Beating The Book: 2024 NFL Week 16 Guessing Lines Show

Gill Alexander and Kelley Bydlon give their thoughts on every game on the Week 16 NFL slate on Monday's Beating The Book. What are their initial thoughts on the Week 16 slate of games? Also, some impressions on Week 15.

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Speaker 1 (00:38):
Good Monday Morning too is the Numbers game in Visa
the sports betting network, Visa dot Com game plus. I
heard radio, YouTube, TV, every take in a sim We
appreciate it. It's kill Alexander back in the saddle, Kelly
biddling alongside Bruce number nine, so much more than a producer.
How you doing, man, You're doing great. Good to have
you back. Thank you. I'd like to thank Ben Wilson

(00:58):
and Scott Seidenberg for holding it down. That's what the
kids say, holding it down.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Great to do a few days with Ben again. It's
been a while since me and him have done stuff together.
He didn't want to come over to Vegas, I guess,
but stayed in cushy San Diego. But he did a
great job. And then Scott always fun so I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
It was the first shows me and Scott have done together.
But Scott did a great job. Philed him the great
Ben Wilson. He ain't got to come here a big time.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Oh yeah, he had golf in the beach to get
to after the show's gill right.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
He's got stuff to talk. This is guessing lines for
a week number i'n't even lost count Week number sixteen
is what we're going to be doing here in the
National Football League as we do that. If you're new
to the show, we look back at week number fifteen.
The whole point of the exercise is to try to
extract some value in the upcoming week's lines. Here's the thing.
It's been slim pickens the last few weeks doing this.

(01:47):
I'm not sure it'll be anything more than slim pickts today,
but we will see what we can get.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
It's funny you say that you were you were gone
last week obviously. I feel like I had more bets
last week than I had the four previous weeks combined.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Didn't work out? Okay, yeah it did, oh good? But
what were you on? I feel like I'm back to
slim pickens this week? What were you on last week?

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Let's see aj Brown over Receiving Yards, Let's see Broncos
got home, Bucks got home, Lions was a loser, Bills
Lions over a winner, and Packers Money Line a winner.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Nice, well done. We'll get to all of it, and
we always start though on Mondays with a little Circus
Survivor update. The fourteen point two sixty six million dollar
Circus Survivor down to five fifty pardon me, we're down
ball Oh you missed it. It was a big upset,
you said. Now we're down to fifty entries fifty in

(02:35):
a contest. By the way, there's fifteen of those entries
are on the vikings tonight, so we're not through week
fifteen quite yet with this. But right as of this moment,
there are fifty entries left. Intrinsic value of each of
these fifty two hundred and eighty five three hundred and
twenty dollars five of those almost got refereed out by

(02:55):
the UH in the Washington Commander's game. It's so into
imagine if those five people had lost on that, which
we'll get to.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
I don't even know what I'd do, people like set
their couches on fire and stuff like. I don't know,
I'd just be setting my whole house on fire. Might
have been one of the worst ways to lose ever,
But they get by. So fifteen on the Vikings tonight.
Here's the thing, there are four mores.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
If those fifteen get through, we'll still have fifty obviously
thirty five if not. If the Bears pull off the
upset tonight. Either way, there are four quote unquote weeks
left in this contest, one of which is the Christmas Quirk.
Two on Christmas Day, one on Thursday Night Football. So
six teams available, none of which are comfortable picks, though

(03:38):
with a couple injuries yesterday, namely to Patrick Mahomes the
Chiefs and to Genosmith and the Seahawks, it does add
a little drama. It's Chiefs that Steelers Ravens at Texans
on a Christmas Day, and then it's Seahawks and the
Bears Thursday Night Football. That week, but we still got
to get through week sixteen before we get to that.
But that's you know how they say Saturday is moving

(04:00):
day at the Masters, that will be moving day if
you will in Circus Survivor. So that's where that stands.
You ready to get some lines, Let's do it. Let's
do it. For week sixteen in National Football three or

(04:21):
four weeks left Hill hard to believe. It is hard
to believe Will Hill was here. He's like, I can't
believe it's week five already. He always does, I can't
believe it's week six already. Well we're here.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
I'm that guy too. I say that at least eight
times during the season.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
By the way, I will say this last thing about Survivor.
As epically historical as those first five weeks were in
terms of carnage, there's no way to because we don't track.
We can track that mathematically. No one ever tracks the
screeching halt of Survivor. But this has been a historic
screech Yeah, you know, because it within five weeks we

(04:57):
had lost ninety eight point four five five percent of entries.
There's fit within five the first five weeks of these
of this NFL season, ninety eight point four, or five
percent of the entries were gone. We forget how amazing
it was. It was insane. Okay. The opposite is case

(05:17):
after week eleven after week, excuse me, after week ten,
one hundred and five entries were left. There are fifty left.
And keep in mind we had a Thanksgiving yeah, and
we got through Thanksgiving. Yeah. So here we are, all right,
let's get some lives. Let's go to thirty. Thursday night
Broncos at Chargers was a Chargers Broncos beat the Colts.

(05:39):
We get to the point of the season. We don't
linger on some of these games too long, but it
was one of these where the Colts. There was a
key point in this game, in case you missed it,
and this is becoming an epidemic of the NFL. Colts
started out with a nice ten play seventy yard drive
ar dime to Josh Downs on third and ten for
twenty two to start at the drive. Seven plays later,

(05:59):
he ran it in from twenty three to seven to nothing.
Broncos came right back, but Nicks was picked bo Nicks
picked by Zayir Franklin. That led to a Matt Gay
thirty seven yard field will tend to nothing Colts. A
couple drives later for the Broncos, they went fifty four
yards Nicks to Adam Trautman from thirteen out ten to
seven Indianapolis. It would be thirteen to seven Indianapolis at

(06:21):
the half. And here's where it gets a little nutty
Denver third play of the third quarter, opening drive, Knicks
picked again by Samuel Womack. The third let me just
say this little Offensive Rookie of the Year break on this.
It's over. It's all over. Bo Nicks three picks yesterday,
Jade and Daniels just sort of doing his thing. It

(06:41):
would take an epic set of circumstances now for Jayde
Daniels not to win the Offensive Rookie the Year. Agree
or disagree? Agree?

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, I agree, But I'm that guy who's totally gotten
to the point where Brock bo I feel like Brock
Bauers should probably win this award.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Oh stop it, already, stop it. He's having eight epic
he is, he is. But what You're not gonna give
it to Jayden? Dad? You have to, all right, So
Nick's second pick, it's thirteen to seven Colts. Colts have
the ball up six second play first intend the Denver
forty one Jonathan Taylor untouched into the end zone touchdown,

(07:19):
except for a little little detail. Right before he crosses
the goal line, he does this little thing where he
flips the ball. What are we doing review? It's a
fumble through the end zone touchback. So instead of twenty
to seven or twenty one to seven, have they chosen
perhaps to have gotten the to have tried the two
point conversion and converted it either way, that would have

(07:40):
been a two score game. Instead it remains thirteen to seven.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Gil a defensive player, I'll give an excuse to Okay,
maybe fine, you're not used to carrying the ball, Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
I just think that we've gotten to the point now
where this has happened more than a negligible amount, let's
put it that way. And I don't think the outrage
as a hows quote unquote outrages announcers are in the moment.
They need to be that tenfold. I agree, like someone
needs to go crazy about this, and the coaches need
to bench people. This is it's just so, it's so lazy.

(08:13):
Denver third and tent at the Indianapols thirty nine. Don't
worry though, bo Nix throws another pick, this time to
Nick Cross Indianapolis first play in suing drive, they give
it right back ar to Pittman. He's tackled by PJ Lockey,
fumbles recovered by DJ Jones. Denver doesn't do anything with it,
but they do get the field goal to cut it
to thirteen to ten. Then after a Mims sixty yard

(08:33):
punt return. How many great plays is Marvin Mims Junior
make on on special teams? They're set up at the
Indianapolis fifteen second play, Nicks to Nate Adkins for fifteen
seventeen thirteen. Denver takes the lead early fourth quarter, and
then second and seventh at the Denver forty Outonnam Mitchell
adonai Ahad looking to throw it back across the field,
picked in full stride by Nick Benito. It's actually ruled

(08:55):
the latter in a fumble in the in the in
the box score, as it should because it's a backwards
But you ever see somebody make that play where they're
in full stride on defense. That was unbelievable. Yeah, And
as Scott Hanson accurately said, on a red zone, he
goes Nick Benito then grabbed his Benito's on the way
in and got flagged for that. But nonetheless it's a
two lead, two score lead for Denver twenty four to thirteen.

(09:18):
They would go on to win it because ar would
throw another pick to us or ten severely underthrown. They
go on a win at thirty one to thirteen. Denver
wins with only one hundred and ninety three total yards
of offense. Why because the opponent, once they get to
the end zone flips the ball and decides not to score.
God bless, who's Indianapolis? Who's Denver playing? Again? Charge Chargers?

(09:40):
And the Chargers get just destroyed by the Buccaneers. Did
you have this game going this way?

