September 14, 2022 • 37 mins
Jessica and Bryan welcome the owners of SVN2, Matt, Branon & Cameron to the show to discuss their new indoor golf simulation facility. The entrepreneurs discuss the merits and fun of playing simulator golf including advanced swing data and 167 course options available. Jessica and Bryan also unveil new irons and prove that you get what you pay for.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
You're listening to Balls and Holes. Jessica Bust and Brian
the Pescara. Hi baby, Hi baby, how are you good?
We're back. We are. We had a great week, a
couple of weeks. It has been fun. It has been fun,
a lot of golf. We have some special guests today. Yes,
remember last week we uh we talked about seven to
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the indoor golf simulators. Guess who we have on today?
Who we have the owners? We have Matt Fowler, Brandon
Shay and Cameron Fitzgerald. We're going to talk to them. Amazing.
Hi guys, Yo, what's going on. I'm really excited that
you guys could come on with us. We loved hanging
out at seven to with you guys. It was such
a treat. Yeah, thanks for having us on tonight. It's
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such a blast having both of you out to seven
to the other day. It was so fun having you
guys there. So, for those of the listeners who are
unfamiliar with seven two our indoor golf simulators, can you
tell us what it's all about? Yeah? So, what what
do we want the listeners to know about seven too? Well,
you know, first off, let's explain the name seven two
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is a creative way of basically saying seventy two um.
And for those of you who are golfers, you know
that is scratch golf. For those that aren't golfers, scratch
golf is the epitome of being a golfer on a course,
is basically playing the perfect game. So, you know, we
want seven two to be a premier indoor golf facility
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for all players alike, those that are just learning how
to begin and those who are pros. And the way
that we're trying to accomplish that is we've leveraged the
track Men for technology. And for those out there that
don't know what track Men is, track Men's kind of
the gold standard in terms of launch simulators. So the
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p G A had Us uses them on tour, a
lot of the pros have them in their homes and
or to work on their metrics, which is whether their strikes,
their distance, loft, attack angle, all this fun stuff. Us
geeks and nerds that love golf really want to know
that you can't get out on a driving range. But
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the other fun thing about the TrackMan technology is they've
gone ahead and they have rendered and put together a
hundred and sixty seven beautiful courses for anybody to play.
So really, if you went to our facility play one
time a week, you literally can play a new course
every week for the next three years. It's pretty incredible.
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But outside of that, you know, we want people to
know that seven two isn't just a place where pros
or people come and work on the game. It's where
people can come and have fun, Families can come and
have fun um And that's really kind of why we
built seven too, was to be an environment that was
a lot more welcoming than let's say you're traditional just
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golf course or driving rain is. We want to lower
the barrier of entry into this sport. So what that
means is, you know, at seven two we are about
you know, half the cost of what it would cost
for a tea time on a physical course. You could
play a full eighteen in about half the time. Uh.
And ultimately we lower the intimidation factor because we are
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a four bay facility with three private bays full walls
on either side of you and one full private bay,
So whether or not you're in one of the semi
private base hitting away, there really isn't any kind of
unwanted eyes on you. And then we also have a
private base. So if you want to fully kind of
encase yourself in the experience, not have any kind of
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unwanted or priorize on you, you have that opportunity as well.
So you know, what we did is we wanted to
create an environment where we know that anyone can feel
great about coming and be able to really enjoy the
sport and a compress not a time, saving themselves money
and being less intimidated than if they were standing in
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practicing in front of a bunch of other golfers. So, Matt,
we can totally vouch for what you're saying since we
played at your facility and it was incredible. What is
the future for seven to sure? I mean, um, the
sky's the limit, I think in terms of where we
want to go with this. We the initial vision when
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the three of us got together and says, what do
we want this to be? Um long term and when
we grow up as a company, right, we want to
be the premier indoor golf facility. Right. And so as
we all know, Roy McElroy and Tiger just you know
announced they're going to start some sort of indoor golf
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simulation league. Um, we anticipated something of this nature kind
of coming or into trend, and we want to be
a place where people here about indoor golf and they're like, well,
I gotta go check it out. So where would we
check this out at right? And the first place that
comes to mind would be SPN two in the future. Um,
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we'd like that to become to mind now, but we
just started on June of this year, so uh, you know,
we we were just starting to crawl a little bit,
and so yeah, we we want to see us grow,
have multiple facilities across the nation, multiple facilities here in
southern California, and just be a household name of indoor
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golf simulation. So Cameron, what how how is the business going?
Are you guys liking it? Is it fun? Are people
enjoying it? Yeah? Um, oh it's very fun. And that
was one thing that we we tried to be really
intentional about from from the ownership perspective, is we wanted
to be a place where it doesn't necessarily feel like work,
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but the personalities of the ownership um, which are fun
loving and or at least we hope to think that
we're fun loving UM and we really enjoy feeding off people. UM.
We want to be able to use those strengths in
a work environment, so we tried to go and cater
that environment to fit those strengths, and so it's a
lot of fun working there. It's going great, and we
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have great feedback from people every day. That's amazing. We
had such a good time when we were there, it
was amazing, and you guys were just so sweet and
kind to us. So I can definitely vouch for feeling
the love. What's the funnest thing about being at seven two? Honestly,
it's just the people. I love people. I love getting
to know people. We have such a such a wide swath,
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a great plethora of different kinds of people who could
walk through that door. We have pros, we have amateurs. Um.
I mean, getting to go and talk and interact with
all these people in a controlled environment where we all
get to enjoy this great and also very frustrating game
together is quite a privilege. What would you guys say
was the hardest part of putting seven two together? Bringing
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this to fruition. Oh that's a good question, although it
came together pretty quickly. So Um, Cameron and Brandon brought
the idea to me at the beginning of March and
we were open by June. When you get three people
who align in a passion, the hurdles and challenges start
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to become something that are very minute because you just
figure away right when when there's a will, there's a way.
And I think the three of us which makes us
great partners is we all bring very unique skill sets
to this. I am not a scratch golfer, so I
have no idea why we even named it seven to
other than the other two partners are scratch golfers, so
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you know, it's one of the things where golf is hard.
We say that every day at seven Too. It's very
It could be a frustrating game, but the great thing
is it's a game that binds. And just like building
the company, it binded the three of us together in
a family unit. You know, we're watching families every day
come into seven too and and enjoy time together. Right,
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not just kind of a kid being in one room
and the parents being another room. It's kind of joining
generations together because there is kind of this millennial or
gen you know z aspect of video games, but then
you also have the real aspect of swinging your own
clubs using your own balls and and being there in person,
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playing the game indoors versus outdoors. And now your kids
who are two to five years old can hang out
with you or even play with you in a safe
environment where no one's there judging and you're in your
own safe space with us. So it's just one of
those things to me, like where there's a will, there's
a way. And the biggest challenge of all of this
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is really kind of what's next, Like how big do
we want this to be? And that's the challenge for
us because we know the future is right. So when
we were there, we played um Pebble Beach and we
spoke about that in our last podcast. But why don't
you guys tell us a little about what type of
courses you can play and what kind of technology is
running all of this? Right now, we have about a
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hundred sixty seven courses, and that's a great mixture of
tour courses. Got about seventy tour courses right now that
are actively on tour almost every other year, and then
we got a great swath of of course is to
choose from that are outside of the tour realm that
are wonderful courses I mean, just for example, the three
that that were added this last month, I had never
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heard about, and quickly they've become my favorite courses to
play and I've replayed them, uh several several times. So
it's a great opportunity to go and get to know
new courses and great to know where I can go
and map out my road trip to go and play on.
