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November 25, 2024 • 87 mins

Gill Alexander and Kelley Bydlon give their thoughts on every game on the Week 13 NFL slate on Monday's Beating The Book. What are their initial thoughts for the Week 13 slate of games? Also, some impressions on Week 12.

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However you take it is s that we appreciated. It's
kill Alexander, it is Kelly Bidlin. This is what we
do on Mondays, the interactive game that h well. I
hope you participate in trying to extract some value from
the upcoming week's NFL lines, and in the process we

(00:58):
look back at the week gone by. We have to
do that part yeah, we have to go.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
We have to You're pretty good at.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
So we have to. Well, we'll get to all the games.
Is how we do this first the way Survivors of all. Hello, Kelly, Billy,
how are you.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, I'm doing well. How are you? I'm great?

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Thank you know, not great, but you know getting through it.
Here's the thing, uh, Survivor. We always start with Survivor.
On a Monday, we are down. We are down to
fifty four entries. Fifty four remaining entries, thirty three knocked out.
We went. We came into this week with ninety nine

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three got knocked out by the Steelers on Thursday. That
brought it down to ninety six. Then somebody, and I
hope this person's okay, oh gosh y failed to submit
what at the time what at the time was about
a one hundred and fifty thousand dollars intrinsic value entry.

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Then yesterday, thirty three go down with the Commis eight
the Texans. We are down to fifty four fifty four
remain out of fourteen thousand, two hundred and sixty six.
That's ninety nine points sixty two percent gone. Kelly, if
you're scoring at home, intrinsic value of the remaining fifty
four entries. Each of the remaining fifty four two hundred

(02:19):
sixty four thousand, one hundred and eighty five dollars and
nineteen cents over a quarter of a million dollars per
entry of the remaining circus survivor entries the remaining fifty
four and our buddy Jake from Profitex is one of them.
He'll be on the show later this week. Nice, he
texted me yesterday he goes in. Then there were fifty four.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I was like, yes, there are I like because Jake
was he was very, he was very he was confident,
but not cocky. I thought he was a perfect perfect yes, yeah, yeah,
And like you need a mix of that, You need
a mix of humiliate humility, because we talk about it
all the time where this is come on, it's you
need a little bit of luck to get you know,
to get through a.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Sea like this.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
You do, but you need some skill to plan it
out as well.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
The thing that I the think that I appreciate about
his his pitch perfectness on this too is this was
a weird year, obviously, because the carnage of the first
five weeks is unprecedented. By the way, We've never gone
into Thanksgiving where the value of each entry, if each
entry is over a quarter of a million into Thanksgiving,
that's never happened before. But the thing that I appreciate
about his entry the most is he started with one.

(03:26):
It's the only one. By the way, only four people
have two entries left. Nobody has more than two. So
forty six of the remaining fifty four have one to
four people have two left. That's how you get to
fifty four. And this was a year that beyond the
carnage of the first five weeks, people played it differently.
It wasn't as fun in many cases because a lot

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of people from the beginning just did the monetization thing
from like really early on. So they're buying percentages, they're
selling percentages, so that the joy of this is that
one person that goes coast to coast with one of
those guys.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
So I love it too. Also, I think it takes
away now that we're down to nobody has more than two,
takes away some of the gamesmanship possibilities that guys can plays.
Now it's kind of just go out there and win it, right,
It's kind of more just basic like that. You're right,
we get we get all these marketplaces now to buy
and sell stuff. Like you keep reading the implied value
every week and I'm like, I'd have half of that.

(04:20):
I would have sold fifty four percent or whatever already.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Well, we will have them on before Thanksgiving. Hopefully he
gets through if he's our guy. But good luck to
all who are still left of the fifty four. By
the way, there was one person who had six entries
heading into this past weekend, four of which were on
the commis. Yeah, thanks to Tony Farmer courtesy of the
Survivor outlets for giving us those debts. All right, it's
time for guessing lines Week thirteen in the National Football League.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
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Speaker 1 (04:56):
That might be the first time in the history of
Guessing lines where I've ever like remembered the intro when
it hit perfectly.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Dude, don't freaking up.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
You did a great job, man, Thank you very much.
I just want to point out when I do things
right on the show.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
After you've been there before. Manute, see what I just did.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
I'm gonna do that every time. See see what I
just did.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Now we'll see on Wednesday, we'll check with a big
one on Wednesday. All right, Thursday morning, you wake up,
you get some Numbers game going. Man, Then thirty minutes
after we're done.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
We should we should point this out. Oh I'm sorry,
forty Fisher sentence.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
I'm just gonna go to the game. You'll get Oh.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
No, I was gonna say, we will be here on.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
We will be here, We will be here Thursday, we
will be here Friday. Thirty minutes after a Numbers game,
you get Bears out Lions.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
You get three games, and you get a Friday game.
Bears a Lions starts at the four and seven Bears
the ten and one Lions. The Bears. What a game
this was on a on a different weekend, this would
have been the game of the week. The Bears starts
out Minnesota first drive, second and goal with the one
Aaron Jones stripped by Jonathan Owens, mister Simone Biles recovered

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by Owens, and you figure, okay, maybe this is the
Bear's day. Nuts about Chicago. A couple of drives later,
Caleb to Allen for forty to start the drive to
swift for thirty two plays later, Shan John's a different one.
It's seven to nothing. Bears late first quarter. Minnesota comes
right back though Addison two yard touchdown catch after Donald
hit Addison for forty five, seven to seven. First play

(06:18):
of the second quarter. Then Santos remember he had that
field goal blocked against the Green Bay Packers. Well, he
tries a forty eight yard and this one is blocked
after Allen appeared to have made a great catch of
the six but was ruled out of bounds on review.
So Cairo Sento's now with another field goal block took
He took responsibility after the game. He says, I have
low trajectory kicks. Low trajectory kicks main seven to seven.

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Also the line getting shoved. Minnesota comes back fifty three
yard drive, Donald to Jalen Nayler from five out fourteen
to seven. Minnesota be fourteen to ten at the half
after Santo's kicking forty nine yard are Okay, we get
to the first bit of shenanigans, or not only his shenanigans,
but the first bits of eyebrow raise of the day.
So it's fourteen ten Minnesota. The third quarter begins, Minnesota

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first play Darnold to Addison for sixty nine even though
Kelly he had stepped out well before that, like thirty
three yards earlier, and it was detected by a boundary camera.
Boundary camera comes into our life as football vans. Now again,
we've watched a bajillion you and me, you listening to

(07:25):
me and me, We have watched a bajillion football games
between us in our lives. You ever heard about this before?
So Mike Perera breaks the story that, just in case
you couldn't, you didn't think that the NFL couldn't be
more byzantine as they say about their rules. He lets
us know that apparently on and I'm gonna get this right,

(07:48):
that you cannot over According to Perera, the NFL officiating
crew working the game could not overturn the play on
a coach's challenge, even with a boundary camera angle showing
that Addison Addison clearly stepped out of bounds. Because get this, Kelly,
not every stadium in the NFL has that camera angle,
and it wouldn't be fair to others. It would have
apparently only been valid on a scoring play, which goes

(08:11):
to official review, but on a coaches challenge because there's
not uniform boundary cameras across the league, a twenty billion
dollar league. They weren't able to use that they were
not permitted to because of equity, and so Addison gets
his sixty nine yard cast. Also, is this the one where.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
He said, if it was a primetime game of any kind, right,
it would have been called because of that same thing,
because the cameras would have been in place.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Correctly, I missed that part, but yeah, that makes sense,
the whole sense, but it's unbelievable anyway. It leads to
a Parker Robofield goal seventeen to ten at that point
for the Vikings. A little later on, the Vikings were stopped.
They had to punt, but it hits to Andre Carter
of the Bears, recovered by Bo Richter sets up Minnesota
at the Chicago fifteen. Five plays later, Jones in from two,

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twenty four to ten Minnesota. Late third quarter, you figure
this one's over, but Chicago comes back sixty four yards,
including four conversion at the Minnesota twenty. Caleb for seven.
Two plays later, Caleb to DJ Moore from seven out
two point try fails, twenty four to sixteen. Halfway through
the through the fourth quarter, twenty seven to sixteen. Now
Bears looking like they're done with one fifty six left

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in the game under the two minute warning, their down
two scores after DeAndre Carter returns a kick off fifty
five yards, though, sets up at the Minnesota forty fourth
and three conversion. Caleb to a Dunze for fourteen four
plays later, Caleb to Keenan from one out, two point
try good. Caleb to DJ Moore twenty seven to twenty four,
twenty two seconds left.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Though.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
You know how this goes. They had to declare. They
had to declare an on side kick and it worked.
Set up at their own forty three to DJ More
for twenty seven, Spike Santos for forty eight. Good, we're
going over time. Oh my god, what a game. Chicago
three and out of Minnesota matriculates, that's all it was
from their own nineteen. They actually were a second in

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seventeen hole. They got out of it to Addison for
thirteen on third and nine. At their own twenty two,
the matriculate Jefferson for twenty to Hockets for twenty nine,
John Parker romo twenty nine yard field go good, thirty
to twenty seven. Minnesota wins it. They take on Detroit
in this, or I should say Chicago does in this
division game Detroit. There's not much to say about this
game other than after it was three to nothing Indianapolis.

(10:16):
You know how these Detroit games go. Kelly sixty yard
drive gibbson from one, seven to three, seven to six.
Game nine plays seventy yards Montgomery in from six fourteen
to six halftime, third quarter, fourth and one at the
Indianapolis fourteen Montgomery two yard lost. Maybe Indiapolis can get
back in this Nope. Next time Detroit gets the ball,
ten plays, seventy nine yard touchdown drive gibbs in from five,

(10:37):
twenty one to six. Indianapolis couldn't do anything offensively. It
ends up being twenty four to six. Here's Indianapolis's second half.
Second half possessions, three and out, turnover on They wanted
to go for it on fourth, but they had a
holding penalty, so they had to punt three and out,
three and out turnover on downs. Ball game held to
two hundred and sixty eight total yards were the cold

(11:00):
only eleven first downs. Chicago at Detroit. Your Thanksgiving morning,
I'm gonna say Detroit by ten.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, you're right, there are about ten and a half
right now. Got the hook too, huh Yeah, got the
hook too.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Are the Detroit Lions. The Detroit Lions feel like one
of these eighties NFC juggernauts. Pick your year, whether it
was the Bears in eighty five, or the Giants all
those years, the Niners all those years, or the Skins
all those years. They just take care of every opponent. However,
after watching last night's game, which we'll get to, do,
you believe the Eagles are on par with this team.

