaming that you have them but not actually backing
them up, And then back to you do realize this
affects people's actual lives, right, Like, this is not the
time to just throw out complete lives, And so I
don't know, but I know Stas's character and I know

(36:42):
who she is as a person, and she's not the
one to hide it. She'd be the one to be like, yeah,
I got two boyfriends, what's good. And so it was
just annoying because I'm just like, while I can't confirm
or deny any of this, if you were actually here
and met her as a person, then you would know,
like who she is and how she shows up, and
that's just not how she shows up. I could say

(37:03):
many things about her, but lying about the people she
talks to just isn't something. And so if it ever
did come out to be true, I would still be shocked,
like jaw on the floor, because that's just not who
she is. And then that couple with the fact that
we live in this roster culture. I'm just like, so,
you're telling me you never talked leading up to this

(37:23):
show to one boy, kissed one boy, communicate it with
one boy, like, hand me your phone, Like it's just
not true, Like it would be a live we all
said for the months leading up, we just deleted every
boy in our phone and never desired for someone to
like us. That's silly and so um boyfriend no boyfriend, flirting,
no flirting. I'm just like, let's be adults here. You

(37:45):
can talk to who you want to talk to. She
was exclusively with Zach from our understanding when she was
on the show, So like, what does it matter? Like,
I don't know, so nobody saw the receipts? No, I
want to there was that what does that mean mean?
Is it like texts? Is it like pictures? Is it

(38:06):
text messages? Thread what is it? It sounded like it
was text between the guy that was like watching her dog,
but but she was like, no, my mom was watching
my dog. That's why. That's where it just gets muddled.
And like very much she said, she said, um, since
we're just speaking of an Assassia really quick. Did it
feel like there was any sort of resolution between her

(38:27):
and Kylie? Did they get to a place of understanding
or did they just kind of like leave it is
as is, like, you know, we're not going to be friends,
but like it's in the past now. What was that
like for them? I feel like personally there was an understanding.
I think that Kylie spoke very beautifully and said like
exactly how she was feeling, and I think Stoss really
took that and understands it. Stoss is a very like

(38:50):
intelligent woman, and she knows that. You know, that was
probably your emotions are crazy there right, like you do
shit and then you're like okay, looking back, like whatever,
probably was that serious. But I feel like Stoss really
took it well, and I think she most likely grew
from it because that's the type of person she is.

(39:14):
We're gonna pivot to a little bit different of dramatic
moments that went down, and Brooklyn, this one's for you.
I know you kind of touched on this a little
bit at the beginning, Like you went in you weren't
really nervous or have anything specifically to say to anyone.
What was it like seeing Cat again for the first
time since you both went home in Where was it Estonia? Yeah,

(39:39):
when you both went home in Budapest? Yeah, Um, you know,
seeing Kat. I knew that, like we were gonna have
to kind of rehash that. I'm very much a person
where like I've already said it, so like I don't
really have much else to say it about it, But
of course I knew we were gonna have to kind
of rehash that. Um, you know, I know, my delivery
was kind of harsh. I'm fully aware of that. That's

(40:01):
just kind of how I am. But seeing her, I
knew it was going to come up, and I feel
like we both kind of stood strong on where we
stand on that. So it was a little nerve wracking
because I was like, it's probably gonna get heated again,
Like it's not gonna be a peaceful chat. So I
was nervous just because you know, I don't want to

(40:24):
be mean or hurt feelings, but I'm gonna stand strong
on what I said and how I feel. Do you
feel like you ended on the same page for the
most part? Yeah? I do. Um, Yeah, I feel like
we ended on the same page. We're totally fine now.
You know. We were able to talk about it and
hash it out. Might have been a harsher hash out

(40:46):
than most, but at the end of the day, we
were able to see eye to eye, and I have
nothing but good things to say about her, Like I
respect her as a person and I think she's great.
So we're definitely on the same page now and totally cool.
M Okay, this is going to be kind of a
random question, and I'm only asking this because one of

(41:08):
my friends at the gym actually asked me this question.
I was like, hmm, that is a good thing that
maybe I could just ask all of you since we
have more of you here. Okay, So in the scenario
with Kat pulling Zach right before Charity's date, like we
saw that go down, you know, it rubbed everyone the
wrong way, would you have preferred it to happen in