The technology aspect is really quite a cool thing. So
after going through all of the different simulators and playing them, um,
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we we felt very porter Bowl and and felt like
we would have a great partnership with track Man Technology,
especially with their simulation and their and their launch monitor technology.
UM So it's a it's a they're based off track
Man for simular launch monitors that go and have two
radars and a camera that combine all that information to
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go and tell you what your ball is doing, what
your club's doing, h and also give you the tool
set to be able to start fixing that on your
own without having to pay someone oodles of money to
go and tell you something that you can see the
data on. Well, talking about the data besides playing courses,
like what else can um a customer do there? Yeah,
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so you can go in UH and play a course,
that's the thing that most people do. But also you
have the opportunity to go into in depth pro level
shot analysis that most people just don't have access to.
UM shot analysis that goes and shows you slow mo
video about what your club has doing. A lot of
the time we go and we see what our balls doing.
We can tell when going we hit u s last,
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when we hit a poll, when we topped the ball. However,
most of the time we don't know why. If you
see a SloMo video of your clubhead getting through to
impact that's going and showing you why your club and
the ball was doing what it's doing, as well as
twenty five other metrics ball speed and smash factor, dissenting,
all all these things that you can then UH after
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you learn a little bit about how to translate that
you can then apply to your game. There's also other
things to do as well. There's games like we were
talking about families. There's games that provide a fun, golf
loving atmosphere and also help you grow in the game
and have some fun. So another aspect of the technology
that we're actually using more and more is the ability
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to go and practice specific shots and get good at
those shots. A lot of people go and struggle with
shots from forty yards to eighty yards, and there's a
lot of pros that actually try to actively avoid those
shots because they're they're hard shots to have been control on, etcetera. So, um,
if I can go on Pebble Beach on really really
tough greens and practice forty to sixty yard shots on
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those greens and just be able to hit fifty at
a time, that translates into my arms, and now that's
a field thing rather than me guess working when I'm
getting on a course and I'm put in that position, Cameron,
I'd imagine that because you guys have access to this
anytime you want. You talk about having some favorite courses.
Have you played a course on track man and then
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gone and played it in person? Has played it on
TrackMan got you to want to go to that course
and give it a shot, and then how similar or
different was the experience? So I haven't been able to
play a course on track man and then go to
that course. Hopefully very soon the the opposite has actually happened.
So I played PG the Stadium course at PGA National
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about a half a year ago, and I was astounded
when I played it for the first time on track man. Well,
first of all, I realized it's still hard. That hasn't changed.
I have to play it out every single shot very carefully.
But the aesthetics, everything was was brilliantly rendered. They take
so much time and effort to make sure that it
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is clean, that it is beautiful, and that it is
accurate when they go and they render these courses. And
so when I'm playing out of a bunker, I mean,
I know, I know, I know the bunkers at PGA West,
and no, it's incredibly accurate and that that was a
very inspiring thing when I actually played it on track Man.
Now I'm excited to go back now that I've played
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pg A West five or six times, see if I
can actually conquer it. I was pretty fascinated by you
guys explaining to us how they do the rendering and
how they do the courses when they get added. Can
you tell us a little bit about how that goes down? Yeah, So,
I mean, track Man, sometimes they're reaching out to actual
courses and sometimes they're they're getting responses back saying hey,
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can you go and you outfit us with your technology
and our ranges, and so track Man has the unique
ability to go and leverage their range technology and their
launch monitors in these courses that want to add that
to their club to where they can be like, all right,
let us render your course and we're going to be
able to give people all around the world the opportunity
to go and play it, compete in tournaments that we sponsor,
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that you sponsor, and so that's a that's a process
that takes a couple several days, and it's it's a
very meticulous process that they take very seriously. Well, you
were telling us that they closed down a course for
about six days, They fly the drones over, they do
all the topography, and I mean it's pretty it's pretty accurate.
It's it's rigorous. They go and they do their due diligence,
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both for their customers and for their course. They don't
want to render a course to any level less than
they can for the course's sake and for the consumer's
perspective as well. And that was one thing that we
noticed when we were playing the other ones, the other
simulation companies, where it seemed like certain hoops weren't being
jumped through it was a much quicker process for more
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expediency rather than accuracy. What about let's talk about putting
um because we played the the the simulation, it takes
an average of where you're at and then it says
you either two put three putted or regular putty. Is
this an issue with the customers? Do you guys like it? What?
What's the feedback on the no puddy issue for me?
For myself? Um? Yeah, I mean if I was an
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on the Green and regulation, it would be amazing, right
because it takes a tour average um putting percentages, So
I better get that one putt slot role right if
I'm going to hit a birdie or even like a
par on normal. But you know what, I'm a bogey shooter,
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so I don't expect much less and funny enough, I
shoot that exactly on TrackMan, as I would on a course.
So for me, it translates very well into how I
normally play. So yeah, and I think for customers, no
one's ever really come back and said this is garbage.
The one thing that the auto putt does for people
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is know that, hey, they're going to give the benefit
of the doubt as a pro would be putting and
it moves the game along very quickly. But you're striking
your driver striking. Um it does translate. So uh yeah,
that that's how I would perceive it in Cameron, you know,
add anything for more of like the interaction from the
customers or feedback level before you do that. Cameron, we're
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gonna take a break. We're gonna come back with the
owners of seven two. We'll be right back. M all right,
So we're back and we're gonna hear from Cameron Fitzgerald
on what he thinks about putting. Yeah, putting is hard, period,
and that was that didn't necessarily change when I when
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I started putting on a simulator as well. UM, what
did change is how I think about putting. Where before
putting has always been the biggest weakness in my in
my game, probably because of my A D H D,
I'm not really willing to go and focus on something
for that long when I get on a green UM,
I really have struggled. But one thing that I've figured
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out as I've been putting within the simulator is, UM,
I become a lot more analytical about how I go
and I put. I focus more on the actual direction
of my stroke, how long it is, how much pace
it is depending on how many feet down to the
foot of the putt that's in front of me. And
so that's one thing that both for short game, for
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chipping um and putting as well. That's one thing that
I think has actually helped me a lot as I've
kind of transitioned with the technology. Attract man is going
and figuring out what in my hands no distractions around me,
What is a fifteen foot chip, what is a fifteen
ft pot, a ten foot put what? What does that
actually feel like in my hands? Um? Most people go
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and do auto putt for expediency and getting through rounds
and stuff like that, but we do have tournaments both
in the house and in international that required putting. Hold on.
We didn't know that you could pie. Are you telling
us that there's putting? We didn't put We didn't, but
oh my god, there's puttying. Wow, we were on auto pie.
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We were on was like completely upsetting for what I
would like, do it somewhat decent approach to the whole
and then it would be like, yess, what, Jess, you
just three putted and I'm like, what I gotta tell you, Jess,
I agree with Matt it was kind of like gambling.
It was like going to give you. I did not
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think that was Oh no, that was super exciting. I
love that part. Waiting. Okay, guys, since we didn't put,
so there is putting and wait, when you play a
course you can put like without auto putt. Oh my god. Okay.
