Ep. 337: Render - Dale Brisby - Bear Grease

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
My name is Clay Nukleman. This is a production of
the bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where
we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes
of the actual bear Grease podcast. Presented by f h
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(00:35):
that's designed to be as rugged as the place as
we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease Render. If you're
watching this on YouTube, you would notice that we are
not in the Global Headquarters Dell.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
If you came to Arkansas, you.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Would you would get to see the Global Headquarters slash
Meat Eater South Office.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
So are most of your listeners from Arkansas?

Speaker 4 (01:07):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I wish they were. I wish every one of them was.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
I was about to say, we can talk a little
slower if we need.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, if you if you uh, hey, we're We're ready
to take it. We take it all the time from Texas,
Texas and Arkansas.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Touch yep.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
We talk more smack about Texas probably well, not as
much as a few other states. But so it's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
But the the that's the best thing y'all got going
is the fact that Texa Arcana combines us.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, so you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Texa, Arcana.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well we are in Winnebago, Texas at the Raider Radiated
Ranch podcast studio.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
You've had a hard time saying that, why.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Is that Radiator Ranch? It's a cast studio.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
A tongue twister for you, yeah, a little bit, a
little bit, but man, uh, I have been watching Dale Brisbee.
I'm not gonna say before you were cool, but before
you're you were as cool.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
As you are now.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Okay for real, Okay, uh years ago, like before Netflix,
I remember seeing this wigged.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Cowboy hatted like back in the red Box days.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
The lasses wearing cowboy, and I remember just being like,
I like this guy. And so anyway, so I just
say that to say I've been I've been watching you
for a while, and then when your Netflix.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Series came out, I was really excited for you.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
But tell me about I paused. I thought I thought
you were about to jump in there though.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Well, I was just gonna I was just gonna speculate
on why you liked it so much. Well you could.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
It's called How to Be a Cowboy.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
And so that gave you you were like, oh, finally
something I could study, Yes, learn how to be a
cowboy and from the world's greatest bull rider yep, and
the most humbled Dale Brisbee.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yep, that's right.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
So anyhow, what were we gonna ask?

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Well, so did you grow up in Texas?

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Well? Dale, Yeah, I was born in Lubbock, lived in
Snyder for a minute, moved to Memphis, spent probably ten
years around College Station area, and then now I live
here in Winnebago.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
So okay, so everybody everybody knows you as Dale Brisbee,
which is who you are.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
So who am I talking to right now?

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Am I talking to Dale Brisbee? Dale Brisbee?

Speaker 1 (03:43):
So you you actually went to school and in College Station?

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I mean I lived there?

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I went.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
I was spent some time on campus, did you did
you hanging out with some of the chicks, and then
the teachers would realize I'm not enrolled and that I
really just live in a college town in Rodeo. So
I got rid to go to college.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Did you go to college?

Speaker 3 (04:08):
I spent a lot of time on that campus.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yes, but you didn't.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
You didn't graduate.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Was I enrolled?

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Maybe not?

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Okay, but I had a lot of good times, A
lot of good times.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Now, now this is a great slap to Texas.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
What school is there, Texas A and M baby A
and M.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Okay, yeah it's Texas AM. Texas A and M in
the Southeast Conference now SEC SEC.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Thank you very much to Johnny Football.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah that helped well. So how long have you lived
where you live now?

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Ten years?

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Ten years?

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yep? And uh?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
And you you have legitimate roots in rodeo, yes, like like,
give me, give me a little give me like a chronology,
and like what was it like growing up? What do
your parents do? Give me a little chronology of Dale Brisbee?

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Uh? Yeah, so my uh, my old man kind of
did all of it in rodeo. And he would ride bareback.
He was a bullfighter, pickup man. He rode bulls, he
rode bronx. He I don't know how much he team roped,
but I saw him at some jackpots and it seemed

(05:24):
like he was handy at team roping. I never saw
him tie cavs, but he knew it, seemed to know
a lot about it. He was just all things rodeo.
When he was fourteen, he showed up at a rodeo
in Lubbock and just went to the d riggingshoot and
started working for Charlie Thompson se Bart Rodeo and eventually

(05:46):
started picking up. He might have been younger than that,
like maybe twelve or thirteen. I think by the time
he was fourteen he was picking up and uh yeah,
he just loved he's he is the most passionate man
about rodeo that I've ever met, and so I feel
like I'm not too far behind him.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
But regardless, I grew up.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
With a dad that did all of it and he
did not see it coming. Just how good at bull
riding I would be and that is just the world's greatest.
And at nine years old, I actually invented riding bulls
with one hand, so for that they rode with two hands. Really,
and I just yeah, it was just a little too
easy for me, but I got to you came.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
You came by your love and passion for rodeo. Honestly,
I mean like family, that's not correct.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Yeah, yeah, Like I remember, he could drive the truck too,
so like I just some I loved getting in the
truck with him, you know, with the trailer load of
stock and going down the road to a rodeo like
it to me, that's when I really felt like I
was living the dream and yeah, I remember mn. I

(07:01):
don't know why I'm remembering some of these random memories
I hadn't thought about in a long time. I guess
just the way I described my dad just now kind
of taking me back regardless, Yeah, watching him and so
I did dabble in multiple events, and I really enjoyed
pretty much anything on the roughstock end. To be honest,

(07:21):
I kind of looking back, I wished I hadn't because
it would have made me just a better cowboy. But
I kind of even shot away from timed event stuff,
specifically team roping. It's not that I regret not calf roping,
but I wished I would have team roped a little more,
been a little more handy with a rope. I guess, well,
it would have made me at least a better cowboy,

(07:43):
because I have always appreciated the ranching side of cowboy
in and it does involve a rope, and so, like,
I don't know, there's just been times in my life
where I found myself around team ropers and I probably
could have taken some really good instruction for him. But
on the flip side of that, I did focus on
the end of the arena that I wanted to be on,

(08:04):
and so that was.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
A russtock yes, russtock side.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Yeah. So let me back up and explain to the
viewers the two ends, like, we're kind of segregated in rodeo,
and it's mainly because of just the way the arena
is set up. One end is your timed events, which
is team roping, steer wrestling, calf roping, barrel racing, and
they go one at a time and they time them.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
It's a race, but you go one at a time.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
And then on the other end of the arena because
of how much you know the way the stock flow
at a rodeo, you have your rough stock, which is
bare back riding, sadur bronk riding, bull riding, and then
the other two jobs to do down there would be
bullfighting and a pickup man.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
The bullfighter's job is to distract the bull.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
When the bull rider comes off, and then the pickup
man's job is to help the bucking horse riders off
of their animal at the end.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Of the eight second ride. Five jobs you can do
down there.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Three of them are competition, two of them are hired,
and so that's those five things are what I enjoyed
doing the most, you know, right around high school and
then college and thereafter. So that's just where that's where
my dad spent most of his time. And we talked
about a little last night. There's there's something about the

(09:24):
fight with an animal and the fight being like you're
trying to ride him, he's trying to buck you off. Yeah,
but there's a certain set of fundamentals in each of
the events that you have to implement to ride him
for eight seconds or make it around the bull that's

(09:45):
trying to hook you as a bullfighter, and all those
fundamentals are counterintuitive. Your intuition is going to tell you
in the bull riding that bull is going to come
up in the front end and his head's going to
come back, and then he jumps in the air and
he switches and his friend end hits the ground while
his back end kicks, and so like if you've never
been on a ball before, your intuition, as he jumps

(10:06):
that head's.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Coming near you, you're gonna want to like lean back, m.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Well, then it's like a sling shot because his next
move he's gonna kick, and if you're leaning back, well,
he just slams you forward and you actually your teeth
hit hit the top of his head. So as he
jumps forward, you've got to counterbalance that and jump forward
with him and literally drive out over the top of
his head. We call it, to make it simple, going

(10:32):
to the front, going to the front, But your intuition
says no, get away from the front.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
So when he goes down, you go to the front.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
So if you if your fear overrides your logic of
what the fundamentals are, then you're gonna you're gonna get
bucked off.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, that's essentially that's what I'm trying to explain.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, so in that moment, I'm not saying nobody has
fear ever, but same thing in the broncrodon we talked
about it. You have to lift on your bronchrane and
keep your shoulders behind your hips. Well, your intuition if
a horse is a start bucking is you want to
sit up and you want to pull. Well, that'll get
you bucked off. So the fundamentals to be successful are counterintuitive. Yeah,

(11:15):
and so you make a decision in the shoot of
if you let your fear take over, you will not succeed.
But if you can control your emotions and execute the fundamentals.
That's how you're successful.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, it's such, it's such a it's like a primitive
that's the fight I'm talking about, the internal fight, Yeah,
of not being a sissy in that moment. Yeah, I think,
what what's so cool about about roughstock riding? Which I've
observed from afar, but but just a tinge of it

(11:49):
in riding mules that all that I'll connect is that
this it's it's such a primitive, simple fear. Like I
think so many of the fears that people have today
are are complex and and and not a fear of
you're about to get slammed into the dirt or kicked,
which would be kind of like a primitive human fear

(12:11):
be hurt by an animal, you know, right, But it's
the same. That's the same fear that people have when
their finances get out of control or when they're they
have a child that you know, goes astray. I mean,
like fear is this is this throbbed inside of a human.
And I like to look at stuff and think about

