September 21, 2022 • 40 mins
Jessica and Bryan are Champions! The couple recap their epic win which happened to be the first tournament they ever entered. Tournament fever extends to a lively discussion with Chosen Family member Darby as the three discuss LIV and its party atmosphere vs PGA and its tradition. Also, Jesica surprises Bryan on the course.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
You're listening to balls and Holes Jessica Bowser and Bryan Escari. Well,
hey baby, hi baby. How's it going? It's pretty good. Well,
we're back with another episode of balls and Holes Golf.
So we had a been a great week. We did,
we did. We went to the American Family Housing Charity
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Golf Tournament. It's strawberry farms in Irvine, California, California. Yeah,
it was incredible. It was incredible my professor in law school,
Tamarack Kurtzman, who, uh is the head lawyer in charge
at TMK, which is her law firm. She's an attorney
and now that I'm an attorney, we talk all the time.
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She's an incredible advocate for everyone. She offered us for
tickets to a charity golf tournament that she sponsors, or
is is part of the law firm sponsored sponsor, and
she says that no one on her from golfs and
she says, I heard you golf. I said, oh my gosh,
we do, and she got us four tickets and we
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went and what a time that was, dude. It was epic.
I mean it was kind of funny leading up to
it because we got the call from her and we
got so excited. And so our original plan was that
we were taking in the chosen family, right, we were
taking Darby and Scotty. And then, little by little, things happened.
Life happened, Darby had to like dog sit and work,
and then Scotty just I don't know what happened to Scotty,
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but as we had to put together a whole new situation,
like we were kind of bummed and we were thinking like,
Oh my God, what is this going to do to
our tournament? And then it all just like fell into place. Yes,
then we got our boy vinny, the manager at North Hollywood,
Roger Dunn, our good friend, and we got David's young,
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my close friend from back in the sports la days.
I've known him for about twenty five or thirty years.
Excellent Golfers and we won. We fucking one twenty one
under par. Now I'm going to preface this because we've
caught a bit of flak from some of our friends
who were like, there's no way that you guys shot
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twenty one under. But I will say this. Most of
the holes it was straight golf. There were a few
holes that had some craziness to it. One for instance,
we put a ball in a cannon and it was
pumped with oxygen or helium, I don't know what it
was pumped with, but you pulled the trigger and you
had to shoot it onto a par three green and
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then you had to put it out from there, right.
And then there was a hole that we had to
guess our carry and if we were within five yards,
ten yards of our carry uh distance, then you got
to move up to the front of the green to
put for Albatross. That's right, and you guessed it. I
guessed it. They made me go first and uh, I
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took a guess and I was within three words and
I got some great swag and then we got to
go up and put for Albatross. Right. And there was
other things too, like every hole was like sponsored. So
like Wilson Golf balls were there. So Wilson tried. If
you bought a box of Wilson tried balls, you got
to so we did. We bought one box. So I
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mean I think those were the only three holes where
it was a situation like that. And like we started
the day off and we should back up. We get there.
It's absolutely beautiful right, like the golf course is gorgeous.
There's people everywhere, there's music, there's a bloody marry bar,
there's lunch being handed out. You go to the driving range,
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you you know, warm up and tons of swag right
check in, got all kinds of stuff. This was all
for American family housing charity, which is a great charity,
and they did it right. We had a putting contest and,
if you it was weird, like we all put it
in a circle. We didn't know that was going to happen.
And then all of our balls are getting hit and
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the four balls that were remaining then had to put
off from like ten ft around, and then after that
one person had to put four, five dollars from a
hundred feet. He lipped, he lifted his shot for five K. Yeah,
it was really cool, but it was it was really
well done. I mean we got swagged like hats, and
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then we got a like a cooler, the drink thing
that had a bluetooth in it. Yeah, it has a Bluetooth.
It was a like a craft that has a Bluetooth
speaker in it. We got shirts, we got hats, Jimmy
John's sandwiches, bloody marry bar, we had various cocktail drinks,
water and all the types of stuff. I'm just I
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was so excited. Yeah, it was like your your biggest
dream of free things. It was pretty great. So then
when they started our round, we all kind of went
in a single file line with our carts and the
marshals brought us to your whole it was a shotgun star.
Oh my God, that was such a cool part, right,
because we get in our cart, everybody's got a number
on their cart, and then we follow the marshals, but
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we were in the front of the line, which means
that we were going all the way in. So you know,
you you follow them in and then you look behind
you and you've got every single cart that's in the
tournament behind us and they're like making these windy turns
and it was just beautiful. It was it was hot,
it was very muggy and it was hot. But this
is also a day that I worked up to post
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covid right, like my whole fear the entire time I
was sick is that I was going to miss this tournament.
And so what we played at Svn on that Monday
and then that Wednesday we went and played and you know,
it was a hundred and ten degrees, but I had
to get out there to like shake off the COBWEBS.
And then Thursday was our tournament and we got out
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and it was amazing. It was amazing and there was
like a hundred and twenty players. I think. I didn't
go in thinking that we were going to win. I
went in saying, okay, this is gonna be fun. But
with our group, with you and I and Vinny and
and David, wow, something special happened, like it just came
together and it was like everything was right in the world.
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And we started off and like a couple holes in,
I kind of looked at you and was like, dude,
we're all playing like really good and like when I
would not play great because I was just not in
peak performance, like you guys were just like epic shots,
and then I was cleaning up on the on the
green and putting and like I had some amazing puts,
like it was incredible. Like we started doing we we
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did really good the entire time. And for those listeners
who don't know the format, it's a scrambled format. So
you have four players, you hit a ball, who who?
Whatever ball you want to choose. That's the best ball
you you play from that ball. All four of you
play from one club, link from that ball and you
hit and we take the best score as a team. Yeah,
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which is a really fun way to play and makes
it fast and everyone gets to see each other's shots.
and Um, I mean lots of Birdie's eagles. We had
tons of eagles, tons of birds. And then like the
putting I put. I putted so well we both cutted
lights out that day. I mean wow. And then there
was one of those holes that had a big inflatable
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guerrilla or dinosaurs and it was about like two twenty
yards out there and we were like, what the Hell
is that stupid thing out there? Well, apparently if you
hit your drive past that, two of your players had
passed that, you go all the way to the front
of the Green to put for Your Eagle. Vinnie went
out there, smacked one. You guys voted me for the
next one. I hit like the bomb of my line.
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Guys both hit bombs. It was hilarious and we went
up and and putted for that. But like, what a
great event. Point being we were playing with the same
rules as all Hud and twenty other players. So for
people out there like Mr Davita, who, you know, wanted
to give us so much flak and told us that
there was no way we played that well. We most
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certainly played that well. I hope that Brian Davide is
listening right now. We we were up against the same
rules and uh, and it was great. We had a
really great time. Every hole was, you know, something different,
and one hole had tacos, another hole had a ice
cream creamery, one hole had like a recovery station where
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they were handing out like pickle juice, and they had
like the tens units. Let me let me just stop
real quick about the tens unit. Okay, so every hole
they had like vendors there and, you know, wine booze,
so you can, you know, buy a year's supply of wine.
It was a charity event, so, you know, everything goes
with charity. But we go to like, I think it
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was like the ninth hole or tenth Hole. We're kind
of tired. They had a ten's unit, which is a
electronic device that sticks to your body and it pulsates.
Like what is what does it do? Just, well, it's
it's electromagnetic pulses through your muscles, right, so, like it
can strengthen your muscles, it can heal your muscles, it
gets blood flowing to your muscles. But like, man, they
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slapped these things on us and it was like the
best backrub that you've ever gotten in your life. And
they've put it in places where like hey, you can't
rub your own back and be like you can't even
rub my back like that, and I was so tired
and so exhausted and it felt so good. Don't say
anything more. Let me tell you, guys, what happened. They
gave us pickled juice. Jess is getting buzzed by some
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electronics stimuli. She pulls out five and buys it on
the spot. She buys two tens units on the spot.
Five Bucks, Jazz, I'd even say a word. I mean
that's your money, but my God, you just bought it. Yeah,
it works. And every night since you and I have
been laid around in bed with these things stuck all
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over our body. One day you like freaked out because
you were doing your abs and you got all these
cramps and you're like, Oh my God, Oh my God,
like I used it on my butt, I've used it
on my back, I've used it all over. It's amazing.
Bruce Lee used to do this. I want to be
like Bruce Lee. I put it on my chest to
build up the pectoral most and bigger hops than I have.