(11:37):
In other words, the Eagles script, which we'll get to
seems to be the same every whether it's against the Bengals,
whether it's against Washington, whether it's against the Rams last night. Oh,
you can play with them for a while, but then
they will wear you out. Every one of these games,
I up the final scoring is of being a blowout.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
I think the Lions are the best team right now
in the NFL. I think they will be the best
team in the regular season. Talk to me the playoff skill.
I think I'd like the Eagles a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
That's the proper waivers. What you just do. Wait to
not step on step out of all on that one,
I agree with it. Everything you're saying come down to
sixty minutes in January and perhaps specifically the NFC Championship game.
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that that Bears Vikings game on it on a different day?
That that finishes unbelievable. You're down two scores with less
than two minutes left. You get that great kickoff return,

(13:12):
you matriculate it, you get the two point conversion, you
recover it on side kick for God's sakes, which never happens.
You get it in field goal rage, you sink that
and you just three and out overtime. And that's that.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
That was the That was the first off. What are
the on side kicks when you see it where I'm
always like, why can't.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
You do that more often?

Speaker 2 (13:31):
You know, it's like they just skipping across the ground, right,
it's off the leg man. That Witching Hour portion yesterday
though it was it was something overall. Oh boy, not
Hansoon loving it like you said on any other day.
I'm just like sitting there, I'm like, what's going on
with like three of these games. If we don't keep
up with the tweets, we'll never get through them. So
let's just let's do every segment here. We get tweets
of beating the book.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Chris Hauser to Kelly Bidlin, you hit a five, and
oh when you try to go oh.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
To five, I try to go five. It was just
what I text year this morning, five oh circum millions
a week. I only bet one of the sides. Puer
I had another one. I had the Lions and a teaser.
Then wait out of the season running already, and out
of the quarter running already. I went three and two
and two and three the first two weeks.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Ryan Hyatt, we need ang deep dive from Gilly Kelly
regarding the Kingsbury effect. At this point, it's real. For
whatever reason, the midseason swoons, we saw Texas Tech and
Arizona continue. Now as offensive coordinator at Washington, the only
common denominator is Kingsbury. Well, ryot asking, you shall receive.
Do we have that? Guys? Do we have the Kingsbury
update on the screen. This is an unbelievable thing. In

(14:35):
the first seven games, all those Texas Tech and Cardinals years,
was he as head coach, then USC's senior offensive asistant
last year before becoming the Commodore's offensive coordinator this year.
Look at those first seven games and then everything that
has happened after those first seven games fifty six, twenty
seven and one, first seven, twenty two and sixty after

(14:57):
good God, just wild asking you shall receive Johnny Millionaire,
listen to you on your show, Gil in the megapod,
and I'm glad I didn't go with your guy that
something was amiss with the Detroit The Lions keep rolling,
while Commi's and Texans were the big favorites most likely
to stumble. I think he's talking about Drew. I'm guessing
who didn't. Who's not a big who's not as high
on the Lions as others. But the Lions keep rolling,

(15:22):
for sure they do. And Washington and Houston again the
record better than the teams actually are these days. Jesse,
welch no offense, Gilly, because I'm sure it was terrible
for you as a fan. But I cannot wait to
hear your breakdown of the Fish Taco Holders game. Okay,
it's coming. Las Vegas five to one, four yo Specialties
plays so important it reared its ugly had yesterday for

(15:45):
our team. The playoffs are slipping away. Sheesh. By the way,
looking forward to you and Young Kelly's Top Thanksgiving Sides
twenty twenty four edition. No raisins in your potato salad,
No raisins in the stuffing is what I'm really about.
Stop polluting your stuffing with raisins. Just give me the
stove top. There's my list, all right, you ready? What's that?

Speaker 2 (16:02):
I'm glad we got that tweet. I forgot. I forgot
to write that one down for this week. That's right,
Top Sides gonna do that one at some point Sunday. Sunday, No,
we're still Thursday.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Thursday. Forgot Thursday.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
In the middle of the afternoon, one thirty Pacific Giant said, Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Forgot us Thanksgiving for a second Thursday. Three games Friday one,
I love it. Giants against Tampa yesterday. Not much to
say about this game other than Tampa just rolled him.
It is Tommy DeVito and the Giants. Tampa Bay first
drive fourteen plays seventy yards. Sean Tucker in from one,
seven to nothing. Giants punt, Giants three and out. Third time,
Tampa Bay gets the ball field goal ten to nothing.

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Giants three and out. Tampa Bay seven plays eighty two yards.
Bucky Irving in from six, seventeen to nothing a little
more than halfway through the second quarter. At this point
in the game, the total yards was two O nine
to nineteen.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Is that good?

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Giants punt Tampa Bay eighty six yards. Baker in from
ten and then he does his celebration in the end zone.
For all the Tommy de Vito lovers can you do
it for us? Kelly, could you do I'll do it
for you. This is what he was doing it, but
he's doing it really fast like this the whole time.
It was a great South standing the best part of
the game. What's the score of that point? Twenty three
to nothing? They missed the extra point. That's the halftime
score anyway. Giants. Then they matriculate first and goal at

(17:09):
the five tyrone Tracy hit by Levonte David fumbles, Elijah
Cansi recovers Tampa Go's ninety five yards or shot I
were shot white in from one. It was thirty to nothing,
Katie bar the door. I did get to thirty to
seven because the Giants did get one scoring drive to
make it thirty to seven. And the only thing noteworthy
after that was on a long irving fifty six yard

(17:30):
game Baker's blocking down field as well, which was awesome
to see. Final score thirty to seven. Tampa rolls the Giants.
They out gained the Giants four fifty to two forty five.
Who did you say they were playing the Giants?

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Giants said the Cowboys. I thought you said that, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Let me just talk about the first half of a second,
because really the game was lost in the first half.
Aubrey thirty five yardfield goal blocked, what three to nothing
Washington after a Cyber forty one yard Then Aubrey misses
a forty two yardfield goal, misses it wide right, still
three to nothing. Cybert misses a fifty one yarder, still
three to nothing. Then dawdlls hit by Johnny Newton, stripped

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by Bobby Wagner. Washington set up in the Dallas forty seven,
three and out. A couple times later, Dallas punt block
by Mathis. Washington set up at Dallas forty third play
first intend at the Dallas twenty eight Jayden really a
bad decision picked by Chauncey Golston, who's basically in the
intended receiver's you know, lap, Dallas set up at midfield.

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They get a three and out. Dallas ends up taking
over the next time with forty five seconds left, but
they own fourteen forty five seconds left. In the second quarter,
Rush chucks it just he just chunks it up in
the air and Jalen Rooks comes down with it. Forty
one yards later. Aubrey forty six yard fields three to
three at the halftime, three to three. Washington should have
had a big lead. That's where they lost the game. Okay,

(18:50):
I'll get to the good part. Third quarter, Washington sixty
yards Jayden in from seventeen and you're like, okay, I
gonna roll him now. Cybern misses the extra point nine three.
Wash Dallas comes right back eighty yards rush to Jalen
Tolbert from six out, ten to nine. That would be
the score. That would be the score at the end
of the third quarter. Wash Dallas ten, Washington nine.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
What a snoozer.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Dallas would take a thirteen to nine lead. Eight eleven
left in the fourth quarter and Washington first play after
that Jayden to John Bates from thirteen that he's hit
by Donovan Wilson. Fumbles were covered by Eric Kendricks. Dallas
set up the Washington thirty five rushed Scoonmaker from twenty
two out twenty to nine Dallas with five sixteen left,
the DC Skins are down two scores. Oh my god,

(19:37):
it's happening again. Historical double digit favorite against Dallas. They've lost.
You know, some big ones in the pethers. This is
only the fifth that we could come up with via
the database. One of them in nineteen eighty nine when
Dallas went one. In fifteen you guessed it. That one
was when they were a double digit underdog to Washington.
And in nineteen ninety one the greatest team of all time,

(19:58):
Washington was eleven and oh playing at home, double digit
favorite against Dallas. Dallas went into RFK RFK and beat
him that day.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
But don't worry. Girl's moved on.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, And then there was yesterday, and I'm like, Okay,
it's happening again. Twenty to nine Dallas Washington, though nine
plays sixty nine yards jayden Ertz from four out, twenty
to fifteen, Daniel's Moses in on the two point conversion,
twenty to seventeen Dallas with three to zero two left.
Then one of the if it wasn't so sad, it
would be funny. Twenty to seventeen Washington. It's now just

(20:30):
a field goal game. They kickoff Turpin Cavante. Turpin misplays
the kickoff, then he picks it up and he does
like you know the Madden thing you do where you
just spin for no reason. That's what he did to
the house. You're not catching Turpin. Oh my god, the god,
I just couldn't believe.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
It till the most early early two thousands Madden thing
I've ever seen, except for the dropped him muffing it,
because you know, muffin it mad. But oh, I actually
hit spin move. I didn't really need to do that.
And then my guy, it's got ninety nine speed is
somehow eight times faster than everybody else.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
On the twenty seven seventeen Dallas with two forty nine left,
and surely it's over, except it's not. Washington does the
right thing. Give dan Quinn credit. They're down two scores.
They got the ball as soon as they get in
field goal range, right, that's it. Let's kick the field goal,
and they do, and Cybert nails it. From fifty one
twenty seven to twenty Dallas with one forty left. Washington

(21:26):
does have two timeouts. They do declare on their own
side kick that one fails. Dallas takes over it the
Washington forty nine. But remember again, two timeouts left three
and out for Dallas. So Washington does get the ball
back down seven, but they get it back at their
own fourteen with thirty three seconds left. Kelly, So I mean,
you know, it's basically it's.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
Over, except for Jane Magill, Jaydean Daniels hit Terry McClure
in the incomparable one swears.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Through the defense touchdown. Oh my god, sorry, I apologize.
It was just the most amazing thing you could possibly imagine,
because Terry McLaurin is the most never st He's incredible,
and it's twenty It's it's twenty seven, twenty six, Dallas pandemonium.
Except there's a little voice in the back of your
head that said, didn't Cybert miss an extra point earlier

(22:12):
in this game? Isn't he back from injury? Eddie misses
wide left? Did you see where he put his plant foot?