In fairness again, so a lot of people come in
and when you when you book around a golf like,
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you're expected to play and you know, four to four
hours of fifteen minutes give or take, people are expecting
to get through potentially around and significant less time. Right,
And just like indoor simulation, as you guys, experience isn't
the same as physical golf. There's a bit of a
learning curve, right, And a learning curve is how to
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use the technology, how to really kind of direct your
vision or the kind of line of golf strike in
order to maximize your golf management or another way to
put that as minimized, but your potential strokes um you know,
and so if you added in the manual putting, it
would for your first time, add significant time to your game. Right.
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So it was more so getting the two of you
and Darby and Scotty and to play and enjoy the round.
Didn't know it took away from your round, Jets. We apologize,
so you know what we love to have you has
come back in and put away. Um. But but a
lot of times we actually have very few people say,
oh man, I want to put I think most people
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want to come in and just enjoy the experience, right
because of putting Again, it's tough to if you're not
a player like a Cameron Fitzgerald, it's tough to really
translate the putting game back into your real game or
the physical game. Yeah, I could see that. I could
see that I'm kind of down with the auto putt.
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I mean, look, I get it, I get it. It's
just that like what I think what I had said
is that like because of my distance not being where
it needs to be at all times, right, I'm not
always getting greens in regulations. So for me it was
a huge deficit, right, Like I take three shots to
get to the whole or to the green on a
par for and then I only have one shot and
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if I'm not, you know, right next to the pen,
it was auto putting for me, and it was a
little discouraging the whole thing was a bit discouraging just
because it was so new, and I mean you have
a point, like there were so many different things happening
and getting used to it. I feel like going back,
I would have a better idea of how we're doing it,
but I would like to try it right. Like I'm
super cry there for nine hours. If you were trying
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to say to the right, I swear, well, the good
news is you can put on me the grid right,
and the grid's gonna show you, you know, the topical
undulations and how it flows, and that will give you
a better sense. So if you guys did come in
or anyone listening, I would say, come in with two
people or four people, book two bays to per bay
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and be able to speed up the rate of play
that way, right, Um, just so you're now not putting
four people in one day that that could take some
time if again you're not familiar with the technology, And
once you are, you can shop plan and you can
crank through around. You know, Cameron Brandon and myself can
probably crank through eighteen and in a quick short hour,
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the three of us, But that's because we already anticipate
our next shot. We know exactly how to manipulate the
track man view all these little things that there is
a learning curve, just like you do anything new, you know,
it's it's you. You come in, you experience it, and
every time you experience it after that, you're just going
to improve on not only your proficiency but your efficiency.
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So there's something else that you guys just touched on
that I want to know more about, which is tournaments.
How does that work? Because we left there saying there's
got to be tournaments that take place here. So walk
us through what track man tournaments look like? And is
there a long drive contest? Yeah, no, there are, And
there's a lot of ways that we can go and
and create these tournaments and take part in these tournaments.
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So every week track Men has different sponsors that sponsor
different tournaments, tournament prizes, whatever, uh, And they're either available
to everyone or they're available by invitation, and so they'll
invite certain people once you get to a certain level,
once you play enough um to to individual tournaments. But
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then there's a lot of tournaments every week. There's always
at least one where anyone is welcome to go and
play into it. It doesn't matter your handicap, and you'll
actually be put into a handicap group so you can
compete with people who play to a similar level as you.
There's also long longest drive prizes as well for stuff
like that. If you just like going and hit in
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the stink out of the ball, not only can dract
man do that from their side, but we can as well.
So during the during the the Open, which was at St. Andrew's, thankfully,
I woke up very very early and I was able
to go and use the same conditions uh for our
tournament that was actually being played at the Open on
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that Thursday, and so it was a great experience being
able to do an in house tournament. Um though because
it was the same conditions, it was very difficult, but
it was. It was such a great experience. It's being
able to go and do something like that and getting
to show people, hey, this is a little bit of
what it might feel like to play the Open. That's incredible.
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This is my issue if if me and the owners
had the same handicap, but they know how to use
the technology. Remember I was talking about afraid of the cheater.
I'm afraid of the cheez You guys are gonna figure
something out that I didn't know. Maybe wind conditions make
the ground harder, your ball rolls faster. I don't know.
You're very worried about. Well, the good the good news
is right if the if the tournament is said, uh,
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the tournament conditions are equitable across like So it isn't
just like you'd come in and said yeah, you wouldn't
like you just come in and play St. Andrew's just
the regular course. It would be a tournament specific plug
in that that Cameron or one of the owners would
build and then it's automatically uploaded into the system and
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you'd go to the tournament section, you'd hit it, and
then everyone plays the same thing. And that's where all
they are, all the school are tracked. But that's where
you asked the right questions. And Cameron Brandon, who are
there at seven two, are always there to help and
we've continued to dial in the calibration. So we've appreciated
you guys so much just being huge advocates of what
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we're doing. Well, we'll come out anytime you need to
fit back, that's for sure. I just I want to
be clear for everybody who's listening. I mean, you can
go out out to seven two, you can play a
course out of the hundred and sixty seven courses that
you've got, you can go and you can work on
swing mechanics, you can look at all the analytics. I
mean it's nuts, right, Like that was one of my
favorite parts. Like I started to do like hone in
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on one and then the whole rest of them just
went berserker. Um, but that's super fascinating. But you've guys
have also got the tournaments for people wanting to come
in and work on their game and work with a coach.
You've also got that whole. And there's also birthday parties,
bachelor parties, corporate parties, corporate parties, get away from parties, right,
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That's what I would do. And the facility is so
top notch. We were talking about this in the last podcast.
I mean it is the most beautiful facility, is so comforting.
And I see that you're wearing seven to sweatshirt. Your
swag is amazing to love the logo thank you, thank You.
That was one of the other things too when we
were there. Is the clothing that you guys have for
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sale too was beautiful, right, Like, it's top nice it's
beautiful stuff. Yeah. Um, so you guys also rent out
equipment for people who don't who are just coming into
the sport, right, and they can come and they can
use and rent some some sticks, right Okay, And uh
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so do you guys have a lot of new people
coming out before they're going to the range going at
seven to Yeah. I mean, I'll let Cameron talk this again,
he's there a bit more. But I mean I witnessed
people who who are so new they have no idea
even how to hold a golf club. Right, that's as
new as it gets. Like, you know, for us, it's
second you know, for us golfers at second nature. But
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you know, watch some people kind of like literally reverse
hand grips. Then they swing and I couldn't even tell
you that it's even a swing. Um, but hey, they're
there and they're having a good time, and they're enjoying
themselves because again, the intimidation factor has basically been broken
down and they're there with people they feel good about
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and they're having a good time. And that's why we
built this facility was really to just give a safe
place for people to learn the game and they don't
need the investment like you would if you you went
to an actual course, right. We provide the clubs for
a very inexpensive price. We provide the balls free actually,
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and you know, we want to make sure that people
are really figuring out a way to get acquainted with
the game without the costs associated with the game. Well,
we we love it and um, we're so excited to
have you guys on. Thank you again so much for
having us play and experience seven to UM. We've been
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telling everyone about it. Um, where where can they find you? Where?
Where can everybody go to seven? Sure? So they can
find us in Newbury Park off of Wendy Drive. So
that's our physical location. So look us up on Google.
I think we're one of the you know, checking indoor
golf simulation in Ventura County and I'm almost positive we're
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one of the top for that pop up. And then
you can also find us at Instagram at seven to Golf. Um.
Well you'll find a lot of fun little buzz videos
where Cameron's you know, hitting birdies on a daily basis.