I cannot do the ABS. I don't know. I'm like
fat skinning. I mean I did my abs the other
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night and I got to say woke up the next
morning and I was like, Oh my God, Oh, what's happening?
I couldn't tell what was happening and all of a
sudden I remember I had used the tens machine and
was like, okay, like, I think you're way more muscly there,
so it works better on you. But I don't know,
I don't know if it's like we're sad this. Is
it say this or Massa case one of the others
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that likes his pain. I mean, I hope it's doing
something good for us. I mean definitely doing something good. Well,
either way, it goes to American family housing charity, which
was a good cause. It was a great cause and
it was some of the best money I've spent in
a while. You, I can't believe how you just blindly
just did it. Whatever it was, it was lovely. It's
worked out okay. So cut to we're playing and like
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our back nine was unbelievable. I think we're like ten
under even on the back nine, or fourteen unders two,
and we're like, Oh my God, I think we have
a chance here. Yeah, I think twenty one under might
do it, but you never know in these idea and
this was our first tournament. Okay, like we've been playing
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and playing and playing and we have not entered any
tournaments and we finally got this awesome opportunity and like,
you know how rare it is that, regardless of it
being a scramble or charity or whatever, it's how rare
it is to go and play our first tournament together
and win it. Dude, it was awesome, it was incredible
and our team was good. Our team was amazing. I
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had a black and we're talking about people. We we
met some really cool people. Everyone was I mean, of course,
as a charity event, so everyone's happy, but like we
met the printer for melon hats and we talked about
melon hats in our podcast and sure enough, this guy
was playing in his flip flops ended up talking. We
all had our melon hats on. That we had our
melon hats on and it was really cool. It was
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just a great event. I I want to thank camera
Kurtzman again in TMK law firm for sending us out there.
I mean it was a time of our life. I
can't like our dream, or my dream, justice to get
invited to as many charity golf turns or Pro Ams.
I mean, we have a podcast. Can't we do this? Yeah, no,
the Pro Ams and the tournaments are like number one
on the list at this point. Like we were so
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lucky to have Tamra do that for us and now
we just have to figure out a way to have
people continue to send us on their tournaments that you
know they don't want to golf in. I mean, look,
we can join our own tournaments too and we can
do our own charity, but like, it was incredible. I
had an amazing time. We owe Tamra a big time.
There's a nice dinner coming her way. And Yeah, we
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had so many cocktails different. What was it? Doghead Fish? Um,
they had their dog fish head, dog fish heads, something
so delicious. They had that, but it was just it
was ran so efficiently. And then after that we went
to like a barn on the course. So we play
strawberry farms in Urbane. It was gorgeous, course, very hard.
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Course it was really hard. And we went to the
after party, dinner for the awards ceremony. They had lamb chops,
they did, they Ketos, I think, Costa, Um, beer, fruit
cheese platters, you know, like the cheese platters, and then, um,
there was a magician. Yep, they had a silent auction,
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silent auction, and then they started reading out like the winners.
And sure not stop right there, because when we rolled
into this barn, you like went running up to the
guy who we had to turn our cards into and
you like slammed it down and you were like one
under and the guy kind of looked at it and
he looked at us and you go, do we have
a chance? And he's like yeah, actually you do. He's like,
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we've got a couple more players coming in, but uh,
but yeah, this is the best one we've gotten so far.
So we got super excited. So it was anticlimactic a
little bit, a little bit because we, quote unquote, tied
for first. This was kind of bullshit. We did tie
for first. What they ended up doing is taking on
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the front nine or the back nine, and they did
not clarify w nine they took and they compared it
to the other guys that we tied with. Apparently they
were one shot more under than us on either the
front or the back. Yeah, regardless, we are still in
number one our group. Dave Vinny, you and I are
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gonna go back and play this course for real, m
with our own scores. But what an incredible tournament. I
can't wait for the next one or any other ones.
It was amazing. It was a giant party. It was
a giant party. It was a giant party and you
know what, talking about giant parties, we're going to take
a break right now. When we get back, we're going
to have our buddy, uh, Darby Wilson, come back. We're
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gonna talk about Party and live golf. Okay, so we're
back and Um we were talking about the live golf
party atmosphere and the Charity Golf Tournament that we had.
That was a full party too. We have our friend
Darby Wilson here. We just played golf with today. Darby,
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how you doing? I'm good, man. I got I got
a new Scottie Cameron courtesy of balls and holes. So
that was that was exciting. That was fun. You deserve it, buddy, yeah,
you do. So we're talking about this new live golf
atmosphere that's changing the way golf is being perceived. Shorts,
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Golf Cart, girls, party, uh, concerts. Tell us what you're thinking. Well,
first let's start with the shorts, because I think that
alone is massive. I don't think I've ever played around
the golf in pants in my entire life. I don't
care if it's sixty degrees outside. I feel like it's restricting,
it's not comfortable. So I feel like these players should
be allowed to play with they're comfortable work. I get
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it's class, it's whatever it's. It's how it's been it's
how it's done, but it's also like, who cares? I
I just want to see the guys hit cool shots.
I don't care what their pants or their shorts look like.
Now the shorts are out of the way, I think
the format of live golf is interesting. I think like
it's fast, it's it's it's more fast paced. Right, so
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it's easier. It's easier tip to digest. Now, when I
watch golf in general, I'm not ever watching for five
straight hours. I'm like watching for thirty minutes and then
I'm on my phone doing whatever something or I'm eating.
So I think like there's an interesting they're really doing
a really good job of paying attention to what the
audience Um wants to see and and yeah, I think
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I think they've just made it more about the audience
and the people watching than just the players, which I
feel like in today's society, the inclusivity, especially when it
comes to content, is a massive part of it. Right
with social media, a lot of these kids that are
massive social media stars and these massive youtubers, their fan
bases watch them in an intimate setting. So I feel
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like from being able to consume live tournaments for free
on Youtube, promotes that same level of intimacy where you
feel like you're a part of it and you're not
strictly a consumer. So I think that they've done a
great job with that. I also really like that they
they've been doing these like master classes in between the tournaments.
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So they'll do like master classes on the putting green
with like some legend and he has like a group
of kids and he's teaching them like how to line
up Putts, like proper stroke technique. They've they've really done
a good job of making everybody feel like they're a
part of it, as opposed to just a bystandard, if
that makes sense. In my very long explanation, I think
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the format is incredible. I just think that it's such
a breath of fresh air right like every time, like
you say that you don't watch golf for more than
thirty minutes. Like we will legit lay in bed and
watch five hours of golf straight, like we we love it.
But wait, we only watch the masters for the majors. Yeah, okay,
but we've tuned in and watch live. It's pretty entertaining.
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I mean it looks like Coachella. We've talked about that before.
It's so much fun. It's so colorful, like they're just
doing so many things that like, I want to be
a part of, like I next year, like we're going
down and Darby, we're going to live golf. I mean
they just have such a like a different take on everything.
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Like there you you can see it. They're actually having fun,
I mean like and and they're bringing fun into it,
like it's you know, you're still quiet when people are
making their shots, but like then they've got this whole
thing like you know, like look at country club adjacent, like,
if our listeners are not familiar with country club adjacent guys,
like they're insane, they're hilarious, they're my favorite, like holding
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and I sat and watched clip after clip after clip
the other day of them doing the back off challenge.
They stand behind these guys as their teeing off and
they just rip on them trying to get them to
crack up or funk up, and it's hysterical and like
they're at every single tournament just having a ball. Like
I love country club adjacent. It's hysterical. I love that
that's incorporated into what it is they're they're doing there right.
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Like also with the the quote unquote press conferences for live,
it's just it's country club adjason guys just asking the
stupidest question. What's what they're doing is they're not taking
themselves so seriously and kind of putting a very interesting
take on such a snobby, uptight field of, you know, golfers.
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I just I don't know how at this point people
can't you know, I know people want to have they
want to stand firm on how they feel about this,
but like they just keep proving it tournament after tournament
like it's fun. I want to be there, I want
to be a part of it. I love watching all
the content. I mean like yesterday I watched Greg Norman
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get a mullet, like that Camp Camp Smith Gave Greg
Norman a mullet, like they all are getting mullets. Like
count me in, like, come on, didn't he skydive into
the tournament? Yeah, it's just, it's just, it's just exciting.
I mean it's dude, it's it's what it should be, right,
like it's it's a I don't know, it's it's funny
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because as I have these conversations with like that, I
understand the people who are like anti live, but I
almost feel like they, the people that are saying it,
don't even like fully believe it, like they're saying it
because they feel like they have to have that position.