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, it had no chance of The broadcast brought it
up too right. Then, right before they got to the
extra point, they're like, yeah, this is all kind.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Of big for everybody. Saw there head twenty seven to
twenty six, twenty one seconds left. The game's over, right,
not exactly on sidekick, declared wan Ye Thomas, my hero,
not to be confused with wan Ye Morris or Kanye West.
He stupidly takes it to the house thirty four to
twenty six. So there's fourteen seconds left. But now Washington

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conceivably could still tie. This Eckler returns at thirty eight
yards before he gets popped, washingt at their own thirty
six nine seconds left. Get it to the forty two
Hail Mary picked ballgame. Finally you have your final Dallas
thirty four, wash it in twenty six. I hate you, Dallas,
Dallas minus five and a half against the Giant.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
You're a little heavy Cowboys four right now.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
I hate you at the bottom of my heart. That's
all I gotta say. Coming back, We're guessing.

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We get tweets at beating the book. Always appreciate the feedback.
John Boudoutzi real convo with my son playing Madden. Me,
why do you keep throwing bombs? Son? So I can
score faster? Me? You should run the ball and matriculate
it down the field? Son? What does matriculate mean? Me?

(24:08):
I have no idea. Son, looks at me, Hail Mary
for touchdown, sugar up. Matriculated by the way, because we
get this, we get this every week, right, somebody tweets
it about this. I know I'm using it incorrectly. It
is a tribute to Super Bowl four and the NFL
films footage of Hank Stram, the then coach of the
Kansas City Chiefs, who ended up winning that Super Bowl
against the Minnesota Vikings, telling his players just keep matriculating

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the ball down the field. So that's what it's.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
It's incredible. It's incredible. The fact that you could just
like change that's in sports. We've changed the definition or
added to the definition of a word, is just amazing.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Blue hen Bill, as my Texans ticket went up in flames, Yessoud,
I couldn't help but remember your guessing lines prediction on
that very game with perceived value on Tennessee. Did you
end up playing Tennessee? I did not because I don't trust.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Them, but yeah, we had nice weekend. If those done something.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Stringfellow Hawk, I grabbed the second half over twenty and
a half in the Commodes game. That was a hell
of a half a football. Good for you, and he says,
I've already hate that's the Giants in the game against
the Cowboys. Gil's guys sounding like Toddy during his commander's recap.
Great stuff, Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Director Isaiah Wrinkles saying the same thing.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah. Todd Wishnev, who literally I want to call him
medic in for every Megapod when he does he's always
a busting on one of my plays because he does
a half game lead over me and he goes, wait,
I'm hearing what the It's always a I always he's
always predicting a loss of one of my bets that
always involves a pylon at the end of the game,
and he goes nuts doing it. That's good stuff. Beating

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the book Megapod. Okay, we got tons of games to
get to but oh, the one last thing about the
old Washington game, people were texting me about. They're like,
oh is it? Is this going to be Hail Miriam
Part two? Hail Miriam Part two? Attribute to my mom
except for one thing. I never had a conversation with
my mom about extra points, Like she knew nothing about it.
What do you mean there's another point? Yeah we didn't.

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We didn't cover that part. Yeah, all right. Still on Thursday, Yeah,
still on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Thursday night, I was just trying to pull up my networks.
Is this Amazon's right? This is your I believe this is.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Your Amazon stream.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
We're just trying to get networks for Where is that Friday?

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, yeah, that's Friday because it's Black Friday. Yeah, you're right, Yeah,
this is TBD. Kelly will figure it out. Dolphins at Packers.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
I'm gonna guess the NFL network, but I could be wrong.
Dolphins and Packers, all right, Dolphins the sneaky in the
playoff picture. Still yeah, a game and a half behind
the Broncos for the final spot in the AFC NBC.
Of course they're five and six. We've got that wrong.
New England. Second time they had the ball, sly forty
five yard try hits the right up right, No, good
and that was that was basically their their biggest moment

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to glimmer of hope in the game, because then it
was all Miami eight play sixty five yards two at
a John Wu from seven out seven and nothing. New
England three and out. Miami nine plays sixty six yards
two at a eight Chan from nine out, fourteen to nothing.
New England three and outs. Miami ten plays eighty yards
two at eighth and from eleven twenty one to nothing.
Miami New England three and a half Sanders field goal
twenty four to nothing at the half. Do you need
to know anything else about this game? I don't think

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you do.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Maybe stop playing so much man defense New England.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Oh, the only other part is New England third and
three at the at midfield May sacked by Zach Sealer,
fumbles recovered by Jordan Brooks that set up Miami at
the New England twenty five. They actually got it to
thirty one to nothing two it a Jalen Waddell final
score thirty four to fifteen. Because New England for those
who had Miami and survivor, I'm sure thirty four to
thirty one to nothing was not comfortable enough because New

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England did get a new England did get a touchdown
on fourth and fifteen at the Miami thirty eight when
May just basically threw the ball up deep in Hooper
caught it downfield to make it thirty one to seven.
And then there was a Jalen Right fumble for Miami
returned by Christian Gonzales sixty three yards to the house
two point try good to make it thirty one to

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fifteen early fourth quarter, but they never got closer than that.
Thirty four to fifteen Miami going away. Five and six
are the Dolphins glimmer glimmer of hope to a three
hundred and seventeen yards passing by the way should be
pointed out. And then green Bay taking on a Brock
Purty less Niners team and the Niners depth chart at

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quarterback is Brandon Allen in front of Josh Dobbs. Green
Bay first drive sixty seven yards loved to Tucker Craft
from eleven out seven and nothing. Mcmannus would make it
ten to nothing. Next time green Bay had the ball
after that seventy one yards Jacob's in from one seventeen
to nothing. The Packers were just rolling and then the
Niners showed some life sixty five yard drive alan a

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Kittle from three out seventeen to seven. Lafleur didn't use
a timeout oddly on that drive, and then Green Bay
had a deep ball that Dobbs just flat out dropped
that he could have taken to the house, so seventeen
to seven. But then so the second half begins, so
it's not really a double dip, but a de facto
double dip, big debo return, but it was nullified by penalty,

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and so that was kind of it. San Francisco next
time they had the ball after that, because that drive
didn't do anything. Third and eight at the green Bay
forty five, Allen, picked by Xavier McKinney, threw Deebo's hands,
returned at forty eight yards. They were set up at
the San Francisco twenty six. Three plays later a PI
on Dobbs in the end zone Jacobs in from one
twenty four to seven. At twenty four to ten, San

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Francisco would at first and five at their own fifteen
Allen hit by Lucas van Ness, he fumbled recovered by
Kenny Clark. That set up green Bay at San Francisco
fifteen to craft touchdown. Excuse me, you've done too at
sixteen to Kraft for fifteen. Two plays later Jacobs in
from one thirty one to ten. The final was thirty
eight to ten after a CMC fumble later that was
recovered by Carl Brooks that set up green Bay thirty

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eight to ten. They absolutely rolled the Niners. And someone
was asking me, hey, Niners can't be in your power
rankings anymore, not with Brock Purdy. They can't be. They're
not even They're not even a consideration at that point.
Green Bay. So it's Miami at green Bay, which is
a sneaky kind of good game on Thursday night. I'm
gonna say green Bay minus four and a half.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Okay, So this opened on the other side, this opened
three and a half for most places. I believe Weird
Dolphin's been taking a lot of money. There are a
lot of threes out there now. It is mainly juiced threes.
We are three flat at South Point because they don't
go more than minus one ten, and there are three
and a half's out there as well, three and a
half at DraftKings right now.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Wow, there are threes still out there.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
You said, yeah, it's come down to three Dolphins have
been getting bet here early.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
This is still a Miami team going outdoors at night
in Green Bay.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Right, Yes, yeah, correct.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
I like the Packers, I really do. I like the
Packers in this game as as met as Jordan Love
has been playing as compared to last year. Let's go
to Friday's game. Squeeze it in.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, I might be with you on that one. I
haven't bet it yet. Raiders at Chiefs. This is Friday three,
eastern noon Pacific.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
The two and nine Raiders and the ten and one Chiefs.
Raiders lose to the Broncos. We'll get to the Broncos later.
But the Broncos I mean all the credit in the
world of Sean Payton and bone Nicks. I've said it
for about a month now. That is as hard as
I am on Sean Payton, and deservedly so, I think,
both for off the field stuff and for being overrated
on the field through the years. This is his finest job,

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and bo Nix has improved so much in this and
the twenty nine to nineteen win was just another display
of that. Three to nothing. Denver Dylan Labbe fifty nine
yard kickff return for the Raiders led to Minshew to Abdullah,
six yard touchdown pass seven to three. It would be
they would just trade field goals the rest of the
half thirteen to nine Raiders into the second half, then

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a second and fourteen Raiders first drive second half, second
and fourteen at their own thirty four. Minshew pick by
Brandon Jones returns at thirty seven yards set up Denver
at the Raiders eighteen second play, Nicks to Sutton touchdown
sixteen thirteen. Denver takes the lead. With ten forty nine
left in the third quarter, they would trade field goals
nineteen sixteen. Now Denver seventy yard drive for the Broncos,

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Knicks to Sutton from two out twenty six to sixteen
with five thirty left, and Denver does a great job
of managing when they're up Carlson, We'll get a twenty
two yard field goal to make it twenty six to
nineteen uh and then Vegas eventually would take take over
the ball down touchdown at their own twenty four with
three twelve left. Drama right nothing. Minshaw immediately sacked knocked

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out on the first play. Turns out he has a
broken collar bone. He's out for the season. Two plays
later Ridder strip sacked by Nick Benito, Malcolm Roach recovers
Denver Lut's thirty three yard field will twenty nine to
nineteen with one to fifty six left Las Vegas. Remember
what the spread is here, Kelly? Six points right, they're
down ten are the Raiders. They get it to first
and call at the diverst and goal at the doorstep,

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not even the one the doorstep like an inch away
or two inches away. With twenty seconds left, Ridder incomplete.
Then with sixteen seconds left, what's the one thing you
can't do here, Kelly?

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Turn the ball up?

