November 23, 2022 • 46 mins
Jessica compares Bryan's online golf club sales to online dating! The B-N-H crew talks with the Founder of Scott Golf, Scott Peterson "The Most Interesting Man-Ufacturer In the world." Nobody builds golf clubs the way he does (period). He does It his way! Bryan proclaims his love for Garsen Grips. Jess wants a set of Copper Clubs & Darby likes to keep some things old school.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
You're listening to Balls and Holes, Jessica Bows, Brian and Pascarelli. Hi, babe,
You've been selling quite a few clubs on offer up
and Facebook and pretty much anywhere you can pimp your
stuff out, and it's been really, really hilarious to watch. Um.
(00:29):
You used to have me do this for you, and
it got to the point where we were selling so
much that I was like really tired of being the
go between, right because it's like I'd post it, then
they'd ask me questions, and then like you'd want to
be involved, and it was just I was this shitty middleman.
So you have now taken it over on your own. Congratulations.
You are more adept in social media than you were prior. However,
(00:51):
I think it is worth mentioning that you kind of
use this as what appears to the layman as like
a dating site. The conversations that you have with these
strangers about clubs is hilarious. And one of the things
for people who don't know you is that when you're
talking to people or you're texting with people, you have
(01:13):
this really great thing that I much appreciate as a wife,
where you like read out loud what your conversation is
you like read what they said and then you read
what you're typing back, and like, you've been doing this
and it sounds so I can't even say the word feminate. Thing.
The other day, you were talking with somebody, and you know,
(01:34):
the big thing that we've had to get past is
that there's a lot of scammers out there. So you
place something up for sale and then you get a
ton of people doing like is it still available? Is
it's still available? And then they're like, give me your
phone number. I want to talk to you about this.
And I had to very much say, Bride, don't give
out your phone number, because this is how scammers like
reset your zel or your PayPal or your Venmo or whatever.
(01:54):
And so it's been this huge hurdle for you. And
so I've taught you like, hey, you've really got to
look at who you're talking with if you think they're serious,
like check out their profile. So you were dealing with
somebody the other day and the message that went back
to them after I had taught you this was like, hey, man,
I looked at your profile. You look like a cool
surfer dude. Why don't you call me? Will you please?
Call me and I was like, bro, this sounds like
(02:18):
like a date, and you were like, no, it doesn't,
and you got all piste off and then you came
back in like two hours later and you reread me
like what you guys were talking about, and you were like,
this totally doesn't sound cool, does it. It was like, no,
it sounds like you're like on Tinder, like the Tinder
of golf club trading, which, by the way, I'm gonna
(02:40):
ahead and say, that's a great idea. That's a great app.
It was mine. We talked about this the other day.
It's a great app. Right, you get to like flip
through look at what people have. Are you interested? Are
you not? Left? Right? It's great. But Brian is really
taking it to another level with the communication between the
people that he's talking to on these sites. I'm getting
a lot of responses, but not as many as I
(03:02):
wanted for my offer ups. I'm not getting that much
on Facebook market Place. But if someone does say something
and they're into it, I'm so excited that they love
golf like I do. And then we started negotiating and
bargaining and they all try to lowball me, and I'm
like dude, have you seen the tax on this thing?
But it goes a little bit further than that, because
we have felt comfortable enough recently to let a couple
(03:25):
of these buyers come to our home in order to
pick up their purchase, of which then it's like you've
literally dragged a couple of them in here and like
shown them every room in our house that has golf
clubs all over the place, and you're like, look at this,
and I've got this bird. And I started calling you
the Jeffrey Dahmer of golf club sales because these poor
(03:46):
people like come over to pick up a club and
they're here for like an hour because you guys nerd
out together. And there was one guy where I was like,
do you need to call your wife and let her
know that, like, we didn't murder you and you're just
looking at golf clubs with my husband Jessica in my defence,
and this is customer service. And guess what, I've had
repeat customers and they referred people to their friends because
(04:06):
of my awesome customer services, which is which is how
he ended up with the Scots. By the way, that is,
I will thank you, I will, I get it. But
I gotta tell you, having a front road seat to
this show is entertaining that you should be proud that
I'm getting rid of all the golf ship in our
house and I'm actually selling them. I mean I am,
(04:27):
but wow, has it really opened my eyes to a
new side of you that I did not know existed.
I just care alright, alright, you guys have grown accustomed
to the luxury of having what is essentially a golf
museum at your house. So when people who who come
for the first time, it is a it is a
fascinating walk down history of golf. You've got old player irons,
(04:51):
You've got everything right, So it's a good it's a
good lubricator for conversation. We have an extra special guest on.
Yeah we do, yes, all right. Who is it? It
is the one and only founder of Scott Golf, Scott Peterson. Yes,
we have him on. Hello Scott. Hey, guys, how are you?
Thank you for having me? Thank you for being here. Um.
(05:14):
I have fallen in love with your golf clubs and
the whole philosophy behind it, and I'm so happy to
have you on here. I have a million questions. Well,
I think maybe you should start real quick by saying
how you even got these clubs? So, just so you know, um,
I've been trying to sell a lot of my golf
(05:34):
clubs on offer up and someone traded a Scotty Cameron
Center chef Phantom x Um for your clubs. And I
didn't know what your clubs were. And he says, I
have these Scots. They're better than Mira's. They're the best
irons I've ever had. And I said, why are you
selling them? He goes, I got him from my friend
(05:55):
in Korea. I said, well, bring him to Roger Dunne.
I need to hit him. I hit him. I did
the trade immediately. I've had him in the bag for
four rounds and they still survived it. It's and it's
all you've been talking about prior to getting those clubs.
You guys. Last podcast was all about forged clubs, right,
So why don't you tell me how did you get
(06:18):
into this, how did you become the founder? And why
what made you want to make golf clubs? Wow? Okay,
So about twenty years ago or more, I started getting
back into golf and loving it, but I noticed I
couldn't find anything that felt the way I remember that
I liked. So I started playing Mira as I started
(06:39):
playing fourteen and I was like, Okay, these are really nice.
They feel good. I like them. So I was like,
I can do this, and I started making some out
in my shop, out in my backyard. And it took
me a while. It took me a few years to
get him dialed in, but once I did, I was like,
these are as good or better than anything that I've
(06:59):
ever hit it. And then I made five sets. I'm
a general contractor and an engineer, and I built a
school in Phoenix. So I went down to Phoenix, played
golf down there with Arizona State and let him hit
the clubs for a couple of weeks and they said,
these are outstanding. Make them. That's where it started. So
(07:19):
from five sets, and now I'm they're even better than
they were. So now I made clubs and it's turned
into a business from backyard hobby. Okay, so it's been
pretty cool. Thank you for doing that. I was looking
at your entire um online shop. You have the s
G one to three and four. You have an awesome
(07:41):
copper set, you have wedges, putters, and bags. Did I
get that right? Yes? Tell me. The issue that we
were having in the last podcast with Darby Night was
these Japanese made irons made in Japan versus companies that
say they are Japanese but they're made in China. And
we had this whole debate and we are stuck on
(08:02):
these Japanese for rons. Tell me what the process is
to make a scott Golf iron. Is it made in Japan? Yes?
So I have built really good relationships with a couple
of the best forging facilities in Japan, and that's taken
a long time. It took me about seven years to
get in with them and then but now they're like
(08:24):
my good friends, you know. So you know, I know
the Mirror boys I know, and those guys I know
itto Bury Golf, their whole company, you know, in Mayuki,
the founder, you know, we're good friends and we share clubs.
You know. I'm actually designing a driver and some woods
(08:45):
for them right now. So he gave me a full
set of his dragon welled irons, ridiculous, but mine are
better so and he knows it because he has a
set of mind that I made for him and we exchanged.
But that's been a really fun road and I've made
some really good friends over there. What made you decide
(09:06):
that Japan was the only way to make your clubs
um The reason is their reputation. They just seem to
have a higher standard that they're going to hold high, Okay,
so when they when they do something, it is done
at the highest level, or they won't do it, okay.
So that's that's where my company is as well. If
(09:27):
it's not going to be the best product, I don't
want it. I have to be. I'm a small guy.
I'm just the little guy in here. I just you know,
if I do thousands of twelve hundred sets a year,
that's that's huge for me. I was looking on the website.
You you limit your quantities to two hundred pieces of
each one of your iron wedges only. Is that correct?
(09:49):
And that's to ensure quality control, craftsmanship, correct, all of
the above. We were also talking that you only use
ten twenty carbon steel, which you were saying was like
the old miras and how those felt that correct? Yes,
it is. Yeah, why did you choose that? Because I
own your clubs and I love them, tell me, tell
me that the reasoning behind all that. So ten twenty
(10:13):
carbon is what everybody used to like to use because
it's it's a softer, more mild carbon steel. Okay, so
that's where the field comes from. And as soon as
they all change that, the feel went away. Now they're
making you know, titanium face and using stainless steel and
metals that are have a harder, harder feel, and you
(10:35):
don't get the same sound. You don't get the same
feel out of that. Is this process more expensive, more
labor intensive? But you don't care? I do not care?