But it's like it's obvious that the people and live
are having more fun. Even the players like it's a
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less stressful. It's hard. It's hard to like explain. It's
such an it's just such an experience, right, like that's
that's what they've made it and it's not just this
uptight Hoity toity goofy golf tournament anymore. You know, I
think the waste management whole number sixteen and the whole
waste management tournament tournament is a huge catalyst of this.
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They saw that and these and jet and you were there,
we were guests there. What last year, right, that atmosphere.
Live has captured that in a bottle and says this
is what the people want. There's money to be made there.
I mean when these guys win, there popping champagne bottles,
they're on their jets, they're partying it up. I mean
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I just saw something right before this podcast of p
g a Um Max Honma, who's saying we're gonna be partying,
we're going to the President's Cup, and he's like in
a regular jet and he's trying to have this like
dance movie. They're like trying so hard PGA to now
compare to live golf, which is funny because that's something
that to them must feel like they're having to stoop
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because of their position in this like the fact that
the PGA players are now having to put out content that,
first of all, in my opinion, doesn't even come close
to what lives doing right, and it's so obvious that
it's not close, that they're putting this out there and
trying to be live as they fly around and playing
their tournaments, saying fuck live, and they're just being lived
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in a in a worst in a worst way, in
a worst way. It's it's cheesy. What, Darby, would you
go to a concert with us for live golf? Like
they have big, big time names. Now it's like a party. diplow,
didn't they just get Jason Deruloh, they had white left John.
I mean, look, if I get to go, you know,
have an experience at a golf course, watch the best
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of the best play, then get that like see some
incredible music and then even like the little events they
have surrounding the competition, they have like like Carnival Style
Golf Games that you can like participate in. There's like nothing.
You cannot like go to live and not have something
to do. Right, like there's always something going on, there's
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always something to do where I feel like the PGA
tours just stand and watch these guys do it. Ego
on their website. That's one of the first things that
it says is like we've created this to cater to
the fans like this is this whole ideology of what
we're doing is for the people, and the people people
are receptive to it and I think the people that
grew up watching, you know, the Masters and the PGA
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Tour and how it's been, you know, for since the what,
mid fifties, I think it's it's right like they they're
resistant to the change. They're like they're like the old
guys that go to the concert that don't want to
get in the mosh pits so they stand in the
back and just kind of talk about how crazy this
generation is and they hate on them. I totally agree
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with you. And any controversy they have about live and
and the and the Saudi back money. What the Saudis?
They own a lot of Um football, soccer, soccer teams,
and they know that this team atmosphere, like in American football,
like NFL, or baseball basketball, everyone gets back behind these
teams and now there's team events that are really cool.
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You can win individually, but you can win in your
team events and all their merch is about all these
logos and and go support or team and that's awesome, right.
I mean they're tapping into that same money market genre
that that football is doing or soccer, you know, but
I feel like they're almost doing it in a better way, right,
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like you were used to soccer and we're used to
football and we're used to NASCAR. We're used to these,
you know, different arena type sports, right, and and the
people that come and gather around it. But like it
all has their own separate feel, right, like football it's
all about like barbecuing and getting drunk and, you know,
watching football and soccer is a little bit more rowdy.
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Like this is a completely different take on sports, in
my opinion. And also where in any what other sport
can you be that close to the players? Like you
don't have to have front row seats or anything like that,
or like a v I P box, which they do have,
a golf tourna base. You literally can walk right next
to these guys. We've been to yeah, we've been to it.
I mean we haven't been to live but like when
we went to waste management, we were standing right there
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as brooks walks up hits a shot. You know, I
mean it was it was incredible. It's the closest that
I've ever been to somebody in sports. So, Darb, let's
get your take on this. What do you think is
the the future for PG versus live? Is it gonna
IS PJ gonna try to you know, one up live
is live, just saying, ha ha, you we have the
last lap. You guys are now going to copy us.
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You guys were haters and check us out now. I mean,
I think that the PGA tour is going to continue
to struggle if they can't adapt. I think live has
just adapted to the Times. They they've utilized social media,
they've utilized youtube, they they've figured out how to attract
the younger demographic which the P G A has struggled
with for a long time, and I think like you're
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seeing it as as a result, like as a result
of what they're doing, you're seeing more young golfers regularly
out on the golf course right like I feel like
since the pandemic, more people have naturally gotten into the sport,
so to then go have fun on the golf course
and come home and and watch a sporting event that
you traditionally relate to, like if you were to sit
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down and watch football or sit down and watch basketball,
you're getting that same energy. So I think it's all
about adapting and that's exactly what lives done. And the
more that the P G A resists the change and
and the fact that people are enjoying it, they're gonna
if they're gonna have a harder time maintaining their quote unquote, prestige. Well,
and that's why I think it's so interesting to see
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this turn of events where the PGA is now starting
to behave a little bit more out of their realm.
They're trying to adapt, but it's it's it's obvious, like
they would do so much better if they just had
been in some sort of agree and agreeance isn't the
right word, but like if they would have been more
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supportive of this, like it would have looked better, it
would have jelled better there, they would have naturally adapted,
and now it just feels forced and weird right and
and PA looks bad and they look they look bad.
Here's my idea, though. I am a traditionalist in the
sense that I love the ceremony are golf. Let's just
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take Augusta for example, or the US Open in Scotland
at St Andrew's. I would love to have like a
hybrid mix of it. I would love to have some
traditional stuff like Augusta and St Andrew's. It doesn't have
to be a party all the time and have the
majority of it be fun, crazy, wild and cater to,
like you said, Darby the younger audience and maybe get
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more and more viewers. But is there something to be
said about Awesome Agusta or St Andrew's? There is. I
think there's a really happy medium there right. Like I
love those tournaments too, and I like them the way
that they are and I want to continue to watch them,
you know, year after year, and I don't think that
those should change. But I love that there's live over
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here and that there's those certain tournaments. But I do
think that there could be an integration of some sort.
Like you and I have talked about this and I've
been on the side of saying like, Nope, there's no
way they're ever going to integrate. I still don't think
that they're going to. I think that PGA is going
to continue to try and live up to what live
is doing, but I don't think that they're going to
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start doing joint tournaments and I just don't think it
would go well. Like there's such an ego and a
beef at this point and even if there's PGA players
that would like to do that. Like the way that
Monahan has has handled this like he's. They've all they've
made it impossible for anybody to like really sit back
and enjoy an integration like that. I think we're gonna
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have the masters, we're gonna HAVE AUGUSTA, we're gonna have
the P G A and then we're gonna have live
over here. I think it's great that the PGA is
going to open up to a lot of younger, new players.
I think that's awesome, but I mean little by little,
the best of the best acrossing the line and going
over to live, and that's, quite frankly, who I want
to watch. Yeah, I mean, I I I would love
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to see an east versus West style tournament, like live
pros verse P g a pros and just like a fun,
you know, tournament like and and and, Brian, to to
your point about like the tradition and the ceremony of Golf,
I think, I mean that's just that's a that's a
historical thing, right. That takes years, in potentially decades, to
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build up and I don't think live has had it's
chance to really do that. You know, I think in twenty,
thirty years time, you know, when they've had enough seasons
under their belt there, there will be that tradition in
that ceremony. I think like they're figuring it out kind
as they go and being the new kids on the block,
it's easy to say like well, there's no you know, ceremony,
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there's no this, which is a lot of people. You know,
have been a lot of people's points and arguments, but
it's just that stuff takes a long time to develop.
You know, there will be some form of that for
live in the years to come. Do you guys think
that rory entire's new venture would have been as widely
accepted had it not been announced in the midst of
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all of this controversy? I think they leveraged like the
opportunity while Golf was such a hot topic of conversation
right through all sports media outlets. I don't think as
many people would have heard about it if, like you know,
there wasn't the live p g a controversy being talked
about right because, like traditionally, most media outlets, sport media outlets,
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don't talk about golf as traditionally as they have been recently. Yeah,
it is in the forefront. I mean it kind of
looked like a desperate plea for attention and kind of
a cockamamie idea that was spawned real quick to say look,
we're we're hip, we're cool, look at technology, look at us.
I feel like it wouldn't have been as accepted if
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this controversy wasn't going on right like. I think that
there would have been a whole other slew of people
that were like that's crazy, you're taking, you know, this
age old tradition and you're changing it. And now it's
like they've gone under the radar with being able to
take golf and do something completely be different with it.