Speaker 5 (32:44):
No, take a sack, we take a sack anything, clock
runs out. Play go Brocos, get the money.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
What are you doing? What are you doing? Coach them up,
Coach the kid up, Antonio piars Uh that's your Raiders,
by the way. And then the Chiefs they could you
get credit as much as credit I want to give
to bo Nicks. Give credit to Bryce Young serviceable twenty
one up thirty five for two sixty two. This was
a game where the Chiefs led, you know, twenty to six,

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then twenty to nine Carolina. In the second half they
got it to twenty to fifteen and then they wanted
to go for two, but they had a false start,
so they had they had to kick the ashtra poyts,
so was twenty to sixteen, and then Mahomes bullet to
Hopkins from three out twenty seven to sixteen. Kansas City
with two forty two late third quarter and then at
twenty seven to nineteen, down one possession right a touchdown

(33:34):
in a two point conversion. Carolina sort of fakes out.
I don't mean fakes out literally, but they run a
play with two to one left on a fourth and three.
They convert Bryce to feeling for thirteen. Then a PI
in the end zone. Next play chub In from one
twenty seven to twenty five PI on a two point
drive from the one Hubbard in. We're tied at twenty
seven with one forty six left, and then Mahomes thirty
three yard run you know, Schrader thirty one yard field goal.

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That's what it's set up. Thirty to twenty seven Kansas
City ekes by Eeks Bye. This's got to be more
than ten. I'll say eleven and a half.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
We are out to thirteen or thirteen and a half,
depending on where you shot.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Kansas City favored over the Raiders on Friday, on Black Friday.
We'll get to Sunday.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Next numbers game, one said the Sports Vetting Network.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Back at Circa here on a numbers game, Pardos for
those listening in Spanish, Gila Alexander Kelly Bidland live from
Circa Resort Casino Downtown, Las Vegas, Nevada, Majestic beautiful Downtown.
We get tweets at beating the book, John Massey, John
Madden Game, and Lambeau on NBC on Thursday night. At
least you don't have to recap the Jets this week.
Good point. Hey, Larry Fresh is out here in the

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sports book. He says, I'm out in the book watching live,
listening on my headphones because they don't have you all
on the mains on the main screen. Yeah, they always
take us down.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Oh there is Larry's waving.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
He's waving.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
I was like, I bet you we can see him.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Bro Sik, I used to do that every tweeters and
we'll just stop the show, will wave Bro sec eighteen seventy.
What franchise doesn't have the boundary camp sounds like a
Bear's move, But that's wrong. Maybe the Browns, but it
wouldn't surprise me if it was the New York teams
just going through the league figuring out who does that
boundary camps? Spence, can we talk about how US Raider
ticket holders were two inches from the back door cover? Oh?

(35:20):
We just did. Also my third leg of grant of
green Bay minus six and Seattle plus one. Oh, he
lost to Parlay on that torch Day caught the Panthers
live at fifteen to one with about two minutes left
in the game. Panthers score, convert the two, but they
leave Patrick hit the cash out button, Mahomes ninety seconds
to score. They don't call them that for nothing. I

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cashed out for five times my original bet. Good for you. Awesome,
But it brings to mind before we get back to
these camps. It brings to mind a larger conversation, which
is you look at your standings and the Chiefs are ten,
ten and one. Honestly, where do they rank right now?

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Isn't this the option of the Lions conversation we had it?

Speaker 1 (36:03):
It is the opposite, is they are exactly It's the start,
Patrick Mahomes, I can put on my cape for sixty
minutes in January, so don't worry about what you're watching now.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, this is uh, this is Rounders, this is this
is grinding my way through the regular season. Get get
me to the main event of the playoffs, where I
trust this team way more because we.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Fell for this last year. I'm not doing it again, Gil, Nope,
not doing it again.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
I'll make a stupid bets against him in the regular season,
but I'm not doing it in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah. And they're never great at covering these big spreads
during the regular season a thing. Yeah, not that.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Like I'm actually betting them, but I just I feel
like every week someone's like, oh, Jeeves, they gotta hammer,
they gotta hammer the Panthers, Right, I'm like, I I'm
not laying that number.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
What's next?

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Sunday morning or afternoon if you're on the East Coast
one o'clock Eastern Chargers at Falcons.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Starters play the Ravens tonight. I am on the Ravens
big tonight at two and a half, Ravens minus two
and a half and in the Horror Bowl if you will,
John over Jim tonight, Ravens over the Chargers. This was
my favorite bet of the week when we did guessing
lines last time.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, I got to you had a response out of me.
I don't know how many times I've heard Gil Alexander
say big in front of a bet on this show.
I like it.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
That's pretty big. Who's this Chargers at Atlanta? You said, yep,
so Chargers site unseen Atlanta off of by the seven
and three currently Chargers, the six and five Falcons, and
the Falcons better get it together because they got the
Bucks right behind him with a really easy schedule knocking
at the dough. I'm gonna say Atlanta. I'll split the

(37:32):
difference between the pick them and the three. I'll say
Atlanta minus one and a half.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Fascinating. I feel like this has happened a couple a
lot this year. Gil, you and I kind of have
seeing things the same led to a bet here for me,
we're on the other side. This is Chargers one.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
And a half. The market loves this Charger, yes, they do,
loves this Chargers team.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
They do. There are pick thems out there. I mean,
this is shop around, but this was one. I took
a plus money money line on the Falcons. I mean
at home with the Chargers. We haven't seen him yet tonight.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
It's just say this. This will dramatically move it one
way or the other time.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah, yeah it will now. Yeah, not a big opening
bet for me, But I kind of saw it the
same way, and I'm like, you're gonna give me plus
money on the money line at home, I'll take at
least a little bit of it on the open. It's
the exact same way I saw it.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
I mean, I didn't even if, even if on the
wrong side of this in terms of who I think
is favored.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
It's not like I'm recent a at the Falcons.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Next, Steelers at the Bengals. Steelers extra rest again losing
to the Browns on Thursday night in the snow. They're
eight and three at Cincinnata. The four and seven Bengals
still harboring playoff hopes, because that's what you do with
playoff hope, s Kelly, you harbor them. I'm gonna say
the same thing. By the way, Pittsburgh held Cleveland U

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to one of ten on third down but four of
four on fourth Again on Thursday, I'll do the same thing.
Cincinnati split the difference between a field goal and pick
them Cincinnati by one and a half. I'm on the
wrong side of this too.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
No, no, no, you're fighting out. No, you're close. This is Bengals,
like two and a half. It's been Oh, this has
been interesting early betting because it has hit I think
it's hit three a couple plays. I was just trying
to scan that as you were going through stuff. How
about that it's hitting three. It's hit three. But every
time it hits three, it gets bet right back down.
So it is two and a half across pretty much
across the board I'm looking at right now, Bengals. It's
a juice two and a half time.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
I would have guessed that I would have been more
off on this game than I was in the previous one. Interesting,
So the market really does like the Chargers and the
Bengals both. Yeah, typically week to week next all right,
Cardinals at Vikings. Cardinals lose to the Seahawks in what
was a big NFC West game but was kind of

(39:44):
a black game. Yeah, three to nothering Arizona Seattle. Gino
to Jackson Smith and Jigba the big one mostly Yack
for forty six sets up Gino to JSN from three
out three plays later, seven to three Seattle late second quarter.
That was a score at the half. Arizona first time
they got the ball down four. Now in the second half,
fourth and one at the Seattle forty, Kyler goes right

(40:04):
and then he floats a pass, horrible pass on the run,
trying to dump it short. He sails it and Kobe
Bryant picks it sixty nine yards to the hiszy Myers
misses the extra point. Thirteen to three, Seattle, Seattle. Next
time they got the ball, first play, fourth quarter, third
and six of the Arizona eighteen. They're about to blow
this open Gino picked in the end zone by Garrett Williams,
Arizona eighty yard drive. Kyler to Michael Wilson for thirty

(40:27):
great catch, but it only sets up a Ryland twenty
two yard field goal that had to settle thirteen to
six Seattle. Now we're in the fourth quarter. Then Meyers
fifty yard are by sex of the upright, sixteen to six.
And then this is the difference right between the the
you know the dan Quinn thing we talked about, which is,
hey kick the field goal early because you're down two
scores and you have a shot. Arizona's down two scores.

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They completely botched the time management down two scores and
then just sort of serves him right. Ryland misses the
forty seven yard field will try anyway, sixteen to six,
Seattle wins it. It's like, dude, deuce, either get it
in the end zone quick. If you in failing that,
you know, shot in the end zone, just kick the
field goal early. They did neither. They did neither. McBride,

(41:11):
by the way, twelve catches for one thirty three in defeat.
We talked about Minnesota's win over Chicago the nine and
two Vikings. Sam Darnold yesterday twenty two of thirty four
for three thirty Addison eight for one sixty two DC
zone and a touchdown, Hockinson seven for one to fourteen
Jones twenty two carries for one hundred and six yards
and a touchdown four hundred and fifty two. Totally odds

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for the Vikings. I'll say, Vikings by four.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
This is yeah, you're dead on Vikings four, nine.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
And two Minnesota Vikings.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
How are you feeling about them?

Speaker 1 (41:44):
That's also an inflated record.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
That's what that's when you and I have gone back
and forth with this team. Three and a halves out
there too, although we have.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Four Aaron shots Dvoa has them high. He has them
as a top five team.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, oh yeah, they're up there at PFF. I believe too. Man,
this Cardinals team, this is where I like Matt Brown
and I talked about this was the scariest team to
bet on or bet against.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
I want to love this Cardinals team. But man, they're tough. Man.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Sometimes they just lay in a Yesterday that was a
bad game. Next all right, Next up, Colts at Patriots.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
I don't love any of these so far except for
except for you know, it's what I like the best
so far. I like that Green Bays only three points
against Miami. That's my favorite so far. What's next?