(12:31):
how does you know, like what's the significance of riding
a bull for eight seconds? Or in my case, for
what I do a lot in my life. Is like,
what's the significance of taking an animal in a certain
way and extrapolating that out into life and finding places
where you're you're like a better person because you've done

(12:52):
this thing and you've mastered this internal discipline.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
And that That's what I saw today. So we we
buck some horses.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I was in the arena on my mule and Holy
col and I've seen I've been to rodeos, but something
about being out there in the arena close, seeing the
power of those horses and then watching these guys. I
was watching your interns before they got on, and I
was quizzing them. I was like, hey, man, are you

(13:21):
are you kind of nerved up? Are you scared? You know,
just like question them and they were, you know, they
gave me several good answers about how they were calming
their fear. Donnie over here, he was slapping his face
before he got on that thing. But it's not it's
not like I mean, I think people could look at
some stuff like that and think it's just like this macho,

(13:42):
you know, exercise, But.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
I don't view it like that at all.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I view it like an internal discipline that I can
respect that somebody could get on there because it's and
here's where it ties into mules. I I got into
mules and ecuon animals as an adult, like I grew
up and some horses in rural Arkansas, but was never
we didn't have we didn't have stock. And part of

(14:06):
the reason I got into it, honestly, was because they
intimidated me, and I was interested in in. I've always
been interested in anything that really intimidated me and me
trying to go.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Yes, sir, touch it.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
And then I just I love mules, wanting them for hunting.
But man, when I first got into it, every moment
of every ride, I was thinking what am I going
to do if something goes wrong? And I got bucked
off a few and had that feeling of just complete
loss of control. You know that just scares the fire
out of you. Nothing like what these boys handled today

(14:43):
on these bronks. But I see it, you know, And
that's what's cool about Oh there's about russ stock. There's risk.
You know, it's a risk before and then if everything
goes well afterwards, looking back in retrospect, it was an opportunity.
But but if it goes poorly. Well, then it was a

(15:03):
risk that you shouldn't, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Then it's it's easy to and that's in life too,
even with finances, you know, like if the business fails,
you know, you're when you are walking up to something,
it's a risk. If you succeed at it, looking back,
it was an opportunity. So there's a moment in there
whenever you are in the buck and shoot where the
stakes are high, of you know, with rodeo, like we

(15:27):
talked about it last night. I've not witnessed anyone anyone's
life come to an end and in any arena, but
I know people who have. Now none of them were
close friends, but like I'm familiar with this bull rider
that it happened to. And so the seven degrees of
Kevin Bacon is not seven degrees away for us on
that front. So when you crawl down in the buck

(15:49):
and shoot, like any Bronc or bull rider would be
lying if they would if they said it never cross
their mind. Yeah, that could be their last ride regardless,
Like you know, the risks you're taking, the stakes are high,
and they're not as high for as you know, maybe
like somebody who's serving in the military, but they're still

(16:13):
pretty high compared to just your every day I'm going
to go to the mall and go shopping, and so
that's what I'm talking about. When you're able to overcome
the fear of what could happen and then you execute
these fundamentals at a high level and you succeed, making
a good bronc cry just kind of encompasses. It's like

(16:37):
everything good about being a cowboy just floods through your
veins for the eight seconds during in about thirty minutes after,
sometimes longer, and it's almost like you get a glimpse
of like everything that makes being a cowboy cool. It
just flashes before your eyes during and after that ride

(16:59):
when it goes well, yeah, man. And so I don't know,
it's because it is hard to explain to somebody who
has no idea about the sport, like why would you
get on this animal? And even for the for the
first you know, I just wanted to be just like
my dad. And so for the first, you know, fifty
or one hundred bronks I got on, I didn't know
why I was doing it either, but I knew because

(17:20):
it's scared the crap out of me. Bulls legitimately did
not scare me really as much like there were times
maybe certain bulls, but broncs that scared me because they're
higher off the ground, they're going fast yep, and it's
just different and so but it just it was deep
down in me, and I was like, I have to

(17:40):
conquer this fear that I have.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
When you think a guy like JB. Mooney, does he
have fear?

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Well, there's times where JB has been on enough and
he's been down the road enough that I mean he's
seen it all. He probably has witnessed you know somebody.
I mean like he's he went to fifteen PBR World finals.
But what you described where that little feeling inside of
you like he understands Bushwhacker is the I mean the

(18:09):
bull bucked him off a dozen times before he wrote
it the thirteenth.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
We got to give a little bit of context.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
So JB. Mooney is the most winning bull rid of
all time, good friend of yours.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, I would say he's the second.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Greatest bull rider of all time, right behind myself, right
right right, Yeah, exactly, the.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Second greatest Yep. I mean so too, he's in the reference. Yeah,
he's pretty good. He seems like he's pretty good. Yeah,
so he and our best friends. By the way, well
I've calculated that.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
On top of there.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, man, somebody like JB, it would it would be
but yeah, cool to do some type of physical and
psychoanalysis on him. I have a feeling that he is
in the same tier of human as like an Alex Honold.
You know Alex Honold is he's he's the free climber,
He's the guy that climbs all the stuff. Put him

(19:01):
in the same creak of nature. Yeah, Alex Hall. I've
heard people say that that whatever chemical drops into a
human's body when they should be experiencing fear, I mean,
fear is the thing that's designed to protect us.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
I wouldn't say that just maybe I don't know much
about the guy you're describing, but just like my observation
of JB, like, I wouldn't say that that he's just
got completely absent of fear, because, I mean, we've seen it.
We've ever We've all seen people at least get hurt
very badly parted out of the arena, and it's happened

(19:39):
to any if you've ever entered a rodeo, somebody right
before you has gotten hurt so bad the ambulance had
to come in and put at least once, and now
you're about to get on there's you would have to
be insane, like literally something mentally wrong with you to
just to to.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Not send some fear there to.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Not at least logic think that that could potentially happen
to you.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
But that's what courage is.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
It's not just like an absence of the fear, it's
just how you respond to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
mean he even said on my podcast he was relieved
when they retired Bushwhacker, who you know, had been bucked
off however many in a row.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
So Bushwhacker is a is a bucking bull, was.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
The greatest bucking bull of all time arguably, And JB's
the only guy that ever wrote him.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, they say another guy wrote him when he was
two or three?

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Was it you? I had no cameras on when I
wrote him. There's a picture in the back of me
riding him, and I'll show that to you. But regardless, JB.
So there's a there's a moment in the PVR when
you do you are able to pick your bull, and
a lot of guys might pick a ball depending on
their ability and this like this bull fits me whatever, Well,

(20:50):
he would always just try to pick the rankers bull
in the pen.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
And on my part, like he talks about, it's like, well,
why do you do that?

Speaker 4 (20:58):
He said, because nobody remembers eighty five point bull rides,
which is an interesting quote because yep, most bull riders
be like, man, I'd love to have an average score
of eighty five, but that's not what he's going for. Yeah,
probably like your man, Alex, like he's not just trying
to be average, you know, regardless, So he finally he
picks bushwasher Bushwhacker again and again. He bucks him off

(21:21):
again and again, which is only reciquential.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
For his career too, because I mean, this man's a
professional bull rider trying to win money. Yeah, if this
bull's bent is bucked off twelve of twelve of the
last rides, it's like not not something he necessarily it
would have been better.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, they weren't all right in a row, you know.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
But the point is is like this particular one, yes, yeah,
the last previous whatever, I can't remember how many times
you know, his the one out of thirteen, y road,
it may not have been the thirteenth time he got
on him. I don't remember that part, but regardless, my
point is he does finally ride him. He's ninety four
and a quarter and well, when the time comes for
them to retire to the bulls, like, dang, were he sad? Like, no,

(22:02):
I didn't have to keep picking that bastard, you know,
is what he said. Well, the point is is like
he understands that, you know, he's glad he finally slayed
that dragon, but it's a it's a mutual respect that
he has for the bull. I would say, that's a
good way to put it. He respects those animals. He
always knew that they could, you know, cause damage, but
which to me is even more noble. You know, Yeah,

(22:25):
somebody who's completely oblivious to what an animal can do.
It's like, oh man, you may not be brave, you
just don't understand what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, how good is this? H is this new kid
from Brazil?

Speaker 3 (22:47):
John Krimmer?

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I think so, yeah, yeah, I've seen.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
There's a bunch of them that he was actually born here.
But yeah, so he spends time, he spends time at JB's.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
John the guy that just won something really big that
my out of do you know what I'm talking?

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (23:01):
No, who won the world Jose did?

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
I mean he's world cham Yeah, he's literally the best
right now. Yeah, he's the best right now.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, he's got the gold buckle on yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, not as big as your buckle th Odell?

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Right, yes, thank you, Hey that argue, I did see it.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, what is that the Boon and.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Crockett official measure This is the twenty ninth recording period.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
So does that mean that you had the you had
the biggest measured Boon and Crockett animal, or you were
actually the measurer like you had the tape.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
I'm the measure mmm.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
Yeah. So that's like in a rodeo, like you're not
the best bull rider, you're the best exactly.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
It would be like we don't give buckles to the judges.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
This is a good point, But the equation that I
was trying to bring to your buckle is that they
don't just give these buckles out.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
To everybody, right, yeah, same as mine or off eBay.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Can't find them on craigslist.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
And if you have any big deer antlers or anything
you like scored, I could do that for you.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
But that's another story.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Deal.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
No, I'm fascinated by uh. I'm fascinated by by people
that are the best in the world of anything, well,
like you and JB. I'm also fascinated by guys that
have to overcome like they're that what makes them good
at what they do is overcoming fear, which is not everything.