Everybody's just like, okay, well, you know, as much as
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we are talking ship on both sides here, I just
love that we're talking about golf. I actually love this
controversy because more and more people are getting into the
sport and we're talking about golf. I mean that's what
we love to do. Maybe you talk about golf all
day long, I know, but now other people are talking
about golf. I think it's coming into like the forefront.
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It's like mainstream now and I think it's becoming cool
or cooler and maybe it's just our mainstream I mean
we talk about it all of our waking hours. I know, like,
is it mainstream or or is it just us because
we're just like in it all the time? Darby, is this?
Is this just because we're golfers that we think everyone
else is talking about this? Or is it just golfers?
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I think I think that there's a lot of new
conversation from people who don't traditionally play a lot of golf.
I think because of this whole live p g a controversy,
like I was saying, like more media outlets, you're talking
about it. I think just the sport in general is
getting more exposure. But to me, I don't call it live,
call it P G A, I don't really care what
you call it, as long as I get to see
the best players in the world, I get to see
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what's in their bags, I get to go on the
Internet nerd out on the specs of the equipment and
then I get to call Brian and be like, Yo, Brian,
did you see this guy? And he's got this new wood,
he's got these new irons. Yo, did you see this
putter that insert looks like Shit, like that's what I
care about. I think like too much conversation surrounding like
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what side are you? I don't care, like I don't
care what you call it, I just want to play
and nerd out on ships. Speaking of nerding out and
speaking of tech and gear, let's take your break and
when we come back we'll do our MULLIGAN's. Okay, we're
back with mulligans. What's Your Mulligan? Baby? So traditionally now
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our mulligans have been all about gear and what Darby
was just saying about gear, geeking out in all the gear.
So I have a new thing about what's happening in
my bag. Um, I only have, UM, twelve clubs. Now
to twelve clubs. Fourteen is the Max you're supposed to have.
I'm down to twelve. Um, it's very simplified everyone. Well,
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if you guys don't know, I don't have any woods
or hybrids, only a one iron and now a five iron,
and those are my long irons and I'm very happy
about my bag set up. CONGRATS. I'm still going back
and forth with my putters. I mean today I'm like
I probably forty. But I just want to stop you
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right there, because every time I ask you this, you
say it's either thirty nine or forty. Yet you keep
coming home like I think we need to do an
actual account because I think you're full of ship. So today, like,
we played and I always bring two or three putters
in the car because for the front nine I play
with something and then the back nine I switched it over. Um,
today I played with what did I play with? You
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played with your stupid Betton Aldi. Oh yeah, play my
betting aarti studio stock seventeen, which I got cut down
to thirty four point six. That went out the door.
Jess hates Pettan Ardi. And then I went back to
my Mus amcraft four on the back. Um, Darby, do
you have any ideas about putters? Today, I did. I
started the day with a sick putter, sick, sick putter.
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I love it. It was great, and then I ended
up playing with a brand new newport to Scottie Cameron
on the back nine, which, by the way, I've never
felt a better putter like they have done. Like we
were talking about this right it. It's trying to be
the answer, but the way that they've figured out the milling,
I mean it's the it is the bet. I don't
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it's hard to explain to someone who hasn't used it.
It's just it's a feel. The way that the ball
responds and bounces off the face is firm enough to
get an immediate response but soft enough to almost feel
like there's an insert and it's just incredibly, incredibly fun
to put with. You had said today while we were playing,
that the amount of energy you're putting into it is
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the amount of energy that it was putting out. Yeah,
it was like really, yeah, I literally I felt like
I'm hitting the ball this hard and the ball was
going as far as I figured it was going to
go based off how I hit it, which, like, I
don't think I've ever had that happened with a putter.
I always feel like it takes a second to like
a couple of rounds even to just really get the
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feel in the pace of the putter, where this was
like no, not even kidding. You guys gave me that putter.
You guys went to go find our other friends that
we were with and I went to the putting green.
I drained the first two PUTTS. They had to have
been over there were somewhere between, you know, how we
were doing the closer to the pin challenge. How far
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do you think that part was? First Two putts go in.
I Dude, my jaw dropped, my cheeks hurt, I was smiling,
I was ecstatic. I was like this is this is
like all cheating. I feel like I'm cheating Derby. Every
time I get a new putter, I go to Sand
Candy Pudding Green and I tell you, if I make
that first put from about twenty, I know. And so
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that is your new putter. Jess. Are you still using
the mess? I'm absolutely still using the mess. I will.
You ask me to try your putters. Every time we're
out and you've got a new putter out. You're like
just try it and I'm like no, like I don't
even want to mess up my jam. To Lab Golf
and to Sam Han out there, I would have bought
in Darby a mess or any lab golf putters. But,
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as you know, I have so much credit at Roger
Done and you guys are not in Roger done yet, unfortunately,
but you guys are coming out with the new blade
putter and Darby uses blade putters. So the next putter
I get Darby will be from lab golf. Yeah, we
love you, Sam. Brian, how, sorry, how do you even
deal with forty potters? I now have two putters and
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I'm I'm like flustered, dude, I don't I don't know
how to make a decision and it's only two. It's
okay to have more than one putter, Darby, just like
your attitude and your mood changes. You've got to like
feel what you think is going to be good that day.
Or you can do it like Brian and like keep
extra ones in your trunk so when you play like
ship for the first front nine, you can be like
it was this putter and you get a different one
and then you feel better about it and it's like
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a mind thing. Like I definitely think having more than
one putter for you guys is the way to go.
For me, it's not at all. Like I've tried to
I've briefly tried to go back to my Rossi. I
won't do it, I won't. I won't even touch your
guys as putters. I won't touch your putter's man. Get
your hands off my putter. Okay. Well, do we have
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anything else, starve, that you want to include before we
get out of here. I have a Mulligan. This is maybe,
maybe a derby. Should just get married. Oh my God,
Why's Your Mulligan, Jessica? My Mulligan? Let's see. Um, I
was really struggling right, I'm better. I am about a
month out from covid the tournament went awesome. I didn't
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play at my top performance in that, but it was
enough for us to win, which was awesome. Uh. We've
played some since then and it's been a bit of
a struggle. I love my new titleist t four hundreds.
They're sick. I don't want another set of clubs at all.
They're amazing. My Pink drivers epic. Uh. I went out today.
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I kind of played lights out. It was the best
day I've had in a very long time. I beat you. Yeah,
you beat me by one stroke. Let me preface it,
because she took Suda Fed and that was the issue here.
She was all hyped up on hopped up into fed
and her her her nasal passages were clear. I'm going
(38:33):
to hide the suit of fed stopped to stop it. Honestly,
it felt great today. It was the weather was beautiful.
I felt good physically mentally. I had a really good
time uh, it was good. I didn't expect that. We
we were. We were matched on every single hole until
the very end. We had the same score on every
single hole. I know what happened. I know what happened.
(38:53):
You were wearing your bombs only hat. I did wear
my bombs only hat. For those of you guys out there,
we've been talking about MOM's only golf apparel, Bo g
a Boga. The guys, one of the owners, Alex, and
his buddies, played with us today. Um, it was awesome.
We were all wearing our bombs only gear. Shout out
to bombs only. Thank you, guys, for playing with us today. Yeah, well,
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as always, I love golfing with you. I Love Golfing
with you too, Derby. And Uh, where can they find us? Right,
the best part. They can find us at balls, the
letter in Holes Golf. Wow, I think I'm getting really
good at this. And really, eighteen episodes in, and wait,
hold on, Youtubel, that we are on Youtube now. I
(39:38):
am now putting out previews to our episodes. UH, they're
slowly but surely coming on board. So for those of
you who are just now tuning in and hearing us,
you can go back and hear a preview of our
first couple episodes. Throughout the next week or two I
will be putting previews up of the rest of the
episodes and then, once I get caught up, I will
be releasing a preview before we release on Tuesday night
(40:00):
at midnight. And everyone check out our instagram. You'll see
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You're listening to balls and Holes Jessica Bowser and Bryan Escari. Well,
hey baby, hi baby. How's it going? It's pretty good. Well,
we're back with another episode of balls and Holes Golf.
So we had a been a great week. We did,
we did. We went to the American Family Housing Charity
(00:27):
Golf Tournament. It's strawberry farms in Irvine, California, California. Yeah,
it was incredible. It was incredible my professor in law school,
Tamarack Kurtzman, who, uh is the head lawyer in charge
at TMK, which is her law firm. She's an attorney
and now that I'm an attorney, we talk all the time.
