December 26, 2023 • 30 mins
Holme Pierrepont Hall is home to some impressive family heritage. To talk us through his family history is Robert Brackenbury!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On this episode, we're at Home, Sweet Home peer Point Hall,
a medieval manor house situated in a secluded thirty acre
estate in the beautiful surroundings of Nottinghamshire. Home to the
Pierpoint family since twelve eighty, it's now a popular wedding
venue and was once used as a training base for
young soldiers in the Second World War. But these young
men aren't the subject of today's episode. We're here to
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learn about Home peer Point Hall's most famous and formidable
women guiding us through bravery, rebellion and nudity. Is this man.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I'm Robert Brackhambury and I'm from the home pier Pont Hall.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
After we got to know each other, I don't know
if you do you read Nuts magazine.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I'm not a great reader of Nuts magazine.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Now we talked about the house itself, which gave me
the opportunity to regurgitate a phrase i'd read on Wikipedia
in the hopes of sounding educated. I'll let you be
the judge on how it went down. It's a Tudor
manor house, yep, a castilated facade.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
That's a whole the whole area is castellated. It was
built by Sir William Pierrepont, who married one of Henry
the sevenths tax collector's daughters. Can you see where I'm
leading on this one? Because one of Henry the seventh
tax collectors didn't necessarily give all he collected back to
the king. He kept quite a lot for himself, so
that was quite a shrewd marriage. So he was did
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quite well in that one. And that's that was who
built the house, so he was able to put quite
a lot of work into it.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Is that a family trait that's been passed down the generations?
Are you all quite conniving?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Definite?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I pay my taxes on time.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And let's have that known on the podcast. Any listeners
in taxes are paid on time? Here they are one.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And you also mentioned about the thirty acres well, there
used to be a huge estate here. The estate encompassed
quite a lot of Nottingham and west Bridgeford. When it
was sold in nineteen forty one, there was about twelve
one thousand acres. A lot had been sold before that,
so the only thing that didn't sell in nineteen forty
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one was the house with the grounds around it. So
actually the house sits quite comfortably in a landscape of
thirty acres, so at least you know, if there's building
all around you, you'll have that thirty acre sort of.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Oh yeah, I don't think anyone would yet. But which
is a great space. There's definitely there's definitely, it's definitely roomy.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I mean, it is big, but when you go for
a walk round, the nice thing about it, what people
say is that it feels quite homely, and it does
feel you're you're in rooms that are not too big
and feel comfortable. And that's what a lot of the
feedback I've got is that we're not trying to be
too grand and we're not in our own way. I mean,
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I like to think I'm quite approachable and I get
on with everybody, and we work all as a team here.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I really want to know some of the scandals of
all the weddings that have happened here, because Bridezilla's are
a thing. I've been to a few weddings myself where
there's been some proper kickoffs.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Well, I think we've been all right here really, but
we have had some interesting guests. I mean, I remember
there was one time when Barbara Windsor turned up and
I thought, wow, that's somebody I know, and she just
turned up. Well she was a guest at a wedding.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I'm lost.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
She came to a wedding pub and yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then and then there were other actors, and they
all seem to be in the bill. Have you noticed this?
There was this, There was this time when you go
to the theater and you discovered they've done a few
episodes of the bill.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yes, it was always a fellow played by this man
who was in casualty and the bill.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
So and this wedding, we were all recognizing these these
similar actors.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It was a I bet the speeches were good. If
everyone was an actor, it should have been absolutely cracking speeches. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, there is a trait of formidable women in your family.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Going back through the history, there seems to be.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, let's go to the earliest ones, the ones who
can't hunt us down and scold us for talking bad
about them, and then we'll get to the more risky
ones later. But yeah, let's go right back to the beginning.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Well, I think the fact that Sir William Pierpont married
one of Henry the Sims tax collectors daughters was a
pretty good one. But if we go a bit further forward.
We've got the first Duke of Kingston, who had a
daughter called Lady Mary Pierpont, and she was a great
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writer and travel and she married somebody called Edward Workley Montague,
and I suppose she was one of the first feminists really,
and she married him and it wasn't approved of necessarily
by her family, and she thought, well, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
What do they disapprove of?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Well, the fact that she decided that she was going
to marry somebody who she wanted to marry.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Oh, and she had a choice, yeah, because back in
the day women get told what to do. But Mary
was very absolutely no, I'm choosing.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I'm choosing. And then she married Edward Workley Montague and
they ended up in Istanbul because he was ambassador in Constantinople,
now in Istanbul. So when Lady Mary Pierrepont was in Turkey,
she discovered the small pox inoculation because the people in
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that part of the world were inoculate their children against
small pox, and she realized what it was doing in
this country and the effect it had on the population,
and that if you got it, you either lived after
five days or you died. So it was pretty drastic.
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And so she was instrumental in bringing back an inoculation.