(24:36):
Like there's lots of stuff that you could be the
best in the world and not have to confront this
like very primitive fear of getting bucked and hurt by
an animal.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
I think that's cool.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
The other thing, when you're talking about like having friends
getting hurt, like you know, lots of.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
People that have got hurt.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Uh, and even people that have died, you know, rock
climbers are like that.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
I'm not a rock climber. I know more about rodeo
than I do rock climbing.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
And uh, but I was like, these these guys that
are free climbing and stuff, like they're all in arms
reach away in relationship to people that have have died,
and I feel like there's some similarities in this kind
of stuff, you know.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
But yeah, yeah, I mean to be honest, the rock
climbing thing, I would be as confused about when the
outside are looking in. If I didn't have the context
I had with Rodeo, then I would just say, like, man,
that was the dumbest thing ever. But I know that
they would probably think the same thing about somebody.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
I think there's similarities because I think it's people inside
of their the context of their world, going to the extremes.
I mean, like most people when they see a horse,
they want the gentle one, right, that's the goal of
training is to get on the gentle one. Rodeo picks
the extreme. Let's find the rankest horse, the rankest bull,
get on it and see if we can stay on

(25:59):
it and vibe. You know, it's the extreme. And uh yeah,
the rock climbing stuff is the same. It's like most
of the time when people see a sheer rock granite face,
they're like, we're going to go around that mountain. They're not,
They're not wanting to go over it. But yeah, there's
some there's some similarities there.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yes, sir, for sure, there's yeah, And there's all kinds
of of I mean even just football, you know, like
for a running back to he's got you know, when
he sees that seam, he's got to cut through it
regardless of who's coming from what direction.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
With a wide receiver cutting across.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
The middle of the field, you know, if running a
slant like he knows, he could get his clock cleaned.
But there's that might be in that scenario, the route
for the quickest touchdown. And so there's all kinds of
professional athletes, typically in sports and that that you know,
have this impending doom in front of them, but they

(26:54):
move forward anyway. And and and it happens in life
as well, you know, like you said, with finances. But
it's interesting to me, like UFC fighters, like Cowboy, Yeah,
we brought that up last night.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Like Cowboy, I think that bull riding probably rock climb.
I don't know about rock climbing, but I know they were.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Brought rock climbing up one time on this podcast. Bull riding,
you get the wrong idea about me.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Bull riders and UFC or people that want to fight professionally,
I think are probably very similar in that there's a
lot of people that like to have ridden a bull.
There's a lot of people that like the idea of
being called a bull rider. Yeah, and what people will
think of them when they get to tell that story
or show that picture or show that video.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yes, and I think that's probably similar with fighting.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
There's a lot of people that would like to be
revered as this bad a fighter, whether it be professionally
or in the streets or whatever.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
They want to be feared, you know.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
And then you have these people like my buddy cowboy Seroni,
who I mean, don't get me wrong, he might enjoy
the fact that someone thinks he's a badass, but more importantly,
he likes to actually fight. It's less about telling the story,
which he does very little of, and it's more about
no the moment to start the fight starts. I mean,

(28:23):
he put it like if you walked into a gas
station and there's two people maybe robbing the place, like
it's literally a nightmare for anyone, But if he walked
into that, it's a dream come true for him, Like
if he now had like those are his words, he
gets to fight two people, and that to him is

(28:45):
the real fight. Is kind retired at forty eight professional
bouts in the UFC, but he wants to get to
a fifty, so he's coming back and he's gonna fight
more fights forty two now, I think forty two, but
My point is is, like I asked him, want to

(29:06):
some people that love it? He loves the actual fight. Yeah,
he's not just somebody who and I would I would
venture to guess if you're in the UFC, you probably
love the actual fight. They've probably made it that far.
Same thing with guys at the NFR. They love the
actual bull ride. They're not just trying to like get
a cool picture for the GRAM so that everyone will
think they're a bull rider.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
But that's that's what that's somebody who makes it.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
That's somebody like your man Alex, who probably made it
is a really good rock climber. It's like, you love
the actual thing. You know, no cameras, no audience, no crowd,
no music. You want to be it's you against the bull,
it's you against the Bronx.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Open the gate. I want to try to conquer this.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
And that's that's Dale, and that's Dale, and that's you know, cowboy.
It's just like, no nobody's watching me, and you go
outside and we fight right now. You know.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Here's here's what I like about rodeo and hunting that
I think are similar in all the games of modern
time that men play for recreation And I'm using the
term recreation lightly because if you told me that I
was a recreational hunter, I would be like, I don't
think so, I don't.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I think it's deeper than that.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
But let's just say of all the things that people do,
like rodeo, hunting, mma, whatever, football, sports, golf, Like if
all those things, I like that rodeo has a functionality
that's connected to something real.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Right, like ranching.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's clear that rodeo came from
correct true to boys people around cattle that were we were.
That's cool because you really can't say that with football
or baseball, and certainly.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Not golf, Like why are we doing this? Well, exactly,
we just kind of came up with it.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
You know golf do you I don't? Okay?

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Well, and then but then hunting is the same way.
I mean, hunting is even.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
You know, more primitive.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
It's the reason we do function to it like hyper function.
I mean, like this is something that humans have done
since the beginning, and we're providing meat for our families, and.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
So it's og way to eat. Absolutely before uber eats,
there was a bow and arrow.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
That's right, that's right, or an adelel dart or a
spear something.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah. No, So I've always appreciated that about rodeo is
that you could you could consciously connect where it came from,
Like cowboys made up this sport.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Yes, sir, to be able to rope, to be able to.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Ride a bronc, because you know, broncridin would have started
with people trying to break horses to ride, you know,
I mean, I think that's cool. I like to think
about the foundations of stuff and where it came from,
you know, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Mean that's I mean I kind of touched on it.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
But like in all my time in a practice pin
with getting on bulls and broncs while they were practicing
team rope, and I wish I'd have even paid more
attention over there because it would have made me a
better cowboy on the ranch.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
But anyway, do you think do you think that the
modern surge and popularity of Western culture.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Is because of me?

Speaker 4 (32:12):
It is because of you? Yes?

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Do you think Taylor Sheridan made Yellowstone because of you?

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Because he was watching my videos? Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (32:21):
I figured he did.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Are you talking about? I mean, I was in Yellowstone.
You don't even know that.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Dang, are you serious?

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yes? Season five?

Speaker 4 (32:31):
What you do?

Speaker 3 (32:32):
I was ranching?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Did you have it like a talking part with Rip?
Did you really miss part?

Speaker 3 (32:39):
But no, I didn't. I didn't have a talking part.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
But where you are?

Speaker 4 (32:42):
You are you?

Speaker 3 (32:43):
I was in it?

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Serious?

Speaker 3 (32:44):
You never know what I'm telling truth to you?

Speaker 2 (32:46):
I cannot tell.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Look at me, Look at me.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
I'm come about to tell you something. I've killed fourteen
boone crocket deer with my bow.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Well you gotta you can't tell.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
You couldn't tell.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I have only killed thirteen.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Mmm.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Why did any of my producers tell me that he
had been on Yellowstone?

Speaker 4 (33:05):
No?

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I actually heard a podcast, an old podcast with you
on it where somebody called it out and said you
should be on Yellowstone and then it happened.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
So the Jimmy goes down to the sixes to ranch
and I was there.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
My buddy True was the.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Wagon boss, and this is in the movie.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
I was there.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Well, they we were actually working that day, and it's
not like we didn't know the cameras were going to
be there. But I'm just saying like we were actually
weaning that pasture of calves, and they didn't just fabricate
work it was. It was a real thing. And that's
one thing Taylor was angling for the with the entire
show was as much authenticity as possible while also maintaining

(33:55):
the storyline. But regardless, we're there working, and so the
film crew actually had no idea who I was. Taylor
didn't know I was gonna be there. I mean, he
knows that our day worked there sometimes and he owns
the ranch and he and I have met a few times.
But regardless, like the people filming, like, they didn't know

(34:17):
Dale from Adam.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
So I was in it.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
And then later I saw Taylor and he was like, man,
your fans loved that you were in Yellowstone and we
were supposed to he said. He was like, we need
to get you back and have give you a speaking part.
But then the show kind of wrapped up a few
seasons later and we just never made it happen. But no,
I'm a big fan of Taylor's and what they do

(34:42):
with the Sixes, and he you know, are you familiar
with the Sixes? No, So it's a big ranch here
in Texas. Okay, they talk about it in the show. Okay,
probably I would say the most well known ranch in
the country. It's somewhere between the Force and the King Ranch,
which you're probably familiar with the King.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
They're they're hunting. They do a lot of hunting down there.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
Uh, and they also you know, it's I think it's
the largest ranch at least in Texas, maybe the whole country.
But regardless, the four sixes is well, Taylor bought it
and that's why it's in the show a lot.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Okay, but they have they now sell beef straight to
its interesting Yellowstone beef. I mean four six is beef.
Four six is beef, which is well, do you do
you think that? But it was just which first the
craze in Western culture, and I mean, and I realized

(35:41):
it's like long been in America.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
This is like an American thing.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
But am I right and saying there's been like a
surge in the last decade appetite for Western I.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Think the interest has always been there in like what
sparked a nostalgia for you, like people the romance of
like being a cowboy. Yeah, that's I mean, there's there's
people that lived in the city watching Roy Rogers when
they were a kid that wanted to be a cowboy.
You know, like kids dressing up as cowboys for Halloween

(36:14):
has been happening since Halloween was invented, and so like
desire for people to be a cowboy has been there
a long time. Chrystal Duo has a song you just
can't see him from the road, and essentially what he's
saying is like, cowboys exist, you just can't see us
from the road when you're cutting across the country in
your car to the next city. Well, in my experience,

(36:38):
the Internet has now shown people what's out here, and
so whenever they were a production company came to me
about what kind of show we should make for Netflix.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
I had been making videos for years at.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
The time, and about twenty or thirty times a day
I would get a message that either said how do
I get started ranching?