(41:31):
that moment or say before, like right as the row
of ceremonies going on, when you're all standing there waiting.
It's a long night, and she still chose to interrupt
everyone's row ceremony and pull Zack aside in that moment.
Because that happened on our season where I was a
contestant and people obviously were freaking out. So like, give
and take, what scenario would you have preferred? This is

(41:54):
fortunately I kind of Rose ceremony, you know, like we
all got our chance, we all had our time. It
was something huge weighing on her, But before Charity's date,
that was Charity's time, like the second he walked through
the door her date started. So I would have probably
still been kind of annoyed had she done that at
the Rose ceremony, but I would have assumed it was

(42:14):
something big she had to discuss with him, So I
would have been a lot more understanding with that, I
still stand not before the one on one. Yeah, what
about you, Mercedes an Alley, I would say definitely would
have much preferred it before the rose ceremony. Honestly, both
would have annoyed me for two different reasons, like rose
ceremonies are long, your feet are hurting, and I just

(42:34):
don't want to stand there. No right. But I feel
like it comes down to before Charity's date, was taking
Charity's moment Before the rose ceremony, it's it's it's really
an all or nothing at that point. And so if
those two seconds are going to be a make or
break for you, I say, go get your man and
take those two seconds. But doing it before Charity's date

(42:55):
was I mean, unanimously, we were like, that's stealing Charity's
momentum and it just it was just not okay. So
before the rose ceremony would have been much more appreciated. Okay, Mercedes,
thought about you? Um, I would say before the rose ceremony,
because like Brooklyn said, it's um everyone's time kind of

(43:16):
Whereas Charity, especially in that situation, because she was supposed
to get her one on one in London, so it
was like all leading up to it, and she was
so excited, and it's kind of just like, oh, like
I got my moment taken from me again, you know.
So I definitely if that would have been me, I
would have much rather done that. C. Yeah, I agree,

(43:36):
It's it's different when it's one person more snuff that
she was singled out, but singled out in a sense
versus kind of all of you up against the time,
all together in solidarity. Um, definitely. I was just really interesting.
I've been I've been thinking about that for a couple
of weeks since it happened, and so I'm glad that
I could finally just ask the majority of people here.

(43:57):
There are so many just read like this season, I think,
like the whole like read the Room comments could apply
in so many situations, like just if we just were
to read the room, so many things wouldn't have happened,
but just every day in life. All right, let's get
into more of the Tell all, what did you all

(44:18):
think of Greer's hot seat? M Michelle and I touched
about on this a little bit before you were all
brought on it was we I think we're glad to
see that conversation. We think that it's a step in
the right direction. How did you all feel about her
apology and was there anything that she said or doctor

(44:40):
Banks or what doctor Banks said that stuck out to
you or lessons that you think people could take from it. Um, merceadies,
let's start with you this time. Yeah. Like you said,
I'm very happy that you know it is being discussed
because that is a step in the right direction, because
it's it's twenty twenty three, like we do need to
have those discussions. But I feel like her apology was

(45:03):
it was good. I mean, there's for for what it was.
I think that she handled herself very well. Um. I
appreciated them having um what was the doctor's name again,
doctor doctor ban Yeah. I thought having her there was
very cool too, because she was like from a professional
standpoint and could actually explain everything that was going on. Um.

(45:25):
But yeah, I thought I thought it was it was good,
and I'm glad that it was just talked about. M Eli.
What about for you? I think for me, I definitely
agree with that what Mercedes said, it's it's a weird
social experience. This is because the Greer we met was
not the Greer I thought I was going to have
to confront post show when you get to read through

(45:46):
all these things, she, in my opinion, throughout the show,
never showed signs of that she would have ever had
commented on things like that. So it was very strange
to then have to have those conversations like you did
what independed what? But I think that it was good.
I think it's a step in the right direction. I
genuinely think that she understands what she did. I also

(46:12):
think that she understands that she was in a situation
or around people who may not have been influencing the
right ideals, and so now she can make a decision
for herself and understand all resources that are available to
her and what her opinion are on things. And so
I have nothing but good things to say about Greer
of the person, and I just hope that she continues
to take the lessons that she had from doctor Bates

(46:34):
and really like put it into motion and how she
can live her life, because that's not who she was
on the show. So it was very weird to come
back and read that because I'm like Greer, that's not
who you are. Why would you have even defended or
said things like that. I'm glad we now have the
opportunity to hold you accountable, but then also moving forward,
you can hold others accountable too, because she got backlash

(46:55):
from both sides, people saying why are you apologizing? Like
you shouldn't be apologizing, and others saying no, she definitely
needs to, it's wrong, and so I'm glad she can
go back to people who questioned why she apologize and
also double down to them and be an advocate to say, no,
this is why what I did was wrong, and I
stand behind that, and we could all move forward together.