Some of them are absolutely just ridiculous. Um. I call
him the Gulf Ninja. And then we have tips and
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tricks in there and then nightly holes and you know,
we we got a lot of little things going on.
You know, even right now if you're into football. Football
just started this week. You know, we have TVs all
over the place and every bay. What better way to
mix you know, your your football passion with with your
golfing experience. But what we do have is Casey Hardy
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Um and you can find him on the link tree.
He's trained by George Genkis and is associated with his teachings,
uses some of the same technology and Cameron, you may
be able to tell um the folks out there listening
kind of the pedigree of which Casey comes from, because
George Genkis, I think you know has has a golf
pro on the tour currently. From from our standpoint, case
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has been top notch and from from first talking with them,
outside of his pedigree itself, one of the most gifted
coaches that I've ever met or interacted with as far
as his ability to go and call them those initial
nerves that golfers have when they get into a lesson,
the defensiveness that comes with going into a lesson within anything,
Hopefully they're not going to go and change the part
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of me that is doing this artful sport. Um he
goes and calms that in a really unique way so
that you can actually grow in the game a lot
within that little time. And so George Genkis, I mean
he went and he was he was the coach of
Matthew wolf Uh and one of the main things that
he's known for is he he doesn't believe that there's
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just one cookie cutter shot that everybody should be taking,
and that's proven by Maddie Wolfe's proficiency out on the
tour um. And now, I mean he was the first
person to go and hit a hole in one on
the Lift Tour and he's his swings a little different,
but he smacks it far and straight. So there's there's
really something to be said about genkis Is teaching in
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case he goes and takes it and applies his own
strengths to it. Is also a scientist of the game
as well. So yeah, no, top notch and he's definitely
worth it. So what we're saying is come check out
seven too. And then also if you're looking for a lesson,
you gotta get one. My case, he can. He's top notch,
and he uses our track man technology, and you'll be
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able to geek out on all the data that he's
able to bring and not just his golfing technique, but
now mix that with all the metrics and you're basically
about is the most informed golfer you'll ever thought you
would be. So yeah, I just well love Casey being
a part of our facility. Um, you can't say enough
good things about him. Awesome. It sounds like seven two
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is a one stop shop for all your golf needs.
It is, it is, and I can't wait to go
back you guys. It was amazing having you join us.
It was amazing coming out to seven two. We will
definitely be back out there soon. Uh. It's been an
absolute pleasure getting to know all of you and getting
to play with you and getting to hang out, and
we're just so grateful that we're all in each other's
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lives now. Of course, golf is the tie that binds
to builds a community where on social media can they
find you again? On Instagram it's at seven to Golf,
and then on Facebook sp into indoor golf and our TikTok,
which we're also putting more and more stuff on is
SPN two Golf as well. Well, we want to thank
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uh Matt Fowler, Brandon Shade, and Cameron Fitzherald. Even though
Brandon is still am I, he's here in spirit. Thank
you Brandon. All right, well, we love you guys, and
we will see you soon and we look forward to
another round at seven to wait. Love you guys. We're
gonna take a break and we'll be back with mulligan's.
(32:30):
All right. M well, that was so much fun. Those
guys are awesome. Ye. Seven to indoor golf is pretty awesome. Yeah,
it's amazing to go back. I can't wait to go back.
You know what we're doing. Yeah, so we say what,
let's do some mulligans. Let's do some mulligans. I have
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another gear update. Um, I got some new irons. Oh
you did did? I did too? I know, so everyone listening,
we have a joint mulligan here. We both went into
the tireless T four hundred irons with the Fubuki Graphite
CHAFT fifty five Graham regular flex. I got one. Jess
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loved them. So guess who had to get one? Jeff
had to get one. So we have T four hundreds. Um,
I'm still I saw my chipper Um, I did get
like five new putters. Yeah you did. Yeah. Next episode,
we're gonna talk about a tournament that we played in
the Golf Charity Tournament, and I was putting lights out
(33:38):
with my Scotty Cameron Concept X two. I was putting
lights out with my Lab Golf mess either way. I mean,
I'm just saying, like I, you change your putter all
the time, I do not. Um. Also in the in
the heart of title list, we um, there's the TSR
new drivers that just came out that are not out,
but I got to try him at Roger John and
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I have a t S I two, which is the
one just before. I don't know the difference, but I
did play with it today. So the new driver is
the t S I to title lists with a graphite design,
stiff shaft Trey d D I six. Um. So, now
I guess I'm a titles guy. I guess we're title
list people. Now you are definitely I'm definitely titles. I
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still have my being driver, but my titleists uh irons
are just amazing. I mean I took one shot with
yours when you got them, and it was that was it.
I said, I have to have these can we please
go get them for me? We got them. I got
a brand new set. It was my first brand new
set ever. Right, I had to take off all the plastic.
It came in a beautiful box at each club. It
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was incredible. And I gotta tell you, like, what a
difference for my game. I mean, I know you wouldn't
tell by the game I played today, but the last
couple of games that I've played, Uh, we're just insane.
The ball flight that I'm getting out of those irons.
I have never had the type a ball flight and
that that leaves Super Bowls on the greens, super Bowl divots,
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and it's so exciting for me to smack one of
these and then watch the ball flight and it's just
the most beautiful arc. And then it comes and it
lands and it does not roll, and it does not move,
It just sticks onto the green. It's it's incredible. They're
so forgiving, They're so wonderful. I I never want another club. So,
just for those of you that are listening to four hundreds,
(35:29):
are is from the title sign there the three hundred
and then the four hundred. The four D is like
a game improvement or even a super game improvement. They're
really big and they're really trying, and they're extremely strong vofted,
Like every club that you have is one lower. So
if it's a nine, it's actually an eight because of
the strong wall. You would think that we shouldn't be
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playing those clubs since what we shoot, but they're so
awesome and they are so forgiving that I don't care
how chunky they are. They're amazing and um they're sexy
looking too. So the loss are so strong on them
that it actually takes one of your clubs out of
your bag. We have six through a gap wedge, so
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it's six through pitching wedge and approach wedge and a
gap wedge. But as Brian will tell you if you
ever have the chance to play with him, is the
six is actually a five? It is the six is
a five. It's is twenty it's twenty three degrees of laws. Yeah,
so every so it's it's good because not only are
they t four hundreds titless, but you get to go
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on the team. You're like, I'm hitting a six iron
when someone is going to hit their five or the four,
but what they don't know it's a six on it.
But it's really extremely strong enough, so it's really a five. Yeah. No,
they're incredible, Thank you so much for my so about that. Um,
they're bucks. Um And just so you know, it's really weird, like, um,
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you would think that the that the game improvement or
super game improvement wouldn't be so expensive, but they're the
most expensive, tireless out of the tund line, even more
expensive than I think. It comes down to you get
what you pay for, right, and it's it's really changed
my game. So I think they're incredible. I'm really grateful.
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You're incredible. You're incredible. Where can they find us, babe?
They can find us at Balls, the Letter, in Holes, Golf.
We're on all social media platforms. You can find us online.
You can reach us through Instagram, uh, TikTok, all of those. So, Babe,
(37:38):
as always, I love golfing with you. I love you.
Thanks for golfing with me. You're my hero. Balls and Holes.
It's produced and distributed by the eight Side Network
You're listening to Balls and Holes. Jessica Bust and Brian
the Pescara. Hi baby, Hi baby, how are you good?