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Or how do I get started rodeoing?

Speaker 4 (37:05):
And that's what my internship program was built on, those
people that want to learn to rodeo, because I can
help a guy get started riding bulls or bronks, and
they're able to work for my apparel company alongside that,
you know, while they're learning. Regardless, I get these dms
all the time, how do I get started ranching? Because
they don't know they're watching the Western movies. They're watching

(37:28):
all this stuff just before even before Yellowstone. They're interested
in it, but they don't know how to get started.
They live in you know, they work on a chicken
farm in Maryland. And anyways, so I told the production team.
I was like, well, let's call it how to be
a Cowboy? How to be a Cowboy, because like we'll

(37:48):
just teach people because that's the question I get all
the time. And so that's what our Netflix show was
based on. With that in mind, Like I would have
conversations with people because when I first started Rodeo and
everybody talking about, man, this is a dying sport. This
is like we got to save the you know, like
this they're a dying breed, and like I disagree completely. Yeah,

(38:09):
there is so much interest in our industry. Yeah, and
I see because the moment I got Instagram and Facebook
and people are able to message me, It's just like
Rando's from all over the world are just like, man,
do you take interns from Switzerland? Can I come over
there from Europe? Can I whatever? Like it's just like

(38:32):
people South Africa, like all kinds of like there's those
two are Canadians right there, like all over the world
people are interested in this genre.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
You've made it so accessible.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
And I think that shows like Yellowstone do they help absolutely,
But there's a romance and a lure and just a
nostalgia to what we do out here that people can't deny.
Like there's just what we did today, Like you gathered
cows with us, then we buck some horses. Like people

(39:04):
don't get to do that. Yeah, Like that's not that's
not a normal thing that a person sees every day.
Like maybe they saw somebody walk a dog maybe, yeah,
on their drive to work. Yeah, And uh.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
So I think that the future of our industry is growth.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
So my buddy Steve Ranella, he lives in bos of Montana.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Never heard of her, and.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
So he he it's like the cowboy it's like the
cowboy capital of you know, that part of the world.
And uh and this question revolves around people that really
aren't cowboys wanting to be cowboys and dressing and acting
like cowboys. So he he believes that if you wear

(39:58):
any type of Western booter, you've at least got to
be live a livestock adjacent lifestyle. And so he kind
of he kind of like, you know, like today. I
didn't wear a cowboy hat on purpose when I rode
with you, because it's like I didn't want to. I
didn't want to be a poser.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
But somehow you still managed to appear as one.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Well exactly, But I guess I guess. What I'm saying
is people inside the cowboy industry love it when new
people come in.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
Is that right for sure?

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (40:36):
I mean when you see a guy walking down the road.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Had you warn a cowboy hat today, it would not
have made me man. Yeah, well I would like that. Now.
I am the expert on all things cowboy, and that's
why I've created a guide to whether you is or
you ain't one, and I call it you ain't no cowboy? Yeah,
And so like I am, I can't get very specific

(40:59):
with you know. You know, if you ride a mule,
you ain't no cowboy.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
If you you know, oh dang, you were on mule
to day.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Hey, listen, no, that was just you don't realize how
congruent we are on our doctrine. Like, I'm not a cowboy.
I'm a mule skinner, okay, And that's the reason I
wear a I don't think I am either, That's right,
that's right. That's the reason I felt hat like Daniel
Boone did, like like God fear and men did.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
But seriously though, yeah, I now there is like it
just depends on the context of a word. Like C. S.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Lewis talks about the word a gentleman.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Well, like when the word was first created, it meant that,
I mean, I can't remember exactly, but it meant that
you were of a certain age and you you might
have owned property. And it was like a black and
white list of like this is what made you a gentleman.
But eventually the change language, it turned into a compliment

(42:02):
and they're like, man, he's a gentleman. Well, no, he
either is or he isn't. It's kind of like are
you from Texas or are you from Arkansas? It's like
you either are you aren't it's not. And it's like, man,
he's a Texan. You see, like how you can use
the word twice. It's like, are you from Texas or Arkansas? Okay,
he's the Texan, he's the Arkansawian or whatever y'all call yourselves.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
But regardless, ar Kansas, ar Kansas.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
It's even worse, we say, but Akron, Akron regardless, the
same thing has happened with the word cowboy, So like,
I gotcha, you see.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
What I'm saying, Like people mean something different probably than people.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Well, it just depends on what context you're using it.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Is he a cowboy? Well, I don't know. Is how
does he make his living?

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Well, he's he's a CPA and he goes to well, okay,
for sake of conversation, if you're asking what his trade is, No,
he's not a cowboy. Yeah, but is it ok for
him to you know, wear a cowboy hat and boots
and go to the Fort Worth Stockyards on the weekend

(43:08):
to watch a rodeo? Absolutely? Yea. Is it okay for
him to want to be a cowboy? Absolutely? Does that
mean you.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Know, I just he can if he calls himself a cowboy.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
It's not gonna you know, gotcha tells me this is
kind of like it just depends on.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
How you use the words.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Like, I'm not offended if that same person who's a
CPA in Fort Worth wants to come out here and
learn to ride a horse, like that's absolutely great.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
It just depends on in what context you're asking the question.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Like I think I'm hyper sensitive just based on my
upbringing of being being a phony like hyper sensitive. Yeah,
like to the point that I'll push the push it
the other way.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Well, I don't want to come.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
I don't and I mean I think they would go
right back to my dad, my upbringing of just trying
to be who you were, and.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
I've got I've got friends in my head, in my
head that like are just top hands.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Okay, well are they more cowboy than me?

Speaker 4 (44:06):
All right? Well, now we're using the word differently than
just by black and white definition, Yeah, because it's like
do you make your living with a horse and a
rope and cows? And then beyond that, like, okay, how
much of a cowboy are are?

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Are they than this person?

Speaker 4 (44:22):
All right? Well, now it's more of just like the
way the word gentleman has been turned around.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I really do need a good straw hat. I've got
a straw hat. It's old.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
I need.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I know, it's junior time straw hat.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
It's June in Texas to switch.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
From felt to straw, but it's also it.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Was sixty seven degrees I had on a vest.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
It's June fourth. That's crazy crazy for Texas.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt so do you do much hunting, dew.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
I love to hunt. Yeah, I don't get to do
as much as I used to.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Always. I mean, like we just hunt pigs a lot
down here, Like since I was a kid. We probably
couldn't go to a party in high school on a weeknight,
school night, but we could stay out as late as
we want if we were hunting pigs. I don't know,
like we would just forget it was got light and

(45:16):
just sorry, dad, I can't get in until one thirty.
It's like we're killing but we.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Got seven pigs or something like that, you know, I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
That was in a little bit of deer hunting growing up,
and then more as I got older. And now every
year I go on an archery l hunt. Okay, I
whish I gotta specify archery because if you don't shooting
elk with a bow, then you ain't no cowboy. Yeah.
And then I'll also go noodling with my ex girlfriend,

(45:44):
ex Hannah Buron. Yeah, we've worked it out and she
guides a noodle trip for me every year.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah, Donnie and I.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Go right right, Okay, what's up. I'm gonna steer away
from that one.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Yeah, there's a lot of drama.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Don't worry, it's implicated.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
It's huge drama.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, I see you where in that well, me and
her dad are still like muddy water best friends, and
so you know, don't throw the baby out with the
bath water, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (46:10):
I hear you, Man, I actually don't know what that
saying means. So everybody says it. I don't understand it.
Understand well, I understand the baby got the bath last
and now the bath water's dirty, but I just don't
get the scenario of like how it connects to where
the anyway.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
But we can move on.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
We'll talk after noodling. I explain country.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Those are my two main trips. What's up?

Speaker 1 (46:35):
What would be like a top shelf hunt? And let
me ask you this, do you think that you've had
have had enough exposure to hunting that you would really
be able to know exactly what you like to do? Uh?
It'd kind of be like me being exposed to rodeo

(46:55):
and saying, Clay, what would you like to do?