And you've got to remember, an inoculation is different to
a vaccination. You're putting the small pox in under the
skin and you're trying to start an immunity, and she
was instrumental in starting that. And then there were people
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like Edward Jenna who came along and they completed the journey,
but they needed Lady Mary to start the journey. And
the point is is that Edward Jenna got all the
credit because he completed the journey and Lady Mary slightly
got forgotten about.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
So, just so I understand this correctly, Lady Mary decided
she would scrape some of the smallpox puss and then
stick it in her own child, which sounds outrageous, but
it worked, or at least set up the start of
what we now call the vaccine exactly. Next up, we've
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got a woman I'm quite excited to talk about, and
this is Elizabeth Chuddley. Now, could you just give us
the rundown of this woman.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well, she was quite a woman.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
You said that with a smile on your face.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Well, it was a real knowing grin a lot of
people don't know about her, and a lot that has
been written about her, and recently a book was published
about her called Duchess Countess because it is a very
good story. Her father was involved at the Royal Hospital
at Chelsea for a while, so that's where she lived
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and then he died. She was quite a party girl
and she was known in the social scene and she
would get to meet lots of different people, and she
was very good at networking and communicating, and she got
to know somebody eventually called Augustus Harvey, who was the
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son of Lord Bristol, the Earl of Bristol, and they
got together and they got married, and they married sort
of in secret, and there were very few witnesses to
the marriage. But actually I want to start earlier than that,
because she would go to these balls, and there was
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one famous ball that she went to, and behind you
there is a print of her. Oh this topless woman,
of this topless woman in a sea through dress.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
So I'm currently holding a picture of a semi naked
missus Chudley. It says here dated seventeen forty nine, the
third of October, So you know, approaching winter. This doesn't
look like traditional winter garb for a ball. What's the
dress she's half wearing? Is that would have been a
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ball gown? Yeah? Yeah? And I sort of headscarf up
here and flowers in her hair. What ball is she attending?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So she was attending the masquerade ball for the jubilee
celebrations of George the Second. It was a big deal,
a big ball, and the fact that they did Prince
just shows what a big deal it was. She was
trying to make a point.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
What was the point she was trying to make?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I think she was trying to be noticed.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Well, I think she did that. She's very much like
the Jordan of her day. Did she arrive at the
ball like this or did she sort of undressed when
she was at the ball? Or was this just no,
she's getting out the carriage.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I'm slightly guessing here, but I suspect that she probably
had something over her and then arrived in the ball
looking like that. I think she was quite a controversial figure,
and I think she was just sort of making a
name for herself, and I think it's quite extraordinary.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
There must have been a bunch of guys who were like, well,
this won't do, we can't have this. Well, she'll be
banned from the rest of the balls.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
There must have been, but she seemed to get herself
out there, and she continued on because she was involved
with the royal family. She was, I suppose it, were
a lady in waiting, and she was very much keeping
herself in the public eye, and that was I suppose
part of her character. And the fact that she married
somebody and then instantly regretted it, which was Augustus Harvey.
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They got married with very few people knowing about it,
in the dark, it seems inner church, and they got
a vicar together, and then as soon as they got married,
they instantly regretted it, and she then got on with
her life. He got on with his life. He went
off to see She carried on doing what she did.
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And then a few years later she then meets up
with the Duke of Kingston, and everybody believes that they
were in love, and she decides, or they both decide,
that they're going to get married, and she conveniently forgets
that she married Augustus Harvey, and she conveniently forgets that
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she never got divorced. And so I think there were
a few whispers going around that something was going on.
But anyway, they lived at Thorsby, which is in north Ossinghamshire,
And incidentally, she came to Home Pierpont once and she
swore she'd never come back because of the churchyard next door.
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She thought of her own mortality, so she didn't really
like Home Pierrepont because of the churchyard.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
She seems like a woman who was more a live
in the moment sort of woman rather than think of
the consequences.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think we're getting that. They're
getting that feel. And anyway, she lived at Thorsby and
they were happily married, and they didn't have any children,
but the Duke of Kingston, who was quite a fancy man.
He was very good looking. Incidentally, he was the one
who introduced the cricket to Nottinghamshire, so we've got a
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lot to thank him for very much. So trent Bridge
down the road wouldn't be there in the same way
if it wasn't for him. So he was, he was
very good looking, and they were all in love. And
then suddenly he dies and he leaves his entire estate
to Elizabeth. The nephews, as you can imagine, were thinking, hello,
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what's going on here? I think we might not get
a look in. Yeah, so they decided to ferryt about
because they'd heard about the marriage with Augustus Harvey. And
she was tried for bigger me in Westminster Hall because
her nephew, Charles Meadows did all the digging. And she
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was tried for bigger me in the Great Westminster Hall
where the Queen lay in state and the Queen mother
and Charles the first trial took place, so all that history.
It's an amazing place.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
What sort of outfit did she turn up to for
the hearing?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Well, actually she was quite modest. I think there's a
print of her I've seen with her all in black,
wearing a black dress, and she was looking very demure
as it were, and.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
There's one nipples showing people know it's definitely her.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
None none of that, And seats were exchanging tickets at
last price.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I think people were going for a well, anyway, this
woman's going to court. Do you want to go and
see this? Yeah? I think I probably will.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And they were all a bit disappointed by all the
legal formalities of things. Quite what they wasn't quite what
they were expecting, and the Dutchess of Devonshire brought her,
brought her picnic lunch with her so that she could
stay there and keep an eye on what was going on.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Was like pims and sandwiches, just in a pew by
the side.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It's to say she was so they were all there.
It was. It was a sellout. And at that same
time we were fighting America because everybody was trying to
keep hold of America as a colony, colonies and the colonies.
But it took America off the front pages. It was
that big a celebrity trial as it were at that time.
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Oh wow, And it was really the talk of the town.