And is it is a little more expensive but not
not crazy? You know, it all comes down to if
(10:55):
you have a good crew, you have the right guys,
you make in a right product, and if you may
enough of it, then the cost is down anyway. So
then help me understand if it's not a huge price difference.
I've hit your clubs, they're amazing. Why aren't Why aren't
we seeing more forged clubs out there? Is it a
production thing? Is it just mass production? The mass production guys,
(11:18):
they're they're working on a whole different price point. Okay,
So there there is a big difference between a cast
head and a forged head, probably three, four, even five
times as much to do a forged head than it
is to do a cast head, and then they're incorporating
what they wanted at Some of them claim this is
(11:39):
a forged club, but it's not. It's got a forged
face that they glued on the front of the golf
club or somehow well did it on there. They call
it coining. Okay, so when you coin it, it's just
a face on it, it's not. The whole thing is
not forged. So the the original companies that forge are
very few anymore. You've got probably you know myself, You've
(12:01):
got me r, You've got stricks, and I think still
for just some clubs Massouno maybe, but I think even
Massouna went to China now so their field they lost
their field Derby. Do you want to comment on the
massun No comment. Yes. I actually just picked up an
old set of Massuno MP traditional loss and they feel incredible.
(12:26):
And Brian and I had been on this cast verse
forged thing for a while and between both of us,
I think we've played every club that's ever been manufactured,
and I'll never buy a cast club ever again. I
like a solid piece of steel forged. There's there is
no feeling like it. I feel like my dispersion is better,
(12:48):
it's more consistent, and all around just a much better feel.
I feel like I'm one with my club. I don't
feel like I'm I'm having to to force my club
to do anything. If my swing is correct and all
my my setup and everything is is in line. You know,
it's the club is just an extension of my body,
and and that's how it should feel. Whereas I feel
(13:09):
like even like the I just I just played the
hot metals, the new hot metals, and they're clicky, they
don't feel they don't feel good. But yeah, that's that's
kind of where I'm at. I'm all on board with
the traditional loft fully forged clubs. Olds are good stuff.
You heard it, Derby. You got verification from the master
(13:31):
builder that your set is fine even though you should
go into some scots. Look, I plan, I plan to
make that upgrade. And let's talk about that. So your
your your clubs are relatively not that cheap. But as
we know, you know, it's it starts at you know,
one eight and goes all the way to your magnificent
(13:52):
copper set that is three thousand, eight hundred dollars. Can
you tell us a little bit about that copper set
because we drool of Oh my god, I fell in
love with them. You know, the copper is it's it's gorgeous.
It's so I use you know, I take them back
in my shop. I we strip them down. We and
(14:12):
then it goes through a whole plating process and that
this is just out of my bag. Oh my god,
that is for the listeners. Scott is holding up a
beautiful copper iron three iron? Is that what you play with? Yes,
that's in my bag. That's not in my bag right now,
but it is in my bag. So is there a
(14:35):
few difference between the copper plated clubs in the traditional
ten twenty carbon steel? No, No, the copper finishes uh
probably a little bit softer than the chrome. It doesn't
affect it at all. So what we're saying is we
all need a set of copper sky irons. Wait, hold on, Scott,
(14:57):
is it ten twenty carbon with a copper finished or
the entire head is copper? Oh? Yeah, yeah, so it
does a copper plate. Okay, So we stripped down the
heads back to raw and clean them, polish them, then
reintroduce him when Nickel played it, and then copper plate. Yeah, dude,
these these these Copper clubs are like the most beautiful
things I've ever seen, man Like, they are just stunningly beautiful.
(15:23):
We were all hanging out last night and we were
watching or we were looking at the clubs and we
were like, look at these ones, look at these They're
just they're incredible. How how are the consumers responding to those?
Are those your number one sellers? The copper is No,
it's not, definitely not the number one seller, just because
everybody wants the bocket the price. Okay, it's more of
(15:44):
a gift product. Most people are buying. Okay, so bigger
you know, corporations, companies, business owners, they'll buy sets for
their employees or for themselves. Okay, Um, I do sell that.
Just boxed up a couple of sets right now that
(16:04):
are going out to Florida and they're the owners of
Orchid Golf Bags. It's it's a special treat thing, is
it kind of is you know, when you spend you know,
four thousand dollars on a set of irons, you want
they look good. And I've been playing a set for
about a year and a half just seeing how durable
they are and even out of my wedges out of
(16:25):
sand and rocks, and everywhere I've been it's still good.
Um I was. I'm amazed how well they hold up.
I saw on your site that you do a lot
of custom laser engraving. Tell me about that and how
how how are people responding to that? And that is
really good? People love that, okay when they can order wedges.
(16:46):
My wedges are pretty. They're just pretty and simple. So
the backs are like an open slate for artwork. So
I've done thousands of wedges that are custom made with
you know, their nicknames, their pop's name, their school mascot,
you name. Everything is customizable, right this you you can't
(17:06):
buy this at a store. You have to call you
at Scott. By the way, if you call Scott Golf,
you get Scott Peterson, the owner. You don't get a company.
You get him, which was insane. That's how I met you.
And I'm so glad you're on the on the podcast. Um,
so tell me about that. UM. You know, I don't
like ever calling anywhere because you know, you want to
(17:27):
speak with the representative. Push three and then you get
another recording and I hate that and I never and
if somebody wants to know about my product that I designed,
that I make. There's nobody that knows it better than
I do. So you're going to keep on the trend
with this customization. UM go directly through scott Golf to
get their clubs right, Never a big box store. Ye,
(17:50):
I don't. It's a whole different game. I don't. I
don't want to go into that market. I'm talking about
the marketing and what where where are your markets? Are
you in big in the United States? Around the world?
How does that one work? Um? I am worldwide. I'm
(18:14):
got a good market in the US. I have a
really good market in South Korea, and in Japan, Thailand,
Saudi Arabia and Dubai okay, so oh, and Spain and France.
They do quite a bit of business over there too.
So why why do you think this is? Are are
they looking? Are those type of consumers like very particular
(18:36):
about their clubs? Are they do they want something that
is a USA company or do they know that it's
coming from Japan? Why? Why do you think there's such
a big demand in those particular countries? They are? They
want something different? Okay? They don't want to go in
I mean ever, anybody can walk into Galaxy Golf and
walk out with a so the titlists. Okay, but when
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and I think, I think they want something different, they
want something better, they want something that is more unique
on the luxury end. You know, I do a lot
of business at private clubs, country clubs that are really exclusive,
that are high end. That's a big market for me. Okay.
So it is the people that drive the Bugatti's or
(19:20):
a Porsche or you know, a g wagon or whatever
you want. Whatever they want, you know, they want something
that's better, and so you know that's where that's kind
of my market. That's I am like the Bugatti of golf.
You heard it. That's the new tagline, Yeah, the golf.
Tell me what's your most popular style? You have one
(19:41):
s G one, two and three and four. What what's
the most Is it a cavity back? Is it more
of a blade? You know in the US the blades? Okay,
the s G O three number one seller and the
s G O two would be right behind it. South
Korea and Japan, the s T O four ten to one.
The O one combo set is kind of a new
(20:03):
thing and it's it's just starting to get out there,
so we'll we'll see where that one goes. I have
a question in regards to the traditional retroloss Derby Night'd
like to call the retro lobs. Um I have the
s g Z O twos or O twos I guess,
and the loves are very traditional. Are you staying with that?
Are you gonna because a lot of these companies are
(20:24):
making very superduced power labs for game improvement irons. What's
your thoughts on that? My thoughts on that are I'm
not in the distance game on irons. I'm in the
game of consistency. Driver is for distance, Your irons are
for consistency. And why do you need a pitching wedge
(20:45):
that's gonna go a hundred and eighty five yards? If
you can hit a three hundred yard drive, then you
only need a Then you're you'll never see a club
below a seven iron or above. However, you look at that, Derby,
do you have thoughts on this? Yeah? I mean that's
exactly how they got me, dude. They were like, like,
you know, I'm I'm in the bays and I'm hitting
a seven iron two yards and I'm like, this is crazy,
this is amazing and then I'm I'm I'm realizing like
(21:08):
the way that they the industry has like been able
to manipulate the way that we think about irons in
the bag. When now I feel like, since I've got
my massoua was, I think about my clubs and degrees
and not so much the numbers engraved on the bottom
of them. Because when I'm looking down at it, whether
it says a five or seven, if it's twenty six degrees,
(21:30):
it's twenty six degrees. It doesn't matter what's written on
the bottom, it's gonna go the same distance. And and Brian,
we kind of we kind of tested that right, Like
we took a five iron that had the same loft
as a seven iron and they went the same distance.
The only difference was the older forged clubs had a
better dispersion rate left to right, like they were a
tighter circle. They felt better, And it's it's a really
(21:54):
smart marketing ploy. The golf industry has come up to
push product year after year, and at the end of
the day, it's all nonsense. Just by yourself, a well
crafted forge set in the last few for ten years,
that's it. That's where I'm at now, see Derby knows it.
I told him to say that exactly. Um, let's talk
(22:18):
about your putter's. Um, you have two putters in there.