(47:18):
That's a very good point. And Brooklyn, what about for you? Yeah,
I'm basically what they said too. I'm glad to see
that she was able to be accountable for her previous actions.
And I really liked that she was able to sit
down and take the time to see why she was
wrong and how she can, you know, not make mistakes

(47:40):
like that and kind of influence others to see the
issue that it truly is. I really liked them having
doctor Banks there to kind of shed some light on
the situation. Like Mercedes said, from a professional aspect, but
you know, also, like Ali said, that's not the greer
we met, So it was you know, hearing about all

(48:00):
of that and being like, oh what, then seeing her
take accountability and apologize. I definitely agree as a step
in the right direction. And although it's unfortunate that it
ever happened, it's kind of on such a big platform,
you're able to shed light on the situation and move
in the right direction and show others. So, you know,

(48:22):
as unfortunate as it is that happened, I'm glad that
it happened on a big platform so that you can
shed light on the situation. Yeah, and we've talked about
this to the fact that even Jessie at the beginning
of that whole conversation to kind of narrate it, kind
of said, we as a whole, as a franchise, have
been in the wrong and have you know, not necessarily

(48:45):
dealt with this issue or had the conversations that we've
needed to have in the past. And that's on us,
which we appreciate. You know, it's not just like a
one and done person situation unfortunately, So again, like step
in the right direction for the franchise too. As a
whole and Michelle, do you have any final thoughts on
that part or do you want to get into Yeah,

(49:06):
it was just how are you? What were you guys
as thoughts of just having to I mean, I've been
in a contestant position. Now I've been in a lead
position and having to take time out of these moments,
whether it's women to all, whether it's after the final rows,
to like address these types of things. And you know,
we had the situation with career, but we also had

(49:28):
these conversations about microaggressions and being an angry black woman,
and those are all different things that I also had
to have conversations about two when I was filming, And
how did you feel not only addressing those or that
you're able to address those, but also how did you
feel that people were responding to those conversations. Whoever wants

(49:49):
to jump in first, I think that it showed we've
come far ish, but we still have so much further
to go. And these conversations, I think, the conversations around
even microaggressions having too and this goes for everyone, not
just the two people who are involved in that particular situation.
Having to then define what a microaggression is and then

(50:12):
further explain how it doesn't make you a bad person.
I mean, it just means you made a microaggression and
you need to understand why it affects certain people are
certain and so it's just it's for me personally, it's
exhausting because I don't want to have to define it
and I don't want to have to explain it, and
I don't want to have to I don't know, just

(50:33):
have those conversations and stuff. But at the same time,
it's so fruitful because we are friends and we have bonded,
and I know that you're going to likely receive that
information from me better than you're going to receive it
from someone else. So I think it puts like, at
least for myself, myself in a weird situation where I
have to step out of my comfort zone. And while
I don't want to have these conversations or even given

(50:54):
any airtime, I have to also acknowledge my part in
this to say, if I don't, then you continue to
perpetuate something um and as a friend, I don't want
you to do that, And so m exhausting, but I
feel like it. I mean, I'm glad it's shone, and
I'm glad we can show people that, um, we're going
to continue to move in that direction. Um, you know
as a collective nicely put. Yeah, that's kind of what

(51:19):
That's what Beck and I spoke about as well of
just it. Yeah, you want it, you want to. I'm
not I'm not going to say the word to celebrate
because I'm not gonna say, you know, we're taking us
of the red direction or anything like that. But like
you said, it does get exhausting. And even as like
a woman of color, black women, you also have the

(51:40):
right to choose when to tap in and tap out
of those conversations. And that's what I firmly believe, and
I applaud you for wanting to tap in and definitely
explaining those things and speaking up. And you know, there's
also times where you have to protect your peace because
it's frustrating to constantly have to explain what implicitvice is,
what microaggressions are, you know, continue to go down that road.