And we forget that now. And she was found guilty,
and because she was a peariss, she escaped prison and
she escaped to Russia. And she was so annoyed with
her family, well with her husband's family, that she took
all the best stuff with her to Russia. And she
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became a friend of Catherine the Great and Potemkin. And
it was always thought that the peacock clock in the
Hermitage in Russia belonged to the Duchess of Kingston, but
now we think Petemkin was the one that commissioned it.
But with the help of the Duchess of Kingston, who
had all the contacts of the right silversmiths. So and
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now the problem is none of us can go to
Russia to see it.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Gives an idea of the type of people who had
been at this ball. Would the king have been in attendance.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I think the king would have been in attendance, and
it would have been all the great and the good
of society and all the title people of that day,
or all the aristocracy and all that sort of thing.
So they were the movers and shakers at that time,
so they would have That's why it got out there.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah. I mean I went to meet my mum and
dad at the Army and Navy Club the other week
and I couldn't get in without a tie on.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I find it extraordinary that somebody got away with it.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, that's it. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It just seems.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Maybe maybe it's just so outrageous that people went she's
probably got permission for that. I have this theory that
if you walk in anywhere with enough confidence, people just go, oh,
they probably not what they're doing. Carrying on the theme
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of formidable women in your family, we're going to talk
about Georgina Brackenbury. Now she was part of the Black
Andberry trio and was jailed many times as part of
the Suffragette movement. And the Suffragettes are an incredible bunch
of women. This is a really, really high stakes time
for ladies. They did some outrageous things and Georgina was
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right at the heart of it. So can you just
talk us through her journey, starting with her going down
to London and how she got involved.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Well, she was in London and she went to the
Slade School of Art and she became a very good
artist and she specialized in portraiture and she then got
involved with painting all sorts of different people. And she
met Emmeline Pankhurst and she painted her picture and her
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picture ended up in the National Portrait Gallery. And at
that time she got involved with the Suffragette movement. And
then they went off, as it were, and joined the
Suffragettes where they were trying to get the women in
the vote. And it was then that she became very
much involved and she was what I would I suppose
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we would refer to in this day and age as
hardcore because she would be blowing up postboxes and if
you remember at the time there was the King's Horse.
I think it was at the Derby where somebody went
under the horse and was killed because they were a suffragette.
They really were going for it, and they really were
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trying to get across that women had to have the votes.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, I mean Pankhurst another formidable women. So these two
women meeting each other, they must have just gotten on immediately.
This is two fiery characters, right.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I get the impression that from what I can gather,
that she was quite a fiery character. I'm god, my
family is absolutely full of them, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I know how you survived this long? You're looking remarkably well.
Can we just paint the pictures of the idea the
sort of stuff they did, say, blow up letter boxes,
ringing bells, chucking themselves in front of horses.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, they were throwing bricks through windows of buildings. I
think they were attacking the police, who were, you know,
turning on them. And they were doing all sorts of
things to make their protest known and to make the headlines.
And they weren't necessarily getting a lot of sympathy from
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a lot of other women, because there were women out
there who were not necessarily agreeing with them, which I
find extraordinary. And there were men who were not agreeing
with them at all because they thought, how dare they
do this sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, I can sort of see how there'd be a
lot of men who would be like, well, we can't
have this, we need to be keeping control. But yeah,
it is quite shocking to think that other women wouldn't.
But I mean, maybe those women are scared. They're in
their own situation, and.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
You don't know who their husbands were. I mean, I
think it was asked with at the time was prime
minister and his wife was not necessarily or follower, but
she was the wife of the prime minister. So you
can see where there was that conflict of interest and
he was thinking one thing, and so how dares she
think another? Possibly, Yeah, I'm only guessing on that one.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
So we've got blowing up some letterboxes, We've got people
jumping in front of horses. And speaking of horses, there
was also a Ogin horse that was used to get
into the House of Commons.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, so the trojan horse was a van and they
got a lot of these suffragettes in the back of
the van and they drove the van up to the
Houses of Parliament and then they raided the houses of Parliament.
Georgina was in this raid, and as it turns out,
my great grandfather was in the House of Commons because
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he was thenp for Louthe at the time, and I
think he was embarrassed by the whole thing because there
was his cousin who was barging in with all these
other women, and it was just too much. You can
imagine the dinner party talk after that one, can't you.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I can imagine. So it was family Christmas around the
table that year. Must have been a bit awkward, going,
so what have you been up to recently? Well, we
didn't have that thing, didn't We were we we stormed
the House of Commons and you were there. Oh god, so.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, So I looking back on it in history, I
think that's fascinating how that all happened. And then the
other thing was Georgina and Maria, who were the two
sisters and their old mother. They lived in something called
mouse Hill, and this was a house where all the
suffragettes would meet and very often they'd have somebody like
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Maria or Georgina sitting in the window and they'd be
they would dress up as Missus Pankhurst and when the
police came by, they would think it was Missus Pankhurst
in the window, and that would give her time to
run away, and then they'd arrest the wrong woman.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
It just shows the sort of commitment of these women
to try and look out for the important ones and
get this over the line, because you know, they're willing
to go to prison, and they're willing to sacrifice themselves
in order to yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah. And the fact to protect the cause, yeah yeah.
