Music Icon Shaggy, Plus: Julia from 'LTYH'

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
What's up. That's happy our listeners. We're so excited for
another week to be back with you guys. Becca. Always
great to be back with you, my girl, and then
just talk about all things Bachelor, and by that I
mean listen to your Heart. So Becca, I was thinking
about this the other day. I am so thankful for
our podcast, and for several reasons, because there are a

(00:24):
lot of Bachelor podcasts out there, which is fine, you know,
there's enough room for everybody, but they're all different. And
what I like so much about our podcast it's not
that it's just the official podcast. We're a podcast that's
always moving forward. We're always thinking of what's new, what's next.
We have great interviews with contestants from the shows. We

(00:44):
also have great interviews with celebrities, especially well celebrities that
are on Listen to your Heart. We get to talk
to them and we get to have very intimate and
deep discussions. You know, I'm glad we're not doing hot
topics because I feel like, and I'm about to go
on I'm ranting here, rambling, but you know, we get
a lot of questions, especially during quarantine. There's a lot

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like going down in Bachelor Nation, with drama and honestly
things that I don't care to discuss, and I'm glad
that we don't. I'm glad, and I'm sorry for the
people who want that. I think there are other podcasts
that provide it, but I love that our podcast it
is what it is. It's rich, it's detailed, and it's
forward moving, which is how I want to be in

(01:27):
every aspect of my life. Anyways, And that being said,
right over, I love it. I love when you off.
I just I do. I just love what we are
building here with Bachelor Happy Hour, and I'm proud of it,
and I'm happy to have you as like my co host.
I couldn't do this without you, Okay, all in my feelings,
it's that you know that it's that female time. So

(01:50):
like the y'all just bear with me because that's gonna
be my my mood from there the entire episode. But
today we've got so much for you, guys. We've got
we're gonna break down, listen to your heart, talk all
the things about that. But we've also got two very
special guests that are joining us on the show today.
We've got Julia. Now I know you guys have burning
questions for Juliet, and we do two and we're gonna

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talk to her and we're gonna try to get down
to the bottom of things and figure out what has
been going on because there's been a lot of drama
and honestly, Julia has been at the center of it.
We've also got none other than Shaggy. I'm actually gonna
have Becca say it because she says it with her
Midwestern accent. Thanky, who's coming on the show, who's come

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all and everyone Bachelor Hatberel listeners. We do have Shaggy, Shaggy, Shaggy,
shaggy Shaggy. It's like when Darry makes fun of how
I say bag, it's the same with Shaggy so aka
mister bombasket. I can't even talkstick bombastick Shaggy, Shaggy Shaggy. Okay, well,

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we've got him him on the podcast as well. We
are we are both fans, so eager and excited to
talk to him and we can't wait for you guys
to see his performance, which will be on next week's
episode of Listen to Your Heart. Yeah, Rachel, you hit
the nail on the head because when you say the podcast,
we always move forward. We're always looking looking into the

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next week. And what I love most about this podcast,
and especially when we recap Listen to your Heart, is
that we not only have contestants from the show, but
we have these amazing artists that can give insight and
advice and background and just more depth to what we're
covering each week, because let's be honest, like I'm not
a musician, so I don't know what I'm talking about
half the time. So yes, as you mentioned, we do

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have Julia now, Rachel, I know we have so many questions.
We will get into her very shortly because as you said,
she she is in the center of much of the
drama that takes place, which you know will recap that.
But I also can't. I don't everyone want to say
his name because you're just gonna make say you also
will have Shaggy, so I can't say I'm released him, like,

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oh no, that's okay. I'm gonna try to say it
correctly like the Californians out here with Shaggy. That was perfect?
Is that it? I see it, But I feel really
uncomfortable when I say it that way, So I'm just
gonna do me Shaggy, which and I feel like he's
coming on our podcast at the perfect time. He's re

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releasing an album at the perfect time, because when we're
in quarantine, we all need a little pick me up,
we all need like just this kick of energy, and
he is providing that. So like, after this time, I
just have a reggae party on my balcony. Yeah, so
free to join me, everybody. But before I get ahead
of myself, we still have an episode to break down,
and we just have to every week. We just have
to start with the beginning because there's a lot to cover.

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So from the beginning, Chris Harrison drops not only a bomb,
but like atomic bomb, where he's not just coming into
the mansion saying, listen up, everyone, I hope you're in
couples this week, because if you're not, you're leaving. He's saying,
you guys are already in couples, but we're gonna have
you dabble in other relationships to see what might just happen.

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And so I I loved the look on everyone's face
when he mentioned this because you and you know, of
course he saved Julia and Brandon for the end, but
that like moment before he said the last name. Of course,
you knew it was going to be Brandon. You knew
it was gonna it wasn't gonna be Sheridan, it wasn't

(05:31):
going to be Savannah. But the look on everyone's faces,
I just got like it was so cringeworthy, but I
got it, sad to say, but such enjoyment out of it. Yeah. No,
My notes literally say this is the messiest shit I've
ever seen. So then we see the dates set up.
Jamie and Ryan are together, Chris and Rudy, Julia and Brandon,

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which we knew. We knew the moment Chris Harrison said
that we knew what was happening. Ye, So we see
Chris and Rudy go on a date together, and I mean,
it's totally like a brosis setup. You can tell they're
cool with each other, they have a lot of respect.
They really didn't go on that much of a date
because they were in like a stone's throw away from

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the mansion. I was like, what the hell was that?
I love the binoculars. Well, there was one point before
the date where okay, I wrote it down. Rudy goes
before she's leaving and she's like seeing Matt work out
and like with a shirt off hanging out with Natasha.
She goes, I'm jealous, Okay, I have problems, and in
this moment, I'm like, don't lose a girl. We need

(06:34):
to keep you here. You can't lose it now. I
did not want her to leave over like having Matt
hang out with Natasha for one day, so thankfully she
sticks from But yes, like the date with her and
Chris just friendship and it was cute, like they both,
I think, feel so confident in the relationships. Yeah that
I think the four of them with um what I have,

(06:57):
La Brie with Brie and then Matt, like the quadrant
that they have. I think that they're set in their relationships.
They're confident. It's good. Yeah, it's cute. I thought it
was a good It was like a therapy session. They
were able to talk to each other about their significant others,
and that's great because sometimes you need that male opinion,
sometimes you need that female opinion. Then we have Jamie
and Ryan on a SPA day. So they didn't initially

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say they were on a SPA day at least I
missed that part. So I'm looking at Ryan and I'm like, Okay, Ryan,
I see this outfit. It's a vibe. It's a vibe.
We're really I mean, I liked it on him, and
then they go, we're on a spot. I go, okay,
I was talking about the road because I felt that
on an emotional level when I saw that, I know

(07:40):
how you feel about that robe Slipper's life. But I
was like, Okay, he's got the low cut the linen.
I just didn't understand until they said it, and I
was like, got it. You have to ask. Yeah, But
I thought, you know, what I thought was nice is that,
you know, it seems like forever ago that Amy and
Ryan possibly could have been together since they met first

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before any other contestants came into the mansion. So I
thought it was nice to see that they both realized
they've moved on. It's all good, there's no love lost,
and they're developing a friendship and it was really sweet. Yeah,
which I think goes to show like friendships can form
even though yes, like they went on one day they
had this makeout session, but it's not awkward. Like once

(08:24):
you get past that, and people are always like, isn't
it awkward seeing your exes or hanging out and it's like, no,
not really, depending on who it is, usually not no, yeah, no,
it's not. So then we get to the reason that
this whole messiness started. This is all for Julia and Brandon, right,
because how else can we get these two together who

(08:45):
so badly want to be together but don't know how
to leave the people that they're with. So it was
so sad. When Julie is about to go on the
State with Brandon and she's talking to Sheridan. I literally
was like I was listening to Julia and I said, Okay,
Sheridan's listening her, but mentally he's packing his bags. I
mean he was already sitting on the plane to Austin,

(09:06):
you know, like he's not a dummy. He knew what
was up. So I see Julianne Brandon go to the
Roxy and if they have this intimate date where there's
I mean, how romantic is it to write a song
with someone? And the song that they wrote wasn't half bad.
I thought it was pretty dang good. It was for

(09:27):
getting on the fly like that quickly to throw that
together with not only like the lyrics, but the guitar
and the vocals, and I thought it was good. It
sounded like journal entries. These were the journal. No, it
was good. I agree, but I'm saying like they've been
writing this stuff down for weeks until they at this moment.