(00:49):
She's an incredible advocate for everyone. She offered us for
tickets to a charity golf tournament that she sponsors, or
is is part of the law firm sponsored sponsor, and
she says that no one on her from golfs and
she says, I heard you golf. I said, oh my gosh,
we do, and she got us four tickets and we
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went and what a time that was, dude. It was epic.
I mean it was kind of funny leading up to
it because we got the call from her and we
got so excited. And so our original plan was that
we were taking in the chosen family, right, we were
taking Darby and Scotty. And then, little by little, things happened.
Life happened, Darby had to like dog sit and work,
and then Scotty just I don't know what happened to Scotty,
(01:34):
but as we had to put together a whole new situation,
like we were kind of bummed and we were thinking like,
Oh my God, what is this going to do to
our tournament? And then it all just like fell into place. Yes,
then we got our boy vinny, the manager at North Hollywood,
Roger Dunn, our good friend, and we got David's young,
(01:55):
my close friend from back in the sports la days.
I've known him for about twenty five or thirty years.
Excellent Golfers and we won. We fucking one twenty one
under par. Now I'm going to preface this because we've
caught a bit of flak from some of our friends
who were like, there's no way that you guys shot
(02:15):
twenty one under. But I will say this. Most of
the holes it was straight golf. There were a few
holes that had some craziness to it. One for instance,
we put a ball in a cannon and it was
pumped with oxygen or helium, I don't know what it
was pumped with, but you pulled the trigger and you
had to shoot it onto a par three green and
(02:36):
then you had to put it out from there, right.
And then there was a hole that we had to
guess our carry and if we were within five yards,
ten yards of our carry uh distance, then you got
to move up to the front of the green to
put for Albatross. That's right, and you guessed it. I
guessed it. They made me go first and uh, I
(02:57):
took a guess and I was within three words and
I got some great swag and then we got to
go up and put for Albatross. Right. And there was
other things too, like every hole was like sponsored. So
like Wilson Golf balls were there. So Wilson tried. If
you bought a box of Wilson tried balls, you got
to so we did. We bought one box. So I
(03:19):
mean I think those were the only three holes where
it was a situation like that. And like we started
the day off and we should back up. We get there.
It's absolutely beautiful right, like the golf course is gorgeous.
There's people everywhere, there's music, there's a bloody marry bar,
there's lunch being handed out. You go to the driving range,
(03:40):
you you know, warm up and tons of swag right
check in, got all kinds of stuff. This was all
for American family housing charity, which is a great charity,
and they did it right. We had a putting contest and,
if you it was weird, like we all put it
in a circle. We didn't know that was going to happen.
And then all of our balls are getting hit and
(04:01):
the four balls that were remaining then had to put
off from like ten ft around, and then after that
one person had to put four, five dollars from a
hundred feet. He lipped, he lifted his shot for five K. Yeah,
it was really cool, but it was it was really
well done. I mean we got swagged like hats, and
(04:23):
then we got a like a cooler, the drink thing
that had a bluetooth in it. Yeah, it has a Bluetooth.
It was a like a craft that has a Bluetooth
speaker in it. We got shirts, we got hats, Jimmy
John's sandwiches, bloody marry bar, we had various cocktail drinks,
water and all the types of stuff. I'm just I
(04:44):
was so excited. Yeah, it was like your your biggest
dream of free things. It was pretty great. So then
when they started our round, we all kind of went
in a single file line with our carts and the
marshals brought us to your whole it was a shotgun star.
Oh my God, that was such a cool part, right,
because we get in our cart, everybody's got a number
on their cart, and then we follow the marshals, but
(05:07):
we were in the front of the line, which means
that we were going all the way in. So you know,
you you follow them in and then you look behind
you and you've got every single cart that's in the
tournament behind us and they're like making these windy turns
and it was just beautiful. It was it was hot,
it was very muggy and it was hot. But this
is also a day that I worked up to post
(05:28):
covid right, like my whole fear the entire time I
was sick is that I was going to miss this tournament.
And so what we played at Svn on that Monday
and then that Wednesday we went and played and you know,
it was a hundred and ten degrees, but I had
to get out there to like shake off the COBWEBS.
And then Thursday was our tournament and we got out
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and it was amazing. It was amazing and there was
like a hundred and twenty players. I think. I didn't
go in thinking that we were going to win. I
went in saying, okay, this is gonna be fun. But
with our group, with you and I and Vinny and
and David, wow, something special happened, like it just came
together and it was like everything was right in the world.
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And we started off and like a couple holes in,
I kind of looked at you and was like, dude,
we're all playing like really good and like when I
would not play great because I was just not in
peak performance, like you guys were just like epic shots,
and then I was cleaning up on the on the
green and putting and like I had some amazing puts,
like it was incredible. Like we started doing we we
(06:34):
did really good the entire time. And for those listeners
who don't know the format, it's a scrambled format. So
you have four players, you hit a ball, who who?
Whatever ball you want to choose. That's the best ball
you you play from that ball. All four of you
play from one club, link from that ball and you
hit and we take the best score as a team. Yeah,
(06:55):
which is a really fun way to play and makes
it fast and everyone gets to see each other's shots.
and Um, I mean lots of Birdie's eagles. We had
tons of eagles, tons of birds. And then like the
putting I put. I putted so well we both cutted
lights out that day. I mean wow. And then there
was one of those holes that had a big inflatable
(07:15):
guerrilla or dinosaurs and it was about like two twenty
yards out there and we were like, what the Hell
is that stupid thing out there? Well, apparently if you
hit your drive past that, two of your players had
passed that, you go all the way to the front
of the Green to put for Your Eagle. Vinnie went
out there, smacked one. You guys voted me for the
next one. I hit like the bomb of my line.
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Guys both hit bombs. It was hilarious and we went
up and and putted for that. But like, what a
great event. Point being we were playing with the same
rules as all Hud and twenty other players. So for
people out there like Mr Davita, who, you know, wanted
to give us so much flak and told us that
there was no way we played that well. We most
(07:58):
certainly played that well. I hope that Brian Davide is
listening right now. We we were up against the same
rules and uh, and it was great. We had a
really great time. Every hole was, you know, something different,
and one hole had tacos, another hole had a ice
cream creamery, one hole had like a recovery station where
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they were handing out like pickle juice, and they had
like the tens units. Let me let me just stop
real quick about the tens unit. Okay, so every hole
they had like vendors there and, you know, wine booze,
so you can, you know, buy a year's supply of wine.
It was a charity event, so, you know, everything goes
with charity. But we go to like, I think it
(08:39):
was like the ninth hole or tenth Hole. We're kind
of tired. They had a ten's unit, which is a
electronic device that sticks to your body and it pulsates.
Like what is what does it do? Just, well, it's
it's electromagnetic pulses through your muscles, right, so, like it
can strengthen your muscles, it can heal your muscles, it
gets blood flowing to your muscles. But like, man, they
(09:01):
slapped these things on us and it was like the
best backrub that you've ever gotten in your life. And
they've put it in places where like hey, you can't
rub your own back and be like you can't even
rub my back like that, and I was so tired
and so exhausted and it felt so good. Don't say
anything more. Let me tell you, guys, what happened. They
gave us pickled juice. Jess is getting buzzed by some
(09:22):
electronics stimuli. She pulls out five and buys it on
the spot. She buys two tens units on the spot.
Five Bucks, Jazz, I'd even say a word. I mean
that's your money, but my God, you just bought it. Yeah,
it works. And every night since you and I have
been laid around in bed with these things stuck all
(09:43):
over our body. One day you like freaked out because
you were doing your abs and you got all these
cramps and you're like, Oh my God, Oh my God,
like I used it on my butt, I've used it
on my back, I've used it all over. It's amazing.
Bruce Lee used to do this. I want to be
like Bruce Lee. I put it on my chest to
build up the pectoral most and bigger hops than I have.
I cannot do the ABS. I don't know. I'm like
fat skinning. I mean I did my abs the other
(10:04):
night and I got to say woke up the next
morning and I was like, Oh my God, Oh, what's happening?