And the fact that Georgina gave up painting until women
got the vote for a good number of years shows
how the cause meant so much to her and how
far she was prepared to go.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Because being arrested, that's not a nice comfortable night in
a cell, either, is it. When they got arrested, they'd
also got hunger strikes, they get force fed, they got
brutally treated.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
That there was a there's a film whose name I
can't remember, in which they recount the suffragette story and
when you watch it, you can't believe how the police
treated them, how they were treated in the prisons and
and all this sort of thing. And and then you
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do start to admire them for what they were they
were doing and what they eventually achieved.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
And you say that painting was a bit so important
to Georgina and she gave it up, but then you're
saying she did then eventually take it back up. I'd
love to know what the first thing was that she
painted after all that. I imagine it's some very broad brushstrokes,
just like Ah getting all.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
The I think we can thank Georgina for my great
grandparents meeting because Georgina planted somebody called Florence Mills and
her sister Adelaine, and we've got the pictures in the house,
and we think that my great grandfather met Florence in
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her studio. So if it wasn't for them, I wouldn't
be here type thing.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So she ended up going to prison herself, didn't you.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
She was in Holloway Prison, in the women's prison, and
I wouldn't have thought had a very pleasant time there
because they wouldn't have been treated with any form of respect.
And you've got to admire her for what she had
to cope with in there, because the prison warders would
not They would have been male prison warders, and they
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would have not looked after those those suffragettes.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Is this when the things like the force feeding and
all that sort of stuff happened.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, And we're also we were talking about hunger strikes
and things like that, so they really were taking on
the cause. And whenever I have a group around the house,
she is somebody I always point out because I have
a lot of respect for her.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Thank you so much for having us here, Robert. This
has been absolutely fascinating, even just being in the house
where it has seen so many formidable women. Even the dogs,
even the female dogs, look like they're feisty around here.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Oh yeah, you don't mess with the dogs.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
No. I want to ask you as we wrap up,
if you could go back to any period of the
Home Peer Point Hall's history, when would it be.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I think the period that we have discussed with the
end of the eighteenth century, because actually, when you look
at our civilization and you look at what was achieved
at that time, we had people like Gainsborough, we had
Robert Adam, we had all this architecture. We had the
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Georgians then who built all these amazing houses. It is
a time that we are still making the most of
and we're still able to enjoy their achievements, and I
would hope I would be healthy, because if I wasn't,
I'd be in trouble. I hope I didn't need to
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have my teeth sorted out, because if I needed them
sorted out, I'd be in trouble. There are a few
other things, because there's so much now today we take
for granted. But I would have to be really healthy
to go back to that time.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, yeah, don't go back for a hard operation or
to get your tooth filled. Yeah yeah, I'm going back
to the Georgian period for a root canal probably, and.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Then Elizabethan times it would have been even worse. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
If you were to meet any of the ancestors.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Who have been through these halls, well, somebody we really
haven't talked about much, but it's one of the ancestors
would be the first Duke of Kingston. He was the
fifth Earl of Kingston and he was created the first duke,
so he had to have something about him to be
created a duke in the first place. To talk us
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through this guy, he was called even in Pierrepont, and
he was a member of Parliament and he sat in
the House of Lords. There was a club in London
when he was still Earl of Kingston at the time,
there was a club in London called the Cat Club.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Oh, I've just been to one in Berlin. Is it
similar to that?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
But it was a bit different. I've been reading a
bit about the Cat Club. It was not that raucous
a dinner party. They but I think they were pains
to say that in the thing I was reading about it.
And then there was a and then Godfrey Neller the artist,
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was commissioned to paint all the members of the Kitcat Club.
And actually we keep talking about the National Portrait Gallery.
If you go there, there's a series of paintings that
they have of members of the Kitcat Club and they're
all these the Duke of whatever and the Earl of
whatever and whatever, and so he was obviously well connected.
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And the other thing that he was involved with, which
is quite topical at the moment, he was involved with
as a commissioner on the joining of England and Scotland
as one nation as Great Britain, and he was one
of the commissioners for that. And he also had his portrait,
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as I said, painted by Nella and there was a
series of prints that were made of the kit Kat Club.
It is cat Kit Club's members, and we have one
of the portrait, one of the prints, so you know,
he obviously had something about him. And the fact that
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he was also Lady Mary worked in Montague's father. I
think that's the icing on the cake.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Very good. I mean, I want to see Elizabeth Chuddley
personally just twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I think she'd eat you for dinner.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I'm pretty sure most of you.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Wouldn't survive.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And finally, why should people visit home per Point Hall.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Well, we're a house that has had a continuity since
it was built. There's a lot of history to it.