Speaker 3 (09:47):
I had the Bucks, you know, catching points and on
the money line.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Ten to ten game Tampa Bay. Baker gets picked by
Tarheeb Still from University of Maryland. Set up the Chargers
are the Tampa Bay twenty seven replays Herbert to Quentin Johnston.
It's seventeen to ten Chargers midway through the second quarter.
Then Tampa Bay third and one at their own forty
four shot White hit by Joey Bosa. He fumbles, Elijah

(10:10):
Moulten recovers to the Chargers. So the Chargers are set
up up seven points. This is late second quarter. They decide, well,
we're not going to roll out Cameron Dicker for a
sixty yardfield. Well, that'd be crazy. We punt it. So
that was the end. That was the That was the
the high point of the Chargers in this game. Up seven,
with the ball in Tampa Bay territory, they couldn't do
anything with it. So starting from there, here are the

(10:31):
rest of the Chargers drives in this game. Three and out,
three and out, punt, the rare Justin Herbert pick, turnover
on downs, four and out, another turnover on downs heineke in,
and a fumble by Stone Smart. That's the rest of
the game for the Chargers. Meanwhile, Tampa Bay is just
scoring points the whole time. Mike Evans with two huge

(10:54):
plays a one to a fifty seven yard touchdown pass
to put the Bucks up twenty to seventeen, and then
later Mayfield to Evans from thirty five out to put
them up thirty to seventeen. They'd win it forty to seventeen.
The Chargers out gained by the Bucks five oh five
to two oh seven. Yeah, the Buccaneers are just flying
to the win in the NFC South, as we said
they would a few weeks ago given their schedule. Yep,

(11:17):
I've got the Falcons ticket. It's been tough to watch. Yeah,
it happened.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
And also the I mean, it's impossible not to root
for Baker Mayfield and this like but this Bucks is
one of my favorite teams.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
But Baker twenty two of twenty two for twenty seven
for two to eighty eight, four touchdowns at a pick.
Denver's at the Chargers because I know that the market
tends to like the Chargers a bit. I'll say chargers
by more than the three. I'll say chargers by three
and a hook. We are three at draft Kings. Let
me check around.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
I think it's pretty much three flat. Yeah, three everywhere.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
I think that's a better line. I think that's what
I would make it if I hadn't assumed that they
would go crazy for the Chargers again. But maybe maybe
that love is dissipated.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, I agree with the three, But I tend to
think how what you just said is true too, that
they give it.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
They give the Charger a little too much. Denver, looking
like a playoff team, had no business winning that yesterday
manage to anyway? Good for them, Good for them getting
the mowirrel lines. See if we can find some value
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Saturday three college football? So there's the first of the
college football playoff games is Friday night, then three on
Saturday along with two NFL games.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm flying out of here red Eye
Friday night and you're going going home Christmas.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Going home, going to see my mom. It's been two years. Hey,
do we have that Kelly Bidlin, the shot of you
on the FSU sidelines. Yeah, we do that right now,
going a great red light ladies and gentlemen. This is
from on Tundra at Andrew eight two zero eight two
seven one on Tondre. Is this your producer Kelly Bidlin

(13:40):
on the Florida State sideline? That dude kind of does
look like you.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say he doesn't. Uh,
the hair a little more red than mine. Okay, red,
this is old though this is old as hell. This
guy is uh my research shows from before the show.
He is now the equipment manager for the softball team
and soccer teams there at Florida State. He was there
during the Jamus years. Though they called it, they were

(14:05):
sort of called him red Lightning because there was a
couple famous highlights through those years of him, Like you
know when you see the every once in a while,
like the ball guy running running stride for stride with
like the running back who's going into the zone. He
was that guy like chugging along going crazy. Yeah, Red
Lightning man.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Legend. By the way he and quotes is what Kelly's saying.
He was the guy running very much faith.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
You don't even know, man, there's this one kid. It
was a good freshman year at Florida State. No idea
how this happens.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Freshman year at Florida State University.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
There is I don't even know how many thousands of
kids right there signing up. I lived in a dorm,
A kid two floors above me, a dead ringer for me,
dead ringer, and like people would mix us up all
the time. People come up to be like, hey, Andrew,
how you doing, man, I'm like, yeah, I'm not Andrew,
Like I don't even know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
That guy scowl the way he's looking just like you.
We get tweets and beating the book. Simon Wheeland can't
wait for my running back and my coach to feature
on Dumbo of the Week on the megapod. Will yea.
Jonathan Taylor is absolutely is Dumbo of the Week candidate
number one for what we were talking about before, that's
for sure. Uh Charles and Connecticut. Talking about the tailor flip's,
he says that's at least three times this year that's

(15:14):
happened in the NFL. I don't understand it. I wish
someone could tell me why it's important to the players
to drop the ball as soon as they break the plane.
What's wrong with waiting until you're three yards into the
end zone? Bro, I call you bruh. Charleson Connecticut totally agree.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
I mean, it's just it's as simple as they're so excited, right,
Like they're just too excited.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Stop with the so excited saying it is an excuse.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Obviously you should score first before you probably celebrate.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
It all my first one thousand year old moments since
I've gotten back. You know what John Riggins used to do.
He used to run into the end zone. He never
used to spike. You should just flip it back to
the rest. I always thought that was the coolest thing,
Just hand into the rest. I've been here before the
act like you've been there before, right, Jeff Holdorf at
holding court, Holding court, He says, welcome back, Gale, ready
to learn our next Yiddish word? Think we have all

(15:56):
a googled machugar After the four thousand time of hearing that, Bro,
love having you back. Thank you. Jeff C. Spackler welcome
back to my morning show. Let's try to make it
into work more often. It messes with my mornings. I
wander gillless through the betting week. I'm sorry about that,
Seaspack Brian Shaffer. Gill is the music for Guessing Lines
the same as the music for crack Man. Sincerely, Steve Feszick.
I don't think it is, no, No, crack Man has

(16:19):
the best intro music. Yeah, yeah, it's much more rocky ish.
The college football guessing lines music, which, by the way,
where did that go this year? Is the same as
the regular guessing lines music. What happened to college foot.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Well, we screwed up the one great week to do it,
the conference championship week when I but when pre show
I was discussing with Elliott Bowman.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
We screwed it up, by the way, Yeah yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, sorry, Gil,
I screwed it up.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Okay, I mean, look, it does get later in the season,
as you often talk about, even when we do the
NFL ones where you're like, okay, we've seen what this
spread was two weeks before. Yeah, not that I'm great
at it, but it makes it a little easier for
me sometimes, and then it becomes a little boring.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
It's only fun if I'm wildly off right true, But.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Average Championships was a letdown because I didn't even know
who was playing in some of them.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
All season already started, you know, I did. Okay, let's
go to Sunday. Are we on Sunday? No? Saturday?

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Saturday?

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Saturday?

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Right?

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (17:11):
So Saturday, this is one o'clock Eastern Texans at Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well, that's a good game. Potentially. I suppose Patrick Mahomes play,
so we have to have two different lines here. I
would imagine I don't know what the market is is
factory in at this point, but on I guess I
would three to Threeither Houston beats Miami yesterday, three to
three game, Miami third and fourth their own forty seven
to a sacked by Will Anderson Junior. Tim Centle recovers
set up at the Miami twenty twenty eight, Houston leads

(17:36):
to Stroud across the body, touchdown past Nico Collins, ten
to three Houston, It'd be ten to six, and then
Houston first and tend their own forty nine. Stroud fumbles,
Jordan Brooks recovers. Miami then at the Houston thirty eight.
They returned the favor second and sixth at the Houston
thirty nine to a pick by Kaylin Bullock didn't see him.
He returns at sixty eight yards to the Miami five
with thirteen seconds left in the first half. They do

(17:57):
have to settle for the field goal, though no game
by an incomplete pass, so Fairburn twenty three yard chip
shot thirteen to six Uston at the half. Houston then
in punt formation fourth and two at the Miami forty
four first drive of the second half, they faked darhe
Ogunbawale for thirty five yards. Two plays later, strived to
Collins from six out twenty to six, and Miami was
in ketchup mo of the rest of the way. Sanders

(18:20):
thirty four thirty yard field goal was good, but they
wiped that off the board and Miami converted into a
touchdown to John new Smith, great pass by two of
twenty to twelve. They missed the extra point, so a
good decision to wipe that field goal off the board,
and then Miami had so many opportunities to get back
in this They had a fourth and fourth of Houston
thirty four with twelve forty four to go two at

(18:42):
a John who for nine, but then three plays later
to a picked again by Derek Stingley Junior, with ten
thirty four to go. Then they had a three and out,
and then they took over at their own twenty three
with one forty four to go, still down one possession,
eight points. First play to a pick by Stingley again,
ballgame twenty to twelve. Stingley's so good, so good to
a just for a guy who doesn't who is you know,

(19:04):
accurate with his passes? Not his best performance, yes, not
not at all.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
And I one of the things I feel like I've
noticed with the Dolphins the past few weeks is like
there is just these these receivers that we talk about
being so lightning in Waddle and Tyrie Hill seem to
be like not getting any separation whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
I don't really know what that story is. Kansas City
beats Cleveland. This was not a this was not a
great day in terms of just a fan perspective of
the NFL. Well, none of these games are kind of
Dullsville Chiefs. They beat the Browns twenty one to seven.
I don't know what the verb I would use is
just sort of outlast them. I mean, they could have
played all day and they probably would have won by
a touchdown or two. It wasn't for for you know,

(19:44):
Cleveland not having opportunities. Cleveland with six turnovers in this game,
turnover differential of minus six. That'll do it, and you
only lost by fourteen. First drive of the game, Kansas City,
they had a three and out, but on the ariz
upon James Brochet fumbled at samaj p Rhin recovered. Three
plays later, mahomes the juju from seven out seven and nothing. Cleveland.