We're back. We are. We had a great week, a
couple of weeks. It has been fun. It has been fun,
a lot of golf. We have some special guests today. Yes,
remember last week we uh we talked about seven to
(00:24):
the indoor golf simulators. Guess who we have on today?
Who we have the owners? We have Matt Fowler, Brandon
Shay and Cameron Fitzgerald. We're going to talk to them. Amazing.
Hi guys, Yo, what's going on. I'm really excited that
you guys could come on with us. We loved hanging
out at seven to with you guys. It was such
a treat. Yeah, thanks for having us on tonight. It's
(00:47):
such a blast having both of you out to seven
to the other day. It was so fun having you
guys there. So, for those of the listeners who are
unfamiliar with seven two our indoor golf simulators, can you
tell us what it's all about? Yeah? So, what what
do we want the listeners to know about seven too? Well,
you know, first off, let's explain the name seven two
(01:08):
is a creative way of basically saying seventy two um.
And for those of you who are golfers, you know
that is scratch golf. For those that aren't golfers, scratch
golf is the epitome of being a golfer on a course,
is basically playing the perfect game. So, you know, we
want seven two to be a premier indoor golf facility
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for all players alike, those that are just learning how
to begin and those who are pros. And the way
that we're trying to accomplish that is we've leveraged the
track Men for technology. And for those out there that
don't know what track Men is, track Men's kind of
the gold standard in terms of launch simulators. So the
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p G A had Us uses them on tour, a
lot of the pros have them in their homes and
or to work on their metrics, which is whether their strikes,
their distance, loft, attack angle, all this fun stuff. Us
geeks and nerds that love golf really want to know
that you can't get out on a driving range. But
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the other fun thing about the TrackMan technology is they've
gone ahead and they have rendered and put together a
hundred and sixty seven beautiful courses for anybody to play.
So really, if you went to our facility play one
time a week, you literally can play a new course
every week for the next three years. It's pretty incredible.
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But outside of that, you know, we want people to
know that seven two isn't just a place where pros
or people come and work on the game. It's where
people can come and have fun, Families can come and
have fun um And that's really kind of why we
built seven too, was to be an environment that was
a lot more welcoming than let's say you're traditional just
(02:58):
golf course or driving rain is. We want to lower
the barrier of entry into this sport. So what that
means is, you know, at seven two we are about
you know, half the cost of what it would cost
for a tea time on a physical course. You could
play a full eighteen in about half the time. Uh.
And ultimately we lower the intimidation factor because we are
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a four bay facility with three private bays full walls
on either side of you and one full private bay,
So whether or not you're in one of the semi
private base hitting away, there really isn't any kind of
unwanted eyes on you. And then we also have a
private base. So if you want to fully kind of
encase yourself in the experience, not have any kind of
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unwanted or priorize on you, you have that opportunity as well.
So you know, what we did is we wanted to
create an environment where we know that anyone can feel
great about coming and be able to really enjoy the
sport and a compress not a time, saving themselves money
and being less intimidated than if they were standing in
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practicing in front of a bunch of other golfers. So, Matt,
we can totally vouch for what you're saying since we
played at your facility and it was incredible. What is
the future for seven to sure? I mean, um, the
sky's the limit, I think in terms of where we
want to go with this. We the initial vision when
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the three of us got together and says, what do
we want this to be? Um long term and when
we grow up as a company, right, we want to
be the premier indoor golf facility. Right. And so as
we all know, Roy McElroy and Tiger just you know
announced they're going to start some sort of indoor golf
(04:49):
simulation league. Um, we anticipated something of this nature kind
of coming or into trend, and we want to be
a place where people here about indoor golf and they're like, well,
I gotta go check it out. So where would we
check this out at right? And the first place that
comes to mind would be SPN two in the future. Um,
(05:09):
we'd like that to become to mind now, but we
just started on June of this year, so uh, you know,
we we were just starting to crawl a little bit,
and so yeah, we we want to see us grow,
have multiple facilities across the nation, multiple facilities here in
southern California, and just be a household name of indoor
(05:31):
golf simulation. So Cameron, what how how is the business going?
Are you guys liking it? Is it fun? Are people
enjoying it? Yeah? Um, oh it's very fun. And that
was one thing that we we tried to be really
intentional about from from the ownership perspective, is we wanted
to be a place where it doesn't necessarily feel like work,
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but the personalities of the ownership um, which are fun
loving and or at least we hope to think that
we're fun loving UM and we really enjoy feeding off people. UM.
We want to be able to use those strengths in
a work environment, so we tried to go and cater
that environment to fit those strengths, and so it's a
lot of fun working there. It's going great, and we
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have great feedback from people every day. That's amazing. We
had such a good time when we were there, it
was amazing, and you guys were just so sweet and
kind to us. So I can definitely vouch for feeling
the love. What's the funnest thing about being at seven two? Honestly,
it's just the people. I love people. I love getting
to know people. We have such a such a wide swath,
(06:37):
a great plethora of different kinds of people who could
walk through that door. We have pros, we have amateurs. Um.
I mean, getting to go and talk and interact with
all these people in a controlled environment where we all
get to enjoy this great and also very frustrating game
together is quite a privilege. What would you guys say
was the hardest part of putting seven two together? Bringing
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this to fruition. Oh that's a good question, although it
came together pretty quickly. So Um, Cameron and Brandon brought
the idea to me at the beginning of March and
we were open by June. When you get three people
who align in a passion, the hurdles and challenges start
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to become something that are very minute because you just
figure away right when when there's a will, there's a way.
And I think the three of us which makes us
great partners is we all bring very unique skill sets
to this. I am not a scratch golfer, so I
have no idea why we even named it seven to
other than the other two partners are scratch golfers, so
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you know, it's one of the things where golf is hard.
We say that every day at seven Too. It's very
It could be a frustrating game, but the great thing
is it's a game that binds. And just like building
the company, it binded the three of us together in
a family unit. You know, we're watching families every day
come into seven too and and enjoy time together. Right,
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not just kind of a kid being in one room
and the parents being another room. It's kind of joining
generations together because there is kind of this millennial or
gen you know z aspect of video games, but then
you also have the real aspect of swinging your own
clubs using your own balls and and being there in person,
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playing the game indoors versus outdoors. And now your kids
who are two to five years old can hang out
with you or even play with you in a safe
environment where no one's there judging and you're in your
own safe space with us. So it's just one of
those things to me, like where there's a will, there's
a way. And the biggest challenge of all of this
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is really kind of what's next, Like how big do
we want this to be? And that's the challenge for
us because we know the future is right. So when
we were there, we played um Pebble Beach and we
spoke about that in our last podcast. But why don't
you guys tell us a little about what type of
courses you can play and what kind of technology is
running all of this? Right now, we have about a
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hundred sixty seven courses, and that's a great mixture of
tour courses. Got about seventy tour courses right now that
are actively on tour almost every other year, and then
we got a great swath of of course is to
choose from that are outside of the tour realm that
are wonderful courses I mean, just for example, the three
that that were added this last month, I had never
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heard about, and quickly they've become my favorite courses to
play and I've replayed them, uh several several times. So
it's a great opportunity to go and get to know
new courses and great to know where I can go
and map out my road trip to go and play on.
The technology aspect is really quite a cool thing. So
after going through all of the different simulators and playing them, um,
(09:58):
we we felt very porter Bowl and and felt like
we would have a great partnership with track Man Technology,
especially with their simulation and their and their launch monitor technology.