There are a lot of stories, and a lot of
people have told me it feels very homely and very
cozy and very welcoming, and we are at pains to
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make people feel welcome, and I hope you will have today,
and we have a history that we like to share
with everybody, and as you've heard so far today that
it's quite a history and quite a fun one.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Really, it really is. Thank you very much for having us.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, well know, it's a pleasure to have you and
to see you, and maybe we'll meet again one day.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Maybe maybe you're accepting wedding bookings. We are. I'll try
and find myself a girlfriend and I'll get back to you. Okay, Yeah,
evidently I might not be getting back to Robert for
quite a while. Thank you for listening to this episode,
and until next time, remember always go topless to a
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On this episode, we're at Home, Sweet Home peer Point Hall,
a medieval manor house situated in a secluded thirty acre
estate in the beautiful surroundings of Nottinghamshire. Home to the
Pierpoint family since twelve eighty, it's now a popular wedding
venue and was once used as a training base for
young soldiers in the Second World War. But these young
men aren't the subject of today's episode. We're here to
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learn about Home peer Point Hall's most famous and formidable
women guiding us through bravery, rebellion and nudity. Is this man.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I'm Robert Brackhambury and I'm from the home pier Pont Hall.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
After we got to know each other, I don't know
if you do you read Nuts magazine.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I'm not a great reader of Nuts magazine.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Now we talked about the house itself, which gave me
the opportunity to regurgitate a phrase i'd read on Wikipedia
in the hopes of sounding educated. I'll let you be
the judge on how it went down. It's a Tudor
manor house, yep, a castilated facade.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
That's a whole the whole area is castellated. It was
built by Sir William Pierrepont, who married one of Henry
the sevenths tax collector's daughters. Can you see where I'm
leading on this one? Because one of Henry the seventh
tax collectors didn't necessarily give all he collected back to
the king. He kept quite a lot for himself, so
that was quite a shrewd marriage. So he was did
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quite well in that one. And that's that was who
built the house, so he was able to put quite
a lot of work into it.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Is that a family trait that's been passed down the generations?
Are you all quite conniving?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Definite?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I pay my taxes on time.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And let's have that known on the podcast. Any listeners
in taxes are paid on time? Here they are one.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And you also mentioned about the thirty acres well, there
used to be a huge estate here. The estate encompassed
quite a lot of Nottingham and west Bridgeford. When it
was sold in nineteen forty one, there was about twelve
one thousand acres. A lot had been sold before that,
so the only thing that didn't sell in nineteen forty
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one was the house with the grounds around it. So
actually the house sits quite comfortably in a landscape of
thirty acres, so at least you know, if there's building
all around you, you'll have that thirty acre sort of.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Oh yeah, I don't think anyone would yet. But which
is a great space. There's definitely there's definitely, it's definitely roomy.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I mean, it is big, but when you go for
a walk round, the nice thing about it, what people
say is that it feels quite homely, and it does
feel you're you're in rooms that are not too big
and feel comfortable. And that's what a lot of the
feedback I've got is that we're not trying to be
too grand and we're not in our own way. I mean,
(02:51):
I like to think I'm quite approachable and I get
on with everybody, and we work all as a team here.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I really want to know some of the scandals of
all the weddings that have happened here, because Bridezilla's are
a thing. I've been to a few weddings myself where
there's been some proper kickoffs.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Well, I think we've been all right here really, but
we have had some interesting guests. I mean, I remember
there was one time when Barbara Windsor turned up and
I thought, wow, that's somebody I know, and she just
turned up. Well she was a guest at a wedding.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I'm lost.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
She came to a wedding pub and yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then and then there were other actors, and they
all seem to be in the bill. Have you noticed this?
There was this, There was this time when you go
to the theater and you discovered they've done a few
episodes of the bill.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yes, it was always a fellow played by this man
who was in casualty and the bill.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
So and this wedding, we were all recognizing these these
similar actors.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It was a I bet the speeches were good. If
everyone was an actor, it should have been absolutely cracking speeches. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, there is a trait of formidable women in your family.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Going back through the history, there seems to be.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, let's go to the earliest ones, the ones who
can't hunt us down and scold us for talking bad
about them, and then we'll get to the more risky
ones later. But yeah, let's go right back to the beginning.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Well, I think the fact that Sir William Pierpont married
one of Henry the Sims tax collectors daughters was a
pretty good one. But if we go a bit further forward.
We've got the first Duke of Kingston, who had a
daughter called Lady Mary Pierpont, and she was a great
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writer and travel and she married somebody called Edward Workley Montague,
and I suppose she was one of the first feminists really,
and she married him and it wasn't approved of necessarily
by her family, and she thought, well, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
What do they disapprove of?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Well, the fact that she decided that she was going
to marry somebody who she wanted to marry.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Oh, and she had a choice, yeah, because back in
the day women get told what to do. But Mary
was very absolutely no, I'm choosing.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I'm choosing. And then she married Edward Workley Montague and
they ended up in Istanbul because he was ambassador in Constantinople,
now in Istanbul. So when Lady Mary Pierrepont was in Turkey,
she discovered the small pox inoculation because the people in
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that part of the world were inoculate their children against
small pox, and she realized what it was doing in
this country and the effect it had on the population,
and that if you got it, you either lived after
five days or you died. So it was pretty drastic.
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And so she was instrumental in bringing back an inoculation.