(20:04):
A couple drives later they had a first and dead
the Kansas City thirty six. Here was their first turnover.
James picked in the end zone by Brian Cook. By
the way, if you watch that play, Elijah Moore of
the Browns just as kind of laying down watching the
pick happen, Like the pick happened in the end zone.
He's just kind of like, yeah, well that happened. The
same dude, remember in the Denver in the Denver primetime game,

(20:27):
the Denver Cleveland primetime game, where he left the receipt
where he let the interception just happen. The pick six happened.
I don't know if I really caught that. Yes, so
he remembered. He was lolly gagging out of bounds in
that one. This one, he was just chilling in the
end zone on his back. He's like, I guess he's
not returning it. Kansas City fourteen play, eighty seven yard
drive Mahomes to Grave from six out. That would make
it fourteen to nothing Cleveland after Jerome Ford forty five

(20:50):
yard kickoff return set up at the Kansas City forty
nine four and out wincid in complete on fourth and one,
and then Butcker would miss a twenty nine yard field
goal before the half. I note that because Butcker does
not look good with that leg, like that plant leg
buckles first first week back. He made the extra points,
but this is a chip shot and his if you

(21:10):
look at his left leg, it's like painful to watch.
So fourteen to nothing at the half. Uh, And then
it was just the turnover fest Cleveland. First play Jamis
to Chubb. Did you see this pick deflex off Nick
Bolton into Chubb's chest, Chubb can't corral and then somehow
Bolton strips it on the way down for the pick.
That might have been the play of the day. Awesome. Yeah,

(21:32):
that was amazing. That led to uh, you know, set
up at the Cleveland thirty four to four plays in
Mahomes to Worthy from twenty one out twenty one to nothing,
Chubb with a fumble. Later I'll go through the rest
of Cleveland possessions. Fumble punt two play drive which was
great play Jerome Ford sixty two yards just with the
after burners, just turning the corner on everybody. That made

(21:53):
it twenty one to seven. But then Cleveland punt jamis pick,
let's see DTR and that didn't go anywhere, and then
DTR ultimately picked. So it's just again plus six in
turnovers for the Chiefs. They win at twenty one to seven.
Is that's their widest margin of victory of the year.
And they are twelve and one, twelve and one or

(22:15):
thirteen in one, pardon me, thirteen and one thirteen in one.
And that's their biggest win in terms of margin of
the year. Now here's the thing, Patrick Mahomes. A big
story of this game, though, of course, is that late
in this game, when it was you know, twenty one
to seven. This is in the fourth quarter, Kansas City
fourth and three at the Cleveland thirty nine. They decided

(22:35):
to go for it. Mahomes incomplete intended for juju. Mahomes
gets up, slowly limps to the sideline his right ankle
the word is not broken, but just really sore. He
was unclear whether he'd be available to play this coming
Saturday against the Texans. Quote it's hard to say right now,
unquote from Patrick Mahomes. So if he plays, I'm gonna
say they're a four point favorite. If he doesn't and

(22:56):
it's Carson Wentz, I'd say they're a three point dog.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
So right now it is DraftKings lining this at Texans
two and a half.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
So that they are factoring him not playing that yeah,
which I mean I would think he doesn't go. They
have not clinched the number one seed.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
I know, But like Saturday, it's a short week.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Well they you know what comes after that, and even
shorter week yep, and even shorter week to play Wednesday
against the Steeler coming back.

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How about that we get tweets and beating the book.
I was appreciated. Who by hoops? We know red Lightning
and Kelly aren't the same person. Red Lightning didn't tear
his hand, didn't tear his hammy catching the field goal.

(24:08):
Very true, Hoops by hoots can't be the same. Great point,
I do not have near the athleticism of Red Lightning.
Jason H. Eleven, Welcome back, Gilly. Kelly did a great
job in your absence, as did Todd Wishnev with the megapot.
But it's nice to have an adult back in the room.
Just kidding Kelly, not kidding Yinzer, that's Todd Norman Vegas.
Do you realize that the four NFL teams playing this Saturday,
then flip opponents for the two Christmas Day games. Yeah,

(24:31):
that's what I was just referred to with the Chiefs.
Anyone asks Santa for a Netflix subscription so they're not
stuck watching yawn regular season NBA on December twenty fifth,
Norman Vegas taking a shot at your league. I mean,
this is another issue for me. Gil.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
I'm gonna go home for Christmas as soon as i land.
I've got college football playoff in NFL to watch, and
then one Christmas Day we got two NFL games.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
And NBA all day.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Mom's not gonna be abby.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
She ain't.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
By the way, do you have NBA Cup fever? You
like this event? I love it? You love it? I
love it, you love it.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I think any extra reason to get excited about basketball
this time of year. If look the people that are
not going to get a bit excited about it, regardless,
it doesn't matter. But if there's people that are slightly interested,
they get a little more interested.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
How is it her? I got off flight from DC
to come back here and there was like as the
you know you're seating, as you're getting seated, there was
someone an Atlanta Hawks fan coming down the aisle and
someone she was wearing a whole Hawk's gear because they
were obviously in the semi finals, and someone from another
seat goes, are you going to the game, as she goes, yes,
I am so. We yes, I am like I guess

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she was about to win the NBA Championship.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
I'm like, so we saw each other Saturday night. I
was at that game earlier on Saturday. And when I
first got first with a lot of the problems that
we discussed from last year did no change.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
I was cold, it was dark.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Remember how dark it was in the stands for when
we were sitting in there, And it looks that way
on TV if you watch it at home, it is
you're just sitting in dark stands. But thee when I
walked in, why why is it like eighty twenty Atlanta
Milwaukee fans? And it took me way too long to realize, Oh, yeah,
because the Falcons play on Monday nights. Yes, so many
people flew in here for the weekend already and just

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got an added bonus.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Not this woman. She was there for the Hawks. What's next?
All right? Next up?

Speaker 3 (26:16):
We got Saturday for thirty Eastern Steelers at Ravens Steelers at.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Ravens, a game that has implications for the AFC North.
The Steelers have clinched a playoff berth the Ravens have not.
The Ravens very likely to make the playoffs, but still
Harbor hopes to win the division. If they are to
do so, they must win this football game against the
Steelers because they got to split that season series. Pittsburgh
loses to Philly yesterday wouldn't be great. At Pittsburgh just

(26:43):
lost all the rest of the games. They end up
ten and seven and Tomlin still gets the thumbest nose
at everybody Well, Gauntlet Champola and I still got to
test the tes. They got it. They just got beat
up by the by the Eagles yesterday three to nothing Philly.
Philly had a third and four at their own forty
three hertz of the ball poked out by TJ. Wattre
covered by Beanie Bishop. That's set up well. No, Pittsburgh

(27:04):
was set up at the Philly forty five. But they
went three and out. Then they had a punt, but
then Cooper dejen fumbled the return recovered by Nick Herbigs.
They had to settle for a Boswell thirty seven yard
field goal. It's like three to three and the already
two turnovers for the Eagles at that point, but still
just a three to three game. Philly then goes six
plays seventy yards Hurts to Brown for sixteen and twenty
to start the drive from five into the end zone

(27:25):
and at ten to three Philly. Next time they got
the ball after a Dejene twenty three yard part return
set up at the Pittsburgh forty five. Nine plays Hurts
at DeVante Smith from two out, seventeen to three Philly.
Pittsburgh would answer a seventy yard drive Wilson Friar Booth
from nine out to make it seventeen to ten. It
was seventeen to thirteen at the half, seventeen to thirteen
at the half, then it was twenty to thirteen midway

(27:46):
through the third quarter. And here's the key of the
game here. Pittsburgh Wilson to Calvin Austin for thirty one
to start the drive. But three plays later, first and
ten at the Philly twenty six. Remember they're only done
a touchdown. Najee Harris just loses focus on a pitch,
just lose folks on the ball, unforced Eric fumble which
is charged to Russell Wilson, by the way, which is
just awful, recovered by Darius Slay. And that was kind

(28:09):
of it because Philly then goes thirteen plays seventy four yards,
hurts in from one twenty seven to thirteen Philly first
minute of the fourth quarter, and then Kelly fourth and
eighth for Pittsburgh at the Philly forty seven with ten
ten to go, you're down twenty seven to thirteen, and
Mike Tomlin opts to punt the football. Yeah, Philly starts

(28:31):
at their own three and just milk away the clock.
Pittsburgh would never see the ball a game, ball again,
ballgame Philly twenty seven, Pittsburgh thirteen. And this is not
armchair quarterbacking because in the moment we were shooting text
back to each other. It's like he's punting at the
same time. What an incredible drive Toad in the game
over ten minutes, but just kneel it out at the end,

(28:52):
brand Philly thing. Ever, Ye, Philly outgains Pittsburgh four to
h one to one sixty three.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
I mean they had it was two drives right, two
drives in the second half, Pittsburgh cad That's it.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Pittsburgh. Now here's the problem, Pittsburgh TJ. Watt. In this game,
TJ Watt ends up rolling his ankle. X ray came
back negative, by the way, so we don't know what
his status is yet for this game. But Pittsburgh famously
a one in ten record straight up in games played
without TJ. Watt in his career. By the way, in
twenty twenty two, they went one in six without him. Wow.

(29:27):
Their losses in the one in ten record are by
an average of ten point eight points the game they won,
the one they won by two points. They have allowed
almost twenty seven points per game in the eleven games
he hasn't played. So there you go. That's the TJ.
Watt story. Gotta follow that. Baltimore beats the Giants, no
surprise there. They did so though with five touchdown passes.

(29:50):
Kind of count them five. I don't even want to
go through the details of this game. It's no point
five touchdown passes for Lamar Jackson. I just want to
talk about the MVP for US for a second. Lamar
Jackson with those, by the way, they outgained the Giants
four forty five to two thirty six. Lamar was twenty
one of twenty five for two ninety five touchdowns, no picks,
six carries for sixty five yards. He did lose a fumble.

(30:11):
His passer rating, which is out of a total of
one to fifty eight point three, was one fifty four
point six. On the season, Lamar Jackson thirty four touchdowns
and three picks. That is the fifth best ratio of
all times previo currently by the way, plus seven fifty

(30:31):
at Fandel to win the MVP. That's the high mark
seven to one in other places. Lamar Jackson this year
is passer rating. Remember this is the old school passer rating.
Out of one fifty eight point three. His passer rating
this year is one twenty point seven. If that holds,
it is the fourth best passer rating of all time.
Plus seven to fifty at Fandel to win the MVP.

(30:55):
He is also possibly possibly, although he's a little off
pace for this, possibly could get one thousand yards rushing. Yeah,
plus seven to fifty at Fandel for MVP seven to one. Consentsus.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
You'll just keep trying to convince those voters because we're
gonna need all the help we can get.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
I think, well, here's the thing, let's go back to
college football this past weekend, our Ashton genty pick doesn't
get there. Ashton genty loses to Travis Hunter in the
Heisman Trophy vote by the closest margin since the year
two thousand and nine, which was the closest margin of
all time when it came to Heisman voting. So file

(31:33):
that again under great bet. Once again, that doesn't get home,
by the way two thousand and nine mark Ingram edging
Toby Gerhardt of Stanford like, I got the mark Ingram.
Guess right you did. By the way, you know what
the second closest was.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
I was like, the biggest upset of the weekend me
Matt Gill out of dinner that we were having this conversation.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, you said, Mark. I was like, you're right, the
second closest one. By the way, that if you have
if you have to go back further in time, Bo
Jackson in nineteen eighty five beat Chuck Long by forty
five points. Anyway, genty r plus seven to fifty and
then you could have got him at eighteen to one
ends up being the second closest or just the the
closest since the closest one of all the time in

(32:15):
two thousand and nine when Ingram beats Gerhart. So again,
good bet that I really thought that morning had a
shot and apparently it did. It just doesn't quite get home.
So file that away in the numbers game history of
the What is it that one Soto one hundred to
one which finished second was a Max my Man from
TCU Max Duggan finished what is one hundred to one?