(52:01):
But yeah, I agree, it is exhausting because it's kind
of just like, why is this a conversation? Like I
wish it was just like everyone just got it, because
it seems like so easy, like just don't do it.
But I am like very grateful that, you know, we
do have this platform and some people watching tell all,

(52:22):
maybe they didn't even know what microaggressioning was, so now
they're like aware of it and can learn from it
and grow from it. But it is, it's frustrating, and
like you said, sometimes you have to protect your peace
and just be like Okay, I can't deal with that
right now, but but I'm glad that it's being talked
about and hopefully people are learning and we'll get it

(52:45):
right hopefully, so yeah, rather than later, because well, and
I think doctor Banks she had a good part in
there towards the end when she was wrapping up where
she's like you can't I think it was you can't
nice your way out of racism, like and I think collectively,
like me being a white woman growing up in a
predominantly white community, there's a lot that we weren't even

(53:11):
i would say, like aware of growing up, which and
that's not an excuse, like that's why like now I'm
trying to push myself forward and learn and educate, and
we do this resource section every week on the podcast,
but I think that's been an excuse in the past,
especially within this franchise, which is predominantly the viewership is white,

(53:31):
and you know, it's like, oh, well, the intent wasn't
to hurt someone, or I was being nice or whatever
it might be. And I think that was a good
one liner that I took from that too, is like
we can all keep this in mind, especially as a
white woman watching this show. You can't nice your way
out of this huge, huge issue that continually takes place

(53:52):
and can still be perpetuated within this industry, within our country.
So yeah, I'm glad that doctor Banks was able to
be there. So with all that, let's get into the
part where Zach comes out. Totally flipping sides. Here, Zach
comes out on stage. What were all of your first

(54:14):
thoughts seeing him again, Brooklyn. We'll start with you. I
was like, oh, well, he's still good looking, good to know,
but you know, it was kind of like, I don't know,
I wouldn't say sad to see him, but I was
kind of like, oh wow, Like last time I saw you,
I was bawling my eyes out going getting on a
twenty hour flight, Like it was just kind of brought

(54:37):
me back to that moment, you know, of when things ended,
but it was nice to see him again. He looks happy,
he looks healthy, so it was nice to see him,
but also just kind of a shock to the system
at first. Brooklyn, I have one more question for you.
Did you feel like before you had seen him, did
you reach some type of like internal closure. Oh? Absolutely, yeah.

(54:59):
I I feel like I kind of I'm not big
on I'm not really a closure person because I feel
like everything happens for a reason in a sense, so
I'm not really I didn't feel like I needed to
hear from him the nitty gritty like why. So I
feel like when I left, I was like, Okay, this
isn't my person. It doesn't make it hurt any less.
But I feel like I was able to reach that

(55:19):
closure really soon. Um didn't make it hurt any less,
but MS closure, Yeah, yeah, that's yeah. Independent closure. That's
like one of the hardest things to do. So that's amazing.
Not always, don't you know, Yeah, I always do it,
But yeah, Alie, I was agreeing with the independent closure part.

(55:43):
I think by the time Z came out, I was good,
mainly because watching it back, I'm not gonna say there
was ever any point where I was just like, oh
my gosh, I'm in love with this man, but like
I feel like you're content, You're like hopeful the entire time,
like maybe like let's just keep this going, see how
this goes. Watching it back and seeing him like put
his arms around my shoulders and then his arms around

(56:03):
other people's waist, I was like, Oh, I was friends
Zop a long time ago and I just didn't know.
And it's like I feel like I could see the
body language watching it back the entire time, and maybe
just in our heads we were both like, oh, we're
like good people. Like we're good people, Like we'll just
we'll continue to like have discussions and talk. So I
feel like watching it for me was therapeutic because I

(56:26):
was like, this guy was never yours. Your man is
not gonna wrap his arm around your neck. He's gonna
wrap it around you know you're lower back. Yeah. So
I was one of the girls like I sent home
over video calls, So that was that was rough. So
seeing him in person, I was like, wow, yeah, still
very good looking, um, but it was good to see him.

(56:49):
I'm kind of the same way Ali like watching it back,
I was like, damn, yeah, no, we were cool, but
like there was no it wasn't like in love so um,
but it was. It was good to see him and
see all the girls too. It was good. It was fun.
And your hug. I was gonna say, you got your hug.
I was gonna say, no, I know, that was so cute.