I couldn't tell what was happening and all of a
sudden I remember I had used the tens machine and
was like, okay, like, I think you're way more muscly there,
so it works better on you. But I don't know,
I don't know if it's like we're sad this. Is
it say this or Massa case one of the others
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that likes his pain. I mean, I hope it's doing
something good for us. I mean definitely doing something good. Well,
either way, it goes to American family housing charity, which
was a good cause. It was a great cause and
it was some of the best money I've spent in
a while. You, I can't believe how you just blindly
just did it. Whatever it was, it was lovely. It's
worked out okay. So cut to we're playing and like
(10:47):
our back nine was unbelievable. I think we're like ten
under even on the back nine, or fourteen unders two,
and we're like, Oh my God, I think we have
a chance here. Yeah, I think twenty one under might
do it, but you never know in these idea and
this was our first tournament. Okay, like we've been playing
(11:08):
and playing and playing and we have not entered any
tournaments and we finally got this awesome opportunity and like,
you know how rare it is that, regardless of it
being a scramble or charity or whatever, it's how rare
it is to go and play our first tournament together
and win it. Dude, it was awesome, it was incredible
and our team was good. Our team was amazing. I
(11:29):
had a black and we're talking about people. We we
met some really cool people. Everyone was I mean, of course,
as a charity event, so everyone's happy, but like we
met the printer for melon hats and we talked about
melon hats in our podcast and sure enough, this guy
was playing in his flip flops ended up talking. We
all had our melon hats on. That we had our
melon hats on and it was really cool. It was
(11:50):
just a great event. I I want to thank camera
Kurtzman again in TMK law firm for sending us out there.
I mean it was a time of our life. I
can't like our dream, or my dream, justice to get
invited to as many charity golf turns or Pro Ams.
I mean, we have a podcast. Can't we do this? Yeah, no,
the Pro Ams and the tournaments are like number one
on the list at this point. Like we were so
(12:11):
lucky to have Tamra do that for us and now
we just have to figure out a way to have
people continue to send us on their tournaments that you
know they don't want to golf in. I mean, look,
we can join our own tournaments too and we can
do our own charity, but like, it was incredible. I
had an amazing time. We owe Tamra a big time.
There's a nice dinner coming her way. And Yeah, we
(12:32):
had so many cocktails different. What was it? Doghead Fish? Um,
they had their dog fish head, dog fish heads, something
so delicious. They had that, but it was just it
was ran so efficiently. And then after that we went
to like a barn on the course. So we play
strawberry farms in Urbane. It was gorgeous, course, very hard.
(12:52):
Course it was really hard. And we went to the
after party, dinner for the awards ceremony. They had lamb chops,
they did, they Ketos, I think, Costa, Um, beer, fruit
cheese platters, you know, like the cheese platters, and then, um,
there was a magician. Yep, they had a silent auction,
(13:13):
silent auction, and then they started reading out like the winners.
And sure not stop right there, because when we rolled
into this barn, you like went running up to the
guy who we had to turn our cards into and
you like slammed it down and you were like one
under and the guy kind of looked at it and
he looked at us and you go, do we have
a chance? And he's like yeah, actually you do. He's like,
(13:36):
we've got a couple more players coming in, but uh,
but yeah, this is the best one we've gotten so far.
So we got super excited. So it was anticlimactic a
little bit, a little bit because we, quote unquote, tied
for first. This was kind of bullshit. We did tie
for first. What they ended up doing is taking on
(13:57):
the front nine or the back nine, and they did
not clarify w nine they took and they compared it
to the other guys that we tied with. Apparently they
were one shot more under than us on either the
front or the back. Yeah, regardless, we are still in
number one our group. Dave Vinny, you and I are
(14:17):
gonna go back and play this course for real, m
with our own scores. But what an incredible tournament. I
can't wait for the next one or any other ones.
It was amazing. It was a giant party. It was
a giant party. It was a giant party and you
know what, talking about giant parties, we're going to take
a break right now. When we get back, we're going
to have our buddy, uh, Darby Wilson, come back. We're
(14:39):
gonna talk about Party and live golf. Okay, so we're
back and Um we were talking about the live golf
party atmosphere and the Charity Golf Tournament that we had.
That was a full party too. We have our friend
Darby Wilson here. We just played golf with today. Darby,
(15:02):
how you doing? I'm good, man. I got I got
a new Scottie Cameron courtesy of balls and holes. So
that was that was exciting. That was fun. You deserve it, buddy, yeah,
you do. So we're talking about this new live golf
atmosphere that's changing the way golf is being perceived. Shorts,
(15:25):
Golf Cart, girls, party, uh, concerts. Tell us what you're thinking. Well,
first let's start with the shorts, because I think that
alone is massive. I don't think I've ever played around
the golf in pants in my entire life. I don't
care if it's sixty degrees outside. I feel like it's restricting,
it's not comfortable. So I feel like these players should
be allowed to play with they're comfortable work. I get
(15:47):
it's class, it's whatever it's. It's how it's been it's
how it's done, but it's also like, who cares? I
I just want to see the guys hit cool shots.
I don't care what their pants or their shorts look like.
Now the shorts are out of the way, I think
the format of live golf is interesting. I think like
it's fast, it's it's it's more fast paced. Right, so
(16:08):
it's easier. It's easier tip to digest. Now, when I
watch golf in general, I'm not ever watching for five
straight hours. I'm like watching for thirty minutes and then
I'm on my phone doing whatever something or I'm eating.
So I think like there's an interesting they're really doing
a really good job of paying attention to what the
audience Um wants to see and and yeah, I think
(16:33):
I think they've just made it more about the audience
and the people watching than just the players, which I
feel like in today's society, the inclusivity, especially when it
comes to content, is a massive part of it. Right
with social media, a lot of these kids that are
massive social media stars and these massive youtubers, their fan
bases watch them in an intimate setting. So I feel
(16:56):
like from being able to consume live tournaments for free
on Youtube, promotes that same level of intimacy where you
feel like you're a part of it and you're not
strictly a consumer. So I think that they've done a
great job with that. I also really like that they
they've been doing these like master classes in between the tournaments.
(17:17):
So they'll do like master classes on the putting green
with like some legend and he has like a group
of kids and he's teaching them like how to line
up Putts, like proper stroke technique. They've they've really done
a good job of making everybody feel like they're a
part of it, as opposed to just a bystandard, if
that makes sense. In my very long explanation, I think
(17:39):
the format is incredible. I just think that it's such
a breath of fresh air right like every time, like
you say that you don't watch golf for more than
thirty minutes. Like we will legit lay in bed and
watch five hours of golf straight, like we we love it.
But wait, we only watch the masters for the majors. Yeah, okay,
but we've tuned in and watch live. It's pretty entertaining.
(18:03):
I mean it looks like Coachella. We've talked about that before.
It's so much fun. It's so colorful, like they're just
doing so many things that like, I want to be
a part of, like I next year, like we're going
down and Darby, we're going to live golf. I mean
they just have such a like a different take on everything.
(18:26):
Like there you you can see it. They're actually having fun,
I mean like and and they're bringing fun into it,
like it's you know, you're still quiet when people are
making their shots, but like then they've got this whole
thing like you know, like look at country club adjacent, like,
if our listeners are not familiar with country club adjacent guys,
like they're insane, they're hilarious, they're my favorite, like holding
(18:48):
and I sat and watched clip after clip after clip
the other day of them doing the back off challenge.
They stand behind these guys as their teeing off and
they just rip on them trying to get them to
crack up or funk up, and it's hysterical and like
they're at every single tournament just having a ball. Like
I love country club adjacent. It's hysterical. I love that
that's incorporated into what it is they're they're doing there right.
(19:11):
Like also with the the quote unquote press conferences for live,
it's just it's country club adjason guys just asking the
stupidest question. What's what they're doing is they're not taking
themselves so seriously and kind of putting a very interesting
take on such a snobby, uptight field of, you know, golfers.
(19:32):
I just I don't know how at this point people
can't you know, I know people want to have they
want to stand firm on how they feel about this,
but like they just keep proving it tournament after tournament
like it's fun. I want to be there, I want
to be a part of it. I love watching all
the content. I mean like yesterday I watched Greg Norman
(19:53):
get a mullet, like that Camp Camp Smith Gave Greg
Norman a mullet, like they all are getting mullets. Like
count me in, like, come on, didn't he skydive into
the tournament? Yeah, it's just, it's just, it's just exciting.
I mean it's dude, it's it's what it should be, right,
like it's it's a I don't know, it's it's funny
(20:13):
because as I have these conversations with like that, I
understand the people who are like anti live, but I
almost feel like they, the people that are saying it,
don't even like fully believe it, like they're saying it
because they feel like they have to have that position.