(32:37):
We had him at So another great bet that doesn't
go by the wayside. But back to Lamar, which is
the point of bringing that up. This feels very second placey.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
I mean, here's the thing, though, Gil, Like, it's to
back up what you just said. I don't regret the
bet at all, but we said at the time, Yeah,
a couple of things needed to happen.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
The number was Josh Betteck's the number we bettic goes
of the number.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
We didn't believe Saquon really had a chance and Josh
Allen had to stumble along the way. In the past
two weeks have been absolutely ridiculous as stumble.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
But I'm just saying, can I repeat that again? Thirty
four and three touchdowns interceptions, fifth best ratio of all time,
one twenty point seven passer rating fourth best all time.
By the way, QBR Josh Allen is edging Lamar Jackson
Josh Allen minus nine hundred at DraftKings to win it
plus five point fifty is Lamar Jackson at DraftKings. Again,
you can get Lamar at a better number elsewhere.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Okay, here's when we haven't brought up in a while.
Can I interest you in Lamar Jackson twenty five to
one Offensive Player of the Year at all?

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Then what do you do with Saquon? I know that's
supposed to be Saquans because he's not the quarterback, and
you've given MVP to Lamar twice, so in their stupid brains,
they're gonna say, well, he's already got his two. We
don't have to give him anything. You're probably late Baltimore
minus six. This is six six and a half out there,

(33:54):
mainly six and a half, and a lot of that
has to do with TJ. Watt. He's one of the
rare non quarterbacks that matters to the number.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
This one's tough for me because five and a half
it's a bet on Baltimore for me. I obviously, I
think we're only going one direction here, all right, We.

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I guess correctly, I messed it up the first time. Yeah,
Joe C seven one four.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Well, if that's the case on the graphic, we've been
making mistakes for a lot of shows, then.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Joe C seven one four, Welcome back, Gill. What's your
thoughts on NBA viewership being down forty eight percent since
twenty twelve. Grew up a huge NBA fan, and I
can't stand watching anymore. I don't think threes, dunks, and
blown twenty point leads aren't appealing even to younger viewers.
What say you? You also think when half your league
is hurt for half the season that's a bigger problem.
And the load management you don't know when folks are playing.

(35:51):
I think these are major problems for the league. Joe,
I love you. Here's my problem with this argument.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
It's okay flip on a nineteen eighty eight basketball game.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Oh, it's tough to watch.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
I don't want to watch a point guard walk the
ball up the core and take eight eight I mean
twelve seconds off the clock and wait for some long
play to start, finally gravitating like sorry, I like athletes.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
This is suddenly a picture of magic, and the showtime
Lakers comes up as a counter to that. But I
hear what you say, Chrissy Andrews. My Mitch BOOKA from
a South Point has the greatest story when the Seattle
SuperSonics lost the NBA Championship the Bullets the Washington Bullets
in seventy eight and won it against the Bullets in
seventy nine. Gus Williams and Dennis Johnson played for the

(36:35):
super Sonics before he played for the Celtics. They used
to have a conversation walking the ball up the court, right,
They literally would have a conversation. That's how slow the
game was at that time. I'll tell you one of
the he probably doesn't go this far, Gill.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
But the one thing I can say as an NBA fan,
the timeouts are way too many.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Like it just the game finally.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Gets groove in a groove and going well, and then
it's time out, time out time.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
I also would say this what the Warriors, yes about
a bit Warriors comment here what they made so beautiful? Right?
The beautiful basketball of what they did. Steph Curry is
ultimately a unicorn, a guy who has the handle to
support the shot, who can make his own the passing
game that they had with Draymond when Clay was there,
the Dynastic Warriors. You can't really duplicate the beauty of that,

(37:24):
and other teams, analytically speaking try to, but it's not
the same beauty on the basketball court. So I hear
what he's saying. This is sly Brie. If it was
legal for the TV talking, he has to say anything
other than Tomlin never had a losing record. They would
tell you that Tomlin quit on the game by punting
on fourth and seven, as you say, in Eagles territory,
because the Steelers clearly had trouble stopping the Eagles. Colin Murphy,

(37:47):
take a look at Jonathan Green and defensive player of
the Year fanatics has five hundred to one how much
they canna let you put on that. Colin yet to
play to night against a bad Bears O line and
his stats are right up there with Hunter, Watt and Bonito.
This might be the most misprice the wordline I have
ever seen. He says, Buddhist man grabbing the Benitos aka
the Marshawn needs to not only be grandfathered in as
a perfectly legal celebration, it should be also encouraged as

(38:09):
the as it guarantees the player carrying the ball over
the goal line. It's a very good point, that last
one right there, Las Vegas, five one four yo. Not
only did Rigo just flip the ball to the reps,
he also towed Supreme Court Justice Sandra Dale O'Connor, loosen up,
Sandy Baby, Washington legend, welcome back. Do you know that story? No,
I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
When thinking about the front flip into the end zone too, Like,
that's another way to make sure you hold onto the ball.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
When the Skins won the Super Bowl in January of
eighty three, their first ever Super Bowl title, he showed
up at some dignitaries dinner with like a top haad
in a tuxedo. John Riggins did, and he got drunk
and he ended up like under the table literally and
Supreme Court Sandra enter Dale O'Connor, he said, loosen up,

(38:53):
Sandy Baby, you're too tight. It's great, all right, great,
it's next.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Well, I'm gonna update one game we talked about because
there is movement this morning that Texans Chiefs line. We
are up to three in multiple spots, including right behind
us here.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
At so they came up to my non Mahomes line. Yep, yeah, okay,
all right, we are at Sunday early window. Giants at Falcons.
All right, Giants loose the Ravens, by the way, their
only bright spot, Malik Neighbors ten catches for eighty two
to touchdown. They're at outgained by Baltimore four forty five
to two thirty six as the Giants lose their ninth

(39:29):
in a row. Man I say this about the Giants.
They're gonna have the first pick in the draft and
it's probably not gonna be Shador because Shador doesn't want
to play for them, He wants to play for other
Raiders of the Cowboys. So this is starting to feel
like cam Ward maybe your number one pick in the trap.
Oh we were talking about that? Who is I talking about?
Being Ben?

Speaker 3 (39:48):
I think last week where I'm like this is that?
One's kind of interesting to me when you keep hearing
these stories.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah, yeah, this feels like an Eli Manning situation. Shador,
by the way, is the U is the favorite minus
one twenty five his Hunters plus two Fitty Cameron Ward
from the U plus three eighty shop around. I saw sis,
I saw six to one on It feels like a
good bet to me. Right now. They're at Atlanta Atlanta
Police tonight against the Raiders. Do you have to play
on any of either of the games tonight?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
I have the vikings to close out a teaser from
last week with the Rams.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
On Thursday night, I'll say Atlanta minus seven and a
half signed unseen here. This one is Falcons ten ten. Okay,
that's fine. My seven and a half is probably too late. Man.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
We're at the part of the year. We said this
like a couple of weeks ago. We're at the part
of the year where it's just you end up being
a little light on everything.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Ten seems okay to me too. Two and a half
points off, and I'm like, sure, it's.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
A little light, but you're not wanting to bet the
Giants at No. Next Patriots at Bill's all right.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Patriots lose the Cardinals. There really is no point in
getting into that game. Patriots just sort of beaten pretty
good in that game. There was a there was one
play early that I will point out This was an
un tensional one where it was three to zzing Arizona
and they had a six play eighty yard drive Connor
fifty three yards to run it. Then it ended with

(41:09):
Greg Dortch running the ball in from the eighth. The
ball was poked out by Anthony Jennings on the way
into the end zone. The ball went into the end zone,
Jonah Williams recovered it just before it went out the
back of the NZL, but that wasn't an unforced one.
So anyway, Cardinals win that game handily thirty to seventeen.
Although I will say this that was a horrible beat

(41:30):
for Unders players because it was a flurry of touchdowns
at the end in that game. Yeah, it was twenty
one to fourteen. Excuse me, what was it? No, I'm
wrong game it was? Was it twenty three to three
with ten minutes and thirty nine seconds left in the
game and it ended thirty to seventeen. So Unders went

(41:52):
to die Buffalo in what was supposed to be the
marquee game of the day yesterday, Buffalo just destroyed Detroit.
The final score doesn't show that, but it kind of did.
Buffalo first, they got the ball after a three and
out for Detroit. Seven plays seventy three yards, Alan Tid
Johnson for thirty three, the big chunk to Johnson for
twenty four later on third and five, two plays later,

(42:12):
Allen in from one seven to nothing. Buffalo, then another
Detroit punt after Goff got sacked twice. Buffalo nine plays
seventy eight yards, Alan to Cook for twenty eight to start,
Allen in from four to end it fourteen to nothing
Buffalo with two minutes left in the first quarter. Detroit
would get it to fourteen to seven, but Buffalo immediately
answers back nine plays seventy yards, including a fourth and

(42:32):
second conversion at their own forty nine, Allen to Tid
Johnson for thirty one. Three plays later, Cook in from
six twenty one to seven. Detroit would then have a
ten play seventy yard drive which included a fourth and
fourth conversion of their own to Saint Brown for twenty
one and a Goff ten yard scamper on third and ten.
Eventually Goff to Dan Skipper from nine out twenty one
to fourteen, but Buffalo first play in suing drive Alan

(42:55):
de Keon for sixty four. They tacked on a rough
in the passer, so half the distance. So now Buffalo
is up seven. This was the moment where you thought
Detroit might get back in it. Buffalo was set up
at the Detroit three. Cook for one to Curtis Samuel
for one, then a false start Allen and complete, and
after a lengthy injury timeout, Bass missed a twenty four
yarder and it remained twenty one to fourteen at the half.