UM So it's a it's a they're based off track
Man for simular launch monitors that go and have two
radars and a camera that combine all that information to
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go and tell you what your ball is doing, what
your club's doing, h and also give you the tool
set to be able to start fixing that on your
own without having to pay someone oodles of money to
go and tell you something that you can see the
data on. Well, talking about the data besides playing courses,
like what else can um a customer do there? Yeah,
(10:39):
so you can go in UH and play a course,
that's the thing that most people do. But also you
have the opportunity to go into in depth pro level
shot analysis that most people just don't have access to.
UM shot analysis that goes and shows you slow mo
video about what your club has doing. A lot of
the time we go and we see what our balls doing.
We can tell when going we hit u s last,
(11:00):
when we hit a poll, when we topped the ball. However,
most of the time we don't know why. If you
see a SloMo video of your clubhead getting through to
impact that's going and showing you why your club and
the ball was doing what it's doing, as well as
twenty five other metrics ball speed and smash factor, dissenting,
all all these things that you can then UH after
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you learn a little bit about how to translate that
you can then apply to your game. There's also other
things to do as well. There's games like we were
talking about families. There's games that provide a fun, golf
loving atmosphere and also help you grow in the game
and have some fun. So another aspect of the technology
that we're actually using more and more is the ability
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to go and practice specific shots and get good at
those shots. A lot of people go and struggle with
shots from forty yards to eighty yards, and there's a
lot of pros that actually try to actively avoid those
shots because they're they're hard shots to have been control on, etcetera. So, um,
if I can go on Pebble Beach on really really
tough greens and practice forty to sixty yard shots on
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those greens and just be able to hit fifty at
a time, that translates into my arms, and now that's
a field thing rather than me guess working when I'm
getting on a course and I'm put in that position, Cameron,
I'd imagine that because you guys have access to this
anytime you want. You talk about having some favorite courses.
Have you played a course on track man and then
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gone and played it in person? Has played it on
TrackMan got you to want to go to that course
and give it a shot, and then how similar or
different was the experience? So I haven't been able to
play a course on track man and then go to
that course. Hopefully very soon the the opposite has actually happened.
So I played PG the Stadium course at PGA National
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about a half a year ago, and I was astounded
when I played it for the first time on track man. Well,
first of all, I realized it's still hard. That hasn't changed.
I have to play it out every single shot very carefully.
But the aesthetics, everything was was brilliantly rendered. They take
so much time and effort to make sure that it
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is clean, that it is beautiful, and that it is
accurate when they go and they render these courses. And
so when I'm playing out of a bunker, I mean,
I know, I know, I know the bunkers at PGA West,
and no, it's incredibly accurate and that that was a
very inspiring thing when I actually played it on track Man.
Now I'm excited to go back now that I've played
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pg A West five or six times, see if I
can actually conquer it. I was pretty fascinated by you
guys explaining to us how they do the rendering and
how they do the courses when they get added. Can
you tell us a little bit about how that goes down? Yeah, So,
I mean, track Man, sometimes they're reaching out to actual
courses and sometimes they're they're getting responses back saying hey,
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can you go and you outfit us with your technology
and our ranges, and so track Man has the unique
ability to go and leverage their range technology and their
launch monitors in these courses that want to add that
to their club to where they can be like, all right,
let us render your course and we're going to be
able to give people all around the world the opportunity
to go and play it, compete in tournaments that we sponsor,
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that you sponsor, and so that's a that's a process
that takes a couple several days, and it's it's a
very meticulous process that they take very seriously. Well, you
were telling us that they closed down a course for
about six days, They fly the drones over, they do
all the topography, and I mean it's pretty it's pretty accurate.
It's it's rigorous. They go and they do their due diligence,
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both for their customers and for their course. They don't
want to render a course to any level less than
they can for the course's sake and for the consumer's
perspective as well. And that was one thing that we
noticed when we were playing the other ones, the other
simulation companies, where it seemed like certain hoops weren't being
jumped through it was a much quicker process for more
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expediency rather than accuracy. What about let's talk about putting
um because we played the the the simulation, it takes
an average of where you're at and then it says
you either two put three putted or regular putty. Is
this an issue with the customers? Do you guys like it? What?
What's the feedback on the no puddy issue for me?
For myself? Um? Yeah, I mean if I was an
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on the Green and regulation, it would be amazing, right
because it takes a tour average um putting percentages, So
I better get that one putt slot role right if
I'm going to hit a birdie or even like a
par on normal. But you know what, I'm a bogey shooter,
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so I don't expect much less and funny enough, I
shoot that exactly on TrackMan, as I would on a course.
So for me, it translates very well into how I
normally play. So yeah, and I think for customers, no
one's ever really come back and said this is garbage.
The one thing that the auto putt does for people
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is know that, hey, they're going to give the benefit
of the doubt as a pro would be putting and
it moves the game along very quickly. But you're striking
your driver striking. Um it does translate. So uh yeah,
that that's how I would perceive it in Cameron, you know,
add anything for more of like the interaction from the
customers or feedback level before you do that. Cameron, we're
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gonna take a break. We're gonna come back with the
owners of seven two. We'll be right back. M all right,
So we're back and we're gonna hear from Cameron Fitzgerald
on what he thinks about putting. Yeah, putting is hard, period,
and that was that didn't necessarily change when I when
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I started putting on a simulator as well. UM, what
did change is how I think about putting. Where before
putting has always been the biggest weakness in my in
my game, probably because of my A D H D,
I'm not really willing to go and focus on something
for that long when I get on a green UM,
I really have struggled. But one thing that I've figured
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out as I've been putting within the simulator is, UM,
I become a lot more analytical about how I go
and I put. I focus more on the actual direction
of my stroke, how long it is, how much pace
it is depending on how many feet down to the
foot of the putt that's in front of me. And
so that's one thing that both for short game, for
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chipping um and putting as well. That's one thing that
I think has actually helped me a lot as I've
kind of transitioned with the technology. Attract man is going
and figuring out what in my hands no distractions around me,
What is a fifteen foot chip, what is a fifteen
ft pot, a ten foot put what? What does that
actually feel like in my hands? Um? Most people go
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and do auto putt for expediency and getting through rounds
and stuff like that, but we do have tournaments both
in the house and in international that required putting. Hold on.
We didn't know that you could pie. Are you telling
us that there's putting? We didn't put We didn't, but
oh my god, there's puttying. Wow, we were on auto pie.
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We were on was like completely upsetting for what I
would like, do it somewhat decent approach to the whole
and then it would be like, yess, what, Jess, you
just three putted and I'm like, what I gotta tell you, Jess,
I agree with Matt it was kind of like gambling.
It was like going to give you. I did not
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think that was Oh no, that was super exciting. I
love that part. Waiting. Okay, guys, since we didn't put,
so there is putting and wait, when you play a
course you can put like without auto putt. Oh my god. Okay.
In fairness again, so a lot of people come in
and when you when you book around a golf like,
(19:02):
you're expected to play and you know, four to four
hours of fifteen minutes give or take, people are expecting
to get through potentially around and significant less time. Right,
And just like indoor simulation, as you guys, experience isn't
the same as physical golf. There's a bit of a
learning curve, right, And a learning curve is how to
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use the technology, how to really kind of direct your
vision or the kind of line of golf strike in
order to maximize your golf management or another way to
put that as minimized, but your potential strokes um you know,
and so if you added in the manual putting, it
would for your first time, add significant time to your game. Right.