How how's that going? I mean, did you is that
a new thing for you or is that something that
you have a lot of passion or is it just
about an iron's You know, the putters are just kind
of a thing I do to help fill the bag. Okay,
anybody can make a good putter. There's a lot of
good putters out there. And what do you like, main
(22:40):
minor as good as anybody's. Okay, you know, Camera owns
the putter industry pretty much, you know, so we take
a second seat behind Scotty all day long. Okay, But
or you know, I test my putters against his or
anybody else's for that matter, and they're just just as good.
(23:00):
I'll make three different putters and that's all I'll ever make,
and they're fantastic. Well, now we need Scott putters. Last
time I check, Scott, I had twenty nine putters, um
from every brand, know, so I don't have one of yours.
So I'm now gonna have to strongly consider it. Um
(23:21):
is it ten twenty carbon as well? Yeah? You will, Yeah,
you'll fall in love. You know. Are you a mallet
guy or a blade guy? Well, that's a great question.
I've now switched over to being a blade guy. I've
I've converted him to a blade plump plumber neck. Wait,
why did you say it's good, Scott? Because you're such
a traditionalist, is that why I am? I love? I
(23:42):
love my blade So I just they're so good, you know,
they're just. But my mallet's really good too. So depending
on the day, you know, if I'm missing with my mallet,
then I'm putting the blade in, and vice versas. So
I have now come to the realization that I have
overthought putting. So I have a pink p l D answer,
(24:05):
the milled one with no alignment aide. That's my new thing.
I don't want to have an a line. I want
to go all feel now. I like that. But this
is after like years of him, you know, customizing alignment aids.
I mean, he he brings something home and then I'm
gonna I gotta send this back, I gotta get a
new alignment aid I. I think I want it this way,
I want it that way. So it was such a
huge surprise when he got the answer and he comes
(24:28):
home and he's like, this doesn't have an alignment aide.
I mean there were nights Scott that he would like
have a sticker and we'd be like drawing lines on
it or you know, anything we could think of, because
it was all about the alignment aid. And now it's
about you know, the murdered out p LD answer with
no alignment And I have the Wilson eight zero two,
(24:48):
which is the NAPA style putter with no alignment aide.
I'm going real traditional on that one. There is everybody,
we're we're looking at the hopper blade Scott putter. Oh
my goodness, that is beautiful and it has spades on
the bottom. Does it have an alignmentate Scott, Yes it does,
(25:10):
and people can customize it like myself without an alignmentate. Right,
you know, I mill them with those in but you can.
I even made and I did this one last week
just for fun. So this is one I did that
beautiful Okay, So it's part copper, part ground down to
(25:31):
to to the raw. You know, Oh my gosh, wow,
scenes are beautiful, guys. If you could see this, that's
just that's what I do. I play around with them.
How many sets or clubs, I guess is the right question.
How many clubs in your time of clubmaking have you made?
How many have I done? Approximately for myself? Yeah, just
(25:53):
for I mean no like in in you know, how
many clubs have you produced? How many are out there
in the world? How many are out there? Um, I'll
bet less than five thousand sets? So I'm a lefty.
I'm a lefty. How many lefty sets day? There are?
(26:14):
Your a lefty dag? Okay? So yeah, one in in
five hundred our lefties. And that's kind of a big
thing in Canada, but not here. And he's not as
big in the US. Left in Canada's let wow, Canada. Yeah,
(26:37):
Darby has zero choices. And when we go to the
golf shop in Selection, we talked about all the time
it's poor Darby. It's a bummer. And then he can't
play with our cool club that we're going home. Yeah,
it's an issue. It's an issue. Let me ask you certain,
Scott um. So, I've been doing a lot of research
in Darby and I and Jessica, we all watch a
(26:57):
lot of YouTube videos on reviews. We read my golfs
by and you name it. We're golf chunkies. I want
to hear your thoughts on a company based out of Canada, ironically,
that we just talked about and Vancouver, Canada. It's a
director consumer. It's called Heywood. Have you heard of them?
I have heard of Haywood. Heywood is doing ten twenty
(27:20):
carbon fully forged iron, just like yours. I want to
know your take on that. Um, they know something that
you obviously know. But the price point is very long,
you know, it's a tough question. I'm sorry, I don't Yeah,
I don't know where he's going with that, you know,
I think the companies will come and go like him
all day long. Okay's he's I think it's fairly new
(27:43):
within the last three or four years. Maybe at that
price point, I would do you either have to move
a lot of product or you're not gonna be able
to stick around. It could be a tough road. I
don't know. So they they're made in Canada, is there
do you think there's a difference even though they're using
the same deals you that you're sending it over to
Japan to be made. Is there like a quality control issue?
(28:05):
You know? I would I would have a hard time
believing anything's getting made in Canada. Okay, I would. I
would put my money on that they're coming out of China.
I think I would agree with that. Um. You know,
I've I've been trying and trying for you know, years
to try to get a couple of buddies of mine
(28:25):
back in Chicago to reopen dunlops old factory and forge
everything there. Wow. You know, if you know, if I
had an extra half a million dollars, we could do it.
But you know, that's about how much it would cost
to start up for one set of molds and and
get everything done over here in the US. And so
(28:45):
everybody in the US wants to to see made in
the USA, but as soon as they see the price,
they're not gonna pay it, okay, So they'll bitch about
it and then they say, well that's way too much.
So you know, there's not anything we're doing or that
we're not communicating on, that we're not watching TV on,
that we're not cooking on that was made in the USA.
(29:07):
You know, we couldn't do anything without China, you know,
and they better you know, realize that, you know that.
But I would everything that we've used or it gets
made comes out of China. So you and I were
talking on the phone, um, and you said that you
tried to use China, and then you stopped correct and
(29:28):
tell me what happened there. Lack of consistency. Okay, so
finishes were different, quality of the plating was inconsistent, and
they weren't getting prepped right. So the chrome was flaking.
So if I did a nickel plate, it would chip
and then it would just start peeling off. And I
was like, okay, let's you know, I can't have this.
So I still have a couple dozen sets beads out
(29:51):
here that there'll be gifts. Those were still made with
ten twenty carbon correct. Yeah, so even though they were
with made ten twenty, those heywoods are made at ten twenty.
If they're not being produced like in Japan where you
send yours, it's gonna there's gonna be some inconsistencies. Um,
you know, not necessarily, you know, but there's always that chance.
(30:13):
You know. I think I think they're capable, but I
think that it's hard to find the right company to
be consistent. And it's just so much cooler to know
that it was made in Japan. That's that was our
whole thing. And that's why we love having you on here,
is because I found you by happenstance. I found you
on accident, and I'm so happy that you're still doing
(30:34):
what you're doing. And the fact that they're so rare
and you don't make a lot of them. I feel
special owning that. Yeah, they're incredibly beautiful. I mean I
hit them and they just they feel like nothing else.
I mean I took him out to the range and
as soon as I hit him, I was like, I
want some, and then of course you looked at me
like I was crazy. But I've also not seen you
(30:55):
really like Champion a set of clubs the way you've
been been in these clubs. I mean you tell everybody
about them. You make all of the pros at the
club trium like it's it. Really they speak for themselves.
The craftsmanship is incredible. They're absolutely beautiful. They feel amazing,
and it is special that you have them talking about
(31:17):
pro Scott. What what famous golfers do you have are
playing your irons. I don't have any players right now
that are on tour. I had a few on the
Champion Tour a few years back, but it just there
they need catered to. Okay, so if you don't have
a somebody that can follow him around and be at
(31:38):
every tournament, and there was a pain in the butt.
They've turned these kids, especially now on the PGA Tour
in the Superstars, They're not just a golfer going out
to play golf anymore. They need um pampered. I really
don't care. I just I love that. I absolutely love that.
You know, I'll get I've got a lot of good players.
(32:02):
I've got, you know, guys that were on tour or
played tour for a year or two and left and
they play my stuff because that's better than what they
can get it. Scott. The only reason why I asked
you is that the consumer, the average consumer so guided
by that and influenced by that. Darby Jska and I
we do not care. We care whatever works and feels
(32:23):
the best. It's just unfortunate that all these amateurs are
trying to be pros and there, you know, they see
them on TV. I mean, I'm not asking to, you know,
for any other reason that maybe someone wants to know,
and that would be their validation, which I think is
row exactly. Yeah, I may go down that road again,
and I've got a few guys that will be you know,
(32:44):
they have they have the opportunity to get to the
tour you know, in the next couple of years if
they score right on the right day, because that's what
it boils down to. They're just as good as anybody
on tour. But they just didn't play their best the
every you know, on the on the day they needed
to win. On the final day, Hi school, They've had
a bad hole or two and that was it and
(33:05):
they're done. So that's a tough road. Quickly before we
get too far away from talking about the p G
eight Tour and the players, and I'll tell you what,
to me was so refreshing to hear you say that
it isn't about the marketing, it's not about the business.
It's about the game and it's about the clubs, right,
which is what we're all here for. We're here for
(33:28):
the game. So to have that spectacle removed and at
the end of the day just focus on the gear
and the equipment in the game is refreshing to hear
from a manufacturer. You know, It's like, I appreciate that,
you know, it's it's it's uncommon and and it's and
it's unfortunate that it's that uncommon that you hear, you know,
(33:50):
people talk about their their product that way. It is
too bad. I know how good it is people who
hit it, you know. And I love going and doing
demo days, okay, and I love being put by the
Japanese companies. So and I'll tell everybody, go hit everything,
go hit it all, then come back here. Then you'll know.