(43:16):
But then Buffalo started the second half the way that
they left off. Four play seventy yards, cook in from
forty one, twenty eight to fourteen, he got to thirty
five to fourteen, and then it was just kind of
cosmetic from that point forward. But I do want to
point out the big thing because because after the Detroit
Packers game, after the Packers Thursday night game, I went

(43:38):
on this whole rant Friday morning about how I don't
think Dan Campbell knows what he's doing with these decisions,
and as a guy who loves going for it on
fourth down, I just think he doesn't. There's not a
tactical thing, and I know he has a staff telling
him what to do, but he's the buck stops with him.
It's his decision, and I just think he goes forward
because he's like trying to live up to his reputation.
He doesn't know when to and when not to. Well, yesterday,

(43:59):
at thirty eight to twenty eight, with twelve minutes left,
he declares that I do declare an on side kick,
and Matt Collins caught an instride, took it thirty seven
yards of the Detroit five. They end up scoring again
forty five twenty eight. What are you doing calling the
on side kick with twelve minutes left, you have all
three time outs, you're only down two scores ten points.
And for those who would come back and say, yeah,

(44:21):
but you know they couldn't stop Buffalo, so I get it. Well,
the smoking gun for you then is when they got
it to forty five thirty five, they should have done
it again and they didn't. So that proves once again
to me that Dan Campbell is just kind of off
the cuff with all this stuff. I mean the other
part of it too.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
If we if we do think there's someone you know,
running by analytics and these numbers in his headset right
the Okay, I understand you can't stop them on defense.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
But we all know how low.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
The percentage is of you were covering an on side.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Kit Buffalo minus fourteen and a half against Newing fourteen
right now, okay, coming back, or to say on that
game on the other side, numbers game Visa, these sports
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Speaker 2 (45:06):
The numbers told the story. Now always one of those
idiots will believe in the analytics. This is a numbers
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Speaker 1 (45:14):
Number two, but numbers game at Visa, these sports betting network,
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Speaker 3 (45:30):
I keep getting distracted by us on the screen and
noticing that there's a new background every time there we
go pop it back.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
At first that was like what does that say behind us?
But then I'm like, oh, those are the screens. Yeah, yeah,
it was black for a segment or two on the
show this week. Nick Mackay, the showrunner for Bookie season number.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Two, executive producer too, I believe.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah, Max, I believe it is is a Max. Yeah.
They're doing some well.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Of course I go to point to it. It's a
blue screen now. But I believe they are doing some
adverage as he deal with Circa, because they've got a.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Big band round for it, Yeah, starring a Sebastian Manuscalco
among others in that. So we'll talk to Nick. He's
always kind enough to drop by on the show from
time to time. Also Justin Fann from Unabated. We hope
to have in here, Gina Fiori as well from Unabated,
and depending on whether he gets through or not, maybe
a little Jake Bensequin for Survivor.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Wonder if he'll be any more uh on the edge
now because he's been very cool, calm and collected so far.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Think about Survivor though, is as long as that Christmas
quirk exists, and it exists, none of the people with
the fifty can feel comfortable. You can't even think about
the money yet with that, because that's gonna be you know,
a lot of a lot of eliminations and then when
you get past that, then it starts. Then it's gonna
be super nervy. Yeah, I will be.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
But I'm shocked we lost as few as we did
get in through things given.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
It's amazing we get tweet of beating the book, Jeremiah Westgate,
So we have a campbellism fellas the onside kick down
ten with twelve minutes in the fourth court down with
twelve minutes left in the fourth quarter. I am on
the lines and I did not have a problem with it,
especially since they haven't stopped the bills all day. To
get back, the Lions would have had to stop the
bills two times in addition to converting their possessions. Thoughts,
it sucks that they had to declare they actually got

(47:15):
a nice bounce that almost got tipped forward. Yeah, but Jeremiah,
that's the thing. It's such a small percentage of the
get through. But again, I'll make my point that I
made very quickly in the last segment, which is if
you thought that that was okay, then what then you
must have been disappointed when they didn't do it the
next time down ten, because then it makes no sense

(47:35):
to me, right, And that's why I get to the
point of what I said before about Dan Campbell, which
is I don't think he's doing anything based on any
kind of mathematics or plan, right, He's just doing it
on this this vague feel thing which I said, you know,
the day after that that primetime game against the Packers.
I can just see it getting them again in the playoffs,

(47:58):
and remember it got them last year against the Niners.
Keith Kingston, who was at the game, says, I thought
about you as I'm sitting at the game and the
Lions announced onside at twelve minutes, remaining worst decision by
the Lions since former Lion head coach Marty Morningwgg deferred
in the overtime kickoff in two thousand and four to
take the win at Soldier Field. Happy hanukah that by
the way, he shows us his view, amazing view of

(48:20):
the He had great seats for that, he said. He
also added as as call Campbell. Dan Campbell later said
he regretted his decision, and in the video you can
see Campbell's reaction standing in front of the camera crew.
He just looks down and probably is thinking to himself,
oh man, not much of a physical reaction. This is
from This is from I want to continue with these.

(48:40):
Thank you for all the tweets. This is from Michael Burns.
Wish I had live footage of Toddy sweating that Arizona under.
He actually texted he was bragging about his Arizona under
and you know what happens when you do that prematurely.
Djen Southern Jed Jayden Daniels is quieting all the Cliff
Kingsbury sucks in the second half of the season critics,
and for that alone, he's the Rookie of the Year. Discush.

(49:01):
Eric berg Gill is about to experience the Yokich losing
to Embiat MVP experience. Just seems no one wants to
acknowledge Lamar after he won it last year. Yeah, the
Yokich wanted to be clear was that they didn't want
him to win three in a row, which is a
legendary NBA thing only done by three others. Edward Perez,
let's go back to that Dan Campbell question from a
few weeks ago. Like you were saying, I think he's
answering the question for us every week, what's next week sixteen?

(49:25):
In the NFL, we haven't really found.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Much value yet now we really haven't. Okay, early window
Lions at Bears.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Lions of Bears. By the way the Lions get out
gained by the Bills five fifty nine to five twenty
one in that game Josh Allen twenty three of thirty
four for three to sixty two, two touchdowns and no picks,
eleven for sixty eight to two touchdowns on the ground.
And the only other thing I want to say about
the game is the last on side kick? Where was

(49:53):
forty eight to forty two? Because oh, there was a
couple other things. Pardon me, I forgot one other thing?
Did you catch when it was forty eight? Let me
get this right. It was forty eight to thirty five,
Buffalo forty eight to thirty five, just north of the
two minute warning. Campbell, with all three timeouts, wasted thirty
nine seconds not calling a timeout when Buffalo had the ball.

(50:14):
Just we're not gonna need those thirty nine seconds. And
by the way, Detroit ends up scoring in the closing
seconds to make it forty eight forty two. Even if
they get the on side kick, it would have to
be a hail Mary situation. You don't think you could
have used those thirty nine seconds, Dan Campbell. He was
making mistakes, not just it wasn't just the on side kick.
That little moment will get washed away as well. I
won't let it. And the only other thing I want

(50:35):
to say, is that Tony Romo on that onside kick
he did the whole like it was like vintage Romo
was like Buffalo recovers. It's not annoying at all, Buffalo recovers.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
I just need Yeah, that's like the that's been Romo
the whole time, right. We loved him those first couple
of years when he still do all the playbooks, and
now it's just like we don't make noises.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
I don't know shit, Detroit at Chicago? Is that what
you said? I got said.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
I'll have to share a fantastic Instagram a reel that
someone put together of just somebody impersonating Robo doing all that.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
It's the guy that he imitates Romo and Collinsworth. Yeah,
as a guy that's just dueling Romo Collins here's a
guy Detroit minus seven and a half. Detroit minus seven
and a half. That's Chicago. Oh man, alright, Detroit seven
and a half. I'm all out of whack here. Let's
see Lions. We've got seven right now over at draftings Chicago. Obviously,

(51:35):
that's just Chicago trying to win a game and not
go not lose their last eleven of the season. That's
what they're trying to avoid as they've gone from four
to four and two to four and nine. Detroit, by
the way, still controls their destiny in the NFC North,
but so to do the Minnesota Vikings. Now Minnesota Vikings,
including tonight's game, they've obviously got to win tonight. Both

(51:56):
teams control their destiny now because the Vikings play the
Lions the last last week of the season.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Just just amazing how this season has gone like it
has and how how little respect this Vikings team has
gone through sixteen weeks.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
As great as Detroit has been the entire time. We've said,
they've yet to do anything because the Vikings and Eagles
for the number one seed won't leave them alone.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Okay, I know the Lions have like basically nobody left
on the on their defensive starters on their.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Depth chart, but this is coming down to seven.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
I'm intrigued by the Viking side or the Lions side
against the Bears.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Oh, the Lions side.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Sorry, next intrigued, haven't made a bet, but intrigued. Okay,
Next up, Browns and Bengals.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Browns and Bengals. Browns. We talked about they lose to
the to the Chiefs, Jamis bench for DTR in this
What are you saying, Rex, Ryan is like they need
to bench Jamis? That was hold on, check my nose.
Why what's that can accomplish? We alred?

Speaker 3 (52:54):
You know there was a couple that was that was
Rex this morning talking about benching Russell Wilson for Joe feels.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Oh that's even worse. That's even worse.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
This is but this one, guys, Jamus, you know all
knew what you were gonna get with Jabis.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
So we're gonna be some great moments. There are gonna
be some duds.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
I don't think DTR is any better. I mean, don't
we know that by now?