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They took forever for them to come back. They knew it,
the writing was on the wall. They were prepared for
the worst, praying for the best. And I don't know
in both their situations. This is to quote the great
Garth Brooks, thank God for unanswered prayers. That's just an
illusion to what happens in the future. But you know,

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fast forward to then when they do come back and
they have Julia has this like this gut wrenching conversation
with Sheridan and he the part that really got to
me was him questioning, like something must be wrong with me?
What's wrong with me? Why can't I keep a good
girl around? Like to hear him say that, I was
getting the chills, Like, nobody, it's not you like you,

(10:31):
This isn't you. This is on them and it's so
sex I feel like in any breakup, like, let's be honest, everyone,
that thought crosses everyone's head, like what did I do wrong?
What could I have done differently? Is it me? And
you see that with him in that moment, and I
just I felt for him. It was very, very sad.
And then you see like a whole one eighty flip
flop scenario with Savannah and Brandon. She's like, hmm, I'm

(10:55):
not going to be your second choice, Like, don't call
me sweetie, don't call me baby. I'm not going to
be a backup. I okay. When Julia comes back to
break up with Sheridan, you're you're skipping the part where
she says to him, he's very matter of fact. He's like,
don't toy with me. Basically, he's like, don't to him
if he just tell me what it is. And she's
stuttering over what she's gonna say, and then all he

(11:18):
does is ask questions. He doesn't curse, he doesn't raise
his voice, and she says, I don't know why you're
being so mean to me about it? What what dot F?
I will say? So Garrett was watching this scene with
me and and he's well because he's going back to school,

(11:40):
so he's not fully paying attention to the show. He's
kind of like offerating his book but still tuning in.
He goes she seems manipulative. That was like the one
word that came out of his mouth, and I was like, well,
kind of yeah, like, Sheridan's not getting mad, Sheridan's not
getting angry at you. He's simply addressing the situation that
you brought to him. And he, obviously rightly so, has

(12:01):
questions and wants answers. And I thought the way that
she treated him, like why are you getting anger at me?
Why are you being mean to me? Was so off
and off base, like I don't know, like there has
to be some disconnect somewhere. Oh, it was. This is manipulation.

(12:21):
One on one. Garrett is right, and this was very
for our listeners. If you're if you're new and you
just are listening to listen, are you just watching listen
to your heart Peter season of The Bachelor, This is
very circa Peter Victoria f right, like, you don't take
any blame for yourself, you displaced, You put the blame
on someone else, and that's that deflecting and that's exactly

(12:43):
what she was doing. So oh, Julia, Sharon fine. Sharonan
gets in the car like you said, I okay, I
have a confession. I told you it's that time. It's
that time. I am not lying never in my life
have I ever shed a tear watching any show of
this franchise. I cried when Sheardan went home. Yeah, I'm

(13:08):
and I was like, oh my god, this is so
I can't believe I'm crying. I legit. Anybody, you can't
tell me anything bad about sharedon I don't want to
hear it. I'm gonna be as stubborn as as as
I want to with this one. I my heart broke
for him. This man was loyal, he was patient, he
was dedicated to her in a way that she never

(13:30):
was with him. And it broke my heart watching him
drive away, And I legitimately cried because I could tell
that he was trying not to And when he let
it go in the car, I let it go with him.
I let it go. Yes, it was heartbreaking, and it
was so said, I wrote in my notes. Can we well?
First of all, I really would love to have him

(13:51):
on the podcast and get his side of things. Also,
I wouldn't be upset if he was on the Bachelor.
We got to find him some nice girls. He won't
do well on the Bachelor. Let's just go to Spain.
But this is want to find someone sure and if
you are listening. I have a lot of nice Minnesota
girlfriends who are single back home, and they will treat
you right, honey. Yeah, unfortunately, No, please please hit her

(14:12):
up about that. They won't. The Bachelor won't be your place.
That's what's so great about listening to your heart because
it's about the music and it's about the chemistry and
the connection. It's not about appearances in a certain way,
like I actually like his look and his vibe, but
that doesn't fit like the cookie cutter vibe that is,
you know when you're on the Bachelor Bachelorette. Unfortunately, so

(14:36):
you know how we do it. We can keep going
and going and going. And I want to get to
the performances because I was there for them, and so
maybe I can give you some inside scoop. But I
want to get your take on the Natasha Julia Brandon situation.
What did you think about what Natasha said and her
timing of what she said. I think two things in
this conversation, well, in this entire situation that stuck out

(14:58):
to me. One when Natasha the next day was sitting
down with Brandon and Ryan was there and Julia was there,
and she the whole like earmuffs thing that she had
Julia do. It's like, if you're going to ask it
in front of all these other people, it's going to
be played back on TV. Don't tell her to put
earmuffs on. Just ask in front of her. And that
would have been much better timing for Julia to hear

(15:19):
his response and to witness it and to see how
he reacts to the question. Then when Natasha then told
her right before they're all about to perform, I think
her timing was off. I think it was a good
question on Natasha's end to ask if she's genuinely curious,
because let's be honest, Brandon seems like he's all over
the place, and so I'm glad she asked him, but
I wish that she would have just let Julia hear

(15:41):
and see his response. Right, No, how does your percent
agree with you? So that trickles over into the performances,
which I was fortunate enough with Brian to be one
of the judges. It was such a fun time, which
let me say, you looked so freaking good when you
walked out. Well, I texted you this, Rachel, get you're
guarante tuned it on this part He's like, Dang, Rachel's

(16:03):
good up there. Like the way that you spoke to
the couples, and you like I think all of the
judges do an amazing job these past couple of weeks.
But it was good and it was so fun to
watch you up there. You looked like fire. I had
a blast. I was honored, Thank you so much for that.
I was honored to be a judge. I was trying
to be careful with my words because last time I
was a judge, it wasn't well received, So I was

(16:25):
trying to be a little bit more, you know, straight
line in what I was saying. But I wanted to
encourage them because I did think everyone was really talented
on stage. So popping off the whole set for that
night those performances at the Novo Theater downtown in LA
was Rudy and Matt, who I personally thought had the
best performance of the night. They sang Tennessee Whiskey, one

(16:48):
of my favorite songs, a song I learned about while
I was on next season of the Bachelor's shout out
to Danielle Maltby who taught me that song, and I
think more than anybody, Rudy and Matt performed the best
together and their harmonies are the best. They really really
aren't sync, I will say so. And I last time,
when I watched the performance from last week, I said,

(17:09):
Rudy solo show. I mean, it's no surprise. I'm obsessed
with Rudy. I think she's by far one of the
best singers I've ever heard. But Matt, I will say,
really stepped up in this performance, and he did amazing.
I felt like last week I kind of missed his vocals,
and maybe it's just because Rudy was like shining so bright,
but when he started, I well, and this is what

(17:31):
I wrote for his voice, I just have the word
velvet underlined, like it was so good, so smooth. It
really I think started off the show strong because you
kind of need to set the bar fairly high, especially
in the competition like this, and they did just that.
Like I loved it. I want to see them perform
if they had their own show or they just sang
the entire time. Caught me in Yeah, No, they were amazing.

(17:52):
And then there was Trevor and Jamie kind of the
opposite end of the spectrum. They sang a song I'm
Gonna love You like I'm Gonna Lose You. I love
that song. I thought that Jamie had gotten her nerves
out last week and we understood why she's nervous. We
understood it, we forgave it, we got it, and I
thought moving forward she was going to put that to

(18:13):
the side, especially since she has a partner who's so supportive,
and she didn't. She was even more nervous, and it
showed in their performance. I thought they were off And honestly,
I think that her emotion is exhausting, and I like Jamie,
it's just heavy. It's a lot, and Trevor's always having
to reassure her and that came out in their performance.
They did not connect at all. Yeah, I think he

(18:36):
did a solid job of trying to steer her back
on track. You know, you could kind of see her
going off, and you could, I mean me as a viewer,
I could feel the nerves coming through and it was
I think you used this word last week for her.
It was a bit pitchy for me. It wasn't terrible,
but you could just tell something wasn't aligning there. But
I thought he did a good job of kind of

(18:57):
bringing a back raining her in like holding a very
like solid level for that performance, but it wasn't by
far my favorite. And I just want her And I
think I said this last week too. I mean, she's good,
She's really good. She just needs to get the nerves
out and to have a little bit more confidence when
she performs. And granted, maybe it could be, as Chris
Harrison said, one of the biggest venues and crowds that

(19:19):
some of them have performed, and that could be it.
But she just needs to have faith in herself. You
know who I thought about when I was watching her,
Kyote Ugly the girl, the lead singer. I was like,
she writes she likes to perform with the lights off.
Like I felt like, if we just turned the lights
off for Jamie, I feel like she'll be comfortable, you know,

(19:39):
if they let her. If she sings, can't fight the
moonlight later in this show, I'm freaking psychic, she'd crush up. Okay,
So then we see christ and Breed they sing Lover
Taylor Swift. It was romantic, it was cute, it was sweet.
I said all the things on stage. I loved it,
Tony loved it. I just have to say side note,

(20:01):
it was really cool to share the stage with Tony
Braxon in Andy gomer I did imagine it was great. Rich.
I don't want to be a jealous Betty, but I am.
I'm so jealous that you were there. How amazing. One
thing that I really liked that Andy Grammar called out
for their performance is Chris's falsetto is Gold. Yeah, it's

(20:23):
so good when he like not many men can hit
those high notes and he just does it so flawlessly.
It wasn't my favorite song choice, but I think them
together obviously, Yeah, they're in love and you felt that,
and so it was a good performance. It was really sweet.
I wrote down what he said when he was like
which also was interesting to watch as a judge because

(20:44):
I was there in real time. We have no idea
all the backstory and what's going on behind stage. People
are crying, people are getting into it. There's drama, and
we're just like watching a show. So it's weird now
that I see that all this other stuff was happening. Yea,
and they get on stage and there's nothing. Well, that's
to ask you as a judge, did you get any