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Colt sat.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Patriots five and seven. Colts still harboring playoff hopes despite
their loss yesterday at the three and nine Patriots, not
harboring much of anything.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
You threw me off of that joke initially because I
thought you were gonna go with a harbuying or something. Yeah,
I'm already. I'm already preparing for the horrible harbor packages
and jokes today.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Oh I know. Indianapolis held the two hundred and sixty
eight total yards and their loss yesterday to the Lions
and only eleven first downs. The Patriots held the two
hundred and sixty nine total yards against the Dolphins. Something's
got to give Colts by three. This is Colts two
and a half, not even getting the full three.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
South Points got three up. A couple of shops with three.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
But you know why. I guess Chrissy likes my number better.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
That's that's right, Chrissie likes your number better. It is
mainly two and a.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Half though, juice to the indie side. Um, all right,
let's do another.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
Okay, raising three cru Seahawks at Jets.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
This one's quick, all right.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
The six and five Seahawks, who now are co leaders
of the NFC West with Arizona. They're both six and five,
and the Rams and the Niners are both five and six.
Six and five Seahawks at the three and eight Jets.
You're right to the uh to the person who tweeted
and said we don't have to recap the Jets, thank goodness,
because they were idle Seattle minus. I know how much

(43:46):
the market loves the Jets irrationally, so it's probably only
Seattle minus three.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Okay, this is very interesting. We are Seattle one and
a half at DraftKings Wow, Westgate has two and a
half up on this game, and Circa just open pick him.
So we are a little all over the place where
Circa just went to pick him.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I should say, how about the reports that Aaron Rodgers
wants to play but just not with the Jets next year?
How about that this guy? Do we all find it?
Do you all finally get how how ridiculous this guy
is yet? Do we all get that yet? I want
to say, remember last year when I was screaming at
you all about oh, he can't come back from the Achilles.
He's talking Schmack, and all these hack doctors on Twitter

(44:30):
were like, oh, yeah, he's right, he can go back. No,
everything he talks about, his nonsense.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
I want to say, who'd make that gamble to bring
him in?

Speaker 1 (44:37):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
There's so many bad football teams.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
You do not want this dude on your franchise. Plus
he's gonna be forty one. What are you doing? What
do you think he can give you?

Speaker 2 (44:46):
He's not giving anything right.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Now except for pure chaos stress. I can come up
with other words, but the segment's ending more guessing lines,
looking for value. It's a numbers game at vasis the
sports betting network.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
The numbers told the story they always do. It's one
of those idiots who believe in the analytics.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
This is a numbers game with Gil Alexander, our.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Number two, but numbers game at Visa, these sports betting Network,
Visa dot Com, Game plus, iHeart Radio, YouTube TV. Have
you taken this s in? We appreciate it. It's Gil Alexander,
It's my little buddy, Kelly Bidlin. Everybody here, producer number nine,
so much more than a producer. You and I were just, Oh,
you're about to re read a text or something right there.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Oh, I might have to say. I got a I
got a tweet real quick. I pulled up from an
underdog comparing Adrian Peterson's twenty twelve season MVP that year, right,
that was the one you want MVP to versus twenty
twenty four. Saquon and guys, I think we have a
Saquon Barkley graphic ascent of odds movement rush yards through
eleven games, twelve thirty six for Peterson, thirteen ninety two

(45:54):
for Saquon Barkley, total touchdown seven for Adrian Peterson, twelve
for Saquon Barkley, rush yards per game one hundred and
twelve vers. One hundred and twenty.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Six and Saquon from November twenty first, which is what
four days ago.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, this Thursday to day, he was plus.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
One oh five for Offensive Player of the Year. He's
now minus three ten because he totally is now the
favorite for Offensive Player of the Year, as he should be.
MVP has gone from forty to one to five to one.
Only Lamar and Josh Allen a shorter in the MVP market.
We haven't gotten to the Eagles game from last night,
but Saquon had twenty six carries for two hundred and

(46:33):
fifty five yards rushing now two point fifty five. That
is the Eagles franchise record that he set last night,
two hundred fifty five. It's one of the ten greatest
rushing games in the history of the NFL. By the way,
he also got four passes for forty seven yards. He
is on pace for twenty one fifty one. That would
break Eric Dickerson's all time record of twenty one oh five,

(46:55):
which he said in nineteen eighty four. His five hundred
yards from scrimmage over the last two games are the
most since Sweetness Walter Payton did it in nineteen seventy seven,
and his third game this year last night, he had
over three hundred yards in scrimmage. His third game last
night with one hundred and ninety five plus yards from scrimmage.
The rest of the NFL has three combined.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Absurd.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
That is absurd.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
He was that tweet kind of stopped you by tracks
just because I saw this odds movement, and my initial
reaction Gill was great, He's awesome. No chance MVP in
today's NFL. No chance five to one. You gotta make
that three times is long at least. But man, you
start dominating what Adrian Peterson did that year. Okay, it's

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a conversation.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Well, when you start mentioning Eric Dickerson and Walter Payton, yes,
more so than even that, the question becomes, though, do
you buy into the Aaron Shotts thing? Right? Aaron shots
is one of the fifty voters, he says, the way
he votes is MVP is a quarterback. Defensive Player of
the Year is the sort of repository for everybody else

(48:03):
who's not a quarterback. The question that I always ask
him is do you feel of the other forty nine?
Do you think most think your way, he goes. I
don't know, some do, some don't.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, And I think I think most years that's how
I look at it too. I think it's tough though,
when you have guys like Josh Allen Lamar Jackson have
been so good, and when you already look at it
that way, I think it's tough to put a running
back up.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
There and the Ravens, the Ravens and the Eagles play,
don't they coming up? Yes? Okay, so you'll have Lamar
Jackson and you'll have Lamar Jackson and Saquon on the
field together. You have Lamar Jackson on Monday Night Football tonight,
twenty five touchdown passes in three picks.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
It's gonna be tough to beat that.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
It's tough. It's tough to overcome that. Him and Josh Allen.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Josh Allen blongs up there in that conversation too. But
if I had to make a bet right now, would
be on Lamar.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Yeah. The thing is, also, if you do the literal
MVP discussion, if you're like, okay, let's talk about it
literally speaking most valuable player. The way that I like
to think about that is, Okay, if you remove that
player from that team, what does that team become? Well,
if you remove Josh Allen from the Bills, yeah, what
the hell?

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Or they I mean, then it's then it's then it
is Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes for sure, right right then
Patrick Mahomes. Would he goes back in that conversation. I
don't care about interceptions. I don't care about anything like
that because he keeps winning.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
You ball came, oh, we'll have Drew on tomorrow. Drew Denzik.
I think he I heard that he made a big
bet on man Mahomes to win MVP. I think mon
Asano told me that.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
I think he brought it up the last last week
or the week before that. He still liked him and
those odds. I just don't see that happening. But anyway,
just an amazing performance and I just want to take
the flip side of that before we get to the games.
The flip side of that is everybody is obviously killing
Joe Shane of the Giants the GM. If you watch
the hard Knocks, the preseason hard Knocks on the Giants,
it was great because they really let you behind the

(49:49):
scenes of the Giants and all the decision making about
letting Saquon go, and then the angst of the owner. Please,
i'd you know, I'd hate it if he ended up
with Phil That's where he ended up. And it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Because people don't like to hold two thoughts in their
head at the same time, right, because it's very easy
to just destroy them for letting Saquon Barkley go. And
if you're a Giants fan, none of this is going
to give you solace. Let me just say that in advance.
Either way, you guys are miserable, and I get it,
but I do want to say this the Giants mistake.
And we've said this. I've said this on a numbers

(50:23):
game for the entire duration of a numbers game. Some team,
because you could only win a Super Bowl with a
quarterback over performing on a rookie deal or with a
Hall of Famer. It is incumbent upon some team that
drafts a quarterback high to say, you know what, we're
not going to give this guy nine figures. We are
not going to succumb to this. As much as we

(50:44):
thought he was our guy, he's not our guy. I
remember I used to say it when the Rams had
Jared Goff. I used to say that the Rams should
be the first team that have built everybody around Jared
Goff that should move on from Jared Goff. Now, they
ended up getting to a super Bowl, and they ended
up trading him. It was a whole different thing, but
the point being that their mistake was paying Daniel Jones,
and every decision thereafter was because of that decision. So

(51:06):
when you pay Daniel Jones the big contract, then it
followed in a vacuum that actually signing a twenty seven
year old running back to a team with a bad
offensive line and a team that's probably not going anywhere
in a vacuum, that's actually kind of a sound decision.
You can't really blame them for that. What you can

(51:28):
blame them for, though, is the fact that you allocated
all those resources to the quarterback who wasn't going to
do anything, who, by the way, is not on your
team now anyway either. That's where the problem starts. So
you can kill Shane for that, the sort of retroactive
I can't believe they didn't keep Saquon Barkley. I get
why they let him go. I get it.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
So, yes, in each situation is different, right, But I
do think one of the things we've seen in the
NFL this year is hey, some of these stud running
backs still matter. And it's not just Saquon level, right,
I mean, it's Joe Mixon down in Houston, it's Aaron
jonezones in Minnesota. These guys that are good and have
been doing it well for a while are smattering to
these football teams.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Taequon would have made the Giants incrementally better, but they wouldn't.
They would they have gone to the playoffs, by the way,
And I was the guy who was saying to remember
when they had the year and day Bowl became the
coach of the year, I was the guy who had
the all season unders on them. The next year, everybody
thought I was crazy because day Ball got credit for
stuff that wasn't him. That the Giants defense and offense
were so good inside the twenties and then the red

(52:27):
zone they were magically I mean, they were so bad
inside the twenties, as you say, and then in the
red zone they were magically great. That's not day Ball, right,
that's a very you know, regress to the mean kind
of thing. And sure enough they stunk after that. And
by the way, Daball and Shane are both gonna be
gone day. Ball's gonna lose his job, probably justifiably Shane

(52:50):
because he was there, he was the GM when they
paid Jones. He should probably lose his job because of that.
But the Saquon stuff, and again, like I'm saying, it's
not gonna make Giants fans happy, but yeah, for you
guys either way. But like the people who are talking
about that in a vacuum, in a vacuum, I get it.
And by the way, thirty two other teams. This is
the thing that I'm talking about with the old you know,

(53:10):
numbers game in philosophy about one of these quarterbacks who
you clearly see is not gonna be a Hall of Famer.
You have to resist the temptation, right, you have to
resist the temptation. But it's so hard because then you're
worried about the alternative. If we don't pay dak, if
we don't pay Kirk Cousins, if we don't pay fill
in the blank, what's the alternative? And it takes a
remarkable amount of onions to do that.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
The thing is, I think it's for me. I think
it's only gonna get worse with what you see in
college football right now? Are these kids that we've now
gotten to the point with the transfer portal where it's, oh,
you're gonna bench me because I'm not playing well, I'm
out of here, right And then the kid Boston Colleges
do do that this year. Fine, I got benched, I'm
off the team. I'm transferring. Immediately, get me away from here.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Let's squeeze one in here, all right.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Titans at Commander's Early Window On Sunday.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Titans beat the Houston Texans. This game was sort of
bananas too. Damian Pierce eighty yard takeoff return to start
for the Texans. First place Stroud de cad Stover with
fourteen forty two left in the first seven and zhering Texans,
You're like, oh, we know this is going to go
Noop seven to three. Houston Tennessee ten plays eighty nine