Speaker 4 (46:57):
And I'd be like, man, I.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Guess I'd like the bull ride because that's just seen flashy,
like elk hunting is like the bull riding of the
hunting because there's nuance. There's like, for sure squirrel hunting
on mules. Man, it's like top shelf. I mean, I've
done a lot of cool stuff and there's some like
little bitty kind of little crevices in the hunting space.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
Yeah, Like fun Cowboy found ourselves out in Utah between
two sponsor events and we were just sitting around and
these guys wanted to go caut and I wound up
in a pick up with some guys coyte hunting at
two in the morning, and I'd rather eat glass, Like
I was so like I wanted to go to like
I don't care about those coyotes and they're falling and
I'm like I want to take me a little melotonin

(47:40):
and go to sleep right now. And so there's certain
trips where like I guess I do know like yes
and no, I don't want to do this or that
kind of how I feel about like helicopter hog hunts,
Like yeah, depending on who the pilot is, Like there's
a it's just like I don't know, like if they've
like fought in war, you're all in. Like I was like,
all right, I'm I get a helicopter with you, but

(48:01):
the steaks aren't. It's just like to do what kill
some hogs? Like, I don't know, let's ride around in
a canyon plug. But there's also like I probably I
don't know that i'd go on a rifle elk hunt.
I don't know that I'd really like to get a
super nice, uh white tail one day. Yeah, that'd be cool. Ye,

(48:25):
moose hunts intrigued me, that'd be cool. I would do
a I would do a white tail or a moose
with a rifle. Okay, that doesn't bust me.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Listen, I potentially have access to some incredible moose hunting,
not every year, about one year out of every maybe five.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
We keep our word around, right Garrett.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Maybe, so, dude, you need to come with me to
Alaska on a ridge hunt.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Oh in Alaska, I was thinking more like a canned hunt. Well,
do you have like some high fence moose somewhere?

Speaker 2 (48:55):
There's high fence moose in Texas?

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Okay? Good?

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Where are those at all? Over Texas? But oh, I
bet you're people with hate that I just said that.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Oh that's like, that's like, what would that be equivalent
to in the rodeo world?

Speaker 2 (49:07):
A high fence it's it's there somewhere.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
But I don't it doesn't bother me.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
We could talk about high fence. We could do that.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Yeah, no, I'm joking.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
I would if I was gonna hunt a moose, I
would like to go to I'd rather do it.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
I mean, you don't have to do it with me.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
But sidebar, I don't care if it's a high fence.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Like once you get over so many acres, hunting is
hunting this summer and then somebody's just trying to like
control some genetics. More power to them personally, but.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
It's just spoken like a true text.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Del Brisbee hot take like a true Texan.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
What about Barry? Have you ever thought about bear?

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Maybe? Maybe?

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Yeah, with a knife.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Whatever man man, Yeah, well cool, that's cool. What uh
you are? I probably didn't really introduce you that well
at the beginning of this gonna start over.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Yeah, just x that.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Let's just do the skin all.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Right, one more time from the top people.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Nodll You're. What I've always appreciated about you, I said
that I've been watching you for a long time, is.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
That you're really good at being.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Authentic inside of your space, like you're you're you're you're
real cowboy, but you are.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
You're an incredible.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Marketer, which that that could be like a slap in
the face, Like that's like saying you're a good used
car salesman.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
That's not what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
Now, you're really good.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
This is coming around to be something nice to say
where we're here we go is that you're incredible.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
About the high fence comment.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
You're incredible about.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
You're good at these catchphrases, all these phrases and things
that you say.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
It's just put all the shirt balls out of my mouth,
like I just can't help it.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, so give me, give us a tour, because they're
gonna be some people here that you know, have not
been exposed. Probably very few, but I would say the
most common one that get is old son. Now, did
you make that?

Speaker 4 (51:10):
No? You didn't this I did? No, you didn't.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Hey, it's well just pressing you. Sometimes stuff needs scrutiny.
I believe you. I just wondered if you actually did Oh,
old son, old son? Now, I mean, did you not
hear your grandpa say that or something? Oh daddy said
it to your dad? Daddy, I'm talking about me. No,
I'm daddy, Okay, I'm referring myself in the third person.
I love it. That was the first.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
I mean, I knew that.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
That was so good. You don't believe me, No, No,
I do, I truly do. Sometimes I tell people this.
I tell my kids this, I tell my wife this.
Sometimes my lovely one you call her old son. No,
I tell them sometimes the truth deserves a high level
of scrutiny. So that's why I was just like, you
didn't make that up, and you act you know, and
I was like, no, you didn't know, you didn't know,

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you didn't. And then when you said you did, I
could see through those glasses and I knew you can
tell me the truth.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
Yeahs like when you lean your chair back and you
don't know you're right to the point where you think
it might be gonna fall over, but it doesn't. Yeah,
that's me I got you. Is what he's saying a
joke or is he being serious? Yeah? That's where I
like to live. Yeah, I like for you to live. Well.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
No, probably the first time I heard you say old son,
I started saying it like to people like get caught on.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Like a sea syn desist hasn't showed up at your door.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
It's on its way.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
I mean I think I think it's a compliment that
like seven years ago, I.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Was saying old son, you know, occasionally.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Was not surprised.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Compliment.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so old son. What what would be
like the ranking order of Dell Brisbee saying.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Yep, after that, I mean, like rodeo time, it's rodeo time.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Yeah, it's rodeo time, rodeo time. Down the road, then
you ain't no cowboy, okay, just ranching, just like to
moderate ranching, heavy ranching. Those are just the different levels
kind of like the the how we were talking about
Cowboy yep, you know we kind of you know, a

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little emphasis on the ranching. Yep.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Yeah, those are some of the Well there's more.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Riding bulls and.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Punching chi bools, right, that's it. Yep, that's what I've
already ridden my bull today. So watch out. And then
you say keep it ninety, keeping it ninety, keeping it ninety, yep,
when would you say keeping it ninety?

Speaker 4 (53:27):
He's a fan. I've forgotten about some of the things.
I mean, just that's what that's what that's what I do.
I just keep it ninety.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
I mean, so like, let's Let's say me and you're
riding down the road, something happened, give me that hypothetical.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Okay, just like, yeah, how you being Dale?

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Keeping it nine, keeping it ninety, and I would know
what would I know about you from you saying that
You'd be like, I'd be like, dang, Dale's been busy,
you know that.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Yeah, Dale's been busy being the best.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Okay, so keeping it ninety.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
You ain't no cow boy old son, just bulls punching fools.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Light to moderate ranching, heavy ranching, Rodeo Time.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
Rodeo Time.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
What's some of the other ones? Guys, there's some people
out here.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Your yeah, your mom's favorite bull rider that on a
T shirt.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Your mom's favorite bull rider. Yeah, I mean we've got
all kinds. Yeah, we could walk through out here. I
could show the audience my parel line. Yeah mm hmmm.
Oh yeah, that'd be great.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yeah, it would yeah, yeah, for great.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
For this next twenty minutes, we're gonna walk around with
these cameras. I'm gonna show you some of my things
that are available to you on Rodeo time dot com.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
That's right, plug, that's right, that's right. Well, that's cool.
You got any big trips planned, Like, can you talk
about any of this stuff that you got coming up?

Speaker 4 (54:51):
Like with uh going to California Friday for a movie.
I think I'm gonna to play an announcer at a
NASCAR event for real? For real? And what movie?

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Can you talk about it?

Speaker 4 (55:07):
I don't remember. I could talk about it if I remembered.
But I know that you could talk about it. You
just don't remember, correct, I know? I know I fly
out charge. It's it's literally all been set up through
the d MS. I don't even have the guy's phone number.
I know his name is Ben something, and I'm gonna
fly to Sacramento.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Somebody was just like, hey, Dale, will you come here
at this time? Give me your credit card number? You
put you in a movie.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
No, he doesn't need my credit card.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
But he asked you for it. You should not give
it to him. Okay, this could be a scam.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Yeah, I don't think it is. So you're gonna be
in a movie. He's got the blue check mark.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Oh oh yeah, okay, yeah, And then I'll come back here.
I'll be here for one day. We'll probably film some
here on Monday. Then Tuesday morning I'll go to Cowboys.
Sarrony's will do some jiu jitsu with some veterans, and
then we will Discovery Channel is doing some like a

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show for shooting some guns and stuff.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Yeah, which is good. Yeah, they're coming back around so yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
New Adminiss some big stuff coming up.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
And then I'll do my trip to go see Hannah
and we'll do some Nodland.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Okay, that's in June.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Yeah, because this you know, around July they'll those catfish
lay eggs and then come into the boxes to protect them. Yeah,
and so July is kind of slow. I got a
can Am deal in August. But we're filming for my