(21:05):
inkling to anything that was going on with any of
the couples or was it simply you sat there, they
came out, you know, two at a time, performed, and
that was that you had no idea of, like, yeah,
we didn't know one girl's crying or no, one couple's
about to break up or whatever it might be. No. No,
that's why you hear me say things like and we'll
get to Julian Brandon. I'm glad I got that backstory

(21:27):
because we didn't know that. Yeah. Um so, one thing
I did want to note about christ and Bree because
they are just so sweet. When he said quote I
would tell my dad that I met the sweetest woman
in the world, and I think that she's perfect for me.
Because he shares that he had lost his dad. I
thought that that was so beautiful. I just I wrote
it down and I even rewound it so I couldn't

(21:47):
get the exact quote. Loved it. Yeah, So, Julian Brandon,
you know this good that that's what that's where we
need to get to. That's the tea. So Julian Brandon,
get on stage. Now you saw my my I said,
it was like karaoke in real life. They booed me
and Julie encouraged it. So what I have been itching

(22:10):
to tell you, Becca is that I knew so I
didn't know the backstory behind it, but you realize I
saw Julia and Brandon performed together. So I have been
curious this whole time. Does how does he get from
Savannah to Julia? Because what I watched months ago was
those two together, and I remember watching and Tony said

(22:31):
the same thing. Tony said, they seemed like they were fighting,
and it did. It just was like she was pulling
so much for him and he was just doing his
own thing playing. They did not seem together at all.
So now to see the background of it, I'm like,
I get it. Disconnect comes from well, and that's one
thing that I wrote in my notes. It felt like

(22:51):
they don't match when they're performing, and that like it
was just being forced. Like it seemed it just me
as the viewer for the thirty seconds I saw of it,
it just it wasn't in sync. Yeah, so how's that?
I thought it was an interesting song choice, we Belong
to the Night. Anything don't really know that song. I

(23:14):
was like, come on, buddy, I'm not in a Brandon
as a performer. I'm just not well and I'm yeah,
I think out of and this is me just and
my reference to what I listened to. I think out
of the group, he's maybe one of the weakest singers.
I think. I know I'm being it's my personal bias
because of just how he's been in the show. Like

(23:35):
it's like, I can't I'm just being honest, I'm being
so biased because of how he's been. They end the
show with Natasha and Ryan and they sing You Are
the Best Thing, which is one of my favorite It's
one of my favorite songs. So I was already sold
just by the song choice in general. Yeah, and it
brought us to our feet. It was such a fun song.

(23:55):
This song choice ray La Monting is such a better
fit for Ryan. I mean last week when him and
Natasha performed and it was to Rihanna, it was so
off for him. It didn't feel like him. And so
when they I'm so glad that they picked this song
because he know, in my eyes, kind of stepped it
up a little bit more. I know last week Jason
mur said Natasha could like sing circles around him and

(24:15):
would just take off, which of course, yes, I mean,
she is incredible. She's just like she has like these
powerhouse lungs. I don't know where it comes from, but
this I think was so much better geared towards him.
So I'm glad that they chose this one. Now you
see why I've been like I love Ryan. I love
Ryan because this is the performance that I saw from him,
and it was even better live. So've I didn't see

(24:38):
the other you know, the other songs he was singing,
so this, this was more as fit and any grammar
actually even said it didn't play. He said, Ryan, or
do you feel more comfortable singing in front of the guitar,
because I felt like you came alive when you had
the guitar in your hands, And he said, yes, I'm
singing at the guitar. So Andy kind of caught on
what his vibe is. It was good. I think performance wise,
they it was good. It was a great song choice.

(25:01):
I but and and maybe it's because we do see
the backstory. But even to compared to like Brie and
Chris and and even some of the other couples, I
don't know how long the last outside of this as
a couple christ and relationship, no, no, Natasha and Ryan,
like compared to I will say I know, last week

(25:23):
I said that she seems very professional in their relationships.
Now she's putting on a performance. This week, I did
feel like they had more of a connection, and I'm
not based on the performance, just how I saw them
move about in the house. They do really seem to
like each other. They're just like real chill. So yeah,
I saw more of a progression in their relationship. But

(25:44):
we've already teased the top of the show that we
have two guests Got Shaggy, and one of them is Julia,
And so Julia has been at the middle of a
lot of drama, whether it's with Savannah, another woman in
the house, whether it's between the triangle she has with
Sheridan and Brandon. There's just a lot there. And Julia
is honestly one of my favorite female voices in the house,

(26:08):
one of them. But then it's hard to ignore everything
else that's going in the house. So I want to
discuss Julia for a bit, Becca before we bring her on,
because we're going to have her on in just a moment.
But there's certain things that are just like hard for
me to ignore when it comes to Julia, because I
do understand, and that's why I'm eager to talk to her.
I know that there's always another side to the story,

(26:29):
and I want to give her the opportunity and I
know you do, too, the opportunity to talk about that.
But there's so many things she speak, speaks in such
exaggeration that it bothers me. People are mean, they're a bully,
they're disingenuous there, it's just everything is just so exaggerated
that it's just hard for me to see any other

(26:53):
side of her. And I'm curious as to how you feel. Well,
So here's the thing, and people, I know it seems
like we're just ragging on Julia. We're not trying to.
We're simply giving our opinions and what we're seeing week
by week in this show. And if you don't agree
with us, that's totally okay. You don't have to. But
this is how we feel. And I think people and

(27:14):
us included, need to remember there's so much that we
don't see, Like we literally only see two hours every
week of what's been filmed twenty four seven. All right, Rachel,
So of course, I mean Julia has been the center
of most of the drama, so we just need to
hear it from her first, I think we need to
get her side of things. So, without further ado, everyone

(27:36):
please welcome Julia. Well, hi Julia, how's it going. Hi good?
How are you guys? Thanks for having me? Well? Thanks good.
We're happy to have in the show. Yeah, well we
are because you know, we've watched the past couple episodes
back and of course we have many questions. You have
unfortunately been part of some of the drama, so we're
happy to have you on to get your side of things.

(27:58):
I was just telling Rage there's when you go into
filming what we're seeing as viewers. It's only two hours
once a week of what's being filmed twenty four seven,
so there's so much back end that we as the
viewers are privy to see, and so of course we
want to get your take on everything. But to sert
things off before we get into all of that, how
have you been doing holding up during quarantine? I mean

(28:23):
it's been affected by the last two episodes, but I'm
doing I'm doing okay. You know, I'm I'm hanging in there,
especially Ken. I mean, quarantine drives everyone crazy, and I'm
sure it's not easy. Trust me, I know it's not easy.
Watching yourself back week after week and so with no
social release too. Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean your voice

(28:48):
is fire, Julia, and it's one of our favorite voices.
It's one of our favorites. When you sang with Sheridan
when you did the Radio Day, it sounds like y'all
were like it was a track playing and you have
a beautiful voice, Julie. I did say this on one
of our episodes a couple of weeks ago. I don't know.
I don't know why I expected this. When you sing,

(29:10):
I was like picturing because I felt like you're so poised,
like some operatic vocals to come out, and when you sing,
I was so blown away, but in the best possible way.
I just wasn't expecting it. And when I was watching
you in that first performance at the radio stations, like, dang,
she's got vocal, she's got some lungs. Thank you, just
very tealesome of anyone who knows, because you hear so

(29:32):
many people sing, and it wasn't until that moment that
we were like, oh my gosh, we haven't heard Julie
sing yet because we don't remember that. Yeah, it was
really good. Thank you, Thank you so much, So starting out,
how was I mean overall between all of the drama
and the performances and still being able to showcase yourself

(29:54):
and your performances to the world, Like, what was your
overall experience and takeaway from being on Listen to your Heart?
I loved being almost in your heart, you know. I
made what I believed to be lifelong friends there, you know,
And I am saddened that the drama that I was
involved with kind of overshadowed probably what you know, America

(30:17):
perceived as the vibe at the mansion. You know, like
you said, you only get to see, you know, two
hours or one and a half hours with commercials of
what happened over the course of a longer stretch of time.
And I mean it was a mansion filled with super
talented musicians and all just hoping to fall in love

(30:40):
and find their path through their dream before going on.
Were you a fan of The Bachelor and about Charette?
Have you seen any episodes or did you just go
in totally blind? So I grew up kind of watching
with my mom. I actually remember watching um Tristan's season
of the Bacharette like yeah, first one, yeah, and then

(31:02):
I fell out of it. I didn't stay on top
of it. But then when I when this show came
to light for me, I Binge watched um Bashroom Paradise
and the last couple of seasons A Bathroom Bachos. You
kind of knew what we're getting into a little bit,
which I think they have hurt me in the long
run because I assumed it would be like Bashroom Paradise.