(34:12):
And we have we have by the way, we have
hit everything good nothing, So nothing feels as good as
these clubs. Man, it's it's incredible. So you're a lefty,
you're swinging swingings some of Briand's on the right hand side.
I could swing a little bit right, but I mean
it's I mean that's I wouldn't. I couldn't game a
right handed set, but I can. I can still feel
(34:33):
the ball coming off the face. So yeah, man, I
it's crazy. It's after the last three months of just
playing all these game improvement iris and these like all
this foam injected whatever, just give me a well crafted,
solid piece of steel. It's we'll get the job done
(34:53):
every day, all day, every day. Speaking of well crafted,
when Brian brought these clubs home. We all sat on
the couch and we were like inspecting these clubs and
the detail in them is so incredibly beautiful. It's like
the what what would you call the design the Greek keys,
(35:14):
the Greek keys. Yeah, and then you know, we're sitting
there and it's like you rub your finger on the
inside of the iron and the edges right are so sharp, right,
Like there's I've never felt a club like this. It's
it's just so incredible, like it was. They're perfectly made,
the perfect there's so attention to detail that even the
(35:37):
corners are so precise. Yea, yeah, the craftsmanship is incredible.
It's like I want everybody to know about Scott Clubs.
And then but like I also feel special that we
have a set special now Scott. What what's what's the
future look like for Scott? You just told me that
(35:57):
you're going into drivers, which I can't iagine how those
are gonna look. They're probably gonna be beautiful. What what's
next for Scott? Yeah? Woods, driver, three Wood, five wood, um,
and driving irons. They'll all be out for next summer.
You didn't say hybrids. Is that because it's to new school? Um?
You know, I I can't hit a hybrid to save
my life. Okay, so I can't either. I can't either.
(36:21):
Brian's the only one right now that can. Yeah, you know,
one out of one out of six shots, I can.
But if I hit it I had a two iron
or a three iron, I know it's gonna go down
the middle. So I just don't trust a hybrid. And
that's probably all in my head, but I'm not going there.
I don't trust him either. I hate him. I hate him. Sorry,
(36:45):
sorry those hybrid guys. But yeah, we again appreciate you
coming onto the show and and talking some knowledge for
people out there who don't know about your product. I mean,
it is the best iron I've ever hit, hands down,
and I can't wait to try your other stuff. They're
absolutely the best looking in my book. Yeah, where, um,
where can they find you? On social media? Scott Golf
(37:08):
USA on Instagram, Scott Golf Forward, Slash, Facebook, Scott golf
dot com and uh, if you need to talk to
Scott Peterson, his phone numbers on his website and you'll
get right through. Yeah, I know, right well, Scott, thank
you so much for coming on and talking with us today.
I think at some point, Brian, I'll make it out
(37:29):
to Utah to come see you and uh the first
rounds on us. Yeah, first rounds on us, and we
want to hang out and uh and see all the
different designs you've got going on. I love it and
thank you for having me up. Look forward to coming
down and meeting all of you down there. Well, this
was great. You know, nobody builds golf clubs the way
I do. Period. That was a direct hit, Bob Parsons.
(38:01):
I love it. Let's have a duel. Nobody nobody does
what I do. Okay, not even Bobby. Okay, Bobby's Bobby
has his own special clubs. I love. He's a good guy.
I love him. But my clubs are better. You heard
you heard it, your first game beef between Bob and Scott.
(38:23):
I can't wait. That's incredible. Alright, Well, thank you again, Scott.
It was awesome and I will seem sooner perfect. Thank
you guys. Okay, we're gonna take a break and come
back with Mulligans. Hi, babe, We're back with mull against.
(38:44):
It's Mulligans. It's Mulligan's Mulgan Mulligan. That's a good one.
Like that one. If you like your song. I look,
let's let's get it in the studio. Let's make it official.
I got to beat on deck, ready to go, you
got to beat. We got Cooper, he can produce us.
We get the Mulligan Sun down. So dude, that guy
(39:05):
was so old school and cool man like just he's like,
I don't give a shit. I make these This is
the way I want to make him. You don't like it,
I don't care. Scott Peterson gives zero funks about anything anything,
And I loved it. Yeah, And I mean that's what
I was saying. I was like, it's refreshing to hear
a manufacturer like say that. It's out about like we
got this new fucking thing about about it, bun, it's
(39:25):
going to do this then and the other. It's just like, No,
the fucking clubs work. They've always worked. This is how
it fucking works. That's it. And they're sexy and they're
so so well made. It just makes me feel like
those clubs I can grow into them and never beat him,
(39:45):
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean, you're never
gonna outgrow me until they start making golf courses longer.
You know, why do we need irons that go farther.
I mean his point is like, your driver is the
long club. Your irons are for consistency. So until par
five's or eight hundred yards, why the fund do I
needed to a seven iron that goes two? Dude, He's amazing.
(40:07):
I would love to play golf with him, dude, Like
I feel like he would just be dude. He's got
cool energy. Man, He's just like a vibe like Brian
and I are. So he reminds me of the dude. Yeah,
he reminds me of the coolest or the most fascinating
man in the world from that cool look to him.
I said that, just didn't say that when he showed
(40:28):
me his picture. I was like, yeah, he's the most
interesting man in the world. Yeah. I just it's so
weird and serendipitous. Again that word in this podcast, how
this happened? Um, a month ago, I didn't know about
Scott Golf and now we're talking to the owner and
I own a set. It was meant to come into
my life and to your guys life, and now we
(40:49):
just found out like that we shouldn't overthink this game. Guys,
it's just their irons that feel good. And if they're good,
use them. I'm so happy to hear you say that.
I'm just happy that you're sticking with a set right now,
right like that's been so impressive to me. Well, Darby
(41:11):
also went the way of the forged craftsman. He went
with the two thousand fifteen, which is the same year
as my Scott s g z O two's or oh
two's and it was like back when it was made.
Really well, yeah, I know, I'm now the only person
in the group who does not have a forged set
of irons, which is why I think I need the
Scott Golf USA copper set or thousand dollars. Um, I
(41:37):
have a little mulligan here. Um. I just got off
the phone before our podcast with Garson Grips, and Garson
makes a very interesting hexagonal poly hexagonal. I don't know
what they call it, but it's a weird form grip.
And Tony Fine now who plays for Ping, who I
(41:57):
use a Ping p l D putter. I used to
say p l D that he uses. He uses that
grip and I was very interested in it. And then
Lydia Co this week also uses Garson grips and she
just won so I called up Garson and I got
a Quad Pro or Quad Tour and it's awesome. It's
coming in the middle. I'm really excited to try on
(42:18):
my ping p l D murdered out no alignment answer.
Answer amazing. Yeah, So thank you Garson for being awesome
and giving me great customer service. I talked to Harley.
Thank you, Harley cool Derby. What's your mulligan? Mulligan? Alright,
so I had the jp X nine hot metals from
(42:39):
last season, which we're fine. They were great. They do
what they're supposed to do, but they just they didn't
feel right. And every time I go back to Roger Dunn,
they had this old set of Zoonos that came out
in like two thousand fifteen. You guys can fact check
me on the exact date that it came out, but
I think it was like two they're roughly seven years old,
(43:01):
and they're just a forged iron, and from the three
iron to the six iron there is a like micro
slot behind the face, so it's not like a hollow head.
It does kind of allow for more ball speed in
the longer irons, and and I and I just surrendered
(43:22):
to this idea that I am a sucker for good
marketing because these companies can come out and be like,
this club is better than the club that we made
twelve months ago, and it's gonna make you a better player.
Hey guess what, I've played twelve sets. My handicap is
exactly the same. So I was like, look, let's just
find a club that feels good, that is consistent. And
(43:44):
the weird thing is the older clubs, the solid steo
clubs to me, and the data proves it, have a
better dispersion than all of these quote unquote gain of
improvement irons. So I am now a solid steel Give
me a classic club, traditional lofts. I don't need my
(44:04):
seven iron to go two hundred yards. I needed to
be able to stay in the fairway and be consistent,
and that's what they do. They figured it out back then.
It works the same today, And like I was saying,
until a par five is eight hundred yards, there's no
reason for my seven iron to go two hundred yards. Uh.
But yeah, I'll probably still buy drivers every time they
come out because that's fun. But I think that maybe
(44:28):
then because we're all starting to head this way, right, Like,
I feel like I've found my forever set until Brian
gets me these copper Scots um Brian's and his forever set.
You seem to be in a forever set. Like what
if we made a deal between the three of us
that for the next two months we play our bag
as it sits today. Oh easy. First of all, my
(44:50):
plan is to keep my clubs until I can buy
a brand new set of the Wilf Wilson staff blades
or the Massuno to two ones, the ones that are
four the only it's the is it the two two
ones and the two two threes right, or is it
just the two two ones that are forged in Japan?
To two one, two two three and two two five
were all um made in Japan, but only the two
(45:14):
two one and two two three's has a different forging
process than the two to five. So until I can,
you know, get me a left or you get the
copper Scots or the copper Scots. We'll see, we'll see.