(54:14):
yard drive Billy Levi's to Westbrook Akine wide open from
thirty eight out right after Levis converted a fourth and
one on the naked bootle like ten to seven Titans
late first quarter. Next time they got the ball, ninety
five yard drive started with an incredible seventeen yard pollered
run where he bounced out to the left, ending with
a Pollared ten yard touchdown run set up by Levester
Ridley sixty three yard hookup two plays earlier seventeen to

(54:38):
seven Titans. Could this be Houston's like nah seventy eight
yard drive Stroud to Collins from five out to Dell
from thirty nine the big chunk seventeen to fourteen Tennessee
first and tendeth the Houston thirty two Pollard hit by
Tim Centle fumbles. Mario Edwards Junior recovers Stroud to Collins
for fifty six to start the drive. Suirlelyy, Houston's going
to take the lead? No, They settle for a fair
baron field goal twenty eight yard seventeen apiece and then

(55:00):
Houston trying to run out the clock second and ten
from their own fourteen in the first half Stroud picked
by Jarvis Brownlee Junior, that set up a Folk fifty
six yarder to make it twenty to seventeen Tennessee at
the half. It get to twenty three to seventeen after
sunk a fifty one yarder Houston second and tenth their
own twenty five. Stroud picked by Kenneth Murray, Tennessee set
up at the Houston thirty nine third play, third and

(55:21):
eleven at the Houston forty Jimmy Ward sixty yard pick six,
and the entire game changes. Heughs Tennessee was in such
control of this, the former oilers, if you will such
control of this. And now all of a sudden, the
Texans take the twenty four to twenty three lead with
seconds eleven and third quarter. Then Houston would have a
three and out, but a punt return was fumbled by

(55:43):
Jakwan Jackson. Chris Boyd recovers led to a fairbaron fifty
four yard field goal is record twelfth of the year
fifty plus. That's a record twelve of those this year
for fairbaron twenty seven to twenty three, Houston nine to
forty six left, first play, Levis to Chigokonko for seventy
Where was the defense? Touchdown? Thirty to twenty seven Titans.

(56:03):
What a game? And then fair Bairn misses a twenty
eight yarder wide left the guy who's made twelve from
fifty plus with one fifty three left. Next time, Houston
had the ball because they had one more chance, one
more chance. After a sack by Jeffrey Simmons, third and
seventeen at their own one. Stroud sacked by Harol Landry
safety thirty two to twenty seven on side free kick.

(56:24):
They got to declare that as well. I do declare
their own side free kick. Tennessee recovers ball game thirty
two to twenty seven. Titans, they do it. They're at Washington. Yeah,
were already talked about that. Seven and five Washington, three
and eight Tennessee, Washington based on what they were favored
last week. I'll say by six here.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Yeah, you're about right on at five and a half's
mainly out there right now, but five to.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Six a must win situation for the taco holders of Washington.
Let's go coming back more guessing line six.

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Speaker 4 (57:58):
Yeah, sure, you guys are all Jason today JC five
six two zero seven six again because zero seven five
was taken heading to Vegas Friday, starting at Fountain Blue
looking for a traditional Thanksgiving meal.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Any recommendations, Happy Thanksgiving, numbers game, family, Happy Thanksgiving to you?
J C five six two zero seven six is your
real name?

Speaker 2 (58:24):
I have enjoyed the the South Point Buffet a couple
times on Thanksgiving. That's a good go to.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah, you know what, maybe chef Chef Keith does a
great job down there. What do they do in the
actual they do a Thanksgiving bus.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
I think it's been a couple of years since I've
been now, so don't hold me to it. Check on
it first, but.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Yes, you know what I mean, we'll do that. Maybe
I'll do That's a great suggestion. Brian moriannon completely hypothetical.
But what if I told you to Rod Taylor was
starting for the Jets. Does that bring you closer to
the minus one and a half in favor of Seattle?
I don't know, because there's the thing Torot Taylor ended
up being like eighth in my backup quarterback rankings. The

(59:04):
problem is we haven't seen him for years really playing was.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
He also didn't he have like a rough preseason preseason.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
His his superpower in his career was always that he
doesn't turn the ball over. But again his we haven't
seen a bulk of play from him for a few years.
Jed O'Connor. Hard to feel bad, Aaron Rodgers. The window
was last year. If fate has it, another championship isn't
meant to happen. Yeah, the window lasted four plays jud
before the before the Achilles, Andrew Wrinn cornbread Ceriso stuffing

(59:36):
game changer. Oh boy, oh boy, burn bread Curriso's stuffing.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Let me know what time I should come over. I'll
bring a whiskey.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
This reminds me of people. You know, the best breakfast
burrito in San Francisco has fried chicken and tater tots
in it. It's like, are we cheating with that? Because
it's just it's just unbelievably good. But that cornbread Cherriso's stuffing,
torch Dads. I think the notion that MVP is a
quarterback only award is hogwash. Saquan is the most valuable

(01:00:05):
player on one of the best teams in the league,
and look at the remaining schedule. Here's the question. He says,
if MVP goes to a running back, would Offensive Player
of the Year go to a quarterback. My answer to
that last question is yes, yeah, you would. I think
so absolutely would so too. Corbin. Good morning, guys. I'm sorry.
If I show up at Thanksgiving dinner and there are
Raisins in any capacity, I'm leaving immediately and not coming

(01:00:27):
back next year. Raisins do not belong anywhere near Thanksgiving. Sorry,
not sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Oh, completely agree.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Oh, Roger Jones, this is unbelievable. He goes wild. Guess here,
you recently watch the murder of Air McNair. All right,
this is a little creepy because I did. How do
you know that, Roger? He didn't say, have you? He
goes you recently watched the murder of Air McNair. I have?
But why did you know that I watched that? That's

(01:00:54):
a little that's a bit of a creepy tweet.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Well, what a maybe hatch or streaming service? Which one
is it on?

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Did I say something from that that they came out
on the show? Otherwise these Netflix sort of watching what
I'm watching and tapped into my stream Netflix. Oh so,
off the air, we were having a discussion as we do,
and you know, we're just I was just thinking, like,
what is the headline like if you had to at
this point through twelve weeks of the NFL season, if

(01:01:22):
you had to write a headline, And obviously there were
obvious ones Detroit ten and one maybe the best team
all this, But I honestly think like, when I look
back at the first twelve weeks of this NFL season,
it's what you and I just talked about this is
the year of the bizarro kicker performance, where we talked
about this a lot the first bunch of weeks of

(01:01:43):
the season. Nobody misses long field goals anymore, to the
point fifty plus, to the point where teams were settling
for fifty plus yard field goals to win games at
the end. Remember we had that Butcker game where cheeess
are like, yeah, I'm just kicked the fifty one yard
and we'll win it. Whereas again, you know, in the eighties,
Mark Moseley won a NFL MVP in nineteen eighty two,

(01:02:06):
never kicking one past fifty yards and only making five
between forty and forty nine, like it's just it's unbelievable thing.
But simultaneously with that statement is never have we seen
a season where kickers have made so many And I
agree with what you were saying off air, and never
have we seen one where they're missing like the chippiest
of chips.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
I mean the blocks, the misses that I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
We go well extra points now too, right, I mean we.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Got kiders talking about low trajectories like trajectory bro like
it's it's I wrote down a few things just of
things I've noticed the offensive line gaps between teams. Some
of these teams that are just so good on the
offensive line rolling through the rest of the league, while
so other teams they've got pieces with the offensive lines terrible.
I think one the other one stands it. This all

(01:02:50):
comes off us talking about the running backs last segment.
The other one that's so obvious to be just watching
this year. There are so many good nickelbacks in the
league because it's a great one. It's so important you
play out of that five defensive back set so much
more often now. And these nickel backs are asked to
do so much at the line of scrimmage with receivers.
But in these outside corners they can't tackle at all.

(01:03:14):
That like, they wear nothing, shoulder bads. We're just concerned
about them covering big you know, we're big receivers downfield,
and whenever you see a Saquad Barkley or something run
it at these guys, you're like, oh, they got no chance.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Cooper to Jane no bigger than with the Eagles. Yeah,
him into the lineup. It's been a change. Let's go
to another game here, Okay, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
We are on Texans at Jaguars.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Blufinacaro textan, Hey Gil, thanks. She just reminded me I
have to get a small box of Raisins for my dressing.
What was the game?

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Texans and Jaguars seven and five.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Texans two and nine. Jaguars, who right now are the
leader in the clubhouse for the number one pick in
the draft. Houston held the two hundred and sixty total
yards against Tennessee Houston minus five and a half. I'll
put it in no man's land.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Yeah, that is exactly where we're at on this game.
Some five wanted to see where this mood we are
five and a half. Basically, everyone, I should say this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Remember how before the season this looked like it was
going to be a late season mega matchup in the
AFC South. Yeah, not so much. Yeah, what is it?
What it was? Line? Was it? Line?

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Five and a half?