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Cincinnati beats the Titans. A bunch of survivors got through
with Cincinnati yesterday as well. It's at circa not much
to say about this. Every Cincinnati game is kind of
the same. It's like a hole serve break serve thing. Yeah,
because their defense is so bad. Tennessee's worse. So they
won this football game thirty seven to twenty seven. There

(53:37):
was a moment in this game that I want to
point out. Okay, Tennessee, what's the scores? Twenty four to fourteen.
Cincinnati at the half, lev Is picked by Gino Stone
to the house to make it thirty one to fourteen,
and then Tennessee first and tend the Cincinnati thirty three Pollard,
tackled by McKinley Jacksony fumbles. Jordan Battle recovers it sixty
yards of the house, except at the doorstep he had

(53:59):
just the in his hands for no reason and fumbles
out of the back of the end zone. What is
happening in this league?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Now?

Speaker 1 (54:06):
There was a lot There was a bunch of people
who were like giving giving Jordan Battle a pass, yes,
because they said he didn't do it intentionally, But why
are you adjusting the football at that moment? Then? What
are you doing? You're preparing for the celebration.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
This is where this is where I'm gonna I'll give
a cut up a little bit of slack because at
least he's not an offensive play.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
But it's not as bad as the tailor thing. But
it's up there anyway. Cincinnati wins at thirty seven to
twenty seven in a horrible ball game where there were
ten turnovers, six by the Titans, four by the Bengals.
The Bengals had fourteen penalties for one hundred and thirteen
yards and the Titans had twelve for one. Ten.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Okay, so that combination has never been done in NFL history.
The combination of that many turnovers and penalties had never
been done.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
And your guy, Billy Levies completed eight forward passes and
then three to the other team. That's not a good race.
She even to keep going. Man, I got twenty four
to one on him to lead it NS.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
I don't think he's gonna get there, though, because Kirk
Cousins only throws to the other teams these days.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Cincinnati minus four and a half hosting Cleveland. You are
very awf on this one. Bengals seven point favorites. Ooh, okay,
am I gonna is Wayne Brady gonna have to take
the Browns? Is Wayne Brady gonna have to take some breath?

(55:25):
This is honestly, honestly, I hate to bet on the
Cleveland Browns, but the Bengals defense is so bad that
you almost have to do. Yeah, that's a Brown I think.
I hate to say it. I'm fam I'm betting the Browns.
There's a play. Oh that's fun. That's an exciting bet
that we'll have. That'll have to live through what's next.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
It will be exciting because you got Jamis, but you
know they can just break your heart at the end,
you know.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
All right, Next up, we've got Titans at Colts. So Titans,
we just talked about Levis eight for twelve for eighty nine.
Mason Rudolph had to come in that game in Indiana,
we talked about who coughed the game away to the Broncos.
Broncos didn't even get two hundred yards of total offense,
thank you, Jonathan Taylor. Indianapolis minus four as Indianapolis's playoff

(56:11):
hopes fade Colts four and a half. All right, we'll
come back. How many more games? We get a bunch
of more games to get to, right, Yeah, we do three, six, eight,
We'll get to them. We'll do it, guessing line. So
the Browns, sadly is the one I like the best
so far? You yes, you as well?

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:29):
I think so. We did not speak about it, now
we did not? Okay, all right, I think Lamar Jackson's
gonna for a second. Even though those again those stats
are historic top five historic touchdown interception ratio and passer
rating might get a thousand yards rushing and people are
like whatever, you've won it twice, we'll just give it

(56:49):
a Joshaw. Not that he doesn't deserve it, but you
get the idea. We'll come back guessing lines. Look at
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Speaker 1 (57:39):
This is from JT. Speed to Burn seven two five
says Gill. You're one hundred percent correct. If you thought
the onside kick was the right move with twelve minutes
to go, how can it not be with eight minutes
to go? Makes no sense? And if you think you
can't stop them, Why give them the ball in midfield? Uh,
Michael Burns, don't hate on my Eastern Illinois A lums.
I was there when Peyton was quarterback, Kevin Duckworth was
patrolling the Peyton, Kevin Seitzer was manning the hot corner.

(58:02):
That's a reference to Tony Romo that I was busting
on Tony Romo. I don't know, Jim, I don't know.
Buffalo recovers. I gotta pay that video during the break
bop c D show one three seven regarding the NBA,
how about a mix of athletes being athletic? Kelly's argument
and just stop the flopping and everyone's spinning their little
fingers in the air and crying after every call. I

(58:22):
grew up loving the NBA. I can't watch these grown babes.
Oh that one's tough. Yeah, I can't argue with any
of that. Three Jack h three one three one. Thanks
for the Wayne Brady reference. Made me laugh. On what's
not been a great day? We were so close on
that Heisman bed no way, Lamar beats out Josh Allen
though at this point. Glad you're back in the saddle
this week. Thank you very much. By the way, if
Lamar Jackson and the Ravens win the AFC North, sure,

(58:46):
there's still a path. We're not dead if they win
the AFC North, a tougher division than the AFC East.
By the way, yes, where the second place and third
place place teams are definitely better than the other teams
second and third place teams.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
If that happens and Josh Allen gets abducted by aliens
in the next week, there's a path.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
What if Lamar Jackson ends up with forty two touchdown
passes and three picks and a thousand yards rushing and
people are just gonna look the other way, We'll give
it to Josh Allen.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Where does he compare, right, I haven't looked up the
updated stats with him at Burrow?

Speaker 1 (59:20):
What if he has the greatest passer rating of all time?
He's fourth. Now it's just insane.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
I mean, Burrow is still leading touchdowns yards yards by
a lot.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
You know we're gonna have to have Sando come on
the show. He's another voter. We do him once a year.
It's fine what Sando has to say. Okay, what's next.
We gotta get a bunch of games. Get to you here
next up Titans at Colts. Titans at Colts. Didn't we
do that? We did that on Rams at Jets? When
did you get here? Did you not? Were you not here?
Last segment? Apparently not? Jets ramped the Jets Rams. Oh,

(59:54):
by the way, Rams won that slog of a game
on Thursday night in the rain in San Francisco, and
the Rams are eight and six, looking good in the
NFC West. Right now, Kyron twenty nine for one o eight.
They held San Francisco to one hundred and ninety one
total yards on Thursday. The Jets beat the Jaguars yesterday.
Not much to say about this game other than when

(01:00:15):
it was seventeen to six, it was sixteen to ten Jags,
and then the Jets go on a seventy yard drive.
This is late third quarter Rogers to Davante from one out,
one hundredth touchdown of Adam's career seventeen sixteen Jets four
thirty three to be accurate left in the third quarter.
A couple drives later for the Jacksonville Jaguars eight play,
seventy three yards, Max Jones to Brian Thomas twenty two

(01:00:37):
to seventeen. Jag wires two point try fails, ten to
fifty eight left in the game. Then Andrews Carlson misses
a forty eight yard field goal drive after Rodgers threw
a dime to Lazard that got broken up, and Rogers
had to put his hands on his helmets and let
everybody know that it wasn't his fault and there was
a receiver's fault because his past was so great, so
I interpreted it. Jets, next time they have the ball,

(01:00:59):
four plays, eight eighty seven yards Rogers to Davante from
seventy one out, what a play, touchdown twenty three, twenty two,
and then to Davante for two twenty five twenty two,
Jets three, twenty four left. Jacksonville comes back cam Little
forty three rd field will to tie it one fifty
one left in the game, twenty five to twenty five.
Jets third and ten at their own thirty Rogers to
Davante swing for twenty three. Jodasy amazing catch, third and

(01:01:23):
five at the Jacksonville forty two. Rogers to Davante for
forty one. Kind of looked like he didn't know if
he should score or not. Did you see that at
the end, Yeah, he was like I'll drop down here
next play bries In for one didn't matter thirty two
to twenty five, and then Jacksonville third and won at
the Jets forty seven Mac picked by a sauce ball game.
Rogers sixteen for thirty for two to eighty nine, three touchdowns,

(01:01:44):
Davante nine for one to ninety eight and two touchdowns
four Jets fans, Yeah, they gonna watch a game like, Hey,
there's the Jets offense. Looks pretty good. Rams by four
on the road at the Jets Rams three and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Right now, there are some heavy threes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Oo, I may take it, I may lay that at three.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
I'm a little intrigued by there are three minus one
twenty behind.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Us at circa. You know, we talk about patterns for teams,
like the Bengals are like a tennis match or are
they holding serve? Are they breaking serve? It's like a
that's every Bengals game. The Rams games have seemed to
take this pattern where they kind of stink in the
first half and then you know, at halftime they're like, yeah,
we got this figured out. This is a testament to
the coaching staff.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
By the way it is it is, I mean, miss
Stafford compared first half and the second half on that
Thursday night.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
It was quarterback. It's happened more than that that time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
We didn't really get a chance to talk about that
games you were here on Friday. I don't I don't
know if I've ever been more disappointed by a football
game in my entire life. Like I was looking forward
to that. I thought it was gonna be a great game.
Weather just like throws everybody out of whack in the
first half.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
And then San Francisco could be like that this time
of year. Yeah, or the Bay in general, I should say,
since that's insanely Clara. Next Eagles, that Commanders Eagles we
talked about. They beat Pittsburgh. They dominated them again, Mike
Tomlin punting with over ten minutes left and never seeing
the ball again. AJ Brown eight for one to ten
in a touchdown, DeVonta Smith eleven for one oh nine

(01:03:04):
in a touchdown. They outgained Pittsburgh four to one to
one sixty three. And then there's the DC Skins. You're
a Washington Commandos taking on the UH. Jake Hayner led
Saints UH Washington first time with the ball. They settled
for a field goal, but a unecessary roughness penalty on
the Saints extends the drive, leads to a ridiculous Daniels
scramble and throw to the incomparable one Terry McLaurin sixteen

(01:03:26):
yards in the end zone. What a catch? What a pass?
Seven to nothing? Skins?