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YouTube channel all the time. All the time. You know,
I really don't like taking these trips. I like, do
you travel a lot too much? But I sometimes like
opportunities come up, you know, like a movie and Discovery Channel.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
You kind of just gotta go. But I like doing
what we did today.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah, so just ranching Vale.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Well the ranching side of it. But I like making
the video.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
I like making Rodeo Time episodes podcasts here in Winnebago.
That's what I like.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Yeah, Yeah, that's cool, that's cool. Yeah, hunts this fall
you're going in September elk.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
Hunting to Bear Mountain and Kremlin where that is tright
south of Steamboat, like stones throw from Steamboat, rabbit ears
pass and.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
I mean, don't tell me where you're going hunting.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Yeah, well, I mean really it's a guided hunt.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
Yeah, so like that's another thing that people throw rocks
at where it's just like I don't care, like I don't.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
I am the world's greatest bull rider. I don't have
time to.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
I mean, like, I've been on two elk hunts, so yes,
I'm gonna let somebody guide me on a hunt.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
You know what I just found it a it's not
a high. I found an equivalent back. I found an
equivalent to what you just said. Because yeah, in the
hunting industry, like if I now, I've gone on plenty
of guided hunts, like a lot of guided hunts. But
if that's like all I did, it would be like, oh, well,
Clay successful because he goes on guided hunts.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
And when you didn't want to realize, people like threw
rocks at that.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Listen, I've got a great connection back to your world
that you're gonna you don't love, So people would throw
rocks at that because you know, like on the inside,
like in the inside of hunting, to be able to
do it yourself, you know, means something, and it means
you're authentic and you you don't need a guide and
all this stuff, which I get it, and I would
prefer not to have a guide, and most of the

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time I don't.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
When Clay Nukeomb puts.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
A ferrier video on his Instagram and I am a
I don't know nothing about trimming my mule feet. Yeah,
I've been doing it for nine years. I had one
ferrier that came to my house and showed me how
to do it, and I realized that I was going

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to have to hire this guy every six to eight
weeks to come and put shoes on my mules.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
You only trim your mules feet every sixty eight weeks.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
That's over a.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Year to eight, six to eight, six to eight, okay,
well just say that, okay six to eight weeks. And
I was like, this isn't gonna work for Clay. So
I started doing it myself. And my mule's never gone
lame and I can trim mule feed. I put little
videos up in Man, there's two groups of people in

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life that are, they're wonderful people.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
Instagram commenters and Facebook Will Graham is positive and Facebook
will grill your ass.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Well ferriers and beekeepers are the
most opinionated people in the world.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
But that connects back to your hunting thing.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
But you don't care about what people say about being
guided what I say to somebody that gives me an
incredible amount of input about how I'm doing it wrong
about being a ferrier? Is there like, hey, Clay, you're
using the wrong hoof tool. You know that you should
do this, you should do this, And I just don't
care correct like it just what I do kind of

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works for me. I realize it's unconventional. I realize it's
probably not the best, but my brain only has enough
space to be really good at so many things. Trim
and mule feet is one that I'm like, Man, if
I can just get by.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
All, probably one thousand percent, that's it. Like I have
no desire to be so much. I am not Cameron Haynes.
I have ran with the man and he's who he
is the reason I l hunt one hundred percent. I
was a fan of his and then I went up there.
He gifted me a bow and that's what got me started.

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And then my relationship with Mountainnops a sponsor. They they
gifted me a hunt and so if it wasn't for
Cam and Mountainnops, I wouldn't be going on that. Now.
I love it and I appreciate it. But I am
a cowboy and a rodeo cowboy. That's what I'm most
passionate about. And I would and I've heard people throw

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rocks at guys like myself, who yes, I qualify, I
would technically be an influencer, and.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Yes I'm gonna go bow hunting.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
And now I take a picture with a bull that
I got on a guided hunt, and they'd throw rocks
at it. But like, rewind the tape. I just said
I was okay with something with a CPA out of
Fort Worth coming here to ride horses and put on
a cowboy hat, like it's good for the industry. You
know who cares, Like just get off of everybody's back,
and it's like, let somebody just experience it. It's kind

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of how I feel about the High Fends conversation too.
But regardless, whatever my point is, I just think that,
like what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
And I didn't even realize like that was the thing, but.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
I get the mystique of it, and does is that
CPA as good a hand as my best friend Dusty Berson,
who manages the Four Sixes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
No, he's not.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
And the only disrespect would probably come in, or not
even disrespect, but just the only annoyance I would have
is if the CPA acted like he was a better
cowboy then my friends exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
But you know, then it's just like, oh, you're oblivious.
Same thing with me. I'm not going to act like bet.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
And you never seen nobody, nobody ever said that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
But then I would be the deal brisbee.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
That's the exact same thing when.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
That would be the joke, and that's why you should
laugh at it. But that's not I mean, anybody who
would act I don't know. It's just pretty should be
common sense to me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Well, that's that's why when I dabble into the equine world,
which I'm not an expert, that's I get quite a
bit of fire from it. And there's a lot of
people who are like, oh, that's so cool, man, but uh,
it's that's all just it's.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
People's pride man, and they're passionate about this one thing.
And yeah there it's just like, hey, you know, you
stay in your I don't know, just be happy for people. Yeah,
be happy for people.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Yeah, I don't know. Some people are just like just
completely bitter and poor souls.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Well, I think it's people's pride. Are you a believer?

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
We haven't really talked about faith, but I've gotten that
sense about you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
Like but like a like a Christian believer in the
Christian like the Bible.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Christ I actually don't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
I don't think I've ever said this on on my
podcast before, but I'm actually the I've been the associate
elder at our church for twenty years.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
What Baptists.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
No, we're a non denominational church.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Oh okay, But but Bible believing, okay, Christian like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
The Holy Bible, the one with sixty six books in it.
That one okay, cool with me too, that one gotcha?

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Man, So it's a massive part of my life.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
All right. Good. Yeah. We almost talked about it last
night and I was like, oh, I think he might
be My Christian radar was going off.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Anyways, it was going off regardless.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
Good. I think I don't know how that connects to
the comments people make on social media, but.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Some of them are good, well meaning, Like I just
put up a fair deal just a few days ago.
I was just trimming my mules hoofs and just put
it up and somebody wrote me a very detailed comment
about everything, and he was nice. I mean, the guy
genuinely was trying to help me. He was like, he
was kind of like, hey, Clay, you're kind of looking
like a goober. Let me help you not be a goober.

(01:04:43):
And it was meaningful what he said, but I kind
of I don't. I was just kind of like, well,
I kind of just do what I do and it
works for me. I'm kind of okay with it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Yeah, I mean there's it's on the other hand too,
It's just.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
Like at this point twenty twenty five, we can't really
put out con tent and just be completely surprised. Yeah,
someone does that, you know what I mean, somebody's gonna
comment like that. So uh yeah, it's two sides to
the coin, you know. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
I feel like, well I got you here in front
of the table. We've got to dissect a little bit
of about what what happened. Today with me on the
meal while you were picking up. Oh yeah, I want
to bury the lead a little bit, if you know
what I'm saying. Wink the wink. Let's talk about the

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situation that led to me having a little bit of
a limp today.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Um yeah, so you were we were picking up and tell.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
People what that means. I don't think people know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
So bucking horse rider rides his bron or bucks off. Regardless,
two pick up men in the arena that are on
gentle horses need to ride in alongside this bucking horse
and either help that rider get off of the horse
or we need to take the flank off of him,
because that's what he's kicking at.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Typically, it's not making.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Him bucks got like a belt or belt around it exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
It doesn't go around there. It doesn't go around there
jelly beans. All the horses today were either mares or geldings.
None of them even have jelly beans, So it'd have
been impossible for us to tide around there like people
think in the boor riding. It's just not the case.
Regardless that flank gives them something to kick at, It
just it makes the way in which they buck more consistent,

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which means that it's going to be safer for them
and the rider if they but they're animals that want
to buck. We can't make them buck. They have to
want to. But it doesn't cause pain regardless whatever. That's
what that's the flank strap. Yeah, so the responsibility of

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the pickup man is to help the rider get off
safely and then take that flank off in the arena.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
So you for for you being on a mule number one,
we don't know how she's gonna take it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
Number two. You know, you've never done this before, so
horse and rider. Mule and rider are both pretty inexperienced.
So I wasn't going to ask you to help the
rider get off. I didn't know how she would take
an other, you know, riding double jumping horse on her.
My goal was to help you get the flank off.
And so the last horse, which is kind of the

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more sweetheart pup of the group, I wanted you to
come in alongside, and I was like, the only thing
is you can't end up behind them. They'll kick you.
And you said, this horse, his name is the Baptist.
The Baptist his given name was hang him High from
Pete Carr. He went to the NFR back in like
two thousand and eight, long time ago. He's an old horse.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
And regardless he uh.

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
You said kick me in the head, and I said no,
and I put my hand in the middle of your
thigh and I put anywhere from here down is probably
because this horse doesn't kick that high. And so I
got the horse, grabbed a hold of him, and he's
kind of turning in a circle, and we come riders.
The rider's been the rider.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
The riders off the horse.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
I was essentially wanting you to come in alongside that
horse and trip that flank.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
So lean off of my mule and grab the latch
of the belt basically yeah, and flip this belt off.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
And uh, it was a little too much, too fast,
And I thought you might have been able to heed
my instruction a little better than you did. And anyhow,
this horse kicked you. The bucking horse kicked you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Did you see it?

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
I heard it, yeah, And I felt like I thought
it was just mainly kicked kind of your saddle and
your saddle blanket. Yeah, didn't kick very hard for compared
to how hard they're able to kick, but got the
meaty part of your calf, thankfully.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
And not your shin bone. Yeah, yeah, and you doesn't
mean does it hurt?