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Here? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Yeah, next four oh five Eastern Rams at Saints.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
All right, this gives us a chance to talk further
about that Rams Eagles game last night, in case you
missed it. Uh. It followed the same trajectory of these
Eagles games against the Bengals against Washington, which is to
say that a team played with them for about an hour,
for about a half and then once the second half started,
the Eagles just wore down their opponents. In all of
these games, Rams matriculated the ball. They won fifty three

(01:04:39):
yards on four plays to start the game first intended
the Eagle seventeen Kyron hit by Isaiah Rodgers, fumbles Nakobe
Dean recovers. By the way, they needed replay assist to
verify that Sirianni's challenge flag was in tough.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Things in this game.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
From that, oh, looky, so that was the first thing.
Then three to nothing, Philadelphia Rams go nine plays, seventy
yards this time no fumble, Kyroen in from one set
the three Rams late first quarter, later seven to six
Rams Philly sixty two yards hurts to Brown from six out.
Philly leaves it thirteen to seven, and that's what it
would be at the half as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
And we had to go That's when we had to
go for a review for Rachel where A. J. Brown
caught it and took seventeen steps in the end zone,
but we needed to go review that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
I believe it was seventeen seventeen before the ball was hushing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
He ran a full marathon.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Oh, I'm getting to the best part. Third quarter, first
play Saquon for seventy touchdown twenty to seven, Eagles, fourteen
forty nine left in the third Rams seventy yards questionable
PI in the end zone. Stafford to DeMarcus Robinson from
two out twenty to fourteen, and now comes the Eagles
portion of the ball game. Philly seven plays seventy yards
four to thirty four, Hurts to Saquon for thirty one,

(01:05:44):
sets up gain will In from thirteen twenty seven to
fourteen Eagles. Cardi misses a forty seven yard or wide
right after Sirianni declines a penalty, sees that the Rams
were gonna go for it on fourth and three, then
decides to change his mind. We have to stop with this.
Remember this happened on Thursday night with Mike Tomlin. Also
he made a decision on an opponent's flag. He then

(01:06:08):
changed his mind. We can't have this anymore. You have
to stick to what you have. Chris Collinsworth was making
the point after the game last night. If this were
us playing on a playground, we'd be like, no, you
already said that, No, you can't do this. You can't
allow Syrian and oh that's what that's what Sean McVay
is gonna do. I'll change my mind. I will take
the penalty. No, stop it. You were dumb the first time.

(01:06:28):
You need to be accountable for the for being dumb. There,
that's my that's my No. I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
But your problem, your problem is with how it's being official.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Yeah, no, you have to. You can't let him change
his mind. Elliott then makes the field goal thirty to
fourteen Philly fourth and one at their own eighteen. They
get in a took this push. Look they draw the
Rams off sides. Three plays later, Saquan for seventy two
thirty seven to fourteen Eagles. H it would end up
with a garbage touchdown. Stafford to cup thirty seven twenty
is your final and again Nakua nine for one seventeen

(01:06:58):
for the Rams. He's so good, so good. This doesn't
have to do with the Eagles. We'll get to the
Eagles again later. Rams five and six at New Orleans.
You said, this is yes, Rams at Saints, Rams five
and six at New Orleans four and seven New Orleans
minus one and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
I think this is Rams minus two.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Ooh I'm way off on that, But the Rams are
really hard to figure out. This is this is probably
the hardest line to make of the week, because again
I'll say this every week, Who are the Rams? Are
they good? Are they bad? Are they capable of greatness
on any given day and capable of suckitude any given day?
Same can be said for New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
This feels about right to me, like this is kind
of the opposite of that Falcon situation. If it was
your line, I'd probably be betting rams here.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
But way in two man, staying away from now, I'm
not racing about the Saints coming back looking for.

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We had tweets at beating the book. Derek Michael eighty seven.
San Francisco is sixty six to one to win the
Super Bowl. He says, for San Francisco fan, this is
great and toxic all at once. My heart tells me
great value. Lol, my brain says, the bank roll will suffer.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Don't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
I mean, if you don't even know about Perdy, you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Do it right. You can't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Yeah, uh, chrisy that would read your tweet, but I
was too convoluted. I can't read. I can't read it.
I find a foot I can't read it. New York
Mess sixteen. So you're telling me we can review if
a challenge fat flag was thrown in time, but not
if a player stepped on the boundary because the league
cannot afford thirty two of those cameras. Do they know
we bet on this stuff? Scott, I'm right with you, man,

(01:09:06):
I'm right with you. It's the boundary cameras. Apparently there's
a challenge flag thing. Kelly, you were just saying off air.
Do we remember times where coaches have thrown the challenge
flag a little too late and they didn't grant it?
We do?

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Yeah, I mean I sure remember many years ago, Gill
it being a kind of a comedic thing about the
coaches having to throw the flag like twenty yards they
so they could make sure that the ref saw it
before the play went off.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Also, okay, there's that. There's the coaches get to change
their mind now apparently, remember tomlin did it on the
uh the illegal the illegal touching when the offensive lineman
touched the ball. He was like, oh no, I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
I was only confused when you started that conversation because
I was like, it's so easy for us to go
ripping on Siria. Audio was like, is that where Gill's going, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
You shouldn't be allowed to change your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
And it's good on the coaches. Good on those guys
for taking advantage of that. Well, a bad room in
place to use it to your advantage.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Well, we also don't talk about enough. Is this whole
blurred notion of replay. It's it's when did replay assist
arrive right all of a sudden one day It's like,
oh yeah, we just looked at replay as this took
three seconds for us to figure it out. Why don't
you why can't you do it on everything?

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
But then it's not always there. I mean, that was
my biggest problem with with the aj Brown touchdown last night.
Why we got to go to commercial break and for
a review for this. I saw a replay right away.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
There's three feet in also college football, this was not,
you know, material to the final score as it turned out.
But you see the Alabama game where they just absolutely
took a touchdown away from Alabama for no reason at
the end where the guy on the side of like
a late flag, he's like, yeah, the slot receiver wasn't
coming up. The replay was like, yeah it was. It's like,

(01:10:47):
you can't review that, Like that's unreviewable. Sorry. The things
that are the most reviewable, remember, like delay of game
play car you can't review that in the NFL. I'm
with the replay assist thing is probably more than anything
we've talked about. It's frustrating because that's the one you
that makes it sound so easy because they use it arbitrarily.
It seems like, hey, du if you used it for that,

(01:11:08):
why can't you use it for this. By the way,
you're so nonchalant about it. Oh, it took four seconds
for you to figure out, Why can't take you four seconds?
To figure out this because I don't know about you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
The first time I heard it, I'm like, oh, finally
there's just some guy watching it like we all are,
and it's not that hard.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Sometimes. That's the other thing about it is we're we
learn things about a sport that we think we know
everything about. Oh the boundary camera. That was like breaking
news yesterday. Jason Ice, cool gambler. I'm not sure about you, guys,
but turkey does not make me thankful on Thanksgiving. I'll
take a nice steak dinner, no reason.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Man, don't get me started on this one. Don't get
me started. We got all the way to do this.
I love Thanksgiving. Colin Murphy is talking about that. That's
that creepy tweet I got.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
From Roger Jones where he's like, wild, guess, harey, you
recently watched the murder of Aeron McNair and I was
speculating I did something happen in that that I repeated,
and Colin Murphy goes, did Steve McNair choke on a raisin?
Or did Oz the mentalist? Just to uh torchdads about
the Saquon thing? If Saquon he This is interesting because
a Saquon pulls off MVP, and if Offensive Player of

(01:12:07):
the Year is certainly a quarterback, then there's a direct
correlation and you can parlay that at a place like FanDuel.
So if you thought Saquon.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Would an MVP, I love this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
You could do Lamar Offensive Player of the Year or
cho was Lamar.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
I mean the your only problem is you've got the
josh Ala Lamar Jackson problem right now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Right, you sure do. But still, let's it's an interesting thought.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
All right, let's get that great point. I'm more to
get to what do we dot oh four oh five
Eastern Bucks at Panthers bucks and Panthers five and six bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
The bucks are getting larger in the Falcons rear view
mirror at Carolina three and eight Carolina given Kansas City
all they could take, Tampa Bay out gained the Giants
four fifty to two forty five and Bryce twenty one
of thirty five for two sixty three for the Panthers.
Good on Bryce young By, Yeah he is for as
bad as he was and as much as we killed him,
he's looking better.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Tampa Bay minus five and a half. This is on the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Road six mainly six seen five and a half six.
We have five and a half six. All right, keep
on cruising. We've got four twenty five Eastern your Eagles
at Ravens, not your Eagles, and the Eagles he brought
up earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Is the game with this game of the week, right,
he gave you reen earlier Birds versus Birds nine and two,
Eagles seven and four Ravens again. The Ravens don't play
until tonight for Week twelve, two and a half point,
two and a half point favorites on the road against
the Charge. I have all about the Ravens tonight and
the Hardball Bowl or the hard Bowl, Saquon once again

(01:13:35):
because it deserves. Repeating twenty six for two point fifty
five last night on the ground, that's an Eagles record. Yeah.
The seventy yards score is seventy two yards score, two touchdowns,
four catches for forty seven. That means he had three
hundred and two yards from scrimmage. He is on pace
for twenty one hundred and fifty one rushing yards after
that performance. The record is two thousand and one oh five,

(01:13:57):
so he's ahead of Eric Dickerson's nineteen eighty four PA
five hundred yards from scrimmage over the two games. The
last two games two game span, most in any two
game span since Sweetness Walter Payton did in nineteen seventy
seven third game with one hundred ninety five plus yards
of scrimmage. The rest of the NFL has three combined.
Aj Brown six for one O nine in a touchdown,

(01:14:19):
four hundred and eighty one total yards for the Eagles
in that win against the Rams last night, three hundred
and fourteen total rushing. By the way, Brandon Graham, I
missed this. Torn tricep I know out for the season.
I read it, write up about this and then we're like, oh,
it happened early in the game. What do you mean
it happened early in the game. He played a great game?

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Is that what has said?

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Yeah? I was like, what are you talking about that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
He was great last He's another one of these guys,
kind of older guys, has had a great season.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Torn Tricep out for the season. That's a big loss,
by the way, Darius Slay with a concussion as well,
so that you know how that goes, right, That's a
constantly monitored situation.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Yeah, you gotta clear what five steps throughout the week, yep, I.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Have without without seeing Baltimore play. Obviously it's going to
factor in the performance tonight, but I have Baltimore as
a two and a half point for.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Ding, Ding, Ding. You're all over at two and a
half right now. I'm a little surprised to see some
of these two and a halfs have become juiced. So
maybe we get to three.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
I was gonna say three probably doesn't give the Eagles
enough respect, but two and a half sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Yeah, I'm right there with you the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
I mean, that's the game of the week. The Eagles
are absolutely one of these teams that you just feel like,
again three games that they've won the leap to mind, Cincinnati,
Washington and last night against the Rams. You can play
with them for about a half and then they just
wear you out. They are so physical on both sides
of the ball. They just destroyed the Rams on both

(01:15:42):
lines of scrimmage last night. And you do wonder in
January eight Eagles. That's the thing. Now, if you had
to bet, what would you make a price on an
Eagles Lions NFC championship?