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So it was more so getting the two of you
and Darby and Scotty and to play and enjoy the round.
Didn't know it took away from your round, Jets. We apologize,
so you know what we love to have you has
come back in and put away. Um. But but a
lot of times we actually have very few people say,
oh man, I want to put I think most people
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want to come in and just enjoy the experience, right
because of putting Again, it's tough to if you're not
a player like a Cameron Fitzgerald, it's tough to really
translate the putting game back into your real game or
the physical game. Yeah, I could see that. I could
see that I'm kind of down with the auto putt.
(20:30):
I mean, look, I get it, I get it. It's
just that like what I think what I had said
is that like because of my distance not being where
it needs to be at all times, right, I'm not
always getting greens in regulations. So for me it was
a huge deficit, right, Like I take three shots to
get to the whole or to the green on a
par for and then I only have one shot and
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if I'm not, you know, right next to the pen,
it was auto putting for me, and it was a
little discouraging the whole thing was a bit discouraging just
because it was so new, and I mean you have
a point, like there were so many different things happening
and getting used to it. I feel like going back,
I would have a better idea of how we're doing it,
but I would like to try it right. Like I'm
super cry there for nine hours. If you were trying
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to say to the right, I swear, well, the good
news is you can put on me the grid right,
and the grid's gonna show you, you know, the topical
undulations and how it flows, and that will give you
a better sense. So if you guys did come in
or anyone listening, I would say, come in with two
people or four people, book two bays to per bay
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and be able to speed up the rate of play
that way, right, Um, just so you're now not putting
four people in one day that that could take some
time if again you're not familiar with the technology, And
once you are, you can shop plan and you can
crank through around. You know, Cameron Brandon and myself can
probably crank through eighteen and in a quick short hour,
(21:59):
the three of us, But that's because we already anticipate
our next shot. We know exactly how to manipulate the
track man view all these little things that there is
a learning curve, just like you do anything new, you know,
it's it's you. You come in, you experience it, and
every time you experience it after that, you're just going
to improve on not only your proficiency but your efficiency.
(22:21):
So there's something else that you guys just touched on
that I want to know more about, which is tournaments.
How does that work? Because we left there saying there's
got to be tournaments that take place here. So walk
us through what track man tournaments look like? And is
there a long drive contest? Yeah, no, there are, And
there's a lot of ways that we can go and
and create these tournaments and take part in these tournaments.
(22:44):
So every week track Men has different sponsors that sponsor
different tournaments, tournament prizes, whatever, uh, And they're either available
to everyone or they're available by invitation, and so they'll
invite certain people once you get to a certain level,
once you play enough um to to individual tournaments. But
(23:04):
then there's a lot of tournaments every week. There's always
at least one where anyone is welcome to go and
play into it. It doesn't matter your handicap, and you'll
actually be put into a handicap group so you can
compete with people who play to a similar level as you.
There's also long longest drive prizes as well for stuff
like that. If you just like going and hit in
(23:25):
the stink out of the ball, not only can dract
man do that from their side, but we can as well.
So during the during the the Open, which was at St. Andrew's, thankfully,
I woke up very very early and I was able
to go and use the same conditions uh for our
tournament that was actually being played at the Open on
(23:48):
that Thursday, and so it was a great experience being
able to do an in house tournament. Um though because
it was the same conditions, it was very difficult, but
it was. It was such a great experience. It's being
able to go and do something like that and getting
to show people, hey, this is a little bit of
what it might feel like to play the Open. That's incredible.
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This is my issue if if me and the owners
had the same handicap, but they know how to use
the technology. Remember I was talking about afraid of the cheater.
I'm afraid of the cheez You guys are gonna figure
something out that I didn't know. Maybe wind conditions make
the ground harder, your ball rolls faster. I don't know.
You're very worried about. Well, the good the good news
is right if the if the tournament is said, uh,
(24:32):
the tournament conditions are equitable across like So it isn't
just like you'd come in and said yeah, you wouldn't
like you just come in and play St. Andrew's just
the regular course. It would be a tournament specific plug
in that that Cameron or one of the owners would
build and then it's automatically uploaded into the system and
(24:53):
you'd go to the tournament section, you'd hit it, and
then everyone plays the same thing. And that's where all
they are, all the school are tracked. But that's where
you asked the right questions. And Cameron Brandon, who are
there at seven two, are always there to help and
we've continued to dial in the calibration. So we've appreciated
you guys so much just being huge advocates of what
(25:15):
we're doing. Well, we'll come out anytime you need to
fit back, that's for sure. I just I want to
be clear for everybody who's listening. I mean, you can
go out out to seven two, you can play a
course out of the hundred and sixty seven courses that
you've got, you can go and you can work on
swing mechanics, you can look at all the analytics. I
mean it's nuts, right, Like that was one of my
favorite parts. Like I started to do like hone in
(25:37):
on one and then the whole rest of them just
went berserker. Um, but that's super fascinating. But you've guys
have also got the tournaments for people wanting to come
in and work on their game and work with a coach.
You've also got that whole. And there's also birthday parties,
bachelor parties, corporate parties, corporate parties, get away from parties, right,
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That's what I would do. And the facility is so
top notch. We were talking about this in the last podcast.
I mean it is the most beautiful facility, is so comforting.
And I see that you're wearing seven to sweatshirt. Your
swag is amazing to love the logo thank you, thank You.
That was one of the other things too when we
were there. Is the clothing that you guys have for
(26:21):
sale too was beautiful, right, Like, it's top nice it's
beautiful stuff. Yeah. Um, so you guys also rent out
equipment for people who don't who are just coming into
the sport, right, and they can come and they can
use and rent some some sticks, right Okay, And uh
(26:41):
so do you guys have a lot of new people
coming out before they're going to the range going at
seven to Yeah. I mean, I'll let Cameron talk this again,
he's there a bit more. But I mean I witnessed
people who who are so new they have no idea
even how to hold a golf club. Right, that's as
new as it gets. Like, you know, for us, it's
second you know, for us golfers at second nature. But
(27:03):
you know, watch some people kind of like literally reverse
hand grips. Then they swing and I couldn't even tell
you that it's even a swing. Um, but hey, they're
there and they're having a good time, and they're enjoying
themselves because again, the intimidation factor has basically been broken
down and they're there with people they feel good about
(27:23):
and they're having a good time. And that's why we
built this facility was really to just give a safe
place for people to learn the game and they don't
need the investment like you would if you you went
to an actual course, right. We provide the clubs for
a very inexpensive price. We provide the balls free actually,
(27:45):
and you know, we want to make sure that people
are really figuring out a way to get acquainted with
the game without the costs associated with the game. Well,
we we love it and um, we're so excited to
have you guys on. Thank you again so much for
having us play and experience seven to UM. We've been
(28:09):
telling everyone about it. Um, where where can they find you? Where?
Where can everybody go to seven? Sure? So they can
find us in Newbury Park off of Wendy Drive. So
that's our physical location. So look us up on Google.
I think we're one of the you know, checking indoor
golf simulation in Ventura County and I'm almost positive we're
(28:29):
one of the top for that pop up. And then
you can also find us at Instagram at seven to Golf. Um.
Well you'll find a lot of fun little buzz videos
where Cameron's you know, hitting birdies on a daily basis.