But it's like it's obvious that the people and live
are having more fun. Even the players like it's a
(20:35):
less stressful. It's hard. It's hard to like explain. It's
such an it's just such an experience, right, like that's
that's what they've made it and it's not just this
uptight Hoity toity goofy golf tournament anymore. You know, I
think the waste management whole number sixteen and the whole
waste management tournament tournament is a huge catalyst of this.
(20:58):
They saw that and these and jet and you were there,
we were guests there. What last year, right, that atmosphere.
Live has captured that in a bottle and says this
is what the people want. There's money to be made there.
I mean when these guys win, there popping champagne bottles,
they're on their jets, they're partying it up. I mean
(21:18):
I just saw something right before this podcast of p
g a Um Max Honma, who's saying we're gonna be partying,
we're going to the President's Cup, and he's like in
a regular jet and he's trying to have this like
dance movie. They're like trying so hard PGA to now
compare to live golf, which is funny because that's something
that to them must feel like they're having to stoop
(21:40):
because of their position in this like the fact that
the PGA players are now having to put out content that,
first of all, in my opinion, doesn't even come close
to what lives doing right, and it's so obvious that
it's not close, that they're putting this out there and
trying to be live as they fly around and playing
their tournaments, saying fuck live, and they're just being lived
(22:01):
in a in a worst in a worst way, in
a worst way. It's it's cheesy. What, Darby, would you
go to a concert with us for live golf? Like
they have big, big time names. Now it's like a party. diplow,
didn't they just get Jason Deruloh, they had white left John.
I mean, look, if I get to go, you know,
have an experience at a golf course, watch the best
(22:24):
of the best play, then get that like see some
incredible music and then even like the little events they
have surrounding the competition, they have like like Carnival Style
Golf Games that you can like participate in. There's like nothing.
You cannot like go to live and not have something
to do. Right, like there's always something going on, there's
(22:45):
always something to do where I feel like the PGA
tours just stand and watch these guys do it. Ego
on their website. That's one of the first things that
it says is like we've created this to cater to
the fans like this is this whole ideology of what
we're doing is for the people, and the people people
are receptive to it and I think the people that
grew up watching, you know, the Masters and the PGA
(23:09):
Tour and how it's been, you know, for since the what,
mid fifties, I think it's it's right like they they're
resistant to the change. They're like they're like the old
guys that go to the concert that don't want to
get in the mosh pits so they stand in the
back and just kind of talk about how crazy this
generation is and they hate on them. I totally agree
(23:29):
with you. And any controversy they have about live and
and the and the Saudi back money. What the Saudis?
They own a lot of Um football, soccer, soccer teams,
and they know that this team atmosphere, like in American football,
like NFL, or baseball basketball, everyone gets back behind these
teams and now there's team events that are really cool.
(23:52):
You can win individually, but you can win in your
team events and all their merch is about all these
logos and and go support or team and that's awesome, right.
I mean they're tapping into that same money market genre
that that football is doing or soccer, you know, but
I feel like they're almost doing it in a better way, right,
(24:13):
like you were used to soccer and we're used to
football and we're used to NASCAR. We're used to these,
you know, different arena type sports, right, and and the
people that come and gather around it. But like it
all has their own separate feel, right, like football it's
all about like barbecuing and getting drunk and, you know,
watching football and soccer is a little bit more rowdy.
(24:35):
Like this is a completely different take on sports, in
my opinion. And also where in any what other sport
can you be that close to the players? Like you
don't have to have front row seats or anything like that,
or like a v I P box, which they do have,
a golf tourna base. You literally can walk right next
to these guys. We've been to yeah, we've been to it.
I mean we haven't been to live but like when
we went to waste management, we were standing right there
(24:58):
as brooks walks up hits a shot. You know, I
mean it was it was incredible. It's the closest that
I've ever been to somebody in sports. So, Darb, let's
get your take on this. What do you think is
the the future for PG versus live? Is it gonna
IS PJ gonna try to you know, one up live
is live, just saying, ha ha, you we have the
last lap. You guys are now going to copy us.
(25:20):
You guys were haters and check us out now. I mean,
I think that the PGA tour is going to continue
to struggle if they can't adapt. I think live has
just adapted to the Times. They they've utilized social media,
they've utilized youtube, they they've figured out how to attract
the younger demographic which the P G A has struggled
with for a long time, and I think like you're
(25:40):
seeing it as as a result, like as a result
of what they're doing, you're seeing more young golfers regularly
out on the golf course right like I feel like
since the pandemic, more people have naturally gotten into the sport,
so to then go have fun on the golf course
and come home and and watch a sporting event that
you traditionally relate to, like if you were to sit
(26:01):
down and watch football or sit down and watch basketball,
you're getting that same energy. So I think it's all
about adapting and that's exactly what lives done. And the
more that the P G A resists the change and
and the fact that people are enjoying it, they're gonna
if they're gonna have a harder time maintaining their quote unquote, prestige. Well,
and that's why I think it's so interesting to see
(26:23):
this turn of events where the PGA is now starting
to behave a little bit more out of their realm.
They're trying to adapt, but it's it's it's obvious, like
they would do so much better if they just had
been in some sort of agree and agreeance isn't the
right word, but like if they would have been more
(26:43):
supportive of this, like it would have looked better, it
would have jelled better there, they would have naturally adapted,
and now it just feels forced and weird right and
and PA looks bad and they look they look bad.
Here's my idea, though. I am a traditionalist in the
sense that I love the ceremony are golf. Let's just
(27:04):
take Augusta for example, or the US Open in Scotland
at St Andrew's. I would love to have like a
hybrid mix of it. I would love to have some
traditional stuff like Augusta and St Andrew's. It doesn't have
to be a party all the time and have the
majority of it be fun, crazy, wild and cater to,
like you said, Darby the younger audience and maybe get
(27:27):
more and more viewers. But is there something to be
said about Awesome Agusta or St Andrew's? There is. I
think there's a really happy medium there right. Like I
love those tournaments too, and I like them the way
that they are and I want to continue to watch them,
you know, year after year, and I don't think that
those should change. But I love that there's live over
(27:50):
here and that there's those certain tournaments. But I do
think that there could be an integration of some sort.
Like you and I have talked about this and I've
been on the side of saying like, Nope, there's no
way they're ever going to integrate. I still don't think
that they're going to. I think that PGA is going
to continue to try and live up to what live
is doing, but I don't think that they're going to
(28:11):
start doing joint tournaments and I just don't think it
would go well. Like there's such an ego and a
beef at this point and even if there's PGA players
that would like to do that. Like the way that
Monahan has has handled this like he's. They've all they've
made it impossible for anybody to like really sit back
and enjoy an integration like that. I think we're gonna
(28:32):
have the masters, we're gonna HAVE AUGUSTA, we're gonna have
the P G A and then we're gonna have live
over here. I think it's great that the PGA is
going to open up to a lot of younger, new players.
I think that's awesome, but I mean little by little,
the best of the best acrossing the line and going
over to live, and that's, quite frankly, who I want
to watch. Yeah, I mean, I I I would love
(28:52):
to see an east versus West style tournament, like live
pros verse P g a pros and just like a fun,
you know, tournament like and and and, Brian, to to
your point about like the tradition and the ceremony of Golf,
I think, I mean that's just that's a that's a
historical thing, right. That takes years, in potentially decades, to
(29:15):
build up and I don't think live has had it's
chance to really do that. You know, I think in twenty,
thirty years time, you know, when they've had enough seasons
under their belt there, there will be that tradition in
that ceremony. I think like they're figuring it out kind
as they go and being the new kids on the block,
it's easy to say like well, there's no you know, ceremony,
(29:37):
there's no this, which is a lot of people. You know,
have been a lot of people's points and arguments, but
it's just that stuff takes a long time to develop.
You know, there will be some form of that for
live in the years to come. Do you guys think
that rory entire's new venture would have been as widely
accepted had it not been announced in the midst of
(29:59):
all of this controversy? I think they leveraged like the
opportunity while Golf was such a hot topic of conversation
right through all sports media outlets. I don't think as
many people would have heard about it if, like you know,
there wasn't the live p g a controversy being talked
about right because, like traditionally, most media outlets, sport media outlets,
(30:23):
don't talk about golf as traditionally as they have been recently. Yeah,
it is in the forefront. I mean it kind of
looked like a desperate plea for attention and kind of
a cockamamie idea that was spawned real quick to say look,
we're we're hip, we're cool, look at technology, look at us.
I feel like it wouldn't have been as accepted if
(30:43):
this controversy wasn't going on right like. I think that
there would have been a whole other slew of people
that were like that's crazy, you're taking, you know, this
age old tradition and you're changing it. And now it's
like they've gone under the radar with being able to
take golf and do something completely be different with it.