And you've got to remember, an inoculation is different to
a vaccination. You're putting the small pox in under the
skin and you're trying to start an immunity, and she
was instrumental in starting that. And then there were people
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like Edward Jenna who came along and they completed the journey,
but they needed Lady Mary to start the journey. And
the point is is that Edward Jenna got all the
credit because he completed the journey and Lady Mary slightly
got forgotten about.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
So, just so I understand this correctly, Lady Mary decided
she would scrape some of the smallpox puss and then
stick it in her own child, which sounds outrageous, but
it worked, or at least set up the start of
what we now call the vaccine exactly. Next up, we've
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got a woman I'm quite excited to talk about, and
this is Elizabeth Chuddley. Now, could you just give us
the rundown of this woman.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well, she was quite a woman.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
You said that with a smile on your face.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Well, it was a real knowing grin a lot of
people don't know about her, and a lot that has
been written about her, and recently a book was published
about her called Duchess Countess because it is a very
good story. Her father was involved at the Royal Hospital
at Chelsea for a while, so that's where she lived
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and then he died. She was quite a party girl
and she was known in the social scene and she
would get to meet lots of different people, and she
was very good at networking and communicating, and she got
to know somebody eventually called Augustus Harvey, who was the
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son of Lord Bristol, the Earl of Bristol, and they
got together and they got married, and they married sort
of in secret, and there were very few witnesses to
the marriage. But actually I want to start earlier than that,
because she would go to these balls, and there was
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one famous ball that she went to, and behind you
there is a print of her. Oh this topless woman,
of this topless woman in a sea through dress.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
So I'm currently holding a picture of a semi naked
missus Chudley. It says here dated seventeen forty nine, the
third of October, So you know, approaching winter. This doesn't
look like traditional winter garb for a ball. What's the
dress she's half wearing? Is that would have been a
(09:24):
ball gown? Yeah? Yeah? And I sort of headscarf up
here and flowers in her hair. What ball is she attending?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So she was attending the masquerade ball for the jubilee
celebrations of George the Second. It was a big deal,
a big ball, and the fact that they did Prince
just shows what a big deal it was. She was
trying to make a point.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
What was the point she was trying to make?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I think she was trying to be noticed.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Well, I think she did that. She's very much like
the Jordan of her day. Did she arrive at the
ball like this or did she sort of undressed when
she was at the ball? Or was this just no,
she's getting out the carriage.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I'm slightly guessing here, but I suspect that she probably
had something over her and then arrived in the ball
looking like that. I think she was quite a controversial figure,
and I think she was just sort of making a
name for herself, and I think it's quite extraordinary.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
There must have been a bunch of guys who were like, well,
this won't do, we can't have this. Well, she'll be
banned from the rest of the balls.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
There must have been, but she seemed to get herself
out there, and she continued on because she was involved
with the royal family. She was, I suppose it, were
a lady in waiting, and she was very much keeping
herself in the public eye, and that was I suppose
part of her character. And the fact that she married
somebody and then instantly regretted it, which was Augustus Harvey.
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They got married with very few people knowing about it,
in the dark, it seems inner church, and they got
a vicar together, and then as soon as they got married,
they instantly regretted it, and she then got on with
her life. He got on with his life. He went
off to see She carried on doing what she did.
(11:16):
And then a few years later she then meets up
with the Duke of Kingston, and everybody believes that they
were in love, and she decides, or they both decide,
that they're going to get married, and she conveniently forgets
that she married Augustus Harvey, and she conveniently forgets that
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she never got divorced. And so I think there were
a few whispers going around that something was going on.
But anyway, they lived at Thorsby, which is in north Ossinghamshire,
And incidentally, she came to Home Pierpont once and she
swore she'd never come back because of the churchyard next door.
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She thought of her own mortality, so she didn't really
like Home Pierrepont because of the churchyard.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
She seems like a woman who was more a live
in the moment sort of woman rather than think of
the consequences.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think we're getting that. They're
getting that feel. And anyway, she lived at Thorsby and
they were happily married, and they didn't have any children,
but the Duke of Kingston, who was quite a fancy man.
He was very good looking. Incidentally, he was the one
who introduced the cricket to Nottinghamshire, so we've got a
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lot to thank him for very much. So trent Bridge
down the road wouldn't be there in the same way
if it wasn't for him. So he was, he was
very good looking, and they were all in love. And
then suddenly he dies and he leaves his entire estate
to Elizabeth. The nephews, as you can imagine, were thinking, hello,
(12:49):
what's going on here? I think we might not get
a look in. Yeah, so they decided to ferryt about
because they'd heard about the marriage with Augustus Harvey. And
she was tried for bigger me in Westminster Hall because
her nephew, Charles Meadows did all the digging. And she
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was tried for bigger me in the Great Westminster Hall
where the Queen lay in state and the Queen mother
and Charles the first trial took place, so all that history.
It's an amazing place.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
What sort of outfit did she turn up to for
the hearing?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Well, actually she was quite modest. I think there's a
print of her I've seen with her all in black,
wearing a black dress, and she was looking very demure
as it were, and.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
There's one nipples showing people know it's definitely her.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
None none of that, And seats were exchanging tickets at
last price.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I think people were going for a well, anyway, this
woman's going to court. Do you want to go and
see this? Yeah? I think I probably will.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And they were all a bit disappointed by all the
legal formalities of things. Quite what they wasn't quite what
they were expecting, and the Dutchess of Devonshire brought her,
brought her picnic lunch with her so that she could
stay there and keep an eye on what was going on.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Was like pims and sandwiches, just in a pew by
the side.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It's to say she was so they were all there.
It was. It was a sellout. And at that same
time we were fighting America because everybody was trying to
keep hold of America as a colony, colonies and the colonies.
But it took America off the front pages. It was
that big a celebrity trial as it were at that time.
(14:36):
Oh wow, And it was really the talk of the town.
And we forget that now. And she was found guilty,
and because she was a peariss, she escaped prison and
she escaped to Russia. And she was so annoyed with
her family, well with her husband's family, that she took
all the best stuff with her to Russia. And she
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became a friend of Catherine the Great and Potemkin. And
it was always thought that the peacock clock in the
Hermitage in Russia belonged to the Duchess of Kingston, but
now we think Petemkin was the one that commissioned it.
