Lefty and Righty - A New Balls N Holes Feature

Bryan and Balls N Holes family member Darby create a special episode called Lefty and Righty where they dive deep into gear - really they just nerd out like golf freaks normally do! This week they debate Japanese club manufacturing, putters of course, and whether types of balls really make your game better?

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
You're listening and Holes Jessica Bows and Brian Pascuari. So
we are here with a new segment called Lefty and
Righty with Brian Pascuarely and Darby Wilson. So this is
brought to you by Balls and Holes Golf Podcast. Is
a special segment with Darby and I called Left and

(00:25):
Right eight to give a left and right perspective on gear.
And I'm lefty by the way, and I am righty
off to a good start. So what I think we
should talk about is something that we both owned, that
you still captain. I now returned the titless t SR

(00:46):
driver line. Yes, what do you have? I have the
three and I haven't. I don't think I've hit the four,
but I did not like the two at all. I
was the same problem I had with my ping G
four to five, where it was just two spinny there
was two. I don't know. I think probably my guests
would be the CG pulled back so far. I was

(01:06):
launching the ball too high and generating way too much
spin and my ping I was playing at like eight
degrees I had I had a nine degree might even
be yeah, it was eight degrees. I didn't go down
the full degree and a half, but I was playing
it at eight degrees still spinning it like five thousand,
seven thousand rpm. So the typical spin rate that we

(01:27):
want for a driver's about two hundred. Ideal for me
would be like twenty two three even lower, and that
causes the ball to have a lower trajectory most of
the time and roll out further. So in the TSR line,
we have the TSR four three, two and one. What's
out right now is the four, three and two one

(01:48):
will be coming out when the new year, the new year, right,
the new year. So the one traditionally for the T
side line was like the most forgiving. The four in
the line that's out right now as small as a
four thirty c C that's the club head, um uh size.
And so the TSR two and three are four six

(02:09):
c c c s. The four is designed for probably pros,
what would you say, definitely, So the smaller the head,
the faster the club speed is what is what the
argument is. But you're losing you know, diameter for I
guess hitting area, yeah, forgiveness. Right, So the two and
the three, like you know, but we have touched on

(02:30):
are targeted more for the golf who has either a
slower swing speed or needs help you know, finding the
middle right, and the two is has real no adjustabilities
except for the hazzle. There's just one tungsten weight in
the back. But the three is like one of the
most popular ones, like the pros. There's articles I've read
that says, don't mess with the three, and that's the
one you own, right, Yeah, And I love it. I

(02:52):
mean I have definitely messed with it. I've played with
every setting of the shorefit. I've moved the weight everywhere
you could in combination with li angle, and I finally
found what works great with my swing. And I mean, dude,
there's nothing like it. But the funny thing is I
hated it initially when I first hit it in the

(03:13):
base indoors. It was until I got outside that I
really fell in love with it. I still hate him, um,
I hated him from the beginning. But the promise is
that you and Rob our friend got him, so of
course I had to get him, and then I bought both.
I bought the T S R two with the graphic
design tour a d d I six stiff shaft. Then

(03:33):
I got the t s R three with the tense
A one k black grams stiff, and now I had
both because I liked the two initially. Yeah, and I see,
I thought I was gonna like the two. I wanted
the maximum forgiveness. I was like at a position in
my game where I was like, I just need this

(03:54):
to be easier. I got to be able to be
more consistent. But I I encountered just massive spin issues,
like the ball would balloon up, it wouldn't go anywhere,
and it was straighter. I was definitely hitting it straighter,
but at a sacrifice of losing like thirty forty yards sometimes.
So I've seen you hit bombs, I've hit I've seen
you hit at three d and sixty three yard shot.
I was there, so we were like a hundred feet

(04:16):
in the air, but still like I'll take it. But
and and that's the reason why I bought it. I
did initially did not like it the looks of it.
I don't like the traditional glossy look. For some reason,
when I had the two, I liked it. I didn't
like the sound of it, and I was losing about
thirty yards from the driver that I was using currently.
The zax ceo X and I love that. That's my

(04:38):
current gamer. But I really liked the two because it
was very consistent. But I didn't like how it sounded click,
not even clicky. I I don't know, it was just
it sounded like I was hitting the top of the
face way too much. So then when I got the
three and I saw you hit in bombs with it,
I was when I connected it would go far. But

(04:58):
the mrs her like, I felt it. Yeah, I mean,
I guess that's goes to show the importance of not
I mean fitting obviously, and having the dryball data is
important because then you can really see what technology and
combination of shaft, lie angle loft works best for your
swing style. Right for for me, even like going back

(05:21):
was it? How long are were? A couple of days ago?
I went back, I hit my old driver and I
hated it. And you would have asked me two months ago.
I was a die hard. I was a ping MAXI
all I all this? It was it ping was it?
That was it? And I loved the I love I
loved the was it the dragonfly the what's the ship called?