(31:23):
So when we worked old You're now coupled up and
this is it, I was like, oh, Okay, this is
different than what I expected. Yeah, well, and that's something. Oh,
I was just gonna say, that's something that we have
talked about. I mean we even the fact that like
this upcoming episode when Chris comes in and he's like, hey,

(31:44):
you guys are already in couples, but now we're gonna
stir the pot and put you in different couples, Like
we've never seen anything like that happened on the show before,
So I mean it was sometime new for us. All Yeah. Um,
I feel like the cast was entirely on edge every
single day because it was just like a new twist.
You know. I think you can have a game plan
when you are like people could have a game plan

(32:04):
when they go into any of the other shows, but
we were seriously, druly going in aligned and so I
think it definitely heightened certainly my stress level. Well, I
think that that's why it's a favorite of ours. I mean,
I didn't watch The Bachelor, Bachelor, Bachelorette prior to being
on the show. And what I love so much about

(32:26):
Listen to your Heart is that it's off the beaten path.
So every week we have no idea what to expect,
and that's what makes it so intriguing and it's it's honestly,
it might be my favorite Bachelor franchise show, to be honest.
But you said something that stuck with me. You said
that when Chris Harrison came in and said this is

(32:48):
it and you're coupled up, it was kind of like whoa,
as if maybe you thought it is like Bachelor and
Paradise and I can test the waters more so at
that point when Chris Harrison said that you were coupled
up with shared it. So I want to go back
like night one, you meet Sheridan, you talked to Brandon,
there was obviously interest between both of them, but you

(33:09):
ultimately ended up settling with Sheridan. So what was it
about Sheridan where you were like, you know what, this
is where I'm going to start or plant my roots? Yeah,
lack of better words, to be honest, Brandon reminded me
of every guy I've ever dated and that's been unsuccessful.
So I kind of there were red flags from the

(33:30):
beginning for me with him, so I kind of pushed
it away even though there was that initial spark. Sheridan
and I off the bat had this amazing and really genuine,
deeper connection and I knew he was the kind of
man that I should have in my life. It doesn't

(33:53):
necessarily always mean it's the man that you you know.
It's so hard, it's been so hard for me to
watch it back, honestly, but I I was happy to
be with Sheridan. I just also had this connection with
Brandon that I wasn't quite willing to give up because
it had only been you know, eight whatever days at

(34:13):
that point, and I did. I was under the impression
that we would be still exploring those options and uh yeah,
looking back now, and you know, hindsight is always what
is it fifty fifty twenty twenty twenty twenty, Because you're
seeing it twenty two. Thank you, Rachel. I'm so bad

(34:35):
when it comes to remembering anything. But in hindsight, do
you at this point regret not choosing Sheridan at the
end of it? Yeah? Absolutely, And I hope he hears
this because I absolutely regret um not choosing him. And
I think I think the stakes were so high, you know,

(34:59):
in a and too being there to find love. We
were all dreamers that were there to achieve a dream.
And I think when I heard like you have to
couple up, I honestly panicked. I was like, well, shoot,
I better make sure who I'm with is the right person.
That didn't mean that I went about it the right
way at all. I certainly did not, But my way

(35:24):
of going about it also didn't mean that Sheridan wasn't
the right person. It's hard when it's not only you
focused on the guys, but that other girls are focused
on the guys as well. And that's something that Rachel
and I as the leads, as the Bachelords, didn't have
to deal with because there was no other distractions and
we were free to go about and explore those relationships

(35:44):
for as long as we wanted. Here you have to
couple up and that's it, and that's the couple. Yeah,
certainly up the stress level, I think in the house,
especially for me, you know, I lead with my emotions.
That is not always a good thing. I am an
open book. I did stay even brutally honest with Sheridan

(36:07):
at every point. I told him that I still had
feelings for Brandon. And it breaks my heart that people
think that my connection with him on stage was disingenuous, ironically,
because that is actually where Sheridan and I connected the most,
was through the music, and that was actually the most
beautiful part of this experience for me. Was you know,

(36:29):
Sheridan and I always say that we would have never
met at a bar, like he and I would never
have gone up to each other at a bar, so
we would have only met through an experience like this
and playing music together deep in that connection for us.
You know, you didn't get to see on our date
we had. We sat on the couch and prepped the
song that we sang, but we also sat and jammed
to other music and harmonized together, and really beautiful moments

(36:54):
like that didn't air. And but that doesn't mean that
they weren't there, and they weren't real. So I guess, Julia,
you say now that you hope that Sheridan hears what
you're saying, and you know you've you've kind of changed
your mindset is and I want to give you the
opportunity to speak towards this. Why is that? And the

(37:16):
reason I'm saying why is that? Is because is it
because you tried it with Brandon and it fell? So
you know it didn't work? There is it? Because time? Like?
Why why are you so matter of fact now? Because
I think the easy answer for the audience with to
be or to think is oh, well, yeah, of course
you think that because it didn't work out with Brandon.

(37:38):
But why is that? Like, if Sheridan we're listening right now,
why is it we talked all the time after filming
we did. I reached out to him and I was
reminded of the true connection that we had while there,

(38:00):
And unfortunately, since the most recent episodes have aired, that
has kind of feast for now at least. But it's
I think it's a multiple multitude of reasons. I knew
and I did say this in my ITMS too, that
like Sheridan was the type of man that I would marry.
Um he is so genuine and has an amazing heart,

(38:26):
and um uh saw me for you know, probably saw
what I could be too at a time when I
wasn't my best. So um, you know, it's been hard
to realize that I threw that away. So and it
has nothing to do with you know, Brandon falling through

(38:48):
with Brandon, you know, had I oh, yeah, all right.
I mean I I think your emotion is real. And
I I told Becca before you got on here. I
legitimately cried when Sheridan left. So it's actually nice to
hear that what we saw was really how he is.
And I honestly, Juliet, I feel like you made a

(39:09):
mistake that a lot of women and men make. I'll
just be honest with you. You know it. Yes, you
were at the center of a lot of drama. Yes
we can get into that, but just talking about what
you're talking to now, I and Becca, I would love
for you to speak to this too. I know at
the end of my bachelorette journey, I was stuck with

(39:30):
the guy that I was used to dating and the
guy that I didn't think I deserved because I was
used to dating a certain type of man. And it
sounds like that's the dilemma that you were in. And
maybe we have as bachelorettes, have a little bit more
time to explore that that you didn't, and so maybe
you didn't make the best decisions going You tried it,

(39:50):
but then you still need to explore the other relationship
to figure out what you really wanted. And I don't
think that that's wrong, And it's actually refreshing to hear
you say that, because you're not alone. We all do that.
It took me until I was in my thirties. I
always say that my now husband, who I met from
the show, I never would have been ready for him

(40:13):
even three years, even two years before I went on
the show, you know saw that timing. Yeah. Well, and Rachel,
as you said, we've all, like, let's be honest, we're human.
Everyone has gone back to an X that they know
is bad for them. Everyone has been drawn to that
bad boy or that bad girl that they know isn't
necessarily going to be lasting. But we all do it

(40:36):
because it's just in our nature, I think, and it's
you get to a certain point, and Rachel, you said,
you know you just needed time and to grow up
a little bit and for me, like before the show,
I was there, I went back to this x so
many times you couldn't even count. Every time it was like, Oh,
my family was like, are you gonna do it? Over
and over? And when is it going to end? Like
we've all done it, We've all felt that heartbreak, and

(40:57):
I think we all get to a point in our
lives where we're like, we can't keep doing that same
thing over and over. And Juliet, it sounds like from
from what you experienced through the show and between Sheridan
and Brandon and now even just watching it back, you know,
in a new viewpoint, with a new view and new eyes, Um,
maybe that's maybe this is your moment where you've realized that. Um.

(41:19):
But going and speaking to Sheridan when you speak so
highly of him, and how Rachel said she cried when
he left. He made a really good point. And I
don't know if this is going to be too hard
to hear, but he did say, like, you know, she's
always gone for the wrong guys and the bad guys,
and I would be different, And to hear him, I
think he just had more insight maybe to the relationship

(41:40):
and what he could provide to you. But that just
shows the heart and the head that he has on him. Um.
And he did seem like a solid dude, so we
of course were sad to see him go. Um. But
and who knows what would have happened maybe. I mean,
do you think, like, had you chosen Brandon earlier on
and not Sheridan, do you think you guys would have

(42:00):
made it further in the season. Nor Brandon sucks, Julia
Brandon sucks. I mean, there's no way around it. It sucks.
I think, Yeah, I did not appreciate the way um
and especially watching back now, I'm like, girl, wake up,
like to hear the way he talks to you, you know. Um,

(42:25):
So I actually think and I had said, I actually
said this the morning shared and got a day card.
I was like, I'd really love a day card because
I already know I have something so solid with Sheridan.
I'd love to go on a date with Brandon to
see kind of like how that goes. And I think,
because that didn't happen that way, it was this gnawing
like feeling at me. Quite frankly, my heart and I

(42:47):
have lost sleep over this. My heartbreaks because I think
had sharedan and I stayed together through it. We could
have taken it all the way. Um, I do believe that.
I think musically we just so fit well together and
we worked well together. And yeah, it's heartbreaking for me

(43:08):
and for me to think of him feeling that too.
I agree with you. I think y'all could have gone
all the way too. I want to get into, you know,
talking about Brandon that the day that after Sheridan and
Savannah left and it was you and Brandon free to

(43:29):
now kind of explore what you guys could be and
he's calling you babe and sweetie, which we saw he
did the same to Savannah. Was he ever upfront in
those moments with you of Like, Yeah, I tried to
get Savannah back. I told her I went on the
state with Julia wanted to work things out with Savannah?
Like did he? Was he ever fully honest with you