But with the help of the Duchess of Kingston, who
had all the contacts of the right silversmiths. So and
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now the problem is none of us can go to
Russia to see it.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Gives an idea of the type of people who had
been at this ball. Would the king have been in attendance.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I think the king would have been in attendance, and
it would have been all the great and the good
of society and all the title people of that day,
or all the aristocracy and all that sort of thing.
So they were the movers and shakers at that time,
so they would have That's why it got out there.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah. I mean I went to meet my mum and
dad at the Army and Navy Club the other week
and I couldn't get in without a tie on.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I find it extraordinary that somebody got away with it.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, that's it. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It just seems.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Maybe maybe it's just so outrageous that people went she's
probably got permission for that. I have this theory that
if you walk in anywhere with enough confidence, people just go, oh,
they probably not what they're doing. Carrying on the theme
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of formidable women in your family, we're going to talk
about Georgina Brackenbury. Now she was part of the Black
Andberry trio and was jailed many times as part of
the Suffragette movement. And the Suffragettes are an incredible bunch
of women. This is a really, really high stakes time
for ladies. They did some outrageous things and Georgina was
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right at the heart of it. So can you just
talk us through her journey, starting with her going down
to London and how she got involved.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Well, she was in London and she went to the
Slade School of Art and she became a very good
artist and she specialized in portraiture and she then got
involved with painting all sorts of different people. And she
met Emmeline Pankhurst and she painted her picture and her
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picture ended up in the National Portrait Gallery. And at
that time she got involved with the Suffragette movement. And
then they went off, as it were, and joined the
Suffragettes where they were trying to get the women in
the vote. And it was then that she became very
much involved and she was what I would I suppose
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we would refer to in this day and age as
hardcore because she would be blowing up postboxes and if
you remember at the time there was the King's Horse.
I think it was at the Derby where somebody went
under the horse and was killed because they were a suffragette.
They really were going for it, and they really were
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trying to get across that women had to have the votes.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, I mean Pankhurst another formidable women. So these two
women meeting each other, they must have just gotten on immediately.
This is two fiery characters, right.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I get the impression that from what I can gather,
that she was quite a fiery character. I'm god, my
family is absolutely full of them, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I know how you survived this long? You're looking remarkably well.
Can we just paint the pictures of the idea the
sort of stuff they did, say, blow up letter boxes,
ringing bells, chucking themselves in front of horses.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, they were throwing bricks through windows of buildings. I
think they were attacking the police, who were, you know,
turning on them. And they were doing all sorts of
things to make their protest known and to make the headlines.
And they weren't necessarily getting a lot of sympathy from
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a lot of other women, because there were women out
there who were not necessarily agreeing with them, which I
find extraordinary. And there were men who were not agreeing
with them at all because they thought, how dare they
do this sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, I can sort of see how there'd be a
lot of men who would be like, well, we can't
have this, we need to be keeping control. But yeah,
it is quite shocking to think that other women wouldn't.
But I mean, maybe those women are scared. They're in
their own situation, and.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
You don't know who their husbands were. I mean, I
think it was asked with at the time was prime
minister and his wife was not necessarily or follower, but
she was the wife of the prime minister. So you
can see where there was that conflict of interest and
he was thinking one thing, and so how dares she
think another? Possibly, Yeah, I'm only guessing on that one.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
So we've got blowing up some letterboxes, We've got people
jumping in front of horses. And speaking of horses, there
was also a Ogin horse that was used to get
into the House of Commons.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, so the trojan horse was a van and they
got a lot of these suffragettes in the back of
the van and they drove the van up to the
Houses of Parliament and then they raided the houses of Parliament.
Georgina was in this raid, and as it turns out,
my great grandfather was in the House of Commons because
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he was thenp for Louthe at the time, and I
think he was embarrassed by the whole thing because there
was his cousin who was barging in with all these
other women, and it was just too much. You can
imagine the dinner party talk after that one, can't you.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I can imagine. So it was family Christmas around the
table that year. Must have been a bit awkward, going,
so what have you been up to recently? Well, we
didn't have that thing, didn't We were we we stormed
the House of Commons and you were there. Oh god, so.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, So I looking back on it in history, I
think that's fascinating how that all happened. And then the
other thing was Georgina and Maria, who were the two
sisters and their old mother. They lived in something called
mouse Hill, and this was a house where all the
suffragettes would meet and very often they'd have somebody like
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Maria or Georgina sitting in the window and they'd be
they would dress up as Missus Pankhurst and when the
police came by, they would think it was Missus Pankhurst
in the window, and that would give her time to
run away, and then they'd arrest the wrong woman.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
It just shows the sort of commitment of these women
to try and look out for the important ones and
get this over the line, because you know, they're willing
to go to prison, and they're willing to sacrifice themselves
in order to yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah. And the fact to protect the cause, yeah yeah.