That's like, that's like a dream set. I don't even
I I highly doubt he's ever even made a left
eat man. Maybe he has, but if he's made one
(45:34):
and one, what did he say was like one to
five hundred or one, one, one, one hundred. He's only
made a hundred lefties that's crazy and one. I'm fine
with that. Well, that was a good episode, Yep, it was.
It was, oh, where can they find us? They can
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(45:59):
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You're listening to Balls and Holes, Jessica Bows, Brian and Pascarelli. Hi, babe,
You've been selling quite a few clubs on offer up
and Facebook and pretty much anywhere you can pimp your
stuff out, and it's been really, really hilarious to watch. Um.
(00:29):
You used to have me do this for you, and
it got to the point where we were selling so
much that I was like really tired of being the
go between, right because it's like I'd post it, then
they'd ask me questions, and then like you'd want to
be involved, and it was just I was this shitty middleman.
So you have now taken it over on your own. Congratulations.
You are more adept in social media than you were prior. However,
(00:51):
I think it is worth mentioning that you kind of
use this as what appears to the layman as like
a dating site. The conversations that you have with these
strangers about clubs is hilarious. And one of the things
for people who don't know you is that when you're
talking to people or you're texting with people, you have
(01:13):
this really great thing that I much appreciate as a wife,
where you like read out loud what your conversation is
you like read what they said and then you read
what you're typing back, and like, you've been doing this
and it sounds so I can't even say the word feminate. Thing.
The other day, you were talking with somebody, and you know,
(01:34):
the big thing that we've had to get past is
that there's a lot of scammers out there. So you
place something up for sale and then you get a
ton of people doing like is it still available? Is
it's still available? And then they're like, give me your
phone number. I want to talk to you about this.
And I had to very much say, Bride, don't give
out your phone number, because this is how scammers like
reset your zel or your PayPal or your Venmo or whatever.
(01:54):
And so it's been this huge hurdle for you. And
so I've taught you like, hey, you've really got to
look at who you're talking with if you think they're serious,
like check out their profile. So you were dealing with
somebody the other day and the message that went back
to them after I had taught you this was like, hey, man,
I looked at your profile. You look like a cool
surfer dude. Why don't you call me? Will you please?
Call me and I was like, bro, this sounds like
(02:18):
like a date, and you were like, no, it doesn't,
and you got all piste off and then you came
back in like two hours later and you reread me
like what you guys were talking about, and you were like,
this totally doesn't sound cool, does it. It was like, no,
it sounds like you're like on Tinder, like the Tinder
of golf club trading, which, by the way, I'm gonna
(02:40):
ahead and say, that's a great idea. That's a great app.
It was mine. We talked about this the other day.
It's a great app. Right, you get to like flip
through look at what people have. Are you interested? Are
you not? Left? Right? It's great. But Brian is really
taking it to another level with the communication between the
people that he's talking to on these sites. I'm getting
a lot of responses, but not as many as I
(03:02):
wanted for my offer ups. I'm not getting that much
on Facebook market Place. But if someone does say something
and they're into it, I'm so excited that they love
golf like I do. And then we started negotiating and
bargaining and they all try to lowball me, and I'm
like dude, have you seen the tax on this thing?
But it goes a little bit further than that, because
we have felt comfortable enough recently to let a couple
(03:25):
of these buyers come to our home in order to
pick up their purchase, of which then it's like you've
literally dragged a couple of them in here and like
shown them every room in our house that has golf
clubs all over the place, and you're like, look at this,
and I've got this bird. And I started calling you
the Jeffrey Dahmer of golf club sales because these poor
(03:46):
people like come over to pick up a club and
they're here for like an hour because you guys nerd
out together. And there was one guy where I was like,
do you need to call your wife and let her
know that, like, we didn't murder you and you're just
looking at golf clubs with my husband Jessica in my defence,
and this is customer service. And guess what, I've had
repeat customers and they referred people to their friends because
(04:06):
of my awesome customer services, which is which is how
he ended up with the Scots. By the way, that is,
I will thank you, I will, I get it. But
I gotta tell you, having a front road seat to
this show is entertaining that you should be proud that
I'm getting rid of all the golf ship in our
house and I'm actually selling them. I mean I am,
(04:27):
but wow, has it really opened my eyes to a
new side of you that I did not know existed.
I just care alright, alright, you guys have grown accustomed
to the luxury of having what is essentially a golf
museum at your house. So when people who who come
for the first time, it is a it is a
fascinating walk down history of golf. You've got old player irons,
(04:51):
You've got everything right, So it's a good it's a
good lubricator for conversation. We have an extra special guest on.
Yeah we do, yes, all right. Who is it? It
is the one and only founder of Scott Golf, Scott Peterson. Yes,
we have him on. Hello Scott. Hey, guys, how are you?
Thank you for having me? Thank you for being here. Um.
(05:14):
I have fallen in love with your golf clubs and
the whole philosophy behind it, and I'm so happy to
have you on here. I have a million questions. Well,
I think maybe you should start real quick by saying
how you even got these clubs? So, just so you know, um,
I've been trying to sell a lot of my golf
(05:34):
clubs on offer up and someone traded a Scotty Cameron
Center chef Phantom x Um for your clubs. And I
didn't know what your clubs were. And he says, I
have these Scots. They're better than Mira's. They're the best
irons I've ever had. And I said, why are you
selling them? He goes, I got him from my friend
(05:55):
in Korea. I said, well, bring him to Roger Dunne.
I need to hit him. I hit him. I did
the trade immediately. I've had him in the bag for
four rounds and they still survived it. It's and it's
all you've been talking about prior to getting those clubs.
You guys. Last podcast was all about forged clubs, right,
So why don't you tell me how did you get
(06:18):
into this, how did you become the founder? And why
what made you want to make golf clubs? Wow? Okay,
So about twenty years ago or more, I started getting
back into golf and loving it, but I noticed I
couldn't find anything that felt the way I remember that
I liked. So I started playing Mira as I started
(06:39):
playing fourteen and I was like, Okay, these are really nice.
They feel good. I like them. So I was like,
I can do this, and I started making some out
in my shop, out in my backyard. And it took
me a while. It took me a few years to
get him dialed in, but once I did, I was like,
these are as good or better than anything that I've
(06:59):
ever hit it. And then I made five sets. I'm
a general contractor and an engineer, and I built a
school in Phoenix. So I went down to Phoenix, played
golf down there with Arizona State and let him hit
the clubs for a couple of weeks and they said,
these are outstanding. Make them. That's where it started. So
(07:19):
from five sets, and now I'm they're even better than
they were. So now I made clubs and it's turned
into a business from backyard hobby. Okay, so it's been
pretty cool. Thank you for doing that. I was looking
at your entire um online shop. You have the s
G one to three and four. You have an awesome
(07:41):
copper set, you have wedges, putters, and bags. Did I
get that right? Yes? Tell me. The issue that we
were having in the last podcast with Darby Night was
these Japanese made irons made in Japan versus companies that
say they are Japanese but they're made in China. And
we had this whole debate and we are stuck on
(08:02):
these Japanese for rons. Tell me what the process is
to make a scott Golf iron. Is it made in Japan? Yes?
So I have built really good relationships with a couple
of the best forging facilities in Japan, and that's taken
a long time. It took me about seven years to
get in with them and then but now they're like
(08:24):
my good friends, you know. So you know, I know
the Mirror boys I know, and those guys I know
itto Bury Golf, their whole company, you know, in Mayuki,
the founder, you know, we're good friends and we share clubs.
You know. I'm actually designing a driver and some woods
(08:45):
for them right now. So he gave me a full
set of his dragon welled irons, ridiculous, but mine are
better so and he knows it because he has a
set of mind that I made for him and we exchanged.
But that's been a really fun road and I've made
some really good friends over there. What made you decide
(09:06):
that Japan was the only way to make your clubs
um The reason is their reputation. They just seem to
have a higher standard that they're going to hold high, Okay,
so when they when they do something, it is done
at the highest level, or they won't do it, okay.
So that's that's where my company is as well. If
(09:27):
it's not going to be the best product, I don't
want it. I have to be. I'm a small guy.
I'm just the little guy in here. I just you know,
if I do thousands of twelve hundred sets a year,
that's that's huge for me. I was looking on the website.
You you limit your quantities to two hundred pieces of
each one of your iron wedges only. Is that correct?
(09:49):
And that's to ensure quality control, craftsmanship, correct, all of
the above. We were also talking that you only use
ten twenty carbon steel, which you were saying was like
the old miras and how those felt that correct? Yes,
it is. Yeah, why did you choose that? Because I
own your clubs and I love them, tell me, tell
me that the reasoning behind all that. So ten twenty
(10:13):
carbon is what everybody used to like to use because
it's it's a softer, more mild carbon steel. Okay, so
that's where the field comes from. And as soon as
they all change that, the feel went away. Now they're
making you know, titanium face and using stainless steel and
metals that are have a harder, harder feel, and you
(10:35):
don't get the same sound. You don't get the same
feel out of that. Is this process more expensive, more
labor intensive? But you don't care? I do not care?
And is it is a little more expensive but not
not crazy? You know, it all comes down to if
(10:55):
you have a good crew, you have the right guys,
you make in a right product, and if you may
enough of it, then the cost is down anyway. So
then help me understand if it's not a huge price difference.