(05:42):
The well? The dragon play was and then the turbulators yeah, dude,
I loved the turbulators. It helped me with alignment. Like
I looking down the Matt Black, it was like, not
distracted by the reflections in the gulf the fucking head
of the club. Now, I'm like, I looked down at
the TSR and I'm like, this is the most beautiful
thing I've ever seen. So this is why it's called
left and ready, because my opinion is where it says

(06:03):
t s are on the on the head or to
address their your golf ball is way too close to
the hozzle. It's so distracting. I looked down. I'm like,
I don't hit there. I hit I guess more on
the toe. But my zex, who doesn't have that marking
so close to the hostile it messes with me. Forget it.
I'm not I'm done with it. I returned it. I'm

(06:23):
selling it right now. Yeah, I mean I did. This.
Driver turned me on so hard the title list that
I went and bought Titlest t three hundreds so I
could have titlest irons with my titlest driver. And then
I got rid of my tailor made wedges, which, by
the way, we're phenomenal edges, and I went back to
get Volky wedges, which I used to hate. I had

(06:44):
a massive issue with pulling those wedges to the right.
And now I'm playing a it's an older Volky. It's
an SM seven is my fifty six, and then I
have SM nine for my fifty two and they're they're
they're incredible. So when Darby says he's pulling it to
the right, guys, that is left for us, right, He's okay,

(07:04):
there's not too many lefties out there. So, um, I
too had an issue with pulling left on my bocies,
which I don't have. I I agree with you because
I kind of got turned onto Tyler's who I really
didn't know much about Tyless. I always thought it was
a better player iron um, but they were always so small.
But now I'm gaming the T four hundreds. So so
is my wife Jess, who's part of Balls and Holes here,

(07:27):
and um, I like him, and now it's making me
look at other Tireless products. I do like titlests, I
just don't like the driver. I mean, when I was
gifted my Scottie Cameron Putter courtesy of Balls and Falls,
that Putter changed my life. There's Stude there's something about
like they like we're ping is just like they've kind
of mastered forgiveness, right and consistency. That's where they live.

(07:50):
If you're looking for like consistency and simple, Ping has
pretty much got that down. But I feel like titlist
has always kind of been more forward in terms of
like pushing the boundaries of what their technology can do
or I feel like pain falls more into the safe
zones of it. Yeah, they're they're pings known for a

(08:11):
very forgiving iron. They're just built like tanks. There is
a good brand to buy, you know, But I have
my own opinions on Ping. I don't think I'm ever
going to use a ping iron again. And that hook
comes to the whole casting process and like a this
feeling of it being cheap. It feels cheap because they're
not forged or made in Japan. That's exactly right. But

(08:33):
and we'll talk about that later. But today I did
hit the tylest t s, which are made in China
under tylst's supervision. But those were pretty awesome. So I
am definitely looking at the Tyles. But coming back to
the driver, I gotta say X and A on the
fucking titleist. Well, it's in my bag and I don't

(08:54):
see it leaving anytime. It does make me concern that
you're hitting it so far. I mean, dude, it's like
when I literally was hitting this thing, my spin numbers
were like I had never seen my ball hit the
net and look at the screen and see it under
And as soon as I saw that's what I I bought,
I was like this, I may not like this, but
I have to take this outside and play it. And

(09:15):
it's changed my game because when new stuff comes up,
and us golfers are so fickle, we have to buy it.
I of course fell into the trap about the Collaway
Rogue LST Max. I bought those drivers, returned him. Now
the TSRs came out and bought those and then returned him.
We get caught up in it and I want to
have the newest and latest geared. But I am hitting
the news x X, which is a great club. I