(57:11):
I was like, because I was talking to kind of,
I'm like, I feel like we need like hug at least.
You know, everyone gets hug when you lead, right, So
that was like such a cute, little sweet moment. And
it was fun because he's just like truly, I know
everyone says it, but he is so freaking genuine and
sweet and like just like getting able to hug him
more time. It was just a really sweet moment. Um. Okay,

(57:33):
let's get into something very exciting, which is obviously Charity
is now the next bachelorette. We are so thrilled for her.
How freaking excited are all of you to see one
of your good friends now become this lead who was
about to go on this crazy journey to find love. Allie,
let's start with you. So freaking exciting. I think that

(57:56):
we definitely have seen her personality. We'll see her personality.
I'm sure more um when hometowns and stuff, but charity
and her charity isms, y'all know, y'all have not seen
half of it. Like, this girl is a hoop, a
fool hoop. So I'm so excited for her to have
an entire season where people get to like, yes, watch
her fall in love, but like see her fully for

(58:18):
who she is, because I mean, not only is she
intelligent and brilliant, but she is hilarious and there's no
other girl like her in our cast. Um, So I'm
super excited for people to just get to know her
as a person. M Oh yeah, I mean charity. Like
Ali said, she is literally a hoop. Like that girl,

(58:41):
I get around her and I won't stop smiling, Like
she's just so funny, she is intelligent, she's a therapist,
so like she's gonna be able to connect with people
and talk people through like feelings and go through her.
It'll be such a good season because of that, I
think as well. And then on top of her personality
is just amazing, and I know that America is actually

(59:02):
going to fall in love with her too, So I'm
so excited for her, and she deserves the world and
I can't wait to fun or watch her find her person. Okay, Brooklyn,
I'm gonna pivot this question and ask you if if
there is somebody that you could not like looks wise,
but like the perfect partner for Charity, give me three

(59:22):
qualities that this man has to have for our girl. Okay.
He has to be emotionally intelligent, Like I mean, she
can hold a conversation at such a high emotional level
and intelligence level that she's got to be with someone
that is emotionally intelligent and can have those conversations with her.

(59:43):
She definitely needs someone I feel like that's quick witted,
because she was really funny and just like quick on
the draw, and she's going to say something that you're like, Okay,
all right, So she needs someone with a good personality,
quick witted, emotionally intelligent, and someone with just as big
of a loving heart as she has. You know, she's
a very loyal person. She needs someone that's going to

(01:00:04):
be just as loyal to her as she will be
to them. I love that, love that nothing. But if
you were to pick out what like Charity's type would be,
what would you say? I would say he's definitely tall.
I feel like he works out, he's got the muscles,
got the body. Um, let's see, Yeah, there's someone tall

(01:00:28):
and muscular, because I mean she's a tiny, petite girl.
But I feel like she needs someone that's really tall
and strong. Um, that's just who I see it with.
Because and someone that's like good looking, because I mean
she's gorgeous. So someone's gonna have to be up on
her level too. Oh yeah, um, Okay, So we know

(01:00:51):
she has so many great qualities. What do you think
are some of her most amazing ones that will make
her just a fabulous stand up about Charrette? I definitely
think her decide sickness is something that will be very
helpful on this. I mean everyone has seen the commercial
with the line that separates a boy from man, and
that is that's her to a t. And so she's
gonna need a man to come up, show up, and

(01:01:12):
show out. So she's gonna read through the BS. Yes, yeah, merceities?
What about you? Yeah? I think her confidence. She is
such a confident woman. She knows exactly what she wants,
she needs, and because of that, I think that she'll
be able to navigate her way through this journey in
such a beautiful way. And yeah, people, people are gonna

(01:01:35):
love her because she's she's just real. She's real tale,
so that will show through. And now she won't have
to be waiting for the dates or having anyone interrupt
for her dates. She'll just be able to pick who
she wants and go in those damn dates. Exactly. I'm
so excited for her. She's gonna kill it. It's gonna
be so exciting. We're thrilled. Okay, so we're gonna get

(01:01:57):
into this next part, but before that, I need to
ask all three of you. The beaches of Paradise are waiting.
If given the opportunity, would you walk those sands? Brooklyn? Absolutely?
Oh yeah I would. I would walk the sands of
Paradise for sure. Yes, I love it. Alie, what about you?