I've hit your clubs, they're amazing. Why aren't Why aren't
we seeing more forged clubs out there? Is it a
production thing? Is it just mass production? The mass production guys,
(11:18):
they're they're working on a whole different price point. Okay,
So there there is a big difference between a cast
head and a forged head, probably three, four, even five
times as much to do a forged head than it
is to do a cast head, and then they're incorporating
what they wanted at Some of them claim this is
(11:39):
a forged club, but it's not. It's got a forged
face that they glued on the front of the golf
club or somehow well did it on there. They call
it coining. Okay, so when you coin it, it's just
a face on it, it's not. The whole thing is
not forged. So the the original companies that forge are
very few anymore. You've got probably you know myself, You've
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got me r, You've got stricks, and I think still
for just some clubs Massouno maybe, but I think even
Massouna went to China now so their field they lost
their field Derby. Do you want to comment on the
massun No comment. Yes. I actually just picked up an
old set of Massuno MP traditional loss and they feel incredible.
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And Brian and I had been on this cast verse
forged thing for a while and between both of us,
I think we've played every club that's ever been manufactured,
and I'll never buy a cast club ever again. I
like a solid piece of steel forged. There's there is
no feeling like it. I feel like my dispersion is better,
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it's more consistent, and all around just a much better feel.
I feel like I'm one with my club. I don't
feel like I'm I'm having to to force my club
to do anything. If my swing is correct and all
my my setup and everything is is in line. You know,
it's the club is just an extension of my body,
and and that's how it should feel. Whereas I feel
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like even like the I just I just played the
hot metals, the new hot metals, and they're clicky, they
don't feel they don't feel good. But yeah, that's that's
kind of where I'm at. I'm all on board with
the traditional loft fully forged clubs. Olds are good stuff.
You heard it, Derby. You got verification from the master
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builder that your set is fine even though you should
go into some scots. Look, I plan, I plan to
make that upgrade. And let's talk about that. So your
your your clubs are relatively not that cheap. But as
we know, you know, it's it starts at you know,
one eight and goes all the way to your magnificent
(13:52):
copper set that is three thousand, eight hundred dollars. Can
you tell us a little bit about that copper set
because we drool of Oh my god, I fell in
love with them. You know, the copper is it's it's gorgeous.
It's so I use you know, I take them back
in my shop. I we strip them down. We and
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then it goes through a whole plating process and that
this is just out of my bag. Oh my god,
that is for the listeners. Scott is holding up a
beautiful copper iron three iron? Is that what you play with? Yes,
that's in my bag. That's not in my bag right now,
but it is in my bag. So is there a
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few difference between the copper plated clubs in the traditional
ten twenty carbon steel? No, No, the copper finishes uh
probably a little bit softer than the chrome. It doesn't
affect it at all. So what we're saying is we
all need a set of copper sky irons. Wait, hold on, Scott,
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is it ten twenty carbon with a copper finished or
the entire head is copper? Oh? Yeah, yeah, so it
does a copper plate. Okay, So we stripped down the
heads back to raw and clean them, polish them, then
reintroduce him when Nickel played it, and then copper plate. Yeah, dude,
these these these Copper clubs are like the most beautiful
things I've ever seen, man Like, they are just stunningly beautiful.
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We were all hanging out last night and we were
watching or we were looking at the clubs and we
were like, look at these ones, look at these They're
just they're incredible. How how are the consumers responding to those?
Are those your number one sellers? The copper is No,
it's not, definitely not the number one seller, just because
everybody wants the bocket the price. Okay, it's more of
(15:44):
a gift product. Most people are buying. Okay, so bigger
you know, corporations, companies, business owners, they'll buy sets for
their employees or for themselves. Okay, Um, I do sell that.
Just boxed up a couple of sets right now that
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are going out to Florida and they're the owners of
Orchid Golf Bags. It's it's a special treat thing, is
it kind of is you know, when you spend you know,
four thousand dollars on a set of irons, you want
they look good. And I've been playing a set for
about a year and a half just seeing how durable
they are and even out of my wedges out of
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sand and rocks, and everywhere I've been it's still good.
Um I was. I'm amazed how well they hold up.
I saw on your site that you do a lot
of custom laser engraving. Tell me about that and how
how how are people responding to that? And that is
really good? People love that, okay when they can order wedges.
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My wedges are pretty. They're just pretty and simple. So
the backs are like an open slate for artwork. So
I've done thousands of wedges that are custom made with
you know, their nicknames, their pop's name, their school mascot,
you name. Everything is customizable, right this you you can't
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buy this at a store. You have to call you
at Scott. By the way, if you call Scott Golf,
you get Scott Peterson, the owner. You don't get a company.
You get him, which was insane. That's how I met you.
And I'm so glad you're on the on the podcast. Um,
so tell me about that. UM. You know, I don't
like ever calling anywhere because you know, you want to
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speak with the representative. Push three and then you get
another recording and I hate that and I never and
if somebody wants to know about my product that I designed,
that I make. There's nobody that knows it better than
I do. So you're going to keep on the trend
with this customization. UM go directly through scott Golf to
get their clubs right, Never a big box store. Ye,
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I don't. It's a whole different game. I don't. I
don't want to go into that market. I'm talking about
the marketing and what where where are your markets? Are
you in big in the United States? Around the world?
How does that one work? Um? I am worldwide. I'm
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got a good market in the US. I have a
really good market in South Korea, and in Japan, Thailand,
Saudi Arabia and Dubai okay, so oh, and Spain and France.
They do quite a bit of business over there too.
So why why do you think this is? Are are
they looking? Are those type of consumers like very particular
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about their clubs? Are they do they want something that
is a USA company or do they know that it's
coming from Japan? Why? Why do you think there's such
a big demand in those particular countries? They are? They
want something different? Okay? They don't want to go in
I mean ever, anybody can walk into Galaxy Golf and
walk out with a so the titlists. Okay, but when
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and I think, I think they want something different, they
want something better, they want something that is more unique
on the luxury end. You know, I do a lot
of business at private clubs, country clubs that are really exclusive,
that are high end. That's a big market for me. Okay.
So it is the people that drive the Bugatti's or
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a Porsche or you know, a g wagon or whatever
you want. Whatever they want, you know, they want something
that's better, and so you know that's where that's kind
of my market. That's I am like the Bugatti of golf.
You heard it. That's the new tagline, Yeah, the golf.
Tell me what's your most popular style? You have one
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s G one, two and three and four. What what's
the most Is it a cavity back? Is it more
of a blade? You know in the US the blades? Okay,
the s G O three number one seller and the
s G O two would be right behind it. South
Korea and Japan, the s T O four ten to one.
The O one combo set is kind of a new
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thing and it's it's just starting to get out there,
so we'll we'll see where that one goes. I have
a question in regards to the traditional retroloss Derby Night'd
like to call the retro lobs. Um I have the
s g Z O twos or O twos I guess,
and the loves are very traditional. Are you staying with that?
Are you gonna because a lot of these companies are
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making very superduced power labs for game improvement irons. What's
your thoughts on that? My thoughts on that are I'm
not in the distance game on irons. I'm in the
game of consistency. Driver is for distance, Your irons are
for consistency. And why do you need a pitching wedge
(20:45):
that's gonna go a hundred and eighty five yards? If
you can hit a three hundred yard drive, then you
only need a Then you're you'll never see a club
below a seven iron or above. However, you look at that, Derby,
do you have thoughts on this? Yeah? I mean that's
exactly how they got me, dude. They were like, like,
you know, I'm I'm in the bays and I'm hitting
a seven iron two yards and I'm like, this is crazy,
this is amazing and then I'm I'm I'm realizing like
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the way that they the industry has like been able
to manipulate the way that we think about irons in
the bag. When now I feel like, since I've got
my massoua was, I think about my clubs and degrees
and not so much the numbers engraved on the bottom
of them. Because when I'm looking down at it, whether
it says a five or seven, if it's twenty six degrees,
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it's twenty six degrees. It doesn't matter what's written on
the bottom, it's gonna go the same distance. And and Brian,
we kind of we kind of tested that right, Like
we took a five iron that had the same loft
as a seven iron and they went the same distance.
The only difference was the older forged clubs had a
better dispersion rate left to right, like they were a
tighter circle. They felt better, And it's it's a really
(21:54):
smart marketing ploy. The golf industry has come up to
push product year after year, and at the end of
the day, it's all nonsense. Just by yourself, a well
crafted forge set in the last few for ten years,
that's it. That's where I'm at now, see Derby knows it.
I told him to say that exactly. Um, let's talk
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about your putter's. Um, you have two putters in there.
How how's that going? I mean, did you is that
a new thing for you or is that something that
you have a lot of passion or is it just
about an iron's You know, the putters are just kind
of a thing I do to help fill the bag. Okay,
anybody can make a good putter. There's a lot of
good putters out there. And what do you like, main
(22:40):
minor as good as anybody's. Okay, you know, Camera owns
the putter industry pretty much, you know, so we take
a second seat behind Scotty all day long. Okay, But
or you know, I test my putters against his or
anybody else's for that matter, and they're just just as good.