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
New Orleans third and four. A couple drives later third
and four of their own thirty two Hayter pressured picked
by Mike Sandristril Uh sand restill, pardon me from Michigan Washington,
fifty three yard drive. Jayden to McLaurin from three out,
the incomparable one, only Jamar Chase. He's good. More touchdown
catches this year than Terry McLaurin by a lot, by
the way, but again we get back to the Redskins seasons,

(01:03:54):
I mean the Commander Seaton. Do you remember after the
first couple of weeks when I said they really should
introduce Jayden Daniels to Terry McLaurin, because remember the first
two weeks, he didn't even know he was there. It
was a great running joke for a couple of weeks.
It well, it turned out to be good anyway. It
gets a seventeen to nothing. Rattler comes in for Hainer
for the Saint seventy one yard drive six plays. Rattler

(01:04:15):
to Valdez Gantley for thirty nine sets ups, Cedric Wilson
to Kamara from twenty went out seventeen to seven. Kamara
fourth player ever, fifty rushing touchdowns, twenty five receiving touchdowns.
Then Washington Greg Joseph. Who's their fourth kicker of the year. Yeah,
it really was five. Brandon McManus was signed in the
off season. They had off the field stuff and they

(01:04:35):
had to cut him. So they've had four kickers this year.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
You want a random fun fact about Greg Joseph, please?
I cover him in both high school and college. Is
that a random fact about you or about Greg jos
I really know?

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Good point? Do you think Greg Joseph is going around?
You know a random fact about Kelly Bidlin. I ran
into him in high school practices and college practices. That
was a great the way you spun that. So Joseph,
here's the end of the third quarter. It's seventeen to seven. Joseph.
They line up for a forty one yard field goal try.
He misses it. You know what the refs didn't notice.

(01:05:08):
This is a poor tent of things to come. The
refs didn't notice that the the game clock had expired
in the third quarter, so they were like, oh, doesn't
count that you missed it. We forgot the third quarter end.
This was a part of this game. I did not
catch third quarter ended. So he got a redo to
begin the fourth quarter and he sunk the field goal.
So twenty to seven Washington. This is all a poor

(01:05:29):
tent of things to come. Grupe hits two field goals
to cut it to twenty to thirteen, a forty one
yard at a fifty one yarder with six fifty seven left.
Then Washington ends up up seven points. Now fourth and
one at their own forty five. Jayden just gets the
one yard that extends the drive. They end up with
the New Orleans thirty six. Pardon me. With two minutes left,

(01:05:49):
they're up seven, fourth down. Joseph, do you kick the
field goal here a fifty three yarder or do you
just pooch punt it? Washington decides, even after seeing that
Joseph missed that forty one yarder that didn't count, they
decide to kick it, which I think was a terrible decision.
In the moment he misses it wide right, so New

(01:06:12):
Orleans ends up taking over it their own forty four
with one fifty five left, down seven. That's the move.
You're right, no, Hainar, no Kamara. Kamara was out with
a groin injury at this point. I think Kamara's battled
through nine in and still puts up THEMB Yeah, one
timeout New Orleans have. They get it to the Washington fifteen.
They lose two yards. They use their last timeout with
thirty eight seconds left. They're on the seventeen yard line,

(01:06:33):
nine yards Juan Johnson over the middle. The clock runs
then incomplete, so it's fourth and three at the Washington
eight with seventeen seconds left. They need to get in
the end zone to Foster Moreau for seven yards to
the one yard line. First down. The clock stops. Remember
they have no timeouts. The clock stops because the official

(01:06:55):
on the bottom of the screen running up is waving
his arms in the clock stop motion. It stops for
a couple beats, maybe about three seconds exactly, for no
reason whatsoever. Rattler goes to the line of scrimmage. She
spikes it with three seconds left. The game probably should
be over instead, he goes to Moreau from the one

(01:07:16):
touchdown twenty to nineteen, and they decide. Coach Rizzy says,
we're going for two to win the game. Two point
try five survivor entries on the line. Washington teasers screwed
Rattler here Rattler incomplete intended for Johnson. The survivor entry
survived ballgame. Washington wins twenty to nineteen. In a series

(01:07:36):
of events that should never have happened, should never happen.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
There's a lot of ways we complained about losing bets
on this show, Gil.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
That is a way that should never happen. Philadelphia minus
three at Washington three and a half, disrespectful. I'll take
the skins. Ooh, brownies and skinnies. That's what I like
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Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
It's awesome, awesome to see we get tweets of beating
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Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
This is from Ed Zeralski, who is actually quoting a
Warren Sharp tweet, our buddy Warren Sharp. He said, this
is unforgivable talking about the Saints Washington ending. Unforgivable by
as Sean Hockyley's crew. The game should have been twenty
to thirteen. Instead Washington almost lost on a two point
conversion twenty one to twenty. Can it happened because of

(01:08:56):
an official Perhocuy himself quote mistakenly stopped the cluote. Absolutely unbelievable,
And Ed Zarowski tweets at me he said, uh, inexcusable,
and it's why betting the NFL is as Gil says
my Sugarn, the officiating crew, Sean Hockeyley just admitting, Yeah,
it's a total mistake. The only explanation, and by the way,

(01:09:18):
I was watching it live right, I saw the clock
stop and I'm screaming at why is the clock stopped? Why?
The only possible explanation I could have come up with
in the moment was that official thought that Bobby Wagner
was lying on top of Moreau to a point that
he thought he was delaying the game. But that never

(01:09:39):
came up. They never they never said that. I didn't
see that enough, but it was we were talking about
that pre show. I think great point by you, because
you're right, how there's not many other reasons that you
could think of of why that guy would think he
should have to stop it, And they never said that.
Jeremiah Westgate tweeting back, and he says, stop claiming John
Riggins as a redskin. He's a Jet. I watched him

(01:09:59):
through the app days to the Mohawk days. He's ours Skins.
Claiming Riggins is the same as the Jets claiming Curtis Martin.
You need to stop, You just absolutely need to stop.
That's the worst argument I've ever heard. John Riggins will
forever be identified as a Washington redskin. I get it.
He had his Jets years, Torch d Gilla, you gotta

(01:10:19):
chill on the Dan Campbell hatred. I don't hate Dan Campbell.
I'm just pointing out when no one else is willing to,
because everyone slurps Dan Campbell all day long on Sundays
like he's just this unbelievable thing. I think he makes
the I think he makes a higher rate of questionable
decisions than almost anybody Toeorched goes on to say he
wasn't brought there for analytics. He's the leader of men.

(01:10:42):
That team is ready to run through a brick wall
for that man, and I do not think enough can
be said about that factor. The calls will tighten up
in the playoffs, well, you're more optimistic than I am.
I think the calls will continue to be questionable his calls.
And the other part of that is how much do
you want him to tightened up? You know, if for
the if for the majority of the season things have worked,

(01:11:04):
when he's done it, I don't know if I want
a guy going to the playoffs completely changing out he's
coaching a great point, because then if he loses it
that way, people are gonna murder. Yeah. Yeah, Eddie Moush
Saints game. What happened to the officials keep the keeping
the official time that wristwatch thing. Yeah, uh, Tony Farmer.
Of the seven survivors who have Kansas City left, six
of them could pivot to Pittsburgh if desired because of

(01:11:25):
mahomes injury, and the other could pivot to Seattle have desired.
Nobody has only Kansas City available for Christmas. I will
just say this about that again. He's talking about Circus
Survivor again. Fifty entries left, fifteen or on the vikings tonight,
whoever's left Christmas, which is you're gonna have to get
through one more weekend, this coming weekend to get to
the Christmas quirk that Christmas. Those six teams, I will
repeat again, there is not one comfortable pick among them,

(01:11:48):
even if well, if Mahomes doesn't play, okay, that gets
a little more comfortable in that game. If Gino doesn't play,
it gets a little more comfortable, but not comfortable enough.
But you'll get to that game because man di's Sam Howe.
Sam Howell looked like you didn't even practice. We talked
about practice. You need to show up at practice, Sam
how All right, what's next? Cardinals at Panthers Cardinals we

(01:12:11):
barely talked about because there's no point. They beat the
Patriots Cardinals in the mix in the NFC West at Carolina, Carolina,
I thought I had Carolina in this game. I couldn't
have been more wrong. Bryce Young with a little bit
of back to being Bryce here, yeah there. This was
the first time in thirty four games that the Carolina
Panthers were a favorite. Did you know that? Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah,

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Well care I guess what they lost?

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Bat It felt like to be we had swung too far.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Zero zero. Carolina matriculated, but first intent of the Dallas
eighteen Bryce for three hit by Maris Leu fou fumbles
recovered by Marshawn Neiland. Dallas a couple drives later, seventy
seven yard drive rushed to ceed Lamb for twenty, twenty eight,
twenty and twenty eight and fourteen into the end zone,
all on third downs. Seven to nothing, Dallas. They would
lead it ten to nothing, and then at the end

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of the first half there was a sequence where you
thought Carolina might get back in this game. Ten to nothing.
Dallas has a third and one at the Carolina fourteen
with forty five seconds left, they're knocking at the door again.
You think they're gonna go up seventeen to nothing. Rush
fumbles werecovered by DJ Johnson with forty two seconds left,
and then Carolina first played Bryce to Jalen Cocher for
eighty three ten to seven Dallas, and you're like, oh,

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Dallas gonna mess this up. They're gonna lose this game. Nope.
Third quarter they just dominated. First play Bryce sacked by
osa Odeguzawa, fumbles Chauncey Golson recovers. Dallas set up at
the Carolina twenty nine five plays, rushed to Jalen Tolbert
from eleven out. Next time they had the ball, rushed
to Jalen Brooks for seventeen beautiful pass twenty four to seven.
The route was on thirty to fourteen Dallas four ten

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to two, thirty five total yards advantage, Carolina minus three
in turnovers. I will say Arizona minus three and a
half at Carolina four. God okay, next vikings at Seahawks.
Ikey's played tonight against the uh The Chicago Bears fifteen
survivor entries on the line for that one. This is
going to require two different lines, just like the Chiefs game,

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because if it's Gino, it's one thing. But if it's
Sam Howe, good God, do you see that game last night?
Fourteen to nothing Green Bay before you could blink first
two drives, that just dominated. And they had Chris collins
Worth being like, here's a guy. He was like, wow, Chase,