(43:51):
in that moment? No? And I think that, you know,
I can't fault Brandon for being torn because I was torn,
But I can say that he, you know, much like
I should have perhaps taken out my frustrations. I took
them out on the wrong person and I took them
out on Savannah. Should have taken them out on Brandon.
He should have been more upfront with both me and Savannah,

(44:16):
and that was that was actually why I kind of spiraled,
not kind of, I totally spiraled, because when Savannah and
he coupled up originally, he didn't then circle back and
have any kind of conversation with me, So that was
really disappointing, and he continued to kind of play those
games even after Savannah was gone. Yeah, so we've seen

(44:39):
the Tasha tell you in this episode that he basically
says to Savannah, if this if you want to make
this work, then I will choose you and make this work.
And I agree her timing it wasn't the right time.
But I know you were very bothered by the timing

(45:00):
of her saying that you didn't believe what she said
to you, and you even referred to her as mean
and as a bully. Now, knowing what you know, what
do you think about the information that Natasha presented to you.
I still feel like her timing was way off and
out of line. I think that was the problem with

(45:23):
Natasha in general. In the house. You know, she had
information that she shared kind of just so she would
she just dropped these bombs out of nowhere and we
were having such a great day at the Novo, everyone
was doing sound check and we're being judged on our
chemistry and she kind of just threw this rent in there.

(45:44):
So I think I would have taken it better had
she done it right when she learned the information. Well, so,
which leads me to ask you. We see the part
where Natasha tells, you know, okay, earmuffs cover the ears.
I'm going to ask Brandon a tough rush. Yeah, and
then she goes on to say, you know, if Savannah

(46:04):
would have stayed, would you be with her? And he
goes yes, do you just wish at that moment? Well
two things, Ay, you would have just listened in at
that moment and not thrown on those earmuffs and be
what are Yeah? I wouldn't. I would not have put
my earmufs on. I would have. But I'm so curious,
but do you think had you had you not had

(46:24):
the earmuffs on, would it have changed going into them
that performance with Brandon? Do you think maybe you would
have set yourself home? Like, how do you think that
would have played out? Yeah? Um, I have no idea
why I put earmuffs on. I think at that point
I was so emotionally beaten down. I could tell that
Brandon was like, we weren't biting. As soon as the
next morning came, I knew something was off, and I, uh,

(46:48):
just that's I think that's why I was so defeated
and I put the earmuffs on. That damn another bad
choice by me. But I don't honestly, I wanted to
go home many times after that. UM, I knew that
Brandon was mistreating me. I knew that we didn't work
well together, and I felt like the second choice. UM,

(47:11):
and I you know it was. It was a difficult
last few days there for me. It really was. M Man, Brandon,
I think you put I think you hit the nail
on the head. I think you hit put here ear
muffs on because you didn't want to hear it. Like

(47:31):
you knew it, but you just didn't want to hear
it at that at that point in time. UM, it's interesting.
I'm gonna be honest with you, Julia. I had a
whole list of questions to ask you about, like what
we've been watching, what we've seen, but you've really come
into this interview and you're like, basically, I get why

(47:55):
people say what they say, you know, I get why
people why people perceive what they perceive. But and you
own up to the things that you said did, but
there's this whole other side where you're like, this is
why I did it. And I'll be honest, it makes sense,
you know. Do I agree with certain things that we're
done or said? No? But I think that it takes

(48:19):
a really big person to say, listen, I feel trapped.
I fell into the trap of what is Brandon that
type of guy? And at the end of the day,
I should have been, you know, with the sharedan and
going into what Rachel said, I think again, as if
you were, it comes off and from what I'm watching

(48:40):
that you're kind of casting the blame onto others that
you're not taking full responsibility. But I think now speaking
to you that and that's why I'm really glad that
we have you on is we can hear your side
of why you were thinking a certain way. And I think,
like I said, hindsight is twenty twenty. You've watched it
back now and you're learning and you're growing and you're realizing, Okay,
like it takes two to tango in a relationship. Everyone

(49:03):
makes mistakes. You know, You've made mistakes, Brandon's made mistakes,
and so at least now you're kind of learning and
adapting to that and growing. And I can only imagine
it hasn't been easy getting to this place. Yeah, it's
been really hard. I didn't anticipate, honestly, Like even when

(49:26):
I say the sassy things that they played and everything, like,
I never imagined it would come across as the like
I cringed. I have been mortified. This is the first
time I've been out of pajamas and days, and I
have been heartbroken. You know, I definitely didn't come across

(49:46):
the way that I think I lived my life. So
it's been heartbreaking. One thing, so I was at your
performance and I didn't even know the background of you.
So it's actually been interesting to watch it back because
i'm watching it, I'm like, wait a minute, who's Savannah

(50:06):
Because I watched and I can't tell Becca this because
I can't talk about what I've seen, and I'm like,
I watched Julianne Brandon perform, So how did they get
to this point? And if you remember my critique, I
was like, oh, something seems off. It doesn't seem right.
And something you said, which I think you would we

(50:26):
now see the backstory. So yeah, something was off. But
you made a statement after your performance and you told Brandon,
you said, I feel like you abandoned me on stage.
What did you mean by that? So when we were
in sound check, he did the same thing, like he
treated it like a solo performance, and that was not

(50:48):
what we were there to do. He wasn't connecting with me,
he wasn't looking at me. And so after the sound check,
I said, like, you can't do that. You can't leave
me out there out to dry, and he did. When
we got on stage, he treated it like a solo show,
and I didn't feel good at all. And that was

(51:11):
the moment where I was like I had been fighting
for it because I had made the decision. I was like,
I wanted this to I wanted to see if this
could work. I'm gonna fight for it. And that was
the moment that I knew the fight was over. That wasn't, Julia.
The moment was when you were performing on stage. You
turned to him and he looked at you like this
while he was singing, and you said, that's it. No,

(51:35):
if he made that iconic face, that infamous face that
we were saying, and you were like, this ain't it?
Shared it. I will say, like, even before the judges
gave their feedback for your performance, I wrote in my
notes that he doesn't make eye contact with you. He'sn't
even looking at you. That's like And that's the one
takeaway I got from that. And I'm glad that I

(51:56):
wasn't the only one to pick up on that because
one of the things you said to me when I
said you have to like connect with me, he said,
you know, uh, just touch me to remind me that
you're there. H You're like, don't hear eyeballs working right here?
I know what I will say, you dodgedable. I think you, guys,

(52:22):
there's something about Brandon. I don't know. I'm not the
biggest fan of him. I Bye bye, Brandon, That's all
I can say. Yeah, yeah, um me too. I think that.
You know. It's like we've critiqued the show. We watched
the show, and one thing that we try not to
do when we watch it is like we've both been

(52:43):
on the show. We've been on the Bachelor, We've been
on Bachlorettes. Listen to your heart is something totally different,
as we talked about at the top of the interview
with you. But one thing Beccan and I try to
do when we when we critique the show when we
podcast is we don't want to assume certain things like, oh,
that happened when I was the Bachelorette, because it's a
totally different season, different contestants, different stories, different people. But

(53:08):
sadly what happens is that we critique the show, we
haven't been like, well, like we talk about you, Oh
my gosh, Julia has the best voice. Oh my god,
what the hell is Julia doing right now? Why is
she talking to Savani like that way? Like to be honest, whatever, Yeah,
but we never take it to a point where we're
bullying or encouraging people to do that. And what's so

(53:31):
unfortunate about this experience is that when you're filming a
reality TV show, it's hard. There's so much that is unexpected.
You think you know, but you have no idea, and
it definitely comes off harder than people actually you know,
expect it, expect it to be. And the Internet is
a brutal place. It can take you up so high

(53:52):
and then it can bring you down so low, and
I do understand the whole aspect of if you're going
to accept the praise, you have to accept the criticism.
But it doesn't mean that you have to accept people
attacking you and coming at you, and especially when they
don't really know you. They only know a version of
you as Becca set that they've seen for an hour
and a half to two hours every week. And Becca

(54:14):
and I have experienced to that experience that, and unfortunately
we've both gone through that. So I'm personally and I
know Becca does too. We want to ask you how
you've been and how you've been handling it, because we
understand it's a lot. Well, thank you for having me
today because it's the first time that I've actually been

(54:35):
able to get my act together since all of this started.
I have these have been like some of the darkest days. Honestly,
I just have felt so misunderstood. And you know, I've
been attacked online and I have never experienced cyber bolling

(54:57):
to this level. And I'm not sure or if it's
because of COVID nineteen that people feel like they have
all this anger they want to express and I'm just
the target. But it's been brutal, and I don't wish
this feeling on anyone, And Julie, I will say, I mean,

(55:20):
I want to send you a virtual hug right now,
and anyone that goes through this. As Rache said, like,
you know, when you go on these shows, you set
yourself up to be more open to the criticism and
to the opinions and to the comments. And opinions in
the world are fine, everyone is entitled to that. But
when you're spewing hate and negativity and just attacking others

(55:43):
for being on a TV show, for trying for you,
trying to figure out your life and your relationship and
this musical career, that's not warranted and that's not okay.
And so I'm sorry first and foremost that you've had
to deal with that. I know Rache has had to
deal with that in a major way. And so for
everyone out there, list mean, no, like, stop with that bullying,

(56:03):
stop with that hate. Like trust me, we all have
been getting mean tweets and mean dms and mean comments,
and there's like that. When it crosses that line, it's unacceptable.
It's not okay. And so I'm sorry that you have
to deal with that, and all I can say is
that you know, hopefully you're stronger after this. There's going

(56:25):
to be better days. I remember after my season there
were days where I didn't want to leave the house.
Like you said, I didn't change out of my pajamas.
I was I was scared, I was anxious. I felt
all these negative emotions. And hopefully hopefully that passes, and
hopefully people will listen into this and take this to
heart and realize, like, we're all human, we've all made mistakes,
we've all said stupid things, we've all picked the wrong guy.

(56:48):
We're human, So give everyone a little bit of grace. Yeah,
and I can understand watching it back why people would
message me and be like, what the hell are you thinking?
You know those comments, But when it's taken to the
next level and the scary level that I've been receiving,
that is just I mean, it's just not right. It's

(57:10):
just not right. So have you from it been able
to lean on your friends and family or even other
castmates that were on the show that I'm sure are
dealing with this as well. How are you dealing with
all of this? Yeah, I'm so grateful for my castmates. Um,
Jamie Rudy and I really grew very close through this
and mel and you know, because Jamie and Rudy are

(57:37):
also main components of the show. Like they've been getting
love and hate too. You know, it's no one's immune
to getting that that hate. So it's been nice to
be able to lean on them. I have been leaning
on my friends and family, you know, I have been
getting love, and I'm so grateful for that. It is
just unbelievable how much louder the hate feels, even if

(58:00):
it's even less than the love. Yeah, it's it's human nature.
You know. You can people can say ninety nine good things,
but that one bad thing stands out honestly, and I
truly say this from my heart. Welcome to Bachelor Nation.
I mean it is a gift and it is a curse.
They will hug you with one arm and stab you

(58:22):
with a knife in the other. And it's just kind
of like you're in this the sorority fraternity now, like
there are other people that you can lean on, even like,
thank goodness you have you know, Jamie and Rudy and
Mao like you mentioned, but there are other people who
understand what you're going through as well. You're not alone.
I think it's great that you can fall on the
sword and say, look, I get it. I'm wondering what

(58:45):
I was doing and what I was thinking in those
moments too. We were too, We had those questions to ask.
But what's the point of asking them when you're willing
to say, listen, I messed up and and and you know,
like my bad. I made a mistake and I'd like
to make amends for it. So oh, go ahead, Becca,
Oh well, I was gonna say, plain and to welcome
to bat O nation. You know what, don't worry because

(59:06):
in a week or two weeks, some other drama is
gonna happen and people are gonna hate on whoever said
or did whatever and totally forget about what you did.
So it's very short lived. I know, it seems like
it's never ending right now. You probably seem like you're
at the lowest point. But it will get better. And
you have your cast mates, you have raged in idealin

(59:27):
on any advice, like we're all here, um. But it
won't last long, I promise, thank you. I'm looking towards
the light. Yeah, Sickle, it's it's so quick. They'll forget
about it. But I just keep singing, keep on putting
those bang or vocals out there, and everyone will forget
about it. We do want to ask you before we

(59:48):
let you go, Like, there's ups and there's downs, but
there's so much that you gain from this experience that
so many other people don't get to go through. So
what's the greatest lesson that you've learned from this entire journey? Um? Wow,
I think I have finally learned that I need to

(01:00:11):
accept the love that I deserve. Mm. Girl, I learned
that too on my journey on the show, and I
got married. So I'm so excited for you. No, it's
it's it's so true when you have gone through not
turn this into a therapy session, but you never know
what you're going to get from bast what happy are.
But when you have gone through it and you finally

(01:00:35):
learned that just because you've experienced it nine times, that
doesn't mean that that tenth time that you can't finally
accept what it is that you deserve and what's right
for you because you think you feel a little selfish.
But it's okay. So I'm from Texas. I so look
forward to seeing you in Austin because I know that's
my shared Hobably he's listening. That's a great city then, yeah,

(01:01:05):
but it's great that you've come from this and you've
learned something, yeah from it. And please, in the future,
whatever happens, whether it's with Sheridan or someone else, keep
us updated because we would love to hear about your
life and your upcoming musical endeavors and love endeavors and everything.
Thank you, Thank you both so much. Thanks no Bridge.

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I must say I am very happy that we finally
had her on, because you know, we all have our opinions,
but it's good to finally hear her side of things,
the good and the bad, the pretty and the ugly,
and so I'm glad to get her point of view,
her take. And it's hard to hearing what she's now
having to deal with, but hopefully everyone out there listening

(01:01:46):
to this can take it to heart and realize that again,
this is a TV show, it's fleeting, and she's just
trying to do what's best for her. Yeah, I'm glad
we had her on when we had her on. If
we had had her on right this show started, she
wouldn't have seen how things have played out because she
would have had her version, but it's a totally different
thing to see it, and she's had the time to

(01:02:09):
watch it, to learn from it, to grow from it,
and that's what's what we got on the podcast today.
So I thought that was beautiful. I mean, listen, like,
like we told her, listen, we've talked about you a
certain way on this show. There's no bullying, but we're
trying to understand your actions and how you were moving
throughout this show. But there was no reason to go

(01:02:30):
there once she owns up to it, and I hope
that everyone who's listening, you know, because this episode that
you watch today is a lot and it's gonna make
you even go down even more a darker, deeper path
with Julia. But if you listen to this podcast, you'll
understand her a little bit more and you'll let that
go and you'll realize people make mistakes along the way

(01:02:53):
and you just have to allow them to do it.
And we do it, Yeah, we all, and we all
hopefully can grow It. Sounds like she has and she's,
like you said, she's kind of falling on her sword
and taking responsibility for certain things that did play out.
I'm just glad that she realized that she but also
anyone out there needs to find herself a Sheridan and

(01:03:16):
not a Brandon. Yes, like, ladies, it took me until
I was thirty. Now, granted I'm glad it did because
I met Brian because of it. But don't think that
you have to continue to accept to be treated badly.
You don't. You're better than that. You deserve more than that.
It's not okay, it's not acceptable. I don't care if
every man that you've ever dated just treated you that way.

(01:03:39):
It's not okay. And if we excuse it, then men
will continue to behave this way because they will think
it's okay. So don't give them a pass. Don't allow
them to do that. We deserve better. Rise up you nite.
I am a woman. Hear me, roar I love this

(01:03:59):
because all but everything you're saying right now plays perfectly
into our next guest, Shaggy. And you know we all
know his song. It wasn't me. You know we'll get
into that um. But yes, it's no You're worth ladies
and gentlemen out there know what you deserve. You know, Listen,

(01:04:22):
we've all gone back to the mistake. We've all been there,
We've all gotten. The bad boy that we know isn't
good for us. But you're better than that. You're better
than that, Rachel. This was a great therapy session. But
we do have one more guest. Let's turn today, Let's
turn it up, and we're gonna do a complete one eighty.
I can't be more excited to talk to this mega

(01:04:43):
talented Grammy winning artist. He is I will say the
essence of good vibes and it's the twentieth I can't
believe I'm saying this, but the twentieth anniversary of his
hit album Hot Shot, and you can see him as
a guest performer on next week's Listen to Your Heart. So,
ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, it's Shaggy, Yeah, mister
boom Bastick, very fantastic, Well, Shaggy first and foremost, thank

(01:05:08):
you for being here. I'm sure about sure happy. Our
listeners are so excited to hear from you. And just
to start it off, obviously it's no surprise we're all
in quarantine. So how has it been going for you
these days? It's been cool, man. I didn't think it
was going to run as smooth as it did, you know,
I just came off a tour in the UK with
myself and Nelly and even all of us, and they

(01:05:31):
had just we got to New York a day before
they closed the borders in the UK, and I wanted
to go home to Jamaica, to my home where you know,
my wife, kids and dogs are in the early cases
of the COVID in Jamaica were from British tourists, so
they had suggested that I probably wait out the fourteen

(01:05:52):
days and then go in and in waiting it out,
they closed the borders, so I am stuck here in
New York. New York is ground zero, so I'm at
my home here. But it's you know, my housekeepers don't
show up, my um assistance don't show up. So it's
really me. I'm starting to learn to I got a

(01:06:13):
cook I got a laundry, I'm folding. It's you know,
it's it's kind of crazy, man, but it's it's really
worked out. It's quite a wake up call for me
to let me know that if something. I'm very proud
of myself. I've I've been I've been surviving. Yeah, sounds
like you're becoming a jack of all trades with cooking
and cleaning and all the things. Yeah, I'm actually I'm
also doing I'm a one man show and doing promo

(01:06:36):
and I've been doing these promos, uh for the last
six weeks. I got my whole set up. I've been
moving around. Good thing. I'm actually quarantined here because my
recording studio is also house. I have two rooms and
this is one of the main rooms. So I keep
moving things around just to you know, get a different feel.
And it has worked out well so far. Oh yeah,

(01:06:57):
so we're making music. You sound like me Shaggy. I'm like,
oh my god, I have to cook, I have to clean.
What is this what I'm used to being on the
road too. So, speaking of experiences, you were on Listen
to your Heart a Bachelor franchise show. What do you
know about the Bachelor? Have you? Are you a fan
of The Bachelor of the Bachelorette? I have. I've actually

(01:07:17):
caught a couple of episodes here and there. I can
say I religiously watch it, because I don't religiously watch
any show because I'm always in a different continent and
a you know, a different week whatever. It is, so
constantly touring. Uh, but um, you know, I like the
whole concept of it, you know what I mean, And
you know, it's really cool that you know, these these

(01:07:39):
contestants could get an opportunity, you know, to actually show
showcase their talent and and get it out there. Yeah,
how was your experience on the show. It was cool.
My scene was kind of just film in the in
the club. I I was really taking a back somewhat
of how enthusiastic the audience was. They were really really

(01:08:01):
pumped up and really into it, and it was great. Obviously,
you know, Brave Bond was there with me, Spice as
a superstar herself, so she had some fans in there,
and it was really really good just to rocket and
then play these amazing classic that everybody just knew, you know,
and of course, you know, you know, we had you know,
the Loving Couple come on stage and just you know,

(01:08:25):
kind of grace us with their president. So yeah, it
was kind of it was it was a good vibe. Yeah. Well,
I mean, you are known for putting on these great performances,
these great shows. You have just such a great energy
when you do perform and get on that stage. So
what is one of your secrets? I guess that you
could share with the world or share with these couples
that are now on. Listen to your heart for giving
and putting on such a great show. I should say

(01:08:47):
what what the main thing I always say, and especially
in going on, It's like being a DJ, and I
was a DJ before I even started. You know, um
to to to perform live, you gotta go in and
read that audience. Every audience you go to. You know
what I mean. You have all these artists the more
time with Femina Tour, and they're six artists. You know,

(01:09:07):
I go out and watch their their show because I'm
getting to read of the type of crowd. It is
what they respond to, whate a their vibe is. And
I'll change my set list right as I go on.
That's why you know it's good to have my band
because if I go left, they go left, I go right,
they go right. It's reading that crowd. It's figuring the
type of crowd. You're not gonna go and do like

(01:09:28):
you know, an acoustic guitar type of performance in a
nightclub when everybody is half drunk and popping and popping off.
You know, you got to change your game up at
that point. You know what I mean to get that
audience pumping their fists and get in and talk certain
little things, say certain little things to get your audience interested.

(01:09:50):
Especially if you're an artist that don't have really big hits,
then do some other someone else's big hit. But it's
the way that you deliver it. You know they'll know that.
But the way you deliver it why you set it up.
It just like a DJ was set a record up.
That's what works. It's you connecting with that audience on
a personal level and letting them buy into you, and

(01:10:11):
all that goes out to you reading the reading the audience.
So I suggest that any any artists going out there
to perform, before you go on the stage, go out there.
If there's artists before you go, check it out. We'll
look at the audience, go feel it out and then
kind of bring you earler to show. And don't be
scared to move things around at last minute, man, because
you might see something that just really connects. Yeah, speaking

(01:10:33):
of connections, what did you think about the connection of
the couple that you have to work with on the show.
Since this show is about the music, but also about
the chemistry within the with the couples too. One thing
I noticed when they came on stage, and that's without
me watching the episode, are doing anything. They couldn't They
couldn't keep their hands off each other, which is good. Um.

(01:10:53):
You know, they were they they were they looked like
they were in love, you know what I mean. They
kept me even when we're bear rocking and dancing, you know,
he kept holding her hands. It was just that kind
of a vibe. And I was really really you know,
um pleased to see that they actually interacted like that.
They really was feeling each other, vibing each other. And

(01:11:14):
when I went back to talk to them, man, I
kind of I kind of got what I really love
is uh you know, the guy was literally telling uh,
the girl. He was telling this girl, he was complimenting
her the whole time through the conversation. You know, he
was you know that is that is cool. And he's
a singer too, you know what I'm saying, So he's

(01:11:36):
not trying to hog uh the spotlight in any way.
He's he's literally compliments Oh man, this one right here.
She you know man, she is oh you know what
I mean? Yeah, I admire things like that, you know
what I mean, because he's you know, you could tell
at this point, and she took the compliment of course,
but at the same time she was like, uh, you
know you were you know, you're such here, so you're

(01:11:58):
great too, You're so you know, I'm I mean I
loved all of that, you know, Yeah, I appreciate that. Well.
I like that you picked up on that because and
this is something that we've asked not only the contestants
that were on this show, but also the different judges
that we have on the podcast as well. Um, we
always ask if they've dated musicians in the past, and
it's always like this fifty fifty split vote. Half of

(01:12:19):
them have and they say that it works and that
you have this really special bond and connection through music
and just a whole new realm of emotions that that
music can bring. And then half of them say it's
too crazy, they wouldn't recommend it, can't do it again. Um,
So for you, Shaggy, have you ever dated another musician?
I wouldn't. I don't know if I would say dated

(01:12:46):
looked up, yes, you know, that's a whole different situation.
I don't. You know, I don't think I've dated. Don't
want to get into that dinner that is break we
break bread? Um about to me dating with musicians. I'm

(01:13:08):
not saying that it cannot work. You find a lot
of people who have done it, and they have done
it very well and it has worked very well for them. Um.
You know, it takes a lot of trust because when
you're in the entertainment business, there's a lot of things
that come at you, you know what I mean. There's
you know, and if you're successful, there's going to be
screaming groupies. You know. Um. It's very hard for females

(01:13:28):
also in the industry because you know, it's it's most
of the time they're not taken seriously, you know what
I mean. And because it's such a male dominated feel
that and when a female comes into the picture, these
guys got one thing on their minds, so it's hard
for that female to actually be about her business. And
I say to every female when they go in there,

(01:13:50):
if you go in there with that poker face on
and say hey, I'm about my business, that will follow through.
They will fall into line, you know what I'm saying, Um,
And you just got to know how to play your
game and get in there. So as couples going into
it and you're gonna find challenges, You're gonna stumble on challenges,
you know, But if you want to make it working,

(01:14:11):
you guys are committed to they're committed to each other,
then I have no doubt that you have a shot
at it. Yeah. Yeah, I want to change it up
a little bit and start talking to you about this
twentieth anniversary of the legendary album hot Shot. I feel like,
you know, an album, an album passes the test of

(01:14:32):
time when you can know exactly where you were when
the album came out and you started jamming the songs.
For me with hot Shot, I was just learning to drive,
so I was blaring it in the car, trying to
focus on the road, but sing the songs. It wasn't me,
Love Me, Love Me Angel. I mean, now that you're
rereleasing this and you have these amazing collaborations, I think

(01:14:53):
I read this Sting is gonna is on it as well.
Tell us a little bit about it and what we
can expect from it. Well, you know, this album was
such an iconic album in a sense that Hot Shot
was the album that moved the needle as far as
the genre, as far as dance all is concerned. You know,
mainstream radio did not play Dance All in two thousand

(01:15:15):
a lot what hot Shot did because it was such
a phenomenal record and the single Wasn't Me was so dynamic,
and it broke so many borders. It crossed all of
the musical barriers. You know, you couldn't have put it
into a box. It literally all radio formats played it,

(01:15:35):
so it actually made Dan saw music become acceptable to
mainstream radio. And to commemorate that, and it's old diamond,
you know, it was over ten million records sold, so
it's the only diamond selling them Dance All album ever.
So to commemorate the success of it, we decided to

(01:15:56):
put out a Hot Shot twenty twenty version. But I
didn't want to just do that album track for track
and word for word, so I decided to, hey, why
don't we take the first five most stream songs from
the album, which are the singles Angel, Wasn't Me, Lovely
Love Me, and of course you know, songs like um,
Keeping It Real and the title track hot Shot. Then

(01:16:18):
we put Ray Van who sang Angel initially, to sing
it wasn't Me, you know, and then put Sting to
sing Angel because we sang it on tour when we're
doing for four eight seventy six, and that's one of
his favorite joints. And then we did like four new songs,
you know. We covered Electric Avenue by Eddie Grant, We
covered Buckingham Palace by Peter Tush. We also did a

(01:16:40):
new song with me in this thing called prema Vera.
And then we throw some other goods in there. How
about throwing mister Bombastic in there, yeah, like and throwing
songs like Oh Carolina, Strength of a Woman, a sexy lady,
but giving them a more up to date twenty twenty
sound where the picks or drops sonically it's really in there,

(01:17:02):
and it wasn't me. We kept to the authenticity of
the original track, right because those songs are let's facing,
they're still recurrent in today's generation. But we changed when
once my part came came in. We changed the drums
to a more dance all drum because back in them
days where we did the original, it was really a
hip hop beat that it was on, and we and

(01:17:23):
Rick rock Stein and R and B Melody, the only
dance all was what was the cadence is that I did?
Which was which was the patois, you know what I mean.
So we just put the dance all drums on the
patua because for us, if we if reggae was playing
dance all, that's probably what we would have done back then.
And now dance all is now. You know the soundtrack
of today's music, you know it would spawn such such

(01:17:46):
genres as reggaeton you know what I mean, and afrobeat,
you know, reggae itself, I mean, hip hop itself was
too cool. Herb was formed to dance all and reggae.
So it's just a celebration all around where that project
is concerned. And you know, it's it's perfect for quarantine.
It makes you feel like you're on vacation. It's full
of sunshine and and and a lot of fun. And

(01:18:09):
these songs are just classics that everybody knows. You know
what else, it wasn't Me? Did it gave me a
cop out? Shaggy, it gave them a cop out? Thinking ye,
that's well, you know, I disagree with you on that.
There's a big misconception because everybody think that it Wasn't

(01:18:30):
Me was a cheater song. Yes, but it really wasn't.
Because if you if if you listen to the song
down to the ender's an apology. He says, I'm going
to tell her that I'm sorry for the things that
I've done. You might think that you're a player, but
you're completely lost. Simpler means that the player, right, the
guy that cheated, didn't take the advice of the player,

(01:18:51):
even though he was saying just tell her it wasn't me.
Just you know, it was like, dude, you're an idiot.
I'm going to go apologize to my girl because what
you're doing, and you could not have a better message, right.
No couples during that time say hey, this ain't right.
But because it was such a club jam, you know
what I mean, and everybody was saying it was right,

(01:19:12):
it wasn't. Nobody listened to the record down to the end,
so they miss the apology altogether. And it was like, yo, Shaggy, oh,
that guy cheater, he just he just go sign on
every cheat is out there that he gives them a
cop out. Really, ladies, calm down. I was saying, hey,

(01:19:33):
it's wrong, even though I was the guy that played
the bad part, and but thank you for setting the
record straight. You know, I think the real question is
will there be music videos accompanied with this album and
will you be auditioning for dancers? But we always get dancers.
It's it's it's it's inevitable. Dancers are are are? You know?

(01:19:56):
They bring the live to the show man, they bring
they bring that energy, you know. Big up to Tenisia
Scott who started with us when we when we were
doing um the Hotshot project back in them days, and
she's now one of the best choreographers around Choo choreogra Chance. Okay,
that's really what I needed to know. Absolutely we have

(01:20:16):
he'll be doing some videos and all of that. Well, Shaggy,
I will say even I think it was like two
weeks ago I was listening to it wasn't Me and
my fiance and I did a little compilation with our dog.
So of course we set her up like on on
the counter on the Yeah you see her, we did,

(01:20:39):
Oh I did It's I will say, I think I'm
not trying to like be biased here, but I will
say my dogs one of the cutest dogs, so it
was one of the better ones. Yeah, I'm just saying
that right, but um she I think she uh felt
very threatened by us video taping her to the song
and so um she went up PTSC when she here's

(01:21:00):
the song. But for me, I love it. It's one
of the classets. It's never to go to style. So
I'm so glad that you're rereleasing the album. Well, it's great.
You know, TikTok was a big help on that too.
You know everybody who were doing these these these TikTok
videos with their dogs and you gotta you gotta DM
me and your your pub so I know which one
it is so good. People send him to me all

(01:21:20):
the time, and I was like, wow, this thing just
takes the life of of its own. We got the
shower cap on her in the shower with the fake
water running. We did it all. So m I got
a question, though, is this a trend that everybody is
in there in their closet. This is our recording studio.
It's not as great as yours. Yeah, it's what the

(01:21:44):
best sound quality? Oh god, okay, I got you, So
you don't hear the echoing? I got you, right, okay,
So loud in the loving room got to get away
from him. Well, you know what, I've done a couple
of interviews overseas in the UK, and they're all in
their closet too, and I was wondering, Wow, okay, you know,
but okay, you explain it. We like to call it

(01:22:05):
our iso booths. Yeah yeah, not quite un par with yours.
But yeah, yeah, I'm lucky, I mean one of those
professional ones. Well, Shaggy, thank you so much for doing
this interview. We're so excited to see you on the show.
We're so excited to hear what new music you're gonna have.
You can't see him right now, but he is sitting
in the studio. He is ready to go. I think

(01:22:27):
that's what's so special about Quarantine is it allows people
to be creative, you know, because we're stuck. We're at home.
You know, there's not much you can do. So anyways,
we are excited to see you on the show. Thank
you so much for doing us. Thank you, thanks, thanks
for having me, and thanks for sharing your platform. All
the best you guys. Of course, thanks Shaggy. I really
enjoyed him. I forgot you did the Quarry video. I mean,

(01:22:50):
I met some comment to you on that that was
the funniest thing that I've seen. You know how I
feel about TikTok, Well, no, I know, and so when
we were doing where Minno is traumatized from us doing
that to her. But it was so funny because we
didn't what like two weeks ago, And then when I
found out who we were talking to today, Garrett was

(01:23:11):
like down in their garage and I'm yellow from the belcony,
like Garrett, Garrett, guess who we're talking to. And He's like,
no effing way, you're talking to Shaggy. So that was
really fun to have him. No, it was fun. He
was great, Like, there's so much depth, you know, his
career has really passed the test of time. He's I mean,
like Boom mister Boom Boston came out in nineteen ninety five,

(01:23:35):
which means he was before then because that's not even
his first album. So it's just the fact that he's
really I can't believe Hotshot is twenty years old. That
makes me feel old because I'm like, yeah, I was
learning to drive then, how you Becca, I well, I
was in middles Actually, no, no, no, no. I remember
when Angel came out. My best friend in sixth grade

(01:23:59):
was obsessed with that song, like to the point where
she would that's the only song she would play on
repeat on like our Sony Discman or whatever it was
that we used back then. So yeah, sixth grade. I
was how old is that? Eleven? Twelve? Right? Yeah? Yeah,
yeah old enough. But my question is, okay, you've seen
the movie uh, Never Been Kissed right with Drew Barrymore

(01:24:23):
Love It. You know the scene where she eats the
brownie at the club and she takes that like the
feather boa and she's like running through her legs. Is
that to one of Shaggy songs? I don't remember the song.
I gotta go back. I feel like it has to be,
but I'm gonna go back and where you watch it?
But like, I don't know why. When we were talking
to him and listening to him, I'm like picturing that

(01:24:45):
scene of her with like the boa in between her Now,
then I hope that that's the case that she said that.
I wanted to tell him that he was on one
of my planes, but I was like, I'm gonna sound
like such a creeper. You should because I'm like, I
love I love reggae music and dance on music, so
you know, I wanted to be like, you know, mister
love a LoVa, And I was like, well, is that rude?
Is that rude and he calls himself that song. I

(01:25:08):
feel like he would have appreciated it, Rache. You should
have Brian, I would have been like, who are you
talking to? Excuse me? No, that was great. Love these
interviews that were able to do with such iconic you know,
musicians in the industry. It's it's really amazing they get
to do this exactly how to get their take. I mean,

(01:25:28):
like you said, he's been around for a bet and
he knows this industry probably better than anyone. So to
hear him talk about how just even within the world
and his genre has changed, it's so interesting to me.
So hopefully our listeners can take something from that, if
anything else. I cannot wait to listen to this re
released album right and for him to just casually say, yeah,

(01:25:50):
you know I was coming back from tour with E
that got sting on the album. Okay, you better name
drop Shaggy, better let us know the circles that you
run it, acting like it's no big deal, but like,
oh yeah, I just hung out in Europe with Nelly,
but now I'm stuck in New York and your recording studio. Yeah, yeah,
if you live in the life live in the life. Well,
I had so much fun today. I know you did too.

(01:26:11):
Becca was so cool to talk to our guests recap
the show, and it's always you know, we just have
such a blast with this opportunity and this platform to
be able to talk to such big celebrity names that
are coming on this show. I mean, the Bachelor. There's
nothing like it. There's nobody doing anything what the Bachelor
franchise is doing, from love to music to drama. Nobody
does it better. It just keeps getting bigger and better

(01:26:33):
every single week. And we can't wait for you guys
to see what's next because the drama doesn't stop, the
celebrity judges don't stop, the love doesn't stop. So coming
up next week, we've got four remaining couples that head
to Las Vegas to perform and we get four date cards,
which is always fun. We get to see four couples,
we get to see their love progress or maybe not

(01:26:56):
from the previews that we've seen from this week or
this come up week. Then we have the new judges.
We've got Ashley Simpson Ross her husband Evan Ross. We've
got Pat Monahan from the band Train, We've got Lauren
and Ari, and we get to see an awesome performance
by Shaggy, and as always, we've got that perfect balance
of drama, of music and love. It's all that we

(01:27:18):
need right now, Rachel, I can't wait. I mean, there's
parts of next week that I could probably bypass, but
most of it I can't wait for. I am loving
the show, So listeners, don't forget to tune into new
episodes of Listening to Your Heart every Monday, eight seventh
Central on ABC. Now it's crazy because I can't believe
but there's only two episodes left. I'm I'm already feeling

(01:27:41):
a little bit sad because I've loved this show so
much and like each week it's just grown on me.
But it's going by quickly. You know, the couples are
dwining allion down, so we're gonna, of course, continue to
break it down from those last two episodes for you all,
So please don't forget to follow along. We love to
hear from you guys, So keep commenting, keep liking, keep
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