(09:36):
might not be getting as far, but they're pretty consistent
and I'm really happy with it. I mean, when you
connect with that thing, dude, it goes, it goes a
long way, and thank you. And and the part of
that is, and I've talked about this club before. It
has a stiff shaft in a graph fight, but it's
forty six grams and it's counterbalanced, so there's a counterbalance
in the grip and a color balance in the head,

(09:57):
so it's really lightweight. But for some reason it agrees
with me and I'm all for it. And on top
of that, I think I'm done with graphic design tore d. Yeah.
And on that note, I am just playing the stock
tense A one K black and it's a phenomenal shaft.
I don't feel a need to upgrade or or change
it all. You know why. It's miss Subishi Chemical, which
is made in Japan. And we're gonna take a break.
We're gonna come back with that argument on Japan made club.

(10:27):
We're back. We left with a conversation about Japanese made products.
Um darb As you know, I'm a big fan of
made in Japan gear. You are I, um I have
stories about it. Today I was actually hitting the Massuno
to to five irons. The reason for it is because
they are made in Japan, the shaft, the head, and

(10:48):
they're assembled in USA. This is a big deal. You
use some Massuno's right now, what are you using I'm
playing the nine to one Hot Metals from last season,
and they are cast. They are made in China. I
believe the shaft is made in Taiwan and they're assembled
in the US, and I have no issue with that.

(11:10):
They feel great, they look great, they play great, and
I love that. So this is a whole thing. So
now I'm on this whole kick about these companies saying
that they're Japanese forge irons or you know. So for example,
stricks On says they're Japanese irons, right, They're not. I
just we went to Roger Done today. I've seen the

(11:33):
x stricks On Sex Sex four or five and seven, um,
the new stricks On Irons, and we had to go
look at the box at Roger Done, and they're made
in China. So they're they're not made in Japan, even
though they say they're Japanese irons. I had an issue
with Mira, which says Japanese Forge Ions is in their tagline.

(11:55):
I had an issue with Mira, who their tagline is
Japanese Forged Irons. And I went to p J Superstore
and I bought the ice I C six zero one.
I thought I was getting mirror forged Irons. I bought
him for three thousand three dollars or something like that.
Found out it was the only mirror set made in
Taiwan because they wanted to call it a game improvement Iron,

(12:16):
so they wanted to expand their market. I didn't get
a mirrors. I ended up returning him. Do you care?
Do you care about this stuff? I mean, I I
get it. I mean I think if I was playing
a player Iron and it was forged, and like I knew,
I had the confidence level to like pure bladed Irons,
I think I would think more about like the construction
and where they're made and who made them. But I

(12:38):
think since I'm now, I've gone backwards right from a
player's distance Iron into a game improvement Iron. To me,
it's more just keeping it in the fairway, right If
I if I'm hitting my shots straighter, longer and more consistent,
the rest of it doesn't doesn't bother So the origin
of where it was made you don't get. You don't

(12:59):
really care about. I think if I if I once
I got into the Ford, because nothing I'm playing is
is forged, I think if I got into the forged Irons,
I think then it would matter. That kind of construction
would matter more like how are they're forging it the
metals that they're forging it with. But since I'm living
in cast Land, it's all mass produced cast anyway, and

(13:19):
I think that's where I'm at too. I want something
that is not cast. And unfortunately all of these companies
are making them stuff in time, which is fine, It's fine.
It's still great product. Tireless Callaway. You know certain companies
that don't make it in ton It is like sub
seventy um Bett, Nordi, Scotty Cameron, and you know, there

(13:41):
is something to be said about maybe more attention to
detail that it's not coming off a processing line. I
don't know. I mean, you know how mental golf is.
I think about these things when I'm about to hit.
I mean maybe it's me. I look, I think golf
is entirely a mental sport. And for me, the less
I can think about my swing or my game, the

(14:02):
better off I am. That's why I don't take practice swings.
I walk up, I know what I have to do,
and I hit it. That's generally right, like my I
play better that way. Nothing ruins my game worse than
slow golf Dearby, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I played
with you many times. I too, do not do a
practice swing. I can't stand practice wing. Actually, Lee Trivino said,
why do a practice swing. That's like three hundred more

(14:24):
swings to your you know, your eighty eighty round golf game.
I mean you hit at the range. Now you're doing
to practice swings before you hit. That's like three hundred shots.
Think about that next time you do a practice swing.
People out there and no practice swing. It makes you tired.
It's corny, it's goofy, and then people behind you are like,
what is this guy doing? And then you hit it
fifty yards down the freeway and then they're upset the

(14:46):
freeway fair way. Talking to coming back to UH made
in China versus Mana Japan or made in USA. I'm
looking at my pin cushion for putter, which is um
from Ping which you know you see be from Scottsdale
or Phoenix, Arizona made in USA, not anymore, and I
love the way it looked. I was excited about it.