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so he's watching the two thousand and seven Patriots fourteen
to nothing Packers. They dominated. By the way, Jordan Love
was great in this game. He's awesome. He was great.
He's a gunslinger.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
His ceiling is so high. The problem is, I don't
know where the floor's at.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Yeah, and they are. They're one of these teams where
it's like the proverbial, you don't want to face him
in the playoffs, and yet you'd be equally you would
be equally likely to see him play great or have
a Conker correct. But when he's good, he's great. Twenty
to three at the half, it got to twenty to six,
and then the close this Seattle got in this game

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was twenty three to thirteen on a Charbonnet twenty four
yard touchdown, but that was after Gino got hurt. He
got rolled up on. By the way, Green Bay won
this game, thirty to thirteen. There's not much to say
about it. It was complete domination. Gino didn't return after
taking a low hit from Edrin Cooper. This is when
it was twenty three to six. Seahawks coach Mike McDonald

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said Smith's knee appears to be intact structurally, but his
status for next Sunday's game against the Vikings is up
in the air. And so I think the line here
is it's either Minnesota minus six on the road, or
it's probably like Seattle minus one and a half split
the difference if it's Gino.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Okay, we got an interesting situation here, Okay, because you're
roth it's Vikings four right now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
So that's assuming no Geno I'm saying. I think I
think so too.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
But man, you take away Geno Smith from this Seahawks team.
You're telling me this Vikings team is only about a
six and night half point better team on a neutral Well.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
I'm saying there's a seven and a half point difference
between Geno and l and that's and by the way,
that's a lot of respect for Gino, but that's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
I think I don't like to do this. The last
time I did it and burnt me bad. But he
bet the team before Monday Night football. But man, lay,
I'll lay at four. I can get on board with that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
With the Vikings, Howell just looked he I mean, look,
I'm sure if he had a week of practice so
he gets the first team reps, he'll look better. He will.
Washington somehow managed to win four games with him last year.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
But he just looked, you're gonna have a rest advantage.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
To his defense. His offensive line wouldn'tet him any time either,
So there was that, But he just looked so overmatched. Look,
thought the game was so quick for him. Let's do
one more here. That one's got me intrigued. Jags at Raiders,
buy your tickets now. Yeah, what did I say about
that Tennessee Jacksonville game where I said how much would
I have to pay you? That turn? That lived up

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to all the hype?

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
This is a Sunday one twenty five? How much would
you have to pay me to attend this game?

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
But ten that's right, So you're not able to watch
the other Sunday games. You're forced to go to a
llegian And no, you don't get phone, you don't get
to bet on this game or any other game, and
you don't get TVs to watch the other game.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Am I allowed to order stadium beverages and food?

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
You're limited to only two beverages and one food item only,
so you've got to focus on football. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
Is there a random chance like the last game I
went to, that Ludicris performs at halftime?

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Luda, No, I don't know. You don't have to give
you like one thousand dollars to go to this Raiders
minus one and a half. This is I think you're
right on it. Raiders one Mac Jones, by the way,
yesterday for the jag Wires, thirty one for forty six
for two ninety four Thomas Brian Thomas Junior having a
great year for Jacksonville quietly ten for one oh five
until he's been awesome. Man. Yeah, I just want to

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go back to green Bay here and in the last
few seconds of the sement though, and just say this again,
see by the way, Seattle's toast if they don't have
geno hate to say it, and green Bay. If I
were to ask the question of any error guests, who's
the non obvious team? So you take Detroit and Philly
off the board in the NFC, and you take the Bills,
the Chiefs, and I don't know the Ravens off the

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table in the AFC. Who's the most dangerous playoff team?
I think the Green Bay Packers are the Packers.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Ben and I looked at some exact as last week
and I did two of them with Packers and Texans.
And my explanation was of teams that are not nearly
as good as that a list group, but I think
still could get there both those teams.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
I still believe it coming back games to get to
guessing lines for Week sixteen, It's a numbers game at
Visa these sports Betting.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Network, Numbers game course Vetting Network.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Top of the hour right after a numbers game, Money
Moves with Stormy Bonatilly, Stormy and Jeff Schwartz doing their
thing from noon to eastern, follow my prop points with
John Hanson and make it rain with Adam Shine. It's
coming up next on Vison, The's sports betting Netwere Adam
Shine doing the updates during the NFL yesterday? Oh was
he at it again? I caught him a few weeks ago.
I think he was filling in doing that great job.

(01:19:22):
Jim Nantz throwing to him, Yeah, yeah, we get tweets
at beating the book mile high. David Inferior Boll says,
if only it was the National Brick Wall League, I'd
be all in on Dan Campbell. He says, Okay, I
like that. Jason Stark, welcome back, Gil missed you last week.
Steelers are still going to win eleven games for my prediction,
for my prediction a few weeks ago. All still going

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to plan. Hey, Jason Stark, man, anyway you slice the Jason,
It's been a good year.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
It's been the with the the football season of tweeters,
regular tweeters. Jason Stark's been all over it start to finish.
As soon as those Steelers got hot, he was never
gonna let us forget about it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
And Berdie Betts as caution on the Packers guild. They
still have not beat a good team. Not sure why
people keep dismissing the Vikings. Bikes have a much better
defense and a more complete offense. The Bikes wide receivers
catch the football far more consistently than the Packers wide receivers.
Packers wide receivers kind of sneaky. Good. Yeah, don't, I don't.
I don't dismiss what you're saying. I mean, this is
the thing for people who like, if I say anything

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negative about Buffalo, they go crazy to say anything the
negative about Detroit. Detroit fans go crazy. I say it
about my team, right, we said it all year. Washington
and Houston. I will put those two teams together. Washington
and Houston are the proverbial, you know, ninth or tenth
best team in football. They are exactly what they are, right.

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They beat every team, or they consistently beat the teams
that are worse. I know there's an exception here and there,
but consistently beat the teams that are worse than them,
and consistently will not beat the better teams. And you
know there's a ceiling for both of them. They both
will probably get into the playoffs, and they both at
the most, at the most probably not but the most
will win one playoff game. So we get that about

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those teams. So there's really defined levels to this team
to these teams this year.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
So what's funny is I'm the guy caught up in
my prior still because I just said Houston.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
I throw in there with Green Bay, where I think
the ceiling.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Could be because what do we always talk about with
the NFL playoffs, You don't have to win best of
seven sixty minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
It's get hot for a.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Few games and you're right there, that's right, and I
believe the Packers could do that. And I mean, Gil
it's killing me every week.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
But af CJ.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Stroud on this offense just starts to remotely look like
that what they were a year ago.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Don't look very good. They don't. I mean the defense
and Washington, you know again, they they got the worst
of it with the refs yesterday at the end of
that game, for sure, so it probably should have been
a seven point wins. But you know, we talk about
the patterns of these teams. Washington has gotten into a
little bit of this pattern where they have like comfortable
leads and then they just sort of coast in yeah

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and barely get by sort of thing. I don't know.
You know, Jayden's been great. He's the rookie of the
year I think for sure. But again, the Packers are
probably a level above those two teams Washington Houston in
my opinion, but the Packers are at level below the
elite Minnesota though two year point Birdie bets They're the
team I do have trouble with. I can't really get

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behind it, but I hear what you're saying. They keep
winning and that's the name of the game. So like
at some point you are what you are. I mean,
I mean, change out the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
But it just feels like the same conversation we've had
for the past like three years about this team. Nobody
actually believes they're as good as what their record says
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Well, and they're probably not, but they're probably not. That
doesn't mean they stink, right, all right, We got a
few more to give.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
We get a few more Sunday four to twenty five
Eastern Niners at Dolphins.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Niners with the extra rest losing to the Rams on Thursday. Miami,
coming off the loss to Houston, uh niners with one
hundred and ninety one total yards against the Rams toua yesterday.
As we talked about, twenty nine to forty for one
to ninety six, one touchdown, three picks out gained Houston.
The Dolphins did two twenty four to one eight one

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one but minus three in turnovers. Oh no, they outgained Houston.
Pardon me, Miami outgained them two twenty four to one
eighty one, but the minus three in turnovers sunk them.
I'll say, Miami minus three. This is Dolphins.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
This has gotten steamed down one and a half two
and I think I will be forty nine ers in
a teaser.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
Forty nine ers and a teaser a teaser. But again
we talk about levels of teams. Do we really know
what the Dolphins are? No?

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
No, no, I don't know that I know what the
Niners are right now either.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
But I wasn't near Friday, but Devondre Campbell that whole thing,
like the Niners.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
Just came through suspended for the next three.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Games, suspended for three games, would have lost season from
injuries for them. This was this was still part of
their This was supposed to be their window and they
just what a horrible year? What was it? Miami is
what now? One and a half, one and a half,
two points favorites. What's next?

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
We have Sunday Night football Bucks at Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Bucks at Cowboys, Oh revenge game from the NFC Championship
in nineteen seventy nine. I think rememory serves. Tampa Bay
outgained the charges, as we mentioned, five oh five to
two oh seven. Mayfield twenty two for twenty seven for
two eighty eight, four touchdowns, one pick, Irving fifteen for one,
seventeen Evans nine for one to fifty nine and two touches.

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Cowboys in their win against the Panthers Doubtle twenty five
for one nine, and of course the requisite shot of
Jerry Jones up in the box just loving life. It's like, okay, Jerry,
still live. Tampa Bay minus four. They are gonna win
this division. Baby, you are all over it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
It is three and a half four everywhere. I will
be monitoring that one because I think the Bucks look
like a nice maybe money.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Line parlay side there. Monday Night football. Monday Night Football.
Back to one reminder, are two games tonight, YEP, saintsat Packers.
Packers thirteen. You just gave me the line, let me
guess thirteen. First time I've done that this year. My
actual guess was gonna be ten and a half. Okay, thirteen? Sure?

(01:24:55):
Interested in the Saints is another game though, Like I'm
not interested in the Saints out time of possession yesterday
forty minutes and fifty seconds to nineteen ten, as the
officials tried to give them a game yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Arnel Darnell needs a Kelly fail sounder on standbyer