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Now, I took I took a couple of the leaves.
I really think that helped. Yeah, but it does it
does hurt? Yeah, but no, it was It was so
funny because I was I was gonna. I had been
following you guys around on my mule, Betty Bay and
and kind of just just being there while two of

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y'all were picking up you know, and so I had
done that, I guess three times already. And so Betty
was pretty used to that. Okay, there's gonna be a
bucking horse come out of that shoot act crazy, We're
going to go towards it. And she she did great
at that. But when you told me to get the
flank strap off of that horse, that meant you got

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to get in super close to this horse that's been bucking,
that's been wild, but you told me don't get behind it.
But what is difficult about it is that he was
turning you. It's not like the horse has stopped and
you got to ride into the side of it. I
mean you're spinning circles.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Yeah, he was kind of he was kind of turning
in a circle.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
You're spinning circles. And so I come up close and I'm,
I'm I'm probably four feet but right from the rump
of the mule and I and you know, I'm in
a tricky situation, and so do I and I spur
old Betty.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
I mean, I'm I'm like, dang, we got to get up.
And she she proceeded to move at my queue. But
that but the angle, I was like, it was like
a race car going along the outer track and and
the guy on the inner lane is turning and I
couldn't get in front of him quick enough and I mean,
just what just she just she just let out a

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sideways kick, probably about half throttle. But it I mean,
if you've never been kicked by a horse or mule,
it's a unique feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
I mean, it's just like, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Yeah, and I immediately and she didn't, you know, hit
me just right in the side of the calf and
h For about a split second, I thought I'm gonna
be bad, hurt, Like you know, you just think and
and there's that adrenaline that floods you and you think
I'm shielding.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Really what's about? You know, That's what was going through
my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
I was like, crap, I'm gonna be But it ended
up just being a big old Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
You never know, like sometimes like you can get kicked
like that and you think it's the end of the world.
For sure, it's broke, this, that and the other, and
then it ends up being the next morning you can't
even feel it. And then sometimes the opposite is true,
like right, you don't even realize how bad hurt it is,
and two days later you're like, something ain't right. Yeah,
but that's it's crazy in the arena, like it's it's
one or the other.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Yeah, well, I truly think it's it's okay, but it
was my fault.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
You told me exactly what not to do and I
did that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
And yeah, I mean it's your first time. It's hard
that mules kind of looking out for herself. She doesn't,
you know, she's a little nervous to it. Yeah, it's
her first time. I mean with work, I'm sure she
would get good at it and realized that like she
could do it, and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Yeah, but well it was it was it was so
much fun.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Gathering the cows and working the gate.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
You did great.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
Yeah, well that and that that was a lot of fun. Yeah,
that was a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Yeah, it went well, it went for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
Man, I don't know if if I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
If we can if we can shift this this far
of a turn. Uh and get kind of serious. If
you're willing to talk to me about it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
We'll see about your dad. Oh yeah, no, I don't
mind talking about him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Yeah, I mean we kind of started talking about it earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
He definitely isn't going to object.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Yeah, yeah, no, I somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
Because he's dead.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
I guess we are comfortable with this, all right, roll
the tap boys. I was comfortable with talking about his dad.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Yeah. What's he gonna do about it?

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
I don't know, no, no, no, I have been a
partaker of Dell Brisbee content, but it was just recently
that I heard the story of your dad. Yes, sir
passing away in the arena? Yeah, and uh will you
will you tell me that story?

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
Yeah? So we were uh Helotis every year is the
first weekend in May, and uh, you usually switched to
a straw about that time, and we would always stop
in at Catalina Hatters and Brian and get a new
straw hat and on our way to he Lotis and
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
I'm just kind of telling the story now, I don't.
I'm not trying to plug this random hat store.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
But they we then we'd go to Lotus and just
every every spring it is just and either riding or
working there, one of the two. Like I've ridden all
three events there. I fought bulls there and my dad
would always pick up there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
And so i'd go with him and we'd always go.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
And my aunt and uncle lived in Bulverdi, not far
and but I had that year I was fighting bulls
for Sammy Andrews and.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
So I had like ten of his rodeos that year.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
Well, one of them was an Amy rodeo in Paris,
and so Wednesday before both of our rodeos got started
on Thursday, and he was talking about just picking up
and like how you know it doesn't really pay a
lot and and you know he could probably make more,
he'd be money ahead if he stayed at the house.
And we were just back and forth, and he, uh,

(01:14:48):
he made a comment something like staying at that and
I said, well, I'd never ask you to quit. And
I shook his hand and I can I can feel
his hand in my hand right now.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
You know, better than I can see his face.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
And I was driving a little bitty car and he
was loading up his you know pick up horses. That
one right there was one of them, and it was
it's out at the house still and yeah, so it
kind of helped said goodbye to each other, each going
to our rodeos. And I shook his.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Hand and I drove down the road. I was going
to stop and see my brother.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
He was building a saddle at a saddle maker's house,
like fifteen miles away. But when I left there, it
was the hardest I'd ever cried up until that point.
When I left there, I just knew it was me
the last time I saw my dad.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
I heard you say that, how do you How did
you know?

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
I don't know, to be honest, like I think God,
Like just years before, I just felt like I'm going
to lose my dad early. But it was never as
strong as it was on May one of twenty thirteen.
And I thank God for that, because the year leading
up to it, I would record him sometimes like I

(01:16:04):
would just I took notes when he talked about cows,
like I just I soaked up every moment I could.
He had a really genuine I believed I was going
to lose my dad early, and I acted on it,
and it's share that with him. No, I'm sure he
saw me. He definitely recognized me acting on it. Yeah,

(01:16:27):
But I'd always been close to my dad anyway. I
was never one of a son to just say that,
I mean, like to think that his parent didn't know anything.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
My dad knew he was. He was a brilliant man,
and I treated him like that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
And that's my advice to young people is to just
even if they maybe don't know that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
I mean, there's just no point in treating him like that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Yeah, I just I wanted to be around him.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
I wanted to be It's it's interesting you talking about
the relationship with your father, because I mean a lot
of people don't.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
Have great relationships with them.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Either there's a massive conflict or there's there's an absence
just to kind of an absence of relationship, and the
you know, the spectrum is all the way in between,
you know. And it's really interesting to me to hear
you say that you you suspected this, because I mean,
I think God does that kind of stuff for us

(01:17:24):
all the time, if we're paying attention.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
I think so too.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
I've tried to replicate it with all types of relationships
I have. There's it's crazy, like I I genuinely often
treat it's not every day all the time, but like
it's like family members and like some certain people, it's
just like I will talk to them as if it
is going to be the last conversation I have, you know,

(01:17:49):
and eventually it will be.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
And that's real to you because.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
Of because it haven't. And I don't know why, but
I'm thankful for it though that God did.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
But so I don't know. I just that's the hardest.
I crying And.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
What were you?

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
What were I can't leave the spot? What were you
thinking about when you cried that day him dying?

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Did you think it was gonna happen that day?

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
I didn't know?

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
You just it just it just like overwhelmed me.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
I had I had shook my dad's hand and felt
that and maybe even I can't remember a specific instance,
but cried before like I had thought I had kind
of had. That was the strongest it was ever it
had ever been, undeniably like I would remember crying this hard. Yeah,
because I got to that spot where my brother was

(01:18:34):
and I had to sit in the car because I
didn't want to be embarrassed because my face was just
beat red. Wow. Wow, it was just that over.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
What did let me ask you this? What did what
did you do with that? With that feeling? I mean,
did you did you pray?

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
Did you?

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
Looking back, I wished I had gotten the pick up
with him and gone to the rodeo and told Sammy,
I can't make it to Paris. You know, there's no
part of me that would like no show a gig
where I told somebody i'd be there. Bullfighter, Yeah yeah,
But I mean today when I in the in the
instances where I've gotten close to feeling that I will

(01:19:11):
cancel a trip, and I have like you know that,
like since there's been times where like I'll change, I
don't know, like it's I don't know, like I'm going
to change the future. Whatever. It's weird. I know it's
not it's not normal. I'm not trying to be whatever.
I do know some of this stuff I haven't ever
even said out loud, But regardless, I know what I
felt that day, and damned if. Twenty four hours later,
I'm standing in the arena at Paris, Texas, putting a

(01:19:33):
neck rope on a horse. And somebody asked me about
Jacobs Crawley, who's one of my best friends. He's a
bron rider and he was in Helotis with my dad.
Uh Like, we'd been roommates in college. We would practice together,
went to some rodeos together. And so this judge in Paris,
Texas is asking me like.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
How's the how's jacobsen Stertling doing. I was like, well,
this and that, and I had my phone in my pocket.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
I got face paint on my baggies because I'm gonna
fight this rodeo.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
And I was like, oh, there's the redhead.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
Now let's see what he's you know, got, you know,
because I knew that guy's horses, so I thought maybe
he was calling to ask got a horse. And he
was like, dude, your dad is on the ground. And
so they had just started their rodeo, the baar back riding,
and he's the pickup man and he picks this guy
up and then just like goes down with him. Apparently wow. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
And so but he had his hat pulled down, you know,
like this, and.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
Uh he he so he's he's wearing it and it
hits the ground and anyways, I have the hat and
it's got a mud stain on it. So when we
recreated that picture, same horse, same saddle, same hat, that's
what that's anyway, That's that's when Drew painted that for me.
But yeah, so yeah, he called me and and so

(01:20:54):
like I just look over at Sammy and I said,
I gotta go, and I walk out the Auto eight
and drive down to San Antonio.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
How far was that?