(01:02:18):
Definitely would. The no ac thing kind of makes me
a little bit nervous. I'm a bit hot nights, so
there better be a man on that Beach's worth it,
because just bring a fan pack your fan everywhere you go. Mercedes,
what about you? Yes? One thousand percent. Yes, these girls
saw me on the beaches or I guess Brooklyn, you

(01:02:40):
had your one on one so you weren't there. We
heard about it. I me on a beach with the
sun out of Margarita. I'm thriving, so that is that
is my element and I would one thousand per second. Well, look,
we just did half the Paradise calcium for the franchise. Yeah, okay,
you guys, this was so fun having all review on.

(01:03:00):
I think it's it's kind of hard to balance having
three people to interview, but I think we did a
good job and I just love chatting with people. But
before we let you go, we always do our resource section,
which is basically just sharing important resources with our listeners
to stay in the know and informed on everything. And
so Brooklyn, you were just unhappy how or a couple
of weeks ago, So we won't have you do this part.

(01:03:22):
But Mercedes and Ali, we'll have you both share something.
I'll start, just make it easy. Then we'll have Michelle go,
and then the two women you can share yours. So
mine for this week is a little bit different. So basically,
my little niece who's three and a half, is coming
to stay with me this week, and she loves reading.
She loves books, and so I was trying to think

(01:03:44):
of ones that I could bring into her life that
are a bit more important educational informative, informative, especially just
in terms of race. She lives in a very, very
very small town in Wisconsin. So I'm going to share
a couple children's books around race that I think people
can very easily go out and buying merd to their children.

(01:04:06):
The first one is called Is It Starts with Me?
It's written by Bernice King, who's actually Martin Luther King
Junior's daughter. Basically, it's a it's a book that encourages words, thoughts, actions,
all through love. And then two other ones that I
would recommend are the ABC's of Black History that is
by Rio Cortes, and then one is called Our Children
Can Soore by Michelle Cook. So those are my resources. Again,

(01:04:30):
you can buy them on Amazon, you can buy them,
I'm sure at Barnes and Noble anywhere online. So those
are mine for the week. And Michelle, you are up lovely.
Gotta love the children's books with being the teacher, oh yea.
But to my resource, it's called All the Little Things.
It's actually just like a little short film. It's four minutes.
It focuses purely on microaggressions, and that was something that

(01:04:53):
was really big piece about this women tell all of
not a lot of people not understanding what they are.
Does a really good job of putting somebody in that
first person seat of actually seeing what it would be
like to go out through the day as someone there was,
like person of color. And so that's called all the
little Things. There's a few places you can watch it,

(01:05:14):
but the biggest place that I saw is YouTube. I'll
posted on my highlights as well. But uh yeah, gonna
make it efficient, gonna make it quick. It's not this
massive book that you're reading. It's four minutes and yeah
it give it a shout out, give it a check
it out. All right, thank you, Michelle. We're saying this
is what about you. Do you have a resource you
can share? Yes. Red Table Talk with Jenna Picka Smith

(01:05:37):
one of my favorite podcasts. It's three Generations, so it's
her mom, herself, and then her daughter and they have
very raw, honest conversations about racism and everything that's going
on in the world right now. And I love it
because it is just so honest and they talk about real, real,
real issues, and yeah, it's a great source that I

(01:06:00):
love to listen to. And it's on Facebook. I think
they have a few on Spotify, but it's mostly primarily
on Facebook. Thank you and Alia, what about you? Yes,
I have a person and she has a collection of
ways that you can use her resources. But it's Morgan
Nichols Harper. It's her name, and she has a podcast

(01:06:21):
called The Morgan Nichols Harper Show as well as tons
of art that she does. She's an artist, is also autistic,
and she didn't know that she was autistic until she
was an adult. And so a lot of her artwork
and poems like illustrate dealing with mental health, which is
just something that is not spoken about in the African
American community as much as it should be. So it's

(01:06:43):
a great resource of art and poetry speaks to you.
It's just gonna get your emotions out and read it.
So I love all of her books, but especially her
podcast wonderful. We'll check it out. Thank thank you, and
again to all of our listeners. We will share these
on the Happy Hour' Intagram highlights real and again on
our personal pages too, so you can very easily check