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I'll make three different putters and that's all I'll ever make,
and they're fantastic. Well, now we need Scott putters. Last
time I check, Scott, I had twenty nine putters, um
from every brand, know, so I don't have one of yours.
So I'm now gonna have to strongly consider it. Um
(23:21):
is it ten twenty carbon as well? Yeah? You will, Yeah,
you'll fall in love. You know. Are you a mallet
guy or a blade guy? Well, that's a great question.
I've now switched over to being a blade guy. I've
I've converted him to a blade plump plumber neck. Wait,
why did you say it's good, Scott? Because you're such
a traditionalist, is that why I am? I love? I
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love my blade So I just they're so good, you know,
they're just. But my mallet's really good too. So depending
on the day, you know, if I'm missing with my mallet,
then I'm putting the blade in, and vice versas. So
I have now come to the realization that I have
overthought putting. So I have a pink p l D answer,
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the milled one with no alignment aide. That's my new thing.
I don't want to have an a line. I want
to go all feel now. I like that. But this
is after like years of him, you know, customizing alignment aids.
I mean, he he brings something home and then I'm
gonna I gotta send this back, I gotta get a
new alignment aid I. I think I want it this way,
I want it that way. So it was such a
huge surprise when he got the answer and he comes
(24:28):
home and he's like, this doesn't have an alignment aide.
I mean there were nights Scott that he would like
have a sticker and we'd be like drawing lines on
it or you know, anything we could think of, because
it was all about the alignment aid. And now it's
about you know, the murdered out p LD answer with
no alignment And I have the Wilson eight zero two,
(24:48):
which is the NAPA style putter with no alignment aide.
I'm going real traditional on that one. There is everybody,
we're we're looking at the hopper blade Scott putter. Oh
my goodness, that is beautiful and it has spades on
the bottom. Does it have an alignmentate Scott, Yes it does,
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and people can customize it like myself without an alignmentate. Right,
you know, I mill them with those in but you can.
I even made and I did this one last week
just for fun. So this is one I did that
beautiful Okay, So it's part copper, part ground down to
(25:31):
to to the raw. You know, Oh my gosh, wow,
scenes are beautiful, guys. If you could see this, that's
just that's what I do. I play around with them.
How many sets or clubs, I guess is the right question.
How many clubs in your time of clubmaking have you made?
How many have I done? Approximately for myself? Yeah, just
(25:53):
for I mean no like in in you know, how
many clubs have you produced? How many are out there
in the world? How many are out there? Um, I'll
bet less than five thousand sets? So I'm a lefty.
I'm a lefty. How many lefty sets day? There are?
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Your a lefty dag? Okay? So yeah, one in in
five hundred our lefties. And that's kind of a big
thing in Canada, but not here. And he's not as
big in the US. Left in Canada's let wow, Canada. Yeah,
(26:37):
Darby has zero choices. And when we go to the
golf shop in Selection, we talked about all the time
it's poor Darby. It's a bummer. And then he can't
play with our cool club that we're going home. Yeah,
it's an issue. It's an issue. Let me ask you certain,
Scott um. So, I've been doing a lot of research
in Darby and I and Jessica, we all watch a
(26:57):
lot of YouTube videos on reviews. We read my golfs
by and you name it. We're golf chunkies. I want
to hear your thoughts on a company based out of Canada, ironically,
that we just talked about and Vancouver, Canada. It's a
director consumer. It's called Heywood. Have you heard of them?
I have heard of Haywood. Heywood is doing ten twenty
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carbon fully forged iron, just like yours. I want to
know your take on that. Um, they know something that
you obviously know. But the price point is very long,
you know, it's a tough question. I'm sorry, I don't Yeah,
I don't know where he's going with that, you know,
I think the companies will come and go like him
all day long. Okay's he's I think it's fairly new
(27:43):
within the last three or four years. Maybe at that
price point, I would do you either have to move
a lot of product or you're not gonna be able
to stick around. It could be a tough road. I
don't know. So they they're made in Canada, is there
do you think there's a difference even though they're using
the same deals you that you're sending it over to
Japan to be made. Is there like a quality control issue?
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You know? I would I would have a hard time
believing anything's getting made in Canada. Okay, I would. I
would put my money on that they're coming out of China.
I think I would agree with that. Um. You know,
I've I've been trying and trying for you know, years
to try to get a couple of buddies of mine
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back in Chicago to reopen dunlops old factory and forge
everything there. Wow. You know, if you know, if I
had an extra half a million dollars, we could do it.
But you know, that's about how much it would cost
to start up for one set of molds and and
get everything done over here in the US. And so
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everybody in the US wants to to see made in
the USA, but as soon as they see the price,
they're not gonna pay it, okay, So they'll bitch about
it and then they say, well that's way too much.
So you know, there's not anything we're doing or that
we're not communicating on, that we're not watching TV on,
that we're not cooking on that was made in the USA.
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You know, we couldn't do anything without China, you know,
and they better you know, realize that, you know that.
But I would everything that we've used or it gets
made comes out of China. So you and I were
talking on the phone, um, and you said that you
tried to use China, and then you stopped correct and
(29:28):
tell me what happened there. Lack of consistency. Okay, so
finishes were different, quality of the plating was inconsistent, and
they weren't getting prepped right. So the chrome was flaking.
So if I did a nickel plate, it would chip
and then it would just start peeling off. And I
was like, okay, let's you know, I can't have this.
So I still have a couple dozen sets beads out
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here that there'll be gifts. Those were still made with
ten twenty carbon correct. Yeah, so even though they were
with made ten twenty, those heywoods are made at ten twenty.
If they're not being produced like in Japan where you
send yours, it's gonna there's gonna be some inconsistencies. Um,
you know, not necessarily, you know, but there's always that chance.
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You know. I think I think they're capable, but I
think that it's hard to find the right company to
be consistent. And it's just so much cooler to know
that it was made in Japan. That's that was our
whole thing. And that's why we love having you on here,
is because I found you by happenstance. I found you
on accident, and I'm so happy that you're still doing
(30:34):
what you're doing. And the fact that they're so rare
and you don't make a lot of them. I feel
special owning that. Yeah, they're incredibly beautiful. I mean I
hit them and they just they feel like nothing else.
I mean I took him out to the range and
as soon as I hit him, I was like, I
want some, and then of course you looked at me
like I was crazy. But I've also not seen you
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really like Champion a set of clubs the way you've
been been in these clubs. I mean you tell everybody
about them. You make all of the pros at the
club trium like it's it. Really they speak for themselves.
The craftsmanship is incredible. They're absolutely beautiful. They feel amazing,
and it is special that you have them talking about
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pro Scott. What what famous golfers do you have are
playing your irons. I don't have any players right now
that are on tour. I had a few on the
Champion Tour a few years back, but it just there
they need catered to. Okay, so if you don't have
a somebody that can follow him around and be at
(31:38):
every tournament, and there was a pain in the butt.
They've turned these kids, especially now on the PGA Tour
in the Superstars, They're not just a golfer going out
to play golf anymore. They need um pampered. I really
don't care. I just I love that. I absolutely love that.
You know, I'll get I've got a lot of good players.
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I've got, you know, guys that were on tour or
played tour for a year or two and left and
they play my stuff because that's better than what they
can get it. Scott. The only reason why I asked
you is that the consumer, the average consumer so guided
by that and influenced by that. Darby Jska and I
we do not care. We care whatever works and feels
(32:23):
the best. It's just unfortunate that all these amateurs are
trying to be pros and there, you know, they see
them on TV. I mean, I'm not asking to, you know,
for any other reason that maybe someone wants to know,
and that would be their validation, which I think is
row exactly. Yeah, I may go down that road again,
and I've got a few guys that will be you know,
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they have they have the opportunity to get to the
tour you know, in the next couple of years if
they score right on the right day, because that's what
it boils down to. They're just as good as anybody
on tour. But they just didn't play their best the
every you know, on the on the day they needed
to win. On the final day, Hi school, They've had
a bad hole or two and that was it and
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they're done. So that's a tough road. Quickly before we
get too far away from talking about the p G
eight Tour and the players, and I'll tell you what,
to me was so refreshing to hear you say that
it isn't about the marketing, it's not about the business.
It's about the game and it's about the clubs, right,
which is what we're all here for. We're here for
(33:28):
the game. So to have that spectacle removed and at
the end of the day just focus on the gear
and the equipment in the game is refreshing to hear
from a manufacturer. You know, It's like, I appreciate that,
you know, it's it's it's uncommon and and it's and
it's unfortunate that it's that uncommon that you hear, you know,
(33:50):
people talk about their their product that way. It is
too bad. I know how good it is people who
hit it, you know. And I love going and doing
demo days, okay, and I love being put by the
Japanese companies. So and I'll tell everybody, go hit everything,
go hit it all, then come back here. Then you'll know.
(34:12):
And we have we have by the way, we have
hit everything good nothing, So nothing feels as good as
these clubs. Man, it's it's incredible. So you're a lefty,
you're swinging swingings some of Briand's on the right hand side.