(15:06):
I bought it. I still have it. I'm currently selling
it because when I looked at it, it just looks
so mass produced, and and and it messed with me.
Even though I'm using a pink peel d answer. The
black all black would no alignment aid and that two
is made not in Japan or not in USA. For
some reason, the milling gets me over that threshold, and
it feels more quality, I think, I mean, I understand

(15:28):
what you're saying from from when I think about my potter,
right like the Scotty Cameron potter. There's nothing that feels
the way that this Scotty Cameron does. I haven't hit
another putter that has felt that good, And I think
that's where I kind of go into like the player
irons the four gyronts, the more the ones that are

(15:48):
like geared towards a better player who deal more in
the realm of feel and being able to control their
shots and in shape their shots. Right Like, that's where
I think the feel of the club is more important,
where with these cast irons they're designed for forgiveness to
make it easier for the player, So it's almost less important.
Not that it's less important, but I think it's less

(16:09):
of a focus for the general population of people playing golf.
Golf is hard. Most people don't want to go out
and hit a butter knife for hours and struggle and
talking about this. How you say most people, I don't
think most people are thinking what we're thinking right now. Derby.
I don't think people care about the origin of their clubs. However,
coming back to the origin of clubs, and we mentioned Betnrdy,

(16:31):
I just want to put on the Regga betonrty socks. Dude,
I've been waiting to say that since you mentioned them.
The trash who wants to pay four a three put
even though it's made in Illinois or Chicago, wherever it's made,
it's made and always say forget it. I'm over. I'm
never playing Betnardi again. Terrible I hit. I'd rather put
with a soda can. I bought a Betton Hardy wedge

(16:52):
and we talked about it on balstin holes. Oh my god.
I returned it in an hour. But so it doesn't.
It doesn't always make a difference fits made in USA
or made in Japan. Like I said, most companies are
with the supervision of their you know, quality control. They
are making in China. It's not it's not bad. I'm
trying to find my forever set darb As you know

(17:14):
you've been there with me. I just want that one
set of irons that will kill all the other irons.
And I think it's going to be something from Japan.
I think I think they're the Wilson the Nines, but
I think I think you have them. Here's a problem.
So well, Wilson D nine, Yes, they're great. I have
the tense graphite shafts. I've been a graph fight user.

(17:36):
Now I'm almost going back into steel darb. As you know,
the Wilson D nine forged iron is pretty awesome though.
And in sticking with this Wilson line, I'm I'm a
big man and Wilson. I hit the Wilson staffs blades
this week I hit the Wilson um cavity back, which
are also blades. I'm and now I'm going back in

(17:58):
the steel shaft. I'm actually changing my tune door, but
I think I might go into like a bladed style putter.
I mean, iron, they grow up so fast, don't they.
What do you talk about? You do not hit blades, no,
but I don't hit graphic shafts in my irons. But
I will say I think people should be on the
lookout or look more into what's happening within Wilson, because

(18:20):
I think in the coming years they're going to start
to make a massive resurgence in terms of the stuff
that they come out with. The player irons are stunning,
They're beautiful, they are, and the issue I had with
them is that they're very weak lofted, and so you
have a three iron that is the loft of a
traditional or current you know, game improvement five iron. So
what I have a problem with is there's an extra

(18:42):
two clubs in my bag that I didn't need, and
I have a Bennington bag and only holds fourteen. I
can't squeeze anymore in there. And that's what happened with
my uh Mulligan, which we'll talk more about later. But
I had to get rid of my sixty degree wedge
to make room for my full iron set, which I'm
fine because I'm fine. I'm I'm okay not blading ball
across the green anyone. On that note, We're gonna take
a break when and come back with Mulligan's. M Okay,

(19:10):
we're back with our Mulligan's. What do you got there?
Dark Well? I, as I mentioned earlier, after buying the
TSR driver, I became title is obsessed. I got the
T three hundreds, which were incredible. They played great, they
felt great. They were a little heavy, they were a
little heavy, and they were smaller than what I was
used to because I had gone from playing the ping
I five hundreds to the sim to max Os. I

(19:34):
went from a player's disassience to the literal biggest iron
I could find. They were great. And then, um, Brian
and I had been talking for a long time as
why we don't play Missuno irons. And when the nine
three came out, the ones went on sale, I got them,
replaced the T three hundreds, and I am a Massuno guy.