Everybody's just like, okay, well, you know, as much as
(31:04):
we are talking ship on both sides here, I just
love that we're talking about golf. I actually love this
controversy because more and more people are getting into the
sport and we're talking about golf. I mean that's what
we love to do. Maybe you talk about golf all
day long, I know, but now other people are talking
about golf. I think it's coming into like the forefront.
(31:26):
It's like mainstream now and I think it's becoming cool
or cooler and maybe it's just our mainstream I mean
we talk about it all of our waking hours. I know, like,
is it mainstream or or is it just us because
we're just like in it all the time? Darby, is this?
Is this just because we're golfers that we think everyone
else is talking about this? Or is it just golfers?
(31:46):
I think I think that there's a lot of new
conversation from people who don't traditionally play a lot of golf.
I think because of this whole live p g a controversy,
like I was saying, like more media outlets, you're talking
about it. I think just the sport in general is
getting more exposure. But to me, I don't call it live,
call it P G A, I don't really care what
you call it, as long as I get to see
the best players in the world, I get to see
(32:08):
what's in their bags, I get to go on the
Internet nerd out on the specs of the equipment and
then I get to call Brian and be like, Yo, Brian,
did you see this guy? And he's got this new wood,
he's got these new irons. Yo, did you see this
putter that insert looks like Shit, like that's what I
care about. I think like too much conversation surrounding like
(32:29):
what side are you? I don't care, like I don't
care what you call it, I just want to play
and nerd out on ships. Speaking of nerding out and
speaking of tech and gear, let's take your break and
when we come back we'll do our MULLIGAN's. Okay, we're
back with mulligans. What's Your Mulligan? Baby? So traditionally now
(32:50):
our mulligans have been all about gear and what Darby
was just saying about gear, geeking out in all the gear.
So I have a new thing about what's happening in
my bag. Um, I only have, UM, twelve clubs. Now
to twelve clubs. Fourteen is the Max you're supposed to have.
I'm down to twelve. Um, it's very simplified everyone. Well,
(33:11):
if you guys don't know, I don't have any woods
or hybrids, only a one iron and now a five iron,
and those are my long irons and I'm very happy
about my bag set up. CONGRATS. I'm still going back
and forth with my putters. I mean today I'm like
I probably forty. But I just want to stop you
(33:32):
right there, because every time I ask you this, you
say it's either thirty nine or forty. Yet you keep
coming home like I think we need to do an
actual account because I think you're full of ship. So today, like,
we played and I always bring two or three putters
in the car because for the front nine I play
with something and then the back nine I switched it over. Um,
today I played with what did I play with? You
(33:53):
played with your stupid Betton Aldi. Oh yeah, play my
betting aarti studio stock seventeen, which I got cut down
to thirty four point six. That went out the door.
Jess hates Pettan Ardi. And then I went back to
my Mus amcraft four on the back. Um, Darby, do
you have any ideas about putters? Today, I did. I
started the day with a sick putter, sick, sick putter.
(34:16):
I love it. It was great, and then I ended
up playing with a brand new newport to Scottie Cameron
on the back nine, which, by the way, I've never
felt a better putter like they have done. Like we
were talking about this right it. It's trying to be
the answer, but the way that they've figured out the milling,
I mean it's the it is the bet. I don't
(34:37):
it's hard to explain to someone who hasn't used it.
It's just it's a feel. The way that the ball
responds and bounces off the face is firm enough to
get an immediate response but soft enough to almost feel
like there's an insert and it's just incredibly, incredibly fun
to put with. You had said today while we were playing,
that the amount of energy you're putting into it is
(35:00):
the amount of energy that it was putting out. Yeah,
it was like really, yeah, I literally I felt like
I'm hitting the ball this hard and the ball was
going as far as I figured it was going to
go based off how I hit it, which, like, I
don't think I've ever had that happened with a putter.
I always feel like it takes a second to like
a couple of rounds even to just really get the
(35:21):
feel in the pace of the putter, where this was
like no, not even kidding. You guys gave me that putter.
You guys went to go find our other friends that
we were with and I went to the putting green.
I drained the first two PUTTS. They had to have
been over there were somewhere between, you know, how we
were doing the closer to the pin challenge. How far
(35:42):
do you think that part was? First Two putts go in.
I Dude, my jaw dropped, my cheeks hurt, I was smiling,
I was ecstatic. I was like this is this is
like all cheating. I feel like I'm cheating Derby. Every
time I get a new putter, I go to Sand
Candy Pudding Green and I tell you, if I make
that first put from about twenty, I know. And so
(36:03):
that is your new putter. Jess. Are you still using
the mess? I'm absolutely still using the mess. I will.
You ask me to try your putters. Every time we're
out and you've got a new putter out. You're like
just try it and I'm like no, like I don't
even want to mess up my jam. To Lab Golf
and to Sam Han out there, I would have bought
in Darby a mess or any lab golf putters. But,
(36:25):
as you know, I have so much credit at Roger
Done and you guys are not in Roger done yet, unfortunately,
but you guys are coming out with the new blade
putter and Darby uses blade putters. So the next putter
I get Darby will be from lab golf. Yeah, we
love you, Sam. Brian, how, sorry, how do you even
deal with forty potters? I now have two putters and
(36:45):
I'm I'm like flustered, dude, I don't I don't know
how to make a decision and it's only two. It's
okay to have more than one putter, Darby, just like
your attitude and your mood changes. You've got to like
feel what you think is going to be good that day.
Or you can do it like Brian and like keep
extra ones in your trunk so when you play like
ship for the first front nine, you can be like
it was this putter and you get a different one
and then you feel better about it and it's like
(37:07):
a mind thing. Like I definitely think having more than
one putter for you guys is the way to go.
For me, it's not at all. Like I've tried to
I've briefly tried to go back to my Rossi. I
won't do it, I won't. I won't even touch your
guys as putters. I won't touch your putter's man. Get
your hands off my putter. Okay. Well, do we have
(37:29):
anything else, starve, that you want to include before we
get out of here. I have a Mulligan. This is maybe,
maybe a derby. Should just get married. Oh my God,
Why's Your Mulligan, Jessica? My Mulligan? Let's see. Um, I
was really struggling right, I'm better. I am about a
month out from covid the tournament went awesome. I didn't
(37:52):
play at my top performance in that, but it was
enough for us to win, which was awesome. Uh. We've
played some since then and it's been a bit of
a struggle. I love my new titleist t four hundreds.
They're sick. I don't want another set of clubs at all.
They're amazing. My Pink drivers epic. Uh. I went out today.
(38:12):
I kind of played lights out. It was the best
day I've had in a very long time. I beat you. Yeah,
you beat me by one stroke. Let me preface it,
because she took Suda Fed and that was the issue here.
She was all hyped up on hopped up into fed
and her her her nasal passages were clear. I'm going
(38:33):
to hide the suit of fed stopped to stop it. Honestly,
it felt great today. It was the weather was beautiful.
I felt good physically mentally. I had a really good
time uh, it was good. I didn't expect that. We
we were. We were matched on every single hole until
the very end. We had the same score on every
single hole. I know what happened. I know what happened.
(38:53):
You were wearing your bombs only hat. I did wear
my bombs only hat. For those of you guys out there,
we've been talking about MOM's only golf apparel, Bo g
a Boga. The guys, one of the owners, Alex, and
his buddies, played with us today. Um, it was awesome.
We were all wearing our bombs only gear. Shout out
to bombs only. Thank you, guys, for playing with us today. Yeah, well,
(39:15):
as always, I love golfing with you. I Love Golfing
with you too, Derby. And Uh, where can they find us? Right,
the best part. They can find us at balls, the
letter in Holes Golf. Wow, I think I'm getting really
good at this. And really, eighteen episodes in, and wait,
hold on, Youtubel, that we are on Youtube now. I
(39:38):
am now putting out previews to our episodes. UH, they're
slowly but surely coming on board. So for those of
you who are just now tuning in and hearing us,
you can go back and hear a preview of our
first couple episodes. Throughout the next week or two I
will be putting previews up of the rest of the
episodes and then, once I get caught up, I will
be releasing a preview before we release on Tuesday night
(40:00):
at midnight. And everyone check out our instagram. You'll see
video of Derby today getting a Scotty cameras better. It's
a good romance video. Al Right. Well, I love you both.
Thanks for Golfing with me. Did it? Walls and holes
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