(01:07:04):
them out. Well, now is the fun part before we
let you all go. And Brooklyn, I know you just
said this a few weeks ago, but we always have.
Everyone shared their rose and their thorn, which is basically
a highlight your favorite moment, whether it was during filming
or now kind of living in this chapter where everything
it has been aired, so highlight and then low light.
Your thorn is like a messy, awkward, maybe cringeworthy moment,

(01:07:27):
something that you wish maybe didn't happen. So Brooklyn, let's
start with you for that one. Okay, So my thorn
is still the fact that I fist bumped this poor
man after he told me I was a good kisser.
That was so much like why did I do that?
I don't know, Honestly, I've learned to love it at
this point. I'm like, Okay, it's actually kind of funny,

(01:07:49):
super awkward to think about and watch back button none
the less. Well that's actually better than you having to
turn around and be like, so are you yeah right?
So there's just a because that yeah, man, my rose.
There are so many great moments, um. I you know,
looking back, I truly think just the friendships I made,

(01:08:12):
you know, I didn't find the love I was looking forward, sack,
but I found love with all these women in support.
So that's my Rose. Oh, I love that Allie would
vote for you. My Thorn is definitely telling National TV
that I was going to miss the way this man's
lips tasted. It was fringe to watch. My friends will

(01:08:32):
not let me live it down, I especially as I'm
watching it. I'm now watching for the first time him
kissed me, then kissed the next girl, then kissed the
next girl. And I'm like, I think there was like
some on some funny meme that was just like, girl,
that's you're not tasting his lips. You're tasting like the
other girls he's macing on. And I'm like, Jesus no. Um.
So definitely my Thorn, Wooks, my bad Um and my

(01:08:55):
Rose is definitely the girls. I mean we are thickest
thieves and so um I'm glad I got them. Tell
them constantly, Please tell your cousins to reach out to me. Um,
you know they could be my person. So justin case
and we never know, open rebuilt that roster. Girls. I love.

(01:09:16):
I love the ladies. I love that. Okay, we're savings.
One about you, your Rose and Thorn. Oh, okay, so
my Thorn, I'm from Iowa. I'm a little country so
in the bloopers. I did a farmer's blow because a
bug went up my nose and I forgot. I forgot
I did that ship and then I saw it. I'm like, oh,

(01:09:37):
into the camera. Amazing. Good job for Sadie. It's relatable.
We've all been there. Yeah, and it's funny like and
I actually do it, so it's fine. Um, but I
would say my Rose like the other two girls. Uh,
the girls are amazing. The producers that I met are amazing. Really,

(01:09:58):
the whole experience was amazing. But I left knowing that
I had best friends for the rest of my life,
which is something that I will never take for granted.
These girls are truly just amazing, and we went through
something that only like we get and understand except for're
like I mean, obviously pasking testants as well, but it's
far from our season. We just have that that thing,

(01:10:19):
and so we just get each other. And I'm very,
very very thankful for them. I love that. Yeah, it
seems like this group of women has been even more
close than anything we've ever seen, which is which I
absolutely love. Um. Also, okay, you gave us your thorn.
You can't forget the fact of your amazing torque skills
in the mansion. Did see those two, which I was

(01:10:39):
going to call out at the beginning, But if I
ever meet you in person, can you please teach me? Yes?
I will. I got you girl, Thank you? Yeah, oh
my god, no that I was watching it and I
think it was Katie who was like falling off the
couch like how are you doing that? So good? That
was like such a fun night. That was just like
one of those nights where it was like a down

(01:11:01):
and I forget who it was with some producers they're like,
you can twurk, girl, Like, let's go teach a class.
I'm like, okay, okay, let's go it. Give a girl
who can do it? All people, all right, you're three. Well,
it has been so much fun having you on and
we've absolutely loved seeing each and every one of you

(01:11:21):
on the season. Hopefully we'll be seeing more of you.
I'm maybe on charity season. I'm not sure, but fingers
crossed um. But we're always here if you need advice,
if you need anything, Michelle and I are Our doors
are always open on happy hours, so please reach out
if you need anything. Well, thank you so much to
meet you all. Yeah you too. That was so much fun.

(01:11:46):
I really enjoyed those three women having them on to
give their take on the tell All and to just
pump charity up. So I'm sure we'll see more of
them in the next who knows, the next Paradise season hopefully.
So thank you for those three women joining us, and
of course thank you to all of our Bachelor Happy
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