(19:56):
Now I drew a titlist driver MAXI in a Massuno
Iron extra for everyone. Again, we're lefty and righty, and
I feel so bad for lefty here Darby because his
selection of clubs that he gets to choose from is
like ten percent of us right E's So when a
U set comes out and it's anything, he's like, Brian,
look what they came out with. There's a youth set.

(20:18):
It's literally it's actually the saddest thing. It's like six boxes, right,
you go into the whole store, there's like six choices
from the US section, and even even in the news
section there's there was not there's no Wilson's. They finally
got the I two tens which I hit today, which
they okay, and then most of the time Brian's like yo,
go oh. The two two ones they didn't have lefty,

(20:39):
I couldn't hit those and it's a struggle. Um Darby
looked it up. Um we had this part of my
mulligan because what we didn't know what the shrink zones were.
It's the z X for the z X five and
the z X seven. That was part of my mulligan.
I didn't like them. I like, I wanted to like him.
If they remained in Japan, it's they're not. We fanged
that out well. Talking about Mazzuno's we hit the two

(21:02):
two fives, I hit the two two fives today. The
two two ones and the two two three's are all
made in Japan. So the whole Massuna Pro line and
made in Japan. But any of the jp X hot
Metals or pros hot Metal Pro where what you have
are not made in Japan. And I think it's made
because they're not forged. I mean the cast it's China
that the the heads are cast made in China, and

(21:24):
the shafts are made in Taiwan, and then everything is
assembled here. So wait, you were talking about tilis and
you wanted to talk about balls. I have balls, so
I play a lot of balls, play with lots of balls.
You know, I lose lots of balls, and I play
with lots of balls. But I was playing the Tour Response,
which is a phenomenal feeling ball, incredible feeling ball. I

(21:45):
had the one that had the green line around it.
Brian put me onto them, and the alignment is incredible.
You line it up, you'll see your line. You light
it up. You don't have to be too concerned with
the direction. All you gotta focus on is making clean
contact the ball. The ball go where it's supposed to.
But I always, again I talked earlier, I had a
big issue with spin. I I tend to spin my

(22:07):
driver's really high and wanted to try the new A
v x is, which I also really really like. They're
a little firmer, but they're not too firm. They feel
good off the putter face. And then of course I
was able to get the UH pro V one X
left Dash, which are really hard to find. You could

(22:28):
rarely ever find them in retailers. And I took them home.
I threw them on the ground I putted with them.
They feel like rocks. They literally it is the hardest
golf ball I think I've ever hit. But I'm excited
to hit them because I want them to go miles.
So left dash, left dog probably one, you know. To response,
I don't know how much golfers are really paying attention

(22:49):
to the balls. I don't really pay attention too much
the balls, and I really should. I know which ones
I kind of like. I mean, I like the Wilson Triad.
I like the Zex Ceo ball. But my big thing
now with balls is whether or not I want to
play a colored ball or a white ball. And I'm
telling you the reason why is we always play with
a foursome and I hate going up to a ball.

(23:09):
Now are you playing? You're playing a tailor made. I
want to know that the yellow ball or the damn
orange ball is my ball. I mean, that's the extent
I'm at with balls now. I mean, I don't really
know that I can't really tell the difference. I mean,
you can feel a firm ball and a soft ball.
But I'll tell you where I really started to pay attention.
My golf spy did a really in depth study with

(23:31):
a robot, by the way, which I was very keen on,
because it drives me nuts when people do ball they
test balls on a on a on a simulator, because
to me, the data doesn't seem real, Like I don't
I don't know how you're gonna tell what the ball
is doing. Yeah, I guess there's a lot of science
and ship that goes on. But until you take it
outside and play with it and see the ball flight