I could swing a little bit right, but I mean
it's I mean that's I wouldn't. I couldn't game a
right handed set, but I can. I can still feel
(34:33):
the ball coming off the face. So yeah, man, I
it's crazy. It's after the last three months of just
playing all these game improvement iris and these like all
this foam injected whatever, just give me a well crafted,
solid piece of steel. It's we'll get the job done
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every day, all day, every day. Speaking of well crafted,
when Brian brought these clubs home. We all sat on
the couch and we were like inspecting these clubs and
the detail in them is so incredibly beautiful. It's like
the what what would you call the design the Greek keys,
(35:14):
the Greek keys. Yeah, and then you know, we're sitting
there and it's like you rub your finger on the
inside of the iron and the edges right are so sharp, right,
Like there's I've never felt a club like this. It's
it's just so incredible, like it was. They're perfectly made,
the perfect there's so attention to detail that even the
(35:37):
corners are so precise. Yea, yeah, the craftsmanship is incredible.
It's like I want everybody to know about Scott Clubs.
And then but like I also feel special that we
have a set special now Scott. What what's what's the
future look like for Scott? You just told me that
(35:57):
you're going into drivers, which I can't iagine how those
are gonna look. They're probably gonna be beautiful. What what's
next for Scott? Yeah? Woods, driver, three Wood, five wood, um,
and driving irons. They'll all be out for next summer.
You didn't say hybrids. Is that because it's to new school? Um?
You know, I I can't hit a hybrid to save
my life. Okay, so I can't either. I can't either.
(36:21):
Brian's the only one right now that can. Yeah, you know,
one out of one out of six shots, I can.
But if I hit it I had a two iron
or a three iron, I know it's gonna go down
the middle. So I just don't trust a hybrid. And
that's probably all in my head, but I'm not going there.
I don't trust him either. I hate him. I hate him. Sorry,
(36:45):
sorry those hybrid guys. But yeah, we again appreciate you
coming onto the show and and talking some knowledge for
people out there who don't know about your product. I mean,
it is the best iron I've ever hit, hands down,
and I can't wait to try your other stuff. They're
absolutely the best looking in my book. Yeah, where, um,
where can they find you? On social media? Scott Golf
(37:08):
USA on Instagram, Scott Golf Forward, Slash, Facebook, Scott golf
dot com and uh, if you need to talk to
Scott Peterson, his phone numbers on his website and you'll
get right through. Yeah, I know, right well, Scott, thank
you so much for coming on and talking with us today.
I think at some point, Brian, I'll make it out
(37:29):
to Utah to come see you and uh the first
rounds on us. Yeah, first rounds on us, and we
want to hang out and uh and see all the
different designs you've got going on. I love it and
thank you for having me up. Look forward to coming
down and meeting all of you down there. Well, this
was great. You know, nobody builds golf clubs the way
I do. Period. That was a direct hit, Bob Parsons.
(38:01):
I love it. Let's have a duel. Nobody nobody does
what I do. Okay, not even Bobby. Okay, Bobby's Bobby
has his own special clubs. I love. He's a good guy.
I love him. But my clubs are better. You heard
you heard it, your first game beef between Bob and Scott.
(38:23):
I can't wait. That's incredible. Alright, Well, thank you again, Scott.
It was awesome and I will seem sooner perfect. Thank
you guys. Okay, we're gonna take a break and come
back with Mulligans. Hi, babe, We're back with mull against.
(38:44):
It's Mulligans. It's Mulligan's Mulgan Mulligan. That's a good one.
Like that one. If you like your song. I look,
let's let's get it in the studio. Let's make it official.
I got to beat on deck, ready to go, you
got to beat. We got Cooper, he can produce us.
We get the Mulligan Sun down. So dude, that guy
(39:05):
was so old school and cool man like just he's like,
I don't give a shit. I make these This is
the way I want to make him. You don't like it,
I don't care. Scott Peterson gives zero funks about anything anything,
And I loved it. Yeah, And I mean that's what
I was saying. I was like, it's refreshing to hear
a manufacturer like say that. It's out about like we
got this new fucking thing about about it, bun, it's
(39:25):
going to do this then and the other. It's just like, No,
the fucking clubs work. They've always worked. This is how
it fucking works. That's it. And they're sexy and they're
so so well made. It just makes me feel like
those clubs I can grow into them and never beat him,
(39:45):
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean, you're never
gonna outgrow me until they start making golf courses longer.
You know, why do we need irons that go farther.
I mean his point is like, your driver is the
long club. Your irons are for consistency. So until par
five's or eight hundred yards, why the fund do I
needed to a seven iron that goes two? Dude, He's amazing.
(40:07):
I would love to play golf with him, dude, Like
I feel like he would just be dude. He's got
cool energy. Man, He's just like a vibe like Brian
and I are. So he reminds me of the dude. Yeah,
he reminds me of the coolest or the most fascinating
man in the world from that cool look to him.
I said that, just didn't say that when he showed
(40:28):
me his picture. I was like, yeah, he's the most
interesting man in the world. Yeah. I just it's so
weird and serendipitous. Again that word in this podcast, how
this happened? Um, a month ago, I didn't know about
Scott Golf and now we're talking to the owner and
I own a set. It was meant to come into
my life and to your guys life, and now we
(40:49):
just found out like that we shouldn't overthink this game. Guys,
it's just their irons that feel good. And if they're good,
use them. I'm so happy to hear you say that.
I'm just happy that you're sticking with a set right now,
right like that's been so impressive to me. Well, Darby
(41:11):
also went the way of the forged craftsman. He went
with the two thousand fifteen, which is the same year
as my Scott s g z O two's or oh
two's and it was like back when it was made.
Really well, yeah, I know, I'm now the only person
in the group who does not have a forged set
of irons, which is why I think I need the
Scott Golf USA copper set or thousand dollars. Um, I
(41:37):
have a little mulligan here. Um. I just got off
the phone before our podcast with Garson Grips, and Garson
makes a very interesting hexagonal poly hexagonal. I don't know
what they call it, but it's a weird form grip.
And Tony Fine now who plays for Ping, who I
(41:57):
use a Ping p l D putter. I used to
say p l D that he uses. He uses that
grip and I was very interested in it. And then
Lydia Co this week also uses Garson grips and she
just won so I called up Garson and I got
a Quad Pro or Quad Tour and it's awesome. It's
coming in the middle. I'm really excited to try on
(42:18):
my ping p l D murdered out no alignment answer.
Answer amazing. Yeah, So thank you Garson for being awesome
and giving me great customer service. I talked to Harley.
Thank you, Harley cool Derby. What's your mulligan? Mulligan? Alright,
so I had the jp X nine hot metals from
(42:39):
last season, which we're fine. They were great. They do
what they're supposed to do, but they just they didn't
feel right. And every time I go back to Roger Dunn,
they had this old set of Zoonos that came out
in like two thousand fifteen. You guys can fact check
me on the exact date that it came out, but
I think it was like two they're roughly seven years old,
(43:01):
and they're just a forged iron, and from the three
iron to the six iron there is a like micro
slot behind the face, so it's not like a hollow head.
It does kind of allow for more ball speed in
the longer irons, and and I and I just surrendered
(43:22):
to this idea that I am a sucker for good
marketing because these companies can come out and be like,
this club is better than the club that we made
twelve months ago, and it's gonna make you a better player.
Hey guess what, I've played twelve sets. My handicap is
exactly the same. So I was like, look, let's just
find a club that feels good, that is consistent. And
(43:44):
the weird thing is the older clubs, the solid steo
clubs to me, and the data proves it, have a
better dispersion than all of these quote unquote gain of
improvement irons. So I am now a solid steel Give
me a classic club, traditional lofts. I don't need my
(44:04):
seven iron to go two hundred yards. I needed to
be able to stay in the fairway and be consistent,
and that's what they do. They figured it out back then.
It works the same today, And like I was saying,
until a par five is eight hundred yards, there's no
reason for my seven iron to go two hundred yards. Uh.
But yeah, I'll probably still buy drivers every time they
come out because that's fun. But I think that maybe
(44:28):
then because we're all starting to head this way, right, Like,
I feel like I've found my forever set until Brian
gets me these copper Scots um Brian's and his forever set.
You seem to be in a forever set. Like what
if we made a deal between the three of us
that for the next two months we play our bag
as it sits today. Oh easy. First of all, my
(44:50):
plan is to keep my clubs until I can buy
a brand new set of the Wilf Wilson staff blades
or the Massuno to two ones, the ones that are
four the only it's the is it the two two
ones and the two two threes right, or is it
just the two two ones that are forged in Japan?
To two one, two two three and two two five
were all um made in Japan, but only the two
(45:14):
two one and two two three's has a different forging
process than the two to five. So until I can,
you know, get me a left or you get the
copper Scots or the copper Scots. We'll see, we'll see.
That's like, that's like a dream set. I don't even
I I highly doubt he's ever even made a left
eat man. Maybe he has, but if he's made one
(45:34):
and one, what did he say was like one to
five hundred or one, one, one, one hundred. He's only
made a hundred lefties that's crazy and one. I'm fine
with that. Well, that was a good episode, Yep, it was.
It was, oh, where can they find us? They can
find us at Falls The Letter in Holes Golf on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, Facebook,
(45:59):
That's Falls, The Letter in Holes Golf. Thanks for golfing
with me, guys. I love you, I love you guys,
thanks for golfing with me. Balls and Holes is produced
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