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
At this point where we are in Detroit, I'm guessing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
We're in Detroit. I'm guessing, but I'm just saying, give
me the match. Try.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
I actually think it's a good I mean, what we're
looking at, Eagles and Ravens is probably a good compence
Detroit two something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
No, I'm saying, what would you put just this was
a matchup Market So you know how we have Super
Bowl matchups. Yeah, let's say this was the NFC Championship matchup.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Mark Gosh, I have no idea, I mean what the matchup.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Would be because who's number three in the NFC? Now?
Is it the Here are your choices, the Vikings, the Packers?
Is there a third choice?

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Yeah, I'm right there with you. I also don't know
if I remember hearing Gil Alexander this high on the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Because after you see it time after time, who.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Is number three? I'll go Green Bay? But oh boy,
is that a that's a light answer. Are Oh well,
let's do one more squeeze man. Sunday Night Niners, It Bills, Niners,
it Bills.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Oh, speaking of games that before the season started, You're like,
imagine this Sunday Night game come week thirteen, it's the
five and six Niners who are one game out behind
both the Rams and the Seahawks in the NFC West
at Buffalo Buffalo nine and two Buffalo idol this week

(01:17:11):
nine and two bills Brandon Allen yesterday and relief of
Brock Party seventeen of twenty nine for one ninety nine.
They were held. The Niners were two hundred and forty
one total yards, eleven first downs, and they were minus
three in turnovers. Buffalo's got to be I mean, if
this is Brock Party, it's one thing. So what did
we learn yesterday? The difference between Purty and Allen in

(01:17:33):
the line in a game at Green Bay was three points.
It's got to be more than that. Three points was
not enough of.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
A six or something like that, four something like that
and a half four four.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
It's got to be it should be more than that.
Do we we do we know that party's playing in
this game.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
We don't don't anything.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
I said, Buffalo minus seven, but that obviously depends on
who's starting a quarterback for the Niner.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Yeah, this is where we were pretty much right now.
Six and a half's out there. I hammered bills five
and a half Fandle Boyd opened yesterday. You know, but
kind of thinking it was at least gonna move this way.
At worst, I could buy off it at a better
number a little bit if we get news on party.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Yeah, it's just that year. We've said it before with
the Niners. It's too many injuries. Somebody comes back, somebody
else gets hurt, and then once you lose your quarterback,
at that point, it just becomes comical. McCaffrey is not
all the way back. I'm not sure. You know who
knows at this age will he ever be all the
way back? I don't know. But there's just too many injuries,
and it's just that year. It's a loss. It feels

(01:18:36):
like a lost season for sure. So much hope for
what was supposed to be still in the window for
the Niners coming back. One more game to get to.
We'll wrap it up right here on a numbers game.
We have one more game to get to. I believe
we do.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Monday Night football, the Browns at the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Brown's coming off the extra rest there win over the
Steelers in the snow on Thursday football. They are three
and eight. Remember they were one of ten on third down,
four four on fourth. They were MIAs two in turnovers.
They became the first team, according to Optics DATS in
NFL history, to commit three plus turnovers, have eight plus penalties,
convert no more than one third down, have under twenty

(01:19:16):
five minute time of possession, blow a twelve plus point
fourth quarter lead, and yet still win the game. That's
what they did on Thursday. Total anomaly jamis eighteen of
twenty seven for two nineteen. And then at Denver, Denver,
we talked about they beat the Raiders and then they
cover against the Raiders because Desmond Rider took a sack

(01:19:36):
at the sixteen seconds left on a play run with
sixteen seconds left from the doorstep and Ridard took a
sack and that was it. That was the last play
run and so Broncos get the money as well. Bo
Nicks Broncos rookie touchdown record is sixteen touchdowns, sixteen touchdown
passes good on him Sutton eight for ninety seven and

(01:19:59):
two touchdowns. In that win, the Broncos were plus two
and turnovers the Broncos are seven and five. The Broncos
are in playoff position, a game and a half ahead
of the Dolphins, who are their nearest competitor for that
final wild card in the AFC I will say, Denver
minus six.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
You're pretty close to just five and a half, basically
everywhere five and a half, okay, and those two and
a half's a lot of Most of those two and
a halves are disappearing on tonight's game. So I'm gonna
join you for a.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Bit tonight, Gil, Can we talk about the bow Nicks
Jayden Daniels Rookie of the Year thing for a second?
For sure? Jade and Daniels down to a short favorite
now minus one fifteenish wild for Rookie of the Year
and bo Nicks in the short plus money about plus
one twenty for offensive Rookie the year. There were showed
minus one thirty five plus one ten is what we're

(01:20:46):
showing on the graphics, so it is super close. Now
with what is that six games left in the in
the regular season? Do I have that right? No? Yes,
six games left in the regular season for both of
the players. So the question becomes now and by the way,
it's a two headed monster because Brock Bowers, who's in third,

(01:21:08):
is twenty five to one. So Jayden Daniels got out
to this great start and now has and let me
just say this as a Washington guy who's watched every
one of his snaps since that injury. He has not
been the same player since the rib injury. He doesn't
run nearly as a willingly, But then he did a
little bit more last night, Right, he did a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
That's what I'm like. I'm confused by it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Because, I mean, his stats are still great because that
McLaurin play was eighty six yards right, by the way,
did we talk about that? Terry mccorns. Jaydan Daniels has
still been awesome. Don't get me wrong, He's still and
he did run yesterday, but he's not been the player
that he was bow Knicks. And I will say this
again because when you're wrong, you're wrong. Sean Payton has
coached this kid up and he in season bo Nicks

(01:21:53):
was terrible early in the year, and now he looks
better and better every week. So the question becomes, with
six games left, who your bet be on between these two?
If you were forced to make one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
Jane Daniels still me too.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
Just a little bit?

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Could can he get caught?

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
I think the I mean I think the odds movement
is pretty spot on reflective.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Will this come down to fifty voters? Who will determine
one team got in the playoffs and the other didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
So that when you just asked me that question, is
the biggest thing that comes to mind right away, right
it's it's which who gets into the playoffs? And that
absolutely could be the design.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Both could both could not, right, Broncos with a one
and a half game lead in the AFC Wildcard picture,
Washington with a half game lead in the NFC wildcard picture. Currently, Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. With Washington, like you have Tennessee
this week, you just lost a Dallas at home. You
absolutely have to beat Tennessee like it's a roverbial must
win at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
And almost I guess if both miss. If both miss,
I'm gonna go with it's more likely that Nicks wins
it because right then, though the Washington collapse would be
a bigger deal, we'd be talking about it far more
just the second half of the season stuff. Again, I I.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Don't know will some voters look at this as Okay, well,
they're both unbelievable. Jaden was the number two pick in
the draft. Bo Nicks, everybody felt was completely overdrafted at twelve,
So there's that in bo Nix's favor. On the other hand,
you could also look at it as well. Bo Knicks
has this supposed offensive genius people think in Sean Payton,

(01:23:32):
whereas Jayden Daniels got the Cliff Kingsbury swoon happening, and
he doesn't have a head coach like in offensive minded
head coach, He's got Dan Quinn.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
There's just a lot of things that in the mix
right now at this moment, it's very coin flippy. But
what's your point that you think he's gonna be cut
some slack, because no, My point is like every voter
can have their own way of thinking, right right, One
person could be like, oh my god, Bo Nicks, everybody
thought he was overdrafted. You know, Jadon Daniels, everybody knew
he should be the number two picks. So what bo
Nix is doing is that much more incredible? Or you say, well,
Bo Nicks has Sean Payton as his guru, Jadan Daniels

(01:24:03):
has Cliff Kingsbury.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
It's a fascinating conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Sure you can rationalize in all kinds of ways, is
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
The passing stats are so similar right now too, Like
That's why I was just pulling up, like they are
so close. You're talking about twenty six thirteen yardage for
Jayden Daniels, twelve touchdowns, five interceptions. Bo Nicks twenty five
forty eight with sixteen touchdowns, six interceptions, So four more touchdowns,
one more pick.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Now there's going to be a voter. There's fifty of them, right,
then one voter may say, yeah, but what Jaden Daniels
has done to change around the culture of a franchise
from just being a prison lifetime sentence, you know, under
Daniel Snyder to this glory and by glory, I put
it in quotes because I know it. They're only seven
and five and they haven't done anything, so it's gonna

(01:24:50):
be fascinating. And I do agree with what the number is, Like,
I get it. The bow Knicks conversation is absolutely thegit.
They deserve credit for it. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
I just I think if Commanders end up missing the playoff,
I think he's going to be punished and almost probably
to an unfair levels. They miss after the start that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
They had, but the Broncos won't be Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. The schedules are Washington's might be a scosh
easier than Denver's.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
I think it's a I think it's a pretty interesting
discussion all of these awards. Coach of the Year is
the most jumbled. I have no idea who Coach of
the Year is. Who was that Drew was on and
he was like giving seven candidates. It's definitely down to
these seven guys.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
It was me like the day before, right, I was
like ninety five percent sure he'll be one of these,
like six dudes.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
We just we talked about. You know, Dan Campbell, by
the way, plus one sixty is your short shot. Just
to give you some thoroughness to that, Kevin O'Connell plus
three fifty, Tomlins four to one, Jim Harbaugh plus four
to fifty, Peyton, the aforementioned, Sean Payton six to one,
and Jonathan Gannon and Dan Quinn who should get some
consideration ten to one and fourteen to one. I mean
that's what seven dudes. If you had to bet this,

(01:25:56):
I mean I'll throw it right back for me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
If I'm forcing you to bet this right now, what do.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
You bet it right now?

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
Tomlin, he says sheepishly. But I think the gauntlet is
gonna change that. I think the Gauntlet's gonna do this.
Steeler's gonna lose a lot of football games.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Eis too right now it's Tomlin or Horbad though, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
But if the Lions go fifteen and one, excuse me,
sixteen in one, let's say it's not Dan Campbell. The
same applies to Andy Reid. If the Chiefs go sixteen
and one, you can't give Andy Reid this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
I'm actually, why is he getting longer again? I might
jump in on him. Twenty to one's out there now
in him?

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Yeah, because he has Patrick Mahomes. That's why his record
has to be gaudy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
I know that's what That's what it is. Gaudy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
I'm saying it's gaudy. That's what I'm saying. If they
go sixteen and one, you can't give it to him.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Come on, I might bet that today. I did not
realize we had got that much longer on Andy Reid.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
That was the point of that whole segment to get
you to bet something. Thank you. It will good work,
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
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