(23:52):
in the actual air and how it rolls and all
that stuff, then I think you can take the g
C squad spin numbers and used the actual shots outside
and witnessed the ball. No, it drives me nuts when
people do these reviews on launch monitors because I don't
think that that data is quantifiable. I think it's like

(24:12):
so purely scientific, but I don't think it's actually what
the ball is doing. I think if you were to
do a low spin ball, get the dry ball numbers
and then take it outside, I'm pretty sure the flight
would look very different in reality than it does on
a launch monitor. That goes back to the MYC golf
Spy test because it was all a robot. It was
the same swing speed hit in the same place across

(24:32):
multiple different balls, and the difference was staggering. At our
swing speed, the pro v one x went thirty eight
yards farther than the lowest yardage and ball like the
ball that went the least far, which was an iron's
something shit ball thirty eight yards same swing speed. Robot testing.
I want to say something about that, and our next

(24:54):
second is gonna be all about robot testing and about
consistency and all this subjective analysis in these YouTube videos
about people hitting. I'm a huge fan of my Golf Spy.
I'm a huge fan of note Puts given podcast because
they do it right. They use robots, they use compression tests.
Now does that make a difference. Is our golfer is
paying attention to that stuff? And I think they should.

(25:14):
I think they like they fall in love with personalities
and they want to hear their favorite YouTuber or whoever
they are following in the golf world talk about these
products and that's the opinion that they take in. But
I think the robot testing is data that you can't
argue with right. The robots not gonna have a shitty

(25:36):
swing day, The robots not gonna be sore one day.
The robot is a robot, and it's going to do
the same job every time. Right, And of course we're
definitely gonna get into that on our next UHUM episode,
because that is the way it should be tested. But
coming back to balls, the difference between like a your
Thane ball or a Matt ball, all that stuff. I
have a superstition. I don't play with balls with the

(25:59):
number four on it. So like tylers one to three
and four, four means death in certain cultures, so I
do not play. I do also don't want to hit
four shots on my shot, so four is out. I
found out that Zexio is on the same line with
me and they don't have a number four bar. It
goes one, two, three, five, So I'm I'm giving you
the layman's perspective. Yes, I can get technical with the ball.

(26:21):
I can look at all this data. If I had
to play for money, I play a proby one just
because I know my golf spy has rated at Do
I really know the difference? Not really? No, not really,
I definitely do. I honestly believe the ball is just
as important as the club in your hand. I it's
the only thing in the air, and it's the only
thing that we're playing with. But I get it. But

(26:43):
I'm just trying to try and to think of the
average guy. You know, are are they looking down and
seeing a prob one and going, Okay, this is what
the prose is or this is the most expensive ball
versus Wilson. Tryad. For example, when Jesse and I play,
and when you and I play, most balls found we
find it's probably we might have to do a blind test.
I might have to. We might have to next time

(27:04):
we go play. I might have to bring a couple
different balls based on derometer and blind test and see
which one you think is the firm is softest. This
is so subjective. What if I had a bad shot
on that, I'm gonna blame it on the ball because
hard is hard and soft is soft. You didn't argue that.
I can say, I hit it off the hauzzle and
that's hard around the green and putting three miles per hour.

(27:27):
I can handle that. That's what I'm saying. Let's go
about you know what. Yeah, I think that is a
good way to test his the putting and maybe the
chips around the green. Yeah, I think like the firm
off the tee, the driver maybe, but to me, the
it's it's when I was like I was saying, when
I got home and I threw the ball in the ground,
I hit it with my putter. I was like, holy
sh it, it's a rock. I want to say one
more thing about you were talking about the too response

(27:48):
with the stripe on it, about aligning it. I know
a lot of people line up their balls and they
put stripes and all that. I do not. And I
actually went a step further. Part of my mulligan is
my new pain peel the answer putter all blacked out,
all murdered out. No alignment, aid, I'm not aligning ship anymore.
I don't. I don't have an alignment aid. I don't

(28:09):
have an alignment thing on my ball. Wherever my ball
lands on the green, I don't even pick it up.
I just I just hit it. It's all feel now,
it's different. It's he's feeling it, ladies, and Gen's I
was feeling his balls. I think that's it for today
for lefty and righty. Thank you Darby and uh. We
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