Some of them are absolutely just ridiculous. Um. I call
him the Gulf Ninja. And then we have tips and
(28:50):
tricks in there and then nightly holes and you know,
we we got a lot of little things going on.
You know, even right now if you're into football. Football
just started this week. You know, we have TVs all
over the place and every bay. What better way to
mix you know, your your football passion with with your
golfing experience. But what we do have is Casey Hardy
(29:12):
Um and you can find him on the link tree.
He's trained by George Genkis and is associated with his teachings,
uses some of the same technology and Cameron, you may
be able to tell um the folks out there listening
kind of the pedigree of which Casey comes from, because
George Genkis, I think you know has has a golf
pro on the tour currently. From from our standpoint, case
(29:36):
has been top notch and from from first talking with them,
outside of his pedigree itself, one of the most gifted
coaches that I've ever met or interacted with as far
as his ability to go and call them those initial
nerves that golfers have when they get into a lesson,
the defensiveness that comes with going into a lesson within anything,
Hopefully they're not going to go and change the part
(29:57):
of me that is doing this artful sport. Um he
goes and calms that in a really unique way so
that you can actually grow in the game a lot
within that little time. And so George Genkis, I mean
he went and he was he was the coach of
Matthew wolf Uh and one of the main things that
he's known for is he he doesn't believe that there's
(30:18):
just one cookie cutter shot that everybody should be taking,
and that's proven by Maddie Wolfe's proficiency out on the
tour um. And now, I mean he was the first
person to go and hit a hole in one on
the Lift Tour and he's his swings a little different,
but he smacks it far and straight. So there's there's
really something to be said about genkis Is teaching in
(30:41):
case he goes and takes it and applies his own
strengths to it. Is also a scientist of the game
as well. So yeah, no, top notch and he's definitely
worth it. So what we're saying is come check out
seven too. And then also if you're looking for a lesson,
you gotta get one. My case, he can. He's top notch,
and he uses our track man technology, and you'll be
(31:04):
able to geek out on all the data that he's
able to bring and not just his golfing technique, but
now mix that with all the metrics and you're basically
about is the most informed golfer you'll ever thought you
would be. So yeah, I just well love Casey being
a part of our facility. Um, you can't say enough
good things about him. Awesome. It sounds like seven two
(31:25):
is a one stop shop for all your golf needs.
It is, it is, and I can't wait to go
back you guys. It was amazing having you join us.
It was amazing coming out to seven two. We will
definitely be back out there soon. Uh. It's been an
absolute pleasure getting to know all of you and getting
to play with you and getting to hang out, and
we're just so grateful that we're all in each other's
(31:46):
lives now. Of course, golf is the tie that binds
to builds a community where on social media can they
find you again? On Instagram it's at seven to Golf,
and then on Facebook sp into indoor golf and our TikTok,
which we're also putting more and more stuff on is
SPN two Golf as well. Well, we want to thank
(32:08):
uh Matt Fowler, Brandon Shade, and Cameron Fitzherald. Even though
Brandon is still am I, he's here in spirit. Thank
you Brandon. All right, well, we love you guys, and
we will see you soon and we look forward to
another round at seven to wait. Love you guys. We're
gonna take a break and we'll be back with mulligan's.
(32:30):
All right. M well, that was so much fun. Those
guys are awesome. Ye. Seven to indoor golf is pretty awesome. Yeah,
it's amazing to go back. I can't wait to go back.
You know what we're doing. Yeah, so we say what,
let's do some mulligans. Let's do some mulligans. I have
(32:53):
another gear update. Um, I got some new irons. Oh
you did did? I did too? I know, so everyone listening,
we have a joint mulligan here. We both went into
the tireless T four hundred irons with the Fubuki Graphite
CHAFT fifty five Graham regular flex. I got one. Jess
(33:17):
loved them. So guess who had to get one? Jeff
had to get one. So we have T four hundreds. Um,
I'm still I saw my chipper Um, I did get
like five new putters. Yeah you did. Yeah. Next episode,
we're gonna talk about a tournament that we played in
the Golf Charity Tournament, and I was putting lights out
(33:38):
with my Scotty Cameron Concept X two. I was putting
lights out with my Lab Golf mess either way. I mean,
I'm just saying, like I, you change your putter all
the time, I do not. Um. Also in the in
the heart of title list, we um, there's the TSR
new drivers that just came out that are not out,
but I got to try him at Roger John and
(33:59):
I have a t S I two, which is the
one just before. I don't know the difference, but I
did play with it today. So the new driver is
the t S I to title lists with a graphite design,
stiff shaft Trey d D I six. Um. So, now
I guess I'm a titles guy. I guess we're title
list people. Now you are definitely I'm definitely titles. I
(34:22):
still have my being driver, but my titleists uh irons
are just amazing. I mean I took one shot with
yours when you got them, and it was that was it.
I said, I have to have these can we please
go get them for me? We got them. I got
a brand new set. It was my first brand new
set ever. Right, I had to take off all the plastic.
It came in a beautiful box at each club. It
(34:44):
was incredible. And I gotta tell you, like, what a
difference for my game. I mean, I know you wouldn't
tell by the game I played today, but the last
couple of games that I've played, Uh, we're just insane.
The ball flight that I'm getting out of those irons.
I have never had the type a ball flight and
that that leaves Super Bowls on the greens, super Bowl divots,
(35:07):
and it's so exciting for me to smack one of
these and then watch the ball flight and it's just
the most beautiful arc. And then it comes and it
lands and it does not roll, and it does not move,
It just sticks onto the green. It's it's incredible. They're
so forgiving, They're so wonderful. I I never want another club. So,
just for those of you that are listening to four hundreds,
(35:29):
are is from the title sign there the three hundred
and then the four hundred. The four D is like
a game improvement or even a super game improvement. They're
really big and they're really trying, and they're extremely strong vofted,
Like every club that you have is one lower. So
if it's a nine, it's actually an eight because of
the strong wall. You would think that we shouldn't be
(35:51):
playing those clubs since what we shoot, but they're so
awesome and they are so forgiving that I don't care
how chunky they are. They're amazing and um they're sexy
looking too. So the loss are so strong on them
that it actually takes one of your clubs out of
your bag. We have six through a gap wedge, so
(36:12):
it's six through pitching wedge and approach wedge and a
gap wedge. But as Brian will tell you if you
ever have the chance to play with him, is the
six is actually a five? It is the six is
a five. It's is twenty it's twenty three degrees of laws. Yeah,
so every so it's it's good because not only are
they t four hundreds titless, but you get to go
(36:35):
on the team. You're like, I'm hitting a six iron
when someone is going to hit their five or the four,
but what they don't know it's a six on it.
But it's really extremely strong enough, so it's really a five. Yeah. No,
they're incredible, Thank you so much for my so about that. Um,
they're bucks. Um And just so you know, it's really weird, like, um,
(36:56):
you would think that the that the game improvement or
super game improvement wouldn't be so expensive, but they're the
most expensive, tireless out of the tund line, even more
expensive than I think. It comes down to you get
what you pay for, right, and it's it's really changed
my game. So I think they're incredible. I'm really grateful.
(37:16):
You're incredible. You're incredible. Where can they find us, babe?
They can find us at Balls, the Letter, in Holes, Golf.
We're on all social media platforms. You can find us online.
You can reach us through Instagram, uh, TikTok, all of those. So, Babe,
(37:38):
as always, I love golfing with you. I love you.
Thanks for golfing with me. You're my hero. Balls and Holes.
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