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Probably five hours? Six hours made y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Were long ways apart? Yeah, I mean, and it was a.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
Heart attack, correct, Yeah, yeah, Doc says he was dead
before he hit the ground, but you know, they work
on him and uh, Cindy Motcomber rides in the ambulance
with him to the hospital. But then, I don't know why.
My dad had said he wanted to. He's like, man,
I feel like I'm supposed to do something great, and

(01:21:33):
uh anyway, uh so he said that like a couple
of weeks before, and he had said it one other
time and I was just like, yeah, I don't I
don't know what it is. And he was like, I
don't know what it is either. I don't know the
fuck I'm supposed to do something.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
He said that to you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
Yeah, just like like casually, like he wasn't trying to
be anything.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
He was just like, I don't know because he was
managing this ranch.

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
Nol And Gas Company owned it, and it was like
the easiest job he had ever had. Rewind seven years later,
like seven years earlier, my mom had left. He my
mom had left, and he just was like, anybody is
just like gonna move on, yeah, Texas, Like if you
get if you don't show up sign the divorce papers,

(01:22:18):
you're still divorced.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Well like he didn't sign them anyways.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
Whatever. Two years goes by and he's just like what
God brought together, Let no man separate, and he just
like sits and he fasts and he prays. And I
just watched this man have faith that his wife is
going to come back when there's just no wipe. Why
would she come back? Like nobody ever, his parents, everybody,
it's like, you got to move on, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
His kids didn't tell him that, but he doesn't. And
two years doesn't seem like a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
But when it's a year and eleven months in and
you don't know it's going to be two years, it
feels like a long ass time. You know, well, yeah,
dang if she didn't come back, and you know they
always come back, turns out, but most of the time, wow.
And he was just there waiting and uh, that's honorable.
So the last seven years of his life is the

(01:23:07):
best seven years of his marriage. He's got this awesome
job managing this ranch, this oil and gas company owns
and they don't even care about the ranch. They show
up once a month, and he's just he had had
MS and so he had this which it was it
went into remission. And so these seven years, his son's
working for him like we buck horses once a week
on the It's just it was heaven for seven years.

(01:23:29):
And he was starting to get a little comfortable. But
he was like, I got her. I feel like I'm
meant to accomplish something great. And that was ringing in
my head on this drive to San Antonio, and I'm
just like in denial that he died. I was like, no,
this is going to be some story where like they
revive him at the hospital, you know, so they're trying
to they tell you that he had a heart attack. No,

(01:23:51):
they told me I had a heart attack. And then
like on the drive, my aunt calls me and she's like, yeah,
he and I was like, no, this is there's something
because he said even though the day before, U's the
hardest I'd ever cried, you know what I'm saying, like,
I've just got this. I knew it was gonna happen,
but I didn't believe it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Ye And.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
Well, anyways, he did actually die, turns out, and so
I was just kind of left, like I knew it
was gonna happen, but like, what was that feeling where
he said he was supposed to come for something great?
And I think looking back now it's been you know,
eleven years, twelve years, twelve years and a month that

(01:24:37):
he's died. I run into guys that knew him like
before I was born. I run into guys that he taught,
you know, how to ride or whatever, and it's just
like this legacy that he left behind. He had already
done the great thing there was just now God blessed

(01:24:58):
him with this death. His exit at fifty five as
a you know, rodeo cowboy, and everybody's like, well, he
died doing what he loved, and that's true, you know,
but it's almost like he had he lived this life,
and I'm not trying to make something better than it was.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
I'm not trying to misremember something. I just think he
was a great man.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
Yeah, and God put this like he's like, all right,
I'm gonna take you before you mess it up. And
the impact that it's had, I think there were a
lot of people didn't really realize how great of a
man he was.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
It was simple.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
Yeah, you know, we were talking about Zeke Thurston earlier.
It's just like he's not super flashy whatever, but you
look up at the end of the year and he's
won the world. Like where did he come from? Like, oh,
he just rides great every time. Yeah, And that's kind
of like my dad was just like he just did
the right thing, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
And it was like Tiger Wood says, same boring strokes
every day. And he raised his family. He never he
didn't drink. He was a man of God.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
Times came like he just leaned on God and his
faith and he brought his family back together. And and
then at fifty five he died. And it was this
cherry on top that I don't know, it was hearing
people and he had used the word butterfly effect before

(01:26:21):
you know, the ripple effect, and his ripple effect after
he died was just crazy and it just keeps going.
And so the great thing is that the legacy that
kind of the Lord used after he died. Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Well, I mean, I don't know, that's kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:26:41):
And it. But you're part of that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
You're you're you're a part of that great thing that
he left.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
I mean, I say that in all seriousness.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Well, it's like, what what you I mean that that
that is the essence and the beauty of botherhood is
that you get to you get to pass something on
to your children, and I mean in such a tangible
and real way.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
He passed so much to you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
And I mean the rodeo stuff and riding bulls and
the pure passion that you have for it that he
had I deeply respect. But what I deeply respect more
about you that I've seen confirmed with my own eyes
since i've I've only been here twenty four hours but
been around you a little bit. The fact that you're
in the midst of a of a pretty corrosive environment

(01:27:32):
at times. I know, the rodeo world can be pretty corrosive.
And you don't drink, you don't you're like, you're very
family orient oriented.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
Like who you are is.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
That's what I'm most impressed with about you, and I
know that's directly connected to him. I mean that with
all seriousness. I said this, and again, I want I
want you to connect this to your dad, because it's
not many people probably have the same pendulum. And I
realized your father died, so it gave you this ability
to scrutinize and evaluate, probably differently than those of us

(01:28:09):
that have living fathers. I think there's something about a
dad dying that makes you really scrutinize the relationship. But uh,
but to end on a compliment to Dale, you, I
knew that you were a legitimate, solid human by the
way that I have witnessed you, even in your content,

(01:28:31):
which is comedy generally, by the way that your interns
treated and respected you, and the way I saw you
treat and respect them.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
I was like, I think that's a good guy. I
think he's got a good value system.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
And and you're probably I mean behind the shades, behind
the cowboy hat and the wig, ridiculous wig, you're you're
you're like a solid human.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
That's my assessment.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
I appreciate that it does mean a lot, you know,
anything good to me, I think the Lord instilled through
my dad. You know, we got a pretty common saying
around here is don't meet your heroes, you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Know, because yeah, so you know, I think I think
there's a lot of things about me that are you know,
you'd be underwhelmed with.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
But I do. I do appreciate you, my hero. Now,
I don't know you said it with your kind of
we're hitting around man, but uh, but no, I think
that I've been blessed with the great team here. You know,
I was blessed with Like I said, I I'm really

(01:29:37):
not trying to just like beef up.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
I would have said all this when he was alive.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
And that's that's the thing that I just I I
was a fan of the man, you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
Know, and when he passed, I had zero regrets.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
Like there's one or two comments where he and I
got because we worked together, and there's like one or
two times I can think of where we got mad
at each other where I probably said like something minor
out of line. But I was such a fan of
his and I wanted more time with him, you know,
all the time, And so I had zero regrets when

(01:30:17):
he passed, and they took him to the hospital, took
him to the mortuary, and then we went and picked
him up. My brother and I and nobody else ever
took possession of him. It was just like a lonesome
dove thing. We just wanted to be the one. And
so we drove him to the funeral home. We drove
him to the church. Then we drove him and we
buried him. We lowered him, We threw the dirt end

(01:30:39):
and uh, but we had the funeral. We did the
grave side here, funerals in love it grap side here.
And so it was a couple a day or two
later and then I get home and I'm sorting stuff out,
And it was like eight days after my dad died
that I realized, dang, it hasn't even crossed my mind

(01:31:02):
where he might be right now. It was as sure
to me as gravity, Like I ain't got to acknowledge
that when I knocked this off, it's gonna fall, Like
you just know that you don't have to. Oh, gravity
is what I think of, you know, Like there was
no It was as sure as I am of gravity.
That's where like I just knew that was a fundamental

(01:31:22):
truth for me, and that was maybe the biggest assurance
I had about moving forward in life without him, was
that he left me with this faith, you know, that
I was able to take with me, and that was
maybe one of the more grateful things I was. I
was I was most grateful for with my dad.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
Man, thanks for sharing that. Yeah, yeah, you bet for real,
super super interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
Long story.

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
It's weird. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
I've told it like, it's not weird, but it's just different.

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
I've told it maybe five times and it's just like,
depending on where I start, it just hits me different. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
Yeah, well that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
Well, hey, thank you so much for having us to
the ranch. Thank you for for for hosting me today.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
And uh, at some point, at some point on the
on the Meat Eat your web YouTube channel, you're gonna
be able to see me and old Dale.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
Out ranching ranching and then Clay getting kicked.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
You'll get to watch it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
We got it filmed.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Yeah, that's that's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
If you get kicked by a horse and nobody's there
to film it, I don't think it's the coolest.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
And these days it helping happened. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
Yeah, So anyway, thank you Dale, and uh anything else
I'm supposed to say, Keep the wild places wild because that's.

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
Where the Bears live.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
Owned the next one to the next one, old son

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