And the fact that Georgina gave up painting until women
got the vote for a good number of years shows
how the cause meant so much to her and how
far she was prepared to go.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Because being arrested, that's not a nice comfortable night in
a cell, either, is it. When they got arrested, they'd
also got hunger strikes, they get force fed, they got
brutally treated.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
That there was a there's a film whose name I
can't remember, in which they recount the suffragette story and
when you watch it, you can't believe how the police
treated them, how they were treated in the prisons and
and all this sort of thing. And and then you
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do start to admire them for what they were they
were doing and what they eventually achieved.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
And you say that painting was a bit so important
to Georgina and she gave it up, but then you're
saying she did then eventually take it back up. I'd
love to know what the first thing was that she
painted after all that. I imagine it's some very broad brushstrokes,
just like Ah getting all.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
The I think we can thank Georgina for my great
grandparents meeting because Georgina planted somebody called Florence Mills and
her sister Adelaine, and we've got the pictures in the house,
and we think that my great grandfather met Florence in
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her studio. So if it wasn't for them, I wouldn't
be here type thing.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So she ended up going to prison herself, didn't you.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
She was in Holloway Prison, in the women's prison, and
I wouldn't have thought had a very pleasant time there
because they wouldn't have been treated with any form of respect.
And you've got to admire her for what she had
to cope with in there, because the prison warders would
not They would have been male prison warders, and they
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would have not looked after those those suffragettes.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Is this when the things like the force feeding and
all that sort of stuff happened.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, And we're also we were talking about hunger strikes
and things like that, so they really were taking on
the cause. And whenever I have a group around the house,
she is somebody I always point out because I have
a lot of respect for her.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Thank you so much for having us here, Robert. This
has been absolutely fascinating, even just being in the house
where it has seen so many formidable women. Even the dogs,
even the female dogs, look like they're feisty around here.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Oh yeah, you don't mess with the dogs.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
No. I want to ask you as we wrap up,
if you could go back to any period of the
Home Peer Point Hall's history, when would it be.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I think the period that we have discussed with the
end of the eighteenth century, because actually, when you look
at our civilization and you look at what was achieved
at that time, we had people like Gainsborough, we had
Robert Adam, we had all this architecture. We had the
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Georgians then who built all these amazing houses. It is
a time that we are still making the most of
and we're still able to enjoy their achievements, and I
would hope I would be healthy, because if I wasn't,
I'd be in trouble. I hope I didn't need to
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have my teeth sorted out, because if I needed them
sorted out, I'd be in trouble. There are a few
other things, because there's so much now today we take
for granted. But I would have to be really healthy
to go back to that time.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, yeah, don't go back for a hard operation or
to get your tooth filled. Yeah yeah, I'm going back
to the Georgian period for a root canal probably, and.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Then Elizabethan times it would have been even worse. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
If you were to meet any of the ancestors.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Who have been through these halls, well, somebody we really
haven't talked about much, but it's one of the ancestors
would be the first Duke of Kingston. He was the
fifth Earl of Kingston and he was created the first duke,
so he had to have something about him to be
created a duke in the first place. To talk us
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through this guy, he was called even in Pierrepont, and
he was a member of Parliament and he sat in
the House of Lords. There was a club in London
when he was still Earl of Kingston at the time,
there was a club in London called the Cat Club.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Oh, I've just been to one in Berlin. Is it
similar to that?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
But it was a bit different. I've been reading a
bit about the Cat Club. It was not that raucous
a dinner party. They but I think they were pains
to say that in the thing I was reading about it.
And then there was a and then Godfrey Neller the artist,
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was commissioned to paint all the members of the Kitcat Club.
And actually we keep talking about the National Portrait Gallery.
If you go there, there's a series of paintings that
they have of members of the Kitcat Club and they're
all these the Duke of whatever and the Earl of
whatever and whatever, and so he was obviously well connected.
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And the other thing that he was involved with, which
is quite topical at the moment, he was involved with
as a commissioner on the joining of England and Scotland
as one nation as Great Britain, and he was one
of the commissioners for that. And he also had his portrait,
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as I said, painted by Nella and there was a
series of prints that were made of the kit Kat Club.
It is cat Kit Club's members, and we have one
of the portrait, one of the prints, so you know,
he obviously had something about him. And the fact that
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he was also Lady Mary worked in Montague's father. I
think that's the icing on the cake.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Very good. I mean, I want to see Elizabeth Chuddley
personally just twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I think she'd eat you for dinner.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I'm pretty sure most of you.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Wouldn't survive.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And finally, why should people visit home per Point Hall.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Well, we're a house that has had a continuity since
it was built. There's a lot of history to it.
There are a lot of stories, and a lot of
people have told me it feels very homely and very
cozy and very welcoming, and we are at pains to
(28:59):
make people feel welcome, and I hope you will have today,
and we have a history that we like to share
with everybody, and as you've heard so far today that
it's quite a history and quite a fun one.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Really, it really is. Thank you very much for having us.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, well know, it's a pleasure to have you and
to see you, and maybe we'll meet again one day.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Maybe maybe you're accepting wedding bookings. We are. I'll try
and find myself a girlfriend and I'll get back to you. Okay, Yeah,
evidently I might not be getting back to Robert for
quite a while. Thank you for listening to this episode,
and until next time, remember always go topless to a
king's ball, always test in oculations on your kids, and
(29:45):
always always mind your manners. Thanks for listening to Bad Manners.
If you like the pod, please share it with your friends,
rate it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or
wherever you get your podcasts. Leave a review, and make
sure spill the tea on any of your favorite Bad
Manners that we could feature in future episodes. This podcast
(30:06):
was produced by Atamei Studios for iHeartRadio. It was hosted
by me Tom Horton. It was produced by William Lensky,
Rebecca Rappaport, and Chris Ataway. It was executive produced by
Face Stewit and Zad Rogers. Our production manager is Caitlin
Paramore and our production coordinator is